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Quote Unquote 2.0

We’ve talked before about something that seems important beyond words.

Together with the New Testament Acts of the Apostles, the letters of Paul, Peter, James, and John refer often to Jesus but hardly ever quote him. The four Gospels do. But after his ascension to the Father, actual quotes of Jesus are few and far between in the rest of the New Testament—even though he had challenged his disciples to make followers of all nations by teaching others to do all he had urged them to do.

In other words, after the coming of Jesus’ Spirit — Paul, Peter, James, and John wrote in his name, without quoting him.

Why not?

I don’t think we should assume that all of the communities that circulated the apostles’ letters

already had a written copy of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

Seems like it might be important to think, once again, about why— the Gospels quote Jesus— while the rest of the New Testament focuses on the implications of Jesus’ life, suffering, death, resurrection, the Spirit he sent, and the attitudes and actions by which  his followers are known.

Centuries passed before anyone— let alone everyone— had Bible’s like our own.

Don’t know whether you’ve seen the television commercial for dishwasher detergent where a cute little girl says with a puzzled look on her face, “My mother washes the dishes before she puts them in the dishwasher…… So what does the dishwasher do?


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Mart for a fabulously refreshing subject. Something we can sink our teeth into and sort out.

    Several years ago you ask if there were a difference between the writings and quotes from Jesus and the writings of Paul. In essence were there a Gospel of Jesus and or a following of Paul.

    Today there may be a misled worship of the Bible instead of the worship of its Spiritual Author.

    I will be thinking about how best to attack this subject as the morning progresses, it already being a little late for me to spend much time here at the computer.

    One thing to note, I got rid of my dishwasher years ago and only wash my dishes by hand myself.

    Steve

  2. poohpity says:

    That little girl probably had never washed dishes yet because even before one puts dishes in the sink to get washed by hand the excess food is washed off because one can not clean dishes in dirty water, so it would also fit that putting them in the dishwasher one must also wash off the big hunks so it does not clog up the machine. If one does not run the dishwasher right after you put dishes in because you may not have enough to fill it food can get caked on.

    Hundreds and thousands were eye witnesses to the life of Jesus, heard His teaching first hand so they ate off of clean dishes but after the dishes got dirty letters were written to clear away the big chucks of false teaching and problems that arose in the first churches, so they could eat off of clean dishes again, back to the basics.

    As those first eye witnesses died off they did what they were taught rather than just repeating the Words of Jesus they actually did the words of Jesus. As St. Francis said, “Spread the Gospel use words if necessary.” But the story of Jesus had to go from the eye witnesses to the next generation so they could also believe.

    The difference in dishes washed by hand and those that come from the dishwasher is the heat needed to kill bacteria and to sanitize. Anybody can say they are a Christian but have they been sanitized by the blood to live what they say they believe. Hand dish washers depend more on self and their abilities rather than trusting the power of the dishwasher to fully clean, sanitize and deodorize.

  3. poohpity says:

    As you said Mart, people knew the people who followed Jesus by “their attitudes and actions” even though they may not have quoted Jesus, they lived Him.

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Starting at the bottom, Mart ask what does the dishwasher do? Speaking only for myself, my first wife Rita ask for one and so I put one in for her.

    What I soon learned was that it was a place to hide dirty dishes, day after day until it was full and then necessary to use in order to make room for more.

    It was noisy, it was very time consuming (run time) and used more energy and water than washing the dishes by hand.

    Of course she could set and watch TV or do something else while it ran, but I never saw it as anything except an extra unnecessary expense to buy and to operate.

    How does this all relate to our subject? Well, as I see it, which do we spend the most time doing? In prayer to, and meditation with, God, or reading through the Bible?

    Do you see there being any difference between the two?

    The Book of Revelation has some very clear quotes from Jesus, it is just that some people don’t like what He has to say.

    43 this morning, so far June has been more like April than June, but then we still have half a month to go.

    Steve

  5. street says:

    So what does the dishwasher do? lol

    sometimes i lol and cry.

    hey steve i think your right!!! hide dirty dishes!

    i think the dishwasher is up there with circumcision with paul. could works be the opposite of what God wants us to be doing?

  6. street says:

    We’ve talked before about something that seems important beyond words.

    this took me back, hit me like a hammer, stopped me in my tracks.

    made me think of the lyrics in a song, ” is there life after love?”

    thinking of the Spirit of the Father. Greater than all.

    then i come to the person, the Supremacy of Christ.

    that they are One.

  7. street says:

    could works be the opposite of what God wants us to be doing?

    let me rephrase this, could dead works be the opposite of what God wants us to be doing?

  8. poohpity says:

    Doesn’t a person’s faith show itself in/by their attitudes and actions, the unquote part? They do not need to quote scripture because they live it. It would seem then that a person without such faith is only talk and quotes with no actions or attitudes to reveal what they say they believe like washing dishes in dirty water rather than one who has been tested in the heat and purified by the dishwasher.

    Would you eat at a restaurant knowing that the dishes were washed by hand and not put through a dishwasher?

    Would you listen to someone who has not experienced the love, mercy and forgiveness of Christ as it will be more than obvious because it comes pouring out to others?

  9. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    June 15, 2019 at 6:17 am

    Today there may be a misled worship of the Bible instead of the worship of its Spiritual Author.

    The Bible can be used for good or bad depending on the reader and their intention for quoting it.

    I have seen it used for to divide and conquer which is not what I believe it was intended for.

    Some people use the word of God for their own convenience and that never turns out well in my experience.

    It should be treated with reverence and to get to know God but there will always be those who will use it to promote their held beliefs.

    They do not seem to take God at His Word when He says He will not be mocked.

  10. bratimus says:

    Mart say that When Paul, Peter,James and John’s letters went out The people did not have the Gospels as we do today. Yes they didn’t have the Gospels(or as I miss Type things some it comes out God-spells) in written from. After Christ arose from the dead He walk on Earth for 40 days wasn’t being seen probably by everyone that he gave sermons to and the Gospel was out there, making even more dispels then the original 11.

    Just a thought on my part.

    Brarimus

  11. bratimus says:

    was being seen* me and my typo’s

  12. Beloved says:

    2 Corinthians 4:18(NIV)
    18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

  13. poohpity says:

    Yes bratimus, Jesus stayed around 40 days after His resurrection to prove that He was alive and appeared to more than 500 people as Paul says in 1 cor 15:

    Let me now remind you, dear brothers and sisters, of the Good News I preached to you before. You welcomed it then, and you still stand firm in it. 2 It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message I told you—unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place.

    3 I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said. 4 He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said. 5 He was seen by Peter and then by the Twelve. 6 After that, he was seen by more than 500 of his followers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. 7 Then he was seen by James and later by all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as though I had been born at the wrong time, I also saw him. 9 For I am the least of all the apostles. In fact, I’m not even worthy to be called an apostle after the way I persecuted God’s church.

  14. poohpity says:

    It is so important to our walk of faith to sing, pray and meditate on God’s words that is what brings us closer to God in praise and gratitude, so that we may share that with others and not share false teaching or the thoughts or thinking of man.

  15. phpatato says:

    Pooh, not to start anything but to offer another side to your question…..

    “Would you eat at a restaurant knowing that the dishes were washed by hand and not put through a dishwasher?”

    People ate at restaurants before the invention of dishwashers. The rapid growth of travel through the 19th Century thanks to railways and steamships meant more people began traveling greater distances. This, in turn, increased the need for restaurants.

    Not all dishwashers do a good job of cleaning dishes. Dirty cutlery, food left on plates at the end of the cycle and spotty glasses were normal occurrences before Finish and even then “can” come out dirty. But I do agree that it is the thought that dishwashers deodorize and sanitize with the addition of a chemical sanitizer (that is left on the dishes before the dry cycle) or a final rinse cycle with water being very hot.

    I guess you only know when you actually examine the dishes that come out from the cleaning process. In other words…you’ll know the tree by the fruit it bears.

  16. street says:

    We’ve talked before about something that seems important beyond words.

    thinking about david. how he had to give up his thrown to the One Who would sit on it forever. he had to give it up to solomon because his brother made a grab for it and if he did nothing it would not have happen

    i find it interesting that circumstance forced david to give up his kingdom. he instructed his servants have solomon ride a donkey on a certain path, then david turned over his kingdom to him. Jesus rode a donkey over the same path on palm sunday. more than words.

  17. street says:

    In other words, after the coming of Jesus’ Spirit — Paul, Peter, James, and John wrote in his name, without quoting him.

    Why not?

    living in His name

    abiding in His Spirit

    you could write too,

    speak sit stand walk run soar.

    more than a book on the coffee-table.

    yet written on our hearts

    Emmanuel

  18. poohpity says:

    Yes Pat many did eat at restaurants before dishwashers and the health department found that diseases that can be transferred through saliva had to be destroyed at certain high temperatures to make sure those bacteria got killed. People only found that out after many became very sick. When people wash dishes by hand there can be food left on them or grease or others germs as well. I think the point is, What does quoting the bible actually do without a heart that desires to follow God, it is just words? I think this was just an extension(2.0) of the point that was being made in the last topic. Just a further way to consider it.

  19. jeff1 says:

    There is a green hill far away,
    outside a city wall,
    where our dear Lord was crucified
    who died to save us all.

    We may not know, we cannot tell,
    what pains he had to bear,
    but we believe it was for us
    he hung and suffered there.

    He died that we might be forgiven,
    he died to make us good,
    that we might go at last to heaven,
    saved by his precious blood.

    There was no other good enough
    to pay the price of sin,
    he only could unlock the gate
    of heaven and let us in.

    O dearly, dearly has he loved!
    And we must love him too,
    and trust in his redeeming blood,
    and try his works to do.

  20. bratimus says:

    It was great to hear from Steve again, I have a few birds around my dwelling even say hi to them as they perch.

    God bless all through Christ and be touch by the Holy spirit.

    Bratimus

  21. street says:

    Quote Unquote 2.0

    unhitched

    rehitched

  22. Beloved says:

    Thinking tonite about the confidence Paul and others had with the Holy Spirit to write explicitly about Gods will for the new church and their joy in sharing variously the reason for their hope, Jesus! I was just reading about the holiness of God, which demands justice. The OT is full of stories of Gods justice carried out. But imagine living in the first century with all the eye witness stories about the startlingly shocking
    death and yet -risen -from- the -grave -news of One claiming to be the very Son of God going around like the internet, although not as quickly, obviously. Better though to have heard it by ear and have the rest of the day to ponder it as they went about their pretty simple lifestyles (compared to most now days). I think it’s probably good practice to read the bible slowly, prayerfully, and with the deep respect due our great Creator. Holy holy holy is the LORD, the whole earth is full of His glory.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    I read in John 21:25 KJV that if all the things Jesus did were written in a book the world itself could not contain them.

    It would have been nice if His earthly witnesses would have shared more so that we too could have read about them.

    Could it be that much of what Peter or James or John did write reflected some of the “things” Jesus did while with them before His ascension?

    I left out Paul, because we are talking about the life of Jesus prior to the Passion and after His resurrection and as stated above His ascension to the Father.

    Paul speaks from the Holy Spirit’s urging and if we do indeed believe the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the Son are One, then we believe Jesus is being quoted. Just in a different manner.

    It becomes a matter then of believing Paul.

    I am going to leave it there for now. As I have a bad habit of going off in too many directions I see connected, but may be confusing to the reader.

    Praying blessings for all today.

    Steve

  24. SFDBWV says:

    Not intending to widen the disagreement between which is cleaner the hand washed dishes or the electric dishwasher.

    However in most if not all diners or eateries where the health department oversees. You have a wash tub and next to it is a rinse tub and a drying rack. Not all diners have mechanized washing devices.

    My mother had the habit of once the dishes were rinsed off and in the drainer she would pour boiling water over them as an added measure of assuring they were clean of any soap residue.

    I suppose it becomes a matter of what you trust, the work of your own hands or pushing a button and walking away.

    Steve

  25. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 15, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    It is so important to our walk of faith to sing, pray and meditate on God’s words that is what brings us closer to God in praise and gratitude, so that we may share that with others and not share false teaching or the thoughts or thinking of man.

    That is because I was raised in a culture that encouraged it.

    I have spoken to people from different cultures who say they can feel near to God without practising and who am I to say otherwise.

    I expect a fisherman can feel more alone with God and able to communicate with Him as after all Jesus’s disciples where fishermen.

    Just because it works for me doesn’t say it has to work for another.

    It is up to God how He draws people to Himself and not my decision.

    God isn’t forcing me to do something I am not comfortable with so if sharing your teaching is something you do because you feel assured God is leading you to do that then ‘Do So’ but do not make that necessity for someone else who is not assured of God’s leading.

  26. poohpity says:

    Steve your last sentence is very thought provoking. It is a matter of what one trusts and I might add who one trusts as well. Most do trust themselves rather than trusting anyone else but the sad part to that is sometimes others know or see what we may not know or be able to see. My brother and I used to do the dishes as we grew up and often one of us would be handed a dish only to have the other return it because of a missed spot and neither got upset over that we just continued our job. Well maybe a hand full of suds being thrown here and there, lol.

    It is so neat about the Gospels each wrote from their own experiences but often there are many, many things they had in common while speaking about the same person, Jesus. They had different reasons for what they wrote and to different audiences but a common purpose, the Good News. Luke’s gospel was actually a letter to Theophilus with a sequel; Acts.

  27. street says:

    It would have been nice if His earthly witnesses would have shared more so that we too could have read about them.

    thinking about the Old Testament. this was the Bible of the first century church. what made it come alive to the readers? what gave them new insight and new understanding?

    Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

  28. poohpity says:

    Viv, I never push anything on anyone nor do I insinuate that YOU NEED to do anything other than what you do, so no need to take what I say so personally to lash out every time I write anything about reading the bible, that is your feelings of guilt nothing to do with me and yes you are right it is God who puts on the heart of His people ways to get to know Him. This is what I have to say directly to you, “DO NOT READ THE BIBLE, VIV” I am sure there is nothing in there meant for you. Of course I can be wrong and often times I am.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    This new topic made me think deep, what is Mart trying to say:

    The NT writers do not quote Jesus-

    with the girl saying: My mum washes the dishes before putting them in the diswasher, what does the dishwasher do?

    To me it would seem that: the NT writers qouting Jesus is like washing the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher, so not needed. (besides maybe whiping the dishes clean with a piece of paper what is too dirty)

    I was thinking about John the Baptist: He had to prepare the way, the way before Jesus.

    After that the NT writers did not have to repeat what Jesus said, the Holy Spirit was all in control, He knew that the Gospels were going to be written, He knew what was to be in them.

    Anyway, today I saw on the screen of our church:

    Romans 3:26

    He did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

    John 3:16b

    …He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    The verse in Romans 3:26 is not an exact qoute, but it covers the meaning of John 3:16 fair enough.

  30. street says:

    I expect a fisherman can feel more alone with God and able to communicate with Him as after all Jesus’s disciples where fishermen.

    thinking of joshua spending much time at the tent of meeting when moses was not there. plenty of time to be alone with God. david as a shepard boy out in the field plenty of time to be alone with God. samuel at the Temple daily as a small boy, alone, save for his God.
    speak Lord your servant is listening. i noticed the little one did not recognizes the voice of God when he first heard it. after love the next gift is joy.

    God, greater than all my thoughts and ideas.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    …it shoud be quote, not qoute,sorry, that was not a typo, but a pure wrong spelling.

    It was good to hear from Cbrown, last week, and the encouraging words he wrote. May God grant a great blessing to the inmates his ministry goes to.
    (And I have a message for you, Regina, in the former topic, thanks)

  32. poohpity says:

    FYI, not all the disciples were fishermen of the original 12 there was a tax collector, a thief, a zealot and we are not actually told what were the professions of others but as time went on people from every walk of life became disciples. Prostitutes, lepers, Pharisees, etc all kinds of people who knew they needed a Savior became students(disciples) of the Good Teacher, still till this present time.

  33. poohpity says:

    forever good thoughts on the topic. Is what you are saying that the one’s taught by Jesus, His students became teachers?

  34. poohpity says:

    Happy Father’s day to our eternal Father. Our human dads teach us many things and love us only as they know how but your love is greater and more powerful than any human is capable of. Some of us have not even known the love of an earthly dad because of abuse and it was not within their abilities but we have you to heal those wounds and show us what real love is. I celebrate and praise you for giving us something that no human being can.

  35. poohpity says:

    How can you remember or understand with help from the Holy Spirit the things that Jesus taught unless you know what that was? John 14:26 NLT The letters of NT may not quote Jesus but they certainly taught what he taught. Those letters to the churches were to address certain problems in those churches at that time which still happen today but they all had to know the teaching of Jesus for the churches to have been started in the first place.

  36. SFDBWV says:

    We have 4 Gospels that each tell the same story from somewhat different perspectives, yet the same story.

    Much of the quotes of Jesus are repeated in each.

    Each one supports, confirms and endorses the other.

    Even Jesus would sometimes say “Verily I say” which is in a way is a repeat of what He already said, but with added importance.

    It is interesting that in the Eastern Orthodox faith there is a saying that goes something like this. “When people ask why doesn’t the Lord continue to speak today as He did in the Scripture? The reason is He has already said all He needs to.”

    The bigger question to me is since Jesus was quoted in the Gospels as saying what He did, does anything written in the Epistles change or challenge or alter His quotes?

    I find many people today want to explain away not only quotes of Jesus, but any Scripture that doesn’t align with their view of things.

    Just thinking…

    Steve

  37. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 16, 2019 at 9:10 am

    Viv, I never push anything on anyone nor do I insinuate that YOU NEED to do anything other than what you do, so no need to take what I say so personally to lash out every time I write anything about reading the bible, that is your feelings of guilt nothing to do with me and yes you are right it is God who puts on the heart of His people ways to get to know Him. This is what I have to say directly to you, “DO NOT READ THE BIBLE, VIV” I am sure there is nothing in there meant for you. Of course I can be wrong and often times I am.

    I was not lashing out as you put it, Pooh, and indeed was just saying how I see things very differently then you do.

    It isn’t about YOU so why do you make it about YOU.

    I was telling of how I know people from other cultures with different beliefs as to them feeling close to God which was not in keeping with mine.

    It is me understanding that there are people being drawn to God in other cultures and that speaks that God is at work even when I do not see Him.

    I am seeking God and He is everywhere so I should be looking in other places and not just on my own doorstep.

  38. bratimus says:

    I have Always said that the Word of God is prefect which was Christ, but in the hands of man in written and print there is the possibility that man has fouled it up in translating it over the centuries because languages turn toward slang over the centuries. We should be thankful to God of Heaven the Holy of Hollies through wisdom and will that we can find truth of the Word Christ through the Holy spirit. I will never deny The Father-The Son-The Holy Spirit, not even in the darkest of times. If I’m wrong then I ask the God who sit above all things to strike me down.

    In the name of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit I ask this.

    Ask and the Holy Spirit will guide you through the Word of God.

    Bratimus

  39. Beloved says:

    So what does the dishwasher do?

    You have been cleansed by the washing of the Word.

    Therefore,

    11 But let all who take refuge in you be glad;
    let them ever sing for joy.
    Spread your protection over them,
    that those who love your name may rejoice in you.

    12 Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous;
    you surround them with your favor as with a shield.

  40. Beloved says:

    Happy Fathers Day!

    25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

  41. bratimus says:

    Find the Joy of Christ in your hearts and live. Have faith in the restoring healing Light of God through Christ through the Holy Spirit. Happy Fathers day Heavenly Father and to all the dads on earth.

