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Like Father like Son

Like mother like daughter. Like father like son.

Sometimes, we see in a child the mannerisms, interests and abilities of a parent.

According to Jesus, this is what we see in his relationship with his Father “…The Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise.” (John 5:19). And, “…The Father judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father” (John 5:23).  And to those [like us] who, because they misunderstood— feared, and hated him, …“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope” (John 5:45).

In the middle of an unfolding drama, the Son says, “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me.” (John 5:30).

For a moment, those tightly packed words have my attention. Not only because of the ultimate resemblance they signal; and not just because— in the mirror image Jesus gives us of his Father— he gives us a radically merciful vision of divine justice and judgment; but also because—in seeing such wonder and mercy—we have a chance to reflect—the gracious mannerisms, loving interests, and presence of our Father in heaven.

 

 


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Most of you know I feed the critters that show up in my backyard. I have a large heart shaped rock just outside my kitchen window and one of the places I place seed for the birds and whatever other critters that may show up.

    Whereas I used to put corn out farther up in my yard on an old stump for the deer, they got to be too many and began turning my yard into a cattle pen of dug up turf and mud so I quit. However my neighbor still feeds the deer and so I still get them.

    However wherever there are deer there are usually turkey as well. The deer paw up the ground and in wither, the snow, searching for food and the turkey find it easier to then scratch the loosened soil to look for food as well. So they usually travel together.

    Last winter for whatever reason a solo hen turkey began feeding off the rock in my yard. At first there were several that came, but then as winter moved along she became the one that stuck around.

    Here it is the middle of May now and she still comes in once a day to feed. I haven’t seen the flock for several weeks, but she stayed close to our rock and I suppose steady food.

    It never ceases to amaze me to see how much nature resembles our lives and the people in it. It shouldn’t surprise me as God oversees both, but then God still teaches me from all the things and events around me.

    32 this morning under a clear sky.

    Steve

  2. SFDBWV says:

    The one stumbling block for Mormons and The Watch Tower Society is their inability to see that the Father and the Son are “One”.

    They just can’t understand how a Father can also be His own Son.

    In part it is because they can’t get past thinking carnally instead of spiritually.

    It is said that an apple don’t fall far from the tree. This is usually given in reference to the observation that the offspring of the apple tree is still an apple tree. All about observing that the offspring of people are going to be like their parents.

    Jesus takes this a step further and says He does nothing that He doesn’t see the Father doing, and while confusing says His judgement is just because He does the will of the Father after saying the Father has given all judgement to Him.

    So the judgement of Jesus is reflected in the will of the Father.

    So then our judgement should reflect the will of the Son who all judgement is given and by so doing we also do the will of the Father.

    Whereas it is written “Judge not lest you be judged” we are also given the Holy Spirit so that we can discern between right and wrong as seen by the Father.

    The Spirt that aids us in judging is the Triune Spirit of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    Where would we be concerning making judgement calls without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

    In simpler times our cartoons would often show a little devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other each trying to influence the individual as what to do.

    It may be a simple caricature, but graphic enough to make the point.

    All of our decisions are placed in such a manner and realizing it or not we make judgement calls all day long and about everything including the actions of other people.

    As long as we do the will of that little angels urging and judge according to the will of the Holy Spirit we are aligned with doing the will of the Father, just as Jesus said He did and wants us to do likewise.

    Discernment via of the Holy Spirit is one of the things I pray for and thank God for daily, sometimes moment by moment.

    Steve

  3. Beloved says:

    John 5:30 strikes me that Jesus listened to His Father, not man. We have much to say, many opinions, ideas etc based on our fallen human thinking (but not always if we listen to the Word through the word of God.) Jesus knew this and showed the benevolent essence of our creator in His life of loving sacrifice. Something to think about further.

  4. poohpity says:

    God’s will for us human beings is not a secret He clearly told us what it is; “To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. Listen!” Then in another place Jesus shared more; “Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the will of God?” 29Jesus replied, “The will of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

    Then when we believe in the One God sent, Jesus He told us what His mission is “God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”

    If He did come to judge; His divine judgement and justice is pure because only God knows the whole person, every little detail about what has made a person the person they are yet He withholds that judgement for now.
    For someone to think that because they have the Holy Spirit living in them gives them the right to judge another person they seem to forget they are limited in their knowledge of the person they are judging because they are still fallible and actually have not listened closely to that Holy Spirit they say they have.

    The Holy Spirit will not teach us anything contrary to the teaching of Jesus who taught, “Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?” I guess DO NOT means nothing to those who are not following Jesus but their own selfish pride to think they have the same abilities as God does.

  5. poohpity says:

    It is plainly told to us what the purpose of the Holy Spirit is and take notice it says nothing about helping us to JUDGE OTHERS.

    Jesus said, “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.” AND “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.”

    Then in these times will give us discernment regarding; “Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.”

    If one has never come to know the truth or the Words and teaching of Jesus the Holy Spirit certainly will not be able to remind them of anything He taught.

  6. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    May 15, 2019 at 6:18 am

    Discernment via of the Holy Spirit is one of the things I pray for and thank God for daily, sometimes moment by moment.

    My dad had the same wisdom Steve, and instinctively he knew when another Christian was leading him astray.

    His strength was my weakness but his example has been a blessing as he knew where to get his leadership from and why he was aligned with God’s ways when all around him were not.

    God rewards discipline and I know because my dad had one of the most disciplined minds and hearts and it wasn’t man driven but God given.

  7. street says:

    angels mediators Jesus Spirit.

    19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

    angels- messengers of law

    mediators-a reply to the law by man in a mediator

    Jesus- God’s response to mans reply

    Spirit-new life- by faith in Christ.

    has the messenger, the law, the mediator, The Son, The Spirit failed? it is written Jeremiah 4:26
    I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before his fierce anger.

    Jeremiah 9:11
    “I will make Jerusalem a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals; and I will lay waste the towns of Judah so no one can live there.”

    Jeremiah 30:18
    “This is what the Lord says: “‘I will restore the fortunes of Jacob’s tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place.

    9 I myself will be surety for him; you may hold me responsible for him. If I do not bring him back to you and set him before you, then let me bear the blame before you forever.

    children of promise.

    thinking of the woman at the well waiting for the Messiah. it wasn’t her that was waiting it was Jesus waiting for her, like a Father. oh the patients and goodness of the Lord.

  8. bratimus says:

    The Key to all this is Faith

    WE don’t have a complete understanding in God’s ways.

    So we walk in faith, Jesus has delivered us, and the Holy Spirit will guide us.

    The Brat

  9. street says:

    faith- the gift of God.

  10. Beloved says:

    Before Peter denies him three times Jesus says to him, “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” Jesus prays for Peter’s faith to be sustained even through sin, because he knows that God is the one who sustains faith. Piper

  11. poohpity says:

    To me what is very sad is people think they can not get to know God even after God took on human flesh to reveal Himself to us!!

  12. Beloved says:

    Pooh that may be caused by denial. Could you also be in denial here on this blog? Just asking.

  13. street says:

    was thinking about abraham and how well he trusted God, incredible? thinking about the time He visited him before the destruction of the two cities. even telling him before hand. he talked and bargained with God, as God. he really knew Who he was talking to and Who was talking to him.

    God has finally spoken to “us” through His Son.

  14. street says:

    thinking further…God has spoken “finally” through His Son? this lead me to a real teaser….what of peter james john and paul…..?

    the thought….we have a chance to reflect—the gracious mannerisms, loving interests, and presence of our Father in heaven.

  15. jeff1 says:

    Created for Union with God

    Unbounded, holy Breath,
    You flood all time and space,
    While we, so here and now,
    Are dust and deep disgrace.

    Refrain:
    Father, Source of all,
    All that we pursue,
    See us, frail and incomplete.
    Our wholeness, Lord, is You.

    All-knowing, mighty God,
    Pure goodness ever near,
    We struggle, small and lost,
    All selfishness and fear.

    What poverty within!
    What unimagined wealth!
    You bless us with this need
    To bless us with Yourself.

  16. SFDBWV says:

    While outside this morning feeding the birds and talking to God it dawned on me that you and I are children of Adam and Eve and so we naturally are like them.

    Really we don’t know too much about them except they failed the test and began this long journey for mankind to live out the predestined time of man and his return to God.

    Because I live in a semi-rural small town existence I am privileged to know a lot of people, their parents, grandparents and other family members.

    “Like father like son” is evident in a most clearly seen habits and actions of not only myself, but others around me.

    I think perhaps Adam and Eve were exactly like all of us or any of us. Because when I think about genealogy I am reminded that I am they and they are me.

    The color of my eyes, the way I smile, the way I walk and so many of my habits all are a culmination of all of those who came before me in my genealogical line. And if you believe, then all the way back to Adam and Eve.

    From the dust of the earth we were formed and life entered us from the breath of God.

    God the Father as well as God the Holy Spirit are spiritual beings, and Jesus the offspring of Mary a daughter of man and The Holy Spirit, God the Father.

    God became flesh through Mary, but retained His Spiritual existence as God by the mystery and power of the Holy Spirit

    “Like Father like Son” means just that, Jesus is like God the Father and we are like Adam. However Jesus offers us a new beginning a new birth whereas we are “born again” with God as our Father becoming a new creature.

    Again, a mystery, but that old genealogical line always trying to reconnect fighting against a new genealogical line straight to God, our creator and Spiritual Father.

    Sometimes we succeed and reflect God our Father and sometimes we fail and reflect Adam our earthly father.

    Whose eyes we see through often reflect from whose heart we come from. We clearly see which father it is we reflect, too often too late to realize it. Relying on God’s grace to forgive the Adam in us all.

    46 and clear this morning.

    Steve

  17. jeff1 says:

    Our Father knows what’s best for us,
    So why should we complain
    We always want the sunshine,
    But He knows there must be rain

    We love the sound of laughter
    And the merriment of cheer,
    But our hearts would lose their tenderness
    If we never shed a tear…

    Our Father tests us often
    With suffering and with sorrow,
    He tests us, not to punish us,
    But to help us meet tomorrow…

    For growing trees are strengthened
    When they withstand the storm,
    And the sharp cut of a chisel
    Gives the marble grace and form…

    God never hurts us needlessly,
    And He never wastes our pain
    For every loss He send to us
    Is followed by rich gain…

    And when we count the blessings
    That God has so freely sent,
    We will find no cause for murmuring
    And no time to lament…

    For our Father loves His children,
    And to Him all things are plain,
    So He never sends us pleasure
    When the soul’s deep need is pain…

    So whenever we are troubled,
    And when everything goes wrong,
    It is just God working in us
    To make our spirit strong.

  18. poohpity says:

    Joyce I thought you said you were never going to read anything I wrote again?

    It would seem that one really has to know someone closely before they can imitate them. How easy it seems to imitate the world when that is all one fills their mind with.

    Eph 5: Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children. 2 Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ……

    8 For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light! 9 For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.

    Luke 6: But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

    James 3:17 NLT

    Eph 3: I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. 17 Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong. 18 And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. 19 May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

  19. Beloved says:

    Thanks for the sermon pooh, I pray the same for you also!

  20. poohpity says:

    My Jesus by Todd Agnew

    Which Jesus do you follow?
    Which Jesus do you serve?
    If Ephesians says to imitate Christ
    Then why do you look so much like the world?

    Cause my Jesus bled and died
    He spent His time with thieves and liars
    He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant
    So which one do you want to be?

    Blessed are the poor in spirit
    Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land
    Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness
    Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand

    ‘Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins
    He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars
    He loved the poor and accosted the rich
    So which one do you want to be?

    Who is this that you follow
    This picture of the American dream
    If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side or fall down and worship at His holy feet

    Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion
    Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins
    But the Word says He was battered and scarred
    Or did you miss that part
    Sometimes I doubt we’d recognize Him

    ‘Cause my Jesus bled and died
    He spent His time with thieves and the least of these
    He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable
    So which one do you want to be?

    ‘Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church
    The blood and dirt on His feet would stain the carpet
    But He reaches for the hurting and despised the proud
    I think He’d prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd
    And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud

    I want to be like my Jesus!
    I want to be like my Jesus!

    Not a posterchild for American prosperity, but like my Jesus
    You see I’m tired of living for success and popularity
    I want to be like my Jesus but I’m not sure what that means to be like You Jesus
    ‘Cause You said to live like You, love like You but then You died for me
    Can I be like You Jesus?
    I want to be like my Jesus

  21. Beloved says:

    His mercies are new EVERY morning. It’s a new day! Forgetting those things that are behind I press on for the sake of the gospel. The gospel makes it easy to forgive and forget yesterday’s troubles. Praying for grace to go through another day and to receive multiple blessings from my Abba Father!

  22. poohpity says:

    Joyce only the first sentence was for you I know the rest would not make any difference to you.

  23. Beloved says:

    If we only had one zintillionth of the patience our Heavenly Father has!

  24. poohpity says:

    I do not have patience with people who lie. Talk about denial.

  25. poohpity says:

    I do have to say Joyce because I know your background that I do love you even if I can not believe a word you say that will never stop that.

  26. Beloved says:

    Like mother like daughter. Like father like son.
    Sometimes, we see in a child the mannerisms, interests and abilities of a parent.

    Thinking of addiction being passed down to the children. Someone painfully said to me once, I can’t stop doing a puzzle until it’s done and often don’t get to sleep until 4 or 5 am! She looked so tired. I said, well, there are worse addictions I guess.
    I’ve wondered at times whether my strong attraction to theology is driven by my need for answers to why I suffer with food/spending addictions, relentless Bible study, and overall need for comforting. Why do I run from Jesus sometimes to my nearest comforting tool? Yes I learned these things from my parents and I know Jesus is far far better at comforting me yet there is something in my Adam/Eve flesh that wants to rebel. The fight is real– the world flesh and devil scream loudly compared to the still small voice of Jesus. I wish I knew/trusted Jesus better, but I guess it’s a journey for most everyone. So grateful for His faithfulness.

    Prone to wander LORD I feel it prone to leave the God I love…take my heart LORD take and seal it seal it for thy courts above.

    Like Father so is the Son.

  27. Beloved says:

    Interesting pooh that knowing your background I too know you to be a liar also. Aren’t we all on one level or another? How else can we be? The struggle to be like other believers is real. To have grown up in loving Christian household with no abuse of any kind is unreal to some of us. Then we get saved and find that most can’t understand us and the struggles/sins we’ve dealt with so either fight for a place or retreat into solitary existence (me). Add on a mental illness and that really leads to isolation. Myself I’ve been traumatized fighting for a place in the Body so many times in tired old and just done. Thank God for His faithfulness to us, all of us.

  28. Beloved says:

    Pooh when I said you were a shady character I believed a true Christian didn’t sin, much or ongoing anyway per I John. But I know I expect way too much from other Christians because I strive for righteous living. You still have that ongoing fighting rebelliousness that is so unChristlike and lack humility I expect from a longtime believer. I love you too, pooh.

  29. Beloved says:

    Gotta go get some catfood, and hopefully successful to avoid the donut case.

  30. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I discovered that mental illness has still a stigma for many and so I keep my struggles between God and myself though I have very good family support and good friends who support me and I know I have much to be thankful for because I know there are people who are isolated because of a lack of understanding of mental illness which makes people fear those with it.

    Knowing God loves us with all our shortcomings is what gives us the will to go on and I understand what you are saying about expectations of others but I am learning that I need to be at Jesus’s feet learning from Him and letting others do the same as it is He who meets my needs while others confuse my needs with theirs.

    I’ve had many tears and sorrows,
    I’ve had questions for tomorrow,
    there’s been times I didn’t know right from wrong.
    But in every situation,
    God gave me blessed consulation,
    that my trials come to only make me strong.

    Chorus
    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    Verse 2
    I’ve been to lots of places,
    I’ve seen a lot of faces,
    there’s been times I felt so all alone.
    But in my lonely hours,
    yes, those precious lonely hours,
    Jesus lets me know that I was His own

    Chorus

    Verse 3
    I thank God for the mountains,
    and I thank Him for the valleys,
    I thank Him for the storms He brought me through.
    For if I’d never had a problem,
    I wouldn’t know God could solve them,
    I’d never know what faith in God could do

  31. Beloved says:

    Thanks viv. Yes, through it all I’ve learned to trust in Jesus. I’ve lost all my family and my 2 closest friends now lately so going it alone for the first time. No more face to face conversation which I miss. Gods got a plan for me though, I believe it but don’t necessarily like to have my flesh cut off. It’s all part of the Deal though. God is good and my creator so I bow to Him. Jesus made it possible.

  32. jeff1 says:

    Yes, its hard to see our loved ones and friends pass on as we have bonds with them through sharing our lives that another cannot replace.

    Maybe its God’s way of drawing us to Himself as it seems this world does become more alien the older I get.

    I like these quotes from C. S. Lewis.

    Has this world been so kind to you that you should leave with regret? There are better things ahead than any we leave behind.

    Everyone has noticed how hard it is to turn our thoughts to God when everything is going well with us… While what we call ‘our own life’ remains agreeable, we will not surrender it to Him. What, then, can God do in our interests but make ‘our own life’ less agreeable to us, and take away the plausible sources of false happiness?

    “The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us.”

    “God can’t give us peace and happiness apart from Himself because there is no such thing.”

    “[God] will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of heaven as a shortcut to the nearest chemist’s shop.”

    I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.”

    “The more we let God take us over, the more truly ourselves we become – because He made us. He invented us. He invented all the different people that you and I were intended to be. . .It is when I turn to Christ, when I give up myself to His personality, that I first begin to have a real personality of my own.”

    “Remember He is the artist and you are only the picture. You can’t see it. So quietly submit to be painted—i.e., keep fulfilling all the obvious duties of your station (you really know quite well enough what they are!), asking forgiveness for each failure and then leaving it alone. You are in the right way. Walk—don’t keep on looking at it.”

  33. bubbles says:

    Two disjointed thoughts:

    1. According to Mart’s last paragraph he states how Jesus gives us a radically merciful divine vision of justice. The older I become, the more thankful and cognizant of the preciousness of God’s mercy he affords us. It appears we focus on God’s love more than His mercy. However, mercy and love are partners. If one loves another, mercy will be in place. His mercies are new every morning. Think of that: new mercies every morning. How precious and how humbling for us that Almighty God would show us MERCY AND LOVE.

    2. Just as we can see our Father in Jesus, there are a few people who I’ve been privileged to know who are like this. Being in their presence is uplifting They reflect our Heavenly Father so well that it is a blessing to be with them. They have a holiness about them; they are peaceful, wise, and kind. I am not eloquent so I cannot describe the uniqueness of these dear people.

    Hope everyone here has a peaceful evening. Take care, dear friends.

  34. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Bubbles, for your thoughts, and for your blessing.
    I accept them, and they warm my heart.

    Thank you Jeff, for Lewis’ qoutes.

    So Father, so Son, so we His children.

    As Mart wrote
    “but also because—in seeing such wonder and mercy—we have a chance to reflect—the gracious mannerisms, loving interests, and presence of our Father in heaven.”

    I read this yesterday in God at eventide, and it appears :
    that Jesus counts on us….
    To show Him to the World.

    God at Eventide:
    May 16 – Hungry Hearts

    We would see Jesus.

    This is still the cry of a hungry, dissatisfied, seeking world.

    I look to My followers to satisfy that cry.

    Reflect Me, that the seekers may see Me in you, and then go on to company with Me.

    Rejoice at this as John rejoiced when he could point his disciples to Me with the brave and humble words, “He must increase, and I must decrease.”

    Go on in Faith and Joy and Love.

  35. jeff1 says:

    bubbles says:
    May 16, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    2. Just as we can see our Father in Jesus, there are a few people who I’ve been privileged to know who are like this. Being in their presence is uplifting They reflect our Heavenly Father so well that it is a blessing to be with them. They have a holiness about them; they are peaceful, wise, and kind. I am not eloquent so I cannot describe the uniqueness of these dear people.

    Thinking that I too have known a ‘few’ which is perhaps why I cling to the hope of a better world to come as their example reminds me of what reflecting Jesus should look like.

    I believe that C. S. Lewis’s quote on what I should expect when I choose to be a Christian is very true as the wrong expectations often leads to disappointment while the enormity of being a Christian in a secular world is not a small undertaking but one in which I will need God with me every step of the way.

