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Words and Statistics

Over the years we’ve seen together that words, like statistics, can be used to say or hide just about anything we want to say or hide.

We’ve also seen what happens when words and thoughts, whether ours or God’s, are used to express the wonder of shared cares and smiles.

I say this with renewed awareness that the words of Jesus can be read as though spoken by a demon. His enemies thought so. And to this day many of us who want to be considered friends unwittingly quote him in ways that sound to our neighbors as though his enemies were right.

Lately, I’ve been trying to read the Story of the Scripture in a way that allows me to get caught up in the action of the people Jesus was rescuing and befriending— rather than getting tripped up and stuck on words that don’t seem to fit what he says he came to do.

By this I don’t mean to infer that when it comes to Jesus we should watch what he does rather than listening to what he says. I’m wondering whether it makes more sense to listen to what he says while watching what he was doing— and did— to turn tears into laughter and enemies into friends—and then see if we can find an honest-to-God way of hearing a heart of love that when not heard makes him sound like a devil.


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  1. bratimus says:

    I’m not getting where Mart is going with this, he usually post a verse for or so for more context, is that really you Mart lol little joke.

    1 Corinthians 13:1

    So would the opposite of this verse be true, these so called neighbors if they don’t have Love, would they maybe hear something demonic or devilish from there own hearts in what.

    I don’t talk much with people or neighbors, when I do it’s have a good day and a few passing words nothing from scripture. I talk to my family mostly and if my neighbors over hear that it isn’t meant for them, and this is why we should never EVEs drop.

    My walking in faith is to praise and worship God through Christ and the Holy Spirit and that is basically it.

    The Brat

  2. poohpity says:

    bratimus maybe Mart wanted, as you often say, to look up the verses for yourself. ;-)

    There were many times in the life of Jesus that He was accused of being sent by demons by those who did not have a heart that was searching for God. More often than not they were the very one’s who wanted the praise and glory of their fellow man by accusing Jesus of what He was saying and doing was a result of being lead by Satan but Jesus often replied if one knows the Father then they will know me. John 10:37-38 NLT or John 8:12-59

  3. poohpity says:

    Those also often fell for the lies and worldly teaching rather than what came down from above through the words and actions of Jesus. John 8:42-47 NLT

  4. poohpity says:

    I think those lessons that Jesus taught are so applicable to today’s time as well, so many fall for the propaganda of the press and media that is meant to influence how people think rather than being a source of facts that informs to get people to think for themselves.

  5. jeff1 says:

    Faith, hope and love are united as eternal gifts love being the greatest.

    “Where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away” (1 Corinthians 13:8).

    They are stepping stones to knowing God as He wants us to know Him and trust Him and why He gives us these gifts as they are part of the process of loving Him as it is in loving Him that we grow to fulfilment in ‘Christ Jesus’.

    Christ the Father’s Word is spoken.
    Know the great Creator’s heart!
    See His wonders, taste His graces:
    Life and light and holy art,

    Refrain
    Love beyond what words can tell –
    God made flesh, Immanuel!

    Christ the warrior, mighty victor,
    Comes to crush the serpent’s head;
    Christ the rainbow, Christ the promise,
    Christ the true, eternal bread,

    Christ the Son so long awaited,
    Blessed seed of Abraham,
    Christ the wealth of wisdom’s treasure,
    Christ the priest and Christ the lamb,

    Hear His voice, and see His glory,
    Trust His strong and holy hand.
    God Himself now tents among us
    As we near the promised land.

  6. Beloved says:

    Yes words often have a way of tripping up, confusing, even deceiving– even words of scripture if not seen and applied out of the whole Word and not just bits and pieces that fit our own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6 But we have the Holy Spirit in these days to lead us into Truth (Jesus). Only Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; 2000 years ago and faithful still to this very day. Like Father, like Son He remains Holy, just and merciful. Gods mercy is great toward those that love Him.

    “Lately, I’ve been trying to read the Story of the Scripture in a way that allows me to get caught up in the action of the people Jesus was rescuing and befriending— rather than getting tripped up and stuck on words that don’t seem to fit what he says he came to do.”

    LORD, teach and change me to let You have more complete control of my thoughts, words and actions as I acknowledge You as friend and rescuer. Bless His holy name, Jesus.

  7. Beloved says:

    When He cometh, when He cometh,
    To make up His jewels,
    All His jewels, precious jewels,
    His loved and His own.
    Refrain:
    Like the stars of the morning,
    His bright crown adorning,
    They shall shine in their beauty,
    Bright gems for His crown.
    He will gather, He will gather
    The gems for His kingdom,
    All the pure ones, all the bright ones,
    His loved and His own.
    Little children, little children,
    Who love their Redeemer,
    Are the jewels, precious jewels,
    His loved and His own.

    Jesus said unless we become like little children we will not enter the kingdom of God. “Listening to what Jesus said and did”- letting a child come to Him despite the disciples wishes- reveals a Love that surpasses human knowledge. While praying for children everywhere and Bible school summer classes this song came to mind as the very first song that held any significant meaning for me as a child growing up among people who didn’t even have human love much less Gods love to share. Thank you Jesus!

  8. Beloved says:

    Thinking for myself always gets me into trouble. Be renewed in your thinking, Romans 12:2 thinking like Jesus, leaning not on my own understanding.

  9. SFDBWV says:

    Belief and then an almost command to believe is a strange bed fellow. To an innocent heart to believe is simple, you just believe.

    The devil in the process is when your belief is shaken by silence, denial, or that feeling of abandonment.

    Has the words of Jesus given us false expectations or is unanswered prayer a test of *faith*?

    As I understand things, the miracles Jesus did were to show His authority to the people who witnessed them, we are to believe them to have occurred as written by our faith in the written word as well as that reassurance burned into our hearts by the Holy Spirit.

    We end up believing, because we want to and in some cases because we desperately need to. It being our only hope.

    But what happens when a person, who is immature in their walk with God, sees no improvement in their particular situation needing rescued by the One they believed able to do so?

    The testing of their faith becoming an extension of their torment and misery.

    Would a loving God continue to allow you to suffer without rescue or encouragement? To some, such action seems more evil than loving.

    I apologize to have to stop here, but this has taken me all day to get written. I like all of you and especially Mart have other things going on in our lives that take priority.

    I have much more to say but am way out of time.

    Steve

  10. street says:

    thinking about the miracles performed by Jesus and the intent He had in them. thinking they were for His audience. a people hearing yet not understanding seeing and not precieving. a culture so off base that it had to start all over again with baptism of john. a do over. really a prep for the main event. Jesus said in the parable if they do not believe the law and the prophets a resurrection would be pointless or nonsense to them. thinking of the plan and power of God to finish what He started. made me think of His knowing everything? how do you have a conversation with some one who knows everything. might be a time to listen. thinking further….A God Who upholds His Name and loves mankind. sometimes people hope others fail, God should never be one of those times. from a world perspective it may look like Jesus failed, but from a Scriptural view sitting on God’s Thrown in Heaven dosen’t look like a fail.

  11. street says:

    thinking of the woman caught in adultery. how Jesus spoke life into her, slated for death. how hands filled with stones lost their appeal. the law of moses ignored????? not ignored, substitution. called to live, abundantly!

  12. street says:

    Ezekiel 36

    if israel was this bad? how bad were the gentiles?

    Genesis 18:18
    Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.

    Romans 11:32
    For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

    how did we receive mercy?

  13. jeff1 says:

    Holy Highway

    There’s a road called the holy highway that once was a desert land
    Very soon you’ll hear the sound of a holy marching band
    Everlasting joy upon them, there’s a remnant strong and true
    We bring the song back to Zion; we bring the praise back to you

    We exalt You, God Almighty, You are worthy to be praised
    Let all nations bow before You, Holy Ancient of all days

    There’s a road called the holy highway, where the people dance and shout
    For the enemy is running with confusion all about
    Raise our banners in the victory; raise them high His word is true
    We bring our song back to Zion, we bring the praise back to you

    We exalt You, God Almighty, You are worthy to be praised
    Let all nations bow before You, Holy Ancient of all days

    Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty
    Holy, holy holy is the Lord
    Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah

    There’s a road called the holy highway that once was a desert land
    Very soon you’ll hear the sound of a holy marching band and
    Everlasting joy upon them, there’s a remnant strong and true
    We bring the song back to Zion; we bring the praise back to you
    We bring the praise back to you

  14. Mart DeHaan says:

    Bratimus, yep. It’s me. :-) And, yeh, I did leave out specific references on purpose in this post. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about so many of the “words” and “texts” that–when used alone, by themselves, or with our own assumptions to prove a point– leave behind the story that explains what kind of love, consuming fire, righteousness, holiness, unity, division, peace, persecution, justification etc. that the story of Jesus personifies.

  15. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    June 4, 2019 at 11:05 pm

    A God Who upholds His Name and loves mankind. sometimes people hope others fail, God should never be one of those times. from a world perspective it may look like Jesus failed, but from a Scriptural view sitting on God’s Thrown in Heaven dosen’t look like a fail.

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    (Hmm)
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep

    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    And my love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side
    (Yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  16. SFDBWV says:

    Today we have an extremely misused tool at our disposal, tweets, twitter, face book, and the like. Whereas people just say about anything, throwing words out there like dust in the wind, not really careful and not knowing where it might land and its effect.

    As Mart has, in my opinion, correctly stated people who consider themselves to be a friend misquote and misuse the words of Jesus and for that matter all of Scripture in ways that sound more like a weapon than a hug.

    Why? To perhaps sound more “holy” or to validate a belief they want you to accept as they have.

    Not giving you the freedom to learn or to listen to the Holy Spirit, their shouting meant to drown out that still small voice in your heart.

    When we read the words of Jesus, what do they say to us individually?

    If we feel condemned by them, then there is some sin in our lives that needs be attended to, admitted to, confessed and brought to God for forgiveness.

    That doesn’t make Jesus sound like a demon, but rather a loving friend who alerts us to such a need.

    Then there we are again, if we try and tell a friend of their sin in such a way as to try and help them we too are either going to be received as being a friend or a demon by the person we are speaking to.

    It would appear that the message and the messenger is going to be labeled by the receiver, no matter the intent or the message.

    Yesterday it was 36 degrees at this time of the morning, today it’s a little better at 48. Cooler than normal but refreshing none the less.

    Steve

  17. bratimus says:

    What is on my mind and what I was reading is

    Acts 5

    I’m pretty sure might be mistaken (after all I’m only the most perfect NON-perfect human there is.) That I eventually post the scripture of things I’ve talking about, could be mistaken after all. Christ through the Holy Spirit is the refining process, so we can be in the full presence of the Glory of God, surely we would die without being refined or is it redefined.

    The Brat

  18. jeff1 says:

    I would agree that others will try to draw you to their beliefs and spent my youth listening to others but in time found that people are not what they seem.

    In fact, in my humanness, I find that God is the only one who is who He says as I/others are variable but God is not which speaks of God’s faithfulness.

    I learned a lesson through my dad who had the wisdom to not try to change God but instead allowed God to change him which showed whom my dad was listening to. He was not wrong in knowing that the Bible was for his encouragement/rebuke because as you say Steve it is the Holy Spirit dwelling in you bringing God’s word alive in you as an individual.

    There is discipline in listening to God above all others as the noise of the world and others who think they know better can distract me and so I have to focus on Him alone.

