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From What?

From the good conversation around the last post, I think many of you are way ahead of me. But let’s stay with the question, “Saved from what?”

Let’s think together about what we hear when, “The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation…” says “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.” (Revelation 3:20)

The classical joke sets up a question, surprise, and a smile.

So what question, surprise, and smile come into view with a retelling of the original? Can we hear anyone inside saying, “From what? Go away…  Leave us alone… We don’t need any.”? (Revelation 3:14-21) Can we imagine a room full of people who have everything but a hope, a trust, and a “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”— to die for?


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268 Responses to “From What?”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Déjà vu, just finished plowing about 3 ½ inches of very wet snow. Looks like it’s going to be a messy day.

    Am moving into the busy part of my normal morning, but wanted to share a little story about our continued subject.

    Nearly 40 years ago my church ask me if I would take over the youth group as the woman that was their leader was having to leave. So I agreed, but also ask another lady in the congregation if she would like to help, she agreed.

    I started off by having the teenagers read together at our gathering the Bible from Genesis on.

    It didn’t take long for my assistant to start complaining through her son (one of the teenagers) that they were not learning of salvation by reading the OT.

    So when ask about it at a meeting I simply ask this group of about 20 what exactly they thought they were saved from?

    Not a single teen there knew what they were saved from. Salvation and the statement that “Jesus saves” was very familiar to them, but they had no idea from what.

    This is a good subject Mart, as for me and my kids it was for them starting over in kindergarten Christianity. I have learned that many adult Christians today are confused about the same question and have stoically answered it in their own understanding, without actually knowing the answer.

    We may have some fun here.

    25 with steady snow.


  2. jeff1 says:

    Thinking Jesus saves me from myself as I am often my worst enemy but I would never have seen this as a teenager as it has taken a life of struggling to get me to see that God has my best interests at heart.

    I cannot put an old head on young shoulders or teach an old one new tricks.

  3. poohpity says:

    Steve, I would so enjoy hearing how you would answer your own question of what are we saved from?

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Separation from God.


  5. jeff1 says:

    Until I find God I cannot be satisfied and why this quote from C.S. Lewis speaks volumes.

    If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can satisfy, also we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for another world.

  6. Beloved says:

    Thinking the only thing that separates me from God is sin. What to do with it? I think Jesus has the answer.

  7. street says:

    you know steve it is interesting that we live our lives here completely ignorant that we are separated from God. we come in contact with death through a pet at first. passover lamb would be a more difficult first encounter with death of a pet. where going to eat fluffY? then we encounter the death of a distant family member. peter james and john encountered death of a loved One. One, blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. 6 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.” rich people stumble a lot and it is difficult for them to receive the Kingdom. zacchaeus was very rich and very alone. he gladly received Jesus because he knew his wealth was worthless. i have to say that the day zacchaeus hear Jesus died would be a tough day for him, but the good news was coming. thinking zacchaeus is the best knock-knock joke. wait for it, the smile comes at the end. with great joy.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Just looked in for a moment as it is that time between dinner and Matt’s coming to take over the computer for the remainder of the evening.

    We ended up with about 6 inches of something like snow. It has the consistency of sugar or salt just grainy bits of ice, very heavy, very wet.

    I enjoyed everyone’s thoughts, but yours especially made me smile street. I would readily agree that we all live our lives here ignorant of a great many things.

    I will take up the subject again tomorrow morning after what is predicted to be a night of rain. Things here are going to get very wet.

    Blessing to all and to all a goodnight.


  9. poohpity says:

    The end of the joke in the last topic said,

    “Save me from what?”

    “From what I’m going to do to you if you don’t let me in.”

    Not many talk about the wrath of God especially on this side of the cross and resurrection. The wrath of God should be very scary for anyone even cause fear and dread but God laid that wrath on the back of His Son for us. There will still be God’s wrath, that is one very important reason why we share the Good News so we can be saved from it also as guide others to that salvation as well.

    If we believe in God we also have to believe in His wrath.

  10. poohpity says:

    If I also believe that God is just, which I do, then I know what it is exactly that I deserve and it sure isn’t mercy although God deemed grace instead of wrath at this time but we can see that will not always be so. Romans 1:5, 5:9; 1 Thess 1:10, 5:9

  11. poohpity says:

    Ooops that was not Romans 1:5 but Romans 2:5

  12. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I was raised on the wrath of God so yes I believe very much in it. Here in Northern Ireland many spoke of God’s wrath during the troubles.

    God has a right to be angry when people turn to evil but we still pray for them and live in hope that they turn away from it.

    Living during violence I seen how easy it is to get caught up in it as loved ones get killed or injured and people get angry and upset.

    Time helps calm and heal people and God is so patient not wanting any to perish but to be reconciled to Him.

  13. Beloved says:

    From What?

    “4. God’s wrath is his love in action against sin.
    This is counter-intuitive, but hear me out.

    God is love, and God does all things for his glory (1 John 4:8; Romans 11:36). He loves his glory above all (and that is a good thing!). Therefore, God rules the world in such a way that brings himself maximum glory. This means that God must act justly and judge sin (i.e. respond with wrath), otherwise God would not be God. God’s love for his glory motivates his wrath against sin. ”

    (5 truths about the wrath of God, desiring God. Org)

  14. Beloved says:

    I Thessalonians 5:9 is very important to understand.

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  17. Beloved says:


    17 For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.

  18. street says:

    poo i like Romans 1:5 better. what is the obedience that works, James speaks about? a work of faith, like abraham.

    what is the work we must do?

    28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” 30 So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, always give us this bread.”

    35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

  19. street says:

    poo thinking of what you said about wrath and the cross. i think it was sin Jesus accepted on the cross like the crown of thorns, and the curse. the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. His life was not taken from Him, He layed it down. usually you would put your hand on the lambs head and cut it’s throat and identify with the innocent dieing for the guilty. yes the innocent did die that day for the guilty and we remember because God has drawn us to the Son, Who has been raised from the dead and exalted to the Right Hand of God. we patiently wait and serve in a separated world, but not separated from a Kingdom and The KING. we know He is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords.

    paul speaks about receiving the Spirit in Galatians. he goes on to say we are to live in the Spirit. the old man died with Christ on the cross. we are raised up with Christ too. new life. can’t say much for the old habits of the flesh but a new life of faith hope and love are quite unique in a dark world. we are told we are more than victors, children of God! i am acutely aware of the body beautiful decaying around me, i want to be more acutely aware of the steadfast love of Christ and a Spirit that is greater then he that is in the world. that comes from a Holy Spirit, by faith, it does not come any other way. thinking of the Grace of God.

    bless are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

    thinking of the time the people asking samuel for a king. samuel was upset. God reminded him it was not him they were rejecting, but God. we may think from time to time, will we ever get it right? Jesus did, and that changes everything. all things new. our Shepherd waits too. His mercy is new every mourning. Matthew 11:28

  20. street says:

    11 Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you; 12 and may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you; 13 so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

  21. street says:

    But let’s stay with the question, “Saved from what?”

    the poverty of self.

  22. foreverblessed says:

    The obedience of faith! Romans 1:5

    Wow, there you have it, all in one verse.
    Gone is the argument: faith or works!

    I guess with all the controversies within the church about bible interpretations, they will all be resolved. Saved from what: What the sense of Unity among believers: saved from all the arguments among christians.

    Saved from what:
    I was going to say:from myself,
    But Street had a better wording:
    saved from the poverty of self.

    How poor our self life is.
    poor pitiful self-life

    Jesus says: He that loses his life will find it.

    Losing ones life?

    When we get the vision that it was not a great life anyway, when we search for because of a yearning of the heart, a hunger for being filled, and then we find that only Jesus’life can fill it, a spiritual filling, and the new self that arises “out of the ashes” is a wonderful life

    the life of Jesus

    Whom have I in heaven but You?
    And being with You, I desire nothing on earth.
    Psalm 73:25

  23. foreverblessed says:

    last night I gave a biblestudy on the Holy Days of the bible, the days of Leviticus 23. Someone had asked about it, he didn’t know anything about them, and thought it would be nice to have two evenings and someone could talk about them.
    He had asked it a long time ago, and last christmas there came sort of great peace over me: Let’s do it. As if the Holy Spirit was saying: I am with you, go ahead.

    I really looked forward to the evenings, my husband said: Just information, no sermons.
    But I had to say the words of Paul:

    Col 2:16-17
    These are a shadow of the things that were to come,
    the reality however is found in Christ.

    The reality is found in Christ,
    everything we need to live is found through faith in Christ,
    having unrest in our soul: He gives rest
    having mourning in our soul: He gives comfort
    anything that has gone wrong, Jesus when giving to Jesus, He takes it on the Cross and makes something new out of it.

    Keeping of days or eating certain foods,
    …they lack any value in restraining the sensual indulgence…
    Col 2:22

    In one of the Feasts: the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the spring festival, the yeast has to be taken out of the house, This is a thing the Jews still do, the christians not.
    But we have to do that in the spiritual sense:
    Throw out the sin:
    Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature…

    there is an action required that we have to do. Our salvation is not depended on it, but the building of our spiritual house depends on it.
    The battlefield of the mind.
    We have to grab thoughts of dissentian, before we dwell too long on them, immediately change them into a positive thought:
    God, bless this person.

    Why was I writing about this?
    Someone was exclaiming at the end of the evening, when
    John 7:37 was being read:
    Ohh, that verse must be put before the calvinistic people!!!
    Those who believe in the predestination, that only the few are chosen
    What a wonderful verse!

  24. foreverblessed says:

    John 7:37-38
    37 On the Last and Greatest Day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

  25. foreverblessed says:

    When I tell about the Festivals of the bible,
    the first one is the Passover, the killing of the lamb,
    We know what it meant: Jesus on the Cross, taking up the sins of the world.

    But the last one of the Festivals:
    That is the last Day the greatest day of the Feast, as John calls it:
    The Feast of tabernacles is 7 days, leviticus 23:33-34

    Seven is the number of God, the number of fulness.
    So you would think that would suffice.

    But….. the Last and Greatest day, is not one of them:
    Lev 23:36
    For seven days present offerings made to the Lord by fire, and on the Eighth Day hold a sacred assembly and present an offering made to the Lord by fire.

    When Jesus stood up in Jerusalem,
    and cried with a loud voice:
    If a man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

    He did it purposely and That particular day:
    The last day of all the feasts of the Lord.

    I put these days of the fall Festivals together with Revelation 20:
    What events are there still to happen, that could happen on one of the Festivals, just as Jesus died on Pesach, and the Holy Spirit was sent on the Dahy of Pentecost?
    The Coming of Jesus at the last Trump, ( that might be on the day of trumpets lev 23:23-25)
    the binding of Satan for thousand years, the conversion of the jews of Zechariah 12:10-11,
    that day might be on the Day of Atonement,(Lev 23:26-32)
    and then the 1000 year reign could be typified by te feast of tabernacles.

    So I was saying, there in Revelation 20:7-14
    there are some more events; After the thousand years are ended, everybody is risen to life.

    And here comes in the Voice of Jesus, standing up and shouting with a loud voice, as if He had to reach in the very far future:
    All who are thhirsty, let them come to Me.

    When I was telling about that, someone said:
    Well that is a great antidote: We think of the last judgment, and what does Jesus say: Come to Me
    What a grace!

    Anyway, these are the things that happened to me last night, and I thought just to share them with you.

    I still am praying for the Unity of the christians,
    “…that all of them may be OneFather, jusgt as You are in Me, and Iam in You. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that You sent Me”

    We as christians should be prove for the world, that God has sent Jesus.
    Oh, Lord forgive us, for all the disunity, for all the judging of another persons faith! For all the arguing about bible interpretations, for our own interpretations standing as concrete, and missing the deeper spiritual meaning.
    Make us One!

    That we be a witness to the world

  26. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    February 21, 2019 at 5:10 am

    there is an action required that we have to do. Our salvation is not depended on it, but the building of our spiritual house depends on it.
    The battlefield of the mind.
    We have to grab thoughts of dissentian, before we dwell too long on them, immediately change them into a positive thought:
    God, bless this person.

    As someone who does not know what it is like NOT to have a battle with the mind I find C. S. Lewis quotes truly inspiring and uplifting because if ever a man has a mind for God then this man has, God’s gift to Him and what a gift, what a mind, yet a humble man with a love of God.

    Awesome quotes from Him that speak of God’s glory.

    “[God] will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of heaven as a shortcut to the nearest chemist’s shop.”

    “God has not been trying an experiment on my faith or love in order to find out their quality. He knew it already. It was I who didn’t. In this trial He makes us occupy the dock, the witness box, and the bench all at once. He always knew that my temple was a house of cards. His only way of making me realize the fact was to knock it down.”

    “[To have Faith in Christ] means, of course, trying to do all that He says. There would be no sense in saying you trusted a person if you would not take his advice. Thus if you have really handed yourself over to Him, it must follow that you are trying to obey Him. But trying in a new way, a less worried way. Not doing these things in order to be saved, but because He has begun to save you already. Not hoping to get to Heaven as a reward for your actions, but inevitably wanting to act in a certain way because a first faint gleam of Heaven is already inside you.”

    “I think He made one law of that kind in order that there might be obedience. In all these other matters what you call obeying Him is but doing what seems good in your own eyes also. Is love content with that?”

    “To enter heaven is to become more human than you ever succeeded in being on earth; to enter hell, is to be banished from humanity.”

    “We want not so much a Father but a grandfather in heaven, a God who said of anything we happened to like doing, ‘What does it matter so long as they are contented?”

    Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are, if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ.

    A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell.

  27. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Jeff,
    that were awesome thought provoking writings,
    let me recall one of them:
    “God has not been trying an experiment on my faith or love in order to find out their quality. He knew it already. It was I who didn’t.”

    He seems to say, that God does not test us, so that HE would know about us, but so that WE would know…

    That reminds me of Jesus questioning Peter, not that Jesus did not know how much Peter loved Him, but with each question Peter had to search deeper and deeper, and the deeper he looked, the more he was convince how much he loved Jesus.

    The words of God are sharp and penetrating,

    hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

    In the case of Peter, the dividing brought about the realization of how much Peter LOVED the Lord.

    So that was awesome positive!

  28. jeff1 says:

    Prince of Heaven

    His star shines above us
    To lead toward the Saviour
    A baby born in Bethlehem
    Our Emmanuel

    The Son in a manger
    Shall heal the blind and broken
    His love shall warm the coldest soul
    As the snow is melted by the dawn

    ‘Neath the stars choirs of angels raise their heavenly voices
    Glory to God and peace upon the earth

    For all who believe Him
    Shall gain life everlasting
    His kingdom endures eternal
    Christ forever will reign

    Glory to God, Glory to God
    And peace upon the earth
    And peace upon the earth

  29. poohpity says:

    Wow great conversation!

    forever, all the festivals seemed to point people to the provision, protection, salvation and presence of God with His people. It would be nice if we got to celebrate nationally that many festivals in a year so that we could remember all that the Lord has done for us but now we get to celebrate every single day, individually and then when we meet together corporately at church every week or a couple times a week however many times one goes to church or bible study. So in other words we get to celebrate ALL the time and if that includes food and drink all the better. :-)

    Viv, I so enjoyed the comparisons and contrasts of C.S. Lewis they really give me something to think about. We have so much available to us to challenge they way we have always thought about things to broaden our horizons.

  30. poohpity says:

    Forever, yes Jesus knew before hand that Peter would deny Him three times.

    Peter said to Him, “Even if all fall away on account of You, I never will.” 34“Truly I tell you,” Jesus declared, “this very night before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” 35Peter replied, “Even if I have to die with You, I will never deny You.” And all the other disciples said the same thing.…

    But they all scattered. I think it is when we come to realize that even though we want to do things the right way understanding our human inclinations we sure do understand grace way better and better.

    “Then Peter remembered the word that Jesus had spoken: “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” And he went outside and wept bitterly.”