    If your having trouble with the Book of Revelation Read the Old testament backwards you get the same conclusion. Find your way.

    Bratimus

  42. phpatato says:

    You are right Deb, without a true desire to follow, listen, obey – quoting the Bible can be, not always, but can be just words…which has been evidenced here when there has been a war of points of view.

    On the subject…..

    There is the notion that the red letters in the Bible are more valuable than the black letters because the red letters are Christ’s own words. I know there was a time when I held that same notion. What could be more special than reading what Jesus actually said. I still think we have been blessed by actually being able to red those red letters, but I have since shifted my thoughts after reading this comment: “regarding the red and black letters, the red letters are the words God spoke while on earth; the black letters are the words God spoke from heaven.”

    To elaborate on that, I wonder if I could say this…..

    In the Old Testament, the black letters are the words that God spoke from heaven.
    In the New Testament, the red letters are the words that God spoke while living on earth.
    In the New Testament, following Christ’s ascension, the black letters are the words spoken by the Holy Spirit.

    Jesus promised the apostles that the Holy Spirit would come upon them after he ascended back to the Father (John 14-16) John 16:13 tells us “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.”

    Paul affirmed that his source of writing was via the Holy Spirit. “How that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made know to the sons of men, as it has been now revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets”. Ephesians 3: 3-5

    All the words in the Bible are God’s. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The red letters as well as the black. All are authoritative; equal in importance; identical in source; harmonious in doctrine. (many thanks to Ken Weliever. I drew on his thoughts to help me explain myself)

    …..”Together with the New Testament Acts of the Apostles, the letters of Paul, Peter, James, and John refer often to Jesus but hardly ever quote him”….. I’m thinking that the reason for that is because the Holy Spirit didn’t “inspire” them to quote Him.

    Pat xo

    Happy Father’s Day to all the Dad’s here.

  43. jeff1 says:

    You learn from the Bible, Pooh, but I have not as it was’t what I was raised with other than to learn the catechism, the creed and the ten commandments in order to be confirmed.

    I was raised to believe in God but the reason I ran from Him was because I believed His commands could not be met and I was right as it turns out.

    My hope was always in Jesus but it just took me a life time of listening to all the wrong people before I realized it.

    I learned not to listen to others because it is through listening to others that I become confused.

    You seem to believe that God only speaks through the Bible while I believe He speaks to those who listen to His voice and why others speak to me of hearing God but not as I or you hear Him in a church or with a community of believers but in a river while fishing.

    As churches are getting emptier it is good to hear that it is not a sign that people are falling away from God but rather they find new ways to worship Him.

    Religion here has divided and there has to be change to move forward and that change may have to be different from what has been and who am I to say what that change will look like but trust it is God’s will.

  44. jeff1 says:

    As the deer panteth for the water
    So my soul longs after You
    You alone are my hearts desire
    And I long to worship You

    [Refrain]
    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my hearts desire
    And I long to worship You

    [Verse 2]
    I want You more than gold or silver
    Only You can satisfy
    You alone are the real joy giver
    And the apple of my eye

    [Refrain]
    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my hearts desire
    And I long to worship You

    [Verse 3]
    You’re my friend and You’re my brother
    Even though you are a King
    I love You more than any other
    So much more than anything

    [Refrain]
    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my hearts desire
    And I long to worship You

  45. Beloved says:

    Mart I love the pictures. Light emanating from the pages of the Book. Light being shone on the writers pen strokes- illuminated in heart and mind by the Holy Spirit . “Faith of our fathers” comes to mind also

    1
    Faith of our fathers, living still
    In spite of dungeon, fire and sword,
    O how our hearts beat high with joy
    Whene’er we hear that glorious word!
    Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
    We will be true to thee till death!
    2
    Our fathers, chained in prisons dark,
    Were still in heart and conscience free;
    And blest would be their children’s fate,
    If they, like them should die for thee:
    Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
    We will be true to thee till death!
    3
    Faith of our fathers, we will strive
    To win all nations unto thee;
    And through the truth that comes from God
    Mankind shall then indeed be free.
    Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
    We will be true to thee till death!
    4
    Faith of our fathers, we will love
    Both friend and foe in all our strife,
    And preach thee, too, as love knows how
    By kindly words and virtuous life.
    Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
    We will be true to thee till death!

    I was also thinking of our earthly father Abraham, wow, what a man of God!

  46. street says:

    thinking of change.
    the transfiguration was a big change for peter james and john. they never seen or heard anything like those events before the Father. oswald chambers says there is nothing from the transfiguration on that we can relate well to. from a world perspective i think he is right, but from a Spiritual new birth point we begin to be conformed to the image of His Son. it would seem the potter is not in a big hurry, as much as He is interested in details. as a Master Craftsman i would think He finds Great joy in His work that was finished so long ago.

  47. bratimus says:

    Here is a thought,

    When The Heavenly Father days of the finale Judgement do come (because it couldn’t be now). Those Judgements aren’t so much for God’s human creations, but more for the evil one and the fallen. It would/is about The Heavenly Father showing His True Almighty Power to all, Don’t be deceived by the evil one say it is it doing it after all the evil one is only a slug.

    Just one of my thoughts

    street if you do read the old testament backwards this time you play job. That not one of the books you read.

    In the name of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit

    Bratimus

    P.S. Husband and wife should stand side by side as equals not one over the other. taking verse out of context is almost blasphemy God is the Judge of that

  48. Beloved says:

    Bratimus, ha ha I know but it’s Father’s Day so I was thinking of Fathers. Relax friend.:-)

  49. Beloved says:

    Children learn from how a father loves their mother also. Not necessarily a theological concept but God is the author of love so I guess it is, even if taken out of context. :-)

  50. Beloved says:

    Speaking of loving father’s…. I’ve been thinking about my deceased father this afternoon. I last saw him while in the Spirit as he was being carried to heaven. He thanked me for my prayers. I’d been praying for him since I was 9 years old. He died when I was 50. A very sick man that did unspeakable things to many many children which I was a victim of and a witness to for 15 years. A man who threatened my life over and over again to keep me silent. But somehow I always knew that God was greater and didn’t want anyone to suffer in hell forever. So I can with joy say happy father’s day to my dad in heaven. I know he must finally be the dad I always wanted but need no longer. My ABBA Father is so good. I thank Jesus again for His sacrifice done in obedience to His Father.

  51. poohpity says:

    I’m listening
    Chris McClarney

    When You speak, confusion fades
    Just a word and suddenly I’m not afraid
    ‘Cause You speak and freedom reigns
    There is hope in every single word You say

    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    ‘Cause everything You say is life to me
    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    Quiet my heart, I’m listening

    When sorrows roar and troubles rage
    You whisper peace when I don’t have the words to say
    I won’t lose hope when storms won’t break
    You keep Your word, oh and Your promises will keep me safe

    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    ‘Cause everything You say is life to me
    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    So quiet my heart, I’m listening

    Your ways are higher
    You know just what I need
    I trust You, Jesus
    You see what I cannot see 4X

    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    ‘Cause everything You say is life to me
    I don’t wanna miss one word You speak
    So quiet my heart, I’m listening 3X

    *Disclaimer* Only for those who love the words of God, for those who don’t please ignore.

  52. poohpity says:

    Viv, how would you know if you could learn from the bible if you never read it? You will never know. *disclaimer* I was not trying to get you to read the bible or listen to the words of God.

  53. street says:

    thinking about truth

    abiding in it or litigating it?

  54. foreverblessed says:

    The Word of God
    Abiding in it

    Or litigating in it

    resort to legal action to settle a matter; be involved in a lawsuit.

    Jeff, you are citing the Word of God very well in all the songs you give.
    A wonderful short essence of the implications of Gods Word.
    I am very jealous about that, in a good sense. I had a bible reading church, and they just failed to get the essence out of the bible: Jesus, our Saviour! Through faith in Him we live and move and have our being.

    Instead, that church was looking for the law of God, to keep it, and ask the Holy Spirit to help keeping it.
    Just not only the sabbath, all the sabbaths.
    Really, the wife had to be submissive to the man.
    Any man. No woman could have any authority over a man.
    Order, authority from top down.

    All with the bible in hand.

    And then I read the songs Jeff posts, and sure enough, they are full of the Gospel worden of Jesus Christ.

    And yes, I do love the Worden of it God, love reading it, love singing it.

    Keep on singing them.

    And my church- upbringing: God is a merciful God, His Spirit guides into the deeper meaning of His written Word, if you are an honoust seeker of the truth.
    So He will do that.
    And I pray a lot for all these fundamentelists christians, Lord have mercy on them, as You had on me.

  55. foreverblessed says:

    And Pat, thank you very much for what you wrote, that was very helpful.
    Jesus also said words, because He knew they were in the OT,
    So it also goes the other way round.
    About the swords, Luke 22:36-38
    I really had to think about this order of Jesus to the discilples: take swords with you.
    And what the disciples were thinking: probably that they had to use these swords. And that is exactly what Peter did, when Jesus was arrested.
    So really, often I think that we are mistaken about the words of God:
    We do not get the deeper meaning, if we do not see the real heart of Jesus

    He is NOT aggresive nor violent, never will be.
    The evil is overcome with good, not with hate.

    BUt is this getting out of context, the topic is: WHy did the NT writers not cite Jesus?
    Patt answers: because the Holy Spirit did not inspire thme to do so.
    To me that is good enough, over to the next topic.

    Steve adds the question: Did the NT writers change the teaching of Jesus?
    In my belief, they did not, they expounded on what Jesus said:
    For example:Let them all be One in us,
    John 17:21-22
    And then Paul goes on to talk about One Body:
    1 Cor 12:12-30

    The Body of Christ, the Church, the body of believers, a spiritual body together, Eph 4:1-16
    and then Paul writes about: One Body

  56. foreverblessed says:

    Anyway, these are my thoughts, I want to be humble, and not overruling Mart’s topic, ,as I may seem to do just now. I should have put it in another way: I do not see what else to to say about the topic.
    Maybe I am missing the deeper point Mart wants to make.

  57. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I am just overflowing, and have to post another thought, I just read on biblegateway a sermon of Spurgeon, it is on the Holy Spirit,
    And what catches me in his sermon is:

    The doctrine of the Cross.

    Wow, I was writing just above about my journey as a young child, reading the bible, doctrines, but the doctrine of the Cross, I just missed that, it wasn’t in the bible curriculum of my old church, althought the cross was preached, but only in the period before Pesach, Passover, in the Springtime.

    Anyway, the doctirne of the Cross, and may I say: the Resurrection, as that happened, and opened the eyes of the disciples: This was Jesus, the Son of God, He was real, and here and now.
    Then Jesus had said to them: I have to go, and that is for your good, so then the Holy Spirit can be sent to you.
    Jesus would be in us, all over the world, thorugh His Spirit, where ever His children are, He would be, and not just alone in Palenstine.

    We die to our old self, (petty old self) and live in newness of life through Jesus His Own Spirit, thhe bread of heaven, the spring of life, the Living Word
    reviving our bodies, our tense nerves, our soul our spirit,

    This is Jesus!
    About whom all the songs that Jeff gives speaks!
    In many julious ways.
    Rejoice with Jeff, that she has found her Saviour Jesus, may God bless her and keep her, and hold her.
    In Jesus’Name I pray

  58. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Forever, you understand so well that which I am trying to say in my own uneducated/unbiblical understanding.

    It is experience that I have because of living in a religious divided country and not Biblical knowledge.

    My dad knew God better than any of the religious people of my day and that has to be by God’s degree though I did not see it then as I was too much up to my neck in the waywardness of it.

    My mum knew human nature better than my dad did because she was subjected to the condemnation of the ignorance of the people of her day who decided that she was unworthy to share their footpaths or their churches because she was an illegitimate child and so in their ignorance they reinforced her belief that she was cursed by God for being who she was.

    She was mentally unstable and so my brother and I inherited her instability of mind because of our closeness to her.

    My brother was diagnosed scripzenia from his teens while it would be my thirties before I was being treated for my psychosis.

    My dad taught me to trust God above all other while my mum taught me not to trust people because she was an example of a volatile woman who only understood violence because as a child she had to physically lash out at others so that she could share the footpath with them.

    While she was only violent with us children once when she lost it, my dad was subjected to both verbal and physical abuse, sometimes she hurt herself i.e. putting her fist through a glass window or throwing ornaments at my dad while he duked to save himself rather than trying to restrain her.

    The violence I seen at home and on the streets of my country would reinforce my belief that God was indeed a God of Wrath and so to be feared rather than loved and so I kept my distance as maybe those religious people had the truth when they said my mum was cursed.

    God finds a way when there seem to be no way and a failed marriage and poor work relationships would lead me to have a mental breakdown and that is when I felt His presence and His love as my friend who was Biblically taught would assure me that God loved me and would not forsake me.

    She, my friend from primary school would reinforce my dad’s belief that God was good and loving and not out to condemn or punish my mum or I for any wrong doing.

    Yes, Forever, rejoice that I know God is all He says He is and much, much more than I will ever understand because I don’t have to understand to trust Him when I know He has touched me.

    He Touched Me

    Shackled by a heavy burden,
    ‘Neath a load of guilt and shame.
    Then the hand of Jesus touched me,
    And now I am no longer the same.

    He touched me, Oh He touched me,
    And oh the joy that floods my soul!
    Something happened and now I know,
    He touched me and made me whole.

    Since I met this blessed Savior,
    Since He cleansed and made me whole,
    I will never cease to praise Him,
    I’ll shout it while eternity rolls.

    He touched me, Oh He touched me,
    And oh the joy that floods my soul!
    Something happened and now I know
    He touched me and made me whole.

  59. poohpity says:

    For the discussion regarding this topic wouldn’t one have to know what the Gospels say and what the letters to the different churches say to understand about Quote Unquote 2.0?

    I know everyone knows about washing dishes so that is what everyone may lean to for a discussion because often we talk about what we know but yet sadly all to often one can talk about something one knows nothing about yet talks or writes as if they do.

    If anyone is interested over the next 6 weeks discovertheword will be talking about and reading the Book of Galatians. I know some have an aversion against reading the bible, going to church or joining a bible study group so this might be an alternative for learning the “Unquote” part of this discussion and just sitting back and listening.

  60. poohpity says:

    that is .org not .com behind discovertheword. One will find that the problems back then in the 1st churches plague our churches today.

  61. Beloved says:

    I know everyone knows about washing dishes so that is what everyone may lean to for a discussion because often we talk about what we know but yet sadly all to often one can talk about something one knows nothing about yet talks or writes as if they do.

    Meet Woman Folly
    “The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing” (v. 13).

    – Proverbs 9:13–18
    Wisdom is famously personified in Proverbs 8 as a lady who calls out for the simple to sit at her feet and learn from her righteous words. But as wisdom has an opposite in foolishness, so does Lady Wisdom find a personified antagonist in the book of Proverbs. Her name is Woman Folly, and we meet her in Proverbs 9:13–18.

    Ligonier Ministries

  62. Beloved says:

    NOT pointing fingers at amyone!!! Just adding scriptural evidence of the statement.

  63. jeff1 says:

    Quotes from C. S. Lewis

    “The Christian claim is:

    Nothing explains the facts better than an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent god creating the universe and sending Jesus to spread his message. This is about as remarkable a claim as could be stated, and yet it is tossed out lightly. Christians seem to imagine that “God did it” is as plausible as the natural explanation that stories grow with the retelling. The Christian has the burden of proof, and it’s an enormous burden given this enormous claim.”

    Of course, we are to pray for spiritual awakening, and in various ways we can do something toward it. But we must remember that neither Paul nor Apollos gives the increase.

    I cannot speak for the way God deals with others; I only know how he deals with me personally.

    You can’t lay down any pattern for God. There are many different ways of bringing people into his Kingdom, even some ways that I specially dislike! I have therefore learned to be cautious in my judgment.

    A great deal of what is being published by writers in the religious tradition is a scandal and is actually turning people away from the church. The liberal writers who are continually accommodating and whittling down the truth of the Gospel are responsible.

    God, who foresaw your tribulation, has specially armed you to go through it, not without pain but without stain.

  64. poohpity says:

    oooh Beloved, you use something specifically I wrote then use scripture as a weapon to point out a fault YOU think I have. Here are a couple to think about; Prov 26:7 NLT or Prov 26:9 NLT or Prov 25:18 NLT This is how not to use scripture when we read it, it is for the eyes of the one reading it not to use against another.

  65. phpatato says:

    Off topic

    The Gotthard base tunnel, in Switzerland, the longest and deepest in the world, was inaugurated on Wednesday. A quick look at that opening ceremony, and one does not have to watch the whole thing (available through you tube) to realize without a doubt that we are indeed living in perilous times. satan is very much alive and he is striking hard and fast these days.

    Instead of warring with each other, we should be praying for each other, our loved ones and those all around us.

    Sickening, disgusting, disturbing and most of all for me, scary.

  66. Beloved says:

    Pooh interesting you would think that, however if the shoe fits?

  67. phpatato says:

    Correction on the date…it was opened June 1 2016. I was just made aware of this today. Sorry

  68. jeff1 says:

    The Praying Hands

    The “Praying Hands” are much, much more then just a work of art,
    They are the “soul’s creation”
    of a deeply thankful heart-
    They are a Priceless Masterpiece
    that love alone could paint,
    And they reveal the Selflessness
    of an unheralded saint-
    These hands so scarred and toilworn,
    tell the story of a man
    Who sacrificed his talent
    in accordance with God’s Plan-
    For in God’s Plan are many things
    man cannot understand
    But we must trust God’s judgement
    and be guided by His Hand-
    Sometimes He asks us to give up
    our dreams of happiness,
    Sometimes we must forgo our hopes
    of fortune and success,
    Not all of us can triumph
    or rise to heights of fame,
    And many times What Should Be Ours,
    goes to Another Name-
    But he who makes a sacrifice,
    so another may succeed,
    Is indeed a true disciple
    of our blessed Saviour’s creed-
    For when we “give ourselves away”
    in sacrifice and love,
    We are “laying up rich treasures”
    in God’s kingdom up above-
    And hidden in gnarled, toilworn hands
    is the truest Art of Living,
    Achieved alone by those who’ve learned
    the “Victory of Giving”-
    For any sacrifice on earth
    made in the dear Lord’s name,
    Assures the Giver of a Place
    in Heaven’s Hall of Fame

  69. Beloved says:

    Sorry, that was a slip of the tongue. (If the shoe fits) Thinking before writing is gold, silence is even better. Covering my head for more bombs and drinking a nice warm cup of coffee. INCOMING!

  70. jeff1 says:

    He Was One Of Us

    He was born as little children are
    and lived as children do,
    So remember that the Saviour
    was once a child like you,
    And remember that He lived on earth
    in the midst of sinful men,
    And the problems of the present
    existed even then;
    He was ridiculed and laughed at
    in the same heartbreaking way
    That we who fight for justice
    are ridiculed today;
    He was tempted . . .He was hungry . . .
    He was lonely . . . He was sad . . .
    There’s no sorrowful experience
    that the Saviour has not had;
    And in the end He was betrayed
    and even crucified,
    For He was truly “One Of Us”-
    He lived on earth and died;
    So do not heed the sceptics
    who are often heard to say:
    “What Does God Up In Heaven
    Know Of Things We Face Today” . . .
    For, our Father up in heaven
    is very much aware
    Of our failures and shortcomings
    and the burdens that we bear;
    So whenever you are troubled
    put your problems in God’s Hand
    For He has faced all problems
    and He Will Understand.