    God wants me to listen to Him because it is He who knows my needs, not I, or another, and it is when I fail to see that I get doubt, confusion and waywardness which is not where God wants me to be in my walk as it steals my joy not just in feeling His presence but in seeing His power and majesty, robbing me of Heaven, and contrary to God’s intention.

    Walk A Mile In My Shoes

    If I could be you and you could be me for just one hour
    If we could find a way to get inside each other’s minds
    If you could see you, through my eyes, instead of your ego
    I believe you’d be, surprised to see, that you’d been blind

    Walk a mile in my shoes
    Walk a mile in my shoes
    And before you abuse
    Criticize and accuse
    Walk a mile in my shoes

    Now the whole world you see around you is just a reflection
    And the law of karma, says you reap, just what you sow
    So unless you’ve, lived a life of total perfection
    You’d better be careful of every stone that you should throw
    And yet we spend the day throwing stones at one another
    ’cause I don’t think or wear my hair the same way you do
    Well I may be common people but I’m your brother

    And when you strike out and try to hurt me it’s a-hurtin you
    There are people on reservations and out in the ghettos
    And brother, there but for the grace of god go you and I
    If I only, had the wings, of a little angel
    Don’t you know I’d fly, to the top of the mountain, and then I’d cry

  19. poohpity says:

    Assuming or assumptions, jumping to conclusions without knowing or facts and accusing or accusations lead some around Jesus to say that He was in a partnership with Satan or demons or Beelzebub. It seems their motivation was because they did not have the things of God in mind but their own place among the people, they were not pointing people to God but to themselves and how godly they thought they were and Jesus let them know that was far from the truth since they did not even recognize that He came from God by His teaching or the miracles He did.

    Since Jesus knew what was in their hearts He knew everything they said and did was an outward show, an act, to deceive in order to control. Jesus knew that their own sense of self righteousness and piety was in fact the very thing that they accused Jesus of being and doing, lead by their father the devil. They pointed their fingers at those around them to shame, condemn and criticize so that they could elevate themselves above other people but all it did was show how far from God they actually were.

    On the other hand Jesus set aside His glory to get in among those who needed a Savior and shared their burdens. He got his clothes and hands dirty to be among sinners not to accuse or condemn but to show the love God had for ALL people to bring them into a relationship with Him. While the self righteous and pious taught that to get to God they had to go through them and their teaching, traditions, clean hands, noble attire and positions in the community, they after all thought they were all that and could look down on everyone else.

  20. street says:

    I’ve been thinking a lot lately about so many of the “words” and “texts” that–when used alone, by themselves, or with our own assumptions to prove a point– leave behind the story that explains what kind of love, consuming fire, righteousness, holiness, unity, division, peace, persecution, justification etc. that the story of Jesus personifies.

    the God Who sees me! never to be alone. sin separates and kills, like words from a tongue. Jesus came to give life, true life. to restore that which was lost, completely lost. a love lost, a love found in Christ.

    remember there is no agreement between light and darkness. Jesus the light of the world. to be conformed to His Image, Immanuel.

  21. poohpity says:

    Viv, great song, “Walk A Mile in My shoes”. So many valuable lessons found in those words. Like what Jesus taught about the one without sin be the first to throw a stone in condemnation of another, no human being will ever have that ability and the One who did have that ability made a choice to forgive, to show mercy and extend grace. He never promised us a life free from problems, sorrows and trials but that He would be with us through them. Instead of complaining about our circumstance we can be grateful that the God of all creation takes notice and pursues us and will be with us through it all even when things do not go as we thought they should there is always something to be grateful for and if it is what Jesus did for us that is enough.

  22. bratimus says:

    Oops *I’ve been talking about

    I’m tired guys haven’t been sleeping well, I cat nap lately at night. So I pray when I wake(my soul to take), mostly my souls and Holy Spirit are doing the praying because my mind and body are tired when I first wake.

    Steve mentioned torment and misery, when the Holy Spirit enters our lives at first it lets our souls rest, what WE forget to do is let are minds and bodies rest along with are soul. In are minds to get it to stop racing with thoughts pray and pray through Christ and the Holy Spirit to the Holy of Holy’s God creator of all things. Let the body relax, running around here and there non-stop is tiring to the body.

    Even in our walk of faith Christ will make our souls rest, I made the mistake of not resting my mind and body.

    If was to be an example so be it, it is God’s will who am I to say no. Not that I was tempted with evil, it is that the flesh is weak and a mind isn’t always strong enough to control the flesh. Christ can clean up my mistakes spiritually, physically and mentally and as a extra bonus all digital and hard copies.

    The Brat

  23. jeff1 says:

    Captives of Eternal Love

    Though passing through this darkened world,
    We’re children of the Light.
    Though pressured and rejected here,
    We’re precious in Your sight.

    Refrain
    We walk below with hearts above,
    The captives of eternal love.
    But by Your Spirit show us how
    To love You fully here and now.

    The fruit of all Your life and love
    Will come to those who reap.
    With joy, my Lord, we gladly sow
    The lives we cannot keep.

    Through pain and sorrow, grief and death
    We more than overcome.
    We fix our eyes on Jesus Christ,
    Your risen, reigning Son!

  24. Beloved says:

    My only thoughts this morning are that Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. And it doesn’t matter what others think of me! Praise the name of Jesus, praise His Holy name.

  25. bratimus says:

    Acts 5:1-11

    If lying to the Holy Spirit is a death sentence(some being unaware that the Holy Spirit was present, might be a forgivable offence.) What would be the punishment if we attacked some with the with the Holy Spirit. Don’t let the evil one game you into that.

    I also know when we see a barer of the Light of Christ, people will see different reflections some might see Christ, some might see themselves looking back at them, some might just see a person, some might see darkness or a monster which is a reflection of their own hearts and some might not see the barer of the Light of Christ at all.

    Some barer’s of the Light of Christ might not know they are shining, God does cover our eyes so all we see is all of God’s Good Creation. So just keep walking in faith, and everything thrown at us be returned to sender, After all We are rubber they are glue bounce off US and stick to you. Went a little childlike there, and I am aware Bible schools and camps are starting so we need to try to keep the words a little toned down so there not so scary. Because all the little Moonster’s do shine, because the sky isn’t falling(anyway I have a hard hat for that.) I did see what looked like a falling star last night or morning, with all the stuff they keep putting in orbit who knows what was falling.

    The Brat

  26. jeff1 says:

    Creator, Father, Sovereign Lord,
    My breath, my joy, my rich reward!
    Your glory be my heart’s desire,
    Your will its all-consuming fire!

    What greater good should I pursue
    Than all I am exalting You?
    O shine, my Lord, for all to see!
    Express Your smiling love through me!

    Through strength or weakness, joy or pain,
    Success or failure, loss or gain,
    Through all I suffer, all I do,
    Lord, show them always, only You!

    My God, I cannot choose my way.
    Just speak, and I with joy obey,
    This one ambition keep in view:
    To simply, humbly walk with You.

  27. poohpity says:

    I looked at the people that Jesus spent time with or went out of His way to meet. The rejected, the isolated and all and all what most would consider the lowest of the low. There were people that hung around because of what they thought He could do for them rather because of who He is but He had compassion on even those. The one’s who experienced His acceptance, fully admired and treasured their time with Him as we should also but sadly some still see Him as a type of Santa Claus and if they do not get what they want they reject Him and push Him away by saying He is not here for them. He shared the parable of the soils to show how different people respond to Him.

  28. jeff1 says:

    Whatever the reasons people turn away from God there is always hope that God finds a way to their heart as He did mine and showed me the error of my ways.

    If he found a way to correct me then I know nothing is impossible for God and it is I who limit Him but knowing that God is mighty should give me peace of mind when considering others who may not have had the blessings I have had in life that have drawn me to His mercy and grace.

    “God Is Good All The Time”

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    If you’re walking through the valley
    And there are shadows all around
    Do not fear, He will guide you

    He will keep you safe and sound
    He has promised to never leave you
    Nor forsake you, and His word is true

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    We were sinners and so unworthy
    Still for us He chose to die
    Filled us with His Holy Spirit

    Now we can stand and testify
    That His love is everlasting
    And His mercies, they will never end

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    Though I may not understand
    All the plans you have for me
    My life is in your hands
    And through the eyes of faith
    I can clearly see

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

  29. poohpity says:

    Amen with praise to His Holy name.

  30. street says:

    leave behind the story that explains what kind of love, consuming fire, righteousness, holiness, unity, division, peace, persecution, justification etc. that the story of Jesus personifies.

    thinking of people speaking. remembering they are not done and under construction. sitting around offering advise and not knowing what it will look like when it’s finished. makes me crack up with lol. i would have to hope, most people try to give their best. remembering some proverbs about speech.

  31. Beloved says:

    Exodus 33:14 New King James Version (NKJV). 14 And He said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.” ..

    Jesus

  32. jeff1 says:

    Reading this morning that the Pope has changed the line of the Lord’s prayer which says ‘Lead us not into temptation’ as he believes the English version has been wrongly interpreted and suggests that God leads us into temptation when it is Satan who leads us into temptation.

    Causing much controversy and showing why focusing on Jesus is what gives us peace as when it comes to religions someone always has an opinion but that doesn’t make it the right one.

  33. bratimus says:

    He is not my Pope, not my religion or sect. I really don’t have a religion, I have the word of God, Christ.

    The Lords prayer was given to US by Christ before His sacrifice, resurrection, ascension to His Glorification which gave US the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can help US pray, WE use the Lords prayer as a Guide. The only thing I would add is at the end “In Chris Jesus name Amen”.

    We are lead it to temptation by are own choices, free will. The line in the prayer is “Lead us not into temptation.” Is not/isn’t that saying lead US away from temptation.

    In my life time I can remember 3 popes something like this verse always came to mind. Revelation 22:8-9

    this morning I was reading a devotional about this verse
    2 Corinthians 9:10

    Then got side track with this Lords prayer business.

    The Brat

  34. poohpity says:

    I think sometimes we hear what we want to hear even if it is wrong but it goes along with things one has always believed and fits into the pattern of how our own hearts really are. The enemies of Jesus or anyone else for that matter can twist things to fit their perspective no matter if that was not how they were intended because one has preconceived notions to begin with or are set in their views from the start, so no matter what the reality is one comes away with the worst in mind.

    The religious leaders from the start of the ministry of Jesus hurled insults at Him, accused Him of blasphemy or working hand in hand with the devil, hated and rejected Him, etc. resulting in the crucifixion. Jesus warned those who follow Him they would have to contend with the very same things.

    Jesus taught in John 15 about that;
    “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. 19 The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you. 20 Do you remember what I told you? ‘A slave is not greater than the master.’ Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you. 21 They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me. 22 They would not be guilty if I had not come and spoken to them. But now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Anyone who hates me also hates my Father. 24 If I hadn’t done such miraculous signs among them that no one else could do, they would not be guilty. But as it is, they have seen everything I did, yet they still hate me and my Father. 25 This fulfills what is written in their Scriptures: ‘They hated me without cause.’

  35. poohpity says:

    BUT we do see in scripture that those who were once His enemies became His friends like Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea both Pharisees and the same thing with Paul after the resurrection. It seems so strange that those who claimed to be doing the God’s work are the very one’s who were His enemies.

