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Lost Love

Can’t remember whether I  first read Jesus’ words to Laodicea (Rev 3:20) before or after sensing the dark mood of Edgar Allen Poe’s famous, “Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.“

’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door—Only this and nothing more.”’

In an apparent descent into madness, the narrator describes the sorrow of lost love.

Interrupted by what he thinks is “nothing more” than an unwelcome visitor— he finds himself tormented by the taunts of a demon-raven who, in the narrator’s apparent loss of a loved Lenore, will only admit to being “nevermore.”

If you’ve been following the conversation of the last couple of posts, you know we’ve been weighing the merits of a “knock-knock joke” that explains how our “good news” can be heard.

In the last one, we alluded to a quote from the book of Revelation that pictures Jesus knocking outside the door of a church. (Revelation 3:14-22). Now we come to Poe’s “nodding, nearly napping” wonder of who it is tapping and rapping at his door— followed by repeated thoughts of “nothing more” and then “nevermore”.

I remember being in a foreign hotel, awakened in the middle of the night by a disturbance in the hall, followed by a pounding at the door. Was afraid to unlock and open. Thought thugs wanted in—until I recognized the urgent voice of a friend and opened the door to find the hallway full of smoke.

So, how can we help those who misunderstand our story of One knocking at the door of a burning building— as if the good news is “nothing more” than a bothersome visitor or salesman to ignore?

Seems to me that the answer won’t be found in what sounds like the tortured logic of a loving God who came to save us from his own angry threats.

If we don’t see the human fear and rage in those who wanted to get rid of Jesus, we lose sight of what it means to be loved by one who can and has borne our anger — only to return again and again, tapping, rapping, knocking, pounding— with a request to show us what we are missing and doing to ourselves and one another.

If we don’t hear all that precedes and follows Jesus—Revelation as much as Genesis— in light of a Divine intent that misunderstood words don’t explain, we’re left, for the moment, with a notion of “nothing more” than a bothersome visitor, raven, or door to door salesman… as we slip into the illusion and madness of being loved— nevermore.

 

 


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  1. Mart DeHaan says:

    Because I posted later this morning, and because of the importance of what Jeff1 posted earlier today, am copying below:

    Jeff1 says:
    March 4, 2019 at 5:46 am (Edit)
    Why Me Lord

    Why me Lord
    What have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the blessings I’ve known
    Why me Lord
    What did I ever do
    That was worth love from you
    And the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay
    What I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord
    I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand
    Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    jeff1 says:
    March 4, 2019 at 6:20 am (Edit)
    Hail to the Lord’s Anointed

    1. Hail to the Lord’s Anointed,
    great David’s greater Son!
    Hail in the time appointed,
    his reign on earth begun!
    He comes to break oppression,
    to set the captive free;
    to take away transgression,
    and rule in equity.

    2. He comes with succor speedy
    to those who suffer wrong;
    to help the poor and needy,
    and bid the weak be strong;
    to give them songs for sighing,
    their darkness turn to light,
    whose souls, condemned and dying,
    are precious in his sight.

    3. He shall come down like showers
    upon the fruitful earth;
    love, joy, and hope, like flowers,
    spring in his path to birth.
    Before him on the mountains,
    shall peace, the herald, go,
    and righteousness, in fountains,
    from hill to valley flow.

    4. To him shall prayer unceasing
    and daily vows ascend;
    his kingdom still increasing,
    a kingdom without end.
    The tide of time shall never
    his covenant remove;
    his name shall stand forever;
    that name to us is love.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    I’ve looked several times at the Weather Channel’s information on the internet after plowing the overnights snow and it remains saying that it is only cloudy as reported by the radar image. Yet it continues to snow and pretty heavily at that.

    Wondering what inane act is it that causes me or perhaps us to keep looking at a weather report that like the groundhog continues to be wrong?

    In chemistry as well in other things there is a term, “didn’t take.”

    It appears when we apply a catalyst to solution or even an issue sometimes it just doesn’t take.

    Any teacher among us will tell you that for some of their students no matter how hard they try to get a lesson across, for some students sometimes they just don’t get it, the lesson just doesn’t take.

    For me to not take means more that reading, hearing or even understanding the message, there is something else that has to take place in order for the matter to set in to change things. This catalyst is what the matter “take”.

    Jesus taught in one of His parables about sowing seeds among good soil, and rocky terrain. Sometimes the seed is able to take root and sometimes it is unable to because of the unreceptive soil or lack of soil.

    For some answering the door is just that answering a door knock and hoping to stop the noise.

    It may be hard for some of us to realize but some people are just never going to get it, the message is just not going to take. And all we are left with is frustration.

    As for me with regards to continuing to go to the weather Channels door, I just keep hoping for a better forecast against the evidence of the weather outside my window.

    I guess hope keeps me searching for answers, answers that I want.

    Steve

  3. poohpity says:

    I heard someone say that they did not want to ask Jesus into their heart yet because they did not want to let go of all the fun they were having. Let me see they were partying(drinking/drugs), unfaithfulness to their spouse, holding on to grudges, anger and unforgiveness, gossip, slander, lies and they thought that was fun, gee, rather than seeing how that was causing ruin to their lives as well as to those they said they loved.

    I guess it is hard for people to see that the things they cling to so tightly are actually the very things that do not allow them to be their real selves and all that God had intended them to be, individuals, unique in their own rights from things that hinder their growth and maturity.

    God does not seem to want us to be someone other than who we are yet people think that is exactly what following Him means, giving up our own identity. Obviously all the things we think we give up are nothing compared to allowing the freedoms we have in Christ, now that is real fun being set free from the captivity of things that take away and hide us from honesty and realness. Real love allows us to be and make the choice to love back without being forced or coerced in doing so.

    I did not ever want to go to my grave without experiencing real love. Thank God for Jesus because now I have experienced real love not human love but pure love in all of it’s various forms and actions.

  4. bubbles says:

    “And Can It Be” comes to mind. The love of God cannot be understood, and it is humbling that God CHOOSES to love us. This past year God’s mercy has been contemplated often. I will forever be humbled and thankful to God for both.

  5. Beloved says:

    This is such a sad post to me right now as my friend who professed to be a Christian is dying, yet only wants her non believing friends with her. Even telling me not to tell our pastor friend she is refusing food because she doesn’t want him praying around her anymore. She gets angry with me when I mention God. She never knew Him, is obvious to me now. This woman who knows her Bible better than most, prayed often and for others…. Nevermore, a true madness. How can it be?

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Can you believe it, it still is snowing…Ugh!

    Being a fan of poetry I couldn’t help but think of two other Poe poems, “The Pit and the Pendulum” and “The Tell Tale Heart”

    I think it could be easy to segue both into a lesson of the struggle between God and man.

    For those among us who have never heard a raven. It is one of those really startling things. Setting quietly in the forest as the raven glides through the timber with no apparent effort, no flapping of the wings as it silently glides along with only a guttural sound hardly detected.

    He sneaks up on you.

    Of course he can make quite a squawking display if necessary.

    But given the eerie and macabre poetry Poe produced, I can easily see someone standing in the cemetery at the grave of someone they loved and suddenly looking up and seeing the dark jet black raven setting atop a gravestone staring them. Staring at them as if it knows something they don’t.

    When my father in law was in the hospital following several disabling strokes he told me he could see angels dancing on the walls of his room, he liked that. However that guy standing outside of his door he didn’t like at all, he scared him. I told him that guy could not come in the room as long as I was there because I have the Lord with me and he can’t be in the presence of the Lord. So my father-in-law never slept unless I stayed with him.

    He later on accepted the Lord before his death as he had told me it was too hard to do when I had ask him if he had made his peace with God. But make his peace he did and died no longer afraid of that man outside the door.

    Steve

  7. mtman says:

    I believe that Jesus stands ready at the door but the person on the other side has to be ready to respond. Some are very happy in their sin, lifestyle or denial. They want nothing to do with Jesus. Some are willing to answer the door but keep their lifestyle and do not want to embrace love because it will make demands on their life. Others have seen those who have embraced Jesus and his teaching but see they really are faulty or impostors who pretend to follow him.

    I think others are drawn by the inner knowledge of the Holy Spirit and want more from this festering world and its bad examples. I think most who are drawn to Him are led by friends or family. The steps may not be instant but they have seen in someone else’s life change and they want that too.

    First as committed Christians we must make a friend. That means going out of our comfort zone to befriend a non-believer. Then we must be a friend to that person – not lecture, criticize or domineer them but be a friend just like the Lord called us to be. Not try to change them but let them through friendship see by example who we are and hope they will want the same thing.

    Lastly if they do want what we have found to then lead them to Jesus. Tell them how much he loves them and bring that person to Jesus and then let him do the rest. Then they will be willing to answer that door when they hear knocking or his voice.

    I have personally witnessed the inner battle in people who have made the choice to answer that knock. It can be a very scary battle they can go through but I have also seen the peace and transformation when they actually invite Him into their life by answering that knock. One business leader ask me to assist him to the alter and he turned his life over but he fought his inner battle all the way down that isle. When he turned his life over a visible peace came over him.

    Not all respond to a knock on their door but I have seen many turn away when well intended Christians tell them what they need and act superior in doing so. Being critical and all knowing as to what they need. If you love that non-believer you will respect their opinion, let them make the decision and prayerfully and gently lead them to Jesus by example.

    Some will answer that knock, some won’t and some will wait until another time and some will never answer. Our job as Christians is to let them know who is on the other side of the door and while disappointed sometimes, respect their decision and keep being a friend willing to bring them to Jesus and let him do the rest.

    Be patient and when that door is opened and Jesus is invited in be happy for them and continue to be their friend and not just move on.

  8. street says:

    She never knew Him, is obvious to me now. This woman who knows her Bible better than most, prayed often and for others…. Nevermore, a true madness. How can it be?

    beloved, who can wonderstand a human heart? sometimes we do things to get God’s attention just like a child in school getting the teachers attention. jonah and job got God’s attention. we will get it when He has all of ours. it is a time to pray for your friend and let God be God.

  9. street says:

    after reading the post today this though came to mind…
    seen and not heard.

    the pure in heart shall see God.

  10. street says:

    In an apparent descent into madness, the narrator describes the sorrow of lost love.

    yes we are born into a world of madness and hopefully loving parents. as we grow old the scars of sin start to take there toll before the bell. hehe. yes a madness of nothing vs the joy of a loving benevolent God. yes we are well aware of the emptiness of self.

    steve mention the parable of the soils, smile, was thinking about it the last 12 hours too. mostly in regard to the idea that soil has a geography too, a place or a location. the 3 unproductive soils had a place that hindered fruit. the book of Ephesians speaks of a place or location from which to view/live life from, not to be missed. makes shakespeare line to be or not to be take on a bone. a culture in love with death? can these bones live again? only you know LORD.

  11. poohpity says:

    As John shared what Jesus said about the lukewarm or self sufficient believers in Laodicea rather than being neither hot or cold which is what Jesus said He would rather prefer. Notice it was not John himself that talked about the status of the hearts of people in that church but it was Jesus Himself who addressed their hearts, which for those who trust God we know He is far better at determining that than human beings are.

    I guess it comes down again to having a god complex thinking I have the ability to determine what is in the heart of someone else. I can look at scripture like a window to give my opinion of others or as a mirror to see if my own heart has grown lukewarm, or have I lost my first love, etc.. Have the struggles in life taken over my relationship with God so that I do not need His love any longer because I think I can find it else where?

    Is there someone knocking at our door to save us from being overcome by smoke because they care for us or for personal gain of some sorts for themselves? Jesus seems to have always and in all ways wanted to benefit us, His creation to give us something that only God can give, a nearness and love that is never lost but will bring a benefit and enrichment to every area of my life.

    But if I am looking at the words of Jesus as a window then I will miss the benefits of the mirror to see my own neediness.

  12. street says:

    Lost Love
    have to admit mart i was stunned this am over the title of the new post. like i wish a saw this one coming. i did not. a surprise and a smile? yes

    paradise lost
    lost love

    love redeemed
    paradise restored

    thinking christmas easter pentecost, Christmas Easter Pentecost. they have and order just like the the perpetual festivals of israel. passover first-fruits in-gathering Passover First-Fruits In-Gathering.

    a birth a death a new life.

    consuming fire that never burns out.

    when you pass through the flames they will not hurt you. not because of what we have done, but because of what He has done. a cause for eternal joy and thanksgiving. a love restored.

  13. street says:

    Interrupted by what he thinks is “nothing more” than an unwelcome visitor— he finds himself tormented by the taunts of a demon-raven who, in the narrator’s apparent loss of a loved Lenore, will only admit to being “nevermore.”

    resigning oneself to despair and death, over rejection and sin in an economy that eats it’s young is one thing, but God never stopped loving us!!!!!!!!!!!! we sometimes forget Father can do the impossible. teach a child while they are young and they will not depart from it! creating children in the image of God, not individuals, but of the many One. it seems we took division to an extreme that was never intended. which makes me think of the last point, to bruise the head of the serpent. yes there will come a day we will never go there again. abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. light cast out darkness. Jesus the Light of the world.

  14. street says:

    Now we come to Poe’s “nodding, nearly napping” wonder of who it is tapping and rapping at his door— followed by repeated thoughts of “nothing more” and then “nevermore”.

    thinking of the 11 sleeping in the garden. then nevermore. what a difficult night that was! joy comes in the morning, the gift of tears.

  15. jeff1 says:

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-ties

    Took His people by the hand
    Led them ‘cross that barren land
    Pharaoh chased them night and day
    But the angel of the Lord kept him away

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-ties

    A humble carpenter by trade
    You’ll know him by the works he made
    No towers of stone, nor works of steel
    But a wooden cross on a wind swept hill

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-ties

    No boulevard, no avenue
    Not a road by man can carry you
    A highway built by hands unseen
    To that city of gold for eternity

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-ties

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-ties

    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    A mighty, mighty bridge to Heaven
    Jesus built a bridge to Heaven
    With three nails, and two cross-tie

  16. jeff1 says:

    Oh Love, that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in Thee;
    I give Thee back the life I owe,
    That in Thine ocean depths its flow
    May richer, fuller be.

    Oh Light, that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to Thee;
    My heart restores its borrowed ray,
    That in Thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    May brighter, fairer be.

    O Joy, that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to Thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    And feel the promise is not vain
    That morn shall tearless be.

    O Cross, that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from Thee;
    I lay in dust’s life glory dead,
    And from the ground there blossoms red
    Life that shall endless be.

  17. Beloved says:

    Love Divine, all love excelling,
    Joy of heav’n, to earth come down;
    Fix in us Thy humble dwelling,
    All Thy faithful mercies crown.
    Jesus, Thou art all compassion;
    Pure, unbounded love Thou art;
    Visit us with Thy salvation,
    Enter every trembling heart.
    2
    Breathe, O breathe Thy loving Spirit
    Into every troubled breast;
    Let us all in Thee inherit,
    Let us find the promised rest.
    Take away the love of sinning;
    Alpha and Omega be;
    End of faith, as its beginning,
    Set our hearts at liberty.
    3
    Come, Almighty, to deliver,
    Let us all Thy life receive;
    May Thy presence e’er be with us,
    Never more Thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    Serve Thee as Thou wouldst approve,
    Pray, and praise Thee without ceasing,
    Glory in Thy perfect love.
    4
    Finish, then, Thy new creation;
    Pure and spotless let us be;
    Let us see Thy great salvation
    Perfectly restored in Thee;
    Changed from glory into glory
    Till with Thee we take our place,
    Till we cast our crowns before Thee,
    Lost in wonder, love and praise.

  18. SFDBWV says:

    One of those stories of Scripture that has always troubled me for some unsure, precisely undefined reason is the one Jesus teaches about prayer.

    The story is about a friend visiting you (Luke 11:5-13 KJV) having no bread you go to another friend knowing he has plenty at midnight and knocking at his door he tells you to go away, we are all asleep and its late.

    However through persistence he gives you everything you want just to get rid of you.

    We have talked a great deal about what it is Jesus offers as well as what we lose when we don’t listen and accept His invitation. However Jesus, like the lesson of the friend, persists because if He don’t your need won’t be met and you most likely aren’t even aware of how important taking care of that need is.

    It is His love for you that keeps Him knocking at the door.

    Some may just ask Him in and listen to His story just to get Him off their back. Perhaps they just don’t believe Him, maybe they already have a belief system that makes them happy.
    Maybe they are just tired of hearing the same old message and want to see some proof. There may be a lot of reasons why people reject Jesus’ offer, but some do reject, while worse, some twist His offer to meet their own view of how they want it to be.

    Ever notice how some people listen to your speech, but don’t hear it at all?

    We are the workers Jesus has sent into the world to knock on doors and present the Gospel, are we persistent or are we ho hum about doing God’s work? Are we hot or cold or just lukewarm?

    Are we safe in Christ or not?

    Disturbing…

    Steve

  19. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, all these questions I have about other people, I have them too.

    Sometimes these questions are overwhelming to me…

    There is nothing I can do about other people, you cannot ofrce them to listen to you.
    Then the thought enters in:
    You take care that you yourself is connected to Jesus.
    The only place where I can be whole is with Him.
    I was out for the weekend, and did read the new topic, there was bad wifi. So I had a lot of thinking about it:
    Do I let Jesus in, am I quiet at close to Him, or do I sit wiht Him for a moment and then wander off again. Is my heart really a cradle for Jesus, (as Bach wrote these songs in the Weihnachts Oratorium, the Christmas mass. The theme is: Jesus was born in a cradle on earth, but is He born in your heart too?)
    Can I let my heart at peace, I let Jesus in, and He can stay there?

    It was a good theme to meditate upon. And the inner peace was more stable.

    Now about revelation 3:20

    I had not read the verse about Laodicea,and I had that heavy feeling about lukewarm people, Oh no dear Lord, let me not be lukewarm.

    But last night I did read Revelation 3:20, and was greatly comforted!

    “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will go in and eat with him, and he with Me.”

    And this morning I was thinking, everyday Jesus wants to come in and dine with me. Do I let Him in everyday?
    Do I let Him in this morning, and let Him have breakfast with me?

    It is just not so much as letting Him in, as if He would have left Him during the night.
    But in the morning, do I wake up and the first thing that my attention is to, is towards Jesus!