  71. poohpity says:

    The only bombs that you need worry about Beloved are the one’s you have thrown because they return to the one who threw them in the first place. Since you throw many my way just think of how many you will get back not from me but from those around you and just serving the consequences of being a bomb thrower. I pray for God to show you mercy and to bless you. I sure wish you could let go of your obsession with me, I am not worth all your time.

  72. Beloved says:

    Pat I watched the ceremony of 2016 opening of Gottard tunnel. All I have to say is greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. Narrow is the gate. Few find it. God is greater!

  73. Beloved says:

    Pooh I don’t speak to you any more, (less actually), than others here. Get over yourself!!! Oh well, that won’t happen. Oh well.

  74. Beloved says:

    . Since you throw many my way just think of how many you will get back not from me but from those around you and just serving the consequences of being a bomb thrower. I pray for God to show you mercy and to bless you.

    That’s called karma. If we got what we deserved we’d all be dead. Think Jesus not Hindu. Your curse is already etched on Jesus back. Therefore I am not afraid, after all, said the Psamist, what can man do to me?

  75. Beloved says:

    Let it be to you, pooh, according to the will of God (Jehovah). And to me also.

  76. jeff1 says:

    phpatato says:
    June 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    I watched the inauguration on You Tube while I said the Lord’s Prayer as indeed you said very disturbing event.

    These are the days of Elijah
    Declaring the word of the Lord:
    And these are the days of Your servant Moses
    Righteousness being restored
    And though these are days of great trial
    Of famine and darkness and sword
    Still, we are the voice in the desert crying
    ‘Prepare ye the way of the Lord!’

    Behold He comes riding on the clouds
    Shining like the sun at the trumpet call;
    Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee
    And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes

    Oh…comes…

    And these are the days of Ezekiel
    The dry bones becoming as flesh;
    And these are the days of Your servant David
    Rebuilding a temple of praise
    And these are the days of the harvest
    Oh, the fields are as white in Your world
    And we are the labourers in Your vineyard
    Declaring the word of the Lord!

    Behold He comes riding on the clouds
    Shining like the sun at the trumpet call;
    Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee
    And out of Zion’s hill salvation come

    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!
    There is no God like Jehovah!

    Behold He comes riding on the clouds
    Shining like the sun at the trumpet call;
    Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee
    And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes

    Behold He comes riding on the clouds
    Shining like the sun at the trumpet call;
    Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee
    And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes

  77. Beloved says:

    17The LORD is righteous in all His ways

    and kind in all His deeds.

    18The LORD is near to all who call on Him,

    to all who call out to Him in truth.

    19He fulfills the desires of those who fear Him;

    He hears their cry and saves them.

    20The LORD preserves all who love Him,

    but all the wicked He will destroy.

    21My mouth will declare the praise of the LORD;

    let every creature bless His holy name

    forever and ever.

  78. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    I pray all is well in your lives! Thank you, forever… for the explanation on “un-praise.” I’m getting ready to eat dinner (a quick tex-mex salad: cheesy tortilla chips, lettuce shreds, guacamole and salsa — I may have a mango sorbet cone for dessert), then I’m going to read Mart’s intro on the new blog topic and maybe a few of the comments, and, afterwards, I hope to have a few minutes of chat time with yall. Then, I’m going to continue reading, “Ruth: A Portrait… The Story of Ruth Bell Graham.” Well, time to get my grub on! Lol!

    87 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  79. Regina says:

    Oh, forever, I almost forgot… I’m ((SO)) glad the ODB devo was a blessing to you, and to you too, cbrown!

  80. Regina says:

    Just finished eating dinner, cleaning up and reading Mart’s intro to this blog topic. That commercial seems vaguely familiar, Mart. I think I saw it awhile back… maybe a year ago? Now, my thoughts turn to the Bible and how much it means to us as modern day disciples of Jesus Christ.

    I can’t imagine life without it, and I’m very sure that all who read this blog would agree with me. What on earth did those people do in centuries past for spiritual strength and encouragement? We use the Bible, the Word of God, as a foundation for prayer. And prayer, praying the Word of God, is one of our most powerful weapons for tearing down demonic strongholds and it’s godly preparation for spiritual warfare against the devil.

    Thinking about all of those times in my life that I “forfeited peace” and “bore needless pain…alone” because I didn’t have enough spiritual maturity to “take my burdens, concerns, needs, loneliness, frustrations, injustices, emotional pain, financial lack, depression, fear, etc.” to the Lord in prayer. Psalm 119:105…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  81. bratimus says:

    I was thinking did Paul, Peter, James and John realize how many people would actually read their letters. They wrote them to small community of believers, now look at how many they have reach. Would they be pleased with how some churches have use their letters.

    Just a thought

    Always in the name of The Father, Son and holy Spirit

    Bratimus

  82. bratimus says:

    I watched the video that phpatato mention, it was a little disturbing didn’t even watch the whole thing. Much prayer is need.

  83. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 17, 2019 at 8:38 am

    I know some have an aversion against reading the bible, going to church or joining a bible study group so this might be an alternative for learning the “Unquote” part of this discussion and just sitting back and listening.

    Pooh, just to clarify some misunderstandings that you hold I am reluctant to listen to others interpretations of the Bible and I have very good reasons for doing so and that is not quite the same as having an aversion against reading the Bible.

    What I am saying is do not do these things if you do it because it was what your were taught (if it has become a ritual) to do but rather because you are drawing closer to God in doing it.

    My dad and I disagreed on the taking of Holy Communion which shows what one person sees as necessary to their grown another does not.

    I belong to a church that partakes of Holy Communion monthly and it is my belief that I feel spiritually stronger after communion and why I see it as necessary in my growth spiritually.

    My dad did not share my necessity and indeed spoke of how he believed the Presbyterian church who partakes less frequently of Holy Communion was more aligned with his needs.

    I am saying worship God in a way that brings you closer to Him and do not feel the need to do as others do or say but as how the Spirit leads.

    There is no criticism on my part on how another worships God as I have found what works for me and brings me closer to Him and that surely is what each of us desire is to draw close to God so that He draws closer to us.

  84. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Jeff!

    I was going to write about Regina, asking, we have the bible, but what did these first believers do?
    Yes, what did they do?
    But as you write this it appears that I will focus on the bread and wine, remembering the Lord’s death

    Acts 2
    42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

    They came together,
    breaking of bread- I tend to think that these early believers came together maybe even daily to the breaking of the bread: remembering the Lord’s death.
    Holy Communion as some call it.

    I also believe that I am spiritually strenghened when I partake in the Holy Communion. In our church we do it the krst Sunday of the month. And if I do not make it to church that day, then I miss the communion. And I really do miss it.
    In my church housegroup the leading lady would once a while have the bread and wine, and I would she would do it every week. But….

    In faith we take it together, and the bread goes into my body, and something spiritually happens, the wine in the same way. What it is I do not know, neither how it is done. The roman cathlics have the “transubstantiation” doctrine.
    O dear, that is how they see it, and they do forbid me to take communion with them because I do not see that the bread becomes literally Jesus body, but that His spiritual Power flows in me,when I in faith take the bread and drink the wine, and that Spirit Power works in me. and heals me a bit more bit by bit.

    1 Cor 11:26
    For as often as you eat the bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes

    (why proclaiing the Lord’s death?:
    2 Tim 2:11

    Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;)

    Mart wrote:
    “But after his ascension to the Father, actual quotes of Jesus are few and far between in the rest of the New Testament”

    But as I am in 1 Cor 11:23-26, I found a real quote:

    3 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
    25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
    26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

    So these first disciples came together often, and prayed a lot, and broke bread,
    but also they were in the Temple daily, but I will not write about that, as the theme today is set on the taking of the bread and wine.

    Now Jeff, can you imagine that I grew up in a church that took the bread and wine only ONCE a year?
    At the 14th of Nissan (or Abib) the Jewish first calender month of the year in springtime.
    With the first disciples there were also many who held on to the old rituals of the Law of Moses, and stricly kept to the days of 14th of Nissan.

    O, there must have been such an unsure period: the old rituals of the Jews, and here Jesus had been, and overthrew lots of them, and commanded them to break the bread and drink the wine.
    Would you imagine how many would also argue about how often that would be?
    Would Jesus’s Word: “as aften as you take this” have overtaken the law of Moses?

    It appears to me, that Jesus’s words indeed had overtaken the old Law of Moses.
    As it is written in Acts 2:42

    They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of the bread and to prayer

    I’l stop here, and have to get ready to the prayer in the big chruch in our town. Praying for our town.
    On the bible reading list are today:

    Psalm 29 and Proverbs 8:22-31

    Great is our God, Lord overall, the One who made everything that was made, and Who:
    rejoiced in this whole world and delighted in Mankind

  85. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    Just finished reading a few of the comments on this blog topic… Jeff1, the comment that you shared from Steve is a good one, and very fitting for the conversation on this blog topic. I will share it again here:

    SFDBWV says:
    June 15, 2019 at 6:17 am

    Today there may be a misled worship of the Bible instead of the worship of its Spiritual Author.

    The Bible can be used for good or bad depending on the reader and their intention for quoting it.

    I have seen it used for to divide and conquer which is not what I believe it was intended for.

    Some people use the word of God for their own convenience and that never turns out well in my experience.

    It should be treated with reverence and to get to know God but there will always be those who will use it to promote their held beliefs.

    They do not seem to take God at His Word when He says He will not be mocked.

    What Steve said is true, and I hadn’t thought about it that way. It’s true that some people use the Bible for their own selfish, ungodly motives, and they lead many people astray and away from God’s Word (and His true intent for writing it). Thinking of the verse in the Bible where Jesus says, [I’m paraphrasing] destruction is the reward for anyone who would lead His disciples astray. It would be better for that person if a mill stone were tied around his/her neck and s/he be tossed into the sea (or ocean). However, *believers* from centuries past didn’t have a Bible to use correctly or incorrectly. My thoughts for now…

    78 degrees and cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  86. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning BTA family, I start my thoughts this morning around a quote I heard Billy Graham once state; “If I had believed everything I was taught in Seminary, I would never have become an evangelist.”

    To the intellectual mind the Gospels and the letters of the New Testament become a study in how they were introduced, and their literal meaning. Especially fitting into the mindset of the people and culture of the times.

    A mixture of anthropology and archeology. A dry look at the letters, without the influence of the Holy Spirit in explanation.

    Today anyone with a computer can discover how the Bible became the collection of books that now for centuries has become the standard for all Christians to use as a source of connecting to God and being fed by the written Word.

    Always used correctly in concert with prayer and meditation to God through Jesus of Nazareth the Son.

    I got Mart’s point right away when he mentioned the dishwashing story as being why quote Jesus when His words were already quoted.

    However you and I most likely continue to quote Him to ourselves and to others all the time.

    Jesus Himself quoted the writings of the Book of Deuteronomy more often than any other OT Book, but He did so to make a point to what appears as a Jewish populous familiar with the Torah and their particular history.

    Why didn’t Peter, or James or John do the same? To be honest I really don’t know why, maybe they thought it unnecessary and maybe the Holy Spirit had a completely different message to the Church He wanted to put forward.

    For me, my place with my relationship with God is first and foremost by way of prayer. An almost un-ending continuous conversation with Him all day.

    After having an education of the written word and becoming familiar with the Bible, after being indwelt with the Holy Spirit, who will bring to mind Scripture quotes for every situation. The Bible becomes a source of reinforcement, and comfort at a very personal level.

    As I understand things, Peter and James and John as well as Paul were empowered and anointed by God through Jesus of Nazareth by way of the Holy Spirt to deliver the messages they wrote in each letter of the NT.

    They carried out their purpose in delivering God’s message to the Church and to the world.

    If it were necessary to quote Jesus in the letters, then the Holy Spirit would have.

    It seems for me when I get emotionally involved with my relationship with God, things make more sense, then just trying to analyze a verse of Scripture from an intellectual view.

    Peace to all today.

    Steve

  87. Regina says:

    *the word “reward” should be “consequence”…

  88. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    June 18, 2019 at 4:32 am

    O, there must have been such an unsure period: the old rituals of the Jews, and here Jesus had been, and overthrew lots of them, and commanded them to break the bread and drink the wine.
    Would you imagine how many would also argue about how often that would be?
    Would Jesus’s Word: “as aften as you take this” have overtaken the law of Moses?

    It appears to me, that Jesus’s words indeed had overtaken the old Law of Moses.
    As it is written in Acts 2:42

    God opens our eyes when we have eyes to see and ears to hear and so I am always learning with God as is His intention for His child.

    Regina says:
    June 18, 2019 at 5:12 am

    Good Morning, All
    Just finished reading a few of the comments on this blog topic… Jeff1, the comment that you shared from Steve is a good one, and very fitting for the conversation on this blog topic. I will share it again here:

    Regina, the first paragraph was Steve’s quote and the rest was my own thoughts.

    I am quoting you now:

    However, *believers* from centuries past didn’t have a Bible to use correctly or incorrectly. My thoughts for now…

    That is something I did not even know showing my ignorance on many issues so I learn something new everyday when I am willing to listen and learn.

    Steve says:

    It seems for me when I get emotionally involved with my relationship with God, things make more sense, then just trying to analyze a verse of Scripture from an intellectual view.

    That is why I can only read the Bible for my own correction and rebuke and it is misuse of the Bible that creates division today because your quote: (Today there may be a misled worship of the Bible instead of the worship of its Spiritual Author.) is accurate from what I have observed.

  89. bratimus says:

    It has always been my belief that if I just planted or water 1 or 2 maybe 3 seeds of the word of God in some, that it allow God to grow it through Christ and the Holy Spirit. That would be Good enough, the thought being that they in turn would do the same. If you doubled a penny everyday after so many days what would the amount be. So through out my life I hope and pray that I meet my quota on that.

    I’m not a preach or teach of the Word of God, I just mostly pray, praise and worship God through Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    Just a thought

    Always in pray and praise

    In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Bratimus

  90. poohpity says:

    Jesus quoted the prophets like Isaiah because the Messiah was anticipated in His coming and that hope filled many from centuries before He actually came. Jesus took the disciples through all the OT writings that spoke of Him.

    Luke 4: The scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where this was written:

    18
    “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
    for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
    that the blind will see,
    that the oppressed will be set free,
    19
    and that the time of the Lord’s favor has come.”

    20 He rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down. All eyes in the synagogue looked at him intently. 21 Then he began to speak to them. “The Scripture you’ve just heard has been fulfilled this very day!”

    22 Everyone spoke well of him and was amazed by the gracious words that came from his lips. “How can this be?” they asked. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?”

    23 Then he said, “You will undoubtedly quote me this proverb: ‘Physician, heal yourself’—meaning, ‘Do miracles here in your hometown like those you did in Capernaum.’ 24 But I tell you the truth, no prophet is accepted in his own hometown.

  91. poohpity says:

    Luke 24:27 The writings of Moses are the first five books of the bible. Read John 8 at the end Jesus reveals the anticipation of Abraham. “Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.”

    57 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?”

    58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am!” 59 At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.

  92. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I thought you might like to read my 4 a.m. post to clarify that there was a misunderstanding on your part in how you interpreted my earlier post.

    An acknowledgement is not asking for your agreement on what I said but that you understand what I said.

  93. poohpity says:

    We can look at the churches of the first century as if they were in the Temples but they were not they were in the home’s of the believers and other gathering places. When it is discussed about breaking bread together it seems they were talking about sharing meals together in their communities and homes and then whenever they met together they also shared the remembrance meal as well, the bread and wine. They had close fellowship with each other because many from outside the fellowship were trying to kill them for their beliefs to stop the growth.

    Whenever there is not growth in a church or in meeting groups that is a sure sign that the Lord is not taking first place in the meeting. The worship of other gods and the enemy has taken root when growth is not present.

  94. jeff1 says:

    Forever, meant to say in my last post that I have learned much from your posts as you are honest and forthcoming in sharing Biblical passages that help me understand better how it was for the earlier believers as I realize I have not given much thought to their plight.

  95. jeff1 says:

    It is not always easy to belong to a church that is flourishing as many churches are depending on an older generation to keep them running and often struggle with health problems and the like which hinder growth so often churches are just serving their parishioners but I don’t think God would be critical of that.

    I met with a friend at the weekend who does belong to a flourishing church and she showed me photographs of volunteers from cross community sewing garments for the church as members (herself included) are going to Africa in July to distribute clothes and the likes to residents.

    Her husband will be one of the parishioners building premises for the children so that they will be near the school as they are being raped on their way home from it and her sister is a teacher who will teach the children.

    I was pleased to be able to donate a suitcase of clothes as I work in a charity shop which is run by our church and cancer focus so indirectly our church has made a contribution and supported her church and the people of Africa.

    That says to me that even a underdeveloped church with a willingness to do good has its place.

  96. poohpity says:

    Viv, of course I read your post earlier, I read what everyone writes. I did not know you needed a response from me. I understand a little because when I was young we went to church a Lutheran Church not every Sunday but often but I never learned that we could read the bible even tho I had one or have a personal relationship with God that seemed more like something the Pastor did, not us.

    But when I surrender my life to the Lord many years later my desires changed and I could not get enough of His word whether that was from attending church three or four times a week or reading and studying His word. Just like when I love anyone I want to know all I can about them, that is how I felt about the Lord. And no I do not understand people who say they love the Lord but do nothing to grow in that relationship.

    All over the world outside of western influence they also crave the word of God and they would die just to get a piece of a page of the bible to learn more about God. I understand them. I understand those who give their lives to understand and learn different languages so that they can translate the bible into their languages. I understand them. But I do not understand anyone who has the privilege of having a bible at their finger tips yet it is used to gather dust on a shelf, that I do not understand when there are so many options out there in the free world to read or listen to something that has lasted over many centuries because God has made it last and if He thinks that it is that important to preserve it, who am I that it should not be that important to me.

    If one is not willing to write in the margins or underline different passages they may be worshiping the book rather than the One who inspired and preserved it.

  97. poohpity says:

    Oh and by the way the Lord can not bring something to our remembrance by the Holy Spirit if His words are NOT in our minds to remember in the first place.

  98. street says:

    poo think about what you just said?June18,2019 at 9:11 am i remember a donkey speaking because of the madness of one refusing to listen.

    beloved do not be amused by this statement.

    God makes us humble not overbearing.

    thinking about mart,s premise of less quoting in the letters and more living, by faith.

    then comes the idea of the purpose of been thinking.

    had a fun conversation with my borther-in-law. we had a good discussion of God’s Word. Firstborn vs first born. also talked about the, first born, must be redeemed and the right of redemption came to mind. the conversation centered on the exodus and how it is seen or understood.

    thinking about the law, is that like putting them in the dish washer after they have already been washed?

    Luke 11:39
    Then the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees make the outside of the cup and dish clean, but your inward part is full of greed and wickedness.

    Luke 17:17
    So Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But where are the nine?

    9 Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head!”

    10 Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”

    Matthew 10:22
    And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

    24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

    26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    Mark 15:31
    Likewise the chief priests also, mocking among themselves with the scribes, said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save.

    49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

    50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

    39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

    40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

  99. street says:

    thinking about the law, is that like putting them in the dish washer after they have already been washed?

    new wine skins?

  100. street says:

    even new wine skins had to wait for the work to be done in them. then to be poured out. bad wine good wine?

    to one a refreshing

    2 Corinthians 2:16
    To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

    2 Corinthians 2:14
    Now thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place.

  101. Beloved says:

    God makes us humble not overbearing.