    That seems to be also what is happening in our country at this time those who say they are doing the work of the people are the very one’s trying to destroy our Republic and our Constitution by their actions in the Congress. I might add they are also the very one’s who walked around on Ash Wednesday with ash crosses on their foreheads, imagine that.

  36. poohpity says:

    Just Be Held
    Casting Crowns

    Hold it all together
    Everybody needs you strong
    But life hits you out of nowhere
    And barely leaves you holding on

    And when you’re tired of fighting
    Chained by your control
    There’s freedom in surrender
    Lay it down and let it go

    So when you’re on your knees and answers seem so far away
    You’re not alone, stop holding on and just be held
    Your world’s not falling apart, it’s falling into place
    I’m on the throne, stop holding on and just be held
    Just be held, just be held

    If your eyes are on the storm
    You’ll wonder if I love you still
    But if your eyes are on the cross
    You’ll know I always have and I always will

    And not a tear is wasted
    In time, you’ll understand
    I’m painting beauty with the ashes
    Your life is in My hands

    So when you’re on your knees and answers seem so far away
    You’re not alone, stop holding on and just be held
    Your world’s not falling apart, it’s falling into place
    I’m on the throne, stop holding on and just be held
    Just be held, just be held

    Lift your hands, lift your eyes
    In the storm is where you’ll find Me
    And where you are, I’ll hold your heart
    I’ll hold your heart
    Come to Me, find your rest
    In the arms of the God who won’t let go

    So when you’re on your knees and answers seem so far away
    You’re not alone, stop holding on and just be held
    Your world’s not falling apart, it’s falling into place
    I’m on the throne, stop holding on and just be held
    (Stop holding on and just be held)
    Just be held, just be held
    Just be held, just be held

  37. Beloved says:

    Thinking about what Mart said:

    I’m wondering whether it makes more sense to listen to what he says while watching what he was doing— and did— to turn tears into laughter and enemies into friends-

  38. Beloved says:

    Yes, He is THAT alive! Really!

  39. Beloved says:

    and then see if we can find an honest-to-God way of hearing a heart of love

    Hmmm, honest. to. God. Way of hearing? Hearing a heart of LOVE! For God so LOVED the world He gave….

  40. Beloved says:

    that when not heard makes him sound like a devil.

    Heaven forbid..

  41. jeff1 says:

    bratimus says:
    June 6, 2019 at 6:32 am

    We are lead it to temptation by are own choices, free will. The line in the prayer is “Lead us not into temptation.” Is not/isn’t that saying lead US away from temptation.

    It is saying lead us away from temptation so I don’t know why the Pope has done what he did nor do I try to understand all the religions and denominations either but keep my faith simple.

    I have been brought up in a ‘Christ’ focused church so I have been blessed.

    Also the three remaining gifts are faith, hope and love while prophecies, tongues and knowledge will disappear and so God’s plan is very much alive and well from what I am thinking.

  42. poohpity says:

    Today our bible study group is starting a new study into the Gospels. We will learn more of what Jesus said and did and still does by this chronological journey through the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Please pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us in this study. Thank you.

  43. bratimus says:

    I think we broke street he says he is cracking up. I ALWAYS SAY HE YOU WANT TO KNOW GOD, READ HIS WORDS AND CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD SO START WITH THE GOSPELS, SINCE CHRIST IS ARE WAY BACK TO GOD, BECAUSE OF THE DIVIDE MADE BY SIN. (Thundering voice for dramatic effect.) I have always said reading the Bible is the best. Ask Christ through the Holy Spirit to help guide you through the word. To get back to God the Father.

    Some of my comments are conversation with one or two maybe 3 posters at a time. I’m not a preacher so I don’t give sermons on the mount to the masses. I do believe that there are a few more out there that come by and read this page. So I get these feelings and sometimes I write a line or 2 or 3 that some don’t understand. Through faith I have hope that it might reach 1 or 2 or 3 that will understand, that’s the hope. Sometime it is about 1 soul at a time not about a mass event.

    My thoughts or “advice” you can take it or leave it, I’m not forcing anyone. Now Christ might bring a few along kicking and screaming that up to Christ.

    The Brat

  44. Beloved says:

    Before Mart took been Thinking off Facebook he had 6,000 likes if I remember correctly.

  45. bratimus says:

    Street also mentioned the all consuming fire, what about the fire of God that doesn’t consume. When Moses came a cross the burning bush, the bush was not destroyed it was Just on fire. Did Christ set me a blaze in God’s fire that does not consume what is good in creation. I walk in Faith I don’t need to see the signs of the times

    John 21:22-25

    The Brat

  46. Beloved says:

    Praying the seeds planted in summer bible schools will be well watered and grow under Gods protective hand. Praying also the study of the synoptic gospels will yields fresh insights and a closer walk with Jesus.

  47. bratimus says:

    Beloved,

    I also stopped using facebook, I still have an account for every once in a while I check to see what “friends” what they post but not very often. I don’t have much use for face book not a good tool for me to use.

    As far as Bible schools coming, if need WE can get some children to rise up and school the teachers through Christ and the Holy Spirit of course.

    The Brat

  48. poohpity says:

    I just do not facilitate bible studies during the summer but year round we just finished Colossians and Philemon. That is what I love to do study God’s word with other people who are interested in learning as I am and I have been doing it for many years. It is a life long pursuit which there is something new to discover all the time not just for children but for those who have child like faith, no matter their chronological age. That is the same with reading the bible something new to learn each time it is read because God reveals new things as we are ready to receive them. Not a just once and done type of thing.

  49. street says:

    it was not street that mentioned consuming fire it was mart that brought it to my attention. he has used the term frequently enough for me to notice. i have been thinking of the term for awhile now.

    some thoughts on the term. i go to parable of the 4 soils. thinking of the last soil where the word is planted like a seed and grows. the soil is consumed. in the end conformed to the Image of God.

    paul planted appolis water God caused the growth.
    Be Glorified in the works of Your Hands.

  50. Beloved says:

    Be strong and take heart and wait for the LORD. psalm 27

    Any thing we learn about God is pure gift, given to us by our Creator. Paul said he had nothing but what had been given to him by God. Prayer is key while we wait for the LORD. Whether we are given little or much it all comes from Him. Quiet trust, courage and even stillness enhances the souls longing for more of Him. Jesus, my Jesus be blessed.

  51. poohpity says:

    street, how is soil consumed? That whole comment is a very good example of what Mart was talking about in his June 5th 4:16am post.

  52. street says:

    street, how is soil consumed?

    by faith,
    by hope,
    by love.

    Matthew 3:11
    “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

  53. street says:

    24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

  54. bratimus says:

    Genesis 9:1-17

    AS you read this same passage in different versions of the Bible some wording is different in the different version pretty much have the same meaning if you read it right, one big difference is “bow” to “rainbow” The American Standard and English Standard use “bow” I have not gone through every version of the Bible that would take me all day.(making a profit, instead of being prophets of the Word of God is shameful.) Many groups have claimed the rainbow as there own that is just the rainy kind. God’s bow that is the sign of His covenant to man is different then the rainbow. For God’s Bow is the Light of Creation separated in to colors, the tabernacle Moses used. The Light of Creation will destroy man in the flesh. So what 14 years ago was God there was light that no one understood the deep purple. That everyone assume was a black light and was darkness, darkness is void of all light know one can really sees the darkness it is void of all light. So when God was setting His of the covenant in place a reverse process had to happen, The Light of Creation will kill all man in the flesh or of the flesh. So it starts as dark purple almost black, they killed the barer of the sign, but death didn’t take see what happens when you call out to Christ. So 12 yrs ago some thought they could do a better job and control the Bow, okay, but do it right, they didn’t do it right. So the process had to be done again so it could be done right. So now there is some back tracking that needs to be done to deal with the triple 13’s, clean up the Word of God, walk in faith, sing praise to God, keep the other 3 at bay and stable them for the time need, may need to track one and put it back in but its God’s will and we can only ask. Now hades is staying put in china for the time I would not travel there. See what happen when you add and take away from the book, to make a profit, instead of being a prophet the shame of it all. Missed what the white horse really was The Holy Spirit sent by God to rescue his children conquering all of the fallen one’s to save all the souls. All for now tired many things to do.

    The Brat

  55. Beloved says:

    Forever often talks about learning deeper spiritual meaning to scripture the more she prayerfully asks God to lead her into understanding the things of God. Like Mart says there’s more to just words, there’s a beautiful picture of our LORD and saviors love. We are all given different stations in life, yet we are all to share equal concern for one another, whether honor or suffering. We see David’s troubles being prayed through in the Psalms with pain then comes God delivering and David rejoicing in Him. If there is division caused by using Jesus own words then love is not present as God intended. We are not living in a Biblical time whorp but are the recipients of Jesus saving grace. We all have a lot to learn- the more I know the less I know—His love is THAT big!

  56. Beloved says:

    Whoa bratimus I’ve never heard any of those interpretations before. Are they from your own personal study or do you follow a teacher. Just wondering, thanks.

  57. Beloved says:

    warp not whorp

  58. street says:

    If there is division caused by using Jesus own words then love is not present as God intended.

    thinking of a twenty dollar bill. thinking further lighting a match and putting the flame to the bill. holding the bill in such away that it is consumed completely. to see this in real life might one think what a waist! they have money to burn. the bill is nothing more than a piece of paper with ink on it. you may say that is true, but i might add that there is a spirit behind the bill. was that spirit broken or destroyed by the fire? the gov will print more bills, but it is powerless to change or control the spirit. if God’s Word makes you angry, you might be a consumer instead producer. granted people sayings things do have a spirit behind them. the question is, did Jesus show up and did i hear Him correctly? following is much better than leading. the government shall rest on His Shoulders.

    division, Jesus spoke about it and paul addressed it. something to live through for the Glory of God. much of pauls writings deal with division, to set apart.

    thinking we will be a weathered lot, loved by God.
    may He be pleasssed with the harvest.

  59. bratimus says:

    My First teacher is Christ through the Holy Spirit and through the Spirit Christ has sent me many man and woman to speak to me of the Words of God, believe it or not Mart is one I use to get the daily bread booklet and Mart use to write many a times in those.

    The Brat

  60. Beloved says:

    Thanks Brat, you and street have a few more synapses going for you than I do. I do really enjoy trying to figure out what you both are saying occasionally. I’ve always loved reading things too difficult for me! When I get a tiny glimpse out of an authors writing I’m thrilled! Always been a happy but stumbling overachiever. Bless you both! I’m more even more thrilled though when the Spirit is speaking the same thing to us all! Bless His Holy name. We can teach each other but it’s the Spirit that guides into Truth, Jesus. I just spent an hour or so reading through the posts from the last topic. The last two posts, Jeff and marts, are really something to think about moving forward. Oh boy I’m going to have a tough time changing my ways.

  61. Beloved says:

    Not meaning to put down ANYONE here. We are all different and have different abilities skill sets and graces- yet one and the same grace given to ALL. Baby steps, ha ha. She said nervously expecting to fumble, again.

  62. bratimus says:

    Remember The book of James through Revelation 4 good read for the times. This is speculation on my part the two witness of Revelation chapter 11 I would speculate are Enoch and Elijah of the old the 2 taken up to Heaven without a Earthly death, but this is speculation on my part like I said I only go to chapter 4 of Revelation. Rest of the Chapters are for someone else to define, their are many parts to the body of Christ.