  36. poohpity says:

    Eph 2:10

    Do Something
    Matthew West

    I woke up this morning
    Saw a world full of trouble now, thought
    How’d we ever get so far down, and
    How’s it ever gonna turn around
    So I turned my eyes to Heaven
    I thought, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    Well, I just couldn’t bear the thought of
    People living in poverty
    Children sold into slavery

    The thought disgusted me
    So, I shook my fist at Heaven
    Said, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    He said, “I did, yeah, I created you” (now listen)

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yeah
    If not now, then when?
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    I’m so tired of talking about
    How we are God’s hands and feet
    But it’s easier to say than to be
    Live like angels of apathy who tell ourselves
    It’s alright, “somebody else will do something”
    Well, I don’t know about you
    But I’m sick and tired of life with no desire
    I don’t want a flame, I want a fire and
    I wanna be the one who stands up and says
    “I’m gonna do something”

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yes it is, come on
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    We are the salt of the earth
    We are a city on a hill
    We’re never gonna change the world
    By standing still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now
    It’s time for us to do something
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    It’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something

  37. poohpity says:

    bubbles wrote; “Just as we can see our Father in Jesus, there are a few people who I’ve been privileged to know who are like this. Being in their presence is uplifting They reflect our Heavenly Father so well that it is a blessing to be with them.”

    Why is it always about other people? Shouldn’t we ask ourselves, “Am I being a reflection of Jesus?” Isn’t that where our concern should lie? Why look around when it is individuals that make up the body of Christ and if each does what they can do boy wouldn’t that give the church a better name than keeping score of other people’s behavior, we are so focused outward we miss what God has prepared for YOU/ME to do.

  38. poohpity says:

    BE that person others enjoy being around! BE the change you want in others!

  39. jeff1 says:

    Its because we see our own failings much easier than we can another’s that we look to others who are more Godly than ourselves to be a mentor.

    As someone whose mind was very disturbed I had to let my dad be my mind and to this day I look for people who have my dad’strength of character because I have always been easily influenced by others which is what led me away from God.

    If you trust another more than you trust your own discernment then it follows that you will trust their judgements before your own.

    I cannot see why it seems so alien to you Pooh that one part of the body needs another part as to my thinking that is what we represent in the Body of Christ as one’s weakness is another’s strength and no man is an island.

  40. Beloved says:

    He must increase, I must decrease. Forever that was what the LORD impressed on me today also. Thinking about how worship of the self and all it’s ways of doing are nothing compared with the rich rewarding knowledge of Jesus, who gave up all of Himself for us. His words His wisdom knowledge works meant nothing for our salvation, it was His act of dying that brought us the release from sin selves success and poverty we strive for in its many forms. Thankful for the Holy Spirit that enables me to live above my circumstances heart and soul. Jesus, King forever.

  41. poohpity says:

    Viv, I do not know how you came up with that I think we do not need each other on this journey of life. I have said multiple times ALL parts of the body are needed along this journey. So it is not at all alien to me but we sure do not need others to tear us down with malicious false slander so again I have no idea where you came up with that false assumption. Please give me one example of me saying we do not need each other! Just one. I bet you will not be able to not even one.

  42. Beloved says:

    “We “have a moral duty to be happy” is clearly taught in Scripture (though there are proper times for grieving and not being happy, for example, when a loved one dies) and is common sense. Scripture tells us we should have shalom (a sense of well-being), joy, peace, and a zest for life in the Kingdom. Further, when we’re happy in this way, the people around us at work, in our family and circle of friends, and in the church are uplifted in spirit, encouraged, and motivated to grow and serve. When we’re anxious and depressed, we tend to have a negative impact on those around us. If this is the case, we should not respond with guilt and shame. Rather, we should seek the help and knowledge we need to grow out of these things”.
    Excerpt from an interview of J P Moreland on overcoming anxiety and depression.

  43. foreverblessed says:

    Anxiety and depression…
    we give it to Jesus
    we lay it at the Cross
    Here is my depression, and my anxiety
    And then ask for His peace, His Comfort.

    The Cross is one bib exchange.

    Only, I am human and as soon as I walk away from the Cross, I take up my anxiety again.
    There is where the perseverence comes in:
    Persevere in coming back again and again, and laying it at the Cross.

    And there comes in on not feeding my mind with these negative thoughts,
    instead filling it with the words of the Bible,
    the encouraging words:

    “Thus I have become in His eyes like one bringing contentment”
    Song of Solomon 8:10b or Song of Songs 8:10

    Oh, how these words are true: Jesus cannot let His eyes off from us. He sees our struggling, our wanting to come to Him.
    Just do no give up on coming to Him

    Like the woman, Beloved that you talked about lately, who said: Oh, this is all make belief.

    When nothing happens at once, that we do not think:
    It is all a lie, Jesus does not help me.

    James 5:11
    As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

  44. poohpity says:

    Where is it taught in scripture that “we have a moral duty to be “happy”?” Full of joy yes because we are children of God but happiness only happens depending on circumstance we find ourselves in.

    Viv, what I do say repeatedly and is found in scripture it is not our job to judge whether a Christian is a good or bad one. But it is our job to make sure we are a follower of Jesus not whether anyone else is. If more people were to read scripture and the teaching of Jesus the blinders may come off to what that is supposed to look like, being a follower of Jesus that is, then they would see they have no room to talk abut anyone else.

    If anything just read the things Jesus taught, in some bibles the red letters, then a person can score themselves on how they are doing and not feel the need to judge others. It is very nice to see people that are filled with the spirit of God because they are the ones who are busy doing His work and leaving the convicting to the Holy Spirit. John 16:8

  45. Beloved says:

    Thinking we can forgive those who we say maliciously slander us instead of complaining about it and feeling sorry for ourselves, if we know Jesus we can, if not, well, keep on complaining I guess!

  46. poohpity says:

    Those type of followers of Jesus usually mind their own business and are not busybodies or gossips.

  47. Beloved says:

    Pooh you don’t understand, that’s obvious. What I don’t understand is how you have not grown one iota in your spiritual knowledge since you found out about Jesus. Not one inch of progress in what you write here after many years! I’m astounded. Your responses to myself and others betray your deceptive nature. Human nature. But I love you, still.

  48. Beloved says:

    Whatsoever things are true honest just….. precedes the rest of the verse…lovely pure virtuous praiseworthy think on these things. Speaking the truth honestly with justice is being loving. Oh my!

  49. Beloved says:

    Pooh are you clean, sober, hooked on prescription pain killers or?

  50. Beloved says:

    Not accusing just asking.

  51. phpatato says:

    Just a reminder, dear friends….there is a rare “seasonal” full blue moon tomorrow night. Rare. The May 18 full moon happens to be the third of four full moons appearing during the spring season of 2019, so it fits the definition of a “seasonal blue moon.” This spring already had full moons on March 20 and April 19, and two more are coming, one tomorrow night, May 18 and one on June 17. If four full moons — instead of three — occur during one astronomical season (spring, summer, fall or winter), the third full moon of the season is called a “blue moon” and is considered rare.

    I wonder if this rare blue moon will be the cause of unexpected and definitely rare, nice, edifying and uplifting comments, instead of those that pick apart – especially pick apart – condemn, judge and point the finger at, rude ones that cause dissension and discord? That would be a rare occurrence on here for sure. And such a welcomed change…. for once.

    But at any rate, beware, the full moon rises. Don’t fall into the trap that has already been set.

    Why do I always allude to full moons? Although scientific evidence fails to attribute clear physical cause to full moon behaviour, more than 40 percent in the medical community are convinced that lunar phases can affect human behaviour. Many emergency-room doctors, firefighters and police officers enjoy swapping stories about the crazy accidents and incidents that take place on nights when the sky is bright by a full moon, blaming lunar cycles for the perceived uptick in unusual activity. My late aunt was a RN for more than 40 years and she swore the maternity ward beds were filled to capacity at every full moon. She said it was a case of seeing is believing, especially when it occurred so consistently over many decades. My brother retired as a district chief in the fire department and he too can attest to this full moon behaviour with countless stories.

    Once in a blue moon….will it actually happen this time around, on here. Mart, don’t hold your breath.

    Pat xo

  52. Beloved says:

    Street if I am wrong about the verse please help me, thanks.

  53. foreverblessed says:

    Another bible verse comes to mind:

    This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints

    Revelation 13:10, 14:12

    The saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
    The first, or one of the first commands Jesus gives is
    Come to Me, all who are heave laden,
    and I will give you rest.
    Matthew 11:28

    Do not give up on laying at the Cross all your burdens!
    And there will come a time, when you will think:
    Hey, for a while now, I did not feel anxiety.

    It happened so slowly, that it is hardly noticed.

    I had a friend, who had been abused, but wanted God to take away negative thoughts, she said:
    If the thoughts do not come anymore, THEN I am healed.
    So she waited for healing and was moaning over the negative thoughts still harassing her.
    Maybe you would understand her…
    That is why I like the teaching of Joyce Meyer, who teaches that after our initial salvation, that is all the work of Grace, the Cross,
    after that we have a part to play:
    Grab negative thoughts as soon as they appear in your head!
    Do not allow one second on them, they will set you back for awhile again.

    And even better: Start praising, singing songs.
    But Jeff and you and others have said this often:
    listening to Gospel music.

    Calming the mind.

  54. Beloved says:

    Pat I worked in an Alzheimer’s unit and dealt with sundowners syndrome (We closed the drapes at sundown as it did upset many) and seemed to have more “behaviors” during a full moon. But it could have been coincidental, I know of no data confirming the validity of it. One thing I do know for sure from many years in mental health crisis units with lots of turnover weekly sometimes daily there was always one that needed more attention from staff than the others, no matter the numbers. It seems to be the way of things both annoying and sometimes needful. Sigh..

  55. Beloved says:

    Thanks forever, it is a journey!

  56. Beloved says:

    I’m not a fan of Joyce, Beth or other emotional type preachers because for me their personas alone leave me running for a dark quiet room. But I learn better from more calm scholarly types like prof Moreland. That’s just me :-).

  57. Beloved says:

    Circumstances may try to dictate our happiness or sadness in life but being in Christ we CAN rise above them, as if on eagles wings!

  58. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 17, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Viv, what I do say repeatedly and is found in scripture it is not our job to judge whether a Christian is a good or bad one. But it is our job to make sure we are a follower of Jesus not whether anyone else is. If more people were to read scripture and the teaching of Jesus the blinders may come off to what that is supposed to look like, being a follower of Jesus that is, then they would see they have no room to talk abut anyone else.

    I don’t think it is my job to judge another Christian, but, since I spent my young life following Christians who were not focused on Jesus, I was wandering from God rather than to Him, so it was God who used my dad to draw me back to Himself.

    You cannot control the behaviour of another so it is foolish to try and God will do what He has to do to correct others just as He has found a way to correct me.

    Remembering that God is in control gives me a peace that endures and that is a real blessing in this life I find.

  59. bubbles says:

    BECAUSE, POOH, I MADE A COMMENT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE BEING A BLESSING. A SIMPLE COMMENT ABOUT HOW SOME ARE GRACIOUS, KIND, AND LOVING IN A WAY THAT IS EDIFYING. THEY MADE A DEEP IMPRESSION ON ME. NOTHING IS WRONG IN WHAT I SAID AND ALL HERE KNOW IT. IT IS GOOD TO APPRECIATE THE WAY OTHERS REFLECT JESUS. AND, OF COURSE, DESIRE TO BE THAT WAY ALSO.

  60. poohpity says:

    I so agree it is not our job to control others. I also agree that God will correct those He loves and allow them to serve consequences for their behaviors hopefully to keep them from repeating. Yes God uses people to bring us back to God especially those whoa re spiritual.

    Gal 6: Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. 2 Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own work. Then he will have reason to boast in himself alone, and not in someone else 5For we are each responsible for our own conduct.

  61. poohpity says:

    Yes bubbles that is so true. But I was not saying it was wrong I was just saying that we each should try to act like that.

  62. poohpity says:

    So there was no need to yell at me in anger with your sweet loving voice. ;-)

  63. Beloved says:

    TOXIC. Using Gods Word to infiltrate and cause troubles within the Body of Christ. Having a form of godliness but denying it’s power. To ignore it is to condone it.

  64. poohpity says:

    Yes that is what you do Joyce, TOXIC and cause problems within the body of Christ here, in your church and in your family as you have shared in the past.

    Oh yes as for your question on addictions I am addicted to nicotine but I do take 5 different meds for palliative care since I am dying. They help improve the quality of life for me.

  65. Beloved says:

    Toxic. Maybe we all need a pill or two to improve the quality of life on the blog? Your words here are always critical and negative as usual. Dying has not softened your heart, yet. Not even going to respond to your latest snipes at me. But I will keep speaking truth in love to you, Pooh. I was just praying for you. God is bigger and you are NOT as in charge of things as you think and promote here. Hope you experience Gods peace very soon.

  66. poohpity says:

    Eph 4:15 that is the meaning of speaking the truth in love. Not what you think is truth nor your kind of love. lol

  67. Beloved says:

    Growing up in Christ, yes, which is my desire for you as I’ve said before. (Eph. 4:15)

  68. SFDBWV says:

    I admit sometimes I have trouble visualizing God. Every cartoon drawing I have ever seen of Him is an old heavy set white man with white hair and a full flowing white beard.

    I believe the depiction of Him in the Sistine Chapple is pretty much the same thing.

    Not so odd all of the Nordic, Greek and Roman depictions of their top god looks the same.

    Then we have Jesus, the only depictions of Him are the many early church paintings, which I am told come from the image seen by them on the Shroud of Turin.

    However once again what we see is a younger version of the older version of God.

    Of course all of the other ethnic groups in the world may have a personal problem having God presented to them as He is.

    Years ago a black friend and I were talking of our faith and he ask me where I thought the races came from, since we all were descendants of Adam and Eve.

    My youthful immediate response was that I thought the races came from inbreeding within the sons of Noah who dispersed from the ark as explained in Genesis chapters 10 and 11.

    However that was just speculation on my part and an easy answer to his question.

    Nearly every culture and religion on earth believes in some form of life or existence after death. They all believe in a soul or a spirit being representative of ourselves complete with memory and knowledge of our life in a flesh and bone body.

    Ultimately God is the Father of us all, as He breathed life into Adam and Adam passed this along to all of his descendants. How do you think we show our Spiritual Father instinctively in our lives?

    We read in our Bible that God gets angry, is jealous and seeks revenge or perhaps better said exerts judgement. Don’t we all do the same things?

    The gods of Greek, Roman, Nordic and other cultures all gave their god’s human characteristics. I wonder if it is inverted in that we have inherited God’s characteristics rather than we imagine He too has them.

    Then we come to Jesus of Nazareth who says that if you see Him you see God. Not only see Him, but God’s very nature is shown in the nature of Jesus as well.

    Where then do we see Jesus’ nature? Some is given in writing in the letters of the NT, but where else is His nature seen? In answer to my own question, it should be shown in our nature as professing followers of Jesus and once born again filled with His Holy Spirit so that His Spirt is what is shown through and by us.

    Why isn’t it always?

    We instinctively know when we fail and through confession to God ask forgiveness for our failures, and just as easily see the same failures in the actions of those around us. However that doesn’t make us pious or snobbish or errantly judgmental, it simply means we can see the difference between right and wrong in ourselves and in others.

    Spare the rod and spoil the child is a quote from Scripture. Used as a way of correcting the behavior of a child and used in correcting the childish behavior in adults as well.

    If ignored in the misguided sense of not being judgmental of an errant believer then the “child” simply gets worse and more settled in that behavior and more difficult to correct over time.

    Then once again we come to the fruits of the Spirit. His Spirit and His Spirit in us. We are told to recognize His Spirit in our own behavior and in others. It is impossible to see one and not also see the absence of His Spirit in our own actions and certainly in others.

    God seen the absence of His Spirit so clearly in humans that He sacrificed His only Son so that humans could have the indwelling of His Spirit.

    Like our Heavenly Father we too see and we too can discern between right and wrong. Forgiveness isn’t ignoring sin in another, it is forgiving it.

    Well I have given myself and hopefully some of you something to think about this morning.

    58 degrees under cloudy skies.

    Steve

  69. poohpity says:

    If people think God looks like Santa Claus then maybe that is why they treat Him as if He is. God is Spirit(John 4:24), Jesus is fully human and fully God the fully human part was resurrected and given a resurrected body that could live eternally resistant to decay.

    Whoever said Adam and Eve were white in skin color? If one looks at the color of the dust of the ground/soil it sure isn’t white.(Gen 2:7) There is only one race and that is the human race which includes every skin color and because of the gene pool being pure at that time there were probably not any white people they came after 1000’s of generation were bred down.

  70. Beloved says:

    Because He has already been our help, we feel confidence in Him for the present and the future. —Spurgeon

  71. poohpity says:

    They got bleached out, lol.

  72. jeff1 says:

    Forgiveness has been a great struggle for me but without that struggle then forgiveness is just words and I need for my own peace of mind to put my own anger and hatred in Jesus’s hands and since I have done so I no longer feel the need to feel vengeful towards my enemies.

    My dad knew not to play God and there is great wisdom in knowing that because he never did have any bitterness towards his enemies which kept him right with God.

    I must keep the right relationship with God in order to have the right relationship with others I believe.

  73. poohpity says:

    Also whoever said that Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives were white? Isn’t God more concerned with His image in us which concerns not what the outside looks like but what the inside looks like;

    2 Peter: I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

    2 May God give you more and more grace and peace as you grow in your knowledge of God and Jesus our Lord.

    3 By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. 4 And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world’s corruption caused by human desires.

    5 In view of all this, “MAKE EVERY EFFORT” to respond to God’s promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone.

    8 The MORE YOU GROW LIKE THIS, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.

    10 So, dear brothers and sisters, “WORK HARD” to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. “DO THESE THINGS”, and you will never fall away. 11 Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  74. bratimus says:

    I read Steve’s comments on the face of God and the face of Jesus in in some depictions in the world.

    I look for the Face of Jesus in God’s creation(s).

    We need to seek Christ first for a chance to see God’s face.

    Personally I thinks Jesus is playing peek a boo with me, but He isn’t peeking and I just get the boo.

    It’s not that Jesus is covering His face with his hands, It’s that He is covering my eyes with his hands.
    So I walk in faith, which is a gift from God through His grace. So try to walk in God’s grace what ever He might shine down on me.

    Some might think that Jesus is playing hide n go seek with them. Jesus isn’t hiding your seeking Him in the wrong place.

    These are my thoughts and if you don’t understand them that’s all right. Some might, some might not.

    Prayers and Peace to all.

    The Brat

  75. bratimus says:

    By the way I love Steve’s comments, usually after reading Mart’s post my thoughts on it Steve has already written. So I don’t post because it’s already there. I also have trouble putting my thoughts into words.

    I have trouble putting my thoughts into words so I post short statements.

    Thank You Steve for the great comments :)

    The Brat

  76. SFDBWV says:

    Bratimus allow me to humbly thank you for your kind words. The secret is to say something when you have something to say.

    I and I am sure everyone here also loves to hear from you. It isn’t always important how articulate we are with what we have to say, but rather that we speak honestly what is in our hearts.

    Your comments clearly speak of your love of Jesus and the Holy Spirit in you and in your comments.

    Share what your heart has to say and you will always be spot on.

    Thank you again for your kind words of encouragement.

    Steve

  77. jeff1 says:

    I can relate to having difficult in putting thoughts into words and also comprehension. English and Geography were my worst subjects at school and I am afraid still are.

    “The Heart Of Worship”

    When the music fades
    All is stripped away
    And I simply come
    Longing just to bring
    Something that’s of worth
    That will bless Your heart
    I’ll bring You more than a song
    For a song in itself
    Is not what You have required
    You search much deeper within
    Through the way things appear
    You’re looking into my heart

    I’m coming back to the heart of worship
    And it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus
    I’m sorry, Lord, for the thing I’ve made
    When it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus

    King of endless worth
    No one could express
    How much You deserve
    Though I’m weak and poor
    All I have is Yours
    Every single breath
    I’ll bring You more than a song
    For a song in itself
    Is not what You have required
    You search much deeper within
    Through the way things appear
    You’re looking into my heart

    I’m coming back to the heart of worship
    And it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus
    I’m sorry, Lord, for the thing I’ve made
    And it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus

    I’m coming back to the heart of worship
    And it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus
    I’m sorry, Lord, for the thing I’ve made
    When it’s all about You
    It’s all about You, Jesus

  78. Beloved says:

    Good morning fellow travelers!