    Yesterday I was overbearing, yes. My apologies to everyone. I admit it feels good to have an answer for everything that comes up. Pure evil. I repent.

  102. bratimus says:

    street mentioned laws being put through the dishwasher.

    In the United States I’m still under the impression that the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights still stands, and I’m so thankful for the First AMENdments for the the right worship God and the freedom of speech to speak the truth. As far as I know California is still a part to the United States, have not been told other wise. My Allegiance is with The Heavenly Father I can support the United States and it’s Flag.

    Speaking of wine when I was younger a Sunday school teacher once said that there was sweet wine and bitter
    and most might have drank sweet wine(what we call grape juice.) and some drank bitter wine (what we call fermented grapes.)

    I remember when I was younger and visiting my Grand mothers house, she prepared the the grape juice and the broken apart crackers for the Holy communion. She would always give me a piece of cracker and one of those little glass of grape juice before we even went to church. My Grandmother was one of my teachers of the Word of God.

    Just some thoughts

    In The Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Blessings to All

    Bratimus

  103. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, do you ever listen to what another person is asking?

    This is your post where you make an accusation again me, and don’t give me your reverse psychology that it is me feeling guilty, and that you were not referring to me, because where you are concerned, Pooh, I don’t know the meaning of the word (guilty).

    In the paragraph following your post I explain myself and now I am asking you to acknowledge that you understand my explanation and that is all I am asking of you as you worship God your way and I my way and I won’t force my opinions on you and all I request is that you don’t force your’s on me.

    Do you understand my explanation?

    poohpity says:
    June 17, 2019 at 8:38 am

    I know some have an aversion against reading the bible, going to church or joining a bible study group so this might be an alternative for learning the “Unquote” part of this discussion and just sitting back and listening.

    Pooh, just to clarify some misunderstandings that you hold I am reluctant to listen to others interpretations of the Bible and I have very good reasons for doing so and that is not quite the same as having an aversion against reading the Bible.

  104. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 18, 2019 at 8:58 am
    poohpity says:
    June 18, 2019 at 9:11 am

    Pooh, having read your above posts I would like you to consider and ponder C. S. Lewis’s quote which has certainly set me thinking.

    It strikes me that in your posts it is all about what you understand but I put it to you that we all understand differently but it is not about our understanding but about God’s.

    It seems to me that Lewis has recognised that God’s understanding may be very different to our’s.

    You can’t lay down any pattern for God. There are many different ways of bringing people into his Kingdom, even some ways that I specially dislike! I have therefore learned to be cautious in my judgment.

  105. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Just read through some of the previous blog comments, and good insight from all. Welcome back, Steve! It’s very good to hear your thoughts on this blog topic. Was thinking some more about the people (believers?) in centuries past who didn’t have the Bible, the Word of God, for a spiritual compass to guide their lives… people like Abraham, Mary, Joseph and Job. Were they just *inherently* good? Are some people just born with a propensity to “do good” and others are not? Thinking that the Holy Spirit is the One who provokes the will to “do good” in a person’s heart, mind and soul.

    This blog topic is provoking many thoughts in my mind about the Bible and it’s (very) significant relevance to our lives as believers in Jesus Christ. John 1:1 says, Jesus *is* the ((Word))… “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    Now, my thoughts are on John the Baptist, cousin to Jesus, he was filled with the Holy Spirit while he was in (Elizabeth) his mother’s womb. WOW! What if we all had had an experience like that before we were even born? Can you imagine how that would’ve affected our lives? John didn’t have a Bible… the Holy Spirit directed and guided his life (his every word and action).

    Thinking that, in centuries past, people were (perhaps) just drawn to God via the Holy Spirit… the special and precious gift that Jesus sent to the earth after His departure. My thoughts for now…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  106. poohpity says:

    oh my gosh Viv, I CAN NOT MAKE ANYONE FEEL GUILTY, nor can I make them angry or joyful or anything else that comes from within a person. The Holy Spirit inside of us convicts us and as far as I know I can not get inside anyone, it is not humanly possible to make anyone feel anything so please stop blaming me for your feelings. If there is anyone who assumes and then accuses go look in the mirror. We are each responsible for our own thoughts, feelings and actions.

    I have never been to a church over the last 30 years that the teachers have not said, “Read the Bible” or “compare what is said to God’s word” etc.. That does not mean everyone is going to do it, it is a recommendation to those who want to get to know God better, so they will not be mislead in false teaching and so they can understand human nature better and to see that for centuries people have done the same things so they do not feel so alone when they fail and know that God’s love does not have to be earned. It is not a bad thing to read the bible ask C.S. Lewis or any other follower of Christ.

    From the life of C.S. Lewis;

    No matter what section of the Bible captured his attention at any given time, this one thing must be said about Lewis: he was a man of the Book. Toward the end of his life Lewis was asked what he thought of the practice of daily devotions. He answered,

    “We have our New Testament regimental orders upon the subject. I would take it for granted that everyone who becomes a Christian would undertake this practice. It is enjoined upon us by Our Lord; and since they are His commands, I believe in following them. It is always just possible that Jesus Christ meant what He said when He told us to seek the secret place and to close the door.”

    Lewis faithfully got into the Bible each day, and it is clear from all he wrote that the Bible got into him. In his writing, Lewis sought to focus on what he called “mere Christianity” — that is, those things most central to Christian faith and teaching, and that which is most central to the Bible.

  107. street says:

    John the Baptist, cousin to Jesus, he was filled with the Holy Spirit while he was in (Elizabeth) his mother’s womb. WOW! What if we all had had an experience like that before we were even born? Can you imagine how that would’ve affected our lives? John didn’t have a Bible… the Holy Spirit directed and guided his life (his every word and action).

    5 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

    being a priest, zacharias, was trained in the Torah and to read, as for luke he was writing things down for those who were trained in the oral traditions. the law and the prophets bring us to the knowledge of Christ and we come to Jesus and then we return to the law and the prophets? we are given a new spirit and we are perfected in the flesh? the righteous shall live by faith. from my experience the growth is slow and not without pain. faith a gift from God.

  108. street says:

    You can’t lay down any pattern for God. There are many different ways of bringing people into his Kingdom,

    10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

  109. street says:

    thinking about 34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

    And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

    6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

    42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

    If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

    1 Thessalonians 5:22-24
    22 reject every kind of evil.

    23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

  110. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 18, 2019 at 2:01 pm

    We are each responsible for our own thoughts, feelings and actions.

    And there was me thinking you had surrendered to Jesus and was following His thoughts and actions.

    Thankfully, Pooh, I have stopped listening to others who would have had me believe they had surrendered their ways to Christ while their words and actions are far from His.

    I may not know my Bible but I try to live as Jesus would want me to (not perfectly but sincerely) and I believe that pleases God as that is what my heart tells me.

    I just need Jesus to increase and myself to decrease and then others’s opinion of me shall not disturb my peace which is what God wants for me and so God willing sooner rather than later.

  111. Beloved says:

    He Lives
    Song by Alan Jackson

    I serve a risen Saviour, He’s in the world today
    I know that He is living, whatever men may say
    I see His hand of mercy, I hear His voice of cheer
    And just the time I need Him He’s always near
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Christ Jesus lives today
    He walks with me and talks with me
    Along life’s narrow way
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Salvation to impart
    You ask me how I know He lives?
    He lives within my heart
    In all the world around me I see His loving care
    And though my heart grows weary I never will despair
    I know that He is leading, through all the stormy blast
    The day of His appearing will come at last
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Christ Jesus lives today
    He walks with me and talks with me
    Along life’s narrow way
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Salvation to impart
    You ask me how I know He lives?
    He lives within my heart
    Rejoice, rejoice, O Christian Lift up your voice and sing
    Eternal hallelujahs to Jesus Christ, the King
    The Hope of all who seek Him, the Help of all who find
    None other is so loving, so good and kind
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Christ Jesus lives today
    He walks with me and talks with me
    Along life’s narrow way
    He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Salvation to impart
    You ask me how I know He lives?
    He lives within my heart.

  112. Beloved says:

    Thank you bratimus, I found my voice again.

  113. Beloved says:

    Jesus Calling devotional

    Stay on the high road with Me. Many voices clamor for your attention, trying to divert to another path. But I have called you to walk ever so closely with Me, soaking in My Presence, living in My peace. This is My unique design for you, planned before the world began.

    I have called each of My children to a different path, distinctly designed for that one. Do not let anyone convince you that his path is the only right way. And be careful not to extol your path as superior to another’s way. What I require of you is to act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with Me–wherever I lead.
    Ephesians 2:10 Micah 6:8

  114. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    Hope/pray that all is well with you all today.

    street, what you shared about Zechariah got me thinking about the miracle (a child in his old age) he received from God via the angel Gabriel. Zechariah was blameless in the sight of God, he observed all the Lord’s commandments and decrees blamelessly. Am thinking about the fact that he was a priest who had grown up studying the Torah, the ancient scriptures.

    So, why did Zechariah struggle to believe the angel of the Lord when he told him that his prayer had been heard? I understand that he was, at first, startled and afraid when he saw the angel, but he held a conversation with the angel (Gabriel). Conversing with an angel (an angel that you can see in the earth realm) is a supernatural experience! Zechariah was witnessing the supernatural, he was conversing with an angel, but he doubted the angel’s words!

    Seems to me that interaction (on that level) with an angel of the Lord would provoke FAITH in a person’s heart, mind and soul. People in centuries past didn’t have the Bible, but Mary (the mother of Jesus), Zechariah (and other believers in that day) had a deeply meaningful conversation with an angel. How many of us, in the 21st century have ever conversed with an angel of the Lord?

    Zechariah received a consequence for his unbelief. What if we received consequences for unbelief in our generation (or dispensation)? Though I have to say that if an angel of the Lord came to me and told me that the Lord heard my prayer and I was going to receive what I asked for, I would believe him. My thoughts for now…

    82 degrees and clear in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  115. jeff1 says:

    That’s a song I haven’t heard, Beloved, truly inspiring because it is so very true.

    I hide from God and run from Him but He is always waiting to catch me when I see the error of my ways and my goodness have I errored.

    Why Me Lord

    Why me Lord
    What have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the blessings I’ve known
    Why me Lord
    What did I ever do
    That was worth love from you
    And the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay
    What I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord
    I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand
    Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

  116. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    June 18, 2019 at 10:21 pm

    I needed to hear your post today as I seem to wander from the narrow path more often than is healthy for me.

    I get angry with myself when I let others disturb my peace because I do know better but that doesn’t make it any easier when others are grinding you down.

    You saw me crying in the chapel
    The tears I shed were tears of joy
    I know the meaning of contentment
    I am happy with the Lord

    Just a plain and simple chapel
    Where all good people go to pray
    I prayed the Lord that I’ll grow stronger
    As I live from day to day

    I searched and I searched but I couldn’t find
    No way on earth to find peace of mind

    Now I’m happy in the chapel
    Where people are of one accord
    Yes, we gather in the chapel
    Just to sing and praise the Lord

    You’ll search and you’ll search but you’ll never find
    No way on earth to find peace of mind
    Take your troubles to the chapel
    Get down on your knees and pray
    Then your burdens will be lighter
    And you’ll surely find a way

  117. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Jeff! You are quite frank about your misgivings here! It is true, that that anger is in yourself, and you deal with it, or rather, that is what Jesus says: Give your anger to Me
    Such a good path to learn.
    Give all our dirt to Him, and ask for His peace, and love.
    That is also why Jesus tells us to bles our enemies. Bless them, that gives a positive note to ourselves, we focus on the blessing Jesus will give.
    The other thing I do, is praying:
    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. They are on that point of critique and being overbearing, so much blinded, they think they are doing God a favor in what they do.

    But jeff, why cenverse with a person who clearly says: I do not understand….
    the problem of reading the bible.
    God does understand! Jesus does understand, God and Jesus are One.
    Oh, it is such a joureny of having our eyes focussed on Jesus.

    I was going to write about the song you gave:
    Why me, Lord,
    A nephew of someone in my church, who had been a drug addict, was saved, and he asked God; Why me?
    And God answered him: It was because of an aunt of you, who has relentlessly prayed for you, that is why I intervened on an opportune time in your life.

    Wow, just praying, what miracles can happen.
    If you are closed in in a house, but have a real living relation with your Lord Jesus, what mountains can be moved!!
    Like Bratimus says: He mainly prays and worships.

    We are devoted to a Person: Jesus our Lord and Savior,
    and connected to Him, as an outflow we touch lives.
    Putting seeds here and there.

  118. foreverblessed says:

    The Utmost of today is very good.

    As Beloved gave a devotional saying that Jesus leads each person in his own way: We follow Jesus Himself, a personal path, we do not follow a set of doctrines, or a certain theology.

    And Street gives all different examples of how God works in different lives.

    I can speak for myself, that Jesus led me personally, very personally, and His way that shone light on the path I had to follow, is not the same as many of my fellow christians. As you all know that I had a longtime routine of keeping the sabbath, from friday night sunset to saterdaynight sunset. And when I in 1993, read a bible verse:

    You are observing special days and months and seasans and years! Ifear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    Gal 4:10-11

    if you say that the Word of God is like a sword, well there it was, the sword pricked deep into my heart, touching me on a point that needed to be changed in me.

    So there I started the journey of asking God what He meant me to do. At first I thought: Well, I can keep these days, and months (all the seasans of the biblical feasts) just in a normal way, not as strict as I used to do.

    But God did not let me there in that position. He really meant it in another way.

    So He was leading me into the deeper truths of why He had given these laws of the Sabbath, the weekly Sabbath, and the yearly Sabbaths.

    But now, here comes the intrigueing part: I thought all christians looked at it as I now finally had been led to see. But when I went to mainstream chrisitianity, out of that fundamentalism, I found that many christians look at the Sunday as I did to the Sabbath. And when I started to tell about the leading of he Holy Spirit of the worth of these literal days, I met hostility. I was to be looked with suspicion anyway, for who is she that comes out of a fundamentalistic church, watch out for what she says, there are still wrong teachings around in her thinking. So I was told of, to not water down the truth of the sabbath, of keeping a rest one day in seven.

    Steve has told me often to keep for yourself, that what the Holy Spirit has given you.

    It is a personal journey.

    But I was so deeply convinced that I heard the Holy Spirit speak, and explain to me what He meant about thhe Sabbath, and I repeat it here:

    Jesus is our Sabbath rest, when we enter that Rest, we also rest from our own works Hebrews 4:10

    It is of course good to rest from physical work, one day a week, have a good weekend and start fresh on Monday. That is common sense, but not holy time.

    All time is holy, all my days are holy, and when I do my chores, as Regina often mentions she does, (Ha ha, I like that Regina) also while doing chores, it is holy time, work done to the Lord.

    O dear, that was such a long path for me, having had a science education, and then jobless, being a housekeeper at home, I was whining to God about it, 30 years ago, I have studied on a high level, and now here I am cleaning the dust and washing socks. Then 5 years ago it dawned on me, that the Work Jesus is doing all the time, is getting our dirt, taking it on the Cross, and dealing with it, what Hhe does is a mystery, but the dust and the dirt of our evil intent is thrown into the sea, and is gone, totally gone.

    So even while doing housekeeping duties, God could teach me a deep truth, the truth of the Cross.

    But resting from our own works, that is so hard:

    That is like die-ing to the old self, and living in the new man that is risen with Christ.

    Having my eyes on Jesus, while somebody is making judgments aobut you, a fellow christian, just staying calm and in the peace of Jesus dos not come autimatically: What comes automatically is our anger, our frustration. And I have to grab them, and give them to Jesus, and ask for the Good gifts form above: Gal 5:22-23

    70 times 7 a day,

    just paraphrasing these texts in another situation, as when we give our frustration to Jesus it pops up the next second we think again on how the other person did judge me wrongly. So repeat the giving of our dirt to Jesus. And be washed clean by the Word, and the Word is Jesus Himself, the Living Word, the Word that created everything was the Living Word, there was no bible at the Creation time, it was Jesus Himself.

    The Word, which is also written in the bible, but only made alive in His Spirit.

    Oh, that we may be of a humble spirit, having a sense of the soft small nudge of the Spirit, when to write, and when to stop, As I do now, and sit in the sun, the thunderstorm has just passed.

    Have a blessed day in the Lord our Saviour!

  119. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    June 19, 2019 at 4:01 am

    But jeff, why converse with a person who clearly says: I do not understand….
    the problem of reading the bible.
    God does understand! Jesus does understand, God and Jesus are One.
    Oh, it is such a journey of having our eyes focussed on Jesus.

    Forever, I have always been my own worst enemy and I used to be critical of my mum for being her own worst enemy and now here I am making the same mistakes.

    I spent my life listening to the wrong people which just goes to show you that some people don’t learn.

    I have spent most of my life grabbling in the darkness and though I have had glimpses of God in my life and when I have needed Him most the rest of life is of trials and failures that weigh heavily on me.

    Why, because no sooner have I got over one then another is raising its ugly head and I am thinking give me a break God or have I upset you so much that this is to be my penitence.

    My problem is that I don’t always see others as judging me wrongly so then I am left with the guilt and feelings of remorse and so it a cycle that keeps repeating itself because I seem to get on the wrong side of God rather than on the right side.

    I want to please God but I seem to go the wrong way about it and end up with egg on my face.

  120. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, as long as you keep your eyes on Jesus,
    and singing these gospel songs, and let the words sink into your heart,
    Be of good cheer, the Holy Spirit will get you through this.
    He will, I am sure, He did that also to me, while I had been taught by christians who had no full relation with the Person Jesus Christ.
    So I also listened to the wrong people.
    But as what you write here, all these years, your words are always on God, that He knows best.

    Look at it this way: Today you have your eyes on Jesus, never mind about the past, you have given your life to Jesus, Jesus has dealt with your past.
    When the past comes up, it is only a Phantom. In Jesus’ blood it is gone and washed clean.

    The dishwasher comes in…
    You have already been washed, Street gave many verses about this.

    May GOd bless you today, this day!

    Today, if you hear His voice
    Hebrews 4

  121. foreverblessed says:

    If you open up the links to the bible, then actually you are reading the bible!
    Praise God

    Street, June 18, 9.53 am

    thinking about the law, is that like putting them in the dish washer after they have already been washed?

    Luke 11:39 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)]
    Then the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees make the outside of the cup and dish clean, but your inward part is full of greed and wickedness.

    Luke 17:17
    So Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But where are the nine?

    9 Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head!”

    10 Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”

    Matthew 10:22-32 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)]
    And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

    24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

    26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    Mark 15:31 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)]
    Likewise the chief priests also, mocking among themselves with the scribes, said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save.

    49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

    50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

    Acts 2:39-41 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

    40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

  122. SFDBWV says:

    Jesus used the parable of the soil to explain that people are diverse. That each heart who heard the Gospel would react differently.

    People who lived during the time of the Gospel’s and Epistles when exposed to hearing the Word without an accompanying “Bible” were just as Jesus had explained.

    Some had a heart ready to receive the “Truth” accept it and grow as followers of the Word. Some were more shallow and after hearing the Word expected something that they didn’t immediately receive and soon lost interest, while others had no depth of spirit or interest of hearing the Word and the seeds of eternal life soon died out in their stony hearts.

    There was no need for a “Bible” as the Holy Spirit spoke eternal life into each heart, a heart that God had already prepared to believe in eternity.

    The same remains today, it is just that people always want more and God provides as needed to bring a lost soul home and give encouragement and comfort through His Written Word.

    Be blessed in all you do today.

    Steve

  123. jeff1 says:

    Thank you Forever and Steve your posts have heartened and encouraged me to be at peace.