    And it was a very comforting thought to me: This morning He wants to have breakfast with me, again
    (But now I am repeating myself)

    Thithe, the first thing
    First thoughts in the morning…
    They are for My Lord and Master, Jesus!

  20. foreverblessed says:

    This weekend was also a family feast. And I was thinking about me being a witness. I was talking to Jesus about it, because people have closed there ears about Jesus. As Soon as you mention Jesus, closed doors.
    But the knowledge that our witness is not only in words, but in BEING, when they see me, do they see Jesus?
    “They had been with Jesus”

    So this I can do: BE CLOSE to Jesus, every waking moment, as soon as I think again about Him, and His life must grow in me.
    I should have faith in the life of Jesus, I should have assurance that as I have my eyes on Him, He grows in me.
    And people will see Jesus in me, the more and the more.

    My sister has been saying to me that her partner says that he finds me a happy person. And as I was not a happy person, but very heavy, and depressed, having had my eyes too much on the prophecy bible verses of the bible as a child, then on the Saving capacities of Jesus. And having seen the world scenes, the environmentol breakdown, the pollution, I was depressed as a teenager in the seventies.

    In the nineties I found the real essence of the bible: That is new life in Jesus, a spiritual life! And my focus was changed towards Him.
    repentance: change of view about Jesus.
    Jesus, my Saviour, even if I have been grown up in a church amd have kept the laws, I still need Him. His spiiritual life flowing through me, and cleansing me, strengthening me.

    So if somebody says that I am happy, then I can only conclude: Jesus is growing in me, that is sure!

    So be of good cheer, you are walking on the right path, in the right direction!

  21. poohpity says:

    How can the Lord’s “good news” be heard?

    Well when Jesus has knocked at our door and we have opened it to let Him in and as we are eating our meal together He says, “Love others as I have loved you” and “Forgive others as I have forgiven you” and “Love your enemies and do good to them” that is how people will know you are my disciples by not only sharing the “Good News” but living it.

    Our response could be to follow His lead/teaching OR to turn away because that is not what I signed up for. I want people to apologize before I forgive them, I want to only be nice and kind to those who are nice and kind to me, I want to curse those who do evil to me not bless them. If you Lord are asking me to do those things then I want no part of you, your love is lost on me, I guess I misunderstood your story. I want my will not yours, how could you ask me to do anything that is against my natural instincts? Knock on the door of someone else.

  22. poohpity says:

    If you want to know how they will know watch this video on you tube. “They will know we are Christians by our love”. Individuals who have been blessed by God to do good together.

    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    And we pray that our unity will one day be restored
    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    Yeah they’ll know we are Christians by our love

    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    And we’ll guard each man’s dignity and save each man’s pride
    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    Yeah, they’ll know we are Christians by our love.

  23. poohpity says:

    Lord I want you to come in and eat with me but I only want the part of you that forgives me, that shows me mercy and grace; I do not want the part that in gratitude I have to do what you have done for me to others especially those I find difficult or that disagree or are rebellious or hate as I once was to you.

  24. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    I like Poe’s poems, even though he was a tortured soul and an addict. the sadness of The Raven is haunting to me, having lost some loved ones recently. But, Poe’s brain was working impaired. Was Lenore a believer? I’m guessing not…

    The church at Laodicea, it seems to me, had soaked in the surrounding culture so completely that trust and faith in Jesus Christ were dulled. Here is the Lord seeking to wake them out of their stupor — and the costly gift He wishes to give is rejected out of apathy. Maybe this letter made a difference!

    Revelation speaks again and again of “patient endurance.” Not a strong virtue in humanity! We grow into it I believe, after we open that door and spend quality time with Jesus. It must be a priority, as MtMan said, to patiently make friends with those who haven’t gotten to know the Lord yet.

    We buried a 16-year-old who died in a tragic auto wreck this past week-end. It is profoundly sad to see her get away from us so young. She was a wild child, but compassionate and loyal to friends in need. She had given her heart to Jesus when she was young. We are trusting in God’s faithfulness in her final cry to Him. We pray and believe she is enfolded in His loving arms.

    23F/-5C here. Clear and sunny.

    Blessings all day,
    Maru

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Pleased to see you post Maru. I have wondered about you given the winter weather you have been experiencing out there.

    Old man winter just don’t want to give up here or for Mtman either, and I am sure Saled has gotten her fill, not to forget Joyce and Mart.

    Hope springs eternal, and bubbles and I are certainly hoping for spring to show up sooner rather than later.

    Am very sorry to hear of the sixteen year old girl you mentioned. Death is never welcome and always sad.

    Good to see you again.

    Steve

  26. street says:

    steve i think the story is about persistence. remember the story about the unjust judge and the persistent widow? granted the guy in bed and the judge have something in common, they have us! fast forward to the One that is knocking at the door. we know He is Loving and impartial. yet when He knocks, do i clean up my house before i let Him in? or do i just let Him in? He comes daily because i am a mess. remembering in the Old Testament where a high priest is standing before the Lord and He instructs His servants to remove the rags the priest is wearing. he is given new garments. after new cloths, i suspect an assignment. the cross. thinking about david with sauls armor comes to mind. learning and serving in a new world. thinking about the armor of God it is for our protection in darkness. lambs

  27. remarutho says:

    Yes Steve —

    It has been frosty, but no ground freeze. I am only 65 miles from the coast, so the Coastal Range are my mountains. There is much more snow in the Cascades and east. Want to start turning the garden over, but can’t work when I can’t keep warm outside. Guess I am getting old.

    Watching for Spring over here as well. We are weary of winter. Going to Daylight Savings Time next Sunday won’t make it warm, but it is progress toward spring!

    The community showed up to honor our little Sophomore last Sunday. So many tears, but truly not a case of “nevermore.” We believe God for His faithfulness to us and to her. It is amazing to me how the Father reaches out and places a mighty hand over his child. “No,” says the Lord, “this one is Mine, not yours Satan.”

    Happy Shrove Tuesday!
    Maru

  28. Beloved says:

    CT has an article on the meaning of Shrove Tuesday. I’ve never heard this before, I guess it’s similar to Mardigras. Gluttony does make me happy indeed, but only for a very very short season. Ugh. Anyway, was wondering if viv eats pancakes today? Just curious.

  29. jeff1 says:

    We Call on Him

    We call on Him whenever storm clouds gather
    We call on Him to light our darkest day
    Why must it be that only when we’re lonely
    And hopes are dim, we call on Him

    Why don’t we call on Him before we lose our way
    To count our blessings and thank Him while we may

    We call on Him when no one else will answer
    We ask of Him a reason to go on
    When our cup of joy becomes a cup of sorrow
    Filled to the brim, we call on Him

    Why don’t we call on Him before we lose our way
    To count our blessings and thank Him while we may

  30. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, normally would, like them with butter, lemon and sugar but not having any today. Hope you enjoy yours.

  31. Beloved says:

    I’ve got fish on the stove today. Just because I like fish!

  32. poohpity says:

    Maru, this is the first time I have heard of it. It cracks me up before one deprives themselves for 40 days to stuff themselves especially when God said, “I do not want your sacrifices I want you to show mercy”. So maybe for forty days we practice showing mercy, forgiveness and grace rather than denying ourselves luxuries in life which seems sort of meaningless. Or for 40 days spending each of those days in God’s word and doing something good for someone that they do not know who did it each day, things that will actually make a difference.

  33. street says:

    logged in on crome today on another pc and saw something different. words in blue and underlined.
    read Jesus
    foreign hotel
    good news
    hear all
    opened in another window other words in blue and some that were are not now.

    anyway the highlights made me see something different christians in a foreign hotel, smoke! city of destruction comes to mind.
    good news at the door warning of eminent danger
    hearing them out
    you have to ask, how did i get here without my first love? why am i alone? what did i miss from Genesis to Revelation? the self is strong on this one, but He is stronger. be strong in the Lord comes to mind. renewing your mind. daily bread from heaven. fountain of living water. thinking about the flow of grace from the thrown of God. you can follow it all the way back to Him. thinking about watching young children playing in a pool on a hot summer day. Savior always on duty. beware of foreign pools of water. yes i noticed the raven and remember how God cares for them. i am that raven, nevermore.

  34. street says:

    knocking at the door/gate of judgment. to pass or not to pass. a judgment is rendered. without the shedding of blood there is no remission/forgiveness.

    Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

    4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

    “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
    and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,

    the self dies hard.

    To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

  35. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    March 5, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
    and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,

    Thank you Street, I fear that I do loose heart when I know God has had to rebuke me because I seem to repeat my weaknesses rather than overcoming them which causes me to be sorrowful.

    I seem to be always needing refuge rather than making progress and that disheartens me.

    Pass Me Not O Gentle Saviour

    1. Pass me not, O gentle Savior,
    hear my humble cry;
    while on others thou art calling,
    do not pass me by.
    Refrain:
    Savior, Savior, hear my humble cry;
    while on others thou art calling,
    do not pass me by.

    2. Let me at thy throne of mercy
    find a sweet relief,
    kneeling there in deep contrition;
    help my unbelief.
    (Refrain)

    3. Trusting only in thy merit,
    would I seek thy face;
    heal my wounded, broken spirit,
    save me by thy grace.
    (Refrain)

    4. Thou the spring of all my comfort,
    more than life to me,
    whom have I on earth beside thee?
    Whom in heaven but thee?
    (Refrain)

  36. Beloved says:

    Viv I think fellowship with God and Christ is the most important thing, which you certainly have. We don’t choose our circumstances, if we are His He chooses what is best for us. (Though I might disagree with Him from time to time). I just read this:

    1 John 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

  37. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, in my head I loose that fellowship and perhaps that is why I depend so much on the heart for companionship and He walks with me and He talks with me and He tells me I am His own and the love I find as we tarry there no one has ever known.

    In the Garden

    I come to the garden alone
    While the dew is still on the roses
    And the voice I hear, falling on my ear
    The Son of God discloses

    And He walks with me
    And He talks with me
    And He tells me I am His own
    And the joy we share as we tarry there
    None other has ever known

    (He speaks and the sound of His voice)
    (Is so sweet the birds hush their singing)
    And the melody that He gave to me
    Within my heart is ringing

    And He walks with me
    And He talks with me
    And He tells me I am His own
    And the joy we share as we tarry there
    None other has ever known

  38. SFDBWV says:

    “So how can we help those who misunderstand our story…”

    In the story of David being informed of the death of Saul, the messenger was killed because David didn’t like the message or the messenger’s attitude (2 Samuel 4:10 KJV).

    The delivery of bad news is never welcome.
    However when the “Publishers Clearing House” people show up at your door it is with balloons and a little party.

    So how do we “help” deliver the message of the Gospel so that the person hearing it doesn’t misunderstand it?

    It becomes a matter of being anointed by God to be able to deliver the message.

    Too many of us think because of Matthew 28:19-20 KJV and Mark 16:15 KJV that we are empowered to be evangelists or preachers or messengers, but without the anointing, without waiting for it, we fail.

    The best message we can deliver is our own attitude and lifestyle.

    People don’t like being “preached” to, so don’t.

    When you get into a room full of “preachers” no one is listening because everyone else is talking.

    It is Jesus who is knocking at the door, it will be Jesus who sets the time and the place and the message will come from Him at a time when the recipient is most open to receiving the message.

    We can’t do God’s work without His anointing us to do it, all we do is mess it up on our own.

    So be sure if you speak for God, God has empowered you to do so. Until then show the message by how you live and interact with others.

    7 degrees f and about 2 inches of fresh snow.

    Steve

  39. jeff1 says:

    Have Thine Own Way, Lord

    Have Thine own way Lord
    Have Thine own way
    Thou art the potter I am the clay
    Mold me and make me after Thy will
    While I am waiting yielded and still

    Have Thine own way Lord
    Have Thine own way
    Search me and try me Master today
    Whiter than snow Lord wash me just now
    As in Thy presence humbly I bow

    Have Thine own way Lord
    Have Thine own way
    Hold over my being absolute sway
    Filled with Thy spirit till all can see
    Christ only always living in me

  40. poohpity says:

    The message we are sent to share is the love God has for us. Remember when you fell in love with someone you could not wait to introduce them to everyone you know. Learning that that person loved you so much no matter who you are or what you have done but because of who He is, one is so quick to tell others. Normally they would want to shout it from the roof tops. A love that is like a fire within and it has to come out or they would burst. It does not take an evangelist to do that it takes one who has experienced it and can not wait to tell others, come and meet the One who knows everything about me yet still loves me.

    The kind of love that no matter the circumstances that come my way I know He will always be here. He does not often change the circumstances but changes how I see them and how I respond to the trials and troubles in my life or that I see in the lives of others and in the world. A love that changes hearts and minds. Of course if one has never experienced it they have nothing to share. They say they love God but it is because of what they think He can do for them and when He does not comply with their demands they walk away and the fire goes out if it was ever there in the first place. Never praising Him for who He is and being able to have a relationship with the God of all creation, that would be enough all in and of itself.

  41. poohpity says:

    Do Something by
    Matthew West

    I woke up this morning
    Saw a world full of trouble now, thought
    How’d we ever get so far down, and
    How’s it ever gonna turn around
    So I turned my eyes to Heaven
    I thought, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    Well, I just couldn’t bear the thought of
    People living in poverty
    Children sold into slavery
    The thought disgusted me
    So, I shook my fist at Heaven
    Said, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    He said, “I did, yeah, I created you” (now listen)

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yeah
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    I’m so tired of talking about
    How we are God’s hands and feet
    But it’s easier to say than to be
    Live like angels of apathy who tell ourselves
    It’s alright, “somebody else will do something”
    Well, I don’t know about you
    But I’m sick and tired of life with no desire
    I don’t want a flame, I want a fire and
    I wanna be the one who stands up and says
    “I’m gonna do something”

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yes it is, come on
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    We are the salt of the earth
    We are a city on a hill
    We’re never gonna change the world
    By standing still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now
    It’s time for us to do something
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    It’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something

    Or we could be like the Raven and think there is nothing more and then nevermore and misunderstand that whole reason that we were saved. Maybe the question should be “Saved for What?”.

  42. street says:

    lost love
    lost life
    lost hope
    lost trust

    life of trust
    life of hope
    life of love
    life in Christ Jesus, The Author of Life
    The Redeemer of the lost
    By the Blood of Christ
    The Rescuer of the dead
    New Life in The Holy Spirit of Christ

    Resurrection Life
    out of darkness, Light
    Jesus the Light of the World

    we needed humility
    we needed thankfulness
    we needed mercy
    we needed grace
    we needed life

    God gave us Jesus

    Wisdom from God

  43. street says:

    lost conversation
    thinking about moses at the Rock the second time.
    we remember moses lifting the staff at the red sea. pretty cool. we remember the serpent on the staff. we even remember moses striking the Rock the first time and water all over the place. who could forget winning the battle as long as the staff was lifted up. moses need help. seems to me we are just to speak to God and God is to do the rest. sure moses was told to do things and he did. the last thing he was told to do was speak and he did not but stuck-out on his own. moses did enter the promise land, but only at the mountain of transfiguration with His LORD and God. thinking about the day moses died. God took him up on the mountain across from the promise land and showed him the land across the way. i wonder what it was like to turn your attention away from God and then turn it back to God? i know what distractive driving is but i have never known and undivided attention and communion with God. therefore a Savior. a trust a hope and a love that will never end.

  44. Beloved says:

    Beautiful

  45. Beloved says:

    Nevermore, shall I leave you or forsake you. You believe in God, believe also in Me. Nevermore, will I leave you or forsake you. Evermore, I will be your God and you will be MY people. Everlasting love.

  46. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the SURPRISE some will receive when they turn to Jesus, expecting to be shamed or blamed or struck down. My daughter- in-house law calls it a “go to Jesus meeting”. Expecting nothing good. Nevermore rings true in her thinking. Always praying for her of course.

  47. Beloved says:

    Delete ” house”.

  48. street says:

    a trust a hope and a love that will never end.

    a covenant, a will, an inheritance! a Sonship! an Adoption! a hope of God as Father a Father’s love that will never end. not even death could stop it. the Father raised Jesus up so that He could continue to love Him. returned to His Father presents and to be honored by all creation.

    Jesus speaks of the father of the pharisees. John 8:44
    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

  49. street says:

    who came to save us from his own angry threats.
    angry threats or rule? what kind of rule?

    if the devil doesn’t kill us God surely will.

    thinking of Deuteronomy 32:39
    ‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

    i like the idea of looting the strong man’s house.

  50. jeff1 says:

    In the Sweet Bye and Bye

    There’s a land that is fairer than day,
    And by faith we can see it afar;
    For the Father waits over the way
    To prepare us a dwelling place there.
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore;
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore.
    We shall sing on that beautiful shore
    The melodious songs of the blessed;
    And our spirits shall sorrow no more,
    Not a sigh for the blessing of rest.
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore;
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore.
    To our bountiful Father above,
    We will offer our tribute of praise
    For the glorious gift of His love
    And the blessings that hallow our days.
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore;
    In the sweet by and by,
    We shall meet on that beautiful shore.

  51. street says:

    no lost love here.

    2 SAMUEL 1:1–16

    King Saul has destroyed the entire tribe of Amalek, at God’s instruction, sparing only the king and some of their flock (1 Sam. 15). We do not know how this young Amalekite in our reading has escaped. It would be understandable for him to hate Saul for this genocide and decide to kill the king to avenge his people. His motive, however, benefits nobody but himself and, having taken refuge among God’s people as a sojourner in Israel, it is hardly excusable for him to slay God’s anointed.

    With Saul and his bodyguard dead from their own hands (1 Sam. 31:4–6), the young Amalekite sees his chance and takes it. He collects the royal insignia and hurries off to deliver what he thought would be good news to the putative successor and thus ingratiate himself into royal favor. He even lies in order to credit himself for ridding David of what seems to be the only obstacle between him and the throne.

    However, on more than one occasion David has refused the throne via assassination (1 Sam. 24,26), and he certainly is not going to countenance regicide at this point. The Amalekite’s charade of mourning in the form of torn clothes and dirt on the head backfires spectacularly, costing him his life.