    Because He has already been our help, we feel confidence in Him for the present and the future. —Spurgeon

  79. poohpity says:

    Mart said, “in the mirror image Jesus gives us of his Father— he gives us a radically merciful vision of divine justice and judgment; but also because—in seeing such wonder and mercy—we have a chance to reflect—the gracious mannerisms, loving interests, and presence of our Father in heaven.”

    Jesus taught early in His time on earth; Matt 5: God blesses those who are merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Then a while later gave a parable to teach what He meant in Matt 18:

    “Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him. 24 In the process, one of his debtors was brought in who owed him millions of dollars. 25 He couldn’t pay, so his master ordered that he be sold—along with his wife, his children, and everything he owned—to pay the debt.

    26 “But the man fell down before his master and begged him, ‘Please, be patient with me, and I will pay it all.’ 27 Then his master was filled with pity for him, and he released him and forgave his debt.

    28 “But when the man left the king, he went to a fellow servant who owed him a few thousand dollars. He grabbed him by the throat and demanded instant payment.

    29 “His fellow servant fell down before him and begged for a little more time. ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it,’ he pleaded. 30 But his creditor wouldn’t wait. He had the man arrested and put in prison until the debt could be paid in full.

    31 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened. 32 Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34 Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

    35 “That’s what my heavenly Father will do to you if you refuse to forgive your brothers and sisters from your heart.”

    Like Father like Son! We can have a great chance to also reflect that as well.

  80. jeff1 says:

    He Knows Just What I Need

    My Jesus knows when I am lonely
    He knows each pain, he sees each care
    He understands each lonely heartache
    He understands because he cares

    My Jesus knows just what I need
    Oh yes! he knows just what I need
    He satisfies and every need supplies
    Yes, he knows just what I need

    My Jesus knows just what I need
    Oh yes! he knows just what I need
    He satisfies and every need supplies
    Yes, he knows just what I need

  81. Beloved says:

    Dear pooh,

    Please accept my apology for the unkind remarks I made to you lately. Peace to you, and to other readers here.

    Because of Jesus,
    Joyce

  82. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 26:3 (NKJV) You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.

  83. poohpity says:

    Joyce, your apology is accepted and I also forgive you for the lies you told about me.

    I would also like to apologize for calling you a name other than your given name.

  84. jeff1 says:

    Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

    5 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

  85. Beloved says:

    Like Father like daughter,
    Pooh no need to apologize.
    Peace to all because of Jesus only.

  86. Beloved says:

    20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. So true.

  87. Beloved says:

    Sometimes, we see in a child the mannerisms, interests and abilities of a parent.

    I am a child of God, but being adopted I am still learning– as are we all!

  88. street says:

    Forgiveness has been a great struggle for me but without that struggle then forgiveness is just words and I need for my own peace of mind to put my own anger and hatred in Jesus’s hands and since I have done so I no longer feel the need to feel vengeful towards my enemies.

    dear jeff i don’t think forgiving is very hard, the cancelling of the debt, mercy. the hard part was to pay the ransom. payed by another. sure the pain and sorrow of sin is difficult to bear. i am reminded Jesus fell three times caring the cross bar. now for the truly difficult, loving the offender. a love that would hold us to the cross, like it held our Lord. many times we lack opportunity to love, but not always.

    i saw a post on the net about people going through hell caring buckets of water…..being able to comfort other in hell. Jesus spoke about events where this is not true. i was thinking maybe buckets of light. we know from Scripture where to get living water, that comes from Jesus. to Him be Glory Honor Praise and Thanks Giving now and forever.

  89. Beloved says:

    Well said street. Putting EVERYTHING into the hands of Jesus. So dang hard to do sometimes.

  90. street says:

    steve said ….While outside this morning feeding the birds and talking to God it dawned on me that you and I are children of Adam and Eve and so we naturally are like them.

    this brings up difficult thinking in me. sure we are born with the inherent nature of our forefather. a flesh and blood that can not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. yet made in His Image. spirit soul and body. we are born again in Christ Jesus, given a new nature. complete yet growing to maturity in the Spirit. a new dna in us, the old died. i have to admit it’s presents is felt, darkness. david was aware of this darkness in the Psalms and he was also aware of where help,light came from. a son who delighted in the law of God/light and love.

  91. jeff1 says:

    God is Great, and God is Good

    God is great, and God is good
    Beyond what we have understood.
    The Hand that gives the sparrow food
    Is always in control and always good.

    When the enemy is mighty and
    when mountains block the way,
    when my life is filled with shadows
    and with fears I cannot name,
    though His steps are like the thunder,
    He is tender with my pain.
    Sometimes He sends a storm of love,
    sometimes a gentle rain.

    Far beyond imagination,
    far above all I can see,
    He is grand beyond all measure,
    filling all eternity.
    In my smallness and my weakness,
    in my fearfulness and pain,
    I’ll praise Him in the darkness
    till the light returns again.

  92. SFDBWV says:

    Street please let me help you out of some difficult thinking. In that same posting I too mentioned being reborn. However I took one of those DNA tests a few years ago and my DNA hasn’t changed yet.

    Being born again as I am sure you already know is a spiritual rebirth, the new body won’t come until the resurrection or rapture and with that transformation will come a new DNA for all believers.

    Not disagreeing with you on any level, only wanting to help relieve you of some questions you may have regarding my comment.

    Steve

  93. Beloved says:

    I too was wondering about that Steve. Thinking DNA is our identity, a physical representation vs a spiritual identity, which has been changed already as you said.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    So Father so Son…

    When I was young, and with my christian upbringing, I was trying hard to live like Jesus. Me trying.
    But the clue is not that I have Jesus as my big Example,
    …but that I would live in the Power of His ressurrected life.

    (Or in othher ways, that I would yield myself to God:
    “Her I am, I have tried so hard to live like you, but I failed”
    I was like the older brother
    (others are like the younger brother, who lived their lives without God, and also came to the end of themselves)

    Jeff gave that beautiful bibleverse, May 20, 9.06
    Jesus promises the Holy Spirit
    John 14:15-21

    Jesus came to reveal the Father, to show the God-Spirit working in man. Jesus taught, no that man was only to attempt to copy the JESUS of Nazareth, but that man was also to be SO possessed by the Spirit of Jesus, the SPirit actuating all that Jesus did, that man would be inspired as Jesus was.

    That Spirit would guide into all Truth.

    (my own words to God at eventide May 22)

    (To add to the conversation of DNA, here is my take: Identical twins have the same DNA, and yet are different personalities. In my inderstanding: we are much more then our DNA. We are a soul living in a human body, the soul is from the spiritual realm, our bodies are from the physical realm, and fading, only here for 60-100 years, and then is gone, returning into dust, matter becoming matter again.
    But that is my humble understanding. I myself do not thinkg that the spirit world consist’s of atoms, (neutrons, electrons etc) these things belong to the physical realm. DNA are molecules, and will fade away.

    But if you talk about DNA, as to an inherent nature, you talk about DNA as symbolic term, and then you could be right. THe DNA of the Spirit!

    Never mind, my point was that we be inspired by the Holy Spirit, that our lives would be overwhelmed by God’s Spirit, flowing through us, cleansing us, making our personalities as they should be, C.S. Lewis had a good word about it, our natures become more our own, when we die to our old self, and become our true self, IN Jesus, and that is all by the Spirit.

  95. jeff1 says:

    Why was my dad aware of what NOT TO DO, not because he knew better but because he knew God better.

    How did he know God better because he focused on Christ on the Cross while I had taken my eyes of Him and was being led by the religious people of my day.

    God rewards obedience by revelation as is His nature to do so.

    My dad put God first in his life whether in his politics, religion or personal.

    I, on the other hand, believed God should be on our side and so I changed God to fit with my beliefs consequently being led by man’s truths and not God’s.

    There is a struggle between yielding to men and yielding to God and why the mind must succumb in knowing God.

    My dad would say give to man that which is man’s and give to God that which is God’s.

    Yield Not to Temptation

    1 Yield not to temptation,
    For yielding is sin;
    Each vict’ry will help you,
    Some other to win;
    Fight valiantly onward,
    Evil passions subdue;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through.

    Refrain:
    Ask the Savior to help you,
    Comfort, strengthen and keep you;
    He is willing to aid you,
    He will carry you through.

    2 Shun evil companions,
    Bad language disdain;
    God’s name hold in rev’rence,
    Nor take it in vain;
    Be thoughtful and earnest,
    Kindhearted and true;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through. [Refrain]

    3 To him that o’ercometh,
    God giveth a crown;
    Through faith we will conquer,
    Though often cast down;
    He who is our Savior,
    Our strength will renew;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through. [Refrain]

  96. Beloved says:

    Like Father like Son

    our personality becomes more like Jesus’ personality the longer we know Him. Maslow taught a humanistic model of human growth but Christlikeness is so different. “Living our best life” as the saying goes means so much more when the goal and purpose is dying to self vs becoming the best self.

    Like the Son are His brothers and sisters.

  97. street says:

    Like Father like Son

    to have my all in all in Him.

    some things to be left behind….deception darkness sin.

    cleansed by the blood of the Lamb of God.

    to share in His suffering and death, is to share in His life too. conformed to the image of his Son. what a day that will be!

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

  98. Beloved says:

    What does “cleansed by the blood of the Lamb of God.” mean for us as sons and daughters of God, as well as those who are not? I’m reading None Greater –The Undomesticated Attributes of God by Matthew Barret. Undomesticated! Meaning God is not like us in any way shape or form. One attribute I learned today is his impassibility, he is not passionate like humans. His essence being love, without change or fluctuations. He is static and exists wholly pure and Holy. This gives me great relief! Like Father like Son? Oh yes!, in an action of subjugation –His only Son not only to a frail human form but to unjust punishment. For me! For all! Believe, just believe. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

  99. jeff1 says:

    Since Jesus Came into My Heart

    What a wonderful change in my life has been wrought
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    I have light in my soul for which long I have sought,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

    Refrain:
    Since Jesus came into my heart,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    Floods of joy o’er my soul like the sea billows roll,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

    I have ceased from my wand’ring and going astray,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And my sins which were many are all washed away,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    I’m possessed of a hope that is steadfast and sure,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And no dark clouds of doubt now my pathway obscure,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

    There’s a light in the valley of death now for me,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And the gates of the City beyond I can see,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

    I shall go there to dwell in that City I know,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And I’m happy, so happy as onward I go,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

  100. foreverblessed says:

    What a lovely song,
    good to meditate on,
    good to learn by heart, and go to sleep
    (it is quite late here now)
    All have a blessed night,
    with the awareness that Jesus is near, and in our hearts,

    John 14:20
    On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

  101. poohpity says:

    If God is not passionate then why has He shown such passion for us, His beloved? He went to such great lengths for us to know Him and for us to spend eternity with Him that seems very passionate to me. We are after all made in His image with creativity, passion, love, desire, the capacity for joy, etc.. that is His image in a nut shell.

  102. Beloved says:

    We can only see God through our finite human experience, which changes; love to hate, joy to grief, etc depending on the circumstances. If we see God as circumstance driven then how can we really trust Him? But, if He is so complete in Himself that He doesn’t change, cannot change and will not change then for me there is a standard or essential Being I can really trust and believe in. That’s where I’m at so far in my pursuit of knowing the God I love trust serve and obey blindly, but with the human eyes of faith. Faith seems to fill the gap between humanity and God. Bless Him always.

  103. Beloved says:

    The image of God in Ephesians 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

  104. Beloved says:

    I think all those things you mentioned, creativity passion joy etc can be easily corrupted as we have been because of our first parents choices. But God is perfect and incorruptible. Therein lies the difference between God and mankind, even though we were originally created in God’s image. Some say we are all little Gods.lol. Not even close! Bless His Name forever and ever amen.

  105. Beloved says:

    ◄ 1 Corinthians 13:12 ►
    New American Standard Bible
    For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

  106. jeff1 says:

    My dad taught me one great lesson in life and that was that he knew not to play God and since I was living as my own little God I was oblivious to my dad’s reasoning.

    If I have learned anything from that it is that God knows best and not me.

    I can be thankful to my dad for his example as my weakness has been to think I can play God but just like my dad was right about everything else in life he knew better than to try.

  107. poohpity says:

    If one knows the Son they will know the Father.

    Jesus is the one who reveals the Father to us. If we want to know what the Father is like, all we have to do is look at Jesus. If we want to know how the Father cares for people, we can look at how Jesus ministered to them. If we want to know the Father’s will for our lives, we can listen to Jesus’ words and know they reveal the Father’s truth. Jesus revealed the nature of the Father in his actions and his words. And, Jesus continues to reveal the Father to us. He is the one through whom the fullest revelation of the Father comes. Let’s look to Jesus if we really want to know the Father.

  108. poohpity says:

    John 1:1,14; 14:9; John 17:25-26 NLT

    Was Jesus full of passion, compassion, gentleness, kindness, joy, creativity, mercy, grace, love not in word but in deed, etc.? It helps to read about Him and what He did, taught and lived to see the very revelation of God. We may not be able to know all there is about God because our minds I do not think could handle it but we are given as much as He knows we can handle and are ready to receive.

  109. poohpity says:

    It is impossible for any human being to be right about everything else in life and to think that way would be making someone god like, it seems to me. An unhealthy idolization. Exodus 20:3 Every human being is fallible and for them not to share their mistakes or errors is prideful to say the least and is misleading and/or deceptive.

  110. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Pooh, that is so true but when I was playing God I was oblivious to my pride as you are when you think you know it all (folly of youth) but my dad showed me it isn’t about me knowing it all but knowing that God does.

  111. foreverblessed says:

    verse of the day of Biblegateway:

    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.
    Galatians 5:13 NIV

  112. poohpity says:

    Viv, that is nothing but a false assumption that I think I know it all because I have never thought that a day or a moment in my life. Just because I share what is said in scripture that has nothing to do with me at all and that same knowledge is available to all who really want to know God. If I really thought I knew it all then why would I still seek to learn new things? Wouldn’t I think it is a waste of time since I already know everything? The people who do not bother with seeking and searching to learn more, now those are the one’s who think they know it all so share their opinions and never learn any facts to base those opinions on. They think their limited understanding is all they need so they do not go to church, or bible studies or read the bible or anything else available to us to grow in understanding because they already know it all, right?

    Learning excites me and the rest of my life I will be a devoted student that not a day goes by that I do not learn something new.

    Why not learn what God has given us to learn and reveal about Himself? Well unless one does not really care or thinks they know it all already. So much to learn and so little time and that is time well spent. If we love God so much wouldn’t we want to know Him like anybody else we want to know, we spend time with them to get to know them, right, it shows we care. That is how most relationships work, right?

  113. foreverblessed says:

    Today I want to share something personal.

    What it has to do with the topic, I have to find out while I am writing.

    But last Saturday morning very unexpectendly some dear one has died. Somebody who had become very dear to me. He had been a pastor in our church , but is retired, he shared in the Oecomenical prayer, at the Big Church, Grote Kerk, that’s how they call the Gothic church in our town. He had grown to be a sort of a father to me.

    While I had lost my own father, 17 years ago, I was fond of my dad, a sort of knowing to be close to be somebosy, even with all his faults, I could see through them. But after he had had a terrible accident, where he escaped death, he had another 9 years of life, but he had changed, he was not the same man as he was. He was still my father, but he could react very basic, and from unexpected angles. And the last few years were a suffering, slowly and slowly worsening. If somebody like that dies, then you feel a relief; thank God, the suffering is over. The grieving is for some reason not there, that has alreday been.

    So I hardly cried when he died, and felt awkward about it. But now with this dear one die-ing, I feel the tears and the grieve, BUT

    Also the comfort!

    And that’s why I write, God is so good: He comforts, He gives peace of mind, He is so awesome.

    Yesterday was the turn of this pastor for the oecomenical prayer, but he had changed with my turn on April 23.

    And how that happened was also curious. The man who makes the schedule of the speakers, had forgotten that my pastor would go on holiday. And would not be there. He had planned him on May 21 evenso. I was sort of annoyed, how can he be so forgetful?
    But now I see the hand of God in this.

    That He saw an opporutnity to comfort me.

    Because the reading of yesterday was:

    Psalm 145:1-12

    Revelation 19:1-9

    When I read these verses, I had to cry: How lovely God, How Great He is.

    He is Lord of all, everything will be allright.

    My friend the pastor is allright, He is with Jesus, what a good thought to know.

    And all of us will die one day, sooner or later, we are here for a while,

    Redeeming the time.

    Letting God cleanse us, cleans our motives, make u bright and white, because we are not yet, but we are on the way!

    That when we pray, we will pray in live with God’s will, that God is listening to our prayers, He is waiting for them.

    But He cannot answer the prayer that is done in our fleshly thinking.

    Let God purify us,

    so that we will be more like Him,

    and the world will know that Jesus is the true Savior after all.

  114. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 145:1-12

    A psalm of praise. Of David.

    1
    I will exalt you, my God the King;
    I will praise your name for ever and ever.
    2
    Every day I will praise you
    and extol your name for ever and ever.

    3
    Great is the Lord and most worthy of praise;
    his greatness no one can fathom.
    4
    One generation commends your works to another;
    they tell of your mighty acts.
    5
    They speak of the glorious splendor of your majesty—
    and I will meditate on your wonderful works.[b]
    6
    They tell of the power of your awesome works—
    and I will proclaim your great deeds.
    7
    They celebrate your abundant goodness
    and joyfully sing of your righteousness.

    8
    The Lord is gracious and compassionate,
    slow to anger and rich in love.

    9
    The Lord is good to all;
    he has compassion on all he has made.
    10
    All your works praise you, Lord;
    your faithful people extol you.
    11
    They tell of the glory of your kingdom
    and speak of your might,
    12
    so that all people may know of your mighty acts
    and the glorious splendor of your kingdom.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    Revelation 19:1-9

    After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:

    “Hallelujah!
    Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
    2
    for true and just are his judgments.
    He has condemned the great prostitute
    who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
    He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”

    3 And again they shouted:

    “Hallelujah!
    The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”

    4 The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:

    “Amen, Hallelujah!”

    5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying:

    “Praise our God,
    all you his servants,
    you who fear him,
    both great and small!”

    6 Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:

    “Hallelujah!
    For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
    7
    Let us rejoice and be glad
    and give him glory!
    For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
    and his bride has made herself ready.
    8
    Fine linen, bright and clean,
    was given her to wear.”

    (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

    9 Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

  116. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 22, 2019 at 8:23 am

    Viv, that is nothing but a false assumption that I think I know it all because I have never thought that a day or a moment in my life.

    Please read my post again as you have misunderstood what I am saying.

    I am saying that when I was playing God and full of pride my dad could not get me to see my foolishness and it was God working through my dad that brought me to see it.

    I am saying that my dad always seen what eluded me because he knew God better than I ever did and I believe that was down to him being very disciplined but that is just my thinking.

    You and I differ in that you see knowing God through the Bible while I believe my father knew God through obedience because he read his Bible for encouragement and did not get into debates on the Bible.

    I believe he was right in his thinking as I never head my dad interpret the Word of God for his own ends like I have heard other Christians in my country do.

    He was sincere in getting to know God while they where using the ‘Word of God’ as a means to their truth and not the Gospel of Christ.

    My observation of my Dad’s walk was that he was sincerely seeking God and not on his own understanding of who God was.

  117. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it still playing God to think you know what someone else is thinking? I thought only God could know that. Matt 9:4, 12:25; Luke 5:22

    How would your dad know what to be obedient to without knowing what the bible says? Yes many people use the word of God for their own purposes to support their own actions, understanding and opinions but there are those of us who read the bible as a means to get to know God not to use as weapon against others but as mirror to see our own reflection and to grow and deepen our relationship with God. So one can not lump everyone into the same category but the most important thing is how we each individual uses the bible, God knows and that is all that really counts.

    How can one identify false teaching and deception if one does not have the foundation of His word in our minds?