    The Brat

  63. Beloved says:

    Speaking of graces. Grace to myself for saying others were higher up on Gods ladder because they serve communion to others outside the established church. It is sin to question Gods graces towards others and in any way shape or form test His mercy.

  64. Beloved says:

    Oswald Chambers

    If the central point, or the most powerful influence, of my life is the atonement of the LORD, then every aspect of my life will bear fruit for Him.

    Relaxed finally!

  65. street says:

    I’m wondering whether it makes more sense to listen to what he says while watching what he was doing— and did— to turn tears into laughter and enemies into friends—

    thinking His walk matched His talk. repaying good for evil, blessing for curse, and love for hatred. dying that they may live. love humbles. My power is made perfect in weakness. when love shines brightest.
    learning to love from a pure heart?

  66. Beloved says:

    Street how did vacation bible school go?

  67. street says:

    it starts monday, mostly decorating this week. God is much better at making stuff. 140 kids signed up expect 100 to walk in. need more adult help. tomorrow we decorate til we are done.

    on a side note. there is a funeral saturday. a former missionary to africa. i hope the ones who loved and supported him stop by to see the africa theme for vbs. God really knows how to plan stuff. we are thrilled with the timing. i did not know him.

  68. bratimus says:

    James 3:1-12

  69. Beloved says:

    That IS absolutely perfect timing street. I love how He arranges things we never see coming.

    I also like what you said about how Jesus not only talked the talk but walked the Walk. Paul said he ran the race, ran. Like an athlete — was his analogy. Striving and perfecting our walk, to be like Jesus. We will never be translated like Elijah and Enoch—we don’t have their calling or gifting. But the goal has plenty of steps to take until we see Him face to face! Resting, trusting, and praying up for another day. Blessings all.

  70. poohpity says:

    Well my head is certainly spinning after all those comments. What is the point? Doesn’t what Jesus said and did have a point or purpose or a direction or did He just throw things out there willy nilly with no goal in mind with complete chaos? He has a purpose do you understand what that is?

    Then one can ask themselves; Do the things I write, say or do point to that purpose?

  71. bubbles says:

    This will not be eloquently written. Thinking about Mart’s post, and combining it with the photo of the donkey, I understand it to be the following; First, love the donkey’s endearing ears, which make him appear sweet. Donkeys are known for being strong and humble simultaneously. Perhaps our words can be that way also. Also, the same with our words. Knowing what we (I) know and then finding others who do not know what we know, I think we sometimes get focused on what we know and forget there is a person on the other side with feelings. We forget to listen to them and in listening we show them love. I fail at this. Using tact shows wisdom, gentleness, and love. While what we say from Scripture is right, the way in which it is said comes across as unkind and can be felt by the other person as hate filled, and the one speaking unknowingly can hurt with the truth. Speaking the truth in love is easier said than done, especially when the one speaking cares deeply about what is being said. Then, there are different personality types involved. The choleric is straight with things; flat out says it and goes on. I had a boss who was a choleric in the midst of those who weren’t, and that caused hurt feelings on the part of the workers while the boss did not intend for that to be. And the ones who were not needed to also understand where this boss was coming from, not in anger, but that was his personality type and there is nothing wrong with it. Thank you, Mart, for this wise, kind,convicting, and gentle reminder. It’s easy to see the trees and not the forest. I will confess this to God and ask for more wisdom and kindness and the need to SLOW down and LISTEN and show LOVE. Thank you.

  72. bratimus says:

    1 John 4:1-6

  73. poohpity says:

    I wonder if our own insecurities or guilt effect how or what we hear or read from what another is saying or writing? Can we really know that in advance? So if we are guarded in what comes out of our mouths then we probably would never say anything in fear of how it is taken, how would we ever discuss anything?

    brat, James does have something to teach about that in James 1:

    He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. 19 My beloved brothers, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger, 20 for man’s anger does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.

    Anger usually results from being hurt.

  74. poohpity says:

    brat, what was your point and who were you throwing it at in accusation using the 1 John passage? Just curious.

  75. bratimus says:

    no one in particular just posted it, could have just been for me or for others. Couple of my post probably just clearing thoughts out of my head not aimed at anyone. No worries I set something else to clear out my thoughts. From now on I’ll just post God’s words. My thoughts won’t be a loss to anyone.

    The Brat out

  76. bubbles says:

    Psalm 19: Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight. . .

    I read this to myself and my words need to be kind and acceptable in His sight. If my words are mean, then it’s not acceptable. Words unknowingly without tact can hurt others and there is wisdom in weighing words and being thoughtful before speaking. James speaks of our tongue and how it can be full of deadly poison.
    Ephesians 4:29. . . Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth but that which is good to the use of edifying that it may minister grace unto the hearer. That says to me my words need to be weighed and careful to minister grace to those who hear them. So, yes, Scripture is good for reproof and correcting for me. Grace is unmerited favor. Favors are like little presents. Words should be gifts and gifts should not hurt others.

  77. Beloved says:

    Speaking of love…. I Corinthians13

  78. Beloved says:

    I was reading/thinking about love earlier, then was interrupted by a neighbor asking a ride to the bank. What got ME is that love does not boast or envy. Love is not arrogant or rude. NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, just my thoughts on my own journey and what I need to think about. Dear Brat I hope you keep sharing yourself and your thoughts on the blog. I’m reminded that all scripture is profitable for something or another with the goal of righteousness! Don’t let anyone bully you off the blog. God is greater!

  79. Beloved says:

    I very much enjoyed the conversation last evening, thank you.

  80. foreverblessed says:

    Oswald Chambers

    If the central point, or the most powerful influence, of my life is the atonement of the LORD, then every aspect of my life will bear fruit for Him.

    Relaxed finally!

    That was really good last night!
    Thanks

    And Bubbles thanks for your comment this morning!

  81. foreverblessed says:

    Well, everybody thanks for posting, but when I read Bubbles, I thought that is a good one for reacting to Mart’s topic.

    Whatever Jesus said about anybody, that person was the one Jesus was willing to die for!

    Somewhere in Luke, the Pharisees day to Jesus: You hurt us by what you say.

    Jesus hurts them!

    But He also dies for them.

    So He loves them

  82. Beloved says:

    I think a gift can also come in the form of anything that hurts the sin in me. Very special and rare. I’m thinking as far as the gift of salvation that came through great pain and suffering. Just some thoughts. Good to hear from you also, bubbles.

  83. bubbles says:

    Yes, Jesus laid out the Pharisees because they were teacher and should have known better. I agree. Scripture should convict us and point out our sin. And if that hurts, it should. :) I am agreeing with you.

    Have a good day.

  84. street says:

    “The fruit does not make a good tree, but confirms/shows that the tree is good.” DesiringGodORG

    the Banner flying on top of the Castle tells weather the King is in residence.

  85. street says:

    Proverbs 17:10
    A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding Than a hundred blows into a fool.

    Proverbs 27:5
    Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed.

    Proverbs 28:23
    He who rebukes a man will afterward find more favor Than he who flatters with the tongue.

    1 Timothy 5:1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers,

    2 Peter 2:16
    but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

    The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil, Isaiah 57:1

  86. Beloved says:

    Oh interesting I did not know that about the banner. His banner over me is love, I remember singing. I was thinking about fruit earlier but lost it to ether land. Lots of brain activity going on around us but to bring it to the topic whether in words or part of a statistic it’s all gathered together to burn, or to be melted into His crown as jewels. Oh what a great reward He is then and certainly now!

  87. Beloved says:

    Using poetic license when I say melted into His crown as jewels. No it’s not word for word in scripture it’s an implied metaphor. Peace

  88. Beloved says:

    Just thinking, do thorns melt? Probably not.

  89. Beloved says:

    Street thank you for the verses.

  90. bratimus says:

    My thoughts are not my own They are God’s through Christ, as I do not belong to myself I’m “”I AM’s” God’s” (not saying I’m a god, that is what God called Himself in old testament “I AM Your Lord THY God” So if the Spirit moves I post more thoughts until then God’s word should do.

    The Brat

    p.s. some my thougt’s are dealing with other things.

  91. jeff1 says:

    God draws us to Himself in Christ.
    New creatures now, we share His life.
    All walls are gone forevermore.
    Christ Jesus stands, our open door!

    He died for us, and now we live.
    His love demands all we can give.
    No longer for ourselves alone,
    We live and breathe to draw His own.

    Ambassadors of Christ the King,
    Forgiveness is the news we bring,
    His mighty love, our burning flame.
    We speak to glorify His name!

    Through every struggle near and far,
    To every nation, every heart,
    In every darkness, this our light:
    The blazing love of Jesus Christ!

  92. Beloved says:

    That is a very good way of describing whether one produces fruit or not. Asking Who do I belong to? There’s only two answers. Like
    Oswald Chambers said,

    If the central point, or the most powerful influence, of my life is the atonement of the LORD, then every aspect of my life will bear fruit for Him.

  93. poohpity says:

    Can’t one use scripture all day and still miss the point of them? Like Paul said to Timothy they are to be applied to the one reading them but anyone can use them to point out something in someone else rather than just coming out and saying the fault we see in them. People seem to remember 2 Tim 3: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, but fail to continue that sentence with verse 17 SO that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.

    So do we use the scripture as a guide to live our own lives rather than telling others how to live theirs by them? Or to bring people to a better understanding of God through the knowledge that those scriptures open up? Isn’t one of the purposes of scripture to reveal God and tell His story so that many will come to believe in Him? To share the hope we have found in trusting God and so we may answer anyone who asks us about that hope?

  94. Beloved says:

    It takes a village, or in the case of Christianity a Body with its various gifts, sharing with one another –exhorting, encouraging etc. Sharing Christ to others is one thing. Teaching/training others in righteousness is another. Best to stay within ones gifting but all are expected to grow. It’s easy to know God, the hard part is following. (check out satan) No one can do it alone. Eve was created because God knew this from the beginning. I digress. But the Word brings life to the words of God. I am not my own, I am bought with a price!

  95. jeff1 says:

    We are witnesses to Christ and we should love others as He loves us as love does no harm to a neighbour and therefor love is the fulfilment of the law.

    It is in seeing us in awe of Him that others will be drawn to Him and know too the greatness of His mercy and grace.

    Ambassadors of Christ the King,
    Forgiveness is the news we bring,
    His mighty love, our burning flame.
    We speak to glorify His name!

  96. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 8, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    So do we use the scripture as a guide to live our own lives rather than telling others how to live theirs by them? Or to bring people to a better understanding of God through the knowledge that those scriptures open up?

    Surely there are those ordained to teach and other than that each should read for their own individual growth.

    What gives the non ordained the authority to teach another as it is a higher calling to be a minister.

    When I was ill and needing comfort and assurance my dad did not try to minister to me but took me to an ordained Canon who was able to talk me through Jacobs ladder and give me peace of mind.

    It is after all the Holy Spirit that brings the words alive to each individual revealing to the person conviction and correction.

    God has order for a reason and it is nor for us to contradict His commands.

  97. street says:

    What gives the non ordained the authority to teach another as it is a higher calling to be a minister.

    you are right poo job’s friends got deep in weeds. good thing job prayed for them.

    to share only requires love and truth. both come from God, not man. thinking of jeremiah and paul. one uprooted and planted nations, the other brought the Good News of Jesus.

    thinking uprooted and planted a Kingdom.