    There Will Be Peace In The Valley

    Peace in the valley for me some day
    Well, I’m tired and so weary, but I must travel on
    ‘Til the Lord comes and calls me away, oh yes
    Where the morning’s so bright and the Lamb is the light
    And the night is as bright as the day, oh yes!

    There will be peace in the valley for me some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord, I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow, no trouble I see
    Only peace in the valley for me, oh yes!

    Well the bear will be gentle and the wolves will be tame
    And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh yes!
    And the beasts from the wild shall be led by a little child
    And I’ll be changed, changed from this creature that I am, oh yes!

    There will be peace in the valley for me some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord, I pray
    And there’ll be no sadness and no sorrow, no trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh yes!
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh yes!

  124. foreverblessed says:

    “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

  125. Beloved says:

    Look at it this way: Today you have your eyes on Jesus, never mind about the past, you have given your life to Jesus, Jesus has dealt with your past.
    When the past comes up, it is only a Phantom. In Jesus’ blood it is gone and washed clean.

    Worth repeating! The past won’t be resolved until Jesus is is LORD over it. The precious blood of Jesus, washes away ALL our sins. The devil is the one that keeps bringing them up. But Jesus already won the battle for our souls. Just give those taunts and jeers to Jesus He will put them in their place- under His feet.

  126. jeff1 says:

    Creator, Father, Sovereign Lord,
    My breath, my joy, my rich reward!
    Your glory be my heart’s desire,
    Your will its all-consuming fire!

    What greater good should I pursue
    Than all I am exalting You?
    O shine, my Lord, for all to see!
    Express Your smiling love through me!

    Through strength or weakness, joy or pain,
    Success or failure, loss or gain,
    Through all I suffer, all I do,
    Lord, show them always, only You!

    My God, I cannot choose my way.
    Just speak, and I with joy obey,
    This one ambition keep in view:
    To simply, humbly walk with You.

  127. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    Jeff1 did you study music and have a passion for the arts when you were a kid? Asking because I noticed how passionate you are about music and poetry.

    foreverblessed, As you know, I can totally relate to what you said about inviting Jesus into our daily agenda for chores! We all have chores… Thinking about Steve, and how often he’s torn away from the conversation on this blog because he has to go attend to chores. I don’t know how he gets them all done– chores for Matt, manly chores around the house, “husband” chores, chores for neighbors, etc.

    And yet, I do know how he gets them done– it’s the same way “we”, those of us who’ve reached a good measure of spiritual maturity, get our chores done. We’ve learned to invite Jesus into our chore agenda– asking Him to give us a good attitude about them and a supernatural zeal to do them.

    Steve, I agree with what you said about the believers in centuries past not (necessarily) needing a Bible because they had Jesus (who is the Word) present with them. And how some of His words fell on stony hearts, on almost persuaded hearts and good, godly hearts. I often wonder if life was easier back then… those people didn’t have the kind of distractions that we have now-a-days. There’s so much going on in the world now, and “worldly happenings” are constantly vying for our attention.

    Thinking that as disciples of Jesus Christ, we have to be disciplined and we have to put on self control on a daily basis. The fruit of the Spirit comes to mind… Gal. 5:22-23, NIV “the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.” The NLT says, “The Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!”

    My thoughts for now… 75 degrees and sunny (with a 40% chance for rain later on) in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  128. street says:

    Regina, why would you hope to hear an angle and not God Himself?

  129. jeff1 says:

    No, Regina, I was very poor at the subject in school and remember the music teacher making me stand outside the classroom because I yawned in his class.

    As a teenager I went to dances that would be held in our orange halls and loved listening to the bands much more than I danced.

    From then I developed a love of music from rock and roll, gospel, popular music and country and western.

    Music could always make me feel better and when I ended up hospitalized my dad would bring me in tapes of a local Reverend who sang religious songs to soothe my mind.

    My dad was a Jim Reeves fan and such a heavenly voice had this singer that I could clear my head in no time when listening to his songs which my dad played regularly in his car gazette.

    When I am not at my best I find that people well meaning as they are can upset me more but music has a calming and uplifting effect that I cannot explain because I don’t really understand it myself.

    I think you are right that there are so many distractions in the world that it is difficult to have quiet time and when I think back to when I was a child life was not near so hectic and people had time for each other whereas nowadays everyone is just too busy.

    Life was so much simpler back in those days.

  130. SFDBWV says:

    This subject brings to mind the Gnostic letters. Or perhaps best said the letters that began circulating in the early churches and gatherings of Christians.

    Even today the curious mind wants to have a look at what they say and contain.

    And yes you, as have I, heard people who call themselves Christian refer to them as possibilities of being “true”.

    There is though a guard put around a Christian heart that protects us from drinking in the poison of false doctrine.

    He is the Person of the Holy Spirit.

    When I think of the Constitution of the United States, I think of how actual few words are written, but now there are libraries filled with books of interpretations of what was said.

    Perhaps the less said is still the best.

    Foreverblessed it amazes me how so many Christians still try and be Jewish. I did enjoy your commentary.

    Steve

  131. poohpity says:

    Regina, Satan has always tried to distract people from hearing from God or His messengers. Whether back in the days of the NT writers until this day, it seems the enemy loves nothing more than to persuade us not to listen to either The Word of God or His written words. There is one piece of our spiritual armor that is an offensive weapon rather than the others which are defensive and that is the word of God just as Jesus used them when He was in the wilderness being tempted by Satan.

    Eph 6: A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. 12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

    13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared. 16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil.[c] 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    18 Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere.

  132. street says:

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay

    we love because He first loved us.

    conformed to His Love. paraphrased from to be conformed to the image of His Son. to be Redeemed. Truly Good News

    therefor be fruitful and multiply……16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    as i read this the word “baptizing” them, could you substitute the word “immerse” immerse them in the “name” of Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    John 4:23
    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

    5 And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”

    6 So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you. 7 And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? 8 But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? 9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. 10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’ ”

    definitely obedience is involved in faith. i think it interesting they ask for more faith, not obedience. i remember a story where three were seeking courage, a heart, and a brain that worked correctly.

    never forget His Grace and Mercy in Christ Jesus

    Psalm 91:3
    Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler And from the perilous pestilence.

    Psalm 124:7
    Our soul has escaped as a bird from the snare of the fowlers; The snare is broken, and we have escaped.

    Mark 3:27
    But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.

    lets go loot the strong man’s house…..looting as servants. making many rich.

  133. poohpity says:

    I guess I have never heard it to be taunts, jeers or anything negative to point or recommend reading the bible to anyone because most do it out of love and concern. For anyone to say do not listen to what I say or my understanding but read what the Lord has to say about it seems kind to say the least. But of course that is just me because I know that the enemy of God does and says anything to turn us away from the Lord and we are told in several places in the bible to fill our minds with the words and teaching of God. To think about them when we lie down or when we rise because they transform our minds which changes our hearts and when we follow them our actions because after all they are from God and there has to be a reason that He left them with us, right?

  134. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “You are already clean by the word I have spoken to you” John 15:3 NIV Why do we feel the need to be a dishwasher for others to think we can do any more cleaning than that which has already been done by the Lord?

  135. Beloved says:

    Thinking about understanding one another. Is it truly important? Can we love one another as commanded, anyway?

    We will never find the love on earth among humans that we have in the Beloved. Quote unquote.

  136. Beloved says:

    16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil.

    I know of no one here who does not have faith!

  137. Beloved says:

    We will never find the love on earth among humans that we have in the Beloved. Quote unquote.

    Or can we?

  138. foreverblessed says:

    “leave her alone”, said Jesus.
    “Why are you bothering her?
    She has done a beautiful thing to Me…”
    Mark 14:6

  139. Beloved says:

    I think Jesus loves us knowing we are all different and on different paths yet the same roadway through the narrow gate and beyond. The red letters help us through but the black letters remind us who we are, where we’ve been and how to live after the red letters are gone and now live in the mundane.

  140. Beloved says:

    Beautiful forever!

  141. foreverblessed says:

    “leave her alone”, said Jesus.
    “Why are you bothering her?
    She has done a beautiful thing to Me…”
    Mark 14:6

    That is saying in Bible language:
    Please leave Jeff alone.
    In singing all these gospel songs, she does a beautiful thing for Jesus.

    Relax, and trust that Jesus will lead Jeff.

    Nobody here is saying that reading the bible is not to be encouraged, NO one saus so.
    . NO one.

    Believe this word:
    Witje God alle tuingereedschap afdeling possible.

    Imagine mee telling my husband Evergem day to read his bible, how many fitness should I tell hij that.
    Agenda will it dawn on mee that I have toe leavee the matter Ine Gods hand?.

    So the thing remains;

    Witje God all things are possible.

  142. foreverblessed says:

    Oh dear
    That was some problem
    The auto correct putting dutch words, and I did not proofread, clearly not.
    Sorry:

    This is what I meant to write:
    Imagine me telling my husband everday to read the bible.
    And he doesn’t.
    It is called: nagging if I would go on every day telling him to read his bible.

    Although the command in itself is not wrong:
    Read your bible
    Pray every day

  143. Beloved says:

    10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.

    I wonder if sometimes we worry too much about who is clean enough, good enough, sanctified enough? Didn’t Jesus say to let the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest? Rethinking obedience; who’s responsibility is it, mine or the Body? Encouragement, exhortation, yes. It takes courage and a sincere heart to follow Jesus His way; courage God supplies through faith, even if it’s only mustard seed size faith.

  144. bratimus says:

    Steve brought the parable of sowing the seeds on different ground.

    My thought is that that in life today, many are looking for perfection. Some might see the light of Christ in someone, then think that is perfect I want that. Just because the light of Christ might shine through anyone does not mean that that persons life is perfect, it just means Christ through the Holy Spirit are lightening that person burdens, struggles, torments, and temptations. What happens when people don’t get the perfection they think they going get, they turn away from Christ and the Holy Spirit and try to find perfection some where else, and that perfection they seek else where is very deceptive. Trying to achieve outward perfection is just covering up what is missing in the Heart and that is Christ.

    As I do my chores, one of which is praying and praising through out the day, and my other chores I don’t try to be perfect at them. I’m trying to do them slowly so there done right. My first chore is the most important, and I’m in no way the perfect prayer or worshiper I let the Holy Spirit and Christ sort out all that.

    And yes short statement are the best at important things there is less chance of confusion. Look how they wrote the Bill of Rights simple and very understandable, not to much to interpret or define. Look at the laws they write in these modern times they are two thousand to three thousand pages in length and most of congress do not even read them because they hand off to lawyers to write with more double talk and loop whole that it entraps most of the US citizen in a web of confusion.

    simpler times we once had

    In the name of Father,Son and Holy Spirit
    Amen

    Bratimus

  145. poohpity says:

    dearest forever, I was not in anyway trying to dissuade Viv, from the path of Music or poetry to find peace and serenity and closeness to God. I frankly believe that is beautiful because I know the source from which those songs come from. What I was doing was defending myself against those who put me down because I read the bible. I do not put others down for the path they have taken and I understand how music soothes the soul, I do not put others down for how they make a choice to wash their own dishes either. I was not the one doing the attacking! What others do is not my business nor have I ever thought it was.

  146. poohpity says:

    Yes Amen Bratimus. The problem in most discussions or conversations is misunderstanding because we read from our own perspective rather than listening to the perspective of another.

  147. poohpity says:

    Actually what Viv does with songs is what we are taught to do in the bible. I know she may not know that but does it because that is what God has laid on her heart as worship. Eph 5:19

  148. poohpity says:

    When I first started reading the bible it was also because God put it on my heart. I did not wake up one morning and decide to read it, I saw the influence it had on my mom and the glow on her face after she finished her morning devotions. Just like when you see someone enjoying a wonderful dessert and you want to try it too. But as part of my day it became vital because for four years I put it aside and my life was miserable without it, so I went back to doing it again because life was so much better with that devotion and I do sing too but only in private as with by bible reading and prayer because I can not carry a tune no matter how much I would like to. I pity the people who sit in front of me in church they know what making a joyful NOISE means, lol. Music and poetry are integral parts of scripture.

  149. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved Pooh, you are not turninge down the singing of Jeff,
    The problem is that you contiously tell Jeff:
    To read her bible.

    Nobody is turning you down for reading your bible.
    NO-one

    But if you rejoice about Jeff singing her songs, why do you not say so?

    Just give your comments to her a positive note!
    Say that you are delighted that she sings her songs to Jesus.

    I know that you mean well!
    You want the best for Jeff.

    So do I want my husband to read the bible, in fact I want him to pray too!
    What I really desire is that he has a living relation with Jesus.
    But…

    How do I go about it?
    If I would follow your example of writing every day this:
    Anyone who loves the Lord wants to know Him better, and that is by reading the Bublé

    THAT is not the way to go.

    I am very very happy that you try to get to know your Lord better each day, day by day.

    Now with my husband, years ago the Lord showed me this:

  150. foreverblessed says:

    1 Peter 3:1-9

    Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

  151. bratimus says:

    I listen to music a lot, most songs I can reflect back to The Heavenly father. Some songs I change a word here or there, to change it so I can reflect it back to the Heavenly farther. There are some songs and even groups I can not listen to, nothing can be done those they are of the world.

    I use to sing along with many a song (or howling at the wind as I called it, didn’t have the best singing voice.)

    So Viv(I think that is Jeff1.) listen, sing or howl at the wind, if you can reflect it back to the Heavenly Father or you feel the presence of the Heavenly Father through Christ and the Holy Spirit. Then you go girl!

    I use to whistle a lot, someone once said I sounded happy when I whistled. I don’t sing a loud or whistle much anymore.

    In the name of the Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Bratimus

  152. poohpity says:

    Forever, that is where you are so wrong as Viv is I never tell her or anyone what to do, so you are so very wrong about the things I say as usual as she is. Please do share one time when I told anyone to read the bible, I have shared the wonders and joys of doing it but never told anyone to do it.

    Now back to the scenario of the commercial. Many people feel that they need to clean up their act before they come to God so what is the use for a dishwasher but for those who know that God does not ask us to clean up our act before we come to Him, He says to just come to Him. In others words just put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher and let it clean them. Just put yourselves in the hand of God and let Him cleanse us but sadly people believe that so much depends on them and they do not trust God or believe that He is capable or able to change the hearts and lives of those who follow after Him, they think they can do it themselves.

  153. bratimus says:

    I have read the Bible front to back I don’t know how many times. Do to allergies and being tired my Bible is down to the bare minimum my eyes get tired and I get a headache sometimes so I read some here and some there. I pray mostly reading to much of the Bible some can over think it and that could create doubt. Through Christ and the Holy Spirit things I say and type should reflect the word of God, and if need The Heavenly Father can use my bare arms to print His words that need to be read. I go sleeveless a lot. If Your aligned with Christ and the Holy Spirit the word of God should be imprinted in WE hearts. I have no doubt about that!!!

    In the Name of the Heavenly Father, Son and the Holy Spirit
    Amen

    Bratimus

    P.S. those who read, read Those who sing, sing those who pray, pray All should worship and praise God!!!

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, you did not read the bible because your mother said toe you every day:
    “When one loves their Lord, one wants to get to know Him better, so one reads the bible.”

    Indeed, your mother did not do that.

    Your mother just read her bible, and had a glow on her face.

  155. jeff1 says:

    God Knows Best

    Our Father knows what’s best for us,
    So why should we complain-
    We always want the sunshine,
    But He knows there must be rain-
    We love the sound of laughter
    And the merriment of cheer,
    But our hearts would lose their tenderness
    If we never shed a tear . . .
    Our Father tests us often
    With suffering and with sorrow,
    He tests us, not to punish us,
    But to help us meet tomorrow . . .
    For growing trees are strengthened
    When they withstand the storm,
    And the sharp cut of the chisel
    Gives the marble grace and form . . .
    God never hurts us needlessly,
    And He never wastes our pain
    For every loss He sends to us
    Is followed by rich gain . . .
    And when we count the blessings
    That God so freely sent,
    We will find no cause for murmuring
    And no time to lament . . .
    For our Father loves His children,
    And to Him all things are plain,
    So He never sends us pleasure
    When the soul’s deep need is pain . . .
    So whenever we are troubled,
    And when everything goes wrong,
    It is just God working in us
    To make our spirit strong.

  156. poohpity says:

    Forever most of the time I speak anything about reading the bible is because the topic speaks about it, like this one does, as did the last one but rather than seeing it as applied to the topic some take it personally when it was NOT meant that way. So stop accusing me of telling Viv or anyone else what to do in regards to reading it. Tell Mart to stop writing about the bible then I will stop writing about it.

    By the way it was not only the influence of my mom but the Lord that put the hunger in me. If my mom and I were talking on this blog I am sure she would talk about the topic and if it included the bible then she would speak of reading it. This is a blog that we talk about Christian issues which includes the bible so get over it, OK.

  157. Beloved says:

    Dear bloggers,

    4 May the Lord give you increase more and more,
    You and your children.
    15 May you be blessed by the Lord,
    Who made heaven and earth.

  158. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    street, You misunderstood me… Although I would love to converse with an angel, I would, of course, much rather converse with God. I was just putting myself in Zechariah’s shoes. In centuries past, God communicated with His servants through angels. Thinking about Daniel now… the angel (Gabriel?) was trying to get to him with the answer to his prayer, but he was hindered by the prince of the Persian kingdom for 21 days (Dan. 10:10-14 any version).

    jeff1, Even though you didn’t have a good experience with music in school, it’s obvious that the Lord gave you a godly passion for it (I love music too… I sing in the choir at my church), and I’m so glad that God uses music to minister to you (and all who need it)… mind, body, spirit and soul. And I agree with you that life was a lot simpler (at least for some) about 4 or 5 decades ago.

    pooh, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, and I ((LOVE)) the Bible passage you shared. Those are some of my *cornerstone* Bible verses! Well, off to do some quiet reading. Will chat with you all again later.

    ps. My area in the lone star state didn’t receive one drop of rain today… I was kinda looking forward to it.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  159. Regina says:

    Aww! Just read your precious prayer, beloved… Thank you (a beautiful flower goes right here)!

  160. foreverblessed says:

    Acts 2:42-47
    They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

    43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles.

    44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

    46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts.

    They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

  161. foreverblessed says:

    I had a fresh look are this periode again:
    They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching
    and to fellowship, to breaking of bread and to prayer.

    Here it is not mentioned that they searched the scriptures, as did the Bereans.

    It is said here that they devoted to the teaching of the Apostles.

    It is also said that every day they were meeting in the temple.
    Did they not have a job?
    I was in the impression, from my YouTube, they came to the temple to search the scripties, but it is not mentioned.
    They came for the meeting together

    And all the eating together, what lots of chores there must have been ( for the women?)

    And they were enjoying the favor of all.

    Shen you read the bible commentaries, you can read that in that beginning there was no theology, no creed, all was pretty new:
    The teaching of the Apostles,
    There must have been lots of quoting of what Jesus had said.
    It could also be so that the quotes of Jesus were so well-known, no need to write them.
    Just a thought.

  162. foreverblessed says:

    When they came together, they had no bible.
    When they went to the temple they could not read the scrolls.

    They devoted themselves to the teaching of the Apostels.
    And lots of eating together, every night.
    And praying.
    In the commentaries they say: every night they broke bread, IT appears this is the Communion, always together with a meal.
    In their homes, ( so they did not sell their homes, but lived in Them)

    They are called love-feasts in the NT.

    That was all in the excillirating first few years! Ten years, twenty years?