  118. poohpity says:

    Viv, it seems your dad realized how futile it was to talk about things in the bible with people who know nothing about so it was better to say nothing. However this site was created to do just that to discuss respectfully the things written in the bible but sadly we run into futility here too.

  119. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, may God bless you and comfort you continually. My sympathies for the pain you feel at the loss of someone you loved.

    Steve

  120. Beloved says:

    My condolences Forever for the passing of your friend.

  121. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 22, 2019 at 9:31 am

    Isn’t it still playing God to think you know what someone else is thinking? I thought only God could know that. Matt 9:4 12:25 Luke 5:22

    I don’t think it is playing God but I do think it is very foolish to think you know what another is thinking.

    Its assumptions that get us into wrong thinking when asking someone is much simpler.

    The difficulty arises when there is differences and one does not trust the other proving that trust has to be earned among believers.

    You asked: How would your dad know what to be obedient to without knowing what the bible says?

    I did not say he didn’t know what the Bible said but that he did not believe in getting into disagreements on interpretation of the Bible and rather read it for his own encouragement and guidance.

    It is I who am saying I believe he was right because public arguing over interpretation of the Bible is not to my way of thinking right and yet you cannot stop people doing it.

    Only God knows if false teaching is deliberate or ignorance and why it is not for us to judge another’s teaching but recognise the falseness of it.

    You asked: How can one identify false teaching and deception if one does not have the foundation of His word in our minds?

    Yet, I know very genuine Godly people who have superstitious beliefs that are not in keeping with the Bible and so you might well ask but I do not know the answer.

  122. street says:

    empathy
    [ em-puh-thee ]

    noun
    the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
    the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self.

    ascribing evil to man?

    ascribing life or worth, value to Christ? true Glory.

    was reading oswald chambers about the transfiguration of Jesus onward that we can not identify to much with these event in the life of Jesus. it made me think of Pentecost, a new transfiguration.

    paul spoke of the Spirit that reveals the Heart and Mind of God. when we are honest we known the thoughts of man apart from God, not a great stretch of the imagination. to be buried and replaced by the Way the Truth and the Life.

  123. street says:

    forever thank you for your post you are such and encouragement to me. Psalm 145:1-12 Revelation 19:1-9

    thinking of hannah after she poured out her heart before God, prior to samuel’s birth. she had peace followed by joy in her tears. hannah was ready to serve God. God bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you, now and forever.

  124. jeff1 says:

    Lord, Life Becomes More Simple

    Lord, life becomes more simple
    When all I seek is You,
    When walking in Your Spirit
    Is all that I pursue,
    When knowing You are with me
    Is all the light I need,
    When all my heart is hungry
    For You to shape and lead.
    Lord, life is filled with beauty
    When I am filled with You,
    When You, so kind and patient,
    Have made me caring, too.
    When I am free to love You
    And look to You alone,
    Then life has found its sunlight,
    And hope has found its home.

    Lord Jesus, Sun of Heaven,
    Its temple and its light,
    Life’s goal and its beginning,
    Love’s length and depth and height;
    Lord, teach my heart to listen
    And rest in simple truth,
    To know life’s sweetest pleasure:
    To know and worship You.

  125. poohpity says:

    Aren’t superstitions counter to believing in the sufficiency of God? Does it always mean one is Godly because they are nice or kind yet do not trust God?

    How can one recognize false teaching without judging whether it is false or not, right? There are areas we are to judge but not judge the person because we never know how they got to be the person they are but we can judge whether something is right or wrong.

    I have never felt that discussing things in the bible to be taken in a negative way even if it is in disagreement. If we all thought alike wouldn’t it be rather boring and robotic? God gives us each different understanding at different times in our lives and not to learn from others that maybe God has put them in our lives for such a time to open us up to growth.

  126. street says:

    godliness with contentment is great gain.

    is the godliness in us or is it in Him?

  127. bubbles says:

    Forever, I’m sorry for your loss.

  128. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 22, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    Aren’t superstitions counter to believing in the sufficiency of God? Does it always mean one is Godly because they are nice or kind yet do not trust God?

    It was my dad who taught me against superstition that my mum was feeding me and yet my mum believed in Jesus.

    It isn’t for us to understand why another can hold conflicting beliefs but when recognised not to practise them ourselves.

    I live in a country where religion has been the cause of conflict and so many use God’s word to their ends and not to discuss the Word of God in a positive way which is why it is much more difficult here to trust other believers unless you know them personally.

    You ask: Does it always mean one is Godly because they are nice or kind yet do not trust God?

    It is my belief that kindness in a person comes from God just as evil comes from Satan.

    I don’t just get to be a Godly person as you and I know there is inward and outward struggles and I often fail God.

    In Northern Ireland religion was used for political gain on both sides of the divide which created mistrust and one side accusing the other of ungodly behaviour.

    Sadly, we are much better at claiming to be Godly than we are at practising it and why this country is at stalemate with no side wanting to admit their offence against God which says to me we are each as bad as each other.

    Street asks: is the godliness in us or is it in Him?

    If I am being honest then I already know the answer to that question which is why I see that God is so strict on discipleship as talking the talk is all very well but when it comes to walking the walk (speaking of myself) I need to up my game.

  129. Beloved says:

    1 Timothy 6:6-10 King James Version (KJV)

    6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

    7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

    8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

  130. poohpity says:

    I guess it depends on what a person’s definition of Godly is. It seems even people who do not believe in God can be kind and charitable while there are some who do believe in God that are not so kind or charitable, so what does one base Godly on?

    I agree when you said, “we are each as bad as each other”. God said, “We all sin and fall short of His Glory”. So maybe the definition of Godly is one devoted to God no matter what condition, good or bad, we find ourselves in. I fully believe that what a person goes through in life determines the scars that effect their behavior later in life and the very reason judging is better left to God.

    It would seem that a real Godly person will not claim to be Godly because the minute one boasts in that isn’t it really showing they are not? One could boast in God that, “I am a sinner saved by God’s grace”.

    Practicing godliness may be something we all could stand to do more often because after all this new life in Christ seems to be more about practicing what we have been taught which means there is room for improvement and we often fail but God knows and remains faithful to us even when we sometimes are not faithful to Him. God knew no human being would ever be perfect now He seems to want us to realize that too. ;-)

  131. Beloved says:

    There is none like You,
    No one else can touch my heart like You do,
    I can search for all eternity Lord
    And find, there is none like You.
    There is none like You.
    No one else can touch my heart like You do,
    I can search for all eternity Lord
    And find, there is none like You.
    Your mercy flows like a river so wide,
    And healing comes from Your hand.
    Suffering children are safe in Your arms,
    There is none like You.
    There is none like You, (There is none like You, Lord)
    There is none like You.
    I can search for all eternity Lord,
    There is none like You.
    I can search for all eternity Lord,
    There is none, (there is none, )
    There is none Lord,
    There is none like You.

  132. poohpity says:

    I think the most important lesson any of us could ever learn is the one taught in ODB for today. John 8:7

  133. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 23, 2019 at 9:08 am

    So maybe the definition of Godly is one devoted to God no matter what condition, good or bad, we find ourselves in.

    I think that is correct as it is God who accepts us as we are while we do not accept each other as we are and there is where the tension lies.

    If we think of the disciples they had disagreements and each was wanting to be closer to Jesus than the other and so God creates that jealousy in us that ones wants to know God better than the other.

    I find it in my sons if I am giving one more attention than the other and I have heard other parents say the same.

    Yet, as a parent myself I love my children the same but differently in that they have different needs because they have different characters.

    It seems to me that is how God sees us as He sees to our needs and we have different scars from life and some have deeper scars than others.

    My mum was a deeply scarred woman and it did rub of on me but my dad was very stable so I had two very different parents causing me great conflict within but while I would not call my dad a more Godly man than my mum it was my dad who knew God better and that was because of his stable family Christian upbringing and a disciplined nature that was of his generation. (He would be 97 this year)

  134. poohpity says:

    I do not know whether one wanted to know God better than the others but they did want higher places of honor than the others but God shows no favoritism not even to His disciples.

  135. street says:

    thinking about moses on the mountain with God. returning to the camp not knowing he was glowing. the people were afraid of him. yet over time he began to fade.

    content with food and clothing….? content with bread from heaven and robs and crowns of righteousness. the Lord, our Life and Righteousness. there is no other. may the love joy and peace of God rest on His Children, as it did on Pentecost. Forever Blessed
    KING of kings and LORD of lords.

    as i look at this i think of the fireworks of pauls ministry. reminded of jeremiah charge don’t be afraid stand upright and speak the truth, not taking away from it or adding to it. the godly ones are the Great Ones. their humility is as powerful as their love.

  136. jeff1 says:

    1 Stand up, stand up for Jesus
    ye soldiers of the cross;
    lift high his royal banner,
    it must not suffer loss:
    from vict’ry unto vict’ry
    his army he shall lead,
    ’til ev’ry foe is vanquished,
    and Christ is Lord indeed.

    2 Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
    the trumpet call obey;
    forth to the mighty conflict
    in this his glorious day:
    ye that are men now serve him
    against unnumbered foes;
    let courage rise with danger,
    and strength to strength oppose.

    3 Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
    stand in his strength alone;
    the arm of flesh will fail you,
    ye dare not trust your own:
    put on the gospel armor,
    each piece put on with pray’r;
    where duty calls, or danger,
    be never wanting there.

    4 Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
    the strife will not be long;
    this day the noise of battle,
    the next the victor’s song:
    to him that overcometh
    a crown of life shall be;
    he with the King of glory
    shall reign eternally.

  137. Beloved says:

    I think Godliness is living a life of practical discipleship, knowing God is able to supply all our needs, physical and spiritual. Obedient to the commands of God. But, I’m probably needing to learn more. Maybe half right?

  138. street says:

    thinking of good friday. the day good and evil died.

    when i see blindness quadriplegic or some other privation of good, it causes me great discomfort. why? now it causes me wonder and reflect. why?

    then the cross……the sinless lamb of God, the only good this world ever witness in it’s completeness. good dying on a cross in human flesh along with the sins of man.

    raised on the 3rd day, never to die again. given a living hope in the promises of God. grace and mercy that is greater than all the sin of the world combined. the earth is truly filled with the Glory of God. not to be missed.

  139. jeff1 says:

    Godliness is devotion to God whatever life brings as God never promised a life without tribulation but that He is with us in it.

  140. Beloved says:

    KJV Dictionary Definition:
    GOD’LINESS, n. from godly. Piety; belief in God, and reverence for his character and laws.

    1. A religious life; a careful observance of the laws of God and performance of religious duties, proceeding from love and reverence for the divine character and commands; christian obedience.

    Godliness is profitable unto all things. 1 Tim. 4.

    2. Revelation; the system of christianity.

    Without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness;

    God was manifest in the flesh. l Tim.3.

    godly
    GOD’LY, a. god-like Pious; reverencing God, and his character and laws.

    1. Living in obedience to God’s commands, from a principle of love to him and reverence of his character and precepts; religious; righteous; as a godly person.

    2. Pious; conformed to God’s law; as a godly life.

    GOD’LY, adv. Piously; righteously.

    All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer

    persecution. 2 Tim

  141. phpatato says:

    My thoughts and prayers are with you Forever. I am sorry for the pain you have with the loss of your dear friend.

    Praying God’s comfort continues to surround you in the coming days.

    Pat xo

  142. Beloved says:

    Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. I Timothy 3:16 NIV

  143. Beloved says:

    Describing ‘Godly’ is about as varied as understanding God Himself!

  144. jeff1 says:

    Trusting God is much more important than understanding Him or that is what my dad taught me and I have no cause to doubt that he was right.

    It is by focusing on Jesus that we find contentment and it is God who says the way to Him is through the Son so it is God who commands us to keep our eyes on Christ.

    It is when we fail to do that the difficulty arises just as it did when the disciples did not follow Jesus commands, Peter being too head strong for his own good.

  145. Beloved says:

    Viv I just like to think about and study Who I’ve placed all my faith and trust in, that’s just me though!

  146. jeff1 says:

    The reason my dad walked so well with God is because he did not get ahead of Him and that takes amazing discipline which I have not had as I am either lagging behind or running in front and confusion is my greatest enemy.

    God wants me to be in harmony with Him but instead my head is all over the place and that steals my joy which is not what God wants for me.

  147. Beloved says:

    God understands and loves those of us with disordered brains. Jesus death gives us all, whether rich poor young old smart lazy happy sad whatever, the same amazing grace! It’s hard to be joyful I know when the brain chemicals and neurons are acting up. But I’ve found His joy is always there when I can’t see it. Just as you have found that He is faithful and doesnt let go of us.

  148. Beloved says:

    Calling a prayer and fasting time for pooh as she deals with liver failure. The LORD bless and keep her, make His face shine upon her and give her His peace. Amen

  149. jeff1 says:

    Life doesn’t seem to have been easy for Pooh and I am saddened to hear of her decline and pray too for her recovery.

  150. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, it really is all the work of God and why we worship and praise Him because He is worthy.

    Hear the cries of the shackled from the onset of time,
    For the chains of defeat theres no key.
    See the tears of the broken, the cries of the slaves:
    Is there no one worthy to set us free?

    Then the crying is stilled as the chorus rings out,
    The shackled released from their chains.
    And thousands of voices are swelling the song:
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain.

    Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

    Then all the archangels, the saints of all time,
    Holding their crowns in their hands,
    Fall down before Him joining the song:
    Worthy, worthy the Lamb!

    Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

    Praise Him, praise Him,
    Praise the Lamb that was slain (x2)

  151. poohpity says:

    It is with a very grateful heart that I thank you so much ladies for your prayers I can use as many as I can get. Praise the Lord!

  152. jeff1 says:

    I hope this song encourages you today, Pooh.

    He Will Carry You

    There is no problem too big
    God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall
    God cannot move it

    There is no storm too dark
    God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep
    He cannot soothe it

    Oh, if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    Oh, if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you

    He said, “Come on to me all who are weary
    And I will give you rest, rest, rest, rest”

    Rest, rest, rest

    There is no problem too big
    God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall
    He cannot move it

    There is no storm too dark
    God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep
    He cannot soothe it

    Oh, if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    Oh, I know my brother that He will carry you
    Oh, if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    Oh, I know my sister that He will carry you
    I know my brother and I know my sister that Jesus will carry you

  153. Beloved says:

    Thinking about prayer and the will of God..

    Jesus Prays for All Believers

    20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
    21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
    22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
    23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

    24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

    25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
    26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.

  154. Beloved says:

    Reminds me of how I hated it when my own children fought.

  155. jeff1 says:

    Each Moment by Faith

    From glory descending,
    Completely depending,
    You trusted Your Father
    And lived to obey.
    In speaking and doing,
    His pleasure pursuing,
    You joyfully listened
    And followed by faith.
    Through weakness came power,
    A strength every hour.
    Though empty, You gave with
    A heart unafraid,
    Secure in the knowing
    And full in the flowing
    Of God in His fullness
    Each moment by faith.

    Lord Jesus, You lead us
    To faith that can free us,
    So trusting and humble,
    We bow and obey.
    In speaking and doing,
    Your pleasure pursuing,
    We joyfully listen
    And follow by faith.
    Through weakness comes power,
    A strength every hour.
    Though empty, we give with
    A heart unafraid,
    Secure in the knowing
    And full in the flowing
    Of Your mighty Spirit
    Each moment by faith.

  156. street says:

    thinking about faith and how it is linked to hope.

  157. Beloved says:

    Hope does not disappoint!

  158. Beloved says:

    Care to share your thoughts on faith and hope?

  159. poohpity says:

    I have been gifted with faith in God, by God so that I will have hope for the future.

    Viv, thank you for the song it was very very encouraging.

  160. street says:

    been thinking how the world is like the titanic where a few are saved. like pilgrim progress fleeing the city of destruction. the promise to abraham where the world would be bless”ed” through his descendant. seeking/finding that place of blessing. thinking of john in Revelation seeing The Descendant. The One Who Will Sit On David’s Thrown Forever. we don’t see that in the Bible, thinking He wants us to see this in the first person. Hope.

  161. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you all very very much for your concern!
    Thank you!
    For our whole church the passing of this pastor is a great loss!
    On Wednesday is the funeral. He was on holiday in Spain, so he had to be transported back to the Netherlands.
    But God is good, He is comforting us.
    God could comfort me now, He has been waiting for this time, patiently, since that accident of my dad. God is always good
    Forever!
    No end to His mercy
    Psalm 136:1-26

    Beloved, some other time I hope to be posting on faith and hope!

  162. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Pooh, I too find it encouraging as it is a song that reminds me of God’s omniscience because I find that I all too often limit God when it is I who is limited.

    I see faith too as a gift because I cannot know how people who don’t believe in God get through life without it but maybe that is because I am a more needy person than others and I am not quite sure where that neediness comes from.

  163. poohpity says:

    I think that neediness comes from being able to admit to truth. It seems only those who do not think they need anything or anyone lives in deception or the delusion they are in control of everything then the truth does not seem to be in them. Doesn’t a person have to admit they need help before they can admit they need a Savior or unless they try to be a savior to everyone rather than leaving that into the hands of the only One who actually can save or that can supply our deepest needs?

  164. bratimus says:

    I was reading Jeff1’s and pooh’s comments on needs,

    Here are my thoughts,

    All human’s have needs and wants, all have basic life needs food, housing ect. (I pray that all get their basic basic life needs fulfilled without costing their soul.)

    Needs and wants for believers and non-believers are different.

    For believers we just need God, we get that through Christ and the Holy Spirit. Now feeling that we need more faith is not the lack of faith on are part that is the longing for Heaven, the WANT to go home.

    The non-believer have a problem, they don’t know what they need so they replace their needs to wants. And they want everything, and this where corruption and immoral behavior come from and we get a mad mad world.

    Jeff1, who say the non-believer is getting through life. Very, very sad.

    The Brat

    P.S.

    Not all will understand this, have faith.

    THIS IS A FREEDOM STREAMING CHAT FROM YOUR EYES ONLY!

    With a little faith the wine can be turn back into water.

  165. Beloved says:

    Forever my question about faith and hope was brought up by street, who said he was thinking about how faith was linked to hope so I asked what he came up with.

    Glad to read bratimus comments.

  166. jeff1 says:

    bratimus says:
    May 25, 2019 at 8:56 am

    Now feeling that we need more faith is not the lack of faith on are part that is the longing for Heaven, the WANT to go home.

    I think it often seems to me like lack of faith on my part as I have struggled with doubt and see myself as doubting Thomas and looking for further signs from God and feel disappointed when I don’t see them.

  167. Beloved says:

    been thinking how the world is like the titanic where a few are saved. Street

    “where few are saved” scares me almost to death. Even after confessing my sins I am still terrified of Gods wrath. Grace and mercy are given to ALL, yet few are chosen, in the end. Not all who think they are called and set apart are chosen. Works don’t save, having good morals does not save only Jesus makes righteous. I’ve chosen Who I believe chose me, but what if He says, go away, I never knew you!!! I’m terrified to live and terrified to die. Limbo is a very unpleasant place, very unpleasant. Fortunately or unfortunately this blog seems to undermine what I thought I knew about my faith, the Bible and causes me stress every day. Pooh says I’m a liar. Maybe she’s right? Maybe I have been received about who I’ve put my faith hope and trust in. If I was a drinker now would be a great time for a scotch/rocks! One can always dream.

  168. Beloved says:

    How many is a ‘few’? When I think of the billions and billions of people that have been born since the resurrection how could I possibly be one of the ‘few’? It’s mind boggling to me. Sorry mart.

  169. jeff1 says:

    Back to You

    Need has called us back to You,
    Back to what is always true.
    All we have is only due
    To Your goodness and Your mercy.

    Need has crushed our hearts again,
    Pain we cannot comprehend.
    All our proud delusions end,
    Loving Father, in Your mercy!

    Blind with grief, we ask You why
    Till we see You lifted high,
    Groaning, giving as You die.
    We are silent. Christ, have mercy!

    Need has blessed us once again,
    Love we cannot comprehend.
    Savior, Sovereign, Father, Friend,
    We are resting in Your mercy.

  170. street says:

    dear beloved, thinking of the foundation that paul laid according to the command of Christ Jesus on the road to damascus.