    There are many who, like Saul of Tarsus, are mistaken in the beliefs they hold and propagate enthusiastically. Many do so with the conviction and zeal of that young rabbi, although some, no doubt, share the mercenary interests of the young Amalekite of our text. Whatever their motivation, unless they repent, their end is destruction.

    this was from scripture union a few days ago

  52. Beloved says:

    Slow to Anger
    As the God who was “slow to anger,” God withholds His judgment on sin or patiently endures as He gives sinners the opportunity to repent (2 Peter 3:9). He is ever so slow to reach the point where He must express His divine wrath. He is longsuffering to those who are falling short of His desires, yearning that before judgment must fall, they will repent of their godless practices.

    from tms.edu

  53. Beloved says:

    love waits

    18 Therefore the Lord waits to be gracious to you,

    and therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you.

    For the Lord is a God of justice;

    blessed are all those who wait for him.

  54. foreverblessed says:

    What Psalm was that Beloved?

    Today on Utmost, somebody gave Psalm 100,
    Verse 3
    Know that the Lord is God

    It also means to say:
    KNOW God

    Get to know Him

    That is a theme I can have in mind when communicating to an unbeliever.
    Like Mtman said: be a friend. Love! Makes a heart soft.
    Let them find out themselves, do ask questions, that the mind is woeling, sering wrong reading:
    A God who has to save us from His own wrath, as Mart put it.

  55. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how it is in my waiting for God that I have seen my need of Him.

    SFDBWV says:
    March 6, 2019 at 6:03 am

    It is Jesus who is knocking at the door, it will be Jesus who sets the time and the place and the message will come from Him at a time when the recipient is most open to receiving the message.

    We can’t do God’s work without His anointing us to do it, all we do is mess it up on our own.

    If I look at the world today I see that when people try to run ahead of God and try to think for God that is what happens because it is not God’s intention that I lead Him but that He leads me.

    I had a dad ‘who got that’ and it’s because he seen that it was for him to be on God’s side that he did get it while I find that the thinking of many Christians today is that God should be on their side.

    People change God to align with their own beliefs while God is waiting patiently for them to come to Him and align with His ways.

  56. jeff1 says:

    LEAD ME TO THE ROCK THAT IS HIGHER THAN I

    Oh! Lead me to the Rock that is higher than I
    Lead me to the Rock and there let me lie
    Safe and protected, sheltered and dry
    Cradled in Your arms as the waves crash nearby

    I can’t stand on my own anymore
    I’m losing sight of the distant shore
    I need help from the One I adore
    I cry out from my very heart’s core

    Stability is so hard to find
    My body’s weak, confusion in mind
    Looking in wrong places, peace to find
    Desperate to escape, to unwind

    Please lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock called Jesus
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock called Jesus

    My fading eyesight wanders away
    Dark waters close in with each new day
    The sun has lost its warm healing ray
    Lord, I’m so sorry, I’ll kneel and pray

    My Father, without You, I am lost
    I know how much for Your Son, it cost
    It cost Him, cost You ’cause I was lost
    You’re my Rock, forever. At all cost

    Chorus
    Oh! Lead me to the Rock that is higher than I
    Lead me to the Rock and there let me lie
    Safe and protected, sheltered and dry
    Cradled in Your arms as the waves crash nearby

    Oh! Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock called Jesus
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock
    Lead me to the Rock called Jesus

    Chorus
    Oh! Lead me to the Rock that is higher than I
    Lead me to the Rock and there let me lie
    Safe and protected, sheltered and dry
    Cradled in Your arms as the waves crash nearby

  57. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks you for that song Jeff!
    Beloved I pray for your terminal friend.
    And Maru, good to hear from you, praying for comfort, for the loss of the 16 year old.

    It was meant to be: wrong reasoning, not reading!

    God, the Word, by whom all things are made, He became man, and carried our sorrows ( sins) on the Cross.

    ….
    So far for the unbelieving…
    If he can take some more:

    And is now the bread from heaven, spiritual food by which we live

    John 1:1-5
    John 6:35,51

  58. SFDBWV says:

    It is to be remembered that all of chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation, Jesus is speaking to the Church, not unbelievers.

    Also it seems that Revelation 3:20-21 KJV is a summary of all said to all the Churches, not just Laodicea. Or is it something else out of context with the continuity of what is written?

    RBC/ ODB has a very detailed study of Revelation chapters 2 and 3 that I have on DVD. It speaks more of the language used as what was going on in the societies and the church there in each city more than what it may mean to you and I as readers today, but does touch upon it.

    I have read many thoughts on the subject and have read that the two chapters have a three part intent. First the literal churches mentioned, second as its being what is called a Church age, or the culture and attitude of the Church in a procession of time toward the return of Christ and thirdly regarding each one of us and our attitude and have embraced.

    Verses 20 and 21 sounding almost like a final offering before the door is closed and as in Chapter 4 the Church is taken out of the world in the mystery of the “Rapture”. A final plea before it is too late and the offering closed.

    So after all is said and done, the invitation offered in love, is one that if not taken ends up in losing out of an escape from judgement that is coming from before the world was made.

    Steve

  59. SFDBWV says:

    Something of a continuance from my earlier posting today, I wanted to say that there is a difference between the idea of what I am going to do to you if you don’t listen and what is going to happen regardless if you do or don’t.

    It still is going to happen.

    In the “Terminator” movies with Arnold Swartzeneggar, someone always open a car door and says to the person standing outside, “Come with me if you want to live.” As well as saying “I’ll be back”.

    In Genesis 19:1-38 KJV angels warned Lot of the coming disaster, offering an escape he and his daughters escaped, but his son’s in law elected not to believe and so died in the flames of destruction, Lot’s wife disobeyed the angels warning not to look back upon the destruction and so was turned to salt.

    We are also warned and also given the chance to escape the coming judgement. We and our loved ones.

    In an earlier posting I referred to the comments Jesus made about a person having a visitor (Luke 11:5-13 KJV). The heart of this teaching I believe is about intercessory prayer.

    Abraham ask God for Lot’s salvation, what lost love of ours are we to intercede and ask for their salvation? Taught to keep asking and asking and asking. So that that lost love can be safe from coming disaster.

    If we do believe the end is near, we need to be very active in our prayer life for any or all lost loves in our lives.

    Several times I have shared a dream I had when only about 13 years of age. In it I helped to carry an individual through the dark night with police after us until we entered into an opening with the sun rising complete with all its brilliant reds and colors as angels could be heard singing by the mega millions, we had made it, we were safe.

    If you have a lost love do whatever it takes. Don’t quit, don’t give up, always hope and believe.

    Steve

  60. street says:

    forever beloved was quoting Isaiah 30:18 NKJV

    i find it interesting that God is exalted in His mercy. yet some of the translations don’t seem to bring that out.

    thinking about david be exalted by save girls and not his wife.

  61. street says:

    15 For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel:

    “In returning and rest you shall be saved;
    In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.”
    But you would not,
    16
    And you said, “No, for we will flee on horses”—
    Therefore you shall flee!
    And, “We will ride on swift horses”—
    Therefore those who pursue you shall be swift!

    17
    One thousand shall flee at the threat of one,
    At the threat of five you shall flee,
    Till you are left as a [e]pole on top of a mountain
    And as a banner on a hill.
    18
    Therefore the Lord will wait, that He may be gracious to you;
    And therefore He will be exalted, that He may have mercy on you.
    For the Lord is a God of justice;
    Blessed are all those who wait for Him.

  62. street says:

    35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

    “For Your sake we are killed all day long;
    We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

    37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

    tie me to the horns of the alter with festive bows.
    a living sacrifice.

  63. Beloved says:

    While praying for my friend this morning Jesus reminded me of His words, Lazarus, come forth! To show that He is never too late and the God of the living and the dead. I love that I can trust in God’s sovereignty in any situation. My friend is in hospice. Yes, He will be exalted!

  64. Beloved says:

    Psalm30 is beautiful. This refers not to literal morning but that coming morning of Christ’s return! We all have that promise and hope!

  65. jeff1 says:

    Faith, hope and love and the greatest is love as it brings perseverance in waiting for our loved ones to return to the fold.

    I Believe

    I believe for every drop of rain that falls
    A flower grows
    I believe that somewhere in the darkest night
    A candle glows
    I believe for everyone that goes astray
    Someone will come to show the way
    I believe
    I believe
    I believe above the storm the smallest prayer
    Will still be heard
    I believe that someone in the great somewhere
    Hears every word
    Every time I hear a newborn baby cry
    Or touch a leaf
    Or see the sky
    Then I know why
    I believe
    Every time I hear a newborn baby cry
    Or touch a leaf
    Or see the sky
    Then I know why
    I believe (Why I believe)

  66. Beloved says:

    Psalm 126: 5 wThose who sow in tears
    shall reap with shouts of joy!
    6 He who goes out weeping,
    bearing the seed for sowing,
    shall come home with shouts of joy,
    bringing his sheaves with him.

  67. Beloved says:

    I never thought of weeping as seeds before. Interesting.

  68. Beloved says:

    The Puritans prayed for the gift of tears.

  69. street says:

    thinking about david be exalted by save girls and not his wife.

    ops that’s suppose to be david being exalted/honored by slave girls and not his wife.

  70. street says:

    “nothing more” than a bothersome visitor, raven, or door to door salesman… as we slip into the illusion and madness of being loved— nevermore.

    fear and anger to get past….the poverty of self. sometimes you would think they could get out of the trouble they got into. 911 comes to mind. helps on the way. instead of putting on firefighting outfit, maybe a turn to the Rock and speaking/praying. we so like striking rocks. sometimes i forget the are living stones in God’s temple. to be carefully joined together. thanks mart, it hurts too.

  71. jeff1 says:

    Fear and anger was very real in the environment I grew up in because of lack of trust between two very different cultures and the outcome of that was catastrophic.

    Last night I watched a comedy called the ‘Derry Girls’ as if you are Irish that is what Londonderry is called.

    There was a cross community exercise where boys from the Protestant school where getting together with the ‘Derry Girls’.

    The three leaders were a priest, nun and teacher from the Protestant school.

    They where having a session led by the priest and he had a girl writing on two different blackboards, on one was similarities and on the other was differences.

    He ask each of them as to put up their hand and give him an example of what Protestants and Catholics had in common.

    When the session was over (hilarious comments in between)
    the differences board was so full there was no room to write on it while the on the similarities board there were none.

    The priest explained to the boys and girls that he was looking for feedback like, heart, cry, laugh and so on.

    At the end of the programme they where having an abseiling exercise as the idea was that a Protestant paired with a Catholic would be trusting the other to ease them down the rope.

    One of the ‘Derry Girls’ had been already told be her protestant team mate that he hated Catholics and so she tried to protest but before she could speak they had her on the rope and he was easing her down on it.

    She started to shout that he hated Catholics and that he was probably going to kill her and he protested that she picked him up wrong for he had said he hated athlics and so when it came to the end of the session they were at each others throats and the leaders were glad to see the end of it.

    They brought in the parents to speak to each of the pupils and they were given a telling of by each of their parents.

    Meanwhile one of the ‘Derry Girls’ wrote on the similarities board ‘Parents’ and her protestant team mate looked and her and they both started to laugh.

    I enjoyed this programme because it is addressing real issues but it is doing so in a humorous and forward thinking way.

    When I was young it was instilled in me, and not by my parents because they where not like that, but by my peers and the society I lived in that we were different to the Catholics and the same was taught to them but because I lived in a rural setting and we seen each other as individuals we were able to live trouble free.

    It was in the cities where Protestants and Catholics were clumped together in large housing sites that created the hatred and violence.

    This was done by Politicians who in their wisdom wanted division for it served their purposes when it came to voting and election time.

    This country has suffered at the hands of infancies and I can see now that we were all used like puppets on a string by those we trusted to rule.

    When it comes to power this world does not change much as man cannot stop himself when it comes to ‘ownership’.

    My dad never mixed politics with faith and he was very critical of a high profile Politician who did and I now see my dads wisdom and reasoning was right.

    Politics is a murky world and you cannot live in a murky world without getting dirty or that is what I have learned from what I have seen.

    Trusting God seems a wise choice when I think of the alternatives or maybe I am just too critical of human nature.

  72. SFDBWV says:

    Read a long time ago that the German soldiers at Normandy on D Day thought the Priests and Protestant Chaplin’s who rushed to attend to the dying soldiers on the beaches were Corpsmen (medical attendants).

    Neither Chaplin knew nor cared about the faith of those dying men they only knew that they needed to be there with them to help comfort them at their final hour.

    Steve

  73. poohpity says:

    Viv, it sounds like another thing they did not have in common was faith in God. They may have been called Protestants and Catholics but neither had anything to do with God in anyway. God does not promote hate even for enemies because we were once His enemies but He showed us mercy and compassion instead.

    Romans 5: Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! 10For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! 11Not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

    Sounds like Jonah as God sent him to Nineveh, Israel’s sworn enemy, to warn them of God’s impending doom because they did not believe in Him. Jonah did not want to go because Jonah knew of God’s mercies and compassion and he sure did not want Nineveh to be shown either.

  74. poohpity says:

    Mart I guess you are right when you said, “Seems to me that the answer won’t be found in what “sounds” like the tortured logic of a loving God who came to save us from his own angry threats.”. That could be how the story of God sounds to those who just do not get it or misunderstand the truth that God is a just God YET He is also merciful and full of grace.

    1 Cor 1: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?…

  75. poohpity says:

    Matt 5: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  76. poohpity says:

    Life in Christ is topsy turvey, upside down and inside out of what the world teaches! I guess that is why it is so hard for those those who still cling to worldly standards and values find it so hard to understand.

  77. Beloved says:

    So, how can we help those who misunderstand our story of One knocking at the door of a burning building— as if the good news is “nothing more” than a bothersome visitor or salesman to ignore?

    A friend in my building I’ve been slowly getting to know has decided it’s “too late” to receive any kind of love- salvation from Jesus. When I challenged her assumption she said “ I know, others have told me the same thing”. Praying that God will be God in Nancy’s never too late life. She’s 74 with multiple health issues, and haunted by demons which she says don’t scare her a bit! But I’ve seen her lose her resolve from time to time and that’s when she is most receptive to my love, patience and kindness, a gift from God. Keep knocking, LORD.

  78. SFDBWV says:

    Viv I am a fan of British TV and have watched many excellent programs. Some serious drama and some humor. British humor is very subtle yet very funny, and their dramas always touch the heart.

    There was a certain series about a nurse corps from Australia and New Zealand during WWI. It was a dramatization from the diary of one of the nurses.

    In one of the episodes the nurses came upon a group of German prisoners left medically unattended to. Upon their discovery the nurses without hesitation immediately gave care to their enemies as well as listened to them even though they did not understand them, as some of the German soldiers held tight to their Bibles speaking in German as they died.

    Doing the right thing is always recognized.

    Praying your day has been a good one.

    Steve

  79. poohpity says:

    Joyce as I thought about that just as Mart opened the door to see the smoke we can openly share by explaining what has happened by presenting the facts and correct the areas of misunderstanding, if and only if they are open to listening and want to hear meanwhile the best witness we have is how we live our lives. Do we live out what we say we believe and if we don’t live it out, it would be no better that a sales pitch or a bother? Meaningless words.

  80. poohpity says:

    Just as Jesus explained those who have been forgiven much, love much. If one thinks they do not have that much to be forgiven for they will probably be the one’s who are quick in condemnation/judgement/criticizing and slow to forgive, show mercy or grace.

  81. Beloved says:

    My favorite British shows are Call the Midwife, Downton Abbey, and of course anything Poirot. Derry Girls sounds very interesting though Viv. God is in everything everywhere. Always knocking, wooing even heart hardened broken damaged souls.

  82. Beloved says:

    Where sin abounds, grace abounds much more!

  83. Beloved says:

    Probably so pooh. Unless the LORD opens eyes and ears.

  84. Beloved says:

    If we waited until we were perfect no one would preach Jesus. Just thinking.

  85. street says:

    Can’t remember whether I first read Jesus’ words to Laodicea (Rev 3:20) before or after sensing the dark mood of Edgar Allen Poe’s famous, “Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.“

    7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!”

    Matthew 14:28
    “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

    4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.

    who is pilot?

    a time of prayer and fasting.

    thinking of a child sitting on his father lap behind the wheel of a moving car. the child holding the wheel thinking he is driving a car. all the while the finger of the father at the bottom of the wheel. the child can feel the move of the wheel and the car in his hands and the feel of resistance from the fathers finger.

    pondered, weak and weary…..yes law books put me to sleep like nothing else. another book for sleeping was called a systems manual. i always enjoyed the disclaimer in the front of the book. lol the disclaimer was enough to keep me awake….lol

    the longing for life, true life, in a Father and Son in a Holy Spirit. a life found in His Love.

  86. poohpity says:

    The one’s who share about Jesus know without a doubt they are not perfect, never claim to be and never pretend to be. It is when they share their faults as they share what He did for them that tells His amazing story.

  87. poohpity says:

    Most people always welcome someone who is not self righteous and how could we tell His story if we think we do not need His cleansing, healing, forgiveness, mercy or grace. They would be boasting and telling their own story not His. That would be one of the reasons people are unable to witness and share about Jesus because they would have to admit a need that they are unable to meet for themselves rather than relying on the Lord.

  88. Beloved says:

    Street i love your analogy of the fathers finger on the steering wheel! Time for prayer and fasting, indeed.

  89. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 16:9(NKJV)
    9 A man’s heart plans his way,
    But the Lord directs his steps.

  90. jeff1 says:

    I love Downton Abbey and Poirot too, Beloved. Steve, I would recommend ‘Dad’s Army’ if you haven’t already seen it, it’s about a home guard unit serving during the war and the characters in it are so funny.

    It’s good to laugh as when the world is all getting too much it gives me a new perspective and hope. Yes, Beloved, God is always at work especially where there is broken, damaged souls as it is when Satan is doing his worst that God is at His best.

  91. Beloved says:

    Agree Viv, as we can only talk about the weather so long then need cheering up and a good comedy is so helpful! I don’t know if you’re familiar with Mash but that’s a good one to make you laugh even in the most difficult circumstances, being set during the Korean war.

  92. jeff1 says:

    I have heard of Mash but not seen it. Friends was the most popular comedy here. Years ago I used to love Lucy and Bewitched and I think they where American weren’t they.

    When my eldest son was living with me he loved a lot of the American comedies but cannot remember the names of them.