  98. bratimus says:

    Romans through Philemon

    Are God’s teachings on how to live your lives through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

    James through 3 John go for are times now

    Jude need to be careful with this book of the Bible. not for the faint of heart

    Revelations 1-3 chapter 2 and 3 a good read to measure oneself.

    So is everyone worried about what is wandering a around the sky.

    and the colors changing to deep purple, warning to the wandering thing. Remember I belong to God and God alone.

    It is about the vessel, and right now there are way to many right now. That is for God to know and God alone, way above my pay grade, I don’t even know if Christ knows which vessel it is, Christ died for those who are to be saved, so a few vessels maybe converted, God has to shatter some until God choose which one. The Angels have claimed my body for God just like they did for Moses. It is God’s will and he only knows. And it is not
    me, pretty sure the wanderer is head to where it should be to bother me know more, the thing is a little insane. Just a thought.

    The Brat

  99. foreverblessed says:

    What a glorious day we celebrate today!

    Luke 24:49
    And I myself will send upon you what my Father has promised. But you must wait in the city until the power from above comes down upon you.

    Psalm 27:14
    Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord

    (for those who feel not so strong: in the waiting on the Lord our strength is growing, deep and hidden within us…
    patience)

  100. bratimus says:

    I’m going to need some help from some people out there, the third watch of the day you need to pray and worship, I can not be awake in all 3 watches of the day I need to sleep.

    Did 3 actually say it was going to be them, all they will get is to become bass turds, or white jackets that let you hug yourselve’s in nice padded rooms. Agnostics not to bright are they.

    Just another thought

    Read all of Acts chapter 5

    How many people was someone worried about in the billions that is a lot of work gone need to sleep.

    The Brat

  101. jeff1 says:

    Dying Savior, as Your body
    What a joy to share in You
    Shame and suffering, yet rejoicing,
    Death, yet life forever new.
    Christ, our Light in all this darkness!
    Shine, O Bright and Morning Star!
    Soon the dawning, soon the morning,
    Soon the sun of all You are!

    You are joy in all its fullness,
    Rich supply for every need,
    Strength when we are weak and weary,
    Light if we but let You lead.
    Pressured, yet we march triumphant,
    Trusting One forever true,
    Loving, patient, persevering,
    Meek, but tall and strong in You.

    Brothers, sisters still are suffering
    For the Lord they glorify.
    Bathe them in Your holy presence
    As they bow to lift You high.
    May we share their total giving,
    All we are and all we own,
    One in heart and one in purpose,
    Giving all to make You known.

  102. poohpity says:

    Does one have to be an ordained minister or pastor to teach? No! That is one of the various gifts that the lord gave to the members of the body to fulfill His purposes. It wasn’t until many years later that there was even such a thing as an ordained minister or pastor, so what did the church do in the meantime? I would guess to live out their gifts to build up the body of Christ, a teacher is called just like the person who has the gift of faith are prayer warriors. Or the person who is gifted with hospitality opens their homes to welcome people or bring meals to those who are home bound or the person with the gift of service can be called on to do what needs to be done like give people rides or help clean the houses of those who are sick, etc.. All are given gifts by the Lord and are trained to do good because every member of the body is important and has a function. The person who empties the trash for the church is just as important as a teacher, they each have a function. Doing their job the best they can to point people to God the very source of their giftedness.

  103. poohpity says:

    Just like one does not need special credentials to serve Communion except to know what the elements represent to do in remembrance of what the Lord did for us and can be celebrated when one is home bound or in a house meeting or wherever they may be.

  104. poohpity says:

    Paul asked the members of the church in Ephesus, “19 And pray for me, too. Ask God to give me the right words so I can boldly explain God’s mysterious plan that the Good News is for Jews and Gentiles alike. 20 I am in chains now, still preaching this message as God’s ambassador. So pray that I will keep on speaking boldly for him, as I should.”

    In the early church Paul spent time confronting heresy or false teaching that had found it’s way into the churches like the Roman Church, the church in Corinth, Colossae, Galatia and in Ephesus.

  105. Beloved says:

    Forever I was thinking what a glorious day that was also. Thinking about people speaking in the languages of the hearers so they could all hear about Jesus!!! I reminded of the Tower of Babel when God gave them different languages. God is ruler yet! Thanks to bible translators His Word goes out all over the world finally. I’m sure there are some people groups left to reach though.

  106. bratimus says:

    As it is Written in The Word of God Jesus went to the Temple of God and and got angry seeing all the vendors and dealers buying, selling and trade in the House of God. Jesus Angry was so Great that He knock over the table and chase out the dealers and traders and sellers of The Temple of God. WE think the Christ through the Holy Spirit needs to come through and do it again to keep the the temples clean and safe.

    The Brat

    There is a anger roaming out there

  107. jeff1 says:

    I practise my faith in a church where we have a minister and lay preachers and the minister can give communion while the others cannot.

    I find that it is the communion that I want to partake of and I am not thinking that much about who should give it to me.

    Every church has a different practise but it is the reason we are taking it seems much more important to the recipient.

    Communion is important because it’s a command to remember. Jesus wants us to remember every time we taste bread and wine, and even when we sit at the tables in our own homes, that He is the one who provides all we need.

    If a person’s heart is in the right place then there is no wrong building i.e. my mum and her friend frequently entered Roman Catholic churches because it is not the practise here to leave our Protestant churches open.

  108. Beloved says:

    Dear brat, who are the “WE” you are referring to?

  109. Beloved says:

    Forever I don’t find strength within at all. But that’s just me, however, God gives me strength to rise up as on eagles wings and run like the deer when necessary.

    Psalm 46:1-3 God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble. … Isaiah 41:10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

  110. Beloved says:

    I have a beautiful framed wall picture of psalm 24:14 I look at often. So encouraging– be strong take heart and wait! He is my strength and shield, an ever present help in trouble, therefore I will not fear, though the mountains fall and the oceans rise I am safe!

  111. Beloved says:

    Brat, God has set a watchman for the nights. And the days. Praying you get the rest/sleep God wills for you.

  112. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, sorry, I should have been more elaborate:
    While we wait on the Lord, He puts His strength deep within us, so slowly, that after a few years, you notice: Hey, I am not so easily upset anymore.
    That is, if I wait on Jesus, and not take steps like Sarai did when pregnancy waited more than many years, and she was getting old.
    Wait on the Lord,
    And be strong
    Or: you will be strengthened by the Lord!

  113. foreverblessed says:

    Bratimus, I pray with Beloved for you.
    That whatever you do you do it in the Rest of Jesus, our Sabbath Rest.

  114. Beloved says:

    Forever I understand what you meant, we go from strength to strength the scripture says, yes. In my younger years i accomplished amazing things someone like myself could not have done short of a miracle of God. It took a miracle! Yes! God giving me strength hope faith and love and needed. But, I am old and the ptsd, anxiety I’ve long struggled with is still here. Gods will for me to have this thorn, I believe. As I said I’ve always been an overachiever so see my thorn as a real blessing, and am so thankful and grateful to God for how He keeps me faithful to Him. I might have built my own tower of Babel if I wasn’t forced to rest in His arms from time to time. Oh He is sooo good.

  115. bratimus says:

    I use WE and US as the members of the Body of Christ more then just one.

    The Brat

  116. poohpity says:

    For those who think it takes a priest to administer the elements of Communion or any other task within the church and to the outside world around us, we are a royal priesthood, saints and ambassadors for Christ because we are people of God. I was hoping someone would mention that, so it could be that maybe they have not learned that about themselves yet.

    As Peter said, “They stumble because they do not obey God’s word, and so they meet the fate that was planned for them.

    9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

    10
    “Once you had no identity as a people;
    now you are God’s people.
    Once you received no mercy;
    now you have received God’s mercy.”

  117. Beloved says:

    Forever I found that since I retired I lose my temper much much more easily. When I worked I had the confidence of Gods purpose for me amongst lost people and very very rarely got upset with them. Also God put me in leadership positions so felt very accountable to Him to be His hands feet and words to help. I’ve had to reconfigure my current station in life on Gods terms, and not having any authority I find myself impatient and frustrated often. I remind myself daily of what God still expects from me, that is to be His hands feet and voice. I feel like I’m in a wilderness without a place of rest…but as you have said often, Jesus is our rest, our Sabbath rest! I need a LOT more rest (physical) these days, when I can, but so helpful to know my Spiritual Rest is 24/7. Living in the world and not being a part of it is strange, as we really ARE strangers in a foreign land.

  118. Beloved says:

    Thanks bratimus!

  119. Beloved says:

    Using biblical language of “priests”, chosen, and Holy points to the OT as people understood the terms from that. It doesn’t mean we are told to do what priests did, but explains how we are set apart as people of a Holy God. (We are given various gifts making up the Body, yes). A careful reading of Peters’ words without adding to them give an explanation of Who’s (Gods) we are because of the obedience of one Man, Jesus. Chosen, Holy and equally priests in Gods kingdom.

  120. Beloved says:

    I believe it was Charles Wesley (Methodism) that introduced “the priesthood of believers” as a doctrine but I may be wrong.

  121. Beloved says:

    That’s all I know, don’t want to discuss further.

  122. jeff1 says:

    I’ve been walking through this valley afraid of the unknown
    My God is always with me I’ve never been alone and I know that there are blessings already on the way so while I’waiting I’ll be lifting a melody of praise.

    I will sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top circumstances change but my God does not
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what
    So I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top.

    There where times upon the mountain where you taught me to sing
    I felt the comfort of you presence that only You can bring
    So in this lonely valley let a song rise from me
    I will praise Your name forever no matter where you lead

    I will sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top circumstances change but my God does not
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what so I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what
    So I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top, mountain top.

  123. bratimus says:

    Hi I’m Bratimus,

    I’ll be your tour guide for the end of the world, WE do not use the Left behind book series as a guide or the movies or for that matter any movie or book written about the end of time. WE will be using the Word of God as are guide.

    Any questions?

    Are the time of sorrows about to end into the eruption of the Great Judgement?

    The Brat

  124. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Brat,
    If you want to start a discussion on the endtime, start your own blog, and give us the name of that blog, and then I can decide whether I’ll join your guiding.

    Then one comment, meant humourously:
    Statistics
    The use of numbers, and making conclusions about them:
    Once in a thousand years, there was a huge raid out of Mongolia:
    That is 400 AD with Atilla the Hun, and 1200 AD with Djengis Khan.
    Who were a scourge for Europe.
    So if there is something brooding in the East, watch Mongolia.
    With the use of statistics, Ha ha

    One positive note about this:
    Saint Denise is a woman, who organised prayer meetings, praying for the city of Paris when Stills was approaching the city.
    Paris was spared, not by a mighty army, not with real swords, but with praying women!

    So there is a real example for weak and unimportant people (in the world’s view):
    The believing person who has her eyes fixed on Jesus,
    Not on a task, or on a job, but a close union with our Lord and Savior.
    And in this case, she was inspired by her Lord to pray with other believers for the city.

    Beloved, Oswald Chambers writes a lot about:
    We are not bound to a cause, or a job,
    But to a Person, Jesus Christ.

    I had to learn that years ago , having been jobless, and started to search for the deeper meaning of a Christian life.