    But Jesus restored Peter as He does all of us when we fail so miserably but it takes understanding that we will fail miserably, all of us will at some point or other. That is when one can come to point of understanding that each of us has our own failings so why look at those of others.

  31. SFDBWV says:

    The hand door knocker Mart has used before, it is too creepy for me.

    Last night I was somewhat excited about discussing this new subject, but then this morning my spirit was quenched. I really don’t know why. I started to write earlier, but it soon become a manuscript with too much information being crunched to a point of just not coming out right so I deleted and went off to other things.

    In the next several days I may get some of the things said I wanted to, but I will only be brief this morning.

    Every negative consequence of man’s existence is a result of being separated from God.

    Jesus restored our relationship with God through Him, it was made possible through His sacrifice.

    Jesus saves us by restoring that relationship.

    The short list of what we are saved from as of the result of being separated from God is, judgement.

    Judgement brings eternal separation.

    Some 30 plus years ago a friend and I wanted to be more evangelistic in our Christianity, we both were in a position to see lots of people, she more than I, but people were drawn to us and aside from sharing our faith with them we wanted to do a little more.

    So I got us a bunch of small tracts from Billy Graham Ministries. They cost only pennies apiece so it wasn’t a big expense and each tract spoke of different subjects, death, infidelity, remorse, suicide and on and on.

    I liked Billy Graham’s little tracts because after speaking to a specific problem they always ended with a prayer of salvation for the reader.

    Each prayer showed a little picture of God standing apart from man with a deep huge gulf in-between. The cross of Jesus becoming a bridge that spanned the gulf and made it possible for man to reach God.

    No man comes to God except by way of Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    We are saved from separation from God. That separation is what brings all of the ills of mankind both now and into eternity.

    39 degrees after a night of drizzle and clear blue sky this morning that soon became overcast with cloud cover….Kind of like how I feel.


  32. poohpity says:

    We all deserve the wrath of God but instead He has shown us forgiveness, compassion, mercy and grace.

    It was the religious people who thought they were righteous and did not deserve the wrath of God because they looked so good to the outside world when inside they were filled with every sort of evil. It was those who asked, “Save us from what?” or “we do not need any saving”.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Yesterday was just a very messy day, with snow, sleet and freezing rain. Also we had a commitment (burial) in the cemetery.

    I have known her for over 40 years. She buried a son (Steve) from an auto accident long ago and when she purchased her cemetery lots.
    We buried her husband about 25 years ago. She has two grandchildren buried there one a suicide the other an infant, and now her.

    They found her dead in her house Friday. There was no funeral, no grave side service and the only vehicles at the cemetery yesterday were the grave diggers, vault truck, hearse and one car. She has several children and multiple grandchildren.
    He son was for a time married to my niece, they produced two children together a boy and a girl both full grown adults now in their 40’s.

    I don’t know if that is why I am in something of a “funk” or not. Usually I find out later why my spirit is troubled.

    Usually when I feel like this there is something on the horizon that God is preparing me for and so with prayer and meditation I will be empowered and ready. At least that is my hope that I am prepared and ready for whatever comes.

    Want to also mention the importance of intercessory prayer, I would not be where I am today were it not for a mother who prayed for me.

    See you all tomorrow morning, God willing.


  34. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, what I like about Lewis is that he was an atheist after he fell away from his faith and yet he returned to it and discovered God in such a compelling way.

    That says there is hope for the most reluctant convert as when God goes to work He is thorough as Lewis is an example of God having His Way. (Paul too comes to mind)

    Steve, I hadn’t noticed the picture until you mentioned it and I am completely in agreement, something from a horror movie comes to mind. No offence Mart.

    As you say Steve, we are saved from separation from God. That separation is what brings all of the ills of mankind both now and into eternity.

    God puts to right that which is wrong and I only have to look at the world today to be thankful for His goodness and mercy.

    As C. S. Lewis’s quote says a man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell and so we are conquerors in trusting God’s glory over mankind.

    Faith is a gift as when i think of how often I have wandered or doubted God but returned to my faith I realise how fragile my faith is when struggling with life.

  35. poohpity says:

    I have two friends in my bible study that served with Campus Crusade For Christ and they had those little pamphlets in the 70’s that talked about the separation of God from us because of sin too. I asked them when Adam and Eve sinned did God separate Himself from them or did they hide from God? When Jesus came didn’t he come in the midst of sinners walking, talking, eating and spending all His time with them? Wasn’t that who He came for? It was not for those who thought they were righteous(saved from what?) but those who knew they were not and knew they had a need.

  36. jeff1 says:

    God holds the answers to difficult questions and therefor God can show mercy on whom He chooses to and I for one am very thankful that it is His decision to do so.

    I do not know people or this world well enough to think I know any better. People can change as we see in the life of C. S. Lewis and the Bible tells us also of how God has worked in the lives of others.

    I know in my own life I have not found faith easy and seem to be more often on the run from God then running to Him and that is because I have believed in a God of Wrath more than a God of Love.

    I seen too much of the dark side of life as hatred and violence was very much part of my youth and long into adulthood.

    The mind is where the battle is lost or won and I believe God loves me more than I can get my head around because I have not seen much of love in this life.

    I long for the peace that surpasses understanding and why Christ is my refuge and I would hope and pray that those who do not see that He is there’s will soon come to the same understanding and find peace in a somewhat turmoil world.

    Just a Closer Walk With Thee

    I am weak but Thou art strong
    Jesus keep me from all wrong
    I’ll be satisfied as long
    As I walk, let me walk close to Thee

    Just a closer walk with Thee
    Grant it, Jesus, is my plea
    Daily walking close to Thee
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be

    When my feeble life is o’er
    Time for me will be no more
    Guide me gently, safely o’er
    To Thy kingdom’s shore, to Thy shore

    Just a closer walk with Thee
    Grant it, Jesus, is my plea
    Daily walking close to Thee
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be

  37. Beloved says:

    I asked them when Adam and
    Eve sinned did God separate Himself from them or did they hide from God?

    Galatians 1:9, NLT: “I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.”

  38. Beloved says:

    Saved from what?

    22 Then the Lord God said,“Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand rand take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

    Sin separated us from God in the garden, our beginnings. Jesus brought reconciliation between God/man through His perfect blood offering. Sin/ separation were no more.

  39. Beloved says:

    Was the tree of life the cross? Just thinking.

  40. Beloved says:

    Hiding from God is not part of the Gospel. It is a common trait of us all in our fallen humanity.

  41. poohpity says:

    What does Genesis 3:8 say? It is something all together different about not being able to eat from the tree of life and remain in their sinful state for eternity. Genesis 3:22 NLT

    Hiding from God is not part of the Gospel it is the very reason for it!

  42. foreverblessed says:

    The tendency to argue
    Kill it!

    Try to look for the common ground….

  43. foreverblessed says:

    Thinking about the inmates!
    God be with you, Chris

    Steve, the intercessory prayer! Yes, I am still figuring out who prayed for me. It could be my great grandmother, who lived in the same house where I was raised, or rather, the other way round, I lived in the house where she lived. She was a lovely lady, and a very great believer, according to our neighbour, who knew her.

    Later in heaven we will see all those who have prayed for us, and we will see the ones we have prayed for.
    Sometimes I think: maybe the 10, 5 cities, or 1 city, in the parable of the talents, is the amount of people we have prayed for.
    Could that be so?
    Lots of inmates for Chris….
    just some fun…
    saved inmates, made new in Christ.

  44. poohpity says:

    forever, “So how in the world are we going to find our way forward? What in heaven’s name are we going to talk about, do together—to make best out of what we’ve been given?” By the way I never read about cities 10, 5 or 1 but that that was referring to the talents we have been given and whether we use them to further the Kingdom or hide them away.

    Oh the weather, lol, I forgot. “Just say’n… so to speak… :-)….”

    It is 47 degrees F and raining since this morning with a forecast of more rain and a low of 42.

  45. poohpity says:

    I guess on here it may be better and wiser to hide talents rather than use them. ;-)

  46. poohpity says:

    Oh by the way Steve was right sin does separate us from God but it is not God who does the separating it is us who walks away from God because of sin. Most often people say God does not want anything to do with them because they have done so many things wrong. It isn’t until they are told that was the very reason and purpose that Jesus came so we would no longer hide from God but come near to Him as He has come near to us. Acts 2:39; Eph 2:13,14,17

  47. poohpity says:

    God can and is both loving and wrathful. What parent does not discipline their children because of their love? If they are let to get by with things they turn into tantrum throwing, self centered and having no concern for anyone else but themselves.

  48. bubbles says:

    When Jesus was on the cross it was the Father who turned His back on His Son. So could it be said that sin separates us from God; we are born with sin, so we are “far off” from God. Please know the following question is not asked to be hateful or to disagree: does it matter who separates from whom? Sin is the separating factor, so does it matter? Maybe it does matter and I’m too shallow to understand why.

    God cannot stand to look upon sin and when we stand in His presence, He will see the blood of Jesus instead of our sin. Thank God for this! Yes, I agree, God can be both loving and wrathful. I’m thankful for His mercy every day!! I don’t deserve it, and it humbles me and makes me love Him more.

  49. jeff1 says:

    Unfortunately these days there is a lot of parents who do not discipline their children as it is seen as outdated.

    In schools here many children’s behaviour is out of control as parents believe in giving them what they want rather than what they need and the job of teaching has become hazardous.

    I see in schools in England it is so bad that they are offering bursaries of £24,000 to anyone who goes into teaching so human nature without discipline is ugly be it children or adult.

    When I went to school the teachers could be brutal so I can see why they had to ban physical punishment but detention and extra work isn’t deterring bullying or fighting in schools and so the problem remains.

  50. bubbles says:

    And in some cases the parents blame teachers for everything when it shout be the students being taught responsibility.

  51. Beloved says:

    Pooh and bubbles this is what I was thinking of. Didn’t mean to offend anyone, just thinking about the topic.

    Isaiah59 1 Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. 2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

  52. street says:

    our sins are remove by trusting Him

  53. Beloved says:

    It’s all about Gods sovereignty. Sovereign over life, death, and everything inbetween. Thankful He decided to save us!

  54. SFDBWV says:

    OK, I see we can in detail pick the nits off of what we are saved from as we can categorize it almost endlessly.

    Here is something in the news recently that we can look at and see what we are saved from even if we choose not to accept it.

    Two women, one from England and the other from the USA both want to return to their homelands after earlier leaving them in order to join ISIS.

    Both England and the USA has said no.

    What do you think? Should these young women with their children be forgiven and allowed to return to their original homelands or should they be resolved to stay in the bed they made for themselves?

    What would you call being saved from a heart of un-forgiveness? Is that something we are saved from as well?


  55. foreverblessed says:

    That’s a good question Steve!
    Here is my take:
    These women should be taken back, with their children, and kept in special custody. They should be monitored.
    The children can be taken to special foster homes. And the women incarcerated.

    In our country a special program is already prepared. They more or less know about whom it is concerned. There are already families chosen where the children can be placed, and they will get help.So that is family of these children. If the child is not functioning well, they have a special child care for extremists children. The women will go into prison, but not a normal one, if they do agree, they get into a de-extremising programm.

    The wrath of God is not just to punish, but always with the intent that the person comes to repentance.
    Restorative action.

    I read a bible study on God’s vengeance, it is on a website called the: characterofgod
    that goes with a dot and a com.
    It is a very good article:
    If a person does not want to listen to God, then God chooses to withdraw, and the person is left to himself. And as this is not a neutral world, but full of evil spirits, with a head over them, then you can imagine what happens.

    THis preacher also told:
    Just like Bubbles said: When all the sins of mankind were laid on Jesus, God withdrew Himself.
    He cannot stand close with sin.
    I thought it a very good thought, Bubbles, Who withdraws from who?
    God withdrew from Jesus, when He was hanging on the Cross withb our sins laid upon Him!
    Oh, what tragedy for Jesus, He was on His own, for the first time ever seperated from His Father, They, who were always ONE.
    What a terrible moment.

    ANd now….
    when GOd was afar, then Jesus was left to the fury of the evil world. They were the ones that killed Him, although Jesus said, that He was the One who chose to be treated like such. It was not against His Will.

    So the wrath of God is this,
    God withdraws
    and leaves the person with the consequneces of his own choices.

    Always with the intent that the person will come to his senses, and return to the Father, the Creator, the Alpha and the Omega.

    (says the preacher from that website the characterofgod)

    In the case of Jesus:
    He overcame death itself.
    It is hard for me to imagine how this all was, to me it is a sort of a mystery.
    Mart had a topic about this last year: Was the devil tricked, by taking Jesus as a ransom for our lives, not knowing that Jesus could not stay dead.
    Jesus was a ransom. He payed the price in our place.

    So we can also say: We are saved from death! Death as spirtual death, a life apart form God, and so it is as Steve said: saved from seperation from God.

  56. poohpity says:

    Can’t they both be forgiven yet still suffer the consequences of their terrorist activities? They made a choice to turn aside from the countries that at one time had offered them citizenship before they joined ISIS. If I remember right the one from here was not born here but was under some kind of diplomatic waver.

    Wasn’t Jesus fully man and fully God so then at the Cross to take the punishment for our sins didn’t the fully God part have to leave from the fully man part for the full weight of our sins to be carried?

    When you hurt or do something to someone do you like to go around them or do you try to avoid them at all cost?

  57. poohpity says:

    If God did not want to be around sinners then why did He pursue them even to the point of laying down His deity to take on human form to give His life for ours since blood had to be shed to atone for sins. One would think that if God did not want to be around sinners then why did Jesus spend so much time with them?

    Jesus separated Himself from those who claimed to speak for God like the Pharisees and Sadducees while rebuking them for elevating themselves above others and doing nothing to help them and not pointing them to honor God.

    It is important regarding who did the separating! Everything about God is important well it is to those who want a closer relationship with Him.

  58. poohpity says:

    I do not have to imagine as Mart said I can see, “Can we imagine a room full of people who have everything but a hope, a trust, and a “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”— to die for?”

  59. SFDBWV says:

    For some reason the Book of Ruth comes to mind when thinking of these two women attempting to be repatriated.
    Also the adulteress and the woman at the well.

    Is Jesus offering us to be saved from a stony heart?


  60. poohpity says:

    I wonder if trying to learn about God to see things His way and not our own thinking and understanding is worth the effort?

    I see absolutely no correlation between any of the woman you listed above Steve and the women who joined the terrorist group ISIS. None at all except they are women.

  61. Beloved says:

    I think on a national level the governments do what governments do. However, as with the women you mentioned Steve it’s about being reconciled to God, not a country. Being Muslim they need our prayers and perhaps God will reconcile them to Himself. Oh Jesus, open their eyes to see You and their need for a Kinsman Redeemer, just as Ruth found.

  62. Beloved says:

    Father please send Christians into their circumstances that will show them the “heart of flesh” God has for them also. Amen

  63. SFDBWV says:

    Ha, ha, ha pooh I would have been the most shocked of all people here to ever even image that you could see through my eyes or heart or that you could relate to anything I say without some form of a negative comment.

    It’s ok pooh you be who you are, because I will still be who I am and I am sure God will still love us both.

    Foreverblessed, I intended to mention that I did enjoy your comments concerning the feasts. I understand that they all have a place in their initial use as well as in the identification of Messiah and an eternal significance.

    It appears you put a lot of effort in posting all of that, thank you.

    To the full complement of readers; in the same Book where we find the “fruit” of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23 KJV) we also find the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21 KJV).

    According to Galatians 5:17 KJV the works of the flesh and the works of the Spirit are contrary to one another.

    Jesus also offers us to be led by the Holy Spirit instead of our own.

    Everything Jesus offers us to be saved from begins with inviting Him in.

    The evidence of whether He is in us or not is shown by the “fruit” of the Holy Spirit. We showcase Jesus in us by demonstrating His fruit in our actions, words, and attitude.

    Once again, His offering/knocking at the door can save us from the contrast of the Fruit of the Spirit which is the works of the flesh.