    Thinking back to when I was very young and my mum and dad loved to watch Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy, makes me feel very old remembering the silent movies but they where very funny and my favourite was Laurel and Hardy.

  93. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    March 8, 2019 at 9:10 am

    Viv, it sounds like another thing they did not have in common was faith in God. They may have been called Protestants and Catholics but neither had anything to do with God in anyway. God does not promote hate even for enemies because we were once His enemies but He showed us mercy and compassion instead.

    Pooh, I can relate to these young people because I once was like them and so I have come far in my faith and why I can have hope for them.

    I went astray and I was brought up in a very different environment with much better chances than many in the inner city ghettos of east and west Belfast or Derry/Londonderry.

    Even today people in those areas are subjected to punishment beatings if they step out of line as paramilitaries still have control in them and the advertisements are now shown on television to show the reality of it.

    I used to visit an elderly woman who marred a man from east Belfast and he spoke to her of how in his childhood his dad would sent them with the paramilitaries to dig a hole rather than risk harm to them so I have don’t have a clue as to what others are suffering around me.

    Do you know how these non working class, no go areas, came about because the politicians of the day created them so that they could control the vote and stay in power with no thought for the people of these areas.

    Do you think that these power thirsty politicians had God in mind when they where orchestrating where catholics and protestants should live in order to keep them in power?

    Who corrupts the corrupted Pooh because people can be led astray who are not focused on God and that is the challenges facing this world today.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, Psalm 30
    talking about a morning, not a literal morning but the morning when Jesus comes back.
    I was reading that Psalm, which is beautiful, but no mention of a morning.
    Then I thought let’s look up Psalm 130,
    verse 6
    “My soul waits for the Lord more than watchmen wait for the morning, more then watchmen wait for the morning”
    verse 7
    “O Israel, put your hope in the Lord,
    for with the Lord is unfailing love
    and with Him full redemption.
    He himself will redeem israel from all their sins”

    And here I take it that God speaks to me, when Israel is written. So not only literally Israel, but for anybody who looks for God.

  95. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, I have seen a documentary on BBC on youth from Londonderry, cathlics and protestants sitting together, talking with each other, it was a program set up to bring the different groups together. That was very interesting too.
    I pray they do get closer together, with the Lord, with Jesus.

  96. poohpity says:

    History has proven that different religions cause all types of problems because they were created by man for man.

    James the brother of Jesus says; Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. 20 Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires. 21 So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls.

    22 But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24 You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25 But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

    26 If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. 27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

  97. poohpity says:

    Sadly it seems that many religions and so called religious people have let the world corrupt their very intentions, actions and beliefs. Satisfying the flesh seems to be predominant in mankind until the Day of Pentecost when the Lord poured out His Spirit on all mankind but there is a but we have to listen to Him.

    As Peter spoke to the crowds he quoted what the Prophet Joel said centuries earlier; Acts 2:17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;

    When Peter shared the people listening were pricked in their hearts and asked what they needed to do; Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

    40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

  98. poohpity says:

    We have visions and dreams of things to come. God always seems to let His people know in advance.

  99. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I was blinded when I was young and listened to the wrong people but in both my seeking and God pursuing I have come to trust God.

    God is always there, as, it is I who wander and doubt God but His faithfulness is consistent while it is mine that is not.

    I can trust God to be with these young people as He was me when I opened my heart to seeing Him.

    That is the mystery of God that He is not far away though I can feel distant from Him but that is my insecurities rather than God’s intention.

    The closer I get to God the less insecure I will feel until nothing can come between Him and I.

  100. SFDBWV says:

    Even as my generation begins to fade into history one of those things every generation shares is the heartbreak of “lost love”.

    The parable of the father who runs to welcome his lost son is a picture of God opening His arms to welcome home His lost children.

    Truth is every story of the Bible speaks to every generation.

    Ask most any bartender and they will tell you most of their patrons setting at the bar nursing a drink or a beer is crying in their drinks about lost love and most are also expert in politics.

    It may appear that politics offers a distraction from their thinking about the pain in their heart.

    The great sadness of Poe’s poem is that with the death of Lenore he has no hope. As nevermore means just that nevermore.

    We Christians believe that even after we die there is hope of seeing our loved ones who have died before us, so there is no nevermore.

    However what about those whom we loved who made the wrong decisions and face judgement and the second resurrection?

    Is there now no hope for them? No hope for forgiveness? Can we not still hope or is our hope an illusion, are we left to the sorrow and madness Poe shared with us in being loved by that one “nevermore”?

    Steve

  101. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    March 9, 2019 at 8:11 am

    We have visions and dreams of things to come. God always seems to let His people know in advance.

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  102. Beloved says:

    Forever this is what I was sharing about Psalm 30: 5 For His anger is but for a moment,
    His favor is for life;
    Weeping may endure for a night,
    But joy comes in the morning.

  103. Beloved says:

    However what about those whom we loved who made the wrong decisions and face judgement and the second resurrection?

    I assume you are talking about a wrong decision to follow Christ not just wrong decisions in lifestyle? I guess we can’t know for sure if Christ doesn’t open their eyes at the last moment before their final breath, but then I suppose scripture is clear that some go into everlasting punishment or else why the warning to the churches in Revelation.

    What About those we loved. Sentiment love cannot save anyone. True Love carries the weights of judgement and mercy, with Christ as the great balancer ( if that’s a word) of them both. That’s what I see, anyway.

    Getting ready for a foot of heavy wet snow today and tomorrow. Serious concerns of flooding by the authorities. I’ll be dry where I’m at, thank you LORD.

  104. Beloved says:

    Our job as I see it is to love everybody, friends and foes, and let God sort em out! Sound familiar? Ha ha.

  105. Beloved says:

    Lenore may be lost to him but never to God!

  106. street says:

    lost love
    thinking about a lost physical presents of Christ.
    replaced by a Holy Spirit
    soon to restored in the clouds with the Saints. no morning is mentioned there! on the other hand a new day coming at night on the day of the Lord. a day of great morning.

    when i grew up i sometimes saw a doom and gloom cartoons and rarely if ever a doom and gloom sermon. a day that comes like a thief in the night, when they were not expecting it. happy are they that are ready and serving their Lord when He returns.

    Jesus said if he had not come they would not have sin, since He came there is no doubt. is there a doubt of His love and return?

  107. jeff1 says:

    Steve, if I had all figured out in my head when it comes to knowing God then there would be no need for hope or faith.

    I have seen God work enough times in my life to trust God but to understand God’s judgements and the Resurrection is well beyond my simple faith.

    Sometimes my connection with God is just heartfelt and I cannot explain why I know or how I know what I do.

    I wish others could feel that connection as it is a real blessing to have but if others do not feel it then it is not within our power to give it to them and so God is our hope for them.

  108. street says:

    “Jesus, there’s no greater rebuke than to hear you knock on the door of our hearts, yet that knock comes like a kiss and caress. For you are the Bridegroom wooing his beloved bride. Forgive our busyness and unbelief, out preoccupation with lesser things and worry about many things. We should sooner forget to breathe than to forget to be with you.”
    The Gospel Coalition

  109. Beloved says:

    Yet that knock comes like a kiss and caress.

    Beautiful beautiful beautiful word picture. Not often do we think of that. We think we deserve an iron fist- and we do- yet God comes with meekness and humility. Truth and justice already applied to the door handle. Open our eyes and ears LORD. We want to hear and see you!

  110. poohpity says:

    One day when I was young I watched my mom as she drank some buttermilk and boy did she like it, so it made me want some too. lol Her reply was I will give you some but I do not think you will like it and I did not, not at all. YUCK

    The reason I shared that story is when our families or close friends see how much we love and trust the Lord and the joy it brings to us usually they will want to experience it too. BUT if they see us questioning God’s love and goodness walking around with a down cast face, complaining and grumbling about everything chances are they will not want any part of it. They will see nothing they desire or that looks appealing. How can we share how much the Lord means to us, if He really doesn’t? No joy, no peace, no praise, no love who would desire that?

  111. mtman says:

    I have read the last three blogs by Mart DeHaan and they all seem to be about Jesus waiting for others to call upon him. In Matthew 7:7 it says: Ask and it shall be given to you; seek and you will find; and to him who knocks it will be opened. That applies to non believers not Christians who would rush to the door to open it if Jesus knocked.

    Immediately after Hurricane Andrew (cat 5) hit Miami I was there to service our clients. Traffic lights were out, street signs were destroyed and finding our way around was a nightmare without signs to guide me. It was the same as when the wildfire went through our community last summer. I was tasked to find all the road signs that were destroyed and having lived in the community for 22 years there were so many destroyed I got lost when previously I knew my way around well. The landmarks had all been burned and destroyed and I spent much time to find my way around.

    Sticking with Mart’s knock at the door comment if the person at the door doesn’t know or hasn’t heard who is knocking on the other side they are not likely to answer the door. It still seems to me that it is Christians responsibility to tell others about Jesus. Those who haven’t heard yet and I suspect there are many, even with social media, need to hear it from a friend or relative they trust and respect in a non threatening way.

    I’ll bet they are hearing from others who have rejected Jesus, or those of a different religion or belief. Floundering around without street signs will get you lost for sure. However, if you have indicators to keep pointing the way when they get to the door they will knock or if the Lord in knocking on the other side they will be more prone to answer the knock. To continue to flounder around lost they just may get the wrong directions.

    Just my input on the subject.

  112. Beloved says:

    Just thinking, maybe it’s a glass door?

  113. Beloved says:

    Or,

    John 10:9

    I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.

  114. Beloved says:

    I like the road signs analogy MtMan.

  115. Beloved says:

    Pooh I’m with you on buttermilk, YUK!

  116. street says:

    save from what i am going to do to you.

    i wonder if it more like what we have done to ourselves?

    when we speak to others about Christ, do you look like the kid with chocolate icing on his face, when asked if you have eaten the cake you should not have?

    paul was concerned about being disqualified? must find new way to live. we forget sinners are are made in the image of God. in other words they can surprise you. the bigger surprise are church members.

  117. bubbles says:

    Speaking of Jesus knocking at the door. . . the famous painting of Him knocking on the door shows a door without a handle on the outside. As Mtnmn stated, it is our job as believers to show people Jesus in our lives because many do not understand or know who He is.

    Everyone should be important because God loves every person. They are “nothing more.” They are loved by God. Many times those hardest to love need love the most.

    As Mart shared about a knocking on a hotel door in another country, something similar happened with me. I was staying in an antebellum bed and breakfast on a cold fall night. It was one of those sharply cold fall nights in late October when the stars are especially bright and the air is brittle. In the middle of the night, the fire alarm woke me. I was upstairs and was frightened. This inn has original floor boards and floors that aren’t level. I thought if this place were to be on fire, it would be a tinder box. I was in the old part that had been built with slave labor. After checking the door, I opened it into the hallway. Many people were looking out of their doors also. I asked if anyone smelled smoke, and they all said no, so I went back to bed. The next morning I asked the people in the dining room what had happened, and they didn’t have an answer. False alarm, I suppose!

  118. Beloved says:

    Is not He who made our souls able to rectify and mend them again? —Henry Scougal

  119. Beloved says:

    4/9/2016 ODB is about the fragrance of Christ. I was thinking about what others see in me as pooh brought up earlier. I liked what the ODB author said explaining the meaning of incense in ancient celebrations. It meant two things, life or death depending if you were the victor or the loser. I think Paul talks about this also but I can’t find it right now, anyway we do give off the sweet odor of Christ if we are His. Life to the broken and death to the proud. Thank you Jesus for new life!

  120. Beloved says:

    Don’t forget to set your clocks ahead tonight, unless you live in AZ or AK. Not sure what Europe does if anything.

  121. SFDBWV says:

    I’ve been locked in on Mart’s last paragraph the last few days, as within it alone is an entire topic. Also that hideous picture of the bird along with it reminds me of my feeding rock.

    I’ve shared with the group before the difference between all of the beautiful song birds that come to feed and their gentle little songs of thanks they provide and the noise of the squawking that the black birds provide.

    Today’s world just has way too much noise in it.

    An old saying states that “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.” So it is that all the noise gets our attention.

    For some the knocking at the door has to be a pounding and unrelenting beating to be noticed. Sadly even if noticed it may be as discarded as one of a dozen robo-nuisance calls I get a day.

    As I look around me out in public all I see are people with their heads lowered, not in prayer, but attending to their “devices” like lemmings following each other to their doom.

    Small wonder that it will take a tribulation the likes of which the world has never seen before it gets people’s attention. Yet even then instead of bowing to God they curse Him for their misery.

    Even so it is always going to be my hope that God fixes all of the broken things in people that have caused them to rebel, fall away and become imprisoned and sickened by sin. I still want a happy end to the story, not a tragic one where some love is lost forevermore.

    Steve

  122. poohpity says:

    If we are concerned about what others see in us are we really concerned about whether Jesus is living in and through us. We can perform for others but the signs of Jesus having His place in us just comes along with that relationship, no performance needed. If someone is in love it is apparent. If someone is apathetic/lukewarm it is just as apparent. Who cares what anyone else thinks doesn’t one want a close relationship with the Lord then that will be just as apparent even behind closed doors when no one is watching and that is how someone will still be when someone is watching.

  123. poohpity says:

    Jesus addressed the issue of being one way in front of people and then another behind the public view or behind the door in Matt 23. He compared the difference in someone actually following after Him and those who just say they are just as He addressed that issue in Rev 2-3 in regards to the seven churches.

  124. poohpity says:

    Paul told us in 1 Cor 5 that our concerns about unbelievers should be left in the hands of God and His Spirit while we need to pay attention and warns us as to what is happening in our churches with so called believers who are more like the world then they are His followers and not to emulate them.

  125. jeff1 says:

    I lOVE YOU THIS MUCH

    1. As a child I asked my Mother, How much do you love me
    Then she threw her arms wide open for my little eyes to see
    Then she told me of a Saviour on a hill so far away
    When I heard how much Jesus loved me, my life has never been the same

    Chorus: I love you this much, then He opened His arms and died for me
    I love you this much, as He bowed His head at Calvary
    Oh what mercy was revealed, as His precious blood was spilled
    With arms open wide, my Saviour cried, I love you this much

    2. Many times we’ve heard the story, we’ve memorized John 3:16
    But sometimes we take for granted how He died for you and me
    When my heart fails to be thankful for the price He paid for my sin
    Just take me back to Calvary to see those opened arms again

    Chorus: I love you this much, then He opened His arms and died for me
    I love you this much, as He bowed His head at Calvary
    Oh what mercy was revealed, as His precious blood was spilled
    With arms open wide, my Saviour cried, I love you this much

  126. poohpity says:

    If we as believers are still missing something as Mart put it, “only to return again and again, tapping, rapping, knocking, pounding— with a request to show us what we are missing and doing to ourselves and one another.” We know that Jesus never gives up on us to reveal what we are missing and doing to ourselves and one another but are we, each individual, listening to what that may be? Are we open to His correction to get us back on a good path? Or are we passing it by as we might do to a unwanted, bothersome sales person rather than from the One who cares deeply and only wants what is best for us?

  127. poohpity says:

    Hebrews 12:5

  128. street says:

    ’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door—Only this and nothing more.”’

    a visitor? or some One, Who intends to stay?

  129. Beloved says:

    Come, Thou Fount of every blessing
    Tune my heart to sing Thy grace
    Streams of mercy, never ceasing
    Call for songs of loudest praise
    Teach me some melodious sonnet
    Sung by flaming tongues above
    Praise the mount, I’m fixed upon it
    Mount of Thy redeeming love
    Here I raise my Ebenezer
    Here there by Thy great help I’ve come
    And I hope, by Thy good pleasure
    Safely to arrive at home
    Jesus sought me when a stranger
    Wandering from the fold of God
    He, to rescue me from danger
    Interposed His precious blood
    Oh, that day when freed from sinning
    I shall see Thy lovely face
    Clothed then in the blood washed linen
    How I’ll sing Thy wondrous grace
    Come, my Lord, no longer tarry
    Take my ransomed soul away
    Send Thine angels now to carry
    Me to realms of endless day
    Oh, to grace how great a debtor
    Daily I’m constrained to be
    Let that goodness like a fetter
    Bind my wandering heart to Thee
    Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it
    Prone to leave the God I love
    Here’s my heart, oh, take and seal it
    Seal it for Thy courts above
    Here’s my heart, oh, take and seal it
    Seal it for Thy courts above

  130. Beloved says:

    Psalm 37:23-24 New International Version (NIV)

    23 The Lord makes firm the steps
    of the one who delights in him;
    24 though he may stumble, he will not fall,
    for the Lord upholds him with his hand.

  131. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    March 10, 2019 at 7:40 am
    Hebrews 12:5

    In mercy, afflictions are often sent. Spurgeon Morning and Evening, 3/10

  132. street says:

    the Lord is exalted in His mercy.

  133. jeff1 says:

    Immortal, invisible, God only wise

    1
    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
    Most blessed, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    Almighty, victorious, Thy great name we praise.
    2
    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, Thou rulest in might;
    Thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    Thy clouds which are fountains of goodness and love.
    3
    To all life Thou givest, to both great and small;
    In all life Thou livest, the true life of all;
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    And wither and perish, but nought changeth Thee.
    4
    Great Father of Glory, pure Father of Light
    Thine angels adore Thee, all veiling their sight;
    All laud we would render, O help us to see:
    ’Tis only the splendor of light hideth Thee.
    5
    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
    Most blessed, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    Almighty, victorious, Thy great name we praise.

  134. street says:

    Ask most any bartender and they will tell you most of their patrons setting at the bar nursing a drink or a beer is crying in their drinks about lost love and most are also expert in politics.

    It may appear that politics offers a distraction from their thinking about the pain in their heart.

    contemplating the law and just penalty on the party that deserves it.

    Jesus condemned all flesh on the cross, the one Who Knew no sin, became sin for us, so that we could become the righteousness of God. All Hail the Power of Jesus and the Glory of his Love. may He be found in us now and forever.Immanuel

  135. bubbles says:

    Made an error. It should have been they are NOT “nothing more.” The ARE important.

  136. poohpity says:

    This explains the experience of accepting Jesus into one’s life that we sang today in church.

    O what a wonderful, wonderful day, day I will never forget;
    After I’d wandered in darkness away, Jesus my Savior I met.
    O what a tender, compassionate friend, He met the need of my heart;
    Shadows dispelling, with joy I am telling, He made all the darkness depart.