    26 Agrippa said to Paul, “You are permitted to speak for yourself.” Then Paul stretched out his hand and proceeded to make his defense:

    2 “In regard to all the things of which I am accused by the Jews, I consider myself fortunate, King Agrippa, that I am about to make my defense before you today; 3 especially because you are an expert in all customs and questions among the Jews; therefore I beg you to listen to me patiently.

    4 “So then, all Jews know my manner of life from my youth up, which from the beginning was spent among my own nation and at Jerusalem; 5 since they have known about me for a long time, if they are willing to testify, that I lived as a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. 6 And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers; 7 the promise to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly serve God night and day. And for this hope, O King, I am being accused by Jews. 8 Why is it considered incredible among you people if God does raise the dead?

    9 “So then, I thought to myself that I had to do many things hostile to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10 And this is [d]just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons, having received authority from the chief priests, but also when they were being put to death I cast my vote against them. 11 And as I punished them often in all the synagogues, I tried to force them to blaspheme; and being furiously enraged at them, I kept pursuing them even to foreign cities.

    12 “While so engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, 13 at midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining all around me and those who were journeying with me. 14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the [i]Hebrew dialect, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15 And I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. 16 But get up and stand on your feet; for this purpose I have appeared to you, to appoint you a minister and a witness not only to the things which you have seen, but also to the things in which I will appear to you; 17 rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, 18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’

  171. street says:

    dear beloved i have a front yard that i treat for weeds at least twice a year. even at that, there seems to be no headway or completion of the goal set before me. Jesus is a different story. His ability to do what He says and works towards are not the same as my abilities, on my own. i am reminded of the field that is waiting for the fruit to ripen before the harvest. fruitful plants and tares side by side. the tears are harvested first. as some have said you can not always tell the difference, except by their fruit. fruit is developed at the end of the plant cycle. we are warned against hardness shallowness and distraction of the world that can abort fruit. each person will pass through the fire, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. stay close to the Spirit and the Truth/Word through Faith. a certain Hope. the Lord completes the work that was set before Him, Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

  172. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved,

    Few are chosen….

    Chosen to be the first

    That is what it could mean, very well could mean!!!

    Chosen to be kings and priests,
    So there must come more and more

    What do I hope?
    I hope that God’s mercy is forever,
    In fact, I read that in Psalm 136 many a time

    So it is in God’s word.

    When Jesus says Go away, I never knew you.

    It does not say: and I never will know you

    Ha ha,bI have to smild about that, igbix so true!
    Maybe they will only be outside for the thousand year, who knows

    Why are we so easy terrified?
    While it clearly says that God’s mercies are forever

    Sorry, my name helps me to always hope…
    God bless you!

  173. foreverblessed says:

    O dear, I did not proofread the above

    Ha ha, I have to smile about that:
    It is so true:
    Jesus said: I never knew you!

    He did NOT say:
    I will never know you!

  174. bratimus says:

    In the Bible it speaks of a mustard seed and faith.

    The Bible speaks of the smallest in faith, will become the greatest of us all.

    If I’m not mistaken It is Love, faith and hope, are in the gift of Grace with other gifts.

    I don’t give book, chapter or verse I want people to pick a Bible read for themselves and in searching for these they just might find other answers to questions they might have.

    A hint New testament

    The Brat

  175. bratimus says:

    I forgot to mention something.

    Don’t worry about the big things out of are control, there are smaller things we can do and always have faith. Jesus Christ I’m sure can handle the big things.

    When it comes to the signs of the times, I won’t see them either,remember Christ covers my eyes. Even if people hinted or said something it wouldn’t phase me. I’m to walk in faith and trust unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Brat

  176. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I have limbo days in my head, but in my heart, I have the assurance I need that God is with me as He speaks so much more to my heart.

    I often worry about things I have no control over and yet I know that it is wrong because I seen my mum do it and know the futility of it.

    I am learning now to rest in Jesus and take Him at His word that He makes me right with God and that is what gives me peace of mind rather than thinking too much which can create havoc in my mind.

    It is getting easier to do and my confidence in God is building which strengths my faith. Listen to your own heart Beloved and not what others say or think about you.

  177. Beloved says:

    “Since the New Testament elsewhere joins calling with election (see 2 Tim. 1:9; Rom. 8:30), what does Jesus mean when he says there are some who are called but not chosen?

    The external call goes to all people. But only the elect experience the internal call.

    The answer lies in a distinction necessary to understand the way the biblical writers speak of “call.” In this parable, Jesus speaks of “call” in an external sense. It is the summons of God through the gospel message. This call bids men and women to come to Christ by way of repentance and faith.

    In other places the biblical writers speak of “call” in an internal sense. For instance, Paul speaks of this internal call in 1 Corinthians 1:24—this is the effective, saving work of the Spirit of Christ in conjunction with the gospel’s outward call. This internal call powerfully and effectively turns the sinner from his sin to Jesus Christ. The external call goes to all people. But only the elect will, in God’s time, experience the internal call. For them, the gospel is indeed “the power of God unto salvation” (Rom. 1:16)” TGC

    Thank you friends. I put some praise music on and my heart rejoiced.

  178. street says:

    John 6:37
    All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

  179. street says:

    God appoints every day’s troubles and God appoints every day’s mercies. in the life of His children, they are perfectly appointed. john piper

  180. Beloved says:

    Psalm 34:19 (NKJV) Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the Lord delivers him out of them all.

  181. Beloved says:

    If Job could have known as he sat there in the ashes, bruising his heart on this problem of Providence—that in the trouble that had come upon him he was doing what one man may do to work out the problem for the world, he might again have taken courage. No man lives to himself. Job’s life is but your life and mine written in larger text….So, then, though we may not know what trials wait on any of us, we can believe that, as the days in which Job wrestled with his dark maladies are the only days that make him worth remembrance, and but for which his name had never been written in the book of life, so the days through which we struggle, finding no way, but never losing the light, will be the most significant we are called to live. —Robert Collyer

  182. foreverblessed says:

    That you came up with Job!
    The thought that Job could know what happened in heaven before his trials started!

    He didn’t know…
    But if he would have known, would he agree with God?

    Or would he say to God: Why don’t you defend me against the adversary?

    A few years ago Mart mentioned Rob Bell, and I followed the blog of Rob for a while. He was going throughthe Bible, and when coming to Job, he wrote: it is outrageous to think that God made a bet with Satan, so it must mean something else….

    God making a bet with Satan….

    Would Job have agreed with that?

  183. foreverblessed says:

    What if indeed God did make a bet with Satan?

    Is that idea too outrageous..

    Or….

    “The Lord is good to all, He has compassion on all He has made”
    Psalm 145:9

    That God goes into great length to reach out to them

  184. jeff1 says:

    I need to understand that it is not for God to meet my expectations of Him as I have no right to have expectations of Him as that is me telling God what to do which truly is outrageous.

  185. poohpity says:

    One thing in common between Job and David which they lived thousands of years apart but both understood as we should too that God’s ways and wonders are far to great for any human being to understand or grasp fully. (Job 42:3; Psalm 139:6 NLT)

    “God is not asking you to figure it out. God is asking you to trust that He already has.” Toby Mac

    I would guess that it all comes down to believing that God is good and His ways are right, just and pure. We may not understand many things but we can trust that God turns whatever happens into good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.

    Romans 8: And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will. 28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. 29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

  186. Beloved says:

    Forever I am about to leave for church which I have not been to for a while. The quote about Job was from a devotional I read last evening. But, if I’d listened to God prompting me to read it in the morning as He did perhaps I would have been prepared for the onslaught from satan. I think the providence of God, knowing and trusting that He is indeed involved and loving me enough to hold me up when the storms come is enough!! We all do and will suffer because the ruler of this world, satan, (who walks about as a roaring lion) I believe is but a mere instrument in Gods hands to do as God says— nothing more. Was God tempted by satan in the garden, in Jobs world, in the cross? But who triumphed? God did! Many miracles in the Bible reveal He is truly Creator yet His ways are not our ways, best to get that through our heads so to speak. Looking forward to worshipping Him with other saints today! God is soooo good. Bless His Holy name.

  187. poohpity says:

    Joyce you asked, “Was God tempted by satan in the garden, in Jobs world, in the cross?”. No it was not God being tempted, wasn’t it Satan tempting people to distrust God which he still does until this very day?

  188. Beloved says:

    Ya I knew I made an error as I posted. Figured most would understand anyway.

  189. poohpity says:

    James 1: 13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.

  190. Beloved says:

    God was tempted to allow satan to upturn His world, but who was really in control? We often forget God is the ruler, yet. Why satan was kicked out of heaven and came crashing to the earth. God rules!

  191. Beloved says:

    Tempted- enticed.

  192. Beloved says:

    James wins!!!

  193. poohpity says:

    Didn’t God give free will to all His creation which also includes angels? Satan can tempt us but it is us after all that gives in to those temptations because God always gives us a way out of each temptation. So isn’t it us that made the choice to ignore God and listen to Satan so essentially it was people who upturned God’s world and the very way He wanted it to be; walking and talking with God in paradise depending on Him?

  194. Beloved says:

    4 Then (B)Jesus was led up by (C)the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. So, God was tempted, there must be more to it. Bye for now.

  195. bratimus says:

    Read foreverblessed post about the bet, so went and read the first part of Job.

    When I read my thoughts went to that it wasn’t a bet.

    God already knew what the evil one was up to, there was going to be a challenge to God’s grace. God just set it up as He saw fit.

    I don’t know all God’s ways heavenly or earthly.

    I do know that God’s Will will prevail through all.

    The Brat

  196. poohpity says:

    Joyce, wasn’t Jesus fully human as well as being fully divine, so it seems that Satan was tempting the human part of Jesus to go against His divine nature but it was God that provided the way out from those temptations. Jesus had to be tempted just as we are for His human experience to be complete so He can understand what we go through. Hebrews 4:15 NIV

    bratimus, do you honestly believe as Steve does that God plays those kind of sick games with us? Does that really sound like the character of a good God?

  197. Beloved says:

    Amazingly dear friends I was able to return to the church that I felt had let me down 20 years ago. In the meantime I have wandered from one church to another, never finding peace. Today was a miracle of Gods forgiveness and His help to make feel healed and safe again. Oh He’s so loving and patient. Thank you my dears for loving and supporting me through my exile. it’s a memorial day for me indeed, in memory of Gods faithfulness. LORD Jesus bless you and keep you!

  198. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, that is great!
    I am so happy for you, and with you!

    Dear Bratimus, you are right, it cannot be a bet, it looks like it though.
    To me, Job is one of the most profoundest book of the bible.
    There are topics in there we have no idea about.

    But God allows Satan to hurt Job.
    Andere Goden is positive of the outcome:
    Job will love Me.

    Satan says: That’s easy, Job loves You because of all the blessings, take away the blessing, and Job will curse You, God!

    “Our Father in heaven
    hallowed be Your Name
    ….
    Make, that when we are tested, we will not forget You”

  199. foreverblessed says:

    And God was positive about Job: God knew for sure that Job would come out of the temptation as Gold!

    That is Our Father in heaven, He is sure about Job, while Job has some serious accusations against God:
    I always followed You, why do You strike me in this way?

    God wants us as His dear children show to the evil world:

    A child of God does love Him unconditionally!

  200. Beloved says:

    My thought is its more about His goodness and faithfulness to His creation even after the Fall when man chose to find greatness apart from God, yet scripture speaks of the “patience of Job” which I’ve heard some preachers dispute. Could it be both? Our patience in suffering AND Gods greatness revealing Who He is?

  201. Beloved says:

    I too think Job to be a most profound book, although each has its purpose for sure. I remember street wondering if Job was a type of Christ when he first came on here then Mart saying no. But the thought comes to mind to me also today, with his suffering for nothing he did wrong. And God seems to have appointed the events, yet Job was suffering more than 3 days and was none too ready to suffer as Christ did. Christ knew His suffering/death would bring Glory to God and save sinners from certain death. Job learned the hard way, yet patiently. I think if we can be sure as piper says that all events, sufferings and mercies, are preappointed by God we have a foot up on the devil. Unlike Job did. We are so blessed to have Job in the cannon!

  202. bratimus says:

    What I believe is God’s will above all other wills, will be done.

    This wasn’t a sick game on God’s part, you all should know that the evil one is the one who plays sick games.

    God’s was speaking to the evil one as a spoiled rotten child. Already knowing what the evil one was up to.

    So God placed a faithful servant in the evil ones path, knowing full well the out come, because God knows all things. This happen so the evil wouldn’t go after someone less faithful not having God’s full protection for lack of believe.

    Instead of looking at this like a sick game on God’s part.

    Look at it pointing to why we needed Christ to take it all for us. For I probably couldn’t have gone through what Job did, that is why I am so thankful for my Lord and Savior to take it on for me.

    I do believe that there are some servants of Christ out there that not only carry their cross by but help others carry theirs

    I should not have had to step into this argument, questioning why God does anything is a very slippery slope. And I do not like being tested by man, because we are all in the same boat and some should stop rocking it. They just get thrown over board, Christ is the Captain of my boat.

    The Brat

  203. street says:

    thinking of job interceding for his friends. an intercessor or mediator, a righteous one, even before the bet, the foundation of the world. a type. made in the image of God. oh to abide in His presents, and never get lost again.
    the Lord our shield, something to hold on too.

  204. Beloved says:

    Street i agree, a type in that sense, yes. Powerful are the prayers of the saints! Very encouraging street!

  205. Beloved says:

    Sorry brat but unfortunately you are fresh meat for pooh. I love the girl but she’s feisty for sure. Fasten your seat belt and stay!!! Iron sharpens iron, need I say more? But as always, God is good.

  206. poohpity says:

    Or we can just step out of the boat and walk on water with Jesus and not pay any attention to those who try and rock the boat with vain philosophies and carnal knowledge.

  207. Beloved says:

    See?

  208. poohpity says:

    Joyce, bratimus has been around a long time. brat came on long before you did. I was not insinuating that brat had vain philosophies or carnal knowledge that is mostly unbelievers who do, so try not to start any crap OK. See?

  209. Beloved says:

    From tonight’s devotion…

    Why do we suffer? To bring Glory to God.
    Dr. R C Sproul

  210. Beloved says:

    Dear pooh, please address me by my blog name. Thank you.

  211. Beloved says:

    Thinking about suffering. Does it bring glory to God to submit oneself to things that knowingly create suffering? like putting your hand in a garbage disposal while it’s running? Probably not.

    But tonight I am so grateful for God’s healing to return to the church I love today. I marvel at how many years of struggle with ptsd I’ve been through to get to today. I had almost given up hope, yet God let me get to the end of myself THEN He intervened. This church is perfect for me, my style of worship, the abundance of testimonies and sharing of how God is working in people’s lives; it reminds me of the fellowship on the blog. Real faith, real people. ( being real) Bless His Holy name, Jesus

  212. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, may God bless you in your new church,(ha ha old church too)

    Bratimus, for me, this is reallyu a good discussion on Job, so sorry for giving the impression that I am gainsaying you!

    God is NOT playing games, that is for sure!
    But would I start a communication with a person who is playing real sick games? And yet, that is what God does!

    In my old church, the church of my upbringing, they said: Job needed it, because he was very self-righteous, citing Job 30 and Job 31
    And yes, my old church,(fundamentalistic church) also said, that Job’s patience was hmmmm…
    I have asked forgiveness to God for whatever I have said about Job.

    Job, being a type of Christ?
    Well indeed, in the fact that he was making intercession for his friends,

    I also thought of this:
    God saw Job, and was relly pleased about him.
    God saw him fit to be drawn into temptation by Satan,
    in that aspect he was a type of Christ:

    Luke 4:1-2
    Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, where for forty days He was tempted by the devil.

    (There was a oreacher who was giving a sermon on this, and asked: If Jesus was led into the desert and tempted, who says that we will not be?)

    So to me, the prayer Jesus taught is very very real:
    …and lead us not into temptation,
    but deliever us from the evil one.

    Jesus was led into the desert, and was tempted, God did not tempt Jesus, but neither did He shield Jesus from that temptation by Satan.

    There must be a very good reason why God allowed Job, and Jesus to be tempted by Satan.
    Really, and that is the intriguing part of it all, God had a good reason, as Bratimus writes: God is always good, so the reason myust be very very good.

    That is for one thing that I think that in the end, of all things, the book of Job will become more clear, will have a message that is really very very deep:

    God loves ALL He has made

    And my eyes fell on this Psalm:
    Psalm 133:1
    How good and how pleasant it is when brothers live (discuss) together in unity

    The unity that is in the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Love, peace, patience, longsuffering, …

    God bless you all today, a new day, here the wheather is lovely, a small breeze, sunshine, not too hot, not too cold, springtime all over…
    Birds (blackbirds) being fed in our yard,other little birds have been breeding in our garden young: birds have flown out of a little bird house,

    But I believe the blackbirds we have overhere in Europe are not the same as your blackbirds though, ours have a lovely song, a joy to listen to in the morning, at nighttime..
    like angels singing praise songs to their Maker

  213. foreverblessed says:

    Luke 3:22
    And a voice came from heaven:
    “You are My Son, whom I love, with hYou I am well pleased”

    Job 1:8
    “Have you considered Job? There is no-one on earth like him, he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil”.

  214. bratimus says:

    Today is Memorial Day.

    Want to give my thanks and respect to all who have sacrifice so much for this country and their fellow man.

    The Brat

  215. bratimus says:

    So I won’t be commenting on the book of Job anymore.

    I’ve been reading or trying to read(things keep coming up) the book of Judges.

    The Tired Grumpy Brat

  216. Beloved says:

    Forever thank you for your blessings! Since I live far away from where I used to attend church this church is different people but the same denomination, also started by the Jesus People movement of the seventies. Sometimes it’s best to just be who you are where God feeds you and enjoy the growing in Christ. Bless you and all here today, and especially those like Steve who served. Remembering of course the fallen friends of loved ones.

  217. Beloved says:

    Brat you mentioned Judges, I thought of Deborah, who’s name is also part of the family here. Hope you will be refreshed in the LORD today. God bless your reading also.

  218. bubbles says:

    Missing Maru’s posts. Always enjoyed reading them.

  219. SFDBWV says:

    Like mother, like daughter, like father like son.

    When I was a child my parents along with so many others made the yearly pilgrimage to our little home town here and more specifically to our cemetery in order to cut the grass, clean up the graves and decorate the last resting place of family and friends.

    They were taught such respect for the dead and so passed this along to the generation that followed.

    Decoration Day was like a homecoming of sort’s people from far away came home to the cemetery and while there met with old friends and family and relived many enjoyable tales of their youth or of their lives.

    Also many stories were told about those whom graves they graced with flowers and the like.

    No one any longer has to come with sickle and mower as in those old days, but they still come to decorate the graves of those they loved.

    We as a Municipality see that all the mowing is done and all the flags put on all the veterans, the decorating is left to the families.

    It is though still a weekend of homecoming, visiting and fellowship with many.

    So the torch is passed from generation to generation it being our responsibility to educate the next.

    Such is why it so important to pass along the Gospel from generation to generation and not to pervert it as has already been done time and time again. Causing confusion and we are told that confusion is a tool of the devil in order to create doubts.
    I simply have learned when confronted with a puzzle in Scripture, to either await clarification via the Holy Spirit and or just trust it to God and move on.

    Don’t listen to the loudest voice, but rather that still small voice in your own heart.

    Wherever and whomever you are I hope your day is blessed.

    Steve

  220. Beloved says:

    Bubbles I have been thinking of Maru also.

  221. poohpity says:

    Our weather here is more than 20 degrees cooler than normal so we are enjoying a reprieve from the heat this year so far. It is 66 degrees F this morning and last week it even snowed in the upper elevations which is very odd to say the least. Usually we hit a 100 in late April and it just gets hotter from there up to 116 by late June through the first of September here in the valley of the sun.

    For those who know those fallen while serving in the military we celebrate your sacrifice for the freedoms we now enjoy. No greater treasure than to lay one’s life down for the benefit of others whether here or in another country. Taking a moment to pray for those left behind and having gratitude for the many who are no longer with us I celebrate your lives and sacrifices on this day of memories.

  222. bratimus says:

    I think Maru was the name I was trying to remember, their comments I enjoyed. Maru sign with a phrase in another language right.

    Also I was thinking of Grey the other day and how I stopped seeing his post.

    Peace be with you
    Blessed in God’s Grace!