    A scowl or a smile.


  64. street says:

    thinking this morning in a new light. remembering the story of hellan keller. she was blind deaf and could not speak. a woman by the name of anne sullivan came into her life. oh how hellan loved to hater her. her discipline and commitment to her where unrelenting, as gravity or an ocean tide. it took some time to break through the isolation imposed by a darkness of self. near complete black out of others through blindness deafness and inability to speak. i remember seeing a scene where hellen breaks out of the darkness of communication where she connect hand signals with objects. her journey of language commenced. yes discipline and judgment are very difficult. they are designed to teach us righteousness. it is only when we see past the pain and sorrow by faith we see the love and faithfulness of our God willing to die for us, in order to be conformed to His Image. The God Who is Love. being self centered is not the way forward. it is certain death. the way forward is in Christ, the way the truth the life. foreign words in the darkness. Jesus says,”come to me……

  65. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    February 22, 2019 at 7:35 am

    For some reason the Book of Ruth comes to mind when thinking of these two women attempting to be repatriated.
    Also the adulteress and the woman at the well.

    Is Jesus offering us to be saved from a stony heart?

    I had a heart of stone for my enemies until I recognised my hatred against them was offending God and not my enemies.

    It is not until I seen my sin as against God and not against my enemies did I feel convicted of sin.

    To my enemies I am just a number but as far as they are concerned it is not personal but of course it seems very personal to me but to them I am just another Brit to kill.

    I think these woman need to show they have a change of heart and need to be monitored by the authorities when let back in the country as the USA and England have a responsibility to their citizens in keeping them safe and if they feel these woman could jeopardise that safety then they are right to stick to their decision.

    I would agree with C. S. Lewis that if I want to follow Jesus then I have to see my need to change but that does not mean turning a blind eye to another’s need to change.

    I am not doing myself or the other person any favours if I ignore that.

    History tells us that these problems have been around longer than most of us and so there are no easy solutions to these difficulties and Governments have tough decisions to make in trying to protect everyone and I am sure do their best to get it right.

    I believe God is always at work even when I don’t see Him especially in the world around me.

    To my way of thinking that is what faith is trusting God even in the darkness.

  66. Beloved says:

    Street I’ve also been impressed by Anne’s perseverance and patience with Helen. I read that Anne was once a mental patient, locked alone in a dark dungeon when someone started visiting her and read the Bible to her day after day. Thinking how many of us were and some still are locked away, waiting for someone or SOMEONE. Who’s There? It’s Good News He brings, always!

  67. Beloved says:

    Saved from what?

    Galatians 5:19–21
    19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery,fornication, uncleanness,lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, avariance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Though we are saved from sin we do still sin, commit these awful things yet we have the Spirit of God who tells us, reminds us they are works of flesh and must change. It’s a battle but we will win because Christ is willing to help us overcome! Oh blessed be His Name!

  68. Beloved says:

    I noticed in the picture an amazing thing, that the hand touching the door knob comes from the other side. Could it be that God Himself opens the door for us to enter into His presence? The work of the Spirit is so mysterious to me.

  69. street says:

    I would agree with C. S. Lewis that if I want to follow Jesus then I have to see my need to change but that does not mean turning a blind eye to another’s need to change.

    the need to change. many think they need to change to our/their way of thinking. change of heart change of mind comes to mind, born again. i hear to repent means to change your mind. i hear God never changes. what on earth are we missing?

    thinking about the israelis at the foot of the mountain begging not to hear anymore lest they die. God in His mercy stopped speaking to them and they died in the wilderness. God spoke through Moses and began the long process of redeeming a nation among nations in order that all the nations be blessed. Moses warned us of the One to come and that we must listen to Him. the Anointed One Who would remove our sin in a single day. given a Spirit so we would not be orphans. learning to trust and to love, a way forward. love finds away. was it us or God, that leads the way? moses, the friend of God, knows the difference.

  70. street says:

    21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”

  71. street says:

    Perseverance is more than endurance. It is endurance combined with absolute assurance and certainty that what we are looking for is going to happen. Oswald Chambers


  72. street says:

    The classical joke sets up a question, surprise, and a smile.

    we hear the knock ! what is the surprise?

  73. street says:

    Street I’ve also been impressed by Anne’s perseverance and patience with Helen. I read that Anne was once a mental patient, locked alone in a dark dungeon when someone started visiting her and read the Bible to her day after day.

    who better to reach out to helen then anne?

    anne loved her enough in her freedom to come into bondage in order to free another. “When He ascended on high,
    He led captive a host of captives,
    And He gave gifts to men.”

    what gifts did He give us to give to others?

  74. SFDBWV says:

    I agree Joyce, we are not saved “from” sin, but forgiven of it. We also aren’t saved from death, except for that one generation that is taken up with the dead in Christ.

    We aren’t saved from evil or calamity or from hard work, or disappointment or attacks from the devil and his legions.

    Nor are we saved from sickness and disease, or heartache and tears.

    No Jesus doesn’t stop such things from occurring in the lives of His believers, but He does offer us a supernatural ability to endure them and even survive them in some cases.

    The two girls I mentioned are not a whole lot different than the story of the prodigal son.

    One of the major obstacles given in the “Lord’s Prayer” is that codicil that says we are to forgive as we ask to be forgiven.

    The foreign woman Ruth and her mother-in-law Naomi were not only taken back into Naomi’s family, Israel, but the world blessed for it.

    Look for a moment at how the hard hearted believers in Islam would see the stark difference between their law and Jesus’ of an open door of forgiveness and love rather than one of cold judgement.

    England and the USA had or has an opportunity to show mercy and not stubborn judgement. To show Christ instead of a political world.

    These are the things Jesus offers for His coming in and eating with us, mercy and forgiveness. Eating with us as in the communion.

    We are saved from missing out on so very much it is far beyond judgement to a place of self-inflicted punishment.


  75. street says:

    Jesus came for sinner. if you had no sin I would not have come. now that I have come you have no excuse. repent and believe I AM HE.

    sin is crazy, Love is Crazier. if you Love Me you would keep my commands. what are the works we must do? to believe in the One Who was sent as opposed to believe in self or another. there is only One God. we believed a lie and were acquainted, understatement, with sin and death, believe the truth, Jesus, and know faith and life. a life saved from the poverty of self. steve loved your posts

  76. jeff1 says:

    History just keeps repeating itself so there is not much sight of man forgiving man and so we are all in need of God’s forgiveness whether we see it that way or not.

    God knew men better than men knew God and why Jesus came so we have the truth but we live with the consequences of man’s inability to see or accept that it is God who knows best.

  77. street says:

    dear jeff i am tracking with you on this one. two women who want to return? forgiveness? they of all people know the other side and their short comings. now they are going under the rules and guidance of the other-side. the place they started from? the place that sent them to a pig farm? the Father received the Son back and accepted the public shame of it all. when we receive one back from sin are we worse off like the older brother? do we enact rules to protect ourselves, they must live by, to be accepted by us? i think i am more like the older brother who missed the boat on the Fathers love. yes it hurts when i am betrayed a second time after receiving one back. i think i have used the 70 times 7 rule more than most. sooner or later you will have to stop or reject all together. the Father waited for the son to come back, He was not disappointed. propitiation comes to mind. very difficult word in english. i think of it this way, it’s the opposite of wrath. Christ our propitiation. He’s dangerous, but He’s Good!

    thinking like a dad with the older son, just shaking his head. Dad’s in control and there is no plan that He can not carry out. amazingly wonderful. the story continues to it’s conclusion. He told us the end from the beginning.

  78. Beloved says:

    I know missionaries in a Muslim country that teach English and also give Korans to students because, believe it or not, most haven’t even read it! When the do they have a chance to really think about what they have placed their faith in. It’s the same with the Bible as every generation has to be re-introduced to God. But I think a major difference is the work of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is alive and Still knocking on hard heads to offer the most wonderful news of all time! No death but life with goodness love joy and peace now and forevermore! Hallelujah! What a Saviour!

  79. street says:

    History just keeps repeating itself …

    a love worth repeating?

    need to count the cost.

  80. jeff1 says:

    “[God] will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of heaven as a shortcut to the nearest chemist’s shop.”

    Lewis is so spot on here as man always thinks he can do God’s job better than God can but the world says differently as God is thorough in all that He does while man compromises.

    The Bible isn’t wrong as all goes their own way in seeking God which shows how we compromise on standards so that we bring God to our level rather than climbing the stairway we have to climb.

    Oh, how well God knows our humaness, how well he knows every pit fall we crawl into rather than coming to Him, how dare we speak of giving God the Glory, such utter nonsense to believe I give God anything or anything worthy of Him.

    How I blind and fool myself that I am worthy of God when it is He who carries me all the way home.

    He Will Carry You

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you
    He said, “Come unto Me all who are weary, and I will give you rest”

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you

    I know my brother and I know my sister
    That He, He’s going to carry you
    Oh yes, He will
    He’s going to carry you

  81. SFDBWV says:

    I see our friend Mtman is being buried in some serious snow out there in SW Colorado. Prayers for him and Carol as they deal with their weather.

    It’s funny as I look at that door knocker I can imagine one of two things, either a joke occurring when someone went to use it the hand reaching up and grabbing the would be knockers hand, or as a nightmare as the hand came alive and grabbed your hand.

    Either way it is still creepy.

    Was thinking this morning about something that has disappeared from life as we once knew it, the door to door salesman.

    He has been replaced by infomercials and the internet ad.

    Still Jesus mentions knocking at the door there in Revelation, as even in such a modern world as ours we all still have a door. To our houses and to our hearts.

    All of us who profess to be followers of Jesus have figuratively already opened the door and had supper with Him. We have already answered His call and have become “friends”.

    Paul Hogan made a lesser known movie after his success from “Crocodile Dundee”, called “Almost an Angel”. It is a cute little movie about a, would be, criminal becoming, a would, be angel and helping out a Christian community shelter and the people along, including himself.

    When he came to learning what Jesus offers he said in his own way, “You Christians sure know how to keep a secret.”

    I think maybe the secret is knowing how to share what we know without offence to the listener. Perhaps not a secret at all but maybe a gift.

    Saved from what? Well for one thing missing out on the upcoming wedding party.

    33 degrees f and cloudy.


  82. poohpity says:

    Being saved we look at life from a whole different vantage point, that of God’s. So when we see the struggles and hardships that we often face in life we know that they can be used for good they are no longer meaningless but have purpose.

    We see Ruth as an ancestor of David then of Jesus, the Father of the prodigal as our God who welcomes us back with open arms after we have made the choice to go our own way, the adulteress being forgiven so much helps us to be able to love even greater, forgive quicker and show grace even to those who do not deserve it, the woman at the well that God knows everything about us and even though we may be rejected by our peers that God can and does still want us to take His message into the world.

    We are saved from our stinking thinking and are learning to see our world and His creation from eyes of wonder, majesty, beauty, imagination and love. He transforms our minds so that we may look at others differently, look at our circumstance by being grateful that something worse did not happen and even if they are bad that He is right there beside us to help us overcome with grace and mercy and love rather than bitterness, resentment and rage.

    I guess everything is seen either from our own perspective or if we take the time to learn from God then we see things from His, after we have come to believe in Him and seek His ways and will. We put spiritual glasses on so to speak.

  83. poohpity says:

    Saying “You Christians sure know how to keep a secret.” is a dig at Christian’s keeping something secret when they should be sharing with the whole world not only in words but in deeds. Sometimes others would have no idea someone is a Christian because nothing they say or do even faintly resembles someone who believes in Jesus.

  84. bullwinkle says:

    “how dare we speak of giving God the Glory, such utter nonsense to believe I give God anything or anything worthy of Him.”
    Jeff, that is an incredibly humbling statement. When I think about the times that I fall soooo short and do not honor God, I am ashamed. Yet, as you say, there is nothing that I can do for God. And yet the verses that come to mind: Eph 4:1-3
    4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
    Just a question: Is that giving glory to God?

  85. poohpity says:

    Or is that living out His glory in our everyday life?

  86. Beloved says:

    In salvation

    Nothing in my hand I bring,
    Simply to thy cross I cling;
    Naked, come to thee for dress,
    Helpless, look to thee for grace;
    Foul, I to the Fountain fly;
    Wash me, Saviour, or I die.

  87. Beloved says:

    Yes, how we live out our lives does matter. Scripture is clear about “not doing” what the unsaved do. (Drunkenness, debauchery lust greed etc etc). In living righteously we are glorifying, magnifying our great God and Father.

  88. Beloved says:

    I have a huge problem with idolatry myself.

  89. Beloved says:

    From what?

    7 let the wicked forsake his way,
    and the unrighteous man his thoughts;
    let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him,
    and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

  90. foreverblessed says:


    All work with Me is wonder-work. God working in and through man. This should be the normal work of every Christian’s day. For this I came to earth, to show man this could be.

    For this I left the earth, so that this should be. Can life offer anything more for you than that you fulfill in yourselves My expectations for My disciples?

    Satan frustrates My plan by whispering to My followers a mock humility in which they trace not his evil hand — “They are too weak, too small, too unimportant to do much . . . ”

    Away with false humility, which limits not you but Me. Mine is the Power.

    That is from God at eventide, February 22

    I post this, just to give some extra thought on our humility, not know any way to be a gainsayer: not wanting to frustrate anybody who wrote something on humility.

    Being humble to me is knowing that of myself, and in my own power I can do nothing.
    “Without Me you can do nothing” Jesus’s words.

    But…. IN Him we can do anything ( that He initiates)

    That is a thing I have problems with myself, trusting that Jesus is all I need, that IN Jesus I can conquer, everyday a bit, every day, even if it is a little bit!

  91. Beloved says:

    Forever what comes to mind is dying to self. Like a seed that is buried it comes up completely different than it once was.

  92. Beloved says:

    That is a thing I have problems with myself, trusting that Jesus is all I need, that IN Jesus I can conquer, everyday a bit, every day, even if it is a little bit!

    Someone just reminded me that our faith comes from Jesus, so we can rest and trust that the faith He has given me is enough to change me as He wants. I still must repent when He reveals sin in my life, but ultimately he will complete the good work He began.

  93. Beloved says:

    The devil wants us to distrust God, as usual. I must remind myself to tell myself what scripture says about God. Sword of the spirit.

  94. Beloved says:

    I like Jesus Calling because it reads scripture in a way that makes it seem more personal.

  95. Beloved says:

    Kerchlow Chronicles:

    Faith (so called) today is passed out as saving by the
    nonsense that is propagated by the multitudes when in
    fact it’s the farthest thing from the real thing. For it’s
    not faith! It’s only make believe!

    No one, and I mean no one, can produce true saving
    faith on their own. The first mistake they make is to
    think that this faith is of their own making.

    We must all come into the awareness that before anything was
    created, God, purposely, intentionally believed something about
    His then before chosen. God believed us into believing. We did
    not just one day stumble over belief and then and there decide of
    our own volition to believe. We are totally incapable of true faith.

    Phil. 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness,
    which is of the law, but that which is through THE FAITH OF CHRIST,
    the righteousness which is OF GOD BY FAITH:

  96. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved.
    The faith of Jesus!

    Imagine, Jesus on the Cross, and the Father left Him, He was left alone:
    My God, why have You forsaken me?

    This must have been the most dreadful thing happening to Jesus.

    And yet, Jesus kept His faith in the Father!
    Some preacher here who had lost his wife, and was grieving, came to this insight:
    Jesus did not loose His faith!

    He said: Father, in your hands I commit my Spirit.
    The Father Who was distant to Him.
    But He held on to His faith!

    So This Faith is the faith we have been given.

  97. Beloved says:

    I know isn’t it wonderful!!!

  98. jeff1 says:

    bullwinkle says:
    February 23, 2019 at 8:20 am

    Eph 4:1-3
    4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
    Just a question: Is that giving glory to God?

    Yes, its what Paul is calling followers to do but I see disunity today and not much of an effort to change because all believe they are right.