    Chorus
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, (filled my soul)
    When at the cross the Savior made me whole; (made me whole)
    My sins were washed away and my night was turned to day,
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul! (filled my soul)

    Born of the Spirit with life from above into God’s family divine,
    Justified fully thru Calvary’s love, O what a standing is mine!
    And the transaction so quickly was made, when as a sinner I came,
    Took of the offer, of grace He did proffer, He saved me, O praise His dear name!

    Chorus
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, (filled my soul)
    When at the cross the Savior made me whole; (made me whole)
    My sins were washed away and my night was turned to day,
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul! (filled my soul)

    Now I’ve a hope that will surely endure after the passing of time;
    I have a future in heaven for sure there in those mansions sublime.
    And it’s because of that wonderful day, when at the cross I believed;
    Riches eternal and blessings supernal, from His precious hand I received.

    Chorus
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, (filled my soul)
    When at the cross the Savior made me whole; (made me whole)
    My sins were washed away and my night was turned to day,
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul! (filled my soul)

  137. street says:

    it is amazing how the dark mood of Edgar Allen Poe’s, creeps into the human heart and mind. to be renewed daily.

  138. street says:

    I can say that I never knew what joy was like until I gave up pursuing happiness, or cared to live until I chose to die. For these two discoveries I am beholden to Jesus.
    Malcolm Muggeridge

  139. jeff1 says:

    He Is My Everything

    He is my reason for living
    Oh He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    I remember my days of darkness
    Without sunshine or sight to lead my way
    But a whisper of His voice softly calling
    To the arms of my Maker to stay

    He is my reason for living
    Oh, He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    After the lighting and thunder
    After the last bell has rung
    I want to bow down before Him
    And hear Him say “well done”

    He is my reason for living
    Oh He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

  140. poohpity says:

    After entering your front door how many other doors are in your house? Some doors remain closed because we may not want anyone to see inside because we have pilled them high with stuff and it is a mess but Jesus wants to go in and we refuse, not that room Lord but He continues to knock on that door over and over until we allow Him access. He wants access to any of the doors in our house some we gladly let Him in and others we do not even want to go in ourselves but that is where a majority of the cleaning needs to take place. Which doors have you yet to allow Jesus to come in to after He has been knocking on them for years?

  141. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the dark corners of my heart I don’t even know about, until and unless by Gods mercy He illumines them. Repentance is a gift of God!

  142. Beloved says:

    Poe’s poem does bring to mind the lost loves of the past. Sad indeed.

  143. Beloved says:

    Reminding myself obedience is the hard work “I” do after answering the door. Is it joyful obedience or must I die to be truly joyful. Killing the flesh is painful, “but He is good”, to quote Mr. Beaver.

  144. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I find it is a struggle and why I find the song so encouraging.

    One Day at a Time

    I’m only human, I’m just a man/woman
    Help me believe in what I could be and all that I am
    Show me the stairway
    I have to climb
    Lord for my sake
    Teach me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time, sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m asking from you
    Give me the strength to do everything that I have to do
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Help me today
    Show me the way
    One day at a time.

    Could you remember
    When you walked among men
    Jesus, you know when you’re looking below
    It’s worse now than then
    Pushin’ and shovin’ crowd in your mind
    Lord for my sake
    Teach me to take
    One day at a time.

  145. Beloved says:

    Yes today, a good reminder viv. One day at a time.

  146. street says:

    love joy peace patients kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control……these come from God and nowhere else. it would seem God is community, if He where not, where/how could love exist? to be saved from self. made alive to God, in Christ. dead in sin made alive in Christ.

    i ,self, am crucified with Christ, it is no longer i,self, that lives but Christ lives in me, the life i live i live by faith in the One Who loved me and delivered himself up for me. to be renewed daily.

    paul labored night and day till Christ is formed in those he loved, love finds away.

  147. street says:

    labors of love. i hear they are painful.
    a labor for the lost, enemies of God.
    He Who knew no sin, became sin for us,
    that we could become the righteousness of God.

    God has highly exalted the sin bearer to
    His Right Hand.
    All Authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Him.
    given to Him, after He redeemed man from sin.
    putting an end to sin and death, in order that we
    would be conformed to His Image. yes lost love, but a love found and patiently waiting His return.

    to serve in mortal bodies for the Glory of our Redeemer. someday incorruptible bodies. what a day that will be. till then, serving as unprofitable servants who only do there duty. Lord have mercy on the children in your hand.

  148. poohpity says:

    Did God put an end to sin and death or is that a misunderstanding? Read Romans 8

  149. Beloved says:

    That really touches me, street.

  150. Beloved says:

    Back up to Romans6 pooh.

  151. street says:

    The story is about a friend visiting you (Luke 11:5-13 KJV) having no bread you go to another friend knowing he has plenty at midnight and knocking at his door he tells you to go away, we are all asleep and its late.

    However through persistence he gives you everything you want just to get rid of you.

    well steve this has caught a closer look and some speculation in my mind. first the idea of having bread and not sharing, when a person is in need? the second, is the person with bread, good or bad? good or bad, the person gave. did we get what we expected? if we didn’t get what we expected, who’s fault is it? did we believe a lie again that God is not Good? i can see why you could struggle with this since and adversary is loose with the purpose of getting rid of us.

  152. SFDBWV says:

    Street there are several things that disturb me about this passage (Luke 11:5-13 KJV). Actually most all versions are the same of the story.

    It is included in Jesus answering His Disciples as how to pray and follows the famous “Lord’s Prayer”.

    I have read several Christian commentaries surrounding the passage and while some use the concept of going to a neighbor for a friend as alluding to intercessory prayer, it is also explained as persistent prayer to God.

    Included in the passage is the explanation from Jesus that God being above human giving, gives better than a normal person would. (Luke 11:11-12 KJV).

    It begins to disturb me with the idea that God would only answer prayer after being constantly nagged about it, and that they answered only as a way of getting off His back about it.

    Seen like that is disturbing to me.

    I also have read plenty of commentaries that allude to praying for things that are in concert with His will is how we get answers. Yet much if not nearly all some of us pray for are technically in His will yet remain unanswered.

    Then there is John 5:14-15 KJV stating that we have confidence because He answers our prayers.

    And before someone jumps in saying “no” is an answer to prayer trying to answer for and explain God. Let me say tell that to a mother and father and grandparents of a 17 year old girl killed on her way to work at McDonalds by someone who ran a red light.

    Or whose child suffers for years with cancer only to die.

    Don’t really want to go too deep into what disturbs me, but I am trying to answer your questions about what I said related to what I have said about knocking on a neighbors door and asking for bread for another.

    The key here being asking for another…

    Steve

  153. SFDBWV says:

    Oh dear, It was supposed to be 1 John 5:14-15 KJV not just John.

    Fire the editor.

    Steve

  154. poohpity says:

    Isn’t the key verse in Luke 11 verse 13 when Jesus is teaching them how to pray? Luke 11:13

    Isn’t the key theme in 1 John 5:14-15 “according to His will”? How do you know what God’s will is unless your desire has been for God? What if the Lord takes someone home to be with Him before we want Him to then are we satisfied that His ways and will which are far beyond what we may understand? Suppose God does not heal someone the way or when we want them to be healed, do we not trust that Hos ways and will are far beyond our understanding. I have always believed that if God does not answer my prayers the way I would like it is for a very good reason and I may not understand that reason but I trust God that He will do what is in the best interest of all that are involved. Will it always make me happy and will I throw a tantrum because I did not get my way, possibly but then am I really trusting that God knows best?

    The importance of asking God for the gift of the Holy Spirit found in Luke 11:13

  155. poohpity says:

    What is the point of Jesus saying when asked to teach His disciples how to pray that He put in there; “Your kingdom come” in another Gospel it says; “Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”? How can anyone know that unless they have the guidance of the Holy Spirit and have put aside their will. Then one can pray if it is in your will that this or that happen but not my will but yours be done. Luke 22:42

  156. poohpity says:

    Many people walk away from God because they are disappointed that they did not get their way but those who are rooted in grounded in their belief of God trust Him above their own understanding when that faith is being tried by fire to be shown to be pure and real even when things do not appear not to go as they would want them to, their faith rises above what can be seen.

  157. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh in your desire to argue about everything you only show your ignorance, unconcern and complete lack of compassion for everyone suffering from life’s pain.

    All you show in your attempt to sound superior in understanding Scripture is your complete lack of understanding it at all.

    Because you demonstrate no fruit of the Spirit it is to be understood that the Holy Spirit does not reside in you at all.

    Once again in your zeal to be the antagonist you also show either you don’t read what I have written or are unable to comprehend it.

    So you would tell the parents of a child who died of cancer that it was God’s will for this little child to be sick and to die. Or else the child would not have died.

    That they wasted their time praying for healing or for their church to do likewise.

    That you disagree with Philippians 4:4-7 KJV.

    It remains as Charlotte said of you a decade ago, of all the people here you need the most hugs.

    Steve

  158. poohpity says:

    Oh my gosh Steve, what I see is the very things you accuse me of are what is so true about you in the all the ways you listed and your lack of faith and trust in God. The argument about what I said shows your ignorance about God and the intent of His heart as well as mine because in that you totally misunderstood as usual.

    I would never tell anyone who is suffering that it is God’s will that has never been His will, ever, I would never offer an answer that I know nothing about but simply say I do not know. It is never a waste of time to pray for anything but how God answers that prayer but I sure will not tell Him how to do it but accept how He answers. You are so confused and are speaking about things that are as different as apples and oranges.

    You were trying to teach street about what is said in that Luke passage yet you do not understand it either by leaving out the main verse. If that is seen as arguing you are not as smart as you think you are.

  159. poohpity says:

    God’s will for us, oh wise one, is plainly told to us in scripture; for us to get know Him and in that knowing we will trust and depend on Him. Then one knows without a doubt that suffering, trials and tribulations are not what was in His plan for us but to live in the comfort of His care going through those things was in His plan. But you can twist and omit scripture to say what you would like.

  160. street says:

    thinking about Psalm 18 and 2 SAMUEL 22:1–30. i guess when God repeats something He does it for emphasis. dull of hearing. in theses passages ..
    21 “The Lord has dealt with me according to my righteousness;
    according to the cleanness of my hands he has rewarded me.
    22 For I have kept the ways of the Lord;
    I am not guilty of turning from my God.
    23 All his laws are before me;
    I have not turned away from his decrees.
    24 I have been blameless before him
    and have kept myself from sin.
    25 The Lord has rewarded me according to my righteousness,
    according to my cleanness in his sight.

    as i look at theses Words?!?! in Who’s sight? we forget about God’s ability to deliver? or believe He will not? do we believe He is unjust? can He make me Just too? need to look at the cross again.

    while we are thinking about lost love and edgar………. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

    55
    “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”

    56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

  161. Beloved says:

    As I just finished a cup of coffee and feeling very full this thought came to mind, do I really understand that I am full of mercy because God dwells in me? Wow, the implications of that are life altering I think.

  162. street says:

    dear steve, the life a times of david and mephibosheth. up and down. yet and incredible roller coaster ride of weakness and wisdom displayed by great faith. mephibosheth final petition before david is staggering. mephibosheth is no stranger to suffering and neither is david.

    fast forward to the man at the Beautiful Gate. a modern day mephibosheth. peter and john changing his life forever. yes it is very difficult to see these miracles and trust God when one is so far from us. we can bring people to the table of God with preaching from bad motives, but are greatly impoverished if we fail to sit and be still. my heart breaks at lost love too. it is a time to be still and know God is God and our Redeemer lives. the innocent do suffer, but not in vain. to God be Glory now and Forever in Christ Jesus.

  163. jeff1 says:

    Having faith in God is a roller coaster ride because life is full of ups and downs and very often more downs than ups.

    It is my faith that gets me through the difficult times as I don’t have answers but trusting God in all things because I believe He is trustworthy.

    Through It All

    I’ve had many tears and sorrows,
    I’ve had questions for tomorrow,
    there’s been times I didn’t know right from wrong.
    But in every situation,
    God gave me blessed consolation,
    that my trials come to only make me strong.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I’ve been to lots of places,
    I’ve seen a lot of faces,
    there’s been times I felt so all alone.
    But in my lonely hours,
    yes, those precious lonely hours,
    Jesus lets me know that I was His own

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I thank God for the mountains,
    and I thank Him for the valleys,
    I thank Him for the storms He brought me through.
    For if I’d never had a problem,
    I wouldn’t know God could solve them,
    I’d never know what faith in God could do.

  164. street says:

    2 Then Hannah prayed and said,

    “My heart exults in the Lord;
    My horn is exalted in the Lord,
    My mouth speaks boldly against my enemies,
    Because I rejoice in Your salvation.
    2
    “There is no one holy like the Lord,
    Indeed, there is no one besides You,
    Nor is there any rock like our God.
    3
    “Boast no more so very proudly,
    Do not let arrogance come out of your mouth;
    For the Lord is a God of knowledge,
    And with Him actions are weighed.
    4
    “The bows of the mighty are shattered,
    But the feeble gird on strength.
    5
    “Those who were full hire themselves out for bread,
    But those who were hungry cease to hunger.
    Even the barren gives birth to seven,
    But she who has many children languishes.
    6
    “The Lord kills and makes alive;
    He brings down to Sheol and raises up.
    7
    “The Lord makes poor and rich;
    He brings low, He also exalts.
    8
    “He raises the poor from the dust,
    He lifts the needy from the ash heap
    To make them sit with nobles,
    And inherit a seat of honor;
    For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s,
    And He set the world on them.
    9
    “He keeps the feet of His godly ones,
    But the wicked ones are silenced in darkness;
    For not by might shall a man prevail.
    10
    “Those who contend with the Lord will be shattered;
    Against them He will thunder in the heavens,
    The Lord will judge the ends of the earth;
    And He will give strength to His king,
    And will exalt the horn of His anointed.”

  165. Beloved says:

    How can we hear and understand a divine intent unless we know and see Jesus throughout all of scripture?

    I came across this on FB today which I found very interesting. It’s from Unlocking The Bible:

    “Do not call me Naomi; call me Mara for the Almighty has dealt very bitterly with me… the Lord has testified against me and the Almighty has brought calamity upon me?” (Ruth 1:20-21)

    “All of your experience of life is in a fallen world. This is an abnormal world, a world at war with God. It is also a world that has been ravaged by evil powers. Your experience in this world will be an extraordinary mixture of good and evil. If you draw your picture of God from your experience of life in this world, you will get God all mixed up with evil, and you will never have a clear view of what he is like.

    This is a particular problem for those who have experienced great suffering. If you have seen great cruelty, torture in war, or sexually abuse, your experience has been made painful by the shadow of evil. And if experience was the artist who painted the picture of God that you carry in your mind, then your image of God will be deeply distorted.

    This was Naomi’s problem. Naomi suffered because her husband made a poor decision. He decided to move to Moab, and when the family arrived, he died. Naomi had to raise two sons in a foreign land. She did that, and then they married, and ten years later her two sons died as well.

    Naomi came back to her old home in Bethlehem with a broken heart. When her friends welcomed her back she told them to call her Mara, which means “bitter,” because God had made her life very bitter. She had taken her picture of God from her experience. She believed in God, but she was quite certain that this God was against her.

    How has your experience shaped your view of God? Can you tell God that you may have a distorted view of him? ”

    I found the questions at the end to be very helpful also in my private prayer time.

  166. street says:

    thanks beloved, good post. came across the names of the two columns of bronze of Solomon’s Temple. i get the idea God establishes Redemption. it is God’s doing, not man’s. naomi was right that she felt God was against her, but we see the rest of the story. not easy when you are in it up to your neck. hanna’s prayer was after the birth of samuel. yet in all this God is blameless, my hope.

  167. jeff1 says:

    I believe my view of God is very much the same as it always was in that I see God both as a God of Love but also a God of Wrath.

    Yet, I don’t believe this is a distorted view of God because I give God good reason to be angry.

    It is in my heart I see God’s love but in my head God’s anger.

    The difference in Naomi and my story is that I give God reason to be angry so my experience of God is that His wrath is justified.

    I don’t believe God is against me and my sorrow is because I have not been on God’s side.

    1 God is faithful, ever faithful;
    He will surely keep his word;
    To the uttermost fulfilling
    Ev’ry promise I have heard.

    Refrain:
    God is faithful, ever faithful;
    I will trust him all the way;
    God is faithful ever faithful,
    He will keep me night and day.

    2 God is faithful; he will do it;
    Not my own weak heart I trust,
    But his Spirit dwelling in me,
    Wise and holy, kind and just. [Refrain]

    3 God is faithful; this my refuge;
    When the storms of trial rise:
    Help is coming, swiftly coming
    From the hills beyond the skies. [Refrain]

    4 God is faithful; he will make me
    More than conqueror in the strife;
    Yielding wholly to his guidance,
    This is blessing, this is life! [Refrain]

  168. foreverblessed says:

    To react to what Street wrote, on Luke 11:5-13

    As with all scripture God must breath life into it, how it is meant.
    God the Holy Spirit.

    Last Saturday someone sent me a youtube video of a man giving a testimony, and in the end he gave Luke 11:5-13, the Holy Spirit had given that scripture to him.

    And the context this was used, this scripture: to pray and not give up, was him and his wife having prayed for a neighbor living just above them. And they prayed for three months, every night. The two together!

    The part that amazed me the most that in their prayers they even were specific in what they asked for that neighbor. This was an older man, and he was a foorbal hooligan, and lived in a very dark mood. The stadium was his church, and the football players were his idols.
    As the young man praying for him, this young man had been a football hooligan himself, so he understood the man. In his prayer he was full of empathy, but he told God: THis man is lost, and in the state he now is in, he cannot die. Give him wakeless nights so that he cannot sleep, and let him meet Jesus in these nights.

    When I watched that video, I was going like this: Wow, he gives God instructions, I wonder what God will do with that??!

    After three months, he and his wife had been persistent in this prayer, together,
    (two by two He sent them)
    One night there was a knock on their door, it was the upstairs neighbor. He said: Can I come in, I know that you are christians. I have a problem, for the last three months, I cannot sleep at night, and Jesus appears to me.