    Christopher (Bratimus)

  223. poohpity says:

    Father, It is so very sad that human beings can not quite see your reflection in your Son to think that your intentions for us can be for harm rather than for good. Jeremiah 29:11 NLT

  224. poohpity says:

    No Maru never wrote in another language besides English. I believe that the only person here that talks in another language beside English is forever. Were you also thinking about Gary?

  225. Beloved says:

    Our weather up north also cooler than usual. Hasn’t gotten above 70f yet, 50’s cold and rainy today (30s at night) but finally the trees are getting gorgeous green foliage! We should get a few days of summer by July? Glad for you in the sun belt to have a reprieve.

  226. poohpity says:

    I think Maru was best known for trying to guide the conversations back to the topic at hand, gracefully and knowing God through the scriptures since she is also a gifted teacher.

  227. Beloved says:

    Sola deo gloria I remember from someone who passed a few years ago now. (To God be the glory)

  228. jeff1 says:

    You Raise Me Up

    When I am down and oh my soul so weary
    When troubles come and my heart burdened be
    Then I am still and wait here in the silence
    Until you come and sit a while with me

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains (stand on mountains)
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas (stormy seas)
    I am strong (I am strong), when I am on your shoulders (I am strong)
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains (stand on mountains)
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas (stormy seas)
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, to more than I can be

  229. street says:

    Like Father like Son

    loving your enemies.

    sin the enemy of God.

    forgiven

    been forgiven?

    for what purpose?

    we know there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.

    could it be for a relationship with the One Who forgave?

    Father forgive them they know not what they do.

    His is Risen!

    19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

  230. poohpity says:

    Just another thought about the book of Job. Who really knows the dialogue between God and His fallen angel, Satan? It could be that very dialogue was a hunch from a human being, Job. As God asked Job where were you when the things that are formed were formed to prove Job was not in the know about many things. Just thinking about it.

  231. street says:

    to doubt disobey ignore or to take away/add to God’s Word is a sin. God’s Word is Spiritual, yet i am of flesh and blood. confusion misunderstanding or complete rebellion? same consequence? i hear Judgment will rest upon His shoulders and it will not be difficult for Him. there are two things about the Judgment that will be very difficult to grasp. one the severity of punishment, the other the extreme generosity of blessing. david saw both of these in his lifetime. job too as a righteous one who suffers.

    thinking of david, who may enter your gate and into your court? to be in your presents? i have a better chance of entering davids court then entering God’s court apart from Jesus. i guess when you think about it they are the same and we will all go there. Jesus our shield, to be held on to. The Word Waits. thinking of mary. Luke 10:39

    i find it interesting that we can hold on to Him now, but not in the garden after the Resurrection. John 14:30
    I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,

    John 20:17
    Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

    John 7:39

    39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

    Romans 8:30
    And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

    dawn comes and drives the darkness away.

    Lord fill my lamp and light it.

  232. street says:

    Psalm 77:
    11
    I will remember the deeds of the Lord;
    yes, I will remember your miracles of long ago.
    12
    I will consider all your works
    and meditate on all your mighty deeds.”

  233. bratimus says:

    That was it Beloved I was remembering him, I enjoyed what he wrote and signed off with that, thank you

    I remembered Gary because we once discussed Mathew 13, I was thinking about it the other day. I seen wrote grey interesting.

    There have been so many that come and comment then stop hard to remember all the names they used.

    The Brat

  234. Beloved says:

    Pooh how is your liver care going? Are you very uncomfortable? Lots of pain?

  235. Beloved says:

    I spoke with a lady today in liver failure. She needs lactulose to keep her brain from overloading on ammonia and went into coma for 8 days once. she’s very tired and is having some confusion/memory problems. She’s thankful she can use the toilet by herself today. I thought of you.

  236. Beloved says:

    In the middle of an unfolding drama, the Son says, “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me.” (John 5:30)

    This is astounding. Why couldn’t Jesus “do nothing on my own” ? He says he does as He hears and judges according to the will of God. Mystery of divine and human, yet his wholly human part completely consigned to obedience to God. Been thinking about dual natures and thinking either we are one (Christ in us) or the other —the god of this world, satan, as Jesus called Peter I think it was. Just thinking. Does the flesh really have a dog in this tension? I’m rethinking what I’ve been taught regarding the world-flesh-devil. Could it be either or rather than take your pick and respond accordingly?

  237. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 5:8-9 New International Version (NIV)

    8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. I’m thinking “ learned obedience” means something different than being disobedient He had to learn to be obedient through suffering. He was obedient from the get-go. Could “made perfect” be the point at which he died? For all who would come to believe and obey? Still thinking of the dual role as God-Man. Son of God AND Son of Man. Mind boggling.

  238. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, that is hard to understand!
    Did Jesus really have to learn obedience?
    I have heard the explanation once:
    that He learned it for our sakes.

    And that that is why we follow Him in faith, His obedience that He had gained on the human level is then given to us,
    But that is my feeble interpretation.

    Today’s Utmost us very good:
    In that day you will ask Me nothing…
    John 16:23a

    That day
    John 14:20-21

    Because I live, you will also live. On that day you will realise that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you

  239. foreverblessed says:

    I was going to write about thatterrible revolt in prisons in Brazil.
    What a tragedy, what a hell on earth.

    Oh my God, please have mercy on these inmates, and the guards.
    Please let there be prison reform.
    Make people to see how to treat prisoners.
    Let there be prison ministry, just like Cbrown has.

    I pray this in the Name of Jesus,
    Our precious Lord, who came to save the world, not to condemn it.

  240. jeff1 says:

    When you speak of those inmates I think of Paul and how God was with him and strengthened him and I think also of Paul being an enemy of Jesus and yet God turned him and that’s what gives me hope today because nothing is impossible for God.

    It is He who turns our enemies to friends and that is why I know of His power and His majesty as He does what is impossible for another human being to do.

    I limit God to my own human understanding but God is not limited and it is not until I see His omniscience that I really begin to trust God.

    Joy is not a bubble,
    Not a passing dream.
    It’s deeper than all trouble,
    Flowing on unseen.

    Refrain:
    Breath of life,
    Living God now within;
    Evermore
    Here in me, me in Him.

    Life is like a fountain,
    Not a stormy sea.
    It’s springing up forever,
    Rising full and free!

    He is holy Jesus,
    Holy in my heart.
    He’s speaking love and mercy,
    Calling me apart.

    As I trust His goodness,
    Life and joy begin.
    I’m walking in His presence,
    Growing more like Him.

    My Lord! My Lord! My Lord!

  241. jeff1 says:

    The work is done, His gift complete,
    For Jesus Christ is all we need.
    He lives the life we long to lead,
    And He is ours and all we need.
    His holy heart now beats within.
    We live and move and love in Him.
    His life is everlasting seed,
    And faith in Christ is all we need.

    When weakness seems our sure defeat,
    Lord Jesus Christ is all we need.
    His sovereign will is power indeed.
    We come to Him for all we need.
    His promise stands forever sure.
    Our Rock is firm, our Hope secure.
    His death and life have guaranteed
    That faith in Christ is all we need.

    This world began, its end will be
    In Him whose Word is all we need.
    He calls His own to just believe
    That Jesus Christ is all we need.
    This world will soon go up in flame.
    Our confidence will be the same,
    For God Himself will be our creed,
    And He is all, and all we need.

  242. poohpity says:

    street, you said, “to doubt disobey ignore or to take away/add to God’s Word is a sin.” Who ever told you that? I do know that at the end of Revelation John talks about taking away or adding to that prophesy what will happen but it is only for that book. Rev 22:18-19

    I have never heard anyone say it was a sin to search for truth and use the brains God gave them. There are all kinds of things to learn about scripture and I do believe God is big enough to handle all our questions with impunity.

    It seems God does not ask us to blindly trust Him because He has made every attempt to show us that we can trust Him yet many still don’t when they do not go to Him before they do anything or say anything. The bible is full of people that acted on their own before they trusted God for their situations and God even blessed us with knowing the results yet many people still do that, act or try to teach without His guidance then it turns into confusion and chaos. People trying to prove their point rather than what God is trying to teach us through the scriptures.

  243. poohpity says:

    It is usually only PEOPLE full of pride and big egos that get upset when you ask them questions about things they say or believe in BUT God knows that we are inquisitive since He made us that way and in fact tells us it is OK to ask for wisdom, clarification and guidance.

  244. jeff1 says:

    While it is OK to ask for it I still have to have faith when God doesn’t always give me the answer I hoped for.

    I often have to accept that God’s answer is not what I was expecting and that is when my faith really comes into play.

    I need to be able to trust God in the wilderness of life otherwise where is my faith?

  245. poohpity says:

    Yes Viv, that is true but we have many examples of the faithfulness of God that assures our faith and helps it grow.

    Beloved, What makes you ask about my ammonia levels? Is it out of compassion or to try to show that my brain may not be working right, as a dig? I can assure you that my brain doesn’t always work right whether my levels are high or not, lol.

  246. Beloved says:

    Compassion.

  247. jeff1 says:

    Thinking how often it is in the wilderness that God brings clarity when I am at least expecting it.

    I think God likes to surprise or keep me on my toes.

    Eternal Light! Eternal Light!
    What soul can bear Your searching sight?
    What heart, so open, pure, and true,
    Can live and calmly gaze on You?

    The glowing spirits round Your throne
    All serve where sin is never known.
    Their eyes can bear the burning bliss
    Beyond a darkened world like this.

    But how can I, a native here,
    Before Your blazing eyes appear?
    Can I, a creature of the night,
    Endure Your uncreated light?

    Praise God, You come to us in Christ!
    In Him our darkness all is light!
    O Fire of all-consuming grace,
    In Christ we stand here face to face!

  248. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 1017 Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

  249. street says:

    poo what does it mean? when Jesus say, ” “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

    it seems the devil was telling Him things that were doubtful ignorant untrustworthy and outright lies. we do hear things. the fun part is to distinguish His voice among the crowd. Jesus implied it will not be hard for His sheep to hear His voice, for they follow Him.

  250. street says:

    impunity
    exemption from punishment.

    immunity from detrimental effects, as of an action.

    There are all kinds of things to learn about scripture and I do believe God is big enough to handle all our questions with impunity.

    if i remember Scripture correctly, God did take sins punishment on Himself in sinless human flesh. it did not have any detrimental effect on Him. He changes not.

    thinking of pauls speaking about all things our ours now in Christ Jesus.
    1 Corinthians 3:20-22

    20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours,

    The Providence of God.

  251. Beloved says:

    Except Solomon, God have him wisdom. The rest of us, not so much but what we learn from scripture, the word, Word of God.

  252. Beloved says:

    And when we ask in faith ( James), but I read recently that asking questions of God that He answers already in scripture is wrong. This makes sense to me as many many times satan has used scripture to confuse and lead me astray when I asked God questions. As Paul said to Timothy all scripture is valuable for reproof rebuke and growing in righteousness.

  253. Beloved says:

    All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

  254. Beloved says:

    Dear Pooh, it occurs to me that if one questions the occurrence concerning satan and God then one could easily question the resurrection- which many do. It’s a slippery slope to change it because one doesn’t like or agree with what it says.

  255. jeff1 says:

    Though passing through this darkened world,
    We’re children of the Light.
    Though pressured and rejected here,
    We’re precious in Your sight.

    Refrain
    We walk below with hearts above,
    The captives of eternal love.
    But by Your Spirit show us how
    To love You fully here and now.

    The fruit of all Your life and love
    Will come to those who reap.
    With joy, my Lord, we gladly sow
    The lives we cannot keep.

    Through pain and sorrow, grief and death
    We more than overcome.
    We fix our eyes on Jesus Christ,
    Your risen, reigning Son!

  256. Beloved says:

    And to those [like us] who, because they misunderstood— feared, and hated him, …“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope”

    Once I too feared and hated God and mankind because I misunderstood Him. The more I understand God, the less I fear and hate people. Interesting how a little faith can change a person.

  257. Beloved says:

    *My post @2:18 is from 2 Timothy 3:16-17

  258. jeff1 says:

    Bless this seed
    As we sow.
    Father, only You can make it grow.

    Bless this seed,
    Sown in faith.
    Lord, complete Your work as we obey.

    In Your love,
    By Your Word,
    For Your purpose and Your glory, Lord.

    Grow this seed
    Day by day.
    Bless its fruit in human lives, we pray.

    In Your love,
    By Your Word,
    For Your purpose and Your glory, Lord.

    You create.
    You command.
    Bless this seed. We leave it in Your hand.

  259. street says:

    Matthew 13:26-28

    26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

    27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

    28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

    “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

  260. foreverblessed says:

    Asking God questions?
    What I get from the Psalms is that what God wants is honousty, if you have a serious question, He wants youto ask it!
    God will never leave us or forsake us, we know that, but if things are really going in very very hard directions, then it is possible that a man can call our to God:
    Why have you forsaken me?

    Anyway, the thought occurred to me that when I read about the slippery slope: ” that’s why many christians get tense, for not asking questions honoust questions that they do have, but out of fear of losing their faith, they don’t ask”

    I have asked God this question, ( I have talked about it before):
    My God, did You forget me?

    It was when after a long time the headache came back, and my spirit was down, in the middle of the night.
    The next morning, I woke up, and it was going a little better.
    There was snow outside ( sometimes I get headaches when it starts snowing after a dry period)
    I thought: well, let’s go outside and clear the pathway, before people start walking over it.
    I went outside with a broom, but there was no snow on our pathway, it was left at the neighbours, it was right where the other neighbours have a tree, even under their tree there was snow, but not in front of our house.
    And a still small voice softly spoke to me, not in words, but in ….What is it, knowledge:
    “See, that I did not forget you?”

  261. foreverblessed says:

    We have a Great God, too high to comprehend, but He comes very very close to our honoust questions.

    Jesus Son of Man, and Son of God

    Too big a thing to understand, but in walking with Him we experience it.

    I have had deep questions, for over 40 years, and I haven’t lost my faith.
    I do believe more in the Resurrection than I ever did.
    If I take it literal, that Jesus became man, and lived, and died for us, to pay our ransom, to give us a spiritual birth:
    He lives, now in us, through the Spirit.

    He had to go, so He could send the Comforter, Paraklete.

    I did some reading on John 14:14-20
    And with the McLaren Bible commentary.
    Lovely sermon on Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

    And today will be the funeral of that dear pastor.
    May God be with his wife, and children.
    And all of us.

    ( I have noticed the comfort the Spirit gives, and the opening of my mind to scripture in a deeper way.

    Yesterday was Psalm 67 and Revelation 21

    I had to cry, almost, he is now there, it’s ok, and it seemed as if God gives us more of His Spirit that was with him now to us.
    I don’t know, but it seems so. In a minute copy of Elijah giving to Elisa.
    That when a saint dies God does something…

    (God wants to do that, but we are not always ready to receive it: When my dad died I was too much grieving to be able to accept comfort from God, that is to say, I received some, but not as deep as I do now.)
    So deep, God is sooooo good

  262. jeff1 says:

    There have been some very difficult times in my life and I was hurting too much to believe God was with me and so I relied on the faith of others to get me through them.

    I asked for their prayers for me because I was unsure of God’s love for me and felt I had displeased Him in some way and He would answer their prayers when he wouldn’t answer mine.

    God did answer my prayers through them and so I knew that God was not displeased with me but cared about what happened to me.

    I have said before that I have not suffered for the Gospel but because I have a tendency to wander from God rather than run to Him and that as reflected in my walk.

    I believe I am much more the sinner seeking God because I battle with demons whether real or imaginary (mental breakdown suffered from delusions) than the Saint who has found Him.

    While I would not wish psychotic episodes on anyone it was when I became closer to God and became convinced that while others did leave me God was true to His word as I never felt His presence more than when I hit rock bottom.

    I am not an easy person to live with as my son would tell you as my moods have tendency to be high or low and getting the balance is what is difficult for me.

    If my family find it difficult then they want to be in my head.

    Life is not easy whether I have faith or not because faith alone does not change the world and its ways which to my way of thinking are contrary to God’s ways.

    Having said that as a person of faith I never give up hope that God is in the detail and the glimpses I get of Him though not as often as I would hope reassure me that faith in Him is what is worth living for as I have not found much else in this world that is.

  263. bratimus says:

    I’ve been waking up in the wee hours of the morning 2-3 am, so I’m tired and my allergies have been bothering me, all the man made fragrances out there that get to me.

    In these wee hours I’ve been thinking about something. In this “society” man has made, what is going to trap us or snare us. WE have things from Government systems and programs, private systems and programs, group systems and programs and new fades popping up everyday.

    So which of these are traps and snares that will be used against us today or more likely the tomorrows to come.

    I can’t tell you that is why I walk in faith in the hope that Christ will keep me out of these traps and snares that man has made.

    Peace be with you all
    God bless you all

    The Brat faithful and trusting in Christ

  264. Beloved says:

    Asking in faith! That’s the key, isn’t it. In the garden it was satan who said “did god really say”? Some questions are really statements, not true inquiry of God.

    Wonderful hearing testimonies this morning! God bless all.

  265. jeff1 says:

    Living below in this old sinful world
    Hardly a comfort can afford
    Striving alone to face temptation so
    Now won’t you tell me

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Life here is grand with friends I love so dear
    Comfort I get from God’s own word
    Yet when I face that chilling hand of death
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

  266. street says:

    30 I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, 31 but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

    1
    I cried out to God for help;
    I cried out to God to hear me.
    2
    When I was in distress, I sought the Lord;
    at night I stretched out untiring hands,
    and I would not be comforted.

    3
    I remembered you, God, and I groaned;
    I meditated, and my spirit grew faint.[b]
    4
    You kept my eyes from closing;
    I was too troubled to speak.
    5
    I thought about the former days,
    the years of long ago;
    6
    I remembered my songs in the night.
    My heart meditated and my spirit asked:

    7
    “Will the Lord reject forever?
    Will he never show his favor again?
    8
    Has his unfailing love vanished forever?
    Has his promise failed for all time?
    9
    Has God forgotten to be merciful?
    Has he in anger withheld his compassion?”

  267. jeff1 says:

    bratimus says:
    May 29, 2019 at 7:58 am

    So which of these are traps and snares that will be used against us today or more likely the tomorrows to come.

    I can’t tell you that is why I walk in faith in the hope that Christ will keep me out of these traps and snares that man has made.

    I haven’t found that God has kept me from getting caught but He has brought me out the other side with lessons learned and that has shown me how much God cares for my well being.

    The error I make is to think I can do anything for God when the truth is that it is God who does everything for me.

    I think it is much easier for me to see that because of my neediness and the reality that my mental illness does limit me so.

    Looking at my dad he was a much stronger character and more self sufficient because he had to be in the times he was brought up in.

    The eldest of a family of five at 18 he went of to join the Navy and that was during the second world war which meant four years at war and then two years in Palestine which I’m sure taught him much about self sufficiency.

    A woman I used to visit (passed away since) said to me of how her father died of his war wounds when she was four. During our discussion we talked of how they did not join up to be warriors but because their parents were struggling to make ends meet and they joined up out of need of work because there was none back then.

    They had little thought of what they were letting themselves in for and today it isn’t much different as it is young men with little going for them that are often lured into a sense of security and honour in serving their country but no one tells them the cost in blood, sweat and tears in doing so.

    The modern world and all its systems isn’t that different from the old one but it takes an old cynic like myself to see that.

    I wasn’t always the cynic though I once was the vulnerable young innocent who believed those in authority were working for my good and not their own selfish desires.

    Northern Ireland was a great place to learn just how two faced Politicians can be but the one thing they overlooked is that in small tight knit communities you cannot keep secrets.

    Everyone is related and tongues wag and ears listen and so when a leader is spouting how much they care for the country and at the same time buying themselves a property in a more stable and upmarket country for them to retire to it doesn’t take a genius to see how deceitful they are being.

    I am 65 years of age and still a greenhorn when it comes to this world and its treachery.

    Put on the Gospel armor, Each piece put on with prayer; Where duty calls or danger, Be never wanting there.

  268. poohpity says:

    Since I am learning that God’s great love for me is not dependent on my merit but solely because of who He is, I can love others without them trying to meet “my” standards. More than half the time I don’t even meet up to my own standards much less having a desire for others to meet them or expect them to be anywhere near perfect because I know I am not perfect.