    But in much later years, misuse of this practice, made Paul give his instructions to the Corinthians:
    First eat in your own homes when you are very hungry and then come together
    1 Cor 11:17-34
    He gave a solemn warning to recognise the body of the Lord…

    They were love-feasts in the very first years, the disciples were all so impressed by all that had happened, Jesus still fresh in their memory:
    The Risen Lord.

  163. foreverblessed says:

    As a child I was in a church that was bible based, I would always say: The Old and the New Testament, equally as important.
    And when we came together, in church, bibles were opened on every lap, and a notebook too, a pencil taken out. ANd every body would search each scripture in thier own bibles and take notes.
    I loved the bible studies the best, bible verse after bible verse on a certain topics. And the vey best I found all the propheices in Isaiah, talking of everything made new, talking about the lion living with the lamb.
    So don’t take me wrong, I really love bible studies.

    We did not have a church gathereing every week, so my dad would make a bible study for our family, he thought of question, and typed them out, with carbknpaper, so with copies, coming out of that typing machine. And we would sit around the table, and all of us would look inot our own bibles, and write down the answers, and my dad would talk it over, with us. THat was marvellous. I really loved it.
    (And it appears that of all my siblings I was the only one who really looked forward to this) ANd often my dad would ask us to write a story, in our own words, or make a drawing. And I loved drawing.
    My dad would make quick drawings of people, sometimes to explain things a little better.
    I loved that too.
    Later I heard that for my older brother this was a nightmare, he hated drawing, and still he had to do it.
    (So everybody has his own story, even while growing up in the same family)

    When myu dad saw that I was very serious in studying my bible in my own room, just without anybody telling me to do so, he bought a new bible for me, a big King James bible, leather bound, with gold on the edge of the paper. Really beautifull bible, with wide margins, so I could write notes in it.
    I remember doing a bible studu on faith, all bible verses about faith I would give a pruple color, all bible verse with love I would give a red color.
    And so it goes on, till I got stuck in colors, because many bible verses have both faith and love, and it was getting quite a bit overwhelming for me. Yellow was for another topic, I cannot remember which. So I quit giving colors. In 1981 there appeared a new translation of the bible in modern language, with all the new knowledge added to it, in these scrolls that were found, and gave new insighht into many things. THe Internaional Version, and the words spoke more to my heart, so there was the end of the King James bible.
    Now I try to read in my own language, but it does not have the same depth the english has. THat seems strange to me, but our church was an english speaking church, and we got english lessons by Readers Digest, also arranged by my dad, and so the bible language for me is english.

    So what I want to say is this, that I really enjoy bible studies, that I enjoy reading my bible.
    That I have always done so, except for the years that I came out of the Old Covenant way of thinking, being unhitched form the Old Covenant, then I could only read scripture in tracts, taken out of the bible, and put in the context of:
    Grace

    When I would look it up in my own bible the old convenant thinking jumped out of the pages and would grab me. That was a terrible time.
    So I also know what it is to not be able to read the bible…
    ANd I know that it is not about reading the bible, but about meetint the Person Jesus Christ, through the scriptures, and when not possible, without the scriptures….

    It is seeing Him face to face

  164. foreverblessed says:

    I have trouble posting, what I just have posted does not appear on the screen, what last thing did I send, I should have an archive on my own computer to remember what was already sent.
    Maybe time to stop now.

    with one last bible verse, this can be said when we read in the bible in the meek and humble attitude of the Spirit of Jesus Christ:

    Let Him kiss me with the kisses of the mouth

    Song of Solomon 1:2

  165. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, thank you so very much for your sharing of your life experiences with your faith.

    This is how I see BTA a success, not about being able to quote Scripture as much as how our actual walk with Jesus has interacted and influenced our lives.

    Similarly like you early on in my “Christianity” I struggled with, especially the Old Testament, in the King James. Not so much with the New Testament, but there was always a struggle to understand. But never the Psalms. The Psalms seemed to speak to me especially from King James.

    It was when I was about 30 that I received a “Living Bible” that really opened up my understanding of the OT and with it I became a voracious reader of Scripture. Somewhere along the intense study of Scripture though I found it best for me to use both the Living Bible and the King James.

    I began to see the other (not the Living Bible) interpretations going too far or just completely changing the meaning of Scripture verses for whatever purpose they wanted to project forward.

    When a child like you I loved drawing, I also enjoyed carving. I continued in well into adulthood, but as my life become more busy and intense I found I had less and less time for myself and now even less. So one of the enjoyments I had to give up was art.

    Art is that creative ability to transfer your view and emotion into something tangible. I was actually able to use that skill in my work as a fabricator of metal and builder of stone and wood.

    It is very satisfying.

    Over time I soon learned to ask God to bless the work of my hands for each and every thing I undertook. As a result He would bless me in ways I could see and appreciate and acknowledge as a gift from Him.

    Again that you for sharing a piece of your walk with God.

    60 degrees and a cool drizzle of rain.

    Steve

  166. SFDBWV says:

    As you can see you are not the only one with typing mistakes.

    Steve

  167. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve,
    Thank you for your story, I enjoyed that very much too!
    May God give you some extra “art” time sometime.

    the auto-correct made a word beginning with a t into a Dutch word:
    Tuingereedschap….
    tuin is garden
    gereedschap is utensils.

    Utensils to wirk with in the garden

    Make that together with the continuing topic we have here about

    the parable of the seeds

    garden utensils

    Tuingereedschap

  168. foreverblessed says:

    I might not be ablt to post for a while, no wifi

    God bles you all,
    and especially Pooh, I only wanted to give you some advice about how to talk with Jeff, but as it seems you are not very well open to advice.

    “Be not overbearing, be gentle with others.”

    You may take it as an advice, or you may leave it, all in peace,
    I did it with the Love of Christ.
    No mean intentions at all, none at all, just for the peace of christians communicating here.

    My day is just as good whether you listen to me or whether you don’t, because always I am a beloved child of God, and so are you.

  169. jeff1 says:

    Regina says:
    June 19, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    jeff1, Even though you didn’t have a good experience with music in school, it’s obvious that the Lord gave you a godly passion for it (I love music too… I sing in the choir at my church), and I’m so glad that God uses music to minister to you (and all who need it)… mind, body, spirit and soul.

    Yes, it is true, Regina, whenever others or the world at large are disturbing my peace I only have to listen to gospel music and I feel restored.

    Forever, your understanding amazes me and you have wisdom that surely comes from God.

    Pooh, I think whether you mean to or not you see me less of a follower of Christ for not reading my Bible. I actually do not disagree with you as I see myself much more as a believer taking refuge in Christ than a follower of His.

    I am saying to you that having come from a religious divide I seen the Bible used wrongly (taken into the workplace and used so that one denomination could claim to be more knowledgeable than the other). That is not showing reverence to the word of God and so not all that know the Bible use it for honourable purposes.

    I am not saying that is a reason not to read it but rather it concerns me that people use it for the wrong purpose.

    I don’t see my lack of learning from the Bible as hindering me knowing God as I find connection through music, poetry, beauty, people and church services.

    It is a personal choice as what meets one person’s needs does not meet an others.

    God asks us to seek Him and He doesn’t make demands as to how we do that so whatever brings a person closer to God is their own choice.

    I won’t tell the fisherman who told me he felt closer to God fishing than he ever did in a church that he was wrong because I have no authority to do so.

  170. SFDBWV says:

    Good day to you Vivian. In reading all you say and your love of music I am reminded that in the Book of Job 38:7 KJV I see that in the very beginning of creation there was “singing”.

    Music whether with instrument or with the voice is a gift from God that He gave us from the very foundation of the world.

    Music is as much a part of us as is our thoughts and our instincts.

    I hear music everywhere in nature, and especially when I come to that place of praising God, sometimes it seems almost more than I can handle, emotionally overwhelming.

    Stand fast with your faith and with your relationship with Jesus, if He wants something different from you I can almost guarantee He will anoint you so as you can and will deliver whatever it might be He wants from you.

    Be at peace and strong in your faith.

    Steve

  171. jeff1 says:

    Thank you for your encouraging words Steve.

    The Triumph of Faith
    (John 14:27-31)

    Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have a peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

    3 Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

    Christ’s Sacrifice for the Ungodly
    (Genesis 22:1-10; John 3:16-21)

    6For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7It is rare indeed for anyone to die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! 10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! 11 Not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

    Death in Adam, Life in Christ
    (Genesis 3:1-7)

    12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.

    15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16 Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

    18 Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

    20The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  172. Beloved says:

    Forever I enjoyed reading about your childhood!

  173. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    forever, I, too, enjoyed reading your comment about your childhood experience with the Bible. I think it was very good of your dad to have Bible study with you and your siblings, and it was a special blessing for you (and him) when he gave you a Bible. Where were you born, and are both of your parents Christians? I find it very interesting how you learned the English language. I’m curious about how your parents were able to get the (English translation) of the Readers Digest. I also think the English language is easily understood (in comparison to other languages in the world), and more meaning can be extracted from English words.

    Are you dutch? I’m asking because you said your computer keeps translating some of the words that you type to the dutch language. If you are dutch, are you familiar with the book, “The Diary of Anne Frank?” What you said about the English language makes me wonder what language will be spoken in heaven.

    I can only wish that my parents would’ve given me a Bible when I was a child. My dad was mean, apathetic and he had a carnal mind. My mother is born again, and a disciple of Jesus Christ, but, when I was a child, she didn’t include me in her relationship with Jesus. I remember seeing her pray a lot, but she never asked me to pray with her and I don’t ever remember her touching me to pray for me. It could be because she didn’t have a close relationship with my grandmother.

    When I was about 12 or 13 years old, my uncle (dad’s brother) gathered me and my siblings in his car and took us to church, and we went to church with him and my aunt for about six years. That’s one of my earliest memories of being exposed to the life-changing power of the Bible. My uncle played a major role in my life in regards to cultivating love and respect for the Bible as the true Word of God.

    Steve, also enjoyed reading about some of your early experiences with the Bible, and what you shared about the necessity and mysterious beauty of music in the scriptures, in nature, in your life and as a worshiper of God. My thoughts for now… Will chat more later on.

    87 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  174. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Jesus and the apostles this verse came to mind (with an explanation added):

    2 Peter 1:19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention has to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    What does 2 Peter 1:19 mean?
    The “transfiguration” was the moment witnessed by Peter, James, and John when Christ was revealed in His bright and shining glory (Luke 9:28–36). The voice of God from heaven declared that Jesus is His Son (2 Peter 1:16–18). The reality of that event confirms the Old Testament prophecies. Peter has the privilege of eyewitness testimony, of both that single event and all of Jesus’ other signs. This vindicates everything which had been written about the Messiah by the prophets of old.

  175. bratimus says:

    The Heavenly Fathers first gift to us was free will, and are free will is usually what gets us caught up in all the test and trails WE face. Weather from are own choices or from choices other humans make because of their free will.

    It is written “Do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

    God dose not have double standards as man/woman does. so won’t God turn the tables on some that that have done to others that they would have done to themselves. All those double standards out there, that are going get some.

    I try to leave people be to their own lives, mind my own business as they say. question is do I get treated like that in return. God know the answer to that, and He can turn the tides on those who don’t respect others privacy. This is all about the power of God’s will.

    Just a Thought not directed at anyone here just clearing my head.

    In the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
    Amen

    Bratimus

  176. Beloved says:

    Isn’t that wonderful! Seeing the connection between the black letters and the red letters more clearly now.

  177. Beloved says:

    I’m also thinking maybe because they were eye witnessed of the transformation and seeing hearing knowing Him (even Paul saw Jesus

  178. Beloved says:

    Oops, posted too soon..
    Transfiguration not transformation

    (Even Paul saw Jesus on the road, causing him blindness) that they experienced Him so deeply in their hearts they didn’t need to share His words but they, like us, became living testimonies of Jesus as LORD, in whom we live and move and have our being. Our very lives testify to Jesus’ words, or not. Being transformed reveals enough of Jesus’ influence, right?

  179. Beloved says:

    The great commission, go tell, comes to mind also. Tell what? That the long prophesied Messiah had come!! As was said, they only had the Torah and the prophets to read or hear about. The Ethiopian Eunuch was privy to scripture because of his status, but needed an eye witness to explain, being led by the Holy Spirit of God.

    Just thinking

  180. Beloved says:

    Sorry bratimus did not see your @11:12 post, my thought train was on a roll!

  181. Beloved says:

    Bratimus I was reading about God being sovereign. Is He sovereign over our “choices” also? Just thinking.

  182. bratimus says:

    Steve said that that it was 60 and drizzling where he lives, we live so far from each other almost same conditions. question is “Is The drizzle good or bad”

    Bratimus

  183. street says:

    This morning as I was thinking. Is Jesus enough? The question came at me this way. If I were never to hear or see scripture again will I be saved? God told Moses that He would go with him. I do thank Him for what He has given me. As the Father He bids me come and ask. Sometimes be still and know. Today is a new day.

  184. Beloved says:

    If I were never to hear or see scripture again will I be saved?

    Yes! Even if I had a terrible accident and lost my sight and hearing, or were taken captive in a dark prison, or just got too busy with tv, pop culture, gardening fishing or whatever it’s Jesus that saved me. Not anything I did. But I think He would find a way to lead me. Unless I mindfully decided not to go with Him. Some do. But then I’d have to question whether they ever really knew Him at all. Just my thoughts.

  185. street says:

    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.

    8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

    grace and mercy in Christ Jesus
    Jesus will never leave you nor forsake you.

    No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

    Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the Lord your God disciplines you.

    “Blessed is the one whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty.

    2 Thessalonians 3:8
    nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you.

    1 Timothy 4:10
    That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

  186. bratimus says:

    Beloved wrote

    Bratimus I was reading about God being sovereign. Is He sovereign over our “choices” also? Just thinking.

    It would not be much free will if God went around making all are choices for us. I’m sure He tries to guide us in making making the right choice. God dose not want us to be drones all doing the same thing. We have the choice God’s good nature or human nature, we all know where human nature will lead us. God is sovereign over all thing and His will, will win in the end, and if God offer anyone the choice to work towards His will, what would people choose.

    Volunterring for Duty

    Bratimus

  187. jeff1 says:

    Lead us, heavenly Father, lead us
    o’er the world’s tempestuous sea;
    guard us, guide us, keep us, feed us,
    for we have no help but thee;
    yet possessing every blessing,
    if our God our Father be.

    Savior, breathe forgiveness o’er us;
    all our weakness thou dost know;
    thou didst tread this earth before us;
    thou didst feel its keenest woe;
    yet unfearing, persevering,
    to thy passion thou didst go.

    Spirit of our God, descending,
    fill our hearts with heavenly joy;
    love with every passion blending
    pleasure that can never cloy;
    thus provided, pardoned, guided,
    nothing can our peace destroy.

  188. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Off topic here, but have to share
    Both the ODB and the Utmost for His… devotional were a *blessing* to me this morning! Want to share the scripture reference for the ODB and a portion of the Utmost devotional here…

    Scripture reference for ODB:
    Psalm 46
    1 God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.
    2 Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way
    and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea,
    3 though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging.
    4 There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God, the holy place where the Most High dwells.
    5 God is within her, she will not fall; God will help her at break of day.
    6 Nations are in uproar, kingdoms fall; he lifts his voice, the earth melts.
    7 The Lord Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.
    8 Come and see what the Lord has done, the desolations he has brought on the earth.
    9 He makes wars cease to the ends of the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the shields with fire.

    10 He says, “Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.”

    11 The Lord Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.

    And here’s the devo for Utmost for His… (Oswald Chambers) this morning (I’m compelled to share, pretty much, the entire devotional):

    “Have You Come to “When” Yet?

    The Lord restored Job’s losses when he prayed for his friends. —Job 42:10

    A pitiful, sickly, and self-centered kind of prayer and a determined effort and selfish desire to be right with God are never found in the New Testament. The fact that I am trying to be right with God is actually a sign that I am rebelling against the atonement by the Cross of Christ. I pray, “Lord, I will purify my heart if You will answer my prayer— I will walk rightly before You if You will help me.” But I cannot make myself right with God; I cannot make my life perfect. I can only be right with God if I accept the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ as an absolute gift. Am I humble enough to accept it? I have to surrender all my rights and demands, and cease from every self-effort. I must leave myself completely alone in His hands, and then I can begin to pour my life out in the priestly work of intercession. There is a great deal of prayer that comes from actual disbelief in the atonement. Jesus is not just beginning to save us— He has already saved us completely. It is an accomplished fact, and it is an insult to Him for us to ask Him to do what He has already done.

    This is the portion I found to be the most thought-provoking…

    If you are not now receiving the “hundredfold” which Jesus promised (see Matthew 19:29), and not getting insight into God’s Word, then start praying for your friends— enter into the ministry of the inner life. “The Lord restored Job’s losses when he prayed for his friends.” As a saved soul, the real business of your life is intercessory prayer. Whatever circumstances God may place you in, always pray immediately that His atonement may be recognized and as fully understood in the lives of others as it has been in yours. Pray for your friends now, and pray for those with whom you come in contact now.

    Wisdom From Oswald Chambers

    We never enter into the Kingdom of God by having our head questions answered, but only by commitment.
    The Highest Good—Thy Great Redemption

    Love to all,
    Regina

  189. Beloved says:

    Still thinking about what “saved “ means..

    A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus
    1You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men1 who will be able to teach others also. 3Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. 5An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. 7Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.

    8Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, 9for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11The saying is trustworthy, for:

    If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
    12if we endure, we will also reign with him;
    if we deny him, he also will deny us;
    13if we are faithless, he remains faithful—
    for he cannot deny himself.

  190. SFDBWV says:

    First day of summer…57 degrees and more drizzle.

    A busy day ahead, blessing to all today.

    Steve

  191. bubbles says:

    Happy first day of summer. Day 19/21 of overcast sky that looks like rain again.

  192. poohpity says:

    Regina, Oswald Chambers makes it sound like because of Job’s prayers that God restored the losses of Job but I believe it is more of a time line “then” not a because of “then”. Although I believe OC was right about praying for others, helping not only one’s relationship with them but also as proof of one’s redemption and relationship with God. It does seem better all the way around rather than a sharp retort or accusations, etc., praying for others instead brings healing into any relationship.

    Job 42: After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.”

    After Jesus came the whole sacrificial system was finished. We no longer have to ask to be forgiven, it was done. All we have to do is admit or confess the reason why we need forgiveness. If one can not see that in their own life they will be less likely to be ministers of grace to others.

  193. poohpity says:

    wow Steve and Bubbles are certainly on the same page today at the same time.

  194. phpatato says:

    Steve and Bubbles – I feel your pain. The weather in my neck of the woods has been miserable. My closet has become a mix of 3/4 winter clothing and 1/4 summer clothing. I liken it to a box of chocolates…from day to day, you never know what you’re gonna get. I have used the furnace more than I have the a/c this month. I usually stop using the furnace completely mid May.

    We had rain yesterday. This morning is cool, mostly cloudy with peeks of sun. The wind makes it feel like a fall wear a jacket day; but if the weatherman is correct, the weekend looks to finally be summer-like with sun and highs in the upper 70s.

    I am hoping that with the turn of the page from spring to summer, the weather for you both turns into beautiful as well.