    So that selfsame night, the couple asked him: Do you want us to pray for you, and the man said: Yes.
    They prayed, and the heart of the man owas opened and that night he accepted Jesus.

    Then he ended saying:
    “8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

    9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

    10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”

    Luke 11:8-10 (NIV)

  169. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Foreverblessed, you see and understand.

    Steve

  170. poohpity says:

    Commentary by James Boice

    “A word of caution is appropriate here. Never are we to approach God with impertinence or a demanding or disrespectful attitude. James tells us that we don’t have because we don’t ask, or we ask with the wrong motives (James 4:3). That God allows us to approach Him at all is an indication of His mercy and graciousness toward sinners. But He is our Abba Father (Romans 8:15), and we are His children. We come before Him as a child comes before his earthly father, in confidence that his father loves him and wants the best for him (Luke 11:13). And if this man would give his neighbor what he wanted not out of friendship, but just because of his shameless boldness, how much more will God, who loves us perfectly, give us when we come into His presence?

    Jesus tells us to ask and keep on asking (Matthew 7:7), and whatever we ask in God’s will is assured to us. He had just taught the disciples to pray the Lord’s Prayer, which includes the phrase “Your will be done” (Luke 11:2). So, putting it all together, we see that we are to be persistent in asking for God to work in our lives and answer our prayers according to His perfect will and timing, having confidence that He will do so.

    When we pray without ceasing and have confidence in God, the benefits are many. We experience the goodness of God as we commune with Him. We become eager participants in the purposes of God, yielding our lives and wills to Him. And we enter His presence with boldness and security, knowing that He will bless us with His fellowship and love.”

  171. poohpity says:

    forever, could you share that you tube video so we can watch too? It is God’s will that all are saved but even Paul who asked three times to healed;

    2 Cor 12: Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly in my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest on me. 10That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

    Paul reminds us that we are not always protected from harm, illness or tragedy but it how we go through those things and our attitude about God’s goodness even though things look bad we still trust and worship God.

    2 Cor 11: I have worked harder, been put in prison more often, been whipped times without number, and faced death again and again. 24 Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea. 26 I have traveled on many long journeys. I have faced danger from rivers and from robbers. I have faced danger from my own people, the Jews, as well as from the Gentiles. I have faced danger in the cities, in the deserts, and on the seas. And I have faced danger from men who claim to be believers but are not. 27 I have worked hard and long, enduring many sleepless nights. I have been hungry and thirsty and have often gone without food. I have shivered in the cold, without enough clothing to keep me warm.

    28 Then, besides all this, I have the daily burden of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak without my feeling that weakness? Who is led astray, and I do not burn with anger?

  172. poohpity says:

    Sometimes the things we have prayed for year after year because we are so close to the situation we are blinded to the answers. Sometimes we can also get in God’s way by thinking it is up to us to bring the answers to our prayers and not allow God to work because it is hard to let go of control we would rather do things our way which can lead to much lost time in God working His way.

  173. foreverblessed says:

    It is in dutch Pooh, so that would be hard for you.

  174. street says:

    13
    Yet the people do not turn back to Him who struck them,
    Nor do they seek the Lord of hosts.
    14
    So the Lord cuts off head and tail from Israel,
    Both palm branch and bulrush in a single day.
    15
    The head is the elder and honorable man,
    And the prophet who teaches falsehood is the tail.

    16
    Therefore the Lord, the God of hosts, will send a wasting disease among his stout warriors;
    And under his glory a fire will be kindled like a burning flame.
    17
    And the light of Israel will become a fire and his Holy One a flame,
    And it will burn and devour his thorns and his briars in a single day.
    18
    And He will destroy the glory of his forest and of his fruitful garden, both soul and body,
    And it will be as when a sick man wastes away.

    16 He also removed Maacah, the mother of King Asa, from the position of queen mother, because she had made a horrid image as an Asherah, and Asa cut down her horrid image, crushed it and burned it at the brook Kidron. 17 But the high places were not removed from Israel; nevertheless Asa’s heart was blameless all his days. 18 He brought into the house of God the dedicated things of his father and his own dedicated things: silver and gold and utensils.

    20 In that day the Lord will shave with a razor, hired from regions beyond the Euphrates (that is, with the king of Assyria), the head and the hair of the legs; and it will also remove the beard.

    30 Indeed the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah have been doing only evil in My sight from their youth; for the sons of Israel have been only provoking Me to anger by the work of their hands,” declares the Lord. 31 “Indeed this city has been to Me a provocation of My anger and My wrath from the day that they built it, even to this day, so that it should be removed from before My face, 32 because of all the evil of the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah which they have done to provoke Me to anger—they, their kings, their leaders, their priests, their prophets, the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

    8 Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch. 9 For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,’ declares the Lord of hosts, ‘and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 ‘In that day,’ declares the Lord of hosts, ‘every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree.’”

  175. street says:

    But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.

  176. Beloved says:

    Lost Love

    Mark 5:17 John Gill
    And they began to pray him
    That is, the inhabitants of the city of Gadara, and of the villages round about, very earnestly importuned him

    to depart out of their coasts;
    fearing, lest for their sins, some sorer judgment should fall upon them, than the loss of their swine; since they perceived he was a person of great power and authority; which shows great ignorance and worldly mindedness: they knew not how great a person they had among them; that he was the Son of God, and Saviour of the world: they might have known from the miracles wrought, that he was a very wonderful and extraordinary person; but then they considered him as one endued with great power, rather, to do them hurt than good; as one sent to scourge them for their sins, than to save them from them: such very contrary notions have carnal men of Christ; they are afraid of being sufferers, or losers by him: they do not care to part with their swinish lusts for him; these they prefer to a Saviour, and love the world, and the things of it, more than he, and therefore are not worthy of him.

  177. foreverblessed says:

    …..or wouldn’t you say:
    are not yet worthy of Him?

    till they have there bellies full of swine, and perceiving that the swine does not fill their hearts, the emptiness they feel inside?
    And start to look for the Real Bread from Heaven: Jesus

    I was thinking, how come I was worthy to receive Him?
    OR…..
    Is it true, that somebody in my vicinity has been praying for me, unrelentlessly…
    without ceasing, or:
    “yet because of his importunity”
    “yet because of your shameless audacity”
    Luke 11:8

    This audacity, to be take in a positive way!

  178. foreverblessed says:

    Or should I say: God takes it in a positive way!

  179. street says:

    it would seem a fear of God can do one of two things. bring us closer or drive us away. probably, not correct. our love of vain things drive us in a darkness only God can break. when broken by lies and deceit, repentance, looking for light/healing, then crying out. to be broken and held together by God in Christ Jesus, our LORD

    to be exalted with great praise and thanksgiving with all our heart soul and mind. our Glory and our Hope. who hopes for what they already have?

    1 Corinthians 2 speaks of the Spirit and of our dependence on Him even as we read His Words, as forever pointed out.

  180. Beloved says:

    Yes, the audacity! I think of the blessedness and mercy of a Savior who took great pains in His Word to reveal the madness/deception of the world in our own hearts, so we would not be deceived!

  181. poohpity says:

    No one is worthy of what God offers, it is not because of us but because of the love of God for His creation. Ecc 7:20 NLT; Romans 3:23; 1 John 4:10,19,20; John 3:16,17

  182. poohpity says:

    I know there are many who think they are without sin but they have just deceived themselves and call God a liar. 1 John 1:10 NLT

  183. Beloved says:

    Just thinking…

    So, do we take all of Jesus’ teachings with a grain of salt up to Pentecost, when He is poured out on all who hear and receive, not just the prophets? Were his teachings meant only for His audience at that time? If so, what are the implications for preaching today?
    Just thinking.

  184. Beloved says:

    That was directed toward street.

  185. Beloved says:

    Pooh I remember you saying that Christianity is upside down topsy turvy. Yes it is, we who know we are unworthy are worthy of receiving the gift of forgiveness.

  186. Beloved says:

    Street i misread you, sorry.

  187. street says:

    If so, what are the implications for preaching today?

    12 For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,

    ‘You will keep on hearing, but will not understand;
    You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;

    Romans 10:17
    So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

    20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

  188. poohpity says:

    Mart wrote, “If we don’t see the human fear and rage in those who wanted to get rid of Jesus, we lose sight of what it means to be loved by one who can and has borne our anger — only to return again and again, tapping, rapping, knocking, pounding— with a request to show us what we are missing and doing to ourselves and one another.”

    This song goes so well with that paragraph!

    “You Love Me Anyway” Sidewalk Prophets

    The question was raised
    As my conscience fell
    A silly little lie

    It didn’t mean much
    But it lingers still
    In the corners of my mind

    Still you call me to walk
    On the edge of this world
    To spread my dreams and fly

    But the future’s so far
    My heart is so frail
    I think I’d rather stay inside

    But You love me anyway
    It’s like nothing in life
    That I’ve ever known
    Yes You love me anyway
    Oh Lord, how You love me
    How you love me

    It took more than my strength
    To simply be still
    To seek but never find

    The reasons we change
    The reasons I doubt
    And Why do loved ones have to die?

    But You love me anyway
    It’s like nothing in life
    That I’ve ever known
    Yes You love me anyway
    Oh Lord, how You love me

    I am the thorn in your crown
    But You love me anyway
    I am the sweat from Your brow
    But You love me anyway
    I am the nail in Your wrist
    But You love me anyway
    I am Judas’ kiss
    But You love me anyway
    See now I am the man who yelled out from the crowd
    For Your blood to be spilled on this earth shaking ground
    Yes then I turned away with a smile on my face
    With this sin in my heart, tried to bury Your grace
    And then alone in the night I still call out for You
    So ashamed of my life, my life, my life

    But You love me anyway
    Oh God, how You love me
    Yes You love me anyway
    It’s like nothing in life
    That I’ve ever known
    Yes You love me anyway
    Oh Lord, how You love me

    You love me
    You love me
    You love me
    You love me

    How You love me
    How You love me
    How You love me

  189. street says:

    This audacity, to be take in a positive way!

    the audacity of a Holy God. to be feared.

    His mercy is new every morning.

  190. Beloved says:

    Psalm 147

    10 He does not delight in the strength of the horse;
    He takes no pleasure in the legs of a man.
    11 The Lord takes pleasure in those who fear Him,
    In those who hope in His mercy.

  191. foreverblessed says:

    The never-ending love of God
    A God who knocks at the door, who wants to save us
    -“from what He will do to us”-

    What to say to people who think like that?

    Ask a question:
    “Is that really so, is that what you think?”

    The Word, by whom all is made, He spoke and it was there….

    To academic thinking people I would go on:
    “How do you think matter came into existance?”

    And I would wait for the answer.

    I myself know:
    There is no matter without a cause….
    (energy=matterx(speed of light)2 E=mc2)

    Matter did not just come into existance, the first law of energy says that the amount of energy always remains the same…

    So according to that law, it is impossible that matter just appeared out of nothing.

    Then leave it there for a while….

  192. foreverblessed says:

    John 1:1-5

    It is amazing that matter exists.

    Yet it exists

    The Word who spoke matter into being

    The Word that became flesh

    and dwelt among men

    The Word that took upon Himself our burden sorrows and carried them on the Cross

    John 12:32
    “When I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all emn to Myself”

  193. foreverblessed says:

    But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself
    John12:32 (KJV) (for Steve: dear Steve, have a happy day, may God bear your burdens, may His love wrap around you)

  194. foreverblessed says:

    This God, who loves us so much, so that He gave up Himself to give me everlasting life,

    Would this God have a final judgment, which after that there is no more mercy?

    That is a question I have, for myself,
    and I do not believe that.

    God’s love never ends, that is my conviction,

    So even if people are in hell, then still there must be hope,

    That is what I think, deep down, I am sure about that1

    That the everlasting time of hell, is called:
    ages and ages

    That after ages and ages, when people are finally crying out to God: Save me, from the otton of their hearts,
    that God would save them

    That for ages and ages in heavaen we will be busy to deal with people, or should I say: souls, who come out of hell, traumatised..

    And just as we take up into a loving christian community, those who are traumatised now,
    we will be doing that for a long time in heaven.

    Anybody can shoot me for believing this, but I cannot think that God’s judgment is an end to His Hope for souls.

    God always loves
    God always hopes
    God always believes
    God is love
    1 Cor 13:4-13

  195. foreverblessed says:

    Having said that, is it then nescesary to save people from hell, that is what people ask me. when I say that God’s love goes furhter then ages and ages in hell.

    Any amount of time in hell, (hell= being seperated from God)is horrendous,

    and all effort must be given to save them from it:

    Like the urging of Jesus to pray without ceasing,
    (if the Holy Spirit puts a person’s name in our heart)
    Luke 11:5-9 (KJV)

  196. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, just do not read all I write, just remember how loved you are!

    A precious dear child of God, this song is for you, and for all of us, for we are not worthy of anything, yet God came after us:

    “Reckless Love” Written by Cory Asbury, Caleb Culver, and Ran Jackson

    Verse 1

    Before I spoke a word, You were singing over me

    You have been so, so good to me

    Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me

    You have been so, so kind to me

    Chorus

    Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God

    Oh, it chases me down, fights ‘til I’m found, leaves the ninety-nine

    I couldn’t earn it, I don’t deserve it, still You give Yourself away

    Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God

    Verse 2

    When I was Your foe, still Your love fought for me

    You have been so, so good to me

    When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me

    You have been so, so kind to me

    Bridge

    There’s no shadow You won’t light up

    Mountain You won’t climb up

    Coming after me

    There’s no wall You won’t kick down

    Lie You won’t tear down

    Coming after me

  197. jeff1 says:

    Forever, you have an immense faith and I have met others like you who inspire mine.

    God puts all sorts of people in our lives and now I see why because I learn from others.

    How often have I been blinded and just one word spoken has enlightened me to seeing what I had been so long blind to.

    God will always find away if I am open to seeing and listening but in this modern world I will find that other’s do not want to hear because they do not believe in God to begin with.

    I see my faith as a gift because it is a difficult world that I see around me and how other’s get through their day without trusting God is beyond me.

    A younger generation (my sons are an example) are looking for answers through science, technology and evolution and I am told today to believe what I want but don’t expect others to do the same.

    I think God has some hard nuts to crack and so it is to my way of thinking about endurance until God calls time or if He calls time because God has eternity while the older I get and feel the more I see mine has limited.

    I find it difficult to see God always as a God of love but that is because I have lived with violence and hatred and so I see that God has good reasons to be angry.

    God does not stay angry for ever and their is where my hope lies in a forgiving God who sees and knows all things beyond what I could ever imagine.

  198. poohpity says:

    Jesus taught through this parable about crossing from hell to heaven;

    Luke 16: There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

    22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

    29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

    30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

    31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

  199. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, have you asked yourself: why is it impossible for that rich man to go to the other side?

  200. poohpity says:

    In our news lately we have had allegations of parents that did everything for their children to get into college by not allowing them to fail, totally missing the joy in working their way forward or picking themselves up on their own moving past the failures. Not only are their parents paying a high cost but they are crippling their children by not allowing them to fail and then find their way out of it. God allows us to fail and does not rescue us from the lessons we learn when we fall but is beside us to brush us off and start again so we are not crippled to never try again.

    Can you imagine if God had prevented us from ever experiencing pain, struggles, trials and sorrows how shallow we would be, not only shallow but entitled like no one else matters but ME?

  201. poohpity says:

    Forever, First, I do not have to ask myself that question because it tells why in the Gospels as the Lord explains many things to us, the things we need to know and are ready to receive. Second, I am not the person to ask but God is which is the very reason we ask for the help of the Holy Spirit and He is willing to give us wisdom regarding many spiritual things.

  202. poohpity says:

    forever, who was it that Moses and the prophets pointed people to and who did their message come from?

  203. poohpity says:

    Like the last verse says they would not even believe if the message came from someone who was raised from the dead.

  204. poohpity says:

    Then we can understand what this topic is about those who will not open the door because they believe the one who is knocking is “with a notion of “nothing more” than a bothersome visitor, raven, or door to door salesman… as we slip into the illusion and madness of being loved— nevermore.”!

  205. poohpity says:

    E=mc squared is the basic principle that produced the atomic bomb that killed a whole country of people in Japan.

  206. street says:

    Would this God have a final judgment, which after that there is no more mercy?

    the cross is God’s final judgment on sin. He is not going to change His Mind. He will never change. when God puts on His Judicial Robe of Righteousness and Justice we need a Passover. the cross is our Passover/Ransom. Jesus Blood/Life is shed for sinners. a gift from God. the gift of His Love/Himself. to reject Christ is to reject His Love and His Righteousness, His Person and establish your own. there’s going to be a lot of righteous people in hell. and yes it is a permanent place of suffering, not temporary. sin is an offense to The Only Holy True God. He is Eternal and the just punishment is an Eternal Punishment. jacob wrestled with God and it is said he prevailed. he got a new name out of it. the Greater names the lesser. not only did He change his name, but he received mercy. we do not struggle against flesh and blood but against the powers and principalities of the air, not Heaven. Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. even in this we can petition/beg a Loving God Father Who knows better than we do.

    Psalm 18:35
    You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.

    Psalm 41:12
    As for me, You uphold me in my integrity, And You set me in Your presence forever.

    Isaiah 9:7
    There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

    the biggest struggle is to let go of our self-righteousness. we don’t have any! my integrity and righteousness are gifts from God in Christ Jesus. in all this to be fruitful and multiply in the presents of God. to bring Him Glory. love joy peace patients kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control. planted comes to mind. grafted in. The True Vine. the Last I AM

  207. street says:

    5 “If my house were not right with God,
    surely he would not have made with me an everlasting covenant,
    arranged and secured in every part;
    surely he would not bring to fruition my salvation
    and grant me my every desire.
    6 But evil men are all to be cast aside like thorns,
    which are not gathered with the hand.
    7 Whoever touches thorns
    uses a tool of iron or the shaft of a spear;
    they are burned up where they lie.”

    12 When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, 15 but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever.”’” 17 In accordance with all these words and all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.

  208. foreverblessed says:

    Ex 34:29-35, Deut 18:15, Isaiah 42:1, Luke 9:28-36

    34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

    the cross is God’s final judgment on sin. He is not going to change His Mind. He will never change.
    Amen

  209. foreverblessed says:

    Everybody may interpret as they wish.
    I asked Jesus: what did You mean to say by this:

    “And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’”?

    and then sat down and listened to His answer……

    Anyone may do that, and then hear His answer, to you personally.
    But if you have set your mind on what it means, it is fixed already in your mind, and even Jesus cannot give you an answer.