    The minute I come to the conclusion in how many ways I fall short the more I embrace God’s grace. The more I embrace God’s grace and mercy shown for me in my fallen state the less I expect of others or myself for that matter. Life is so much easier not expecting perfection from people, it sure does ease up on the disappointment and discouragement.

    God so loved that He gave, it seems expecting nothing in return. Oh but what Joy He must feel when we give away freely what He has given us.

  269. poohpity says:

    Joyful are people of integrity,
    who follow the instructions of the Lord.
    2
    Joyful are those who obey his laws
    and search for him with all their hearts.
    3
    They do not compromise with evil,
    and they walk only in his paths.
    4
    You have charged us
    to keep your commandments carefully.
    5
    Oh, that my actions would consistently
    reflect your decrees!
    6
    Then I will not be ashamed
    when I compare my life with your commands.
    7
    As I learn your righteous regulations,
    I will thank you by living as I should!
    8
    I will obey your decrees.
    Please don’t give up on me!

  270. street says:

    6
    Praise be to the Lord,
    who has not let us be torn by their teeth.
    7
    We have escaped like a bird
    from the fowler’s snare;
    the snare has been broken,
    and we have escaped.
    8
    Our help is in the name of the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.

  271. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I am not expecting perfection from Politicians but they are there on our doorsteps and at election time and putting mandates through our doors telling us how they have our interests at heart and yet we have no Government today because the parties cannot agree on how to go forward and it is the ordinary people who suffer.

    So your answer is to drop my standards so that I am not disappointed well I if it is all the same to you I think I’ll just keep looking to God and not be disappointed because that seems like a much better option than trusting the same old Politicians with their same old promises.

  272. street says:

    Isaiah 49:15
    “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

    Deuteronomy 31
    5 The Lord will deliver them to you, and you must do to them all that I have commanded you. 6 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.”

    1 Kings 8:57
    May the Lord our God be with us as he was with our ancestors; may he never leave us nor forsake us.

    Hebrews 13:5
    Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

    the snare is broken

    our hearts have been broken too

    God said I will rebuild on the rubble.

    thinking He doesn’t build with rubble.

    building with gold silver precious stones/Word, in mortal flesh. more than victors, children of God, by the blood of His only Son. He lives! God’s grace and mercy keep and support you always.

  273. jeff1 says:

    God sent His son, they called Him Jesus
    He came to love, heal and forgive
    He lived and died to buy my pardon
    An empty grave is there to prove my Savior lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    How sweet to hold a newborn baby
    And feel the pride and joy He gives
    But greater still the calm assurance
    This child can face uncertain day, because He lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    And then one day, I’ll cross the river
    I’ll fight life’s final war with pain
    And then, as death gives way to victory
    I’ll see the lights of glory and I’ll know He reigns

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

  274. bratimus says:

    WE have to remember that politicians are people I think they are still. The problem is they have some have fall in their own traps and have been snared.

    So what WE do is pray for them, to realize they are snared.

    Philippians 4:6-7

    verses 2-4 are also relevant also.

    The Brat

    p.s. Sometimes it is fun when Christ ask US to spring the trap, then WE get to see the boomerang effect or affect. Dealers choice!

  275. poohpity says:

    Viv, I wonder if God had in mind the specifics about the jobs people hold. I was not responding to anything you wrote about politicians I was sharing about God’s love which is not dependent on MERIT or job titles or social standing it applies to ALL people, period. Next time I read in scripture that God does not love politicians I will let you know after reading through the bible many times I have not run into that yet but that does not mean it is not there because I am still in the process of learning. NO HUMAN BEING IS PERFECT, NOT ONE! Because God showed us grace and mercy when we came to believe that SHOULD help us show the same to others no matter if they are politicians or not.

    To the group, The scriptures street mentioned about snares and traps was from a psalm that David wrote when his enemies were trying to put an end to his kingship as even his own family tried but they fell into the very traps and snares they had intended for David. So the lesson may be when you plan evil for someone else watch out because what you sow, you reap.

    If one sows grace, forgiveness and mercy they will reap grace, forgiveness and mercy. So what happens when one does not sow grace, forgiveness or mercy? I would guess they as the bible says they will not receive it, the thought of that just scares me to death since I am so glad I received them. (Matt 5:7, 6:14, 7:2; Luke 6:37) Again we reap what we sow.

  276. foreverblessed says:

    Yesterday was Ascension day, we had a big celebration in the old church, with many different pastors from different churches.
    And it was wonderful, with Gospel singers, keyboard player but also an organ. The big organ, with real pipes. Huge pipes.

    The christian community wants to bring the christian message to the city.
    The theme was: There is more between heaven and earth.

    Jesus went to heaven, but His Spirit is now for us, but given in a language that a non-believer may understand.
    I can’t do that, here I talk with people who have accepted Christ as their Savior, and who believe that through the Spirit He lives in us.

    How do you tell the story of the ascension to the unbelieving?

    It was done wonderfully.
    One part the pastor was reading Acts 1:4-5,8-11
    but slowly and after a line, the organ would play,
    and then another line, and the organ would play

    That was wonderful

    And
    “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord”

    The organ started to paly in a very traditional manner, but then the keyboard would take over, and improvise, and after that the gospel singers would make a huge improvisation on that song.

    And everybody was joyful,
    they were praying for the city that people would be a praising and praying lot together again.

    So far this day as we had it over here.
    I do not know if you guys in the States do keep this festival of Ascension, or is it just a working day?

  277. foreverblessed says:

    And the day before was the funeral of the pastor who died unexpectedly.
    It was a real thankful meeting, the comfort of God, the saying of thanks for the life of this man.
    And the prayer over his family:

    Psalm 100:1-5
    A psalm. For giving grateful praise.

    1
    Shout for joy to the Lord, all the earth.
    2
    Worship the Lord with gladness;
    come before him with joyful songs.
    3
    Know that the Lord is God.
    It is he who made us, and we are his[a];
    we are his people, the sheep of his pasture.

    4
    Enter his gates with thanksgiving
    and his courts with praise;
    give thanks to him and praise his name.
    5
    For the Lord is good and his love endures forever;
    his faithfulness continues through all generations.

    Footnotes: a Psalm 100:3 Or and not we ourselves

    With the emphasis on: through all generations:
    This grandfather started the faith, (he became a believer again), and the blessing will pass on to his generations.
    Probably this man had received the blessing from one of his forefathers, foremothers…

  278. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    I did not say God didn’t love Politicians but I did say they are behaving badly towards the ordinary people and here in this country you will find many who share my disappointment.

    No disrespect to you Pooh but my dad believed in reading the Bible for his own encouragement and rebuke and I believe likewise because I was led astray by too many Bible scholars who boasted how well they knew their Bible but their words and actions were very different to their beliefs.

    I look today for people who are kind rather than knowledgeable because I have found that knowledge tends to make people boastful because as you say we are all human and fallen beings when all is said and done.

    I think God knows human beings very well much better than we know ourselves so listening to his small voice is a must for me.

    Bratimus, our prayers every Sunday in our church include our Politicians and also for the world at large where strife is ongoing but I know that God knows best what He is doing but my head does battle with my heart and causes me distress.

    God’s timing and not mine is sometimes difficult to grasp but God is sure and I am not is not difficult to grasp for me.

  279. poohpity says:

    Viv, yesterday morning before I came on here I read a devotional about the unmerited love of God and it touched my heart to know that I did not have to do anything for God to love me, so forgive me if it bothers you that I share God’s word to encourage and build up others by it. I do not share to look knowledgeable or superior to anyone else but because as believers are asked to share His word and after all the bible is available to everyone, it is not a secret. No one can be lead astray if they fill their minds with the word of God on their own. So please stop accusing me of an evil intent when it is you that most often takes what I share in a negative light or meant as telling others what to do. Maybe try thinking that I may just have God in mind when I share His words.

    No one can do the love of God on their own usually when they receive His love they are excited to share with others because of the gratitude they feel over what God has done for them. That is exactly why I share and no other reason. Should you tell Mart not to share what he is learning because someone accuses him of having his own welfare in mind rather than what Jesus said as He left this earth, “Go and teach everything I have taught you”.

    There are after all some who share God’s word because they love Him and His word because it has changed their life. They do not do it to boast or to make themselves look smarter than others BUT because deep down in our hearts He means more to us than anything else and it is done out of gratitude.

    Viv, you love songs and poetry so you share them on here. Steve loves TV and movies so he shares those on here. Forever loves science and music so she shares that on here. I love God and His word so I share it on here. So should we all stop sharing what we love on here?

  280. poohpity says:

    Viv, you also love your dad and share about him on here. I also am sharing about my dad on here because I love HIM.

  281. street says:

    No one can be lead astray if they fill their minds with the word of God on their own.

    this is a false statement. the pharisees filled their minds with Gods Word but it did not profit them. their hearts were far from Him, even working against Him. the Spirit of Truth that comes from the Truth is needed. needed from the sand point of extreme poverty on sinful mans part. i remember paul being ask by Jesus why are you kicking against the goads? the statement is false because Jesus said apart from Me you can do nothing. the Greatest things in life are in Christ and they are to joined up daily not on our own. we are never to be alone, simply because there is no life apart from God. His Grace and Mercy are in deed life, not to missed.

  282. street says:

    No one can do the love of God on their own usually when they receive His love they are excited to share with others because of the gratitude they feel over what God has done for them.

    these words are a little more tricky to work through. thinking of job again. satans did not believe job served God for nothing. he found out later he did. he trusted God for nothing, freely,and entrusted himself to God. i think God’s love is that way too. we are nothing in our fallen state, but God chose to love us anyway and complete the work He began. we were sold for nothing/lie and we were Redeemed for nothing. i think we are to love that way to. love one another the way I have loved you. for nothing? i would have to agree that love is the Greatest of all virtues that we have seen in Christ. oh to Have Christ Formed in Us. the thing is, even heathens love, but they don’t love like God, there in lies the confusion. God says Who can you compare Me too? no one save Christ, Whom we are to be conformed too. the blessing comes after the cross, grace and mercy till then and forever after the cross. i think abraham is still waiting and so are we. Jesus is too. waiting for Father. watching and waiting, fasting and praying, trusting and obeying. life and light in Christ in the valley.

  283. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, it has been your experience not to have seen people use God’s word for the wrong reasons but I cannot say the same because this is a religious divided country and that means it suited men in power to keep them in power to keep it divided with little thought of the consequences.

    You want to see everyone through rose coloured spectacles but when we do that we do God an injustice.

    I am no Saint here as I will admit I have done my share of hating my enemies until God showed me that only He can make judgements that are unbiased.

    It was my dad who never hated his enemies because he had insight and vision that I never had.

    I talk of my dad because he was one of the most truly godly men I have known.

    I have had the privilege of knowing three, my dad, his Rector and a lady in her nineties that I visited.

    They walked the walk and the one similarity in them was there humility i.e. didn’t have a bad word to say about anyone as if they couldn’t say something good then they said nothing at all.

    I am not doubting your sincerity or anyone else but I have seen too many use the word of God for their own ends to know better.

  284. poohpity says:

    I have never said that people do not use God’s words for wrong reasons just look on here alone that is often the case. However what I was saying if we know God’s word then we can tell when they are and with His spirit living in us we are also able to discern fact or truth from fiction, superstition, tradition and the left field.

    Rather than assuming that I look at people through rose colored glasses I know we “can” look at them through the lenses God has given us those of mercy and even then I often fail.

    It is true that there are people if they do not have something good to say about someone they say nothing at all. It would be nice if more people practiced that but one does not have to be a believer to do that. That is just good old fashion manners and respect for others that many parents teach their children when they are young. Then knowing just how it feels for people to say things that are not true but only from their perspective and then not to assume things about people because we get such a small glimpse of them and certainly can not see their hearts so it is also better in the long run to say nothing but just be kind because that is how we want to be treated.

    People do not deserve mercy or grace, isn’t that how God does it, that was given to us when we are like we are and isn’t that acting with godliness?

  285. poohpity says:

    Matt 7:12 NLT; Luke 6:31 isn’t that the golden rule?

  286. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, people do not deserve mercy or grace includes myself so what gives me the right to say I can give grace or mercy to another unless I am playing God.

    I have no right to extend mercy to grace to anyone as I am equally at the foot of the cross as they are!

    God is the only righteous judge and it is total arrogance to think I have the right to give grace and mercy to anyone when I am no more worthy to eat the crumbs under the Lord’s table than anyone else as I confess every time I attend a service of communion and take it literally.

  287. bratimus says:

    I would point out the pharisees did not have the Gospels or New testament as we do. If I remember correctly the pharisees did believe in God’s Spirit. The Sadducee’s didn’t believe in God’s spirit. I would speculate that the pharisee sect had some division after. The Sadducee’s held firm to the Laws of Moses. Remember all this worked towards God’s will, if we where in there place what would we do, just like if we where in Adam and Eves place. Most would fall short of God’s Glory. I’m so glad that I’m in my timing and I have Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    The Brat

  288. jeff1 says:

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

    1.
    You spoke to us long, long ago,
    gave us the written word;
    we read it still, needing its truth
    through it God’s voice is heard.

    Chorus:

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

    2.

    Without your help we fail our Lord,
    we cannot live His way;
    we need Your power, we need Your strength,
    following Christ each day.

    Chorus:

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

  289. poohpity says:

    Viv, regarding your 3:07pm comment, WHAT? One can only give away what one has, if one has been shown grace and mercy and accepted it, then one can give it away just as they received it. It has nothing to do with playing God but realizing we have been given an amazing gift and want to share it with others just like love. If you are filled with love then it comes pouring out to others. John 13:34

  290. poohpity says:

    brat, I think one big difference in the Pharisees and Sadducees, Pharisees believed in the Resurrection and the Sadducees did not.

  291. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    May 31, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    Viv, regarding your 3:07pm comment, WHAT? One can only give away what one has, if one has been shown grace and mercy and accepted it, then one can give it away just as they received it. It has nothing to do with playing God but realizing we have been given an amazing gift and want to share it with others just like love. If you are filled with love then it comes pouring out to others.

    Pooh, we have faith in God and trust in Jesus but that is where our similarities end as we are very different people on different journeys.

    It is God who understands our individual needs and meets them and I cannot give another what God can which I am sure we can agree on.

    My gift from God is not something to be given away but to be cherished with all my heart and kept there until I come face to face with the Lord or that is how I see it.

    God is generous and abundantly gracious and is lavishing His gifts everywhere on this earth as is His Right to do and I am just on my knees with gratitude that He choose me as one to bestow on.

    Perhaps I am just over anxious about continuing to play God as I was doing it for a great part of my life until God showed me my folly and used my dad to do so.

    We all see things differently as God is teaching us different things.

  292. jeff1 says:

    Years I spent in vanity and pride
    Caring not my Lord was crucified
    Knowing not it was for me He died
    On Calvary

    Mercy there was great, and grace was free
    Pardon there was multiplied to me
    There my burdened soul found liberty
    At Calvary

    By God’s Word at last my sin I learned;
    Then I trembled at the law I’d spurned
    Till my guilty soul imploring turned
    To Calvary

    Now I’ve given to Jesus everything
    Now I gladly own Him as my King
    Now my raptured soul can only sing
    Of Calvary!

    Oh, the love that drew salvation’s plan!
    Oh, the grace that brought it down to man!
    Oh, the mighty gulf that God did span
    At Calvary!

    Mercy there was great, and grace was free
    Pardon there was multiplied to me
    There my burdened soul found liberty
    At Calvary

  293. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, that is right, we all see things differently, depending on where we stand in our walk with Jesus:
    You cherish the love in your heart that you receive from Christ!
    Hold it dear, and let it grow!

    I always thought that the overflow of the love of Christ goes to our fellow-men.

    Such great love, that fills our heart, and then overflows, like a cup that is full of water, but the stream keeps flowing…

  294. foreverblessed says:

    But lately, I read in a biblical devotional:

    “With the overflow wherewith you love Jesus you love your fellow man.

    What on earth am I reading here?”, I thought

    The scripture reference that was given with that statement was:
    John 21:15-19

  295. foreverblessed says:

    After praying over this bible passage, where Jesus asks Peter:

    Do you truly love Me, more than these?

    He answered, Yes Lord, You know that I love hou

    Jesus said: “Take care of my sheep.”

    Indeed, after much meditation with prayer:

    The overflow of my love for Jesus goes to my fellow man!

    It is true!

    But Peter had walked with Jesuse 3,5 years, het had felt the great love of Jesus, His great forgiveness, their had been a pre-life in Jesus, before Jesus asked him this question.

    So indeed, different insights on different levels!

  296. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus asks Peter:

    Do you truly love Me, more than these?

    He answered, Yes Lord, You know that I love hou

    Jesus said: “Take care of my sheep.”

    The implications of this bible passage is just getting me, Jesus loves us all alike!
    That is a truth, also very deep!
    Very very deep truth, nothing I can do to make Him love me more….

    But in order to be part of the Bride of Christ,
    Jesus wants to hear my answer:

    “Do you love Me more than these?”

  297. bratimus says:

    poohpity,

    One step at a time, my timing, baby steps. Working on the Spirit in Others, Will get to the Resurrected,jumping ahead some might trip and fall. Then we have to stop and help them up and dust them off. Sit back relax God has willed us all the time we need, even in the sorrowful times we can find the joy with in. It’s about finding the Joy through all the sorrow.

    Through faith we find Joyful

    The Brat

  298. Beloved says:

    Redeeming the Time
    I reread Forevers post about her pastors funeral and Christopher’s about God giving us all the time we need. So encouraging this morning and coincides with my devotional.

    Spurgeon
    And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

    Genesis 1:5
    Was it so even in the beginning? Did light and darkness divide the realm of time in the first day? Then it should be no surprise if I have also changes in my circumstances from the sunshine of prosperity to the midnight of adversity. It will not always be the sunshine of noonday, even in my soul; I must expect at times to mourn the absence of my former joys and seek my Beloved in the night. I am not alone in this, for all the Lord’s loved ones have had to sing the mingled song of judgment and mercy, of trial and deliverance, of mourning and delight. It is one of the arrangements of divine providence that day and night will not cease either in the spiritual or natural creation until we reach the land of which it is written, “there will be no night there.” What our heavenly Father ordains is wise and good. Revelation 21:25

    What, then, my soul, is it best for you to do? Learn first to be content with this divine order and be willing, with Job, to receive evil from the hand of the Lord as well as good. Then work at beginning and ending your days with joy. Praise the Lord for the sun of joy when it rises and for the gloom of evening as it falls. There is beauty in both sunrise and sunset; sing of it, and glorify the Lord. Like the nightingale, sound your notes at all hours. Believe that the night is as useful as the day. The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously against the darkness of grief. Continue your service under all circumstances. If in the day your watchword is work, at night exchange it for watch. Every hour has its duty; so continue in your calling as the Lord’s servant until He shall suddenly appear in His glory.

    My soul, your evening of old age and death is drawing near; do not dread it, for it is part of the day, and the Lord has said in essence, “I will cover him all the day long”.

  299. bratimus says:

    Let US become Childlike through Christ, don’t be childish for God will not spare the rod from the spoiled rotten children and I don’t/won’t know the out come of that or them.

    Childish behavior makes stumbling blocks for God’s children, and God doesn’t want His children falling.

    The Brat

  300. poohpity says:

    Yes brat, it does take time. Some are meant to plant the seed and some water it but it is God alone that makes it grow. Good thought to start this day. Thank you. It is only childish behavior that wants to rush the process. ;-)

  301. poohpity says:

    Today’s ODB is good about letting go of the past with it’s guilt and shame while moving forward towards what lies ahead within our new life in Christ.

  302. Beloved says:

    Speaking of getting rid of stuff….thinking that fear, anger, mistrust and resentments are tools the devil uses to keep us from the peace that Christ freely gives to His children.

  303. Beloved says:

    In the middle of an unfolding drama, the Son says, “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me.” John 5:30

    Satan was judged justly when kicked out of heaven. Jesus judged him from the cross, yet he still tries to lie to us all the time.