    I am learning to stay in His Rest, if He has a task for me to pray, then I pray.
    If not, I try to do my household duties in a prayerful mode, thanking God.

  125. jeff1 says:

    There is a higher throne
    Than all this world has known,
    Where faithful ones from ev’ry tongue
    Will one day come.
    Before the Son we’ll stand,
    Made faultless through the Lamb;
    Believing hearts find promised grace-
    Salvation comes.

    Hear heaven’s voices sing;
    Their thund’rous anthem rings
    Through em’rald courts and sapphire skies.
    Their praises rise.
    All glory, wisdom, pow’are,
    Strength, thanks, and honor are
    To God our King, who reigns on high
    Forevermore.

    And there we’ll find our home,
    Our life before the throne;
    We’ll honor Him in perfect song
    Where we belong.
    He’ll wipe each tear-stained eye
    As thirst and hunger die.
    The Lamb becomes our Shepherd King;
    We’ll reign with Him.

  126. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful song, Jeff!
    Bratimus, only God’s blessings I pray for you.

  127. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Forever, most of the songs I love are sung by American artists as they sing from the heart and I was drawn to Gospel music as a child when I was bought an album by Elvis called
    “His Hand In Mine”.

    His Hand in Mine

    You may ask me how I know my Lord is real (my Lord is real)
    You may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel (the way I feel)
    But I know He’s real today, He’ll always be (He’ll always be)
    I can feel His hand in mine and that’s enough for me

    I will never walk alone, He holds my hand (He holds my hand)
    He will guide each step I take
    And if I fall I know He’ll understand
    Till the day He tells me why He loves me so (He loves me so)
    I can feel His hand in mine
    That’s all I need to know

    I will never walk alone, He holds my hand (He holds my hand)
    He will guide each step I take
    And if I fall I know He’ll understand
    Till the day He tells me why He loves me so (He loves me so)
    I can feel His hand in mine
    That’s all I need to know

    I can feel His hand in mine
    That’s all I need to know

    I can feel His hand in mine
    That’s all I need to know

  128. foreverblessed says:

    “You may ask me how I know my Lord is real
    You may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel”

    What do i do when that is the case? O dear…

    Or….I just continue the song:

    “But I know He’s real today, He’ll always be.
    I can feel His hand in mine and that’s enough for me”

    I also found it good to sing Christian songs, at the time I was depressed, after leaving that fundamentalistic church, as if It was telling to myself that “all is well” when Jesus is with me.
    A sort of repetition of gospel words.
    It helped me lot!
    And still is true.

    But now I also sing out of joy, and thankfulness!
    God is good, and the Greatest!

  129. poohpity says:

    Beloved, thanks for sharing your view about what Peter said but Paul also said, “we are priests of the Good News” in Romans 15. Hope that helps clear things up for you. Didn’t and don’t priests serve the Lord and because we are children of the King that makes us royal? They did not have schools back in the day that gave diplomas they were simply appointed and all believers are appointed in service to the Lord, we are a royal priesthood. No matter how one twists it, it simply is and Jesus is our High Priest.

    Bratimus, Jesus left us with a guide through His word, an advocate that will lead us into all truths but there is a but we have to follow Him as He leads. To put aside what we think or understand and be open to learning from the source. John 14:26; John 16:13

  130. poohpity says:

    First things first so may be if one starts reading in the Gospels and learns about Jesus then believes in who He is and what he did and does, the letters and prophesies that come after maybe more understandable with His helper. Even the OT becomes more alive because we see that it in fact pointed us to the Messiah from the very beginning. Luke 24:27 NLT

  131. poohpity says:

    Mart stated, “I’m wondering whether it makes more sense to listen to what he says while watching what he was doing— and did— to turn tears into laughter and enemies into friends—and then see if we can find an honest-to-God way of hearing a heart of love that when “not heard” makes him sound like a devil.”

    This is what He did—–

    Phil 2: Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and compassionate? 2 Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose.

    3 Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. 4 Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.

    5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

    6
    Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
    7
    Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
    When he appeared in human form,
    8
    he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

  132. Beloved says:

    Thanks forever for the reminder Gods ways are so different than our ways! My ways still die hard but always the goal. Blessings to you and Pooh and Christopher and Viv today.

  133. Beloved says:

    Exodus 4:11
    New Living Translation
    Then the LORD asked Moses, “Who makes a person’s mouth? Who decides whether people speak or do not speak, hear or do not hear, see or do not see? Is it not I, the LORD?

  134. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 45:7
    I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

  135. Beloved says:

    Just words or a God of action? For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life! Only Jesus saves and we all need a savior.

  136. Beloved says:

    Dear bratimus, I know how easy it is to go off topic here as they go on for weeks at a time and sometimes the need for fellowship is greater than sticking to topic when it’s all been said more than once. But I think Mart’s goal is fellowship while his platform is to edify the Body. Mart can correct me if I am wrong. :)

  137. Beloved says:

    Although, Paul reminds us that 1Corinthians 11:19New International Version
    No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.

  138. bratimus says:

    Sounds like people don’t want me writing here anymore, I was just trying to get some peoples thoughts on some topics. I just start a journal and hopefully people that need it will find it. I was just trying to go through the Word of God. Even the evil one doesn’t know God’s will, they will be a backing off so things can cool down. The Word of God must flow just like the flowing river of life.

    I’ll go write in my journal.

    The Brat

  139. street says:

    Words and Statistics
    the office of a priest.
    thoughts…. 5 Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.” 7 So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the Lord had commanded him.
    5 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins; 2 he can deal gently with the ignorant and misguided, since he himself also is beset with weakness; 3 and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices for sins, as for the people, so also for himself.
    1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
    1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    no longer Words and Statistics
    living sacrifices, not dead ones. Romans 12
    there is way much more about a priest through the Old Testament. Hebrews in the New is a very good guide.

    12 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. 14 Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.

    1 Thessalonians 1:3
    constantly bearing in mind your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father,

  140. Beloved says:

    Thanks street for fleshing that out. (Priesthood)

  141. Beloved says:

    I trust your interpretations as I read the Bible myself.

  142. poohpity says:

    Brat, you add as much as others on here. Not many seem to understand or learn from Mart’s topics anyway so consequently they go off onto other subjects, it is pretty much the norm, so you fit right in with the rest of us. I think we all try to understand the love of God and His goodness so that we can minister to others by sharing our own experiences and I do not think we ever do anything perfectly it is after all a process but we can not give up.

  143. poohpity says:

    I am missing Steve, Pat, Pearl, Saled, Maru, Bruce they often add to the conversations by just showing up. It seems God is especially fond of everyone and we all matter.

  144. poohpity says:

    Acts 1:8 NLT

  145. Regina says:

    Good Morning, BTA friends!
    Off topic here..
    Apologies for being away for so long!:-( I didn’t mean to stay away for that length of time, but I got carried away with chores, work, study, etc. Since I’ve been away, I’ve celebrated another birthday. I’m 52 years old now, and I thank God for every blessed year! I can say “blessed” because of what I’ve learned to be true during my 52 years of life on earth. I pray all is well with you all, and that your days in the first half of 2019 have been awesome! “Happy birthday” to whomever celebrated a b-day while I was away. Well, I look forward to chatting with yall in the days ahead, and hopefully I’ll be able to stop by for another visit later on today.

    76 degrees and cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  146. Beloved says:

    Pooh said: Not many seem to understand or learn from Mart’s topics anyway

    I find this offensive, judgemental and difficult to ignore, however I’m going to do my best. But my joy of sharing is spoiled for today. Bless us all, LORD Jesus. Thank you for the test you have allowed today. Please lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen

  147. Beloved says:

    Regina nice to hear all is well and happy Birthday to you. At 52 I was in my sophomore year of college (12 credits) and working part time. Now I am nearly 70 and can barely keep up my housework and cat duties, lol! Yes you are blessed also. Life is quite an adventure with Jesus at the helm. If you need specific prayer let me know. Blessings, Joyce

  148. Beloved says:

    Nope, with Jesus nothing good is spoiled. He wins!

  149. Beloved says:

    Pooh, while yes I am offended I understand you are who you are and nothing about you is going to change— I just have to keep reminding myself. I feel for others also who write here so get a crushing load on my head when the group is slammed. If our God in Christ Jesus is not working fast enough for you here that’s between you and whoever your god is. Unless you try to manipulate him her it also. Which I’m guessing is the case. That said, carry on.

  150. poohpity says:

    Oh Beloved, have you even given it a moment of thought to finish that sentence rather than just posting part of it? Maybe you are one of the few that understands that is why you may not change the subject but add to it. The full sentence reads, “Not many seem to understand or learn from Mart’s topics anyway so consequently they go off onto other subjects, it is pretty much the norm, so you fit right in with the rest of us.” You see what you see that fits in with your perspective which may not be what was actually said but only what fits in with how you think. The “us” means all of us. Continue to think the worst of others and that is what you will always see!

  151. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus was an Encourager!
    Except for the ones who knew it all, the pharasees.
    And even for them He was willing to die!

    Encourager!

    So I encourage Bratimus to join the discussion Mart starts here. Nothing is said that you should not write.

    And I am very happy to see Regina posting.
    Happy New Year Regina, and may God bless you.
    You are always so positive, and in a good mood!
    A very good example.

    And I am thinking of Bubbles, who said something about the picture Mart gave with this topic:
    A mule, and he looks so humble,
    and the ears!
    Listening….

    May God bless you all,
    and may you all be encouragers, like Jesus is.

  152. foreverblessed says:

    This morning, european time, this site was not available, neither utmost site.
    So that is why Jeff didn’t post, maybe.
    But have a good evening Jeff!

    Jesus raised Lazarus to life, and Lazarus came out of the tomb with the grave-clothes still on.
    I once read a devotion on this:
    Jesus was also saying:
    When you look to yourself, or to others, see through the grave-clothes and see the person that is inside,
    the one who will be cleansed and made new!

    So try to look through the negatigvity, and see the good!
    Quite a proposition!

  153. Beloved says:

    No, it doesn’t work pooh, you still said we ‘aren’t learning or understanding what Mart says’. Period. Doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do as far as going off topic. Or can’t you see that even? You’ve been called on this sort of judgement a zillion times, yet…. Oh well, my bad, can’t make the blind see.

    We are not a political blog, just sayin’.

  154. Beloved says:

    Seeing the good in others, yes quite a proposition! It’s really a challenge yes it is when a person keeps throwing negativity at you. Where I live I just stay in when it gets too much as I’m surrounded by lost people who have good reason to be negative!!! But if I knew another Christian — or one who claimed to know Christ yet threw out slander every other day I would have to question their faith. And avoid them at all costs! It’s hard here sometimes as not many posters but the thorn remains, just like in the real world. I guess the good I could come up with is that this is all written so can avoid some written words. If this were a virtual group I would of been long gone.

  155. Beloved says:

    Rethinking good. There is no good in us apart from Christ. Even in Christ the good will be destroyed eventually. It’s Christ Who remains yesterday today and forever. We are His sheep. We bring nothing to the table but empty hands and open hearts. To receive Christ, alone.

  156. Beloved says:

    Suggestion, use ‘we’ instead of ‘they’ as bratimus does if you must comment about the rest of us.

  157. Beloved says:

    @12:44 was for pooh.