    Pat xo

  195. Beloved says:

    Same here Pat. (The heat is off so I’ve been using my stove to take the chill out in the mornings.). Must be because we are about the same latitude or longitude as with Steve I’m thinking. Rainy and 65-70 today. Mostly temps in 45-50 at night and 60’s during the day so far. Nice actually for me, I don’t do heat well. But the air quality is GOOD! Easy breathing today. No fires from Canada (if there are any yet) affecting us so far. They sprayed our building inside and out for spiders-ants-pests finally. Last year was bad as new owners did not spray for bugs or weeds. Those creature comforts sure are a blessing, thank you LORD. My cat doesn’t know whether to shed or keep her fur, lol.

  196. Beloved says:

    Blessings to all, also.

  197. street says:

    poo said, Although I believe OC was right about praying for others, helping not only one’s relationship with them but also as proof of one’s redemption and relationship with God.

    helping one another in relation to God, as proof of ones relation to God, Father like son. job was acting like a priest in relation to the lost in the things that pertained to God. Jesus Our High Priest. Jesus said He could only do what He saw the Father do. thinking it would be nice to see Jesus or the Father exclusively. the pure in heart shall see God. grace and mercy.

    it seemed job had difficulty in seeing God and wanted to call Him into court. job decided to withdraw his complaint in the pretrial.

    We no longer have to ask to be forgiven, it was done. All we have to do is admit or confess the reason why we need forgiveness. If one can not see that in their own life they will be less likely to be ministers of grace to others.

    “i” have to take up my cross daily. taking up the cross is an admission of guilt and sin. denying myself is a change of mind, which is by definition to repent. receiving mercy is the hard part too. some still think they can work it off, not entering rest or be good enough to earn life and freedom, righteousness and Holiness. we are only holy in the present of Jesus. He makes us Holy. in the temple, the temple is only holy because of the presents of God. same as the ground moses found himself sanding on.

    john the baptist prepared people for the coming Savior, yet we saw many turn away from Him because of the things He said. do the things we say turn people away? does my heart get crushed when that happens? we are told to be very careful how we build on the foundation. not by flesh and blood but by the Spirit of Christ.

    when Jesus says your sins are forgiven, do we believe Him? paul asked since we are under grace should we continue to sin? learning to abide, whether sitting sanding or walking in the Spirit, is the way forward. yet even the ones who heard those words had to wait till Pentecost. trust hope and love.

  198. jeff1 says:

    It is the distractions in this world and the consequences of sin, my own, and others that burden me and so I rest in Christ because He understands where others fail to.

    One Day at a Time

    I’m only human, I’m just a man/woman
    Help me believe in what I could be and all that I am
    Show me the stairway
    I have to climb
    Lord for my sake
    Teach me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time, sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m asking from you
    Give me the strength to do everything that I have to do
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Help me today
    Show me the way
    One day at a time.

    Could you remember
    When you walked among men
    Jesus, you know when you’re looking below
    It’s worse now than then
    Pushin’ and shovin’ crowd in your mind
    Lord for my sake
    Teach me to take
    One day at a time

  199. street says:

    Lord do not deceive me.
    Give me the Light of the world.
    Drive out the darkness.
    Cleanse me by the blood of the Lamb.
    Sustain me with godliness with contentment.

  200. Beloved says:

    Death to self..

    My Utmost
    We must get to the point of being sick to death of ourselves, until there is no longer any surprise at anything God might tell us about ourselves.

  201. Beloved says:

    The Benefits of Suffering

    By sufferings only can we know
    The nature of the life we live;
    The temper of our souls they show,
    How true, how pure, the love we give.
    To leave my love in doubt would be
    No less disgrace than misery!
    I welcome, then, with heart sincere,
    The cross my Saviour bids me take;
    No load, no trial, is severe, That’s borne or suffered for His sake:
    And thus my sorrow shall proclaim
    A love that’s worthy of the name.

    JEANNE MARIE DE LA MOTTE-GUYON, 1648-1717

  202. jeff1 says:

    What when I don’t see my suffering was for His sake but rather because of hatred and violence handed down in two cultures religiously and politically opposed to each other.

    What if I see the suffering as consequences of bad choices made by people whom God was far away from when they made those choices.

    What if I was one of those people and the misery felt is consequences of hatred and violence where love played no part.

    What if the suffering I see is from human depravity and not for the sake of Jesus or the Gospel?

    I am not playing at devils advocate but evil visited this land and I was part of it and the burden of guilt weighs heavily on the heart when it feels far from God.

    I have never suffered for the Gospel so why would I claim to but rather I have suffered for living in a fallen world where I have known depravity because I was part of it.

    Sin does separate me from God and no one knows that better than a sinner!

    All the prayer, taking of Holy Communion, confession makes me feel closer to God and it is in that closeness that my heart feels assured of His forgiveness.

    My peace comes from God’s faithfulness and not my suffering for His sake.

  203. SFDBWV says:

    What are the letters of the OT, but the God inspired words of the men whom God used to speak to the Church and to those whom such words would take root in their hearts?

    The question I ask is, did God stop using people to write or speak His inspired word with the Book of Revelation?

    Or is God still inspiring and using Disciples of Jesus to speak today?

    Seeing that the original Disciples who wrote the Epistles of the NT did not quote Jesus, why do todays Disciples seem only to do nothing except quote both the ancient words of Jesus as well as those of His original Disciples?

    Are there nothing new to reveal from God?

    Or has everything Gods wants us to hear already been said?

    Do we each have a Book?

    The low this morning was 51, it does feel more like early fall than summer, but summer has only began, I am sure there will be plenty of hot sticky weather ahead for us to complain about.

    Be thankful for all God gives you today.

    Steve

  204. poohpity says:

    Does running from our past help us in the future, no, not really but if we learn from the past then all the failures, faults, trials are something that God can turn around for good and they become lessons we learn from.

    As long as I have been reading the bible there is always, always something new that God reveals. It seems like when I am ready to learn, God opens my eyes and heart to the newest revelation. It never gets old and whenever life presents struggles, trials or blessing then what was learned comes to mind. His word never returns void, it is a comfort and a guide, it brings to remembrance how God is faithful and it transforms the way I think by getting rid of the garbage I often fill it with and replaces it with truth. *A lot of people really do not want to know the truth they are satisfied with garbage. (*disclaimer that was not directed at anyone in particular on here)

  205. poohpity says:

    I think God left us His history to learn from so that life will go well so we are not only learning and growing but as a guide for doing what is good. We learn we will never be perfect but in the process of growing He has taught us how to reach out to others and be good stewards of all the great gifts He created.

    The NT writers did not need to quote Jesus because they were a living quote by their actions and most of the letter were to correct the influx of false teaching that was creeping it’s way into the newly formed churches and the many problems that were arising. They did not need to quote because their lives were a living testimony. The Gospels seem to be written to share who Jesus was so that by believing in Him they might have life and they shared with everyone that Good News, that God came down and lived among sinners because they needed a Savior(dishwasher), the same Savior that was promised from the beginning of the very first sin of not listening to God and doing things their own way(washing dishes by hand).

  206. jeff1 says:

    I haven’t found that people learn from their past but quite the opposite they repeat the mistakes of it.

    Thank goodness that God overturns our decisions in His favour so that we do not continue to suffer from the consequences or loss we bring about through our ignorance of His ways.

    Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son

    Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory, thou o’er death hast won;
    angels in bright raiment rolled the stone away,
    kept the folded grave clothes where thy body lay.
    Refrain:
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won.

    Lo! Jesus meets us, risen from the tomb;
    Lovingly he greets us, scatters fear and gloom;
    let the Church with gladness, hymns of triumph sing;
    for her Lord now liveth, death hath lost its sting.
    Refrain:
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won.

    No more we doubt thee, glorious Prince of life;
    life is naught without thee; aid us in our strife;
    make us more than conquerors, through thy deathless love:
    bring us safe through Jordan to thy home above.
    Refrain:
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won.

  207. bubbles says:

    This is good sleeping weather! My cousin in Colorado had hail and cold weather that messed up his flower bed.

    Have a good day to everyone here.

  208. poohpity says:

    If one does not learn the lessons of their past they will continue to make the same errors over and over again until they do. Seems pretty masochistic doesn’t it? I wonder if it isn’t because of blame or making excuses and never taking personal responsibility that they continue to make them over and over again expecting different results?

  209. jeff1 says:

    I don’t believe they do want different results but it has taken me a long time to see that and why I have encouraged both my sons to leave.

    I wanted to believe differently because I love the country but I see division and blame is still in peoples hearts and minds and I have had enough of it so if they cannot move on then I will encourage my children to move out as I do not want them to live with the same violence and hatred I did.

  210. Beloved says:

    I haven’t found that people learn from their past but quite the opposite they repeat the mistakes of it.

    Broad is the way of destruction but narrow the path to life! I have come that they may have life, and that more abundantly, said Jesus.

    Quote Unquote
    Those who knew Jesus didn’t have to quote Him because they KNEW Him. The letters in circulation to the churches were more housekeeping matters and encouragement. But I’m sure their individual church leaders spoke of Christ as they had been taught and received Him to tell the Good News of the death burial and resurrection of the One who died for their sins.

    Ahha! Thanks Mart great topic!

    (Although I may be wrong)

  211. bratimus says:

    I would tell Steve one thing about today’s modern life, we don’t write letters like we use to write. With the tech world we live in, we type(and I learned on a old type writer keys were space out, keyboards so tight pack together no wonder I have so many typos my hands don’t fit on keyboards.) email, comment on different blogs. How many take time to write a hand written letter.

    If are words reflect the words of Jesus or letters of the of the Bible then we are doing alright.

    Even if there were inspired letters and writing of the Holy Spirit out there by the time they got through the publisher there would be so much editing and re-writing the true meaning might be lost by the time it was set to print.

    Some might even ask this of the Bible so many versions so many decades going to print, I hope not(cause if so some are in some big trouble.) I’m sure God in His all knowing wisdom gave us the His words in the Bible to be guided by the Holy Spirit even if man fouled a few thing up.

    Just a thought (tired today trying not to think much LOL, how I long for perfect rest.)

    In the Name of the Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit
    Amen

    Braimus

  212. Beloved says:

    I’ll Praise My Maker

    I’ll praise my Maker while I’ve breath,

    And when my voice is lost in death,

    Praise shall employ my nobler powers;

    My days of praise shall ne’er be past,

    While life, and thought, and being last,

    Or immortality endures.

    Happy the man whose hopes rely On Israel’s God;

    He made the sky,

    And earth, and seas, with all their train;

    His truth for ever stands secure,

    He saves the opprest, He feeds the poor,

    And none shall find His promise vain.

    Lord pours eyesight on the blind;

    The Lord supports the fainting mind;

    He sends the labouring conscience peace;

    He helps the stranger in distress,

    The widow and the fatherless,

    And grants the prisoner sweet release.

    I’ll praise Him while He lends me breath,

    And when my voice is lost in death,

    Praise shall employ my nobler powers;

    My days of praise shall ne’er be past,

    While life, and thought, and being last,

    Or immortality endures.

    ISAAC WATTS, 1674-1748 AL. JOHN WESLEY, 1703-1791

  213. street says:

    living in a fallen world. a living being under a sentence of death.
    dying in a body of weakness.

    given a life giving Spirit, by substitution/adoption in faith. given a living hope and a love that never ends for His Name sake.

    yes we try to run away from difficult things, but God is always ahead of us and He is faster and He is behind us too. jonah tried a 180, unforgiveness and judgmennt, and God’s love found him and the enemies of His people. the cross is difficult,but the only way. thanking God for the grace and mercy in following Jesus.

    have i learned to put down the stone in my hand? thinking of david and Absalom. david found mercy before God, Absalom did not find mercy before Joab.

    thinking of the two prostitutes solomon had to decide who’s son it was. the one with the life giving spirit….

  214. SFDBWV says:

    Simply by quoting Scripture I can create a division amongst believers, by each person’s belief in what they may now mean to them. Either literal or there being open to individual interpretation.

    A six day creation will spark a heated discussion right here amongst our fellow bloggers.

    Sexual sin will also pull the scab off of wounds right here and again cause hurt or a deeply emotional disagreement with what is written.

    Has God changed His attitude concerning the things warned about in the writings found in the letters of the NT?

    The great commission was, and I guess still is, to go and make Disciples of all nations.

    So if then we as Christians are indeed followers of Christ are we not Disciples as well?

    Do we then only quote the Bible, or do we ever speak for God via the Holy Spirit? How do we know if and when we do? Is it important for us to know, as long as His message is delivered?

    Most would say that any message we may deliver to the Church or to each other must not disagree with Scripture or it is not from God.

    And as far as delivering prophesy to the Church, it is written that the proof of prophesy is that it is 100% correct every time given.

    I leave you with this comment for the remainder of the day. Long ago a song by Simon and Garfunkel made the statement that the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls. I wonder just how true those words actually are.

    Just some more things to thing about on a blog titled “Been Thinking About.”

    Steve

  215. poohpity says:

    I think if people look at the God who wanted to have a relationship with people and how He taught them how to have relationships with other people as well one may look a scripture through different eyes. The Gospels were proof that God wanted a relationship with people and the letters were written by those who did have that relationship. All relationships need work and have to put one’s self into bettering the relationship because it takes two.

    I do not know about you guys but I had to teach my children how to live in a world that other people also live and it was not all about them. They had to be taught to pay attention to the needs of others, what doing good is, how to get along with others, how to think before they acted and that everything was not about them. They had to serve consequences so they would not repeat certain behaviors, I did not rescue them from experiencing those consequences by making excuses for their behaviors.

    I could have blamed the fact that they only had one parent so that is why they misbehaved or because they were going through something hard so they act up but those are only excuses and excuses or blame never help anyone grow up to be functioning adults interacting with others.

    God wants to have a relationship with us so everything He does seems to back that up and from having that open and honest relationship with Him we learn it is OK to be open and honest with others because if the God who knows even our inner most parts wants to have a relationship with us we can have no fear of being real with others.

  216. Beloved says:

    I was just reading a book about walking in the spirit. The author (David Jeremiah) explains that the way to stop sinning, whatever the sin, is to walk in the Spirit, repenting of sin as often as needed even if many times a day! Pray all day if need be. It’s easy to make excuses for sin, which is the devil influencing us. But the only way is to keep being filled with the Spirit.

    When my son was about 8 or so he said he thought satan was in his bedroom. I told him to tell Jesus and he would be fine, and prayed for him also. I never heard anything more about it and he never had anymore problems sleeping. Both of my kids have turned out to be very good, loving, thoughtful, caring and overall flourishing in their work and communities. I always hear what good people they are in their church, neighborhoods and businesses. My influence as a godly Christian single parent is evident. I did not preach at them so much as living the life, walking the Walk. My son has depression my daughter has anger issues toward me, but I too have depression and have dealt with anxiety all my life. We are not perfect and not walking perfectly with God. The devil has had his influences of course, and still tries. In the meantime I pray my children will allow God to have more and more of their wounds and scars, to be real with God who already knows everything we struggle with. Perhaps it will take a Job-like experience to learn God is sovereign over everything, good and bad. And to Glorify Himself in the experience. Time will tell of course.

    Come, LORD Jesus. Send your Holy Spirit with fire, burning up the dross and leaving the Gold of Your righteousness for God’s great Glory, Amen.

  217. street says:

    Do we then only quote the Bible, or do we ever speak for God via the Holy Spirit? How do we know if and when we do? Is it important for us to know, as long as His message is delivered?

    the New Testament focuses on the “implications” of Jesus’ life, suffering, death, resurrection, the Spirit he sent, and the attitudes and actions by which his followers are known.

  218. jeff1 says:

    I know I was taught more the importance of believing that Jesus died for my sins than I was that God wanted a relationship with me.

    The emphasis was that I couldn’t have a relationship with God because of my sin and that Jesus interceded in making my relationship right with God.

    So I understood that when I failed that God would not be angry with me because of Jesus’s sacrifice.

    It is in prayer, confession and communion that I seek God and draw closer to Him and that is possible because of what Jesus has done on the Cross.

    We cannot make one shoe size fit all because it doesn’t.

  219. bratimus says:

    Thank you Steve now I have something to think about today, when I was trying not to think ouch headache LOL.

    You make very good points,

    Christ is are way back to God, after sin divide us away from God. The Holy Spirit is to guide us on are walk with Christ back to God. That is the only divide we should be worried about the divide between us and God.

    I won’t go into the other stuff Steve, don’t want to start any arguments, that’ what made me stop posting for so long. I try to stay out of arguments, it is very unproductive especially in discipleship, Paul and Peter had this problem.

    In the Name of The heavenly father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Bratimus

  220. Beloved says:

    Thinking further about what I said about the influences of a Godly Christian mom, I have to give God all the credit for changing me and teaching me through influences at church and other Christian women who came alongside me when I was first coming out of darkness. It was brutal, had to relearn pretty much everything and am still struggling with relationships and how to feel safe and not stressed around people. I’m sure my daughter took on some of my anxiety early on. It’s quite common. But it’s so good to see His daily influence in her life! He gets all the glory. I agree with Viv, it’s not a one size fits all walk, but we do have a one size fits all God!!

  221. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Happy 2nd day of summer!

    pooh, I don’t think O.C. meant to make it sound like when Job prayed, all was restored… he meant, “when Job *prayed* for his friends” all of his lost possessions were restored (he also had more children). Thank you for sharing the scripture reference… that Bible passage provides credence for *why* the Lord provided abundantly for Job.

    Good to hear from you, bubbles and pat! Wow… I kind of envy all who are receiving rain in your neck of the woods. I love rain, but we get (mostly) really hot days in my area. Who’s ever heard the song…

    “Summer in the City” (Lovin’ Spoonful)

    Hot town, summer in the city
    Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty
    Been down, isn’t it a pity
    Doesn’t seem to be a shadow in the city

    All around, people looking half dead
    Walking on the sidewalk, hotter than a match head

    But at night it’s a different world
    Go out and find a girl/guy
    Come-on, come-on and dance all night
    Despite the heat it’ll be alright

    And babe, don’t you know it’s a pity
    That the days can’t be like the nights
    In the summer, in the city
    In the summer, in the city

    Cool town, evening in the city
    Dressing so fine and looking so pretty
    Cool cat, looking for a kitty
    Gonna look in every corner of the city
    Till I’m wheezing (?) like a bus stop
    Running up the stairs, gonna meet you
    on the roof top…

    Sometimes, the really hot weather in my town seems endless, and the first stanza of that song fits perfectly! Where do you live, bubbles, pat and beloved?
    I never tire of hearing about your cat, beloved! I love cats, but I’m not in a position to get one yet. My thoughts for now…

    87 degrees and mostly sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  222. Beloved says:

    Regina I live almost straight north of you, just a couple hundred miles from the Canadian border. My sister, brother, live in LA. So have been there in the summer; awful. It was for me just like being in winter up north, staying inside mostly. Think I’ll stay where I’m at, lol.

  223. jeff1 says:

    I have heard the song, thank you for the memories.
    I love cats too and there is one (not my own) that lies under a bush in my garden where it gets the sun and I love to see it.

    I might get a cat of my own at some stage and my friend who lives opposite me has a house cat and she talks to me frequently of how she finds the cat such good company.

    Animals are so affectionate and often more understanding than humans.

  224. jeff1 says:

    I believe cats have a sixth sense and I will explain why.

    When I was younger and living at home we had a cat and one evening I noticed it behaving very frightened as it huddled
    into a corner and the fur was standing up and I remember saying to my sister there is something wrong with the cat. I had no sooner said the words than there was an explosion which we would later discover went off some yards from us at a garage. It seems the cat knew before the bomb went of.

    Another cat we had my mum told my dad to take it to a farmer friend some seven miles a way and the next day it turned up on our door step. We could not believe it had made its way back.