  99. poohpity says:

    We do not have to concern ourselves with other believers or unbelievers when we trust them into the mighty hands of God, all we need concern ourselves with are we living out the faith God has gifted each of us with. It is Him that changes people often when we think it is up to us as with everything else we get in His way. Do I trust, depend and rely on the Lord myself? If I really do then it will result in a “hope, a trust, and a “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”— to die for.”!

  100. jeff1 says:

    In Christ Alone

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save

    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live

    There in the ground His body lay
    Light of the world by darkness slain
    Then bursting forth in glorious Day
    Up from the grave He rose again

    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
    For I am His and He is mine
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ

    No guilt in life, no fear in death
    This is the power of Christ in me
    From life’s first cry to final breath
    Jesus commands my destiny

    No power of hell, no scheme of man
    Can ever pluck me from His hand
    ‘Til He returns or calls me home
    Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand

  101. Beloved says:

    Pooh I like your @2:29 post. Worry, no, but using our gifts to edify, not put down others is good.

  102. cbrown says:

    Good evening all!Foreverblessed,thank you for your prayers for the inmates.Thursday night was special at the prison.The Bible study was a blessing and an inmate learned how to pray for his family. He also said he was going to write them to tell them he was being led by God’s Spirit now.

  103. jeff1 says:

    “Why Should The Father Bother?”

    Why should the Father bother to call us His children?,
    Why should the Spirit hear it when we pray?,
    Why should the Father bother to be concerned with all our needs?
    It’s all Because of what the Son has done.

    Once we were lost out on the Ocean with no direction or devotion,
    tossed about by every wind & wave , Now we are in the world not of it,
    and we can surely rise above it, Because the Lord has risen from the grave


    And we cry “Abba Father”, “Abba Father” ,”Abba Father” , “Abba Father”
    We cry “Abba Father”, “Abba Father”, “Abba Father” , “Abba Father”,

    Once we were strangers from the Promise, We were doubters worse than
    Till the Spirit opened up our eyes, Now he has offered us Adoption &
    we have taken up the option, To be His family Eternally.


    It’s all Because of what the Son has done.

  104. bullwinkle says:

    “Yes, its what Paul is calling followers to do but I see disunity today and not much of an effort to change because all believe they are right.”
    I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. As long as man in involved there will continue to be strife. Yet, God promises a perfect world to come. Hold on to that promise!
    (I don’t know if faith to believe comes from within or from the Spirit of God, but does it truly matter?)

  105. cbrown says:

    This mornings “insight” from “Our Daily Bread”(2/24/19) could nave been about your song Viv. Insight
    In Psalm 104 the singer declares the power, greatness, and wonder of Israel’s God—a common theme in the psalms. In fact, Psalm 104 begins with the same refrain as Psalm 103: “Praise the Lord, my soul.” But, while much of Psalm 104 echoes other songs of praise, a feature that sets this song apart is that it’s two-directional in nature. The singer alternates between addressing God personally (the “you” sections, vv. 1–2, 24–30) and singing to the congregation about God (the “he” sections, vv. 3–23, 31–35). The psalmist praises God, while inviting his listeners—us among them—to join in!

  106. bubbles says:

    Joyce, you are right and my thoughts were wrong. I don’t know what I wast thinking. No, I wasn’t thinking correctly. I’m so sorry for the comment I made. I should have known better.

  107. poohpity says:

    Everything matters that comes from God then as most would like to boast(pride) of their faith but there is no more room for it from those who know that all spiritual things are rooted and grounded in God. However if we do not live according to the faith we have been given one day it will fade away as useless rather than growing, it is like a muscle that is not used, it atrophies. Faith is a seed planted but can have different results depending on the heart of the one who receives that seed;

    Jesus explains: 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

    As long as man is involved there will be strife but are they lead by the Spirit? Wouldn’t the results be different look at how the disciples disagreed in Galatians 2 they talked out the issues, argued, and came to conclusions that brought back unity.

  108. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    February 24, 2019 at 9:03 am

    As long as man is involved there will be strife but are they lead by the Spirit? Wouldn’t the results be different look at how the disciples disagreed in Galatians 2 they talked out the issues, argued, and came to conclusions that brought back unity.

    What matters is that just like Jesus knew Peter would deny Him three times the Bible tells us that all would go their own way so its not news to God.

    God doesn’t want anyone to perish as His love, patience, mercy, justice shows which we should be all very grateful for as we all come to Jesus very differently with different burdens and at different times in our lives and He is patient in waiting for us so we should allow God to work in peoples lives as He sees fit and not as we do.

    My earthly dad knew that in my youth I was allowing myself to be led astray but he could not convince me and it was not until God got a hold on me that I seen my sin was against Him so that proves that another person cannot change me but only God has that power over us.

    God will bring unity in His own time as man as failed to do so because of ignorance of God.

  109. street says:

    Open to me the gates of righteousness;
    I shall enter through them, I shall give thanks to the Lord.
    This is the gate of the Lord;
    The righteous will enter through it.
    I shall give thanks to You, for You have answered me,
    And You have become my salvation.

  110. street says:

    John 16:33
    These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”

  111. street says:

    been thinking about c s lewis quote. yes He is dangerous, but He is Good!

    thinking about how dangerous sin is compared to ashland? is His love dangerous or have we been deceived?

    the Scriptures speak of a place of rest and security. even peace, in a troubled world. a narrow gate.

    the disciples where mystified how rich people could not enter the kingdom? they ask who could be saved? Jesus replied,” “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    if i remember right the priest have no inheritance in this world. nor did He have a place to rest His head. a yoke of rest, easy and light.

  112. Beloved says:

    Thinking about love and eternity. I believe all are chosen, but few enter in. I was thinking what would heaven be like if unrepentant, evil people were brought in because of Gods love. What kind of a Place would it be? Not too different from earth I’m thinking. It seems to me the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is taken too lightly sometimes.

    Just some thoughts on a long day of strong gusty winds closing roads and driveways across the state, with blizzard conditions in half of it. Well below zero tonight again. But spring IS coming, unless Jesus comes first! Always Something to hope for!

  113. poohpity says:

    Would unrepentant, evil people even want to come into the presence of God? Wouldn’t they be the one’s who say, ““From what? Go away… Leave us alone… We don’t need any.”? In His love would God force anyone to do anything they did not want or desire to do?

    Psalm 145: The LORD is righteous in all His ways and kind in all His deeds. 18The LORD is near to all who call on Him, to all who call out to Him in truth. 19He fulfills the desires of those who fear Him; He hears their cry and saves them.

    Proverbs 15:29

  114. poohpity says:

    It would seem that those who have trials, suffering and hardships can go one of two ways they can become embittered, full of self pity, angry, resentful or with the Lord beside them they can become compassionate, empathetic and tenderhearted towards others who are going through trials, suffering and hardships. We live in a fallen world and the results of that are trials, suffering and hardships but we know we are not alone that God will and does walk close with us through all life’s hills and valleys so that we come out on the others side with perseverance, a soft pliable heart and know that we have a need to call out to God to help us through. I need God! I need His love and acceptance no matter what circumstances are before me they lead to my need.

    I am saved from sinful desires to desire a life filled with God.

    2 Peter His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    take heart Beloved, spring will come!
    We have extra-ordinary weather here in western Europe, too mild, sunny, warm like spring.
    Flowers on the early trees, birds singing, butterflies flying in the air.
    It is way too early!
    But I enjoy it very much!

    Thank you Steve for your kind remarks about my comment on the festivals, I thought I share a little here.
    We had a lively discussion that night! There was one guy, who said, he didn’t need to know all that information, he just wanted to walk with Jesus here on earth, and then go to heaven, and be at peace.
    We just were having some fun together then…
    Imagine, you are tired, and wearied, and have died, finally in heaven, you think you can retire, and lo and behold, Jesus comes with a message, loud and clear to be heard all through heaven:
    Make yourselves ready: I am going back to earth, and want you to go with Me.

    Oh, we just had a good laugh about that!

    Christ, I keep these inmaes in mind! Jesus sets the prisoners free! It sometimes take a while though.
    But in Spirit they can be free now already, even if they are enchained, as Paul was.

    jeff, meditating on the songs you post here is a great middle day quiet moment.

  116. jeff1 says:

    When I hear Christians say today that it was the Jews and Romans that crucified Jesus then I think of how selective our memories are as our sins are so easily forgotten when it comes to ourselves but not so easy forgotten when it comes to others.

    The world reflects the unforgiveness which shows a world that needs change.

    That I see God still at work is a blessing and long for Him to reign in all who are in keeping with His will.

    Beloved says, it seems to me the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is taken too lightly sometimes but I say we take our sins against God too lightly and often pay the price as God is not here for our convenience but for our Salvation and I believe God takes that very seriously indeed.

  117. poohpity says:

    I have never heard of anyone thinking that when they get to heaven they retire or that Jesus needs us in anyway to fight that final battle so I can see why there was a good laugh about that. Doesn’t He have legions of angels
    to fight that battle? God is our protector and the battle is His but He does ask us to be His warriors while still on this earth to fight for good and to get His message out. “But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”

    Can you imagine shedding the prison of this flesh which is prone to sin? Total freedom to worship in the very presence of God, we no longer get tired, we no longer demand our way or demand others to do what we say, we finally get to experience the fullness of God because at that time we become more like Him not bound by the ways of the world grief, suffering, trails, temptations, sorrows but just rest finally seeing all that God is and the powers that were beyond our belief while we were here on earth.

  118. Beloved says:

    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.”

  119. Beloved says:

    thinking about how dangerous sin is compared to ashland? is His love dangerous or have we been deceived?
    the Scriptures speak of a place of rest and security. even peace, in a troubled world. a narrow gate.

    Dangerous, sin or God? Good question street. We see Jesus on the cross, appearing to lose yet winning big time for all time. Depends on who or what is your master. Those idols, ohhhh how they fight for control, yet never offering eternal peace and rest. God says in heaven we will be like the angels! Strong! No disabilities of any kind, God-abled to do whatever is His Will. Security is great then and now. Safe and secure from all alarms the song goes, leaning on the everlasting arms.

  120. Beloved says:

    Peace, those quiet moments with God, His word, singing spiritual songs, edifying each other. God is there always!

  121. jeff1 says:

    Saved from what, my tendency to overlook my own sin while condemning others, my demons in my head, and my inability to see God as He is.

  122. SFDBWV says:

    Looked in earlier this morning and decided that I didn’t really have much more to offer the subject, but as I read some of the comments there may be more I need to say.

    There are a great many verses in the NT that are quite disturbing, even troubling when it comes to reading that some who consider themselves to be covered by the Blood and assured of their salvation are warned that they may not be.

    These types of verses are what brings about the comments or “joke” of our last topic. That of being told if you don’t let Jesus in what He is going to do to you if you don’t.

    In fact these frightening verses don’t even guarantee that allowing Him to come in keeps you from being left out.

    Further troubling is the idea then that there is something “you” have to do to ensure that you are actually saved.

    That same bad taste I sense when I read from some that answers to our prayers aren’t realized because we don’t have enough faith.

    Salvation is either up to Christ or up to us. Which is it if we allow Him in and don’t even recognize if we are “hot or cold” enough not to be spat out?

    I have always thought of the cross Jesus had to carry on that long tortured walk up to Golgotha’s Hill, as being each and every person who He came to be sacrificed for. The weight of which even He needed help to endure.

    I admit it I feel great discomfort when I think of Jesus saying to a person “Depart from me I never knew you.” When they had called upon him perhaps their entire life.

    If it is sincerity that is at issue, then our salvation is not only up to Jesus, but a mutually shared process. Is that possible, has God left our salvation up to us and Jesus only being the doorway through which we must enter in order to be reunited with Him?


  123. street says:

    forever loved your story of Jesus telling us we are going back to earth! i can see the disciples and us rolling our eyes from time to time. God knows our hearts and loves us in the hope that we would love Him. He first loved us. it seems to me when we receive Christ as Lord and Savior we will receive all things. He will not withhold any good thing from us. i think this includes all circumstance. He is LORD of all. the idea of returning to earth, rolling eyes, makes me think of the past bad memories and failures that occurred there. they have been removed, plus the earth belongs to God not the devil. i believe the devil gets a time out, 1000 years. that make me shiver, knowing God is not done with him. i also have to say love for God will remove even this fear. the devil can only destroy the flesh, our fear of death is removed in Christ Who has given us eternal life and a promise of an incorruptible body. learning to continue in faith hope and love. the whole earth is filled with His Glory.

    if the second death has no power over us, it means we have died with Christ and have been raised up with Him. new life, eternal. happy are those who dine with Him.

  124. Beloved says:

    “The hard sayings of Jesus” are called so for a reason I think Steve. I heard a theologian teacher pastor say that out of his confirmation class only himself and one other were following Christ after some 60 years. I was reminded that statistically about 10per cent of those going forward at billy Graham’s meetings continued in their walk with God. I read that there are two ways to follow Christ, outwardly and inwardly. Not about what we do, but about our inner personal relationship with Him. I don’t think you have anything to worry about dear Steve.

  125. SFDBWV says:

    Just so you and others know Joyce, I am not concerned for myself, but everyone else.

    Done for the day, blessings to all.


  126. poohpity says:

    Some people can be married a lifetime and still never know their spouse just as people can say they are Christians but have never actually spent anytime to get to know Him.

  127. Beloved says:

    Fortunately God left His Word to read so we can get to know Him! Preachers, teachers, scholars and ministries such as this and ODB help us to understand Him also! (Along with a few well placed friends on Christian blogs.)

  128. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, these could be pretty grim thoughts,
    Depart form Me, I never knew you.
    Then Street wrote:
    “i also have to say love for God will remove even this fear. the devil can only destroy the flesh, our fear of death is removed in Christ Who has given us eternal life and a promise of an incorruptible body. learning to continue in faith hope and love. the whole earth is filled with His Glory. ”

    That is a comforting thought!

    I have heard say, that to those Jesus said, Depart form Me,
    that they are “out” and not “in”
    the ones that cast out devils in His name, and yet Jesus doesn’t know them
    That they are out, that the out is the time of the 1000 year reign. Gnashing of teeth, 1000 years not withint the city, the land, the temple, described in Ezekiel.
    Then I thought: Well, worth the thought, it could be so.

    But then again, love casts out all fear! My longing is to b e with Jesus, right now, give Him all the moments, the hard ones, the good ones. This morning my head is not doing very well, but well enough that I can type.
    Praising God, He is our Saviour! He made a way, where there was no way.

    And Steve, about faith, and healing not coming. That is a hard thing!

    How long Joseph had to wait, in slavery, in prison…
    He was 17 when his brothers sold him, and about 39 or 40 when Jacob came to Egypt
    I heard a sermon on Joseph, (it is on internet, forum of christian leaders “Joseph: In the Context of the Big Story and Genesis” by John Lennox)
    It is a long story, 4 sermons, of each one hour. BUt it was a great bible study, the indepth search of the meaning of Jesus.
    Joseph is a type of Jesus, I knew that, but hearing it again, is so good!
    Everything seems to go wrong, and stays wrong, and the hatred among the brothers! O dear, what a mess the family of Jacob had become.
    Joseph sold, becoming a slave. But his master is a good man, and he is doind alright. Then the wife of the man, goes after Joseph, (a very old “me too” story)
    Here the preacer said: this time the temptation was not in a garden, but in a small estate. Now Joseph choses to follow God, while he could have thought: I am a slave, have lost my life, why not go for it, this lovely women, maybe, probably she was a great beauty. But Joseph choses for God! He makes a different choice then what Adam and Eve had done in the garden.
    God wants children, but He is looking for the ones who actively chose for Him, who despite the temptation, withstand the temptation, and chose for Him.
    “How can I do this wicked thing and sins against God?”
    And thought she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refused…
    Genesis 39:9-10
    Why do I bring this up: about waiting, about wonders that do not come.
    Joseph was in jail, and helps the tow dreamers, and then he says to the one Genesis 40:14 when it goes well with you, remember me… mention me to Pharaoh..
    The cupbearer was released, there the spirits of Joseph must have lifted, HOPE…
    And nothing happened
    The silence of God

    God must see how much weight a shoulder can bear, for the chosen person, who will be a king and priest in His Kingdom.