  158. foreverblessed says:

    Envision yourself as a great encourager!
    Just as Jesus is, was, having our eyes fixed on Him.
    I was also thinking about Jesus, something is written about Him when He was 12.

    And then nothing….

    Till He was about 29.

    Did He also have a “wilderness” time?

  159. Beloved says:

    Your right pooh, you recovered by changing ‘they go off’ to ‘we’ at the end. I’d still drop the ‘they’ altogether on here if I were you. It makes you appear to set yourself apart from the rest, judgemental.

  160. Beloved says:

    I am an encourager but with Truth, which sometimes hurts sin. I think the whole New Testament is about speaking Truth in love. Painful at times? If course because we all sin! We can try to only think the best– isn’t that what pagans do? But we focus on Christ, who needed to suffer and die for our very lives, foreverblessed we are! Yes!!!!

  161. poohpity says:

    Lol an encourager with truth as you see it which is not truth at all but your perspective, period. Speaking the truth in love is about sharing the teaching of Jesus to equip the Saints in knowledge of Jesus not to point out their faults or truth as we see it. Another example of using scripture to prove a point it was not meant for which is what this topic is about and taking it out of the context of it’s meaning. Here is sharing the truth in love within the context of what that means.

    “And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15 Rather, SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

    Beloved just like you took what I said out of context to mean what you wanted it to mean, just like you took Peter’s words out of context to mean what you wanted them to mean about royal priests, just a few examples of many times that happens repeatedly over and over.

  162. Beloved says:

    Pooh, I agree we are NOT on the same page as far as Biblical interpretation. Not lol. Chiding is unbecoming.

  163. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 18:15
    The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

  164. Beloved says:

    SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ

    Ephesians 4:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
    15 But speaking the truth in love [in all things—both our speech and our lives expressing His truth], let us grow up in all things into Him [following His example] who is the Head—Christ.

  165. Beloved says:

    16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint SUPPLIES, according to the effective working by which EVERY part does its share, CAUSES GROWTH of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

  166. Beloved says:

    Words and statistics

    We use words to communicate. Do they communicate love? Meekness humility purity of heart? And so much more…? Jesus comes to mind.

  167. jeff1 says:

    It is obedience to the Spirit that makes us mature in Christ as without Him I can do nothing.

    When I remember that it is God who is faithful then I know submitting to His way brings its own reward.

    Temptation does not come from God but from my own fallen state and I must pray, confess and keep my own heart right with God and encourage others to do the same.

    Supporting each other when one is weaker than the other is not about being critical but about being understanding and loving towards each other as we get enough criticism from those not of faith so God expects us to be united otherwise we damage the Body of Christ that we claim to be so devoted to.

    Shame on me and anyone who confesses without a heart deserving of God’s mercy.

  168. Beloved says:

    What is the difference between mercy and grace?

    While the terms have similar meanings, grace and mercy are not the same. To summarize the difference: mercy is God not punishing us as our sins deserve, and grace is God blessing us despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mercy is deliverance from judgment. Grace is extending kindness to the unworthy.” Quora

  169. Beloved says:

    Daniel: everything is going to be alright.

  170. jeff1 says:

    Our Almighty God will do His work
    Through us, through us.
    Our Father delights to bless the world
    Through us, through us.
    Through all who hear and obey His call,
    The child, the leader, the great and small,
    He will help and heal,
    Expressing His love through us.

    For all who obey, our Father works
    His will, His will.
    Through joy and through pain He kindly weaves
    His will, His will.
    The sweet surprise and the long delay,
    The weird, the wild, and the everyday,
    God will use them all
    To lovingly work His will.

    O Father of love, we give ourselves
    To You, to You.
    Completely, O God, we live our lives
    To You, to You.
    So give the joy that You long to share,
    Our deepest hunger, our highest prayer,
    That forevermore
    We draw every breath in You.

  171. bratimus says:

    My post that got an up roar was me trying to add humor, with humor WE can find joy in our hearts with joy of heart WE can reach Christ easier rather then a heart in turmoil. Even in the worst of times we need to find the joy in are hearts.

    Is not the Word of God the beginning of the end from the start, until the New life with God.

    Bratimus

  172. jeff1 says:

    It is seeking God with a contrite heart that brings me closer to Him as God is not mocked and so whatever He brings me through is for correction as God sees my motives and detects any wickedness in me which is not consistent with a Holy God.

    Against You Lord I have sinned!

    Great Is Thy Faithfulness

    Great is Thy Faithfulness, O God my Father
    There is no shadow of turning with Thee
    Thou changes not, Thy compassions, they fail not
    As Thou hast been, Thou forever will be

    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth
    And Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide
    Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow
    Blessings all amine, with ten thousand beside

    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

  173. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus said:
    We will come and make our abode with him
    John 14:23

    That is also such a great promise!
    My utmost talks about this today, and gives an interesting statement:

    “For you to say, “Oh, I’m no saint,” is acceptable by human standards of pride, but it is unconscious blasphemy against God. You defy God to make you a saint, as if to say, “I am too weak and hopeless and outside the reach of the atonement by the Cross of Christ.” Why aren’t you a saint? It is either that you do not want to be a saint, or that you do not believe that God can make you into one. You say it would be all right if God saved you and took you straight to heaven. That is exactly what He will do! And not only do we make our home with Him, but Jesus said of His Father and Himself, “…We will come to him and make Our home with him” (John 14:23). Put no conditions on your life— let Jesus be everything to you, and He will take you home with Him not only for a day, but for eternity.”

    If we say we are not a saint, or not like a saint, then in fact we are belittling God, saying that He is incapable of changing us.

    And to Jeff, when I write this I have to think about you:
    Just go on in praising God in songs, and God will increase in you. Slow as it may seem, but steady:
    Yes, hold on to Jesus.

  174. jeff1 says:

    Safe in the arms of Jesus,
    Safe on His gentle breast;
    There by His love o’ershaded,
    Sweetly my soul shall rest.
    Hark! ’tis the voice of angels
    Borne in a song to me,
    Over the fields of glory,
    Over the jasper sea.

    Refrain:
    Safe in the arms of Jesus,
    Safe on His gentle breast;
    There by His love o’ershaded,
    Sweetly my soul shall rest.

    Safe in the arms of Jesus,
    Safe from corroding care,
    Safe from the world’s temptations;
    Sin cannot harm me there.
    Free from the blight of sorrow,
    Free from my doubts and fears;
    Only a few more trials,
    Only a few more tears!
    Jesus, my heart’s dear Refuge,
    Jesus has died for me;
    Firm on the Rock of Ages
    Ever my trust shall be.
    Here let me wait with patience,
    Wait till the night is o’er;
    Wait till I see the morning
    Break on the golden shore.

  175. poohpity says:

    From the very beginning man and the devil have used God’s words to say what they interpreted them to mean. Even in the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness Satan used God’s word to mean what he wanted them to mean not what God had intended. God’s Word changes hearts of stone into hearts of love by showing us what love truly is and has left us with the Helper to put those words into practice and give us understanding.

    People seem look at the world and others through this shroud of darkness or through a knot hole in a fence only seeing partially but speak as if they see it all and there is only One that sees it all clearly. Try putting a puzzle together without the full picture as a reference or having all the pieces, it makes no sense and is worthless. We will have all the pieces but not in this life time and not without the very One who created the puzzle to begin with.

    So wouldn’t it be wise, loving and more thoughtful to let the One who knows all, is all powerful and is everywhere and is the very source of truth to share with us what HIS truth is, not as we see it, but as He does. Let His love grow down deep inside of us so it is overflowing outward toward others as it was meant to be. Trying to love others when our hearts are empty leaves us trying and trying to give away something we do not have or know nothing about. Words and statistics only devoid of meaning and substance.

  176. poohpity says:

    Trade in Words and Statistics for love;

    If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

  177. poohpity says:

    The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so that you can pray. Above all, love one another deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

  178. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    June 12, 2019 at 5:13 am

    Why aren’t you a saint? It is either that you do not want to be a saint, or that you do not believe that God can make you into one.

    I think perhaps I got off to a bad start and continued on a downward spiral.

    It was so much easier to run from God than try to keep His commands and having a mum who filled me with superstition and a dad telling me she did not know what she was talking about exasperated me all the more.

    Top that with a religious war where God was the last thing on peoples minds it was a slippery slope to being a sinner and I didn’t have too many role models other than my parents and what do parents know anyway was my thinking.

    One failure after another led to mental illness and there I met God for the first time.

    What did I know about God? Very little other than what I had heard from preachers and that was just as confusing as listening to my parents because God was either a wrathful God who wanted to see me in hell for my sins or He would forgive me if I followed His commands which was the reason I ran from Him in the first place because I couldn’t see how I was going to do that.

    Who is God? I have no idea who God is but I know that it is Jesus that makes me right with Him and with a head that is all over the place that gives me a peace and understanding that I don’t deserve but that God in His mercy as given me.

    If you could see
    What I once was
    If you could go with me
    Back to where I started from
    Then, I know you would see
    A miracle of Love that put me
    In it’s sweet embrace
    And made me what I am today
    Just an old sinner
    Saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I live and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    Loved and forgivin
    Backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    How could I boast on anything
    I’ve ever seen or done
    How could I dare to claim as mine
    The victories God has won
    Where would I be
    Had God not brought me
    Gently to this place
    I’m here to say I’m nothing but
    A sinner saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgivin
    Backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    with each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgivin
    backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    Saved by grace

  179. Beloved says:

    A lot of good theology in O C’s writing today.

  180. Beloved says:

    If I were born in a preachers house with the most loving of parents friends and neighbors and never an unkind word spoken to me or about others never an angry voice raised in my hearing. Never known war or hatred or bitterness or strife or injury of any kind, still, I would be a sinner and in need of the saving grace of God by Christ Jesus. Forgiven means ALL my sins Forgotten means all my past sins, even pride. AND, there is forgiveness through repenting of current sins, daily, as needed. Praise the name of Jesus, bless His Holy name.

  181. street says:

    We’ve also seen what happens when words and thoughts, whether ours or God’s, are used to express the wonder of shared cares and smiles.

    if the devil uses deception and sin to steal kill and destroy, would it be a far stretch for God to use grace and truth in Christ Jesus to give life? we found sin and death in other things, but did we find life in them? maybe emptiness and disappointment? you are what you eat. thinking of paul, i die daily. some people die and some die and come to the tree of life…

  182. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus, who turns enemies into His friends.

    Jesus died for us, while we were still His enemies.
    Who would do that?

    Jesus eliminates His enemies by making them His friends.

    It is a long process, Jesus Himself the First, and the church the firstfruits…
    Firstfruits means: there will be more

    Those who die to the old self, and come to the Tree of Life, those who come to Jesus, and live in Him:
    In Him we move and live and have our being.

    Acts 17:28

  183. Beloved says:

    Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and took Him. 51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

    52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will [j]perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

  184. Beloved says:

    by Norman Grubb
    “Death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.”

    As Jesus died to Himself at Gethsemane in accepting a death which He wished He could escape, so we die to our desire to resist or refuse what we would like to escape. This is the dying fulfilled in our bodies.