  225. Beloved says:

    Viv I know my cat is quite sensitive to sound and can hear when someone is going by my door often before I do. What a story about your cat and the explosion! I’ve heard of dogs that know when a person is about to seize so why not a cat? Harder to train though, lol. Impossible, really! But she’s got me trained pretty well -(

  226. Regina says:

    You live in a pretty cold region of the world, bubbles. I’ve never been to a really cold state or country during the winter months. And I don’t think I have any extended family in your neck of the woods or the surrounding area. I’m pretty cold natured, and it’s good for me that I live in a really warm state. So, like you, I think I’ll stay where I’m at…

    You’re welcome re: the “summer in the city” memories, jeff1… You’re fortunate to be able to be around a cat on any level. And I know cats make great company. My best friend has 4 cats and two dogs. Her cats are pretty reclusive. They only roam around the house when she’s not entertaining visitors. I went to visit her awhile back, and we were sitting on the couch conversing about something. Well, one of her tom cats came out of hiding, jumped on the couch and laid right next to me (with it’s tail gently going up and down). She was so shocked (with her mouth wide open)! He let me rub his whole body, and he was purring when I did. She said she’d never seen him do that with anyone except me. Cat sensitivity doesn’t shock me either…
    You’re spot on re: a sixth sense. Indeed, cats have a mysterious sense of *knowing*, they’re extremely loyal to their human parents/family members, and I think they’re one of the smartest and affectionate animal species in the world.

  227. Regina says:

    Correction: “bubbles” should be “beloved”… Apologies, beloved and bubbles!

  228. SFDBWV says:

    Oh dear, 42 degrees under a clear sky this morning with a big chunk of moon laughing down at us.

    However the heat is on its way for the next foreseeable days of weather.

    The cool nights are better sleeping weather by far.

    I agree Bratimus it is best here among the few people who comment not to stir up argument by challenging accepted beliefs.

    My point though was in concert with Mart’s question, why didn’t the writers of the Epistles quote Jesus.

    It almost seems that with the last words of the Bible there has been no further revelation from God to His Church.

    That all communication, with the exception of what people believe to be personal, ended and we are left with Scripture for direction and approval from God.

    It has been said here before that Moses gave the Hebrew people the Law at Sinai and that Jesus gave a new law at the Sermon on the Mount.

    The writers of the Epistles also give the Church regulations in every aspect of living.

    With the exception of blood sacrifices the “ordinances” of the NT align with the Laws of Moses with regard to living amongst others.

    We as a Church quote all of given Scripture, believing it to be as if Jesus Himself said each word.

    Do any of you believe Jesus still speaks to the Church today? Is what He says quoted?

    Would you believe someone if they said Jesus told them to say something to either them or the body of the Church?

    Or are the words of Jesus evident today as the “signs of the times”?

    Well the sun is about to rise and I do enjoy a sunrise.

    Steve

  229. jeff1 says:

    I believe Jesus speaks to individuals who are seeking Him today.

    The diversity of the Church makes it difficult to see if Jesus still speaks today.

    I think it would depend on what they had to say.

    Yes, the words of Jesus are evident today as the “signs of the times” which shows scripture as right but not necessarily my interpretation of it.

  230. bratimus says:

    I’m going off memory on this thought,

    At the time all the “Letters” (Epistles) were written, was it not illegal to follow this new teaching of this Jesus fellow. Paul was in on Stephen’s death, before his conversion. Most of Paul’s letters were written when he was in the Roman’s custody head to Rome. So if the letters had Jesus “quotes” in them wouldn’t the holders of the letters have a death sentence put on them. The quotes of Jesus would come with face to face meetings, Paul did mention a few of his helpers in some of the letters.

    In the name of the Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Bratimus

  231. poohpity says:

    The Good News(Gospels) which taught us who God is through Jesus Christ and His desire to be in a relationship with us while the letter’s are from those who have surrendered their lives to Him. Did they have the need to quote Jesus? My hunch is if they needed to they would have since their lives were surrendered to Him.

    Why does one quote Jesus now because many may not know who Jesus is and what He came for so one quotes to share His Good News so that they will come to believe?

  232. poohpity says:

    During the time that the Gospels and the letters were written disciples were willing to give up their lives or be imprisoned to share their beliefs. Jesus forewarned them that the cost they would face in their belief would be harsh and would often result in death from those who did not believe. If people hated Jesus then people would hate them too.

  233. poohpity says:

    Within each letter is the very reason that the letter was written and to whom it was written.

  234. Beloved says:

    Today, few Christians familiar with Jesus’ teachings quote chapter and verse in discussions of issues with other Christians. Familiar with Jesus’ teachings as well as principles from the Scriptures as a whole (including the Old Testament), they allude to general principles based on a common understanding. This was what Paul did. Paul made dozens of allusions to the teaching of Jesus without quoting Him directly, just like Christians do today.2When Paul wrote his epistles, the Gospels hadn’t yet been written, but the stories, parables, and teachings that would be eventually written down on papyrus and parchment were already a treasured common possession of the apostolic Christian community. There still were hundreds of eyewitnesses of the events of Jesus’ life adding to and correcting the store of common knowledge and providing the contextual background for everything Paul and other Christian leaders said or wrote.3

  235. Beloved says:

    questions org

  236. poohpity says:

    The Gospels are like an autobiography while the letters are like His people writing the biography of Jesus.

  237. bratimus says:

    I wasn’t really pointing to the writers of the letters. I was trying to say that maybe the writers were aware that the letters could have been read by anyone in authority of the time, and the writers didn’t want to cause the couriers or receivers any more hardship then they were already under. Here in the U.S. we are a little spoiled we can freely mention the name of Christ, right.

    I hear many say God, but not to many say Christ or mention the Holy Spirit. It’s through Christ we get back to God. So why don’t I here the name anymore.

    Straightening out my thought

    Bratimus

  238. street says:

    Today, few Christians familiar with Jesus’ teachings quote chapter and verse in discussions of issues with other Christians.

    and even fewer can discuss the Word of God in the Spirit of God. mart talked about a disarming of enemies in such a way that they become friends, by a new Spirit.

    thinking about the transfiguration, ” “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

    Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

    wonder how many times God was speaking to me through others, but i only heard the other person?

    seems to me the confusion will end in His presents.

    then the bearing of the cross an a.c.t.s. of love.

  239. bubbles says:

    Hello, Regina. Well, my location is way south of Steve and Glenna’s place and at a lower elevation. They receive much more snow and frost and cold weather than here. Sun is out today and it feels great!

    Love to all here. Have a good day.

  240. jeff1 says:

    Our praise we are bringing
    With hearts of thanksgiving.
    With joy and with singing
    We thank You, O Lord!
    Your goodness surrounds us.
    Your power astounds us.
    Our wonder abounds as
    We thank You, O Lord!
    Behind and before us,
    You heal and restore us.
    Your love evermore is
    Our strength and our song.
    Our praise we are bringing
    With hearts of thanksgiving.
    With joy and with singing
    We thank You, O Lord!

    For laughter and living,
    Receiving and giving,
    For love so uplifting,
    We thank You, O Lord!
    So freely You bless us.
    You daily refresh us
    Through people so precious.
    We thank You, O Lord!
    For tenderly caring,
    For guiding and sharing,
    Forgiving, forbearing
    Through all of our needs,
    Our praise we are bringing
    With hearts of thanksgiving.
    With joy and with singing
    We thank You, O Lord!

  241. street says:

    It almost seems that with the last words of the Bible there has been no further revelation from God to His Church.

    Do any of you believe Jesus still speaks to the Church today?

    i was at church today and as i listen, did i hear God?
    if the heaven pour forth speech daily that is not heard with the ear, then there is a speech that goes forth that is not heard by the ear. God spoke into/at nothing and there was light.

    “What no eye has seen,
    what no ear has heard,
    and what no human mind has conceived”
    the things God has prepared for those who love him

    10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

    ….11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.

    26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. 27 A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”

    28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses’ aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!”

    29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!” 30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.

  242. Beloved says:

    Do any of you believe Jesus still speaks to the church today?

    The Never-forsaking God
    By Oswald Chambers

    He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” —Hebrews 13:5
    What line of thinking do my thoughts take? Do I turn to what God says or to my own fears? Am I simply repeating what God says, or am I learning to truly hear Him and then to respond after I have heard what He says? “For He Himself has said, ‘I will never leave you nor forsake you.’ So we may boldly say: ‘The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?’ ” (Hebrews 13:5-6).

    I’m reading this as it was spoken to the church. Do I believe God still speaks today? Either the scriptures are a mere historical text to be studied OR it is the written Word of God to all generations, and living through the Spirit of God. Who leaves who? Does the church stop listening and go the way of the world (Revelation), leaving it’s first love- no longer listening to its Source and Author?

    Yesterday at coffee someone said they told their pastor that with all the tornadoes lately we should be worried because God is trying to tell us something. Her pastor replied, “Now now Lavonne, don’t go there”. I said to her, “God is always speaking”. Subject closed but the seed was dropped.

  243. bratimus says:

    Speak to a Child some time it might amaze you, don’t talk at them talk to them. children have interesting ideas-thoughts. Just like are prayers, don’t pray at God, pray to God. Even with people many have the tendency to talk at, instead of talk to.

    Bratimus

  244. Beloved says:

    I was waiting for a rebuke. Talking to people 1:1 is my strength. However, in a hostile group setting sometimes just a couple words of Truth is more than enough to get people thinking in the quietness of their dark, lost and lonely lives, after the snickering is over and the coffee pot is empty.

  245. street says:

    trust in God….to believe in future grace, a grace and mercy that will not end and sustain me, even though everything else says otherwise.

    abraham, 100 years old, received what was promised even though his body was as good as dead…..even obeying God on that three day journey with the son of promise.

    recipients of the Spirit of God by faith, were by we pray, “Father…..” i remind you Jesus put an “Our” before Father. it’s a lot more interesting when brothers and sisters are together talking about Dad.

    thinking about what steve said earlier about division. Jesus said He came to make that happen.

    Luke 12:51
    Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

    49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

    Matthew 3:11
    “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

    this could get interesting!

  246. jeff1 says:

    [Verse 1]
    I keep fighting voices in my mind that say I’m not enough
    Every single lie that tells me I will never measure up
    Am I more than just the sum of every high and every low?
    Remind me once again just who I am, because I need to know

    [Chorus]
    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, You say I am Yours
    And I believe, I believe
    What You say of me
    I believe

    [Verse 2]
    The only thing that matters now is everything You think of me
    In You I find my worth, in You I find my identity

    [Chorus]
    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, You say I am Yours
    And I believe, I believe
    What You say of me
    I believe

    [Bridge]
    Taking all I have and now I’m laying it at Your feet
    You have every failure, God
    You’ll have every victory

    [Chorus]
    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, You say I am Yours
    And I believe, I believe
    What You say of me
    I believe

    [Outro]
    Oh, I believe
    Yes, I believe
    What You say of me
    Oh, I believe

  247. Beloved says:

    Viv it’s so interesting how God shows His power through the weakness of our vessels. We bring nothing into the world we leave with nothing. Blessed be the name of the LORD, Jesus!

  248. Beloved says:

    Street said ” Our Father”. I’ve been struggling with finding a Bible study group that wants to talk about Jesus and not just do historical bible study and share aches and pains. Pray for me.

  249. poohpity says:

    You can have a bible study everyday with the very one who inspired it and helps us understand it. Like having your own special tutor to guide you through God’s word and we just have to show up to listen and learn. Just think of it personal, private and all questions welcome and even answered.

  250. poohpity says:

    Day by day
    Day by day
    Oh, Dear Lord
    Three things I pray
    To see thee more clearly
    Love thee more dearly
    Follow thee more nearly
    Day by day

    “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” C. S. Lewis

  251. street says:

    Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.

    come to me all ye that are burden and heavy laden.

    I will give you rest.

    and yes street will continue to pray even when the Holy Spirit has to step in daily.

    i just love a High Priest that never fails.

  252. street says:

    19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.
    20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    Jesus prayer before the press.

  253. Beloved says:

    Thanks for the reminder, street. I get easily distracted by the enemy. I appreciate your contribution here. Bless you and all who hear His voice.

  254. street says:

    I get easily distracted by the enemy.

    ditto

    praying for my contemporaries on been thinking.

  255. poohpity says:

    After the coming of the Holy Spirit we can see God more clearly and then can see our need of Him. In other words we gain more knowledge of God and more knowledge of our need by seeing ourselves more clearly and honestly. It is the Lord that shines His light into our own hearts and His word is a very important tool for that very reason. He can also help us see more clearly the many ways the enemy filtrates even God’s own word to twist and distort so that many come away with a skewed view of God and themselves.

    In Paul’s second letter to those in Corinth which he wanted spread around to all the newly formed churches that there would be those who used God’s word for their own personal gain not to bring glory to God but under the disguise of being devoted to God but it was for their own promotion;

    “But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent. You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed….

    They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve.”

  256. poohpity says:

    It seems that many of Paul’s letters dealt with the distortion of the Gospel and he gave us things to watch out for. Was there a need to quote Jesus for that?

  257. poohpity says:

    Although Paul did not quote Jesus he taught the same thing Jesus did, that many would come in His name but they would not even know Him(Jesus that is). Lot’s of warnings in that area in the letters, the distortion of the Gospel message which can happen when one takes scripture out of context to prove a point and that point is often not the Good News.

  258. SFDBWV says:

    Ok let me ask if any one of you here truthfully believe that the Holy Spirit actually chooses the Roman Catholic Popes.

    Have in your opinion, any of the decrees from the Pope for the last 2000 years been an instruction from the Holy Spirit meant for the enlightenment and instruction to the Body of Christ?

    Was the separation of the Protestant church from the Roman Catholic Church a movement of the Holy Spirit?

    What new, if any, instruction has the Holy Spirit given to the Protestant Church, presently or in the past?

    Steve

  259. poohpity says:

    Well the very thing that most letters were confronting was the fact that people have a built in desire to work for what they get as most religions teach as in washing their dishes by hand themselves rather than turning things over to the things God has done putting them in the dishwasher so to speak.

    If religions are man made and run by people of course there is going to be distortions. We have only One High Priest and if people think one needs to go through them to get to the Father then they do not understand the Gospel nor do they belong to Christ. The is only one body (church), one spirit and one hope. Eph 4:4-5

  260. poohpity says:

    The very reason why the Catholic Church objected so severely to getting the bible into the hands of the people but then came the reformation that Martin Luther brought and getting the bible into the hands of common man so found they did not need to go through any other High Priest but Jesus.

  261. street says:

    21 The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah.

    22 In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah, the Lord moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and also to put it in writing:

    23 “This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:

    “‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Any of his people among you may go up, and may the Lord their God be with them.’”

    Jeremiah 20:7
    [ Jeremiah’s Complaint ] You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me.

    Jeremiah 20:10
    I hear many whispering, “Terror on every side! Denounce him! Let’s denounce him!” All my friends are waiting for me to slip, saying, “Perhaps he will be deceived; then we will prevail over him and take our revenge on him.”

    1 Kings 22:21-23

    21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’

    22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

    “‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

    “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’

    23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

    2 John 1:7
    I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

    1 Corinthians 2:2
    For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

  262. bratimus says:

    Wow Steve,

    What a question,

    Roman Catholic not my religion, might not be a question I should answer, might be a question for members of that religion should answer.

    Have to pray and think on this.

    Bratimus

  263. Beloved says:

    Wheat and Tares-deceivers- who can really know for sure? But for me, Steve, it doesn’t matter because God is, I believe, according to scripture sovereign over the affairs of mankind. His will will be done.

  264. poohpity says:

    street may I ask what has the capture of Israel by Babylon have to do with anything now. Wasn’t what Jeremiah had to say specific to Israel the reason for their captivity and what they were to do during that time? If there is a lesson to learn, it is what happens when people turn their backs on God and look to man to solve all their problems.

    The answer to Steve’s questions are already answered in scripture. Modern day Pharisees.

  265. Beloved says:

    23 “Am I a God at hand, declares the Lord, and not a God far away? 24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

  266. bratimus says:

    Like I said not my pope not my religion, God does not like religion you can get caught up in to many traditions and rituals, which takes away from worshiping and praising of God through Christ and the Holy Spirit. Besides speaking out against the Roman Catholic can get you labeled as a heretic LOL or excommunicated LOL.

    Bratimus

  267. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 40 21Do you not know? Do you not hear?

    Has it not been told you from the beginning?

    Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

    22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,

    and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;

    who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,

    and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

    23 who brings princes to nothing,

    and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.

  268. Beloved says:

    ◄ Colossians 3:23
    Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,

    The principle here is to work as to the LORD whether a slave, prisoner, deacon, elder or boat captain. Yes, even a pope as named by the people. Going back to your question Steve of whether the Holy Spirit appoints popes, all those in authority are placed by God. The scripture alludes me at the moment. You probably know it.

  269. street says:

    God used a foreigner to accomplish His will.

    thinking further…hitler stalin and moa accomplished God’s will by revealing to mankind what we are like apart from God. our hope is not in government or man but God and His Son Who has revealed Him.

    steve mention whether God has revealed anything new since the end of Revelation. in 1 John 1 it speaks of “manifested” and “light”. new light, from an unchanging God, is new to the one who receive what they had not before. this avenue is the same way we receive outside influences into our less than perfect hearts and minds. God known Word and Spirit is our defense against the constant inflow of a tide that seeks to destroy us. the same strength that upholds us and sustains us when we pass through the waters/chaos.

    granted government fall short, yet we are to support them in accord with Gods Spirit and Word. they are apart of God’s permissive will till the King returns.

    thinking of how it is so natural for a christian to go on defense when they hear something about God that just doesn’t sit right, whether from a christian or non. i think it’s the offense that gets us into so much trouble. paul seemed to be an expert when on the offense.

  270. street says:

    thinking of 1 John again where he speaks of his handling and touching the Word of God made fresh. yet God and man have worked to place His Written Word, not only in our hands, but in our hearts and minds.

    4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

    these things we live, so that our joy may be complete.

    a living sacrifice.

  271. foreverblessed says:

    Hello everyone, I’ll see if this is posted, we are in Italy, high in the mountains, and such a lovely place!

    God reveals more of His deeper truths, the mysteries of the Kingdom, when we obey Him.
    We believe, we obey, and He reveals more.
    So it is normal that different insights appear, not all obey Jesus, to every insights they are given:
    Jesus says not to judge the heart of another, but some say they have a right to do so.
    So there you go, to such a person, no more insight is given,
    But God’s heart burns with love for them anyway. He will find a way.

    Quote unquote on John 14:1
    Believe in God, believe in Me also

    “Upon any honest principle of interpreting these Gospels, and unless you avowedly go picking and choosing amongst His words, accepting this and rejecting that, you cannot eliminate from the scriptural representation of Jesus Christ the fact that He claimed as His own the emotions of the heart to which only God has a right and only God can satisfy.

    I do not dwell upon that point, but I say, in one sentence, we have to take that into account if we would estimate the character of Jesus Christ as a Teacher and as a Man. I would not turn away from Him any imperfect conceptions, as they seem to me, of His nature and His work-rather would I foster them, and lead them on to a fuller recognition of the full Christ-but this I am bound to say, that for my part I believe that nothing but the wildest caprice, dealing with the Gospels according to one’s own subjective fancies, irrespective altogether of the evidence, can strike out from the teaching of Christ this its characteristic difference. What signalises Him, and separates Him from all other religious teachers, is not the clearness or the tenderness with