    All circumstances come from God, and also the waiting.
    The longer the test, the greater the strength.

    Psalm 27:14
    wait for the Lord
    Be strong and take heart
    and wait for the Lord

    (Not working up ourselves the strenght, but in the waiting, the strenght form God grows in us if we hold on to GOd, and not give up)

    BUt I do have the gist of what you say:
    Salvation comes from God, nothing we can add or do, but God works in us, that we become like Him, He changes us from the inside, that His faith becomes ours, that His love becomes ours. We have a great deal to say in the growth, why would there be the extortion in the NT, to build with Gold, and not hay?

  129. poohpity says:

    forever, I hope you meant that there is exhortation not extortion in the NT. I am sure that was a mistake but I understand what you meant.

    As for God answering our prayers isn’t no an answer too? Sometimes we look around and fail to see the provisions of God because they are not what we thought they should be and sometimes we do get in the way of the progress that God had intended in someone’s life. We can be very grateful for the small steps and small actions that show His hand all around us, it doesn’t always have to be something grand and spectacular but the inches in the right direction and the lessons we learn along the way.

  130. poohpity says:

    It would seem that more often than not God cares about our heart condition more than anything else. Proverbs 23:26; Psalm 51:10; Matt 5:8

  131. poohpity says:

    If we have faith then we understand that no matter what the answers are like yes, no, wait we can trust that God has our best interests in mind and He has His reasons although we may not understand what they are but if we just ask for wisdom in the matter He will show us sometimes and other times He is just wanting us to trust Him above what we want Him to do.

    All things work for our good
    Though sometimes we don’t see
    How they could
    Struggles that break our hearts in two
    Sometimes blind us to the truth

    Our Father knows what’s best for us
    His ways are not our own
    So when your pathway grows dim
    And you just don’t see Him,
    Remember you’re never alone

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart
    Trust His Heart

    He sees the master plan
    And he holds our future in His hand,
    So don’t live as those who have no hope,
    All our hope is found in Him

    We see the present clearly
    But He sees the first and the last
    And like a tapestry He’s weaving you and me,
    To someday be just like Him

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart

    He alone is faithful and true
    He alone knows what is best for you

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart

    When you don’t understand
    When you don’t see His plan

    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart
    Trust His Heart

  132. poohpity says:

    We can be grateful for what we do have rather than complaining and grumbling about what we don’t have and that will soften most hearts to accept what God has provided and He will open the door to give us more. That could be what the picture shows.

  133. SFDBWV says:

    One of the many things I learned decades ago was that standard answers or trying to answer for God just doesn’t work.

    The friends of Job catch a lot of criticism from people who see their failure for trying to do just that, answer for God. In fact God tells Job to pray for them for their inaccuracies.

    There are more Scripture verses that are un-nerving and disturbing, but I would rather expand on the verses that give hope rather than cast dispersion and doubt.

    When Matt lay in a coma one of the many Christian magazines I get came in the mail. It was Kenneth Hagin’s “Discover the Word”. On the cover was a picture description of the 23 Psalm.

    Psalms 23:1-6 KJV spoke to me in such a way as it never had before, and still does to this very hour.

    I prefer the KJV over any other new translation as I do for nearly all of the Psalms.

    There in that Psalm God walks us through a life of whatever comes our way with the assurance of in the end our being eternally with Him.

    All the while taking care of us perhaps even when we don’t recognize it.

    I know my place with God, my concern is for others and my prayers are for them to have what I have and more. To be filled with Him and blessed by Him. To have peace. A peace which passeth all understanding.

    Stand fast and hold fast to what faith you have, it too is a gift from God and nothing you nor I can attain on our own.

    Blessing for all.


  134. jeff1 says:

    Stand Up For Jesus

    Verse #1
    Stand up, stand up, for Jesus,
    Ye soldiers of the cross;
    Lift high His royal banner,
    It must not suffer loss:
    From victory unto victory,
    His army shall He lead,
    Till every foe is vanquished,
    And Christ is Lord indeed.

    Verse #2
    Stand up, stand up, for Jesus,
    The trumpet call obey;
    Forth to the mighty conflict,
    In this His glorious day:
    Ye who are men, now serve Him,
    Against unnumbered foes;
    Let courage rise with danger,
    And strength to strength oppose.

    Verse #3
    Stand up, stand up, for Jesus,
    Stand in His strength alone;
    The arm of flesh will fail you,
    Ye dare not trust your own:
    Put on the gospel armor
    Each piece put on with prayer;
    Where duty calls, or danger,
    Be never wanting there.

    Verse #4
    Stand up, stand up, for Jesus,
    The strife will not belong;
    This day the noise of battle,
    The next, the victor’s song:
    To him who over-cometh,
    A crown of life shall be;
    He, with the King of glory,
    Shall reign eternally.

  135. poohpity says:

    We do not have to try to answer or speak for God (wouldn’t that be pride) when we have a book that tells of the many ways God has already answered and spoken. Sharing God’s words and message is a commission that we all were sent out to share, it is not speaking for God it is humbly sharing what He has already said, His words. Romans 10:14-15 NLT

  136. poohpity says:

    Steve, I am sorry I do not mean to hurt your feelings but I do not want what you have. My desire is to want to be more like Jesus and receive what He has. I want to accept and love those who disagree with me or who say harmful and false things, I want unity within the church body, I enjoy the desire that God put in my heart to read His word and going to church and sharing the Gospel(Good News), I want to share His grace and mercy, I want to be grateful and not complain or doubt God’s love or goodness, I don’t want to believe I am a pawn in a game God is playing with human beings, I want to realize my need for God that I can not do everything on my own and try to fit God in my plans but I want Him to fit me into His plans. I want what Jesus has a close relationship with God the Father.

  137. SFDBWV says:

    Don’t worry pooh my feelings are fine. And I understand you don’t understand what it is I have.


  138. Beloved says:

    I’m not sure what you mean Steve but about verses, well, they all are important or they would not be in the cannon. Yet there are times I just need encouragement like we all do. (Most of the time). The hard sayings of Jesus can yes be used as bullets to shame and hurt or they can be used as intended, giving instruction and warnings of what God expects from us. And what obedience to God looks like. Very important! Context audience purpose are all important as I know you know also, For sensitives like me they are oh so important! There are just too many other voices in the world that beg my attention, I guess that why I was led to Bible college as God knows me so well. Being a natural empath I also get easily caught up in how others are feeling, a huge drag on my time, yet God uses that in me mostly for intercessory prayer. Sometimes in one on one encounters, though less so since I’m retired. SALED: I absolutely can identify with you feeling you don’t “belong”. Work did the exact same thing for me, gave me relationships, purpose and structure I have a hard time attaining on my own. But God!!!! He’s my constant my focus my purpose my One and Only always, and especially in the difficult lonely and confusing times. With no family close and once again not speaking to me the challenge is real. Sorry I’m getting way off track…blessings to all and especially those who need Jesus in the flesh today. Maybe YOU are the Jesus someone needs. :-)

  139. street says:

    speaking for God? thinking of a very narrow gate here. most of us are familiar with prideful speech, or even been unaware of speaking pridefully. it is the stock and trade of a dark world. many of us on a good day can detect the pride/darkness of speech and sometimes goes unnoticed. adam and eve heard some things that were not right and paid a price for ignoring the truth. it would seem truth is like kryptonite, in revealing prideful speech. and yes it can hurt and lead to destruction, broad road. yet is it not love that leads to the narrow gate and life?

    yes when we come to the truth, pride dies. truth, never to be given up, but held too. it is best given, in love. given any other way leads to separation.

    thinking about the difficulty of love, it comes from God happy are those who find Him.

  140. Beloved says:

    God is always loving and always good!

  141. poohpity says:

    Steve, Why would we want what you have when we could have what God wants to give each of us? We could go from a very small itty bitty tiny world to expand our horizons to get out of the boat and get our faith stretched to grow. Rather than enduring and surviving troubles we could overcome and rise above them and live an abundant life full of joy and wonder. Why live discouraged and without hope or trust all the time because we think our prayers have not been answered when we could be grateful for what we do have?

  142. jeff1 says:

    It’s God’s love that draws us to Himself and that is not the kind of love I find on earth and why I will go on seeking Him until He calls me Home.

    This World is not my home

    This world is not my home I’m just a passing through
    My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then lord what will I do
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    I have a loving mother just over in gloryland
    And I don’t expect to stop until I shake her hand
    She’s waiting now for me in heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home Then lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me From heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

    Just over in gloryland
    We’ll live eternally
    The saints on every hand are shouting victory

    Their songs of sweetest praise
    Drift back from heaven’s shore
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

    Oh lord, you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home Then lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me From heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

  143. SFDBWV says:

    I certainly don’t want anybody to be confused about what I have. Sadly if what I wrote was actually read, what I have is also given.

    I will quote that part of my February 26 2019 8:53 am comment once again so that perhaps if read you can see what it is I claim to have.

    “I know my place with God, my concern is for others and my prayers are for them to have what I have and more. (To be filled with Him and be blessed by Him. To have peace. A peace which passeth all understanding.)”

    I added the captions so perhaps it may be read.

    Pooh you are just too quick to say something negative. What part of the fruit of the Spirit do you think you have demonstrated in your comments to me today?

    If you don’t want what I have, that’s your choice. Truth is you don’t seem to have what I have or at least you don’t demonstrate it.

    I am sorry pooh I have been trying to give you some room in my participation here, but unless you show some improvement, I will resort back to just having to ignore you. Once again the choice is yours.


  144. street says:

    it’s hard to kick against a goad.

    steve i remember paul speaking about others becoming like him, whether sooner or later, lest these chains.

    John 6:35
    Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.

  145. Beloved says:

    Good fruit, check

    Bad fruit, check

    Another day on the blog.

  146. Beloved says:

    That was quite an indictment against Steve. Wow. Praying you have a peace evening, Steve.

  147. Beloved says:


  148. Beloved says:

    For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

  149. jeff1 says:

    I know what you mean, Steve, as I have often envied my dad’s understanding and peace with God as I have always struggled much more in my own faith journey.

    It is given to some to be more at ease with God then others or that is what I find depending on a person’s character weaknesses.

    What I am saying is that some by nature have more Jesus like characteristics while other’s have not.

    It is those who struggle that need your prayers, Steve, and I consider myself to be needy when it comes to my head and accept all the prayers I can get.

    I find that some people are just totally disagreeable while others have their moments but I remind myself of C. S. Lewis’s quote:

    There are two kinds of love: we love wise and kind and beautiful people because we need them, but we love (or try to love) stupid and disagreeable people because they need us. This second kind is the more divine because that is how God loves us: not because we are lovable but because He is love, not because He needs to receive but He delights to give.

  150. Beloved says:

    God didn’t help you
    heal to go back to the
    unhealthy behaviors
    that contributed to
    your brokenness and
    heartbreak. Don’t just
    run back to what’s
    familiar. Run to God.
    Let Him introduce you
    to what will LAST, what
    will help you grow and
    continue to embrace
    the wonderful woman
    you were created to be.

    Curtrice L Williams

  151. Beloved says:

    Viv I love your quote.

  152. foreverblessed says:

    “True Humility
    If I, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet, you ought also to wash one another’s feet.

    How My followers have misunderstood this. They interpret the required attitude to be one of service. In service there can be condescension, there can be a total lack of humility.

    I sought to teach a lesson to those who would approach Me to partake of that wonderful Union with Me, vouchsafed to those who worthily eat of My Flesh and drink of My Blood.

    I desired to teach them that they must come to Me in the Spirit of humility towards others. No sense of superiority, especially Spiritual superiority. True humility. Learn this lesson in daily Companionship with Me. “For I am meek and lowly of heart.””
    God at eventide February 6

  153. foreverblessed says:

    This interpretation of the feet washing was new to me. You can read the bible, and yet miss the deeper meaning.

    Steve asked, are we involved in our salvation, or the gist of his question what like that. Do we have a part in it?
    Jesus said, that those who do what He says, build a house on a Rock.
    At first glance I was aonly thinking about the foundation, that we are building on Jesus, He is the Rock of Ages. We do not build on sand.
    BUt there is a second part in it: the building involves bricks and mortar.
    Every truth Jesus reveals to us, is like a brick, and then coombined with faith, the mortar we build a house.

    I was thinking, yes, we definitely have a say in the end product, not in our initial salvation, nobody can be taken out of the kingdom of darkness, this world, that is ruled by the enemy. This world is not a neutral world.
    But Jesus has conquered the prince of darkness, It is finished!

    Jesus was the ransom paid for us.
    Jesus said: take me, and let them go free.
    So Jesus was taken by the evil powers, and killed on the Cross.
    Because Jesus was the Son of God, He could not be hold in death.
    Jesus rose from the dead!
    Mart had a topic last year: Was satan tricked? I do not remember the exact name of the topic.

    we are freed from the kingdom of darkness! We are free to serve our living God. To live in newness of life, a life that is given to us, by the Spirit of Jesus:

    “Whoever believes in Me, streams of living water will flow from within him” John 7:38

    What if we take that bible verse literal? Literally a flow from heaven through the Spirit of Jesus flows through us, and in the Name of Jesus we are cleansed, sanctified, healed in spirit, soul and body.

    Turn to Me and be saved.

    The repentance is the turning to Jesus, the knowing deep down in our hearts who Jesus really is.
    The Light of my heart John 8:12
    the Bread of my life John 6:35
    the Gate for me to enter in John 10:7
    He is my Shepherd Who leads me, through green pastures and trough dark valleys. Psalm 23:1-6

    that is my Savior, and yours!

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Streams of living water, see My utmost of September 6.
    Even the picture is beautifull, of the streaming water, the hills, the sky.
    I was thinking to try to paint that. See if I can get the water flowing. and get the color of the water, the green valley, the haze in the sky. And yet there are hills to be seen.

  155. poohpity says:

    Steve, all I was saying rather than praying for others to have what you have wouldn’t it be better to pray to have what Jesus wants for them because after all everyone is different, with different gifts and talents to be used to serve the whole body of Christ. I wasn’t saying that what you have is bad or worthless I just wondered why pray for others to have what you have rather than what the Lord has for them. So maybe what I said was taken in a negative way when it was meant to point people to God instead of you.

    I think when Paul talked about imitating him because He imitates Christ was because Paul gave his life as Christ did to share the gospel around the world. He put up with persecution, floggings, imprisonment, stoning just to get the word out about Christ. Now how many on this blog can say they laid down their life for that? What exactly have any of you given up to follow after Christ or to share His word?

  156. poohpity says:

    Joyce, you said, “That was quite an indictment against Steve.” That was not an indictment against Steve I read what he writes and those are things he has shared about himself, his life and the thoughts he has about God in black and white on this blog so it is sort of written in stone and can not be denied. I try to pay close attention to all of you so I can understand what you live with and through.

  157. poohpity says:

    Viv, it is way different for you to say what you admired about your dad than what someone says in admiration of their self.

  158. foreverblessed says:

    If there is one person on this blog who has laid down his life for his friends it is Steve!
    (his friend being his son in his case)

    Greater love has no-one than this:
    to lay down his life for his friends
    John 15:13

    And what Steve often shared here is that he has found peace in Christ.
    The peace that transcends all knowledge. I think Steve stated it as: that which transcends all understanding. Let’s see what he wrote: (Feb 26, 4.26 pm)

    ““I know my place with God, my concern is for others and my prayers are for them to have what I have and more. (To be filled with Him and be blessed by Him. To have peace. A peace which passeth all understanding.)””

    So if you have carefully read, he said:
    to have what I have, and more

    that includes: having what Jesus has in mind for you.