    But where there is a dying there is a rising. As we by acceptance die to our hurt selves, we have a consciousness of Him living His life in us. We have a poise, faith, peace, liberty, which hurt self does not have. The life of Jesus is being manifested in our mortal body, and people see something different from the usual way of behaviour in unpleasant circumstances. Then also, being freed from self-pity and self-hurt (though there is the constant hurt), we can now see along with God into something of His purposes in revealing Himself to others by us. We are freed to co-operate by the word of faith that God will do what He plans to do in the specifics He shows us in the situation. We are free to love those whose very antagonisms are proofs that they are really crying out for love, and to give acceptable witness as occasions arise.

    This is exactly the answer I was praying for a couple days ago. God always answers prayers of His children! Waiting has allowed me to quiet down and relax. What does this have to do with the topic? Everything. The Word of God is living and powerful and wants to spread His joy and peace by living the best way—dying to self as Jesus did.

  185. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you beloved, that was very very good!
    Awesome!
    Risen to new life, a glorified life, capable of hearing every nudge of the Holy Spirit, moving where He wants. Or staying still and quiet, always in the Rest of Jesus.

    Thank You God, for this New Life in Christ!

  186. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    I’m up early this morning and preparing to get some chores done. Wow, Joyce, you make me feel so young! Thank you for your offer to pray on my behalf. Applied for a 2nd job yesterday (the Lord brought the company to mind), so I welcome your prayers regarding that position. Someone said we’re only as *old* as we feel, and I think there’s a lot of truth in that saying. Well, off to start my chores… Hopefully, I’ll be able to chat more later on today.

    64 degrees and clear in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  187. Beloved says:

    Words and STATISTICS

    Speaking of age….statistically those without family & close friends die off sooner than those with meaningful relationships as depression and a loss of meaning to life causes the heart to just quit beating. However, the godly know Who holds their life. His purpose for living is so different than the world’s purpose. I have come that they may have life, Jesus said, and that more abundantly! The lense through which we see ourselves matters. “she has her Fathers eyes”, remember that song?

  188. Beloved says:

    Father’s Eyes
    Song by Amy Grant

    I may not be every mother’s dream for her little girl,
    And my face may not grace the mind of everyone in the world.
    But that’s all right, as long as I can have one wish I pray:
    When people look inside my life, I want to hear them say,
    She’s got her father’s eyes,
    Her father’s eyes;
    Eyes that find the good in things,
    When good is not around;
    Eyes that find the source of help,
    When help just can’t be found;
    Eyes full of compassion,
    Seeing every pain;
    Knowing what you’re going through
    And feeling it the same.
    Just like my father’s eyes,
    My father’s eyes,
    My father’s eyes,
    Just like my father’s eyes.
    And on that day when we will pay for all the deeds we have done,
    Good and bad they’ll all be had to see by everyone.
    And when you’re called to stand and tell just what you saw in me,
    More than anything I know, I want your words to be,
    She had her father’s eyes,
    Her father’s eyes;
    Eyes that found the good in things,
    When good was not around;
    Eyes that found the source of help,
    When help would not be found;
    Eyes full of compassion,
    Seeing every pain;
    Knowing what you’re going through,
    And feeling it the same.
    Just like my father’s eyes,
    My father’s eyes,
    My father’s eyes,
    Just like my father’s eyes.
    My father’s eyes,
    My father’s eyes,
    Just like my father’s eyes.

  189. jeff1 says:

    “Why Should The Father Bother?”

    [Chorus:]
    Why should the Father bother to call us His children?,
    Why should the Spirit hear it when we pray?,
    Why should the Father bother to be concerned with all our needs?
    It’s all Because of what the Son has done.

    Once we were lost out on the Ocean with no direction or devotion,
    tossed about by every wind & wave , Now we are in the world not of it,
    and we can surely rise above it, Because the Lord has risen from the grave

    [Chorus:]

    And we cry “Abba Father”, “Abba Father” ,”Abba Father” , “Abba Father”
    We cry “Abba Father”, “Abba Father”, “Abba Father” , “Abba Father”,

    Once we were strangers from the Promise, We were doubters worse than
    Thomas,
    Till the Spirit opened up our eyes, Now he has offered us Adoption &
    we have taken up the option, To be His family Eternally.

    [Chorus:]

    It’s all Because of what the Son has done.

  190. street says:

    doubters
    some were doubters some ignorant,
    i was an ignorant armed aggressor.

    they will turn their swords and spears into farming tools,
    for the Glory of God. instruction required.

  191. Beloved says:

    Instruction

    Street did God supply everything needed for vbs this week?

  192. foreverblessed says:

    May God bless you and guide you! Regina
    May He give you the desires of your heart.

    The lyrics are very good, Jeff, of that song:

    “Once we were strangers from the Promise, We were doubters worse than
    Thomas,
    Till the Spirit opened up our eyes, Now he has offered us Adoption &
    we have taken up the option, To be His family Eternally.”

    Besides that the message is great too!

  193. foreverblessed says:

    John 14:1-2
    Let not your hearts be troubled,
    you trust in God
    trust also in Me
    In My Father’s house are many mansions
    if it were not so, I would have told you

    Just for some encouragement for this morning, wake up,
    Up and go
    My health has been low, for over a week now, bothered with a flu, or a bug, that doesn’t go away yet. Low energy
    But praising God,
    “Lord I praise You, help me in my un-Praise”

  194. jeff1 says:

    Mansion Over the Hilltop

    I’m satisfied with just a cottage below
    A little silver and a little gold
    But in that city where the ransomed will shine
    I want a gold one that’s silver lined

    I’ve got a mansion just over the hilltop
    In that bright land where we’ll never grow old
    And some day yonder we will never more wander
    But walk on streets that are purest gold

    Don’t think me poor or deserted or lonely
    I’m not discouraged I’m heaven bound
    I’m but a pilgrim in search of the city
    I want a mansion, a harp and a crown

    I’ve got a mansion just over the hilltop
    In that bright land where we’ll never grow old
    And some day yonder we will never more wander
    But walk on streets that are purest gold

  195. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    Thank you for your prayer and encouraging words, foreverblessed! Here’s some more encouragement (I love John 14:1-3!) for you:

    Today’s ODB devo…

    Romans 8:26
    The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

    “Clear Communication”
    While traveling in Asia, my iPad (containing my reading material and many work documents) suddenly died, a condition described as “the black screen of death.” Seeking help, I found a computer shop and encountered another problem—I don’t speak Chinese and the shop’s technician didn’t speak English. The solution? He pulled up a software program in which he typed in Chinese, but I could read it in English. The process reversed as I responded in English and he read in Chinese. The software allowed us to communicate clearly, even in different languages.
    At times, I feel like I’m unable to communicate and express my heart when I pray to my heavenly Father—and I’m not alone. Many of us struggle sometimes with prayer. But the apostle Paul wrote, “The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God” (Romans 8:26–27).

    The last paragraph is my favorite part of the devo! :-)

    “How amazing is the gift of the Holy Spirit! Better than any computer program, He clearly communicates my thoughts and desires in harmony with the Father’s purposes. The work of the Spirit makes prayer work!” ~Bill Crowder

    Insight:
    In chapter 8 of Paul’s letter to the Romans, he uses the word groan or groaning three times (vv. 22–23, 26). However, each sigh comes with hope: All creation groans like a mother in labor (v. 22). With a taste (“firstfruit”) of Christ’s Spirit, we groan in anticipation of a better day (vv. 23–25; see also Galatians 5:22–23). And as we groan, the Spirit of God groans with us and for us (Romans 8:26–27)—understanding far better than we do that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus (vv. 31–39).
    By: Mart DeHaan

    I pray that you all will have a GINORMOUS-ly, great and godly day!

    72 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  196. street says:

    beloved, from a human perspective i would say all the needs were not met. the pre-school class had to be cut off at 50 and some were turn away. the school age kids none were turned away. the rain kept us inside for all activities on 3 days. from God’s perspective we will have to wait like the farmer. i remind you we still have to live from the athletic and soldier view too. thank you for praying.
    5 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

  197. Regina says:

    Oh, I almost forgot… I have a question regarding a quote in your last blog post, forever…

    “Lord I praise You, help me in my un-Praise”

    What is “un-Praise”?

  198. Regina says:

    Oh, I almost forgot… I have a question regarding a quote in your last blog post, forever…

    “Lord I praise You, help me in my un-Praise”

    What is “un-Praise”?

  199. cbrown says:

    Good morning to all!I just want to shout for joy today. Last night was such a blessing handing out “Our Daily Bread in 2 cell blocks and then waking up this morning and reading the comments on this blog. Glory!

  200. bratimus says:

    Ephesians 6

  201. Beloved says:

    I’m wondering whether it makes more sense to listen to what he says while watching what he was doing-

    I was thinking about the miracles Jesus performed to show He was the Son of God. He healed, made wine and killed a herd of pigs. He said things like, oh ye of little faith-rise up and walk-why do you persecute me- your faith has made her whole- and many more of course. Jesus lived the hard life we all struggle with from time to time. But it was only temporary until He ascended into heaven and now sits on Gods right. Interceding for us always! Oh captain my captain! I trust I believe I followYou! Who else has the words of Life?

  202. street says:

    Over the years we’ve seen together that words, like statistics, can be used to say or hide just about anything we want to say or hide.

    the contrast of light and darkness.
    the contrast of love and hate.
    the contrast of forgiveness and condemnation.

    love covers and protect, contempt exposes and condemns.

    God exposes our sin by His love and saves us by this same love. contrast that with His adversary.

  203. jeff1 says:

    The love of God is greater far
    Than tongue or pen can ever tell.
    It goes beyond the highest star
    And reaches to the lowest hell.
    The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
    God gave His Son to win;
    His erring child He reconciled
    And pardoned from his sin.
    O love of God, how rich and pure!
    How measureless and strong!
    It shall forevermore endure—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    2
    When hoary time shall pass away,
    And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall;
    When men who here refuse to pray,
    On rocks and hills and mountains call;
    God’s love, so sure, shall still endure,
    All measureless and strong;
    Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    3
    Could we with ink the ocean fill,
    And were the skies of parchment made;
    Were every stalk on earth a quill,
    And every man a scribe by trade;
    To write the love of God above
    Would drain the ocean dry;
    Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
    Though stretched from sky to sky.

  204. street says:

    watch what he does …..

    At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

    3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry?

    Give ear, our God, and hear; open your eyes and see the desolation of the city that bears your Name. We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy.

    Daniel 9:18
    Give ear, our God, and hear; open your eyes and see the desolation of the city that bears your Name. We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
    Hosea 6:6
    For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
    Matthew 9:13
    But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    thinking that Jesus was not picking and eating the heads of grain. i would bet He was hungry too. yet He found strength in God, to do His will. He also gave grace and mercy to His disciples. what Jesus did was just as important as what He said.

  205. foreverblessed says:

    The topic has moved on, but I have to meditate on the question a bit more.

    But Regina
    Lord I want to praise, help me my un-praise
    that was a paraphrase on
    Lord, I believe, help me my unbelief.

    When I am really sick, I have difficulty in praising God with a joyful heart.
    The headache and nausea, an dthen being full of joy, and thankful.
    The un-praising, the hard to get to real praising.
    But I want to do it, anyway, as I know that God is all powerful, that evil has to leave you because it canot stand praising Jesus.
    Thank you for your bible verses,and for your concern, thank you veru much!

  206. street says:

    man was made for the sabbath, not the sabbath for man.

    if man was made for the sabbath? what is he resting in?

  207. street says:

    the law could not save, Jesus can.

    the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world.

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