  210. foreverblessed says:

    Saved from what….

    bondage to sin…

    From My Utmost, of today:

    “If a child gives in to selfishness, he will find it to be the most enslaving tyranny on earth. There is no power within the human soul itself that is capable of breaking the bondage of the nature created by yielding.”

    “You must yield yourself in utter humiliation to the only One who can break the dominating power in your life, namely, the Lord Jesus Christ. “…He has anointed Me…to proclaim liberty to the captives…” (Luke 4:18 and Isaiah 61:1).”

    This is what we are to be saved from, we cannot save ourselves. we cannot break free from the bonds that bound us.

    If anyone’s mind is opened to that, then it is Light shining in darkness.

    Jesus, the Light of the world.

    It is a miracle, and we can pray for others that their minds may be opened!

    Pray and pray without ceasing
    For anyone that God has put into your mind.
    God gave a man to my attention, living in the old people’s home. Since a year they now have protestant services, once a month, for those who did not want to join the catholic services. (For the older people it is still a brdige too far)
    Last month a man came to me after the service, and said: Do you want to explain to me what it means? Because I do not understand. (His full name is Cornelius.)
    So I went to his room, and we had tea, and I asked him if he had a bible, and so he got it, and we read from John 1:1-5
    He looked up and said: I do not understand.
    I suggested him to pray about it.
    It seemed to me, everyhing I said was a blut to him. And I told Jesus: Without You these things ar not possible, This man needs You! Please open his mind.

    This last month I have been praying about him, and I asked God, can you give me people who can pray with me.

    And then that video of the man who had been praying with his wife for 3 months. It touched my heart, as if God was saying: this man needs a lot of prayer.

    Today was that protestant service for this month, and there Cornelius was again. He asked to sit beside me. He said that he liked my singing. And I kept praying.

    The sermon was about the bible verse that I gave just above, Ex 34 and Luke 9, I knew about the radiance, but it struck me today, that it was Jesus who fulfilled what happened to Moses in Ex 34.
    Listen to Him!

    Listen to Him:We are under the New Covenant, we are to listen to every word Jesus said, Beloved, I thought you asked that last night. And see these words as we have seen the 10 commandments, but view these words as much more precious, and much more binding upon our souls, only with Jesus though that we can accomplish anything He commanded.

    But all these things were not for that man, I was searching for words to say.
    So we had tea again, and I asked him, what bible sotry do you know, and then he said:
    In those days ceasar Augustus issued a decree that a census be made.
    And then he sang an old song”the shepherds were laying by night, the whole first verse he sang,
    And then he said, is this all true?
    I said, this is trues than any fairest fairy tale, a Story so wonderful! And I told him about Jesus, and the Cross, and everlasting life through Him.

    But it did not seem to sink in
    …and then I remembered the three months.

    On the way back I came accross a very believing old lady, someone I know quite well. She is very ill, but was walking. God had sent her to me, so I could ask her to pray for Cornelius!
    Wow, what a good God.

    If anyone has a prayer for this Cornelius, feel free, ask, and you shall receive!

    (A few years ago I have written about an older lady, who is lame on one side, her husband was a colleque of my husband. She is still alive, very tired, only half believing, pray for her soul too, Nelly her name is)

    Thank you all for your prayers, if you get them from the Holy Spirit that is.
    Do not feel forced,
    where the Spirit is there is freedom

  211. foreverblessed says:

    a blur to him.
    not blut
    As a veil covering his face.
    God can take away this veil.

  212. Beloved says:

    When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me

    Romans 4:25
    He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification.

    My worth is a moot point. Christ died for even the self righteous. If they will humble themselves before God they will be saved, but it’s hard for them to do. Does God override our choices? Does freewill override Gods will that all be saved? Choose you this day whom you will serve!
    But God said that before the Atonement. So do we not have a choice to make anymore? Be careful who you think you are listening to. If it doesn’t square with the written word it may be the Deceiver. Always test the spirits, as Paul said.
    Just some thoughts on a rainy day with flooding in streets and byways. But I’m loving the temps finally above freezing and humidity after a long dry winter. Lots of snow, low humidity. Weird right?

  213. jeff1 says:

    C. S. Lewis quotes.

    We have failed to practise ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people.

    I suggest to you that it is because God loves us that he gives us the gift of suffering. Pain is God’s megaphone to rouse a deaf world. You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the Sculptor carves the forms of men. The blows of his chisel, which hurt us so much are what make us perfect.

    Life is too deep for words, so don’t try to describe it, just live it.

    God knows our situation; He will not judge us as if we had no difficulties to overcome. What matters is the sincerity and perseverance of our will to overcome them.

    Forgiveness does not mean excusing.

    We all agree that forgiveness is a beautiful idea until we have to practice it.

    I think that if God forgives us we must forgive ourselves. Otherwise, it is almost like setting up ourselves as a higher tribunal than Him.

    Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

    I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.

  214. SFDBWV says:

    I have no way of actually knowing the percentage of intellectual non-believers nor exactly why they choose to be either non-believers or agnostics, but I am sure the number of intellectual non-believers are so because of all of the disagreement heard between believers as well as all of the Scripture verses that seem to be in contrast to each other.

    In the “Divine Comedy” there is an inscription upon the gates of hell which read “Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here”.

    In Greek mythology the River Styx is the boundary between Earth and Hades.

    Hades and Hell are very similar in concept. Human belief in a place of eternal torment seem to be coded into our DNA.

    Who is it that wants people to believe there is no hope? Who is it that provides hope for lost mankind?

    I can provide some Scripture that shows where Jesus entered that place of torment and preached the Gospel to the dead, but I am not going to play tit for tat with the Word of God.

    Like Foreverblessed has said, you who want to believe that in the final Judgement from God that there is no hope for the lost is what you want to believe. As for me and her and some others I want to give the final judgement to God, not I and so hope for forgiveness to those called hopeless. And an end to death and hell altogether as all things are made new and the former things forgotten.

    Steve

  215. street says:

    i like jeff’s idea of forgiveness. We all agree that forgiveness is a beautiful idea until we have to practice it.

    i really don’t think it is an idea but a truth that sits well with God, even though it does not sit well with us! we are constantly reminded by paul of the grace and mercy of God be with you in all peace and understanding/knowledge of Christ. a true peace and true forgiveness. the Bible speaks of no chairs in the Temple of God yet Our High Priest sits down at the Right Hand of God, which no other priest has ever done. in Revelation they were looking for some one to open the scroll and found no one to open the scroll. they search heaven and the earth and under the earth. yet no one? don’t think a creature could ever search the Thrown of God. yet given a Spirit to search His Heart & Mind and ours that we could know the things freely given to us by God. namely Himself, oh to have the Mind of Christ and fullness of joy and peace.

  216. jeff1 says:

    It troubles me greatly that since a child many Christians have been much more forceful in preaching hell and damnation than they have the love of Christ.

    Perhaps not surprisingly I find myself seeing God as an angry one. It would seem that many believers also hold that view.

    If non believers are confused then perhaps it is because Christians have confused them with their different views of God.

    I think God wants people to know His truths and in His time He will bring that about giving hope to more of mankind who might otherwise be lost.

    Like you, Steve, I envisage a time when God will end death and hell and make all things new and that is something to be hopeful for rather than seeing a place of torment where I wouldn’t even put my worst enemy.

  217. street says:

    i wonder if the difficulty of unforgiveness is from not understanding how to bring the transgression under the cross of Christ? if it is not? then could it be rendering a judgment before the time? most people try to do the right thing, it makes them look good. but we know we are not good and need a major overhaul or new life.

    thinking of the woman caught in adultery. Jesus chose not to condemn her. He Offers Salvation at the cross first. but in the immediate, rescue from a hostel crowd of self-righteousness. yes the crowd was right to bring her before the authorities. i find it ironic they brought to the One Who has received all Authority in Heaven and on Earth. we see Jesus rescue her from an immediate physical death. a Resurrected Christ can save her from an Eternal death. forgiven. God dying on our behalf that we may live. we were already dead to God because of sin, made alive in Christ Jesus our LORD. and yes continuing in mortal bodies for His Glory and our good. God is blameless in all this, but accepts the penalty for those who the Father gives to the Son. the perfect Judge and Redeemer. did i mention the pillar and upholder of all Truth? Jesus

  218. SFDBWV says:

    Prayers for Mtman as he endures a very bad winter storm.

    Steve

  219. poohpity says:

    It seems the reason that it was Abraham with Lazarus in heaven in those verses in Luke was because Abraham was there by having faith and believing in God. He was before the law was given so had no knowledge of what sin was which is what the law revealed.

    Anyone and everyone who believes in God has hope.

    There was someone in heaven to open the scrolls. Rev 5:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

    6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

  220. Beloved says:

    Chris how did you like Mankato?

  221. poohpity says:

    When Mart was speaking about believers that do not hear the repeated knock of Jesus on their door in the next to last paragraph read My Utmost for His Highest explains it so well in “Total Surrender”

    Our Lord replies to this statement of Peter by saying that this surrender is “for My sake and the gospel’s” (Mark 10:29). It was not for the purpose of what the disciples themselves would get out of it. Beware of surrender that is motivated by personal benefits that may result. For example, “I’m going to give myself to God because I want to be delivered from sin, because I want to be made holy.” Being delivered from sin and being made holy are the result of being right with God, but surrender resulting from this kind of thinking is certainly not the true nature of Christianity. Our motive for surrender should not be for any personal gain at all. We have become so self-centered that we go to God only for something from Him, and not for God Himself. It is like saying, “No, Lord, I don’t want you; I want myself. But I do want You to clean me and fill me with Your Holy Spirit. I want to be on display in Your showcase so I can say, ‘This is what God has done for me.’ ” Gaining heaven, being delivered from sin, and being made useful to God are things that should never even be a consideration in real surrender. Genuine total surrender is a personal sovereign preference for Jesus Christ Himself.

    Where does Jesus Christ figure in when we have a concern about our natural relationships? Most of us will desert Him with this excuse— “Yes, Lord, I heard you call me, but my family needs me and I have my own interests. I just can’t go any further” (see Luke 9:57-62). “Then,” Jesus says, “you ‘cannot be My disciple’ ” (see Luke 14:26-33).

    True surrender will always go beyond natural devotion. If we will only give up, God will surrender Himself to embrace all those around us and will meet their needs, which were created by our surrender. Beware of stopping anywhere short of total surrender to God. Most of us have only a vision of what this really means, but have never truly experienced it.

    Wisdom From Oswald Chambers

    The vital relationship which the Christian has to the Bible is not that he worships the letter, but that the Holy Spirit makes the words of the Bible spirit and life to him. The Psychology of Redemption, 1066 L

  222. jeff1 says:

    I often wondered why so many Christians could quote you chapter and verse of the Bible and yet not reflect the love of Christ and your post from Oswald Chambers reflects the truth of why knowledge does not bring a person closer to God.

    Those who study the Bible without a heart surrendered to God interpretate it to their beliefs rather than to the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

    That is why a man like my dad with little knowledge of the Bible could reflect Jesus more than an articulate speaker of the word because it is those who are pure in heart that see God.

  223. jeff1 says:

    It is how God works in the world through the hearts that are surrendered to Him as God reveals His will to those sincere in heart as He sees the motives behind a person while we just see the external He sees the internal.

  224. SFDBWV says:

    Viv as you say people who constantly quote the Bible to others doesn’t mean that they understand what they quote or live it. Just like the religious leaders Jesus so often rebuked they just like to sound religious, thinking it impresses others.

    It doesn’t!

    The best witness for Christ is always going to be the living example we live, not what we say.

    You do a superb job of showing your Christianity, I am sure your dad would be proud of you. And is.

    Steve

  225. SFDBWV says:

    Also wanted to mention I seen my first Robin Wednesday the 13th and have them this morning singing out in my back yard and yes feeding off my feeding rock as well as worm diving around it.

    Steve

  226. jeff1 says:

    My favourite birds are Robin and Blue Tite and it always does my heart good to see them and also a rainbow which I have seen a lot of this last while and seeing a rainbow always makes my heart sing.

    This beautiful song from an immensely talented Judy Garland.

    Over the Rainbow

    Ohhhhh yeaaa
    Mmmm

    Somewhere over the rainbow,
    Way up high.
    There’s a land that I’ve heard of,
    Once in a lullaby.

    Somewhere over the rainbow,
    Skies are blue.
    And the dreams that you dare to dream really do come true.

    Someday I wish upon a star, (someday I wish upon a star)
    Where the clouds are far far far behind me
    (And wake up where the clouds are far behind me)
    Where.

    All my troubles melt like lemon drops.
    Way above the chimney tops, (way above the chimney tops)
    That is where you will find me.

    Somewhere over the rainbow,
    Bluebirds fly.
    If birds can fly over over the rainbow,
    Then why, then why can’t I
    (Bids fly high, why can’t I)
    Ohh wahy ohhh why ohhh why ohhh
    (If birds fly high, why can’t I)
    If every little bluebirds fly (if every bird fly)
    Over the rainbow,
    Somebody tell me why, somebody tell me
    (If bids fly high, why can’t I)
    Why can’t I.

  227. poohpity says:

    Viv, I thought Oswald Chambers said that Christians do not WORSHIP the letters, but that the Holy Spirit makes the words of the Bible spirit and life to him. I understand that to mean that the bible is so very important to the one who has the Spirit to lead them through the word for understanding, the wisdom it holds and the ability to KNOW God better.

    How do you know that your dad did not read the bible? To some people that is how part of their private time with the Lord takes place, doing it in private or secret and is just part of the devotions of a heart that is surrendered to God and their desires for Him are above all else. I have yet to meet anyone who has surrendered or desires God above all else that does not spend time in His word. How can one distinguish or test the spirit they hear without it, after all they could be listening to the evil one who knows scripture but twists and turns it for his own benefit to guide people away from God rather than to Him? Read the testing of Jesus in the wilderness Matt 4:1-11 or Luke 4:1-13 Satan used God’s/Jesus’s very own words to try and trap Him as those who use them do the same way Satan does also.

    The nay sayers are usually those who have not surrendered to God so they want to lead others down the same path they are on away from God’s inspired word rather than pointing people to it. Many find joy, peace and contentment spending time with God in His word, it brightens our day and prepares us for what the day may hold. Who would say to God I do not want to hear what you are teaching me about you, others and the world around me, go away I will not answer that door?

  228. poohpity says:

    What would you say to those who have given up their lives to learn the languages of different people groups to get God’s word translated into their languages so that they to can have a copy of the Bible????? To those who have also laid down their lives to share what is taught within it’s pages to those who have never heard about God.

    Just because one has talked their selves into there are more important things to read than the bible does that really sound like one who has surrendered to the Lord and He is more important than anything or anyone else to them?

  229. poohpity says:

    Personally for me I can not understand anyone who desires a close relationship with the Lord that the Holy Spirit has not put it in their heart to read it like the need for our daily bread or our daily need for living water. It is no wonder many fall for false teaching and are lead astray by the prince of this world.

  230. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!Beloved Mankato was cold!Snow was everywhere and stacked high.It was a good experience though to see what you, Steve and others who live in northern areas experience.

    In the Bible study last night one of the inmates asked if I could find the “Our Daily Bread” that used the sequoia tree as an example of having deep roots 2/16/17. The final sentence of that devotional was “What grace and grandeur-to see Jesus rooted in the history and Scriptures of a nation and to see how sxtensively our own lives are rooted in a need of Him.”Mart DeHaan Love Chris

  231. jeff1 says:

    I did not say my dad did not read his Bible but that he did not study it because he read verses for his own encouragement and not to preach to others while I listened to the wrong people who were preaching to their beliefs while not having surrendered their heart to God.

    I am saying it takes a heart surrendered to God to be led by the Holy Spirit and I am not saying do not read your Bible but do not be critical of those who don’t because God will enlighten His children in more ways than the Bible as He has used my dad to enlighten me.

    What I am saying is that some people’s faith is more heartfelt while others is more mind focused i.e. as you say you find joy, peace and contentment spending time with God in His word.

    I do likewise but because of mental illness I use songs and music but it is God who draws us to Himself and He does it differently in each of us.

  232. poohpity says:

    Viv, I think you may have reversed that I am not critical of those who do not read their bibles but I do encourage people to do it but it is those who do not read their bibles that are critical of me because I do. The thing about that is that was something the Lord laid on my heart since I surrendered my life to Him, it was the Lord who put the desire in my heart. I did not just wake up one morning and say I think I will read the bible, the Lord put this burning desire within me to do so.

  233. poohpity says:

    Today on Discover The Word we learn, “Jesus might not appear until the New Testament. But if you read carefully, you can find Him on every page of Scripture. Every story whispers His name.” As Mart said, “If we don’t hear all that precedes and follows Jesus—Revelation as much as Genesis— in light of a Divine intent that misunderstood words don’t explain”

  234. Beloved says:

    Chris life is definitely harder for those who have to deal with snow and cold for months on end. A friend who winters in AZ and FLA has had to hire someone twice to shovel the snow off the roof of her home up here. She’s 89 and told me the other day how she walked 8 blocks using her walker to visit a church in FLA that had a converted Jew telling his story of how He discovered Christ. She said it was well worth it, and that the scenery was beautiful! Made me think of how slowing down we see so much more of what God intended for us. We sometimes miss what’s freely been given to us trying to hurry through life I think. I dreamed I was part of the holocaust last night, running and trying to hide as all my earthly possessions were being slowly stripped away and nothing left but my life. Like the Sequoia I need to keep making sure my roots are well fed and ever growing deep into God love.
    Love, Joyce

  235. SFDBWV says:

    Whereas I don’t “tweet” or “twitter” or visit any of the social media sites other than this blog I do read the news and am saddened to read about the 49 Muslims killed in Christchurch New Zealand.

    So here we go; the first victim, it is reported, greeted his killer as the killer took aim at him with the comment, “Hello brother.” Then was shot dead.

    So is it hell for this man, seeing that he was not a believer in Christ as Lord?

    Steve

  236. Beloved says:

    Steve several of us here have mercy gifts and find it hard to think of God being just. I think you know the answer already, but I feel your pain for the lost.