    Just as Paul said:
    Follow me as I follow Christ.

    Dear Pooh, may God forgive you, for you do NOT know what you are doing.

  159. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh if you don’t want to listen to what I have to say then at least understand what it is the Scripture says and especially what it is Jesus is saying to you.

    There is not another person here who is more addressed than you. Not because you lift them up or encourage them, rather because you enrage them.

    Every single person here has called you out on your behavior. What is it that makes you think everyone else is wrongly accusing you and you an innocent victim?

    I can only say you are greatly deceived.

    From the Book of Acts on the testimony given is about people and how Jesus has affected them and their journey with Him. Paul not only instructs via the Holy Spirit, but lives out his Christianity as does every other person named from Acts to John 3.

    Here we are given the opportunity to share our lives as influenced and led by God. Shared means the good the bad and the ugly, all with God at the helm.

    I do pray Deborah that you hear Jesus knocking at the door of your heart and that you let Him in. The things you say not only to me, but sooner or later to everyone else seems to show He is still outside your door.

    You may know about Him Deborah, but you don’t actually know Him.

    It seems you have made your choice as to my invitation, so be it.


  160. poohpity says:

    Of course I have no idea what is in each of your hearts that I could say whether you have welcomed the Lord in or not because that is not my place to say but better left in the hands of God, only God’s. It must feel awesome to be able to determine what is in the heart another like God does. Isn’t that a god complex-A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility.

    I like being different than a gang that thinks and acts alike because God made me unique so I do not have to go along with the crowd nor do I want others to be like me unless like me they know how much they need Jesus but hopefully their desire would be to imitate Him.

  161. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the Body of Christ. How we all think alike because we are all joined with one mind in serving Him.

  162. phpatato says:

    Steve I just read a quote on facebook that sums up what you are saying

    People will provoke you until they bring out your ugly side, then play victim when you go there….

    We have our very own here who has this perfected. She certainly crossed the line by critizing your prayer to God for your fellow bloggers. That takes a lot of gall, if you ask me. But her picking apart your prayer is something she will be discussing with God about, whether she wants to or not.

    I want to thank you and am so very grateful that you want for me…”To be filled with Him and be blessed by Him. To have peace. A peace which passeth all understanding.”

    You don’t know this but I am grieving the loss of my sweet dog of almost 14 years. She succumbed to kidney failure and pancreatitis. She took a piece of my heart and it hurts.

    Pat xo

  163. Beloved says:

    Forever I’m reading Andrew Murray’s book on Humility. Interesting what you wrote about serving also. What I read last night is when we become enraged bothered upset with another it’s a call for humility. Jesus didn’t get upset with people who taunted and abused Him. He is our example and hope. Therefore the thorns are there for a reason, to teach humility. God will deal with them (Pooh). What God taught me the last time I left the blog was in a nutshell to have this attitude -not my circus not my monkeys- in other words God is the ringmaster, if you will. Sorry don’t mean to offend anyone by my crude analogy. Getting upset at one out of control player shows it is not my problem, and that humility is what’s called for. You see it’s humility that brings us closer to Jesus, not our service our knowledge nothing but humility. Thinking washing another’s feet is not something I’m prone to doing. Perhaps God will teach me. I have much to learn. Bless the LORD oh my soul.

  164. Beloved says:

    Pat so sorry for the loss of your pet. I know it hurts so much. (((Hug)))

  165. Beloved says:

    Paul says his weaknesses are not cause for fighting but for His strength because then only God is his strength.
    2 Corinthians 12:9-12
    9 But he said to me, (A)“My grace is sufficient for you, for (B)my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that (C)the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 (D)For the sake of Christ, then, (E)I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For (F)when I am weak, then I am strong.

  166. phpatato says:

    Thank you Joyce


  167. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    February 27, 2019 at 7:56 am
    Joyce, you said,….

    To be analyzed and have our sins picked apart for your pleasure is not Christlike behavior or manner. More like the devils advocate. Is that who you are? REally? Because thats how you come across. You want to be different. Different from what? Who? Jesus? Your God is not the same one we follow. Your words in black and white attest to what’s in your heart. But at the same time I thank God for you being here. Because you push me further through the taunts to Christ. It’s a win win situation because I know my redeemer lives and will take me away from here some day and I will see God triumph over His enemies. Deb you must decide who you are going to follow before it’s too late. You’ll never make it alone.

  168. SFDBWV says:

    Thinking about our place in our salvation, I am reminded of Philippians 2:12 KJV. (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.) Upon reading these words I am also led on to Philippians 2:14 KJV (Do all things without murmurings and disputing.) I am both led and encouraged by these words.

    I also wanted to thank you all for your encouraging words as I still believe we as the Church are to lift up encourage and comfort each other. Thank you, each and every one of you for your prayers concerns and encouragements.

    When I consider Christ knocking at the door, I consider it a beginning point for not only our salvation, but for our living testimony of Jesus in us. The story only begins when we open the door and invite Jesus in.

    It took more than a knock at the door for Paul, but Jesus did not abandon Paul He did what it took to make Paul open His eyes and ears to where His salvation came.

    Pat I am very sorry for your pain at the loss of your dog. I for one am among those who think we will see our pets in heaven all because of a verse of Scripture, Job 12:10 KJV. The soul of every living thing means to me every living thing has a soul.

    Was thinking of emailing you this morning but this post has taken me a couple hours to finish…


  169. Beloved says:

    Steve I heard a well known pet dr. call animals little souls. That bothered me because it equates people with animals as equals. The scripture in Job I looked up and the word “souls” means “life”. We all have life, animals and humans, but not “souls” as only people are made in the image of God. Animals do not praise or worship God, but we can thank God FOR them as companions, workers, and things of beauty. As much as I now enjoy my pets I’m thinking God will be enough to fill my thoughts/needs with beauty in Eternity, Heaven. Just thinking.

  170. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce that is fine I said I am one of those who believe everything has a soul. There in that verse there is a distinction between a soul and the breath (life) of all mankind.

    When I look into the eyes of a dog or a horse I see a soul even intelligence looking back. I also believe the songs of birds each morning and evening are prayers of thanksgiving to their Creator.

    Just thinking as well.


  171. phpatato says:

    For what it’s worth….I hang on to the thought that there is a such a thing as Rainbow Bridge. If you’re not sure what I mean by that, a simple google search with bring you to the poem. I want to believe that the new Jerusalem will be filled with animals and among them, the ones that God gifted us with and entrusted us to care for while on this earth.

    Heaven…a place filled with happiness and every thing that will brings that happiness to us, our pets included.

  172. Beloved says:

    Thanks Steve it would make a good study for another time perhaps.

  173. Beloved says:

    Forever I hope your head is doing better.

  174. Beloved says:

    Our dear devils advocate, Pooh, in answer to your question, “Now how many on this blog can say they laid down their life for that? What exactly have any of you given up to follow after Christ or to share His word?”

    28Peter began to say to Him, “Look, we have left everything and followed You.” 29“Truly I tell you,” said Jesus, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for My sake and for the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundredfold in the present age—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and fields, along with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.…

    I’m guessing it’s a pretty high percentage. I could give you my list but it’s not important. It’s an honor and duty to follow Christ.

  175. street says:

    Jesus at the door. please come in and renew my mind and refresh my soul. the market place is a messy place and you are LORD over it. Jesus i have had a bath, but my feet get so dirty there. seems to me that Jesus is physically separated from us, but not His Spirit. i believe eye salve is available? to see You better and your Glory.

    4 But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, 5 that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. 6 For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus. 7 So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus.

  176. Beloved says:

    Pat I wasn’t familiar with Rainbows Bridge until now. It brought to mind a beautifully done movie with Robin Williams, What Dreams May Come. Fantasy can be so beautiful and make us happy!

  177. Beloved says:

    Street i love to think about “his grace and kindness toward us,”

  178. street says:

    The strife will not be long;

    This day the noise of battle, The next, the victor’s song;

    To him that overcometh A crown of life shall be;

    He, with the King of glory, Shall reign eternally.

  179. phpatato says:

    Speaking of fantasy Joyce, a lot of people believe that Heaven is just a fantasy. I guess it all falls under faith, hope and love. Do I have faith enough to hope there is a Heaven where there is a God who loves us enough to provide us with every thing we could hope for and more.

    I certainly do!!!


  180. Beloved says:

    Pat I have a different view of heaven. I’ve had most everything at one time or another in my life, I learned that “things” are fleeting I guess. For me, being with Jesus, meeting John Peter Paul Mary Augustine Martin Luther Moses David Abigail the woman caught in adultery and on and on will be heaven for me. I think individual wants desires will be no more, as all our desires are found in Him.

    Thinking about returning to earth one day. I think it will be with great joy as the bride of Christ. No work at all. What a Bridegroom we have!!!

  181. foreverblessed says:

    Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city.
    Proverbs 16:32

    Like a city whose walls are broken through is a person who lacks self-control.
    Proverbs 25:28

    And should we have lost our temper, there is always the next test.
    And our last score stands.
    God is patient with us, and wants us to succeed!
    What example we have in Jesus, He had all power, and yet much self-control.

  182. Beloved says:

    Self control is one of the fruits of the Spirit given to us. We HAVE self control!

  183. Beloved says:

    Galatians 5:16-18(NIV)
    16 So I say, walk by the Spirit,(A) and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.(B) 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.(C) They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[a] you want.(D) 18 But if you are led by the Spirit,(E) you are not under the law.

  184. Beloved says:

    Yes we do grieve the Spirit when we lose our temper.

  185. jeff1 says:


    Home is where the heart is, my heart’s own home
    Though I never really had one to call my own
    I’ve been given a key by the Carpenter of Galilee
    With interest paid the title’s made to me

    Home, where there is no night
    Home, where the Son is the light
    The place I’ve been dreaming of so long

    Loved ones there to welcome me
    But His sweet face will be the first I see
    When my journey’s over I am going home

    Everybody dreams of going home it seems
    Lately I am no exception to the rule
    But home is so much more than windows, walls and doors
    It’s a warm embrace and smiling faces awaiting you

    Home, where there is no night
    Home, where the Son is the light
    The place I’ve been dreaming of so long

    Loved ones there to welcome me
    But His sweet face will be the first I see
    When my journey’s over I am going home

    Home, where there is no night
    Home, where the Son is the light
    The place I’ve been dreaming of so long

    Loved ones there to welcome me
    But His sweet face will be the first I see
    When my journey’s over I am going home
    And when my journey’s over I am going home

  186. mtman says:

    phpatato: I read of the loss of your 14 year old fur companion and my heart goes out to you. It is my opinion one of the hardest things to go through. As is amplified on this blog humans can be fickle but our fur friends have all the qualities that we seek and mostly fall short of. They Love unconditionally, they are faithful and loyal. They love us when we are unlovable and they seek to please us their entire lives. They protect us and they warn us against dangers and bad people.

    Living where we do and as remote as we live our dogs are very close to us. We prefer German Shepherds as they are intelligent, loyal and protective. They don’t live long enough and we lost one to a massive stroke at almost 13 years old last Dec. just before Christmas.

    Another has Cauda Equina where his nerves coming out of his spine are impaired and he has little control over his back legs and has lost bowel control and some bladder control. We regretfully have to pick up his poo inside frequently but for his lifetime loyalty and love for us that is a minor inconvenience and we will give him until he can no longer use his back legs. In his many years with us he has given his all for us so it is the very least we can do for him. We believe his time is now very limited and we too are heartbroken but make the most of every day.

    I understand your grief and share in same as when others lose a beloved pet it brings our past grief back too. Sorry for your loss. My hope is that one day I will be reunited with our pets in heaven.

  187. foreverblessed says:

    Pat, sorry for the loss of your dog.
    we lost a little rabbit. And even that hurts, his mate is now on her own, and is grieving. She is ill now too, and it looks like the same illness that the dog of Mtman has. Sorry for the loss of your dog, Mtman.
    We have to clear the cage everyday now, or how do you call the little shed rabbits live in.
    Everyday, they could walk freely around the garden, (the garden is completely surrounded by a stone and partly wooden fence.)
    Rabbits have there own little characters, two rabbits, two different characters. And I could read what they wanted. Now that she is alone she is more inclined to have an eye for us. But the end of her is getting near.

    talking about rabbits.
    Sorry, but they are cute little creatures, we had them for our children, instead of a dog or cat.
    But it is nice to have animals walking in the garden.

    It never occured to me, that our animals would be with us in heaven. I had a little nephew, who lost a cat, just three years old, and he decided that his cat was in the cat-heaven. And I thought that a cute little solution to his grieve. Will see then….

    But heaven will be a good place, only my time on earth is now:
    …Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven ….

    We as christians together should bring some of heaven to earth.
    Little by little

  188. jeff1 says:

    As you share your sadness of the loss of your pets I think of this beautiful song from Elvis.

    Old Shep

    When I was a lad
    And old Shep was a pup
    Over hills and meadows we’d stray
    Just a boy and his dog
    We were both full of fun
    We grew up together that way

    I remember the time at the old swimmin’ hole
    When I would have drowned beyond doubt
    But old Shep was right there
    To the rescue he came
    He jumped in and then pulled me out

    As the years fast did roll
    Old Shep, he grew old
    His eyes were fast growing dim
    And one day the doctor looked at me and said
    “I can do no more for him, Jim”

    With hands that were trembling
    I picked up my gun
    And aimed it at Shep’s faithful head
    I just couldn’t do it, I wanted to run
    I wish they would shoot me instead

    He came to my side and looked up at me
    And laid his old head on my knee
    I had struck the best friend a man ever had
    I cried so I scarcely could see

    Old Shep, he has gone where the good doggies go
    And no more with old Shep will I roam
    But if dogs have a heaven there’s one thing I know
    Old Shep has a wonderful home

  189. phpatato says:

    Thank you Mtman for your care and concern.

    I have had 4 Shetland Sheepdogs over the course of my 44 years married. Like your Shepherds, Shelties are intelligent and loyal and absolutely wonderful with children.

    I am so sorry about your loss. It must have been a very somber Christmas for you. It truly is one of the hardest things to go through.

    As for your little guy with his health issues, my heart goes out to you. Watching him fail is downright gut wrenching. My little Tiny girl, as advised by our vet, was on a strict no food whatsoever for her last 3 days, in a last ditch hope that her kidneys could rest and the pancreas inflammation would subside some so she’d pull through. I was to give her access to all the water she could drink. She slowly stopped drinking water. When I looked into her eyes, as she lay so quietly on her bed, I could almost hear her saying…it’s time okay Mom? I knew in my heart it was time. Those 3 days were filled with so many hugs. Jesus gave her to us to love and have her love us and oh what wonderful years we’ve had together. As with all of my other dogs.

    We share a common empathy when dealing with the loss of a precious pet. I am grateful to have complete strangers reaching out to give me that virtual hug. It touches my heart in ways I can’t explain.

    Thank you again. I can’t see to type anymore.


  190. phpatato says:

    Again I try to trype

    Thank you Forever! I am sorry about your rabbit. Rabbit, dog, cat, bird…they have a knack of wiggling their way into our hearts. Someone said to me that the hardest part of having a pet is losing it. There is so much truth to that. Hugs to you for your loss and for the sad time ahead of you with your second.

    Thank you Viv for that song. I haven’t heard it sung but when I’m not quite so emotional I will do a youtube search to listen to it.

    Pat xo

  191. bubbles says:

    I am sorry for your loss. It’s very sad and very lonely when they are gone. Mine was my best friend and like a baby to me. I hope we get to see them in heaven.

  192. phpatato says:


    I am sorry that you too had to go through the devastating heartbreak of losing a pet. They most certainly become a best friend and like you with yours, Tiny was my baby. It is so lonely around here now. I don’t expect to get another one. Saying goodbye is just so very hard and I am at an age (I will soon be 65) when saying goodbye will be coming more often. In fact, tomorrow a friend who just lost her Mom will be sitting shiva (she is Jewish) and I will be going to express my sympathies.