  304. jeff1 says:

    Life is easy, when you’re up on the mountain
    And you’ve got peace of mind, like you’ve never known
    But things change, when you’re down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for you’re never alone
    For the God on the mountain, is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day is still God in the night
    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    Talk comes so easy when life’s at its best
    Now down in the valleys, of trials and temptations
    That’s where your faith, is really put to the test
    For the God on the mountain is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  305. bratimus says:

    Yes pooh, sometimes the worker needs to pull out some thistles so it doesn’t choke out the wheat Mathew 13: 24-30

    So relax while a few thistles are pull.

    The Brat

  306. street says:

    29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

    God has no problem sanctifying His Children. granted, the discipline and difficulty are for our good and God’s Glory.

    there are warnings about the work of obeying the law vs. judging the law, dangerous place to be. the work is to believe, there by entering rest. God even goes so far as declaring a believer righteous after the pattern of abraham, who believed God. when God told man to build and alter, man was not aloud to add to it. using shaped stone or even elevating it. God gave very simple clear instructions to us and we fail. for instance don’t go out on saturday and get manna. people did. don’t work on the sabbath, people did. should we not play even closer attention to Jesus the Son Of God?

  307. bratimus says:

    Your right street, but how do you know its not harvest time.

    Do you know the reason of the parables?

    Around the world corps are harvested daily this field that field.

    you didn’t relax, baby steps.

    The Brat

  308. street says:

    The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

    angels messengers, Jesus the sower.

    John 17:20
    [ Jesus Prays for All Believers ] “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

    5 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

  309. bratimus says:

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

    The body of Christ is a great place to gather, through the Holy Spirit is how we are gathered.

    The Brat

  310. Beloved says:

    I was reading this earlier:

    Matthew Henry’s commentary

    (Read Matthew 13:24-30,)
    This parable represents the present and future state of the gospel church; Christ’s care of it, the devil’s enmity against it, the mixture there is in it of good and bad in this world, and the separation between them in the other world. So prone is fallen man to sin, that if the enemy sow the tares, he may go his way, they will spring up, and do hurt; whereas, when good seed is sown, it must be tended, watered, and fenced. The servants complained to their master; Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? No doubt he did; whatever is amiss in the church, we are sure it is not from Christ. Though gross transgressors, and such as openly oppose the gospel, ought to be separated from the society of the faithful, yet no human skill can make an exact separation. Those who oppose must not be cut off, but instructed, and that with meekness. And though good and bad are together in this world, yet at the great day they shall be parted; then the righteous and the wicked shall be plainly known; here sometimes it is hard to distinguish between them. Let us, knowing the terrors of the Lord, not do iniquity. At death, believers shall shine forth to themselves; at the great day they shall shine forth before all the world. They shall shine by reflection, with light borrowed from the Fountain of light. Their sanctification will be made perfect, and their justification published. May we be found of that happy number.

  311. bratimus says:

    This is something that always bothered me at church and in Bible studies groups. WE would be talking about a verse or passage from one book of the Bible and someone would bring up another verse from another book of the Bible to start a argument of sort or try to prove themselves right. It’s not that I’m right it’s Christ who will make me right through the Holy Spirit.

    I was working in/with Mathew 13 the end of the age is Mathew 24.

    the evil one used the words of God on Jesus Christ in the desert. the evil one might know the words of God, but doesn’t understand them, the evil one might even try to use God’s wheat’s to try find out the meaning and when things are to be. Basically the evil one is clueless on when things are to be.

    Relaxing is the first step into the understanding of things.

    A lot of you have jump the start because you think it is a race. I’m just walking in faith I’m not in the race.

    All in God’s timing. If need We can discuss every Book Of the New testament and some of the old.

    The Brat

  312. street says:

    Relaxing is the first step into the understanding of things.

    Romans 10:17
    So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

    rest

    thinking of a gym….it is not a quiet place, very noisy place. a place of exercising and testing. even gyms have rules. two adams can be found in the gym. two different kinds of trainers. make sure of their credentials. one is dead the other alive.

  313. bratimus says:

    I probably won’t be post anymore I’m not into street fighting that is for the heathens.

    So peace be with you or peace he will take from you.

    Don’t not lead any little one astray, look it up you seem to do that a lot

    last call

    The Brat

  314. poohpity says:

    It takes 2 at least to argue both feeling they are right when in reality it is God sending His angels to separate the wheat from the chaff or weeds. The only One who knows the very heart of a person to be able to do that is after all God alone. Many people try to do what only God can do, so reading the whole parables within the context of what it was teaching is always best.

    Then it is best to use scripture to interpret scripture. So no one has to take their cookies and run away. We are all in the process of learning, right? And adults can discuss things by listening and discussing only when one becomes pride filled do they take offense when someone disagrees with them.

    In either case it is God who does the separating because we do not have that kind of abilities like all-knowing (omniscience) that is a trait of God ONLY not human’s, so better left in His hands seems to be the overall lesson Jesus was teaching.

  315. Beloved says:

    Psalm 27 The Message (MSG)
    A David Psalm
    27 Light, space, zest—
    that’s God!
    So, with him on my side I’m fearless,
    afraid of no one and nothing.

    2 When vandal hordes ride down
    ready to eat me alive,
    Those bullies and toughs
    fall flat on their faces.

    3 When besieged,
    I’m calm as a baby.
    When all hell breaks loose,
    I’m collected and cool.

    4 I’m asking God for one thing,
    only one thing:
    To live with him in his house
    my whole life long.
    I’ll contemplate his beauty;
    I’ll study at his feet.

    5 That’s the only quiet, secure place
    in a noisy world,
    The perfect getaway,
    far from the buzz of traffic.

    6 God holds me head and shoulders
    above all who try to pull me down.
    I’m headed for his place to offer anthems
    that will raise the roof!
    Already I’m singing God-songs;
    I’m making music to God.

    7-9 Listen, God, I’m calling at the top of my lungs:
    “Be good to me! Answer me!”
    When my heart whispered, “Seek God,”
    my whole being replied,
    “I’m seeking him!”
    Don’t hide from me now!

    9-10 You’ve always been right there for me;
    don’t turn your back on me now.
    Don’t throw me out, don’t abandon me;
    you’ve always kept the door open.
    My father and mother walked out and left me,
    but God took me in.

    11-12 Point me down your highway, God;
    direct me along a well-lighted street;
    show my enemies whose side you’re on.
    Don’t throw me to the dogs,
    those liars who are out to get me,
    filling the air with their threats.

    13-14 I’m sure now I’ll see God’s goodness
    in the exuberant earth.
    Stay with God!
    Take heart. Don’t quit.
    I’ll say it again:
    Stay with God!

  316. street says:

    1
    Answer me when I call to you,
    O God who declares me innocent.
    Free me from my troubles.
    Have mercy on me and hear my prayer.

    2
    How long will you people ruin my reputation?
    How long will you make groundless accusations?
    How long will you continue your lies? Interlude
    3
    You can be sure of this:
    The Lord set apart the godly for himself.
    The Lord will answer when I call to him.

    4
    Don’t sin by letting anger control you.
    Think about it overnight and remain silent. Interlude
    5
    Offer sacrifices in the right spirit,
    and trust the Lord.

    6
    Many people say, “Who will show us better times?”
    Let your face smile on us, Lord.
    7
    You have given me greater joy
    than those who have abundant harvests of grain and new wine.
    8
    In peace I will lie down and sleep,
    for you alone, O Lord, will keep me safe.

  317. street says:

    For David, prosperity and peace is found in knowing the Lord, not in a great reputation (6–8). His safety lies with the Lord, not with self-defense. Rest well. scripture union 6/2/19

  318. bratimus says:

    3 John 1:9-12

  319. street says:

    29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

  320. bubbles says:

    Tiday’s sermon was a blessing as was last werk’s The Word if God is powerful.

  321. bubbles says:

    Tiday’s sermon was a blessing as was last werk’s The Word of God is powerful.

  322. street says:

    this week the church i attend will be preparing for vacation Bible school as many other churches throughout the world over the summer. pray for the attenders and participants on growing in their knowledge and understanding of The Truth, Jesus.

  323. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Street, I pray with you!

    Jesus, the Living Word, must make the written word Alive.

    And God said: Let there be Light

    In Him ( the Word) was life, and that life was the Light of men

    Gen 1:3, John 1:4

    Oh, these words did not have real meaning for me, although I was a Christian, believed in God, and Jesus my Saviour! And the Holy Spirit.

    But God is good, He waits till the time is right to reveal the deeper meaning.

    May these people and many more to be motivated to go to the summer Bible school, may God open their minds and hearts, May God let His light shine on them,

    Numbers 6:24-26

  324. jeff1 says:

    I watch the sunrise

    I watch the sunrise lighting the sky,
    Casting its shadows near.
    And on this morning bright though it be,
    I feel those shadows near me.

    But you are always close to me
    Following all my ways.
    May I be always close to you
    Following all your ways, Lord.

    I watch the sunlight shine through the clouds,
    Warming the earth below.
    And at the mid-day, life seems to say:
    I feel your brightness near me.
    For you are always . . .

    I watch the sunset fading away,
    Lighting the clouds with sleep.
    And as the evening closes its eyes,
    I feel your presence near me.
    For you are always . . .

    I watch the moonlight guarding the night,
    Waiting till morning comes.
    The air is silent, earth is at rest
    Only your peace is near me.
    Yes, you are always…

  325. Beloved says:

    Something to think about:

    If your god never disagrees with you, you might just be worshipping an idealized version of yourself. – Timothy Keller

  326. jeff1 says:

    I am afraid it is I who often disagrees with God and that is down to me as just like I didn’t listen to my dad because I thought I knew better I argue with God as to whether He knows better.

    Arrogance is a very ugly trait as I don’t like it when it raises its ugly head in me nor do I like it when it raises its ugly head in others.

    The most Godly people I have met in my lifetime where void of it.

    Jesus dealt with people without making them feel belittled as He didn’t talk down to them even though He had every right to whereas I have no right to and yet how often I have been arrogant towards others because I felt I knew better than them or they where getting on my wick i.e. unbelievably annoying.

    Without Jesus I can do nothing and that is not an overstatement as I need to be thinking of Him before I put my mouth into gear otherwise the words coming out of it may be unnecessary vile to wards another when it is I who is claiming to know God and the person receiving is thinking ‘Do You Really’.

    Honesty with myself is much more revealing as to why I am distant from God since it is I who distances myself from Him.

    Draw near to God and He will draw near to You means exactly what it says to be taken literally.

  327. foreverblessed says:

    “Draw near to God and He will draw near to You means exactly what it says to be taken literally.”

    So true!
    Draw in the inner stillness, the solitude, just with God and me, the inner sanctuary, and come close to Jesus, who is God..

    I read a devotional, as you know, God calling, by twolisteners
    And Utmost by Oswald Chambers, I find them to be similar, as to the tone of Oswald is often as a rebuke, the tone of God calling is very luring, as if Jesus is drawing with a sweet voice to come closer to Him.
    Not only to hear wonderful words but also for being near and not hearing anything, but just the closeness is refreshing our soul, our bodies, “healing flows”

    The songs you give Jeff, are so good to meditate on.

  328. foreverblessed says:

    Trump has landed in Great Britain, and will talk with the queen in Buckingham Palace within two hours.
    I am praying for this whole situation, for Britain, for the people, for the politicians, to remain solid, and trustworthy.

    And all the while keeping my eyes on Jesus, He knows what He is doing, He remains calm, And so I want to be calm in Him.

    Lately we have been reading in Revelation as I have written here before, in the big church of our city.
    i have a sort of a childhood fear arisen in me, when as a 6 year old, there were sermons preahced about the prophecies in Revelation, and I got sacred, a fear that entered, but that thanks to God, that is being conquered in Jesus’ name,
    Now I am reading in Revelation, but everytime in connection to a Psalm:

    April 30 Psalm 111 — Revelation 1:12-20
    May 7 Psalm 33:1-11 — Revelation 5:6-14
    May 14 Psalm 100 — Revelation 7:9-17
    May 21 Psalm 145:1-12 — Revelation 19:1-9
    May 28 Psalm 67– Revelation 21:10-12,22-27
    June 4 Psalm 31:1-9 — Revelation 22:12-21

  329. jeff1 says:

    I cannot tell why He, the King of Heaven,
    Should leave the peace of all eternity,
    Why God Himself should lay aside His splendor
    To leave the Father’s side and come to me.
    But this I know: our silence filled with singing,
    And all our darkness fled from heaven’s light
    When Christ the Lord, so human, yet so holy,
    In love was born a child for me that holy night!

    I cannot tell why He, the Joy of Heaven,
    Should give Himself to suffer for my sin,
    Why Holy God should love me in my shamefulness,
    Why He should die to draw my soul to Him.
    But this I know: that Christ the Lord is risen,
    And praise His name, He’s risen now in me!
    Because He lives, I’ll rise to life eternal!
    He took my guilty heart, and I’m forever free!

    I cannot tell when He will rule the nations,
    How He will claim His loved ones as His own;
    And who can tell the holy jubilation
    When all His children gather ’round His throne.
    But this I know: all flesh will see His glory,
    And skies will burst as all creation sings.
    The Son will rise on one eternal morning
    When Christ, the Savior of the world, is Lord and King!

  330. poohpity says:

    forever, I watched this morning as our President inspected the Royal Guard which was presented to him and the Queen. Our last President had no respect for the crown or the UK but in fact tried to throw his weight around by threatened them with stopping some trade agreements if they voted in Brexit, the will of the people. This current President has followed through on his promises unlike those politicians who came before him, I guess it is because he was never a politician but a businessman. They all went back into Buckingham Palace for lunch with the families and a select few. I so enjoy watching all the pomp and circumstance. Our current President’s relatives came from Scotland on his mothers side and her family were all born in Europe. In June of 2016 before becoming President had just finished refurbishing a golf course in Scotland.

  331. bratimus says:

    Seriously, I have no idea what Trump is doing on his world tour, most likely wasting tax payers money’s, he isn’t dead yet so it isn’t his. Give unto caesar what is caeasr’s,and the U.S. dollars have dead people on them.

    There might be a slight problem for Trump being off U.S. soil as The Holy Spirit goes through and baptize and cleans everything in the Spirit. The land might reject Him and make him ill and reject him, he might have to be President from the USS John McCain out at sea.

    I know a little off topic, but there is something like this in the Bible find it look it up read the Bible.

    The Brat

  332. bratimus says:

    As I walk my path with Jesus Christ, when I walk I pray and I talk to not at God. I actually ask God how He is doing and if there is anything He needs. Through Christ and the Holy Spirit, I’m practicing the presence of God.

    In the age we are living the book of James through to Revelation chapter 4 is good reading. I don’t go past chapter 4 in Revelations.

    The Brat

  333. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I too am trying to stay calm and focusing on Jesus though sometimes my head is all over the place when it comes to understanding the politics and what it all means.

    May we know God’s presence especially those in power with difficult decisions to make and since the British people are struggling to trust their politicians I think the Queen has a significant part in stabilising the land.

    As a monarch she has been faithful and loyal to God and her subjects and I have heard praise for her from those who are not Royalists but speak of her worthiness as a Queen.

  334. Beloved says:

    Just curious brat- why don’t you read past Revelation 4?

  335. Beloved says:

    Viv when I try to figure out anything in this world my head is all over the place also. I don’t try to figure out political antics- I just know the god of this world is in the details so pray as the Bible teaches for leaders that they will rule or govern so we Christians can live peacefully in the land where we are strangers, really. God is sovereign over Kings Queens and presidents. Bless His holy name.

  336. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I have learned from following politics in my youth that it is a murky world and best left in God’s hands.

    It is a blessing to have peace in an uncertain world and that is up to God and why we rejoice and worship Him because He is worthy.

    Peace and love in a strange world who can ask for more.

  337. bratimus says:

    It’s not that I haven’t read passed it Revelations 4, just right now James to the 4 chapter of Revelation is good for the times we live in. Not to take away from the rest of the New Testament and the 4 Gospel which are most important. Revelation 5 through 22 is all in God’s time, don’t think it is time yet.

    As WE walk the path with Christ back to God, little ones stumble, some get tired and some get tempted to take another route, so WE have to back track and catching them, picking them up to be carried, or nudge the back on the path.

    The Brat

  338. Beloved says:

    Oh I see now, thanks brat, it’s so easy to misunderstand, for me anyway, without hearing vocal inflections. Peace

  339. poohpity says:

    The Brat, you probably did not realize that this week and the President’s visits are in memory of the 75th anniversary of D-Day. Also the reason that McCain ship was not being pictured was because it is under construction and the construction has not been finished since 2017 not being fit to be displayed, it was not Pres Trump who decided that it was the Navy and Air force that made the decision.

  340. poohpity says:

    That is why we are taught not to judge because often we do not have all the facts. I am proud Pres Trump went to make the remembrance of those who lost their lives during that war along with our allies of the UK and France which if you look at his scheduled activities are for that reason and I would imagine that while there they may take care of some business involving our allies. Jumping to conclusions is often detrimental to our opinions of others and does not bring the best light to ourselves either for doing it.

  341. bratimus says:

    There is a McCain ship, named after John McCain’s grandfather and father they were admirals in the Navy they just add the senator out of respect. Presidents and Admirals get ships named after them. Battleship were named after states they don’t battle ship anymore. The USS John McCain been in service for year so I read off the internet which could be lying to me.

    The Brat

  342. poohpity says:

    I think the ship is a destroyer that is docked in Japan at the Naval base named the USS John S McCain. That is in need of repairs. It collided with a merchant ship in June 2017 check it out killing 10 sailors.

  343. foreverblessed says:

    Revelation 1:12-18
    I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[a] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

    17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

  344. foreverblessed says:

    Such a wonderful message!

    Revelation, only the first four chapters, there is a thought Bratimus!

    When we, overhere, started the reading of Revelation it was Rev 1:12-20

    And when I read it, I was struck by the message. Just as if I was reading it anew!

    (When I wanted to look up the passage in biblegateway, this scripture appreared:)

    Yours, Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, Lord, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all.

    1 Chron 29:11

    Whatever happens in the world, whatever may shake me, I can go back to the Maker of it all, the Word through Whom everything that is exists, the King of Kings,
    But then the message:
    He was dead, but now Alive for ever and ever!
    He holds the keys of death and Hades

    Oh, what a wonderful vision

    Do not be afraid, whatever happens in this world, whatever goes on in your own mind:
    He IS here

  345. jeff1 says:

    bratimus says:
    June 1, 2019 at 8:19 am
    poohpity,

    One step at a time, my timing, baby steps. Working on the Spirit in Others, Will get to the Resurrected,jumping ahead some might trip and fall. Then we have to stop and help them up and dust them off. Sit back relax God has willed us all the time we need, even in the sorrowful times we can find the joy with in. It’s about finding the Joy through all the sorrow.

    I like what you are saying here as I often feel panic stricken and wondering if God is showing me something that I keep missing.

    In my mind I rush ahead overthinking what is God teaching me and missing the joy of walking with Him.

    Staying calm in Him is not a practise I have understood but I have seen it in my dad who could remain calm in whatever circumstances and how he did that was to draw near to God and God drew near to him.

    He practised that all his life while it was my practise to run from God and I seem to have been running ever since.

    The mind was my dad’s strength such stability of mind I have long wondered how he did it but he knew how to open up his mind to God while I have much more tendency to open my heart.

    Different insights, different levels, same Spirit, same Jesus.

    “Open The Eyes Of My Heart”

    Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
    Open the eyes of my heart
    I want to see You
    I want to see You

    Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
    Open the eyes of my heart
    I want to see You
    I want to see You

    To see You high and lifted up
    Shinin’ in the light of Your glory
    Pour out Your power and love
    As we sing holy, holy, holy

    Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
    Open the eyes of my heart
    I want to see You
    I want to see You

    Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
    Open the eyes of my heart
    I want to see You
    I want to see You

    To see You high and lifted up
    Shinin’ in the light of Your glory
    Pour out Your power and love
    As we sing holy, holy, holy

    [Repeat two more times]

    Holy, holy, holy
    We cry holy, holy, holy
    You are holy, holy, holy
    I want to see you

    Holy, holy, holy
    Holy, holy, holy
    You are holy, holy, holy
    I want to see you

    Holy, holy, holy
    Holy, holy, holy
    Holy, holy, holy,
    I want to see you

    [Repeat five more times

  346. Mart DeHaan says:

    Yes, Please, Lord!

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