  237. SFDBWV says:

    The heart of my question Joyce goes right back to Mart’s original sequence of topics. Knock, knock.

    What I think is that God is the Judge and I am glad it is not me.

    Those who die without Christ face the great white throne room of judgement in the second resurrection.

    Either Jesus died for all or for some.

    The obvious question then remains why did any of us accept Christ? Was it out of fear or out of love?

    My pain outside of my own personal cross I bear is for a world so engulfed in suffering and heartache and misery and hatred.

    Lot more to think about in Mart’s subject than already thought out.

    Steve

  238. Beloved says:

    The obvious question then remains why did any of us accept Christ? Was it out of fear or out of love?

    Steve I’m thinking it was both fear AND love. That was my experience. The awesomeness of God should produce a healthy fear of one greater than I yet loving in character. Why I came to the cross on bended knee and heart. I think those who only come out of fear of what He will do if they don’t answer His knock do eventually realize through scripture and prayer time how loving and kind He is. Some are hard nuts to crack so to speak, but God is very capable to teach and soften hearts. He is alive and living among us as you all know.

  239. poohpity says:

    Why would anyone want to be with someone they do not even believe in which is what salvation is after all, being with God now and for all eternity?

  240. Beloved says:

    Fear of hell.

  241. poohpity says:

    Yes Joyce you hit the nail on the head, understanding at it’s finest. He is still knocking on the door of those who say they believe yet who may not still understand any thing about Him.

  242. Beloved says:

    Why would anyone….huh? Like a make believe character? Some are that delusional.

  243. Beloved says:

    I saw a guy on tv who believed he was batman. Truly.

  244. poohpity says:

    I would have reverent fear of God because of what He is capable of, His wrath. I would rather be on His slow to anger and quick to show mercy side because I am covered by the blood of the lamb. In the OT there were temporary sacrifices for every offense but the final complete one was through Jesus Christ, the unblemished lamb of God.

  245. Beloved says:

    Fear of hell begins with fear of death. Christ took that fear away at the cross. Always and only the cross saves us.

  246. poohpity says:

    Oooh good grief Joyce I was talking about being with God.

    When I am sharing the good news with anyone I usually start by asking them if they have ever heard of the love and forgiveness that God has for them? It is a good starter.

  247. Beloved says:

    Oh sure I see what you meant.

  248. Beloved says:

    Hope you are a little more patient with those you share Gods love with :-).

  249. street says:

    The obvious question then remains why did any of us accept Christ? Was it out of fear or out of love?

    18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

    19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

    Isaiah 48:11
    “For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; For how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another.

    Daniel 9:19
    O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and take action! For Your own sake, O my God, do not delay, because Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

    Ezekiel 20:43-45

    43 There you will remember your ways and all your deeds with which you have defiled yourselves; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight for all the evil things that you have done. 44 Then you will know that I am the Lord when I have dealt with you for My name’s sake, not according to your evil ways or according to your corrupt deeds, O house of Israel,” declares the Lord God.’”

    His Mercy is incredible, fear Him with all your heart, that a heart may be presented to Him in wisdom that God delights in. only in Christ. John 1:13
    who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. we have nothing to boast in, except Jesus, the Wisdom of God.

  250. street says:

    Galatians 2:16
    nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

    a love restore,
    a joy restored,
    a peace restored,
    a hope restored,
    a trust restored,
    in Christ Jesus our LORD, at the door.

    given a ministry of reconciliation of a mankind and a world separated from God.

    knock knock,

    who’s there?

    a messenger bearing news of great joy, that is for all people!

  251. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    March 15, 2019 at 9:47 am

    Viv, I think you may have reversed that I am not critical of those who do not read their bibles but I do encourage people to do it but it is those who do not read their bibles that are critical of me because I do.

    I cannot imagine why anyone would be critical of anyone reading their Bible when they do so for the right reasons but I can see why they would be critical if a person is doing it to score points rather than to know God which was what I found from the believers I knew.

    The Good News is that God’s love and power draws us to Himself as God is faithful even when we are not.

    It seems to be that their will always be those who want to be right more than they want God to be, as knowledge in the right hands brings righteousness, but in the wrong hands brings destruction.

  252. SFDBWV says:

    White and black, left and right, up and down, day and night, they all have one thing in common they are opposites. Yet it is impossible to fully appreciate one without the other.

    Then there is grey, level ground, in the middle, dusk and dawn. Not quite one or the other, but to the discerning eye you can tell the difference.

    It is interesting that even during the time Jesus, in the flesh, was establishing His base, teaching the people and His chosen Disciples that already there were some people striking out on their own proclaiming the name of Jesus in preaching and casting out demons.

    The Disciples wanted Jesus to forbid them to do so since they weren’t actually part of the group of the original Disciples. Yet Jesus said to leave them alone, saying they are for us and not against us.

    The knock you may hear at you actual door may be the well-dressed polite, courteous people from the Watchtower Society, or maybe the young people from The Church of the Latter Day Saints or even a local Baptist church.

    What exactly is their message?

    For people already in one Christian church or another anyone coming to their door who isn’t a duplicate of themselves is immediately seen as unwanted pests. The message not accepted, received, heard, listened to, rejected outright and wasted.

    What message do you as a professed believer give in return to someone’s knock at your door?

    Paul say’s in Hebrews that we entertain angels unaware. What kind of witness for Christ do they see in our language, behavior and response to their knock?

    Do they see the brilliance of Christ or the shadow of who you have always been with just a covering of wool?

    30 degrees spiting snow flurries.

    Steve

  253. jeff1 says:

    It is Jehovah Witnesses that have called at my door and what I notice about them is their humility as when I say to them I have my own faith and church they offer me their literature and they are on their way.

    I have been stopped in the street by Jehovah’s and have engaged with them but not being knowledgeable on the Bible I find it best to listen.

    My friend has engaged with them as she believes they are being led astray and do not see ‘Jesus’ as we in our faith do
    so she will challenge them.

    For me it is not a case of them being wrong and me being right as I see it they are seeking to know God just as I am and that always brings disappointment and rejection from others and that shows to me how committed they are because it doesn’t deter them from knocking on doors.

    Sadly, Steve, I have discovered that there is much more to my faith than belief and that seeking God is very far from knowing Him and why I know they don’t see me as I should be as a professed believer in Christ.

    “Who Am I?”

    When I think of how He came so far from glory
    Came to dwell among the lowly such as I
    To suffer shame and such disgrace
    On Mount Calvary take my place
    Then I ask myself this question
    Who am I?

    Who am I that The King would bleed and die for
    Who am I that He would pray not my will, Thy Lord
    The answer I may never know
    Why He ever loved me so
    But to that old rugged cross He’d go
    For who am I?

    When I’m reminded of His words
    I’ll leave Him never
    If you’ll be true I’ll give to you life forever
    Oh I wonder what I could have done
    To deserve God’s only Son
    To fight my battles until they’re won
    For who am I?

    Who am I that The King would bleed and die for
    Who am I that He would pray not my will, Thy Lord
    The answer I may never know
    Why He ever loved me so
    But to that old rugged cross He’d go
    For who am I?
    But to an old rugged cross He’d go for, who am I?

  254. bullwinkle says:

    Steve, I share your disgust with the pure evil that transpired in New Zealand. Evil has taken root in this world, regardless if it comes from Neo Nazis or radical Islam. Praying that hearts would begin to soften, but I fear we are on the downward spiral that was spoken of in scripture, leading us closer and closer to the end.
    We see the same thing in our country as the left and right have become so entrenched in their beliefs that violence is breaking out daily. Fueled by a 24 hour news cycle, we crawl deeper and deeper into our own philosophy.
    I believe that it was beloved that was urging others to continually pray for eyes and hearts to be opened to the truth of Jesus’s love for all mankind. What a wonderful thought.

  255. poohpity says:

    John taught us that if someone does not share in the same teaching of Jesus Christ we have then we are not even to greet or ask them to come into our homes because that is like affirming what they teach.

    2 John 1: I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. 5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. 6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

    Jehovah Witnesses or those from the Mormon church are teaching and proselytizing their religions not a relationship with God. Jehovah Witnesses started that religion in the 1950’s and the other started in 1830’s. Our relationship with God started from the beginning of time and many will come to draw us away from God by deception and false teaching, we were warned about that. If we know a fire burns then would one tell another to touch it, play with it or sit in it? If deception were easy to spot then it would not be deception.

    There are many that come to my door that I would not ask in but I would answer the door and kindly tell them I do not want what they are selling and that it is against our apartment rules for people to go door to door soliciting.

    It seems when Jesus sent out His disciples two by two they went into a town and waited for someone to invite them in to their homes to share about the Kingdom of God, to heal the sick and cast out demons. I do not recall them knocking on doors as if it is anything like the Lord knocking on the door of our hearts, not even close.

    Those who hear the voice of the Lord calling to them deep down within their hearts it is like a tug of one’s very conscience usually will make an effort to find out about who it is that has put that desire in their hearts and minds and once they hear the Good News will know. It is like a desire or craving that nothing else can satisfy. All of it starts from believing which comes from God then it seems that God will take it from there.

  256. poohpity says:

    I think, which may be a catastrophe waiting to happen lol, that the last three topics are more discussing after a person initially comes to believe and where does it go from there. Sort of like the parable about the types of soil where the seed of God’s word is planted. Matthew 13:1-23, Mark 4:1-20, and Luke 8:4-15 which seems to go along with what Jesus was saying about the seven churches in Rev 2&3.

    Anyway they seem more about addressing the continuing work that God does in a believers heart whether they still are listening to further knocks or are just satisfied with the initial one and are no longer interested in a growing intimacy any further beyond just being saved.

  257. Beloved says:

    There’s a book out called Keep It Shut by Karen Ehman. Knowing when to speak, how to speak and when not to speak. I haven’t read it but I know when irritants come, and they will, best to leave them alone and let Jesus take care of it. Dying to self. Coffee time!

  258. Beloved says:

    When I was a new believer and in a church that didn’t say much about Jesus being a personal Savior I wanted so much to learn about Him and interestingly the JW’s started coming around and I being thirsty gladly invited them in. They let me use my own bible as they read to me and left me with those awful doomsday booklets which again never talked about Jesus. I just knew He was it for me! One day months later I grew tired of waiting to hear Good News and abruptly challenged them as to why they took the word “Christ” out of their translation and only shared about bad things to come in their literature. Stunned they flipped around their bibles trying to refute, but finally left and never came back. In fact I was told they were not allowed to come to my home again! Oh the power of God is real and He is always watching over His little ones. To God be the glory, Amen.

  259. street says:

    thinking about the the people at the door or even the robo calls. sometimes the one at the door is a apprentice with a mentor. learning the ropes. it seems to me truth could have a great impact on the apprentice. they are definitely looking for a way forward, because they know they lax the skills and abilities and are willing to learn. at a Bible study last night we were called to question our beliefs, what we were taught as we grew up. to take innovatory, to sift it out. to look for that which is worth keeping. Jesus talked about denying self. that is a whole lot of denying! i think it has to do with will. the why we do and say things. when Jesus was speaking to nickademus the dividing line between darkness and light was love. love is what separated people. how can love separate people? love of darkness. people do love. finding the object of their love and shedding light on it just might get them to change their mind. Jesus at the door.

  260. street says:

    In a world that often rewards those who seize whatever they can grasp, how powerful acts of love and sacrifice can be! Such deeds are much more than mere symbols. ODB

  261. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Bullwinkle I too agree that the world at large is spiraling downward like in a funnel ever increasing in speed as the end nears.

    The power of the anti-christ grows and it is seen and heard everywhere.

    When Jesus began His ministry He told His Disciples to go first to the house of Israel.

    I believe as time grows short, just as given in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 Jesus speaks to His Church as the harvest comes and the door in heaven is opened to receive the harvest.

    Jesus is knocking at the door of His believers reminding us to return to our first love, offering communion and fellowship with Him.

    When I used to be able to watch some Christian TV there was a fellow whose name escapes me right now, but his time spent in front of the camera was mostly about what was wrong with every other church or denomination. I believe he himself did not attach himself to any particular one himself.

    It didn’t take me long to quit listening to him all together.

    His message was one of negativity, not the positivity and enlightenment of Jesus Christ.

    Similarly to Joyce’s story during my long walk with God, the people of the “Watchtower Society” (Jehovah’s Witnesses) use to come to my door pretty often. I would invite them in, but warn them ahead of doing so that if they were there to convert me to their particular denomination they were wasting their time. However if they wanted to come in share some prayer and fellowship and even have some Bible study I was up for that.

    When ferreting out in Scripture the differences of what they believe and what I believe they began saying that they would have to discuss that with their elders.

    However they blessed me by saying that I wasn’t like other people they encountered. I didn’t argue with them or “judge” them. I was polite, courteous and friendly.

    Soon enough they quit coming back except for their annual forays into the field at large.

    Direct confrontation emboldens them as they see that as an attack from the devil and so encouraged them to continue their “witnessing”.

    My witness was my behavior towards them and my faith in placing Jesus as Lord as the only real necessity for fellowship. A beginning point for civility and friendship.

    Each one of us here in this blog has our strengths and weaknesses, Jesus speaks to them in Revelation chapters 2 and 3.

    Are we listening to Him or ourselves? Is it a dark nightmarish raven we open the door to our heart, or Jesus?

    35 windy and sunny.

    Steve

  262. poohpity says:

    So I guess we should not listen to what is written in scripture, right, because they just wrote it to be talking and not out of inspiration from God. The warnings from God to me there is always a reason and even though in the past my ego got the best of me when I thought I knew best it was actually God who knows best. So as you said Steve, “Are we listening to Him or ourselves?” Isn’t learning from scripture listening to Him?

  263. street says:

    the pharasies read the Scriptures and could answer peoples question and give good answers, but they did not come away from it very well. the Word made Flesh stood before them and they rejected the One at the door. a fear, In an apparent descent into madness, the narrator describes the sorrow of lost love. a fear, that self would die. if you live for Christ, self did/will die, born again. john had it right He must increase i must decrease. the One Who lives,Jesus, gives eternal life to those who are dead. a death that is swallowed up in Victory. raised up from defeat. sold for nothing redeemed for nothing, but for for God’s Name sake and Glory. man what a wretch, Jesus what a Savior.

  264. foreverblessed says:

    …If you live for Christ,
    self did/will die…

    Those who have died the first death…
    The second death will have no effect on them…

    The death in Christ.
    When Christ hang on that cross, I was in His bossom, I died wit

    I just can believe that. Whenever my old inclinations want to take over.
    I can say out loud: Jesus is my Master! Not ….Go away!

    The cross we have tot take up, is the cross to crucify my old self! Not to give in to it.

    But fill my mind with Jesus’ words
    Jesus is King of kings, Lord of lords!

    About JW, or mormons, consider them victim of religious spirits, holding sway over them. Like I was once!

    Please pray for their souls, pray that a mission of Gospel is set up to reach oude toe them.
    For the mormons there are some already, pray for these missionaries.

    Pray! For those extremists! May God have mercy!
    May God comfort all those who lost dear ones yesterday, in Christchurch.

  265. Beloved says:

    Lost love?

    I was thinking about Nicodemus today. He went to Jesus at night because he was one of those Jesus taught not to be like and wanted to protect himself. He heard words of life, true life! That he had to be born again to live out the benefits of the Gospel…God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will be saved. (John 3:16) Then later in John 19:39NKJV And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. Thinking what a change Nicodemus went through that he was willing to endure the scorn of his brothers the Pharisees to lay down his own life to prepare Jesus’ body. The woman with the alabaster jar who annointed Jesus feet comes to mind also. LORD make me not fearful of those who can only destroy the body because I know it is well with my soul, Because He lives!

  266. Beloved says:

    100 pounds of lotion!!! Wow, no way to hide that!

  267. jeff1 says:

    God sent His son, they called Him Jesus
    He came to love, heal and forgive
    He lived and died to buy my pardon
    An empty grave is there to prove my savior lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    How sweet to hold a newborn baby
    And feel the pride and joy He gives
    But greater still the calm assurance
    This child can face uncertain day, because He lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    And then one day, I’ll cross the river
    I’ll fight life’s final war with pain
    And then, as death gives way to victory
    I’ll see the lights of glory and I’ll know He reigns

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

  268. phpatato says:

    Joyce, your last sentence prayer in your 5:03 comment…what an encouragement that was for me. Thinking of Steve’s and Street’s comments on how this world is ever spiraling downward and how Christians throughout the word right now are being murdered for their faith in Christ. How soon before our safe retreat in North America becomes like that. Your prayer is the perfect ending for that thought!

    Thank you for posting that.

    Pat xo

  269. phpatato says:

    Should read how Christians throughout the *world* right now….

    soft stroke of the finger on the “L” key.

    Sorry

  270. Beloved says:

    My greater concern Pat is for what I call the “dumbing down” of the Gospel message throughout North America. We don’t want to offend anyone. Jesus offended many, and still does. Is it our happiness that draws us to the cross, or is it our need to be saved from our sins? Is Jesus wearing kid gloves so we don’t get too offended?
    Hmm

    knock knock, can you hear Me?

    Who’s Me?

    That’s a very good question. Who do you say that I Am?

  271. phpatato says:

    I agree Joyce, there is a lot of dumbing down of the Gospel message and in North America particularly. Canadians are the worst for not wanting to offend anyone. There are jokes, actually, about us apologizing for absolutely nothing for fear of offending.

    Good thoughts!! I like where you ended up with this.

  272. Beloved says:

    We have a saying here called Minnesota Nice. It’s the assumption that you will always be nice and especially to visitors, lol.

  273. street says:

    lost love
    lost life
    lost trust

    a restored love
    a restored life
    a restored trust

    thinking about how trust affects love. thinking of a living trust. a covenant of love based on His Word. an appalling breach of love, forgiven and restored by a Holy God Who is not afraid to share in a our humanity, made in His Image. to be human is a gift of God, to be loved, a greater gift from God, when we were unlovable. to respond in kind, because He first loved us. saved from self. thinking of secular songs all by my self, and needing some one to love. i can see why. being alone is like being dead, not so with God, never alone again. dead to the world alive to God. Redeemed in Christ. thanks jeff because He lives.

  274. street says:

    a house built on the Rock will stand in the storm. because it had been built upon the Rock. Jesus our Rock.

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