    Hope. What would life be like if we didn’t have hope.

    Thank you so much for your love and concern!



  193. SFDBWV says:

    It’s interesting, that the first thing Jesus offers when He knocks at the door is “fellowship”. What does fellowship involve? Coming together.

    When we refuse fellowship with others we are also refusing fellowship with Jesus.

    The last several topics Mart has put up touches on coming together in fellowship and the work it sometimes involves.

    The work involved is the issue. Whereas all should do all necessary to welcome the outcast into the group, the fellowship of the whole cannot be jeopardized by one.

    I have often used a quote from the Amish that goes like this, “autonomy is not always best for the community.”

    Which simply means the freedom to do whatever we want is not in keeping with what is best for the remainder of the community.

    Paul said strife is sickness that affects everyone and should be removed from the congregation or the congregation will suffer for it.

    Asking forgiveness requires admission of guilt, that is the beginning of healing and as much as answering the knock of Jesus as any act we do.

    To refuse to acknowledge guilt, is a grievous act of pride and rebellion and stops one from answering the door at all and inviting Jesus in.

    The group or congregation has no control over such an offender and should not bear the consequence of such an offender’s misuse of their Christianity.

    I think this group has suffered enough.

    Maybe a time out from the group for the offender will help awaken some sense into her.
    If not the only recourse left is excommunication or the death of the congregation.

    My thoughts this morning.


  194. jeff1 says:

    I hope that you will enjoy the song, Pat, it is sung by Elvis and if ever a man could sing from the heart then he could and I will always be an immense lover of his singing.

    I love watching ‘Columbo’ and in one of the episodes ‘Johnny Cash’ played the role of the killer.

    When Columbo finally caught his man he said to Cash any man with a voice like yours cannot be all bad.

    People are complex and why I see the need to let God understand what I don’t understand in others.

    I learned from my earthly dad that the only person I need to keep right with God is myself and he did that with continuous scrutiny of himself along with prayer and confession.

    I could see my dad pray and he didn’t need to be on his knees but sitting smoking a cigarette on his chair looking out from the window of our house into the skylight and muttering the words if it pleases God.

    If ever a man thought like Paul he did as he had no expectations of God other than to please Him.

    It is his example that showed me how blind I was in that I wanted God to take my side and fulfil my will while he knew that God leads and he/I follow.

    How easy it became for me to play God while my dad knew that it is pleasing God should be my concern.

    How different our walks as he walked in the light of God’s truths while I wandered, stumbled and despaired until I accepted that I was not trying to please God but wanting God to please me.

    Again C. S. Lewis gets it right in his quote:

    “God has not been trying an experiment on my faith or love in order to find out their quality. He knew it already. It was I who didn’t. In this trial He makes us occupy the dock, the witness box, and the bench all at once. He always knew that my temple was a house of cards. His only way of making me realize the fact was to knock it down.”

  195. poohpity says:

    Pat, I am so sad for your loss. I can empathize with losing a dearly loved member of the family, it hurts down to the bone. “Rainbow Bridge” is a really good comfort during this time.

    Joyce, you repeated the question I asked, “What exactly have any of you given up to follow after Christ or to share His word?”. For me, I think the very first thing I gave up was blame and in working out my salvation I learned to take responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings and actions or else I would never see my need for a Savior and ask that question be “saved from what?” because I will know. I gave up the desire of living my life to please people and be accepted by them for what pleases God. I gave up holding onto anger, grudges and resentments as my salvation is being worked out to be quick to forgive, show mercy and share the grace I have been shown. I am still working on giving up defending myself knowing that Jesus will do that for me but I am still in the process of working out my salvation and I tremble at the thought that unless I forgive I will not be forgiven nor will I be shown mercy or grace if I do not show that to others either.

  196. poohpity says:

    Steve, could you share with me where Paul says strife is a sickness and should be removed from the congregation? The only time I read that Paul said anyone should be removed from the congregation was when a man was sinning blatantly by having sex with his step mother and no one in the congregation addressed the issue, so Paul did.

  197. poohpity says:

    Joyce, my oldest son once said that he was angry with me because I put the Lord first in my life and not him. My reply was unless the Lord is first in my life my love for him would not be worth much. That was because my time with the Lord in my devotions every morning always came first and I guarded that time because it was so important to me before I started my day. They got up so early so I had to get up even earlier and sometimes I did not make it, lol. Till this day I think that is why my internal clock wakes me up at 4:30 or 5.

  198. jeff1 says:

    It seems to me Pooh that you are saying there is a condition to God’s forgiveness and that is not the God that I know.

    I have come to God with my anger for my enemies and though He has convicted me there is no threat of withdrawing His Grace or Mercy but an understanding that with His help I can overcome my affliction and bear no ill towards my enemies and in doing so be at peace with God.

    As I see it when it is my desire to let go of whatever it is that troubles me then God is with me and not waiting to beat me with a big stick if I struggle but is patient in waiting until I succeed.

  199. poohpity says:

    It is not really a condition it is a proof of what we believe happened to us. It shows we believe that we are forgiven when we forgive, it is a process. It is more of a gratitude thing than a demand. Of course God realizes that it is a struggle for us that is why we are given the help we need to do it. Do you believe God forgave you? Then wouldn’t one want to do what He did for us if we are following Him. Or we could just continue to follow those around us who hold on to grudges and resentment and make excuses for ourselves if that works for ya. My hunch is that it has not brought us closer to God if we hold unforgiveness in our hearts.

  200. poohpity says:

    Viv, why is it so important to you not to forgive? Exactly what is that doing to your enemies? Nothing it is causing you problems not them. Does anger, resentment help you live your life in joy and peace or depression and anxiety?

  201. Beloved says:

    Viv I see what you are saying and agree that God helps us when we struggle to do His will. Forgiveness is a big one, sometimes it takes years of forgiving over and over again for the same offense. At least that’s been my experience.

    Steve thinking about what you said about “congregation”. Just thinking that church is a body of Christ followers that practices baptism and communion, as Jesus said we should do. This is a blog, a gathering of people sharing a common interest. A fellowship even since we’ve all gotten to know each other so well, but not church. A fellowship of believers, like a Bible Study online. Since Mart took down the rules of engagemen I guess it’s up to each individual here to decide how to proceed. Open forum here. Just thinking.

  202. Beloved says:

    From what?

    Revelation 3:14–21
    To the Church in Laodicea
    14 “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the pAmen, qthe faithful and true witness, rthe beginning of God’s creation.
    15 “ ‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. sWould that you were either cold or hot! 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. 17 tFor you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, ublind, and naked. 18 I counsel you vto buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and wwhite garments so that you may clothe yourself and xthe shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, uso that you may see. 19 yThose whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and zknock. aIf anyone hears my voice and opens the door, bI will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. 21 cThe one who conquers, dI will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as eI also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

  203. poohpity says:

    You know if we really think about it what have we done to deserve the forgiveness of God? NOTHING we do not deserve it at all but because of God’s unfailing love we are shown mercy!! So are we truly grateful for that that we should hold others accountable to us for their sins or actions rather than to God? Isn’t that again a god complex?

  204. Beloved says:

    Christ in us. I can see Christ in others, not by what they talk about or know but how they treat each other. It’s love that sets them apart from the world. Loving each other. Accepting discipline and rejoicing when Godly changes come because we know but for the grace of God there I go also. I love the unity and fellowship of believers here. But for one lone egg things would be great but God allows what God allows. Nothing will change Deb. She’s made her position clear over and over again. Imposter? Heretic? Adversary? Forgive, pray for, she doesn’t know what she’s doing??? She knows very well what she’s doing. Iron sharpens iron. Believers sharpen believers. Hot cold or lukewarm? Good to think about and let what is be what is, hopeful for a Better Kingdom eternally. Have a nice day guys. Love, Joyce

  205. street says:

    Romans 1:29
    being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,

    Romans 13:13
    Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.

    1 Corinthians 3:3
    for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

    2 Corinthians 12:20
    For I am afraid that perhaps when I come I may find you to be not what I wish and may be found by you to be not what you wish; that perhaps there will be strife, jealousy, angry tempers, disputes, slanders, gossip, arrogance, disturbances;

    Galatians 5:20
    idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

    Philippians 1:15
    Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will;

    1 Timothy 6:4
    he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,

    Titus 3:9
    But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

  206. street says:

    9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

    Hebrews 12:25
    See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.

    16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

  207. street says:

    poo the LORD rebuke you.

  208. Beloved says:

    Forever I’ve been thinking about your painting and trying to make water look real. Oh I love it! Wish we could see the final result. You’ll have to let us know if you were successful!

  209. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    February 28, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Viv, why is it so important to you not to forgive? Exactly what is that doing to your enemies? Nothing it is causing you problems not them. Does anger, resentment help you live your life in joy and peace or depression and anxiety?

    If you think that 30 years of witnessing hatred, violence and murder can be forgotten just by forgiving then you are badly mistaken Pooh.

    The memories I have carried in my head cannot be forgotten but I have to learn to live with them.

    I am doing that through my faith in trusting God with the past, present and future rather than getting angry and letting my enemies steal my joy.

    Yet, there are reminders of the violent past all around me so it is not something I can avoid but I have to focus on God and I am a manic depressive so there is a struggle of the mind that distracts me and draws me away from God’s love and reminds me of what used to be.

    I am not trying not to forgive but to forget as this is not a quarrel between me and another believer but an historical war that won’t go away and I am tired of war as it brings nothing but misery for all caught up in it.

    People talk of forgiveness but there is no evidence in this world of it from what I see as the Irish still hate the English and you Americans have plenty of enemies so its the same old world with the same old hatred in it.

    God knows the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  210. foreverblessed says:

    Whatever a “coincidence” this talk of losing pets!
    I loved the song Jeff gave, Old Shep, Feb 27 around 6pm.
    He couldn’t ….
    Our little rabbit is gone home….
    She was very brave, walked with bad legs, the back legs, dragging them behind her, going through the garden, as if nothing was wrong, she did not seem to worry about all that was wrong in her little body.
    Such an encouragement to me.

    Do not worry, consider the little rabbit, that just go on, merrily grazing the grass in the garden, not fretting about her limping…

    ( My own little verse ….)

    But this afternoon she is no more. My husband made an end to thema suffering. Today she fell on her side and could not get up on her own. My husband found her like that this morning.

    His father always had rabbits, he kept them to eat them, and he often helped his dad. So he is used to maling an end to rabbits lives.

    I couldn’t
    That’s what Jeffs song was about.
    I prayed about it, laying the matter before God.
    And I thanked Him for giving such a positive example to me through her.
    She was a scary anxious thing, we got her crime the “rabbit” asylum, so we call it here. Slowly she would lose her anxiety, nanometer per week.
    But when she became ill she was dependent on us to pick her up and put her in the garden. That’s how she learned how to be touched by us. How that resembles humans and God

    Sorry, for the long story.
    May God comfort Pat, Mtman, Bubbles, and alle others who have lost.
    May we get closer to Jesus
    He is the Resurrection and the Life!

  211. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks you Beloved for your concern, my head is doing fine:
    I am training myself to keep saying: Jesus is my Healer, instead of noticing what is going wrong in my head.
    I am a slow learner, but forward upwards and everyday a nanometer more faith from above.
    Turn my eyes upon Jesus.

    And if the painting is a succes you will hear about it.
    Waters flowing from our inner parts, if we believe in Jesus!

  212. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce I just want to clarify that this “blog” is more to me and others than “just a blog”. In my humble opinion anywhere two or more people gather together in His name is a congregation of believers, the body of Christ if you will and the Body of Christ is indeed a Church. In fact it is “The Church”.

    Each person here, to me, is not a cyber stranger, rather have become friends and more. I weep with them, pray for and with them and grieve with them.

    The same I would do for any member of whichever church I may attend.

    I often provide communion here in my own home for my family, any friends and myself.

    A congregation is a gathering of believers, and we here have gathered together as Christians.

    I am sad that you don’t see us here on a par with people you attend your church with.

    I do.


  213. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Street, such a Scripture search takes time and I appreciate it very much.


  214. Beloved says:

    Steve don’t be sad, I love you all here and even know you better than most at my church, up north here stoicism and individuality is the norm. Share too much and it’s easy to get shunned, if you know what I mean. I’m just saying we as part of the Body don’t function as the church does, but as a public blog in format. There are hundreds of onlookers here that never post. I did not know you also as does Pooh perform communion in your homes. I’m way out of your league, lol. Probably most everyone’s here. Oh well, I’m ok with who I am, not to worry. just saying we can’t take communion or perform baptisms together, maybe I’m being legalistic? Could be.
    LOve, Joyce

  215. Beloved says:

    I guess I Timothy 6:4 applies to me. Sorry.

  216. jeff1 says:

    Here we get to understand the different struggles we face and that helps me to see what others come through in their faith life and that encourages my own faith when I may feel discouraged on my own journey.

    There can be misunderstanding or disagreement because as I see it we are broken in different ways but we all are trusting in Jesus and a better world to come.

    We may not agree on how God works but we agree that He does work and that is what motivates our faith as I see it.

    I won’t tell another how to practise their faith as whatever works in bringing you closer to God and less threatened in a world that can be intimidating then God be with you on your way.

    I always find partaking of the Holy Communion strengthens me and why I am glad our church has monthly services while some only have twice a year services.

    Your not out of my league, Beloved, as I am very much a member of the congregation and partaking rather than performing.

    Some are born to be leaders and others to follow.

  217. Beloved says:

    You are so right viv. I was thinking earlier I talk way to much about my spirituality as that’s my passion. It’s hard to find those kinds of friendships to share with which is what I’ve always longed for. Probably best just to share one remark about the topic then go with whatever happens next, staying away from details, which I’m also interested in as far as discovery. But knowing when to keep things to myself. LORD help!

    I’ve always been a follower, not deacon material. A regular pew warmer, lol. Leaders need someone to lead! As a follower I need to learn when to shut up. More discipline to learn which I’m not good with.

  218. street says:

    i lol a the comment of being around stoics. i guess in person i would be one with a terrible sense of humor. this makes me think of jeff’s problem of moving forward with all pain and sorrows of the past. mart speaks of the problem of moving forward. i think the problem is with us not the other side.

    was thinking and discussing david numbering the people. it talked about God’s anger burned against israel. for the first time i got wif of why. the people where negligent in carry out the responsibilities of the tent of meeting. in the end david secured the land for a new Temple and it’s rightful place in God’s plan. it also led to the unfolding of promises to the Anointed and David’s Thrown. the two linked together forever.

  219. street says:

    Some are born to be leaders and others to follow.

    all to be conformed to the image of Christ.

  220. phpatato says:

    Thank you Pooh. Rainbow Bridge has brought me much comfort over the years. God Bless the person who penned it.


  221. poohpity says:

    street, Get behind me Satan! “You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

    Anyone can type “strife” in a search box on biblegateway and bring up the scriptures it is used in but that does not show that one understands the context that the word is used in them. But no one was kicked out of a congregation because of the strife mentioned by Steve, it just shows who is still worldly and consumed in the flesh and just shows those who still need to stay in the congregation to learn and grow. Learn the teaching of Jesus, not human philosophies or nonsense of worldly thinking. Set your mind on things above, not on earthly things.

    Anyone on this planet will be kind to those who return it but where the heart meets Jesus is being kind, gentle and loving to those who do not return it and those who get on our every last nerve, now that is someone that the Lord has made His home in their heart.

  222. street says:

    street, Get behind me Satan! “You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

    So are we truly grateful for that that we should hold others accountable to us for their sins or actions rather than to God? Isn’t that again a god complex?

    13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

    Luke 17:3
    Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

    1 John 5:16
    If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.

  223. street says:

    Learn the teaching of Jesus, not human philosophies or nonsense of worldly thinking. Set your mind on things above, not on earthly things.

    this question is not for poo but the other’s.

    where is the rainbow bridge in the Bible? did any of the prophets mention one in regard to pets?

  224. street says:

    United Methodist Church affirmed the teaching of God’s Word that marriage is between one man and one woman. In a vote of 438-384, delegates from around the world attending the church’s General Conference in St. Louis

    384? reminds me of the parable of the 10 virgins.

  225. phpatato says:

    Street, Rainbow Bridge is a grief poem that was written by the author Unknown. A google search with rainbow bridge in the search box will bring up this poem. I have lost 4 dogs throughout my married life. Someone directed me to that “poem” years ago after I lost my first dog. It brought comfort to me by allowing me to hope that we will be reunited with our pets in eternity. That hope is shared by many many pet owners.

    So to clarify, rainbow bridge, to my knowledge is not mentioned in the Bible regarding pets. It is a secular writing penned probably by someone who had lost a pet to help other pet owners in their time of grief.

  226. Beloved says:

    I read it was the churches in Africa making the difference. The Word of God still thrives.

  227. street says:

    Ephesians 1:9-11
    9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

    Jeremiah 27:5-7

    5 “I have made the earth, the men and the beasts which are on the face of the earth by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and I will give it to the one who is pleasing in My sight. 6 Now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant, and I have given him also the wild animals of the field to serve him. 7 All the nations shall serve him and his son and his grandson until the time of his own land comes; then many nations and great kings will make him their servant.

    Genesis 3:20-22

    20 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living. 21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.

  228. street says:

    we have quit doing animal sacrifices 2000 years ago for a reason. yet they will be required in the future. if i remember right animals did not sin against God at the fall. animals have changed as mentioned in the Bible, because of God’s will. they have always been a symbol of the innocent dying for the guilty. if you have been around pets long enough you know they can display guilt and contempt too.

    makes me think of the serpent on a staff.

  229. jeff1 says:

    My dad taught me something I needed to know and that is that God is not here for my convenience and indeed C.S. Lewis mentions it in his quotes.

    If I think God is here to settle scores for me then I am far from God’s ways.

    The old me believed in settling scores but I have since seen the futility but I had to learn the lesson while my dad knew better because he knew God and followed his ways.

    Some are born to lead because their insight to God is the miraculous work of God.

  230. poohpity says:

    Romans 12: If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

  231. poohpity says:

    Isaiah 11: Out of the stump of David’s family will grow a shoot—
    yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root(Jesus).
    And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
    the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
    the Spirit of counsel and might,
    the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.
    He will delight in obeying the Lord.
    He will not judge by appearance
    nor make a decision based on hearsay.
    He will give justice to the poor
    and make fair decisions for the exploited.
    The earth will shake at the force of his word,
    and one breath from his mouth will destroy the wicked.
    He will wear righteousness like a belt
    and truth like an undergarment.

    In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together;
    the leopard will lie down with the baby goat.
    The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion,
    and a little child will lead them all.
    The cow will graze near the bear.
    The cub and the calf will lie down together.
    The lion will eat hay like a cow.
    The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra.
    Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm.
    Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,
    for as the waters fill the sea,
    so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord.

    In that day the heir to David’s throne
    will be a banner of salvation to all the world.
    The nations will rally to him,
    and the land where he lives will be a glorious place.

  232. Beloved says:

    Thinking about struggles in the church..

    “Men desire to have a good reputation, and yet they desire the sweetness of evil. Nothing is more pleasantly opposed by them than that truth which lays them open to themselves and to the eyes of others, their greatest concern being how to deceive the world and their own consciences. But the time will come when they will be driven out of this fool’s paradise, and the more clever their manipulations have been, the more their shame will be.” Richard Sibbes, The Bruised Reed

  233. poohpity says:

    street, do you think it is right to use scripture to prove your point or to teach us what God has said to help us get closer to Him? I know you may not understand this but here goes any way, it is loving when we see a brother/sister that is caught in SIN because sin leads them away from God and we approach them in humility rather than condemnation to help them get on the right track again but disagreeing with others or seeing things differently is not a SIN, it is just a pride pricker to a big ego but to a student it is welcomed because it is mind opening to listen to other points of view.

  234. poohpity says:

    Joyce, I bet that really spoke to your heart.

    Usually as we read scripture, if we read scripture, the Lord uses it to speak to the heart of the one reading it similar to a mirror but not as a weapon to be used against others.

  235. poohpity says:

    What wonderful lesson I learned on ODB today.

  236. poohpity says:

    The scriptures, the written word, are also used for us to Discover the Living Word and His interaction with His creation. So not only can see ourselves but God and who we are to Him. Think of all that is revealed about God in His inspired word and if we use them to look at others rather than ourselves we are actually not honoring the whole story when we take bits and pieces out of the whole to back up human understanding and reasoning, one misses the whole big massive point.

  237. Beloved says:

    Well, it’s snowing again today with negative 30 wind chills coming up this weekend. Fears of flooding this spring also. Huge loaders are busy trying to clear mountains of snow from parking lots and roadsides, as even more snow is predicted for March. Snow is so pretty, I don’t mind watching it fall, so silently, peaceful even. I have a beautiful spring bouquet of flowers in the window, a promise of things to come from the frozen earth. Looking for things to come, Easter, Jesus return!

  238. foreverblessed says:

    Saved from what?

    There was a bible verse this week, on Biblegateway,

    1 John 3:5
    He appeared so that He mighht take away our sins.

    So saved from what:
    From our sins.

    And that might be it…

    But a few verses there is written:
    The reason the Son of Man appears was to destroy the devils work….

    Is that then the same as being saved from sin?

  239. poohpity says:

    Yes saved from the wrath of God that our sins deserve.

    A song of Moses Psalm 90: Who can comprehend the power of your anger? Your wrath is as awesome as the fear you deserve. 12 Teach us to realize the brevity of life, so that we may grow in wisdom.

    “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when His righteous judgment will be revealed.” (Romans 2:5)

    In other words, the things Jesus said about heaven and hell are true. Hell is for unrepentant lawbreakers who didn’t receive forgiveness for their sins. Heaven is for repentant lawbreakers who came to realize they deserve God’s wrath. And they came to believe Jesus endured their punishment on the cross.

  240. Beloved says:

    Forever I read the verses after the one you quoted, it seems to explain your question, to me anyway. Devil/Sin destroyed.

  241. Beloved says:

    Thank you deb for your contributions today.

  242. foreverblessed says:

    Rom 2:5
    the original greek says: the day of wrath,

    (Comp. also, in the New Testament, Luke 17:30; Acts 2:20; 1Corinthians 1:8; 1Corinthians 5:5; 2Corinthians 1:14; 1Thessalonians 5:2; 1Thessalonians 5:4; 2Thessalonians 2:2; 2Peter 3:10; 2Peter 3:12; Revelation 6:17; Revelation 16:14.)

    The wrath of God:
    When the sun was darkened, and the moon red,
    Acts 2:20
    Wasn’t that the day when Jesus hang on the Cross?

  243. Beloved says:

    Saved from?

    Saved from counterfeits, those who by earthly, sensual ways of tickling ears only seek to destroy. Saved TO have love joy and peace! Sometimes a counterfeit can open our eyes to what is NOT love, joy and peace!

  244. Beloved says:

    Forever that speaks to a future happening. See revelation 16:14

  245. poohpity says:

    Don’t we still sin and isn’t the devil still actively participating in drawing us away from God?

  246. Beloved says:

    Sin and satan lost all power at the cross. We sin because we choose to. Who do we serve? Satan has power we allow him to have in our lives.

  247. cbrown says:

    Beloved,I am going to Mankato,Mn Sunday night for business meetings Monday and Tuesday. Trying to prepare mysef for -15 on Sunday night. Last night in our Bible study in prison we used “Our Daily Bread” 2/28/19 “Great News” as a basis for the study with emphasis on hyssop.Exodus 12:22 and referenes in Leviticus, Psalm 51:7 and then John 19:29-30. Love to all.

  248. Beloved says:

    Mankato! It’s about 10 degrees warmer than up here, but it’s the wind that really makes it bad! Praying Gods mercies for your travel and a cozy hotel room!

  249. street says:

    unity in the essentials,
    liberty in the non-essentials,
    charity in all things.


  250. jeff1 says:

    Farther Along

    We’ll understand it all by and by –
    Tempted and tried we’re oft’ made to wonder
    Why it should be thus all the day long
    While there are others living about us
    Never molested, though in the wrong

    Farther along we’ll know more about it
    Farther along we’ll understand why
    Cheer up my brother live in the sunshine
    We’ll understand it all by and by

    When death has come and taken our loved ones
    Leaving our homes so lonely and drear
    Then do we wonder how others prosper
    Living so wicked year after year

    Farther along we’ll know more about it
    Farther along we’ll understand why
    Cheer up my brother live in the sunshine
    We’ll understand it all by and by

  251. Beloved says:

    I understand it’s because of God mercy. He’s so good!!!

    43 “You have heard that it was said,‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.

    For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

    46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers,9 what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be pperfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect

  252. jeff1 says:

    Love Divine, All Loves Excelling

    1 Love divine, all loves excelling,
    joy of heav’n, to earth come down,
    fix in us Thy humble dwelling;
    all Thy faithful mercies crown.
    Jesus, Thou art all compassion;
    pure, unbounded love Thou art;
    visit us with Thy salvation;
    enter ev’ry trembling heart.

    2 Breathe, O breathe Thy loving Spirit
    into ev’ry troubled breast!
    Let us all in Thee inherit;
    let us find the promised rest.
    Take away the love of sinning;
    Alpha and Omega be;
    end of faith, as its beginning,
    set our hearts at liberty.

    3 Come, Almighty, to deliver;
    let us all Thy life receive;
    suddenly return and never,
    nevermore Thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    serve Thee as Thy hosts above,
    pray and praise Thee without ceasing,
    glory in Thy perfect love.

    4 Finish then Thy new creation;
    pure and spotless let us be.
    Let us see Thy great salvation
    perfectly restored in Thee.
    Changed from glory into glory,
    till in heav’n we take our place,
    till we cast our crowns before Thee,
    lost in wonder, love, and praise.

  253. street says:

    2 SAMUEL 15:13–26

  254. street says:

    Psalm 17

    awaken my soul

  255. street says:

    Knock. Knock.

    Who’s there?


    What do you want?

    Let me in.

    Why do you want me to let you in?

    So I can save you.

    Save me from what?

    From what I’m going to do to you if you don’t let me in.

  256. Beloved says:

    Sometimes Truth is hard to bear. Nothing to joke about unless it makes you uncomfortable.

  257. Beloved says:

    It just occurs to me that to only expect God to SAVE us from illness, poverty, war, prison, enemies or worse is only half-way pie in the sky thinking. Thinking about what Jesus said about loving, forgiving and praying for our enemies can only be done by understanding the purpose of the cross. And the great sacrifice of our great God. A practitioner of Hindu or Buddhism has learned to deny self and love enemies in hopes of attaining spiritual oneness with the universe, perfection. Everything taught is a counterfeit, a denial of the deity of Christ in God. A real “feel good” now way of escaping troubles. But Jesus says we must walk as He walked (sermon on the mount comes to mind) and trust in Him alone for final salvation. Not to necessarily avoid troubles but to help and pray for those in need of love food medicine shelter clothing etc when possible.

    So why do I need to be saved, saved from what? Saved from philosophies, false religions of man. Saved from trying everything I can to avoid the pains of the world, my neighbor in trouble. Saved from not entering Gods government, and dwelling with Him forevermore! Saved even from relying on my own intellect, worldly wisdom and emotionality.
    Just a few things I’ve been thinking about.

  258. Beloved says:

    Thinking only God can put a heart of flesh where a cold, stoney heart once was. He’s the one who initiated the change, not us. It’s up to us to answer the door. He does the rest.

  259. poohpity says:

    “Can we hear anyone inside saying, “From what? Go away… Leave us alone… We don’t need any.”?” I was thinking about that this morning those who have answered the knock and opened the door who are now inside know the very answer to the question “saved from what?”. They do not need to guess or suppose, they know. So I do not think that anyone would be inside and not know “saved from what?”. But then—

    The second question “Can we imagine a room full of people who have everything but a hope, a trust, and a “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”— to die for?” Yes I can because even those who say they are Christians lack hope, trust, etc. As the Lord said in Rev 3:17 NLT

    In the sacrificial system of the OT they offered sacrifices to stop the Lord’s anger from burning against them, to admit when they had sinned total awareness because of the law which is also good for us to recognize the sin within us. They also used sacrifices to celebrate the Lord’s provision, to worship Him just for who He is but all done to recognize God first in their lives and how undeserving they were for His mercy because of their constant rebellion. Jesus was the final complete sacrifice above all others and only by Him is there “a hope, a trust, and a “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”— to die for”.

  260. poohpity says:

    People who sit inside the door and still can not see their need or on the other hand still fear the wrath of God? So did they ever really answer the door? If they say they did who was it that was really knocking?

  261. poohpity says:

    God wants us to be with Him now and forever, so He did everything to make that possible! Do you believe?

  262. jeff1 says:

    Father I Place Into Your Hands

    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things I cannot do.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things that I’ve been through.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The way that I should go,
    For I know I always can trust You.

    {Verse 2}
    Father, I place into Your hands
    My friends and family.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things that trouble me.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The person I would be,
    For I know I always can trust You.

    {Verse 3}
    Father, we love to see Your face,
    We love to hear Your voice.
    Father, we love to sing Your praise
    And in Your name rejoice.
    Father, we love to walk with You
    And in Your presence rest,
    For we know we always can trust You.

    {Verse 4}
    Father, I want to be with You
    And do the things You do.
    Father, I want to speak the words
    That You are speaking too.
    Father, I want to love the ones
    That You will draw to You,
    For I know that I am one with You.

  263. street says:

    saw something like this on facebook by His stripes we are healed, Lord heal a friend/some one through me today.

    another thought came to mind today, the idea of praying for help or strength….is good, but what i really need is mercy and grace in abundance, to give to others.

  264. Beloved says:

    I saw that also. I wondered how does God heal through me? Could it be Love? Does Gods love draw others as it drew me to Himself. Could that be what Jesus is offering waiting for someone to open the door? Are we “saved from” hate, hurt, anger, vengeance, poverty of soul? The list goes on and on. PRIDE!

  265. Beloved says:

    From what?

    How about guilt. Saved from the guilt of our sins. That’s a big one for me.

  266. jeff1 says:

    Why Me Lord

    Why me Lord
    What have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the blessings I’ve known
    Why me Lord
    What did I ever do
    That was worth love from you
    And the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay
    What I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord
    I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand
    My soul’s in your hand

  267. jeff1 says:

    Hail to the Lord’s Anointed

    1. Hail to the Lord’s Anointed,
    great David’s greater Son!
    Hail in the time appointed,
    his reign on earth begun!
    He comes to break oppression,
    to set the captive free;
    to take away transgression,
    and rule in equity.

    2. He comes with succor speedy
    to those who suffer wrong;
    to help the poor and needy,
    and bid the weak be strong;
    to give them songs for sighing,
    their darkness turn to light,
    whose souls, condemned and dying,
    are precious in his sight.

    3. He shall come down like showers
    upon the fruitful earth;
    love, joy, and hope, like flowers,
    spring in his path to birth.
    Before him on the mountains,
    shall peace, the herald, go,
    and righteousness, in fountains,
    from hill to valley flow.

    4. To him shall prayer unceasing
    and daily vows ascend;
    his kingdom still increasing,
    a kingdom without end.
    The tide of time shall never
    his covenant remove;
    his name shall stand forever;
    that name to us is love.

  268. street says:

    “The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation…” says “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.”

    1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel:

    To know wisdom and instruction,
    To discern the sayings of understanding,
    To receive instruction in wise behavior,
    Righteousness, justice and equity;
    To give prudence to the naive,
    To the youth knowledge and discretion,
    A wise man will hear and increase in learning,
    And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel,
    To understand a proverb and a figure,
    The words of the wise and their riddles.

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
    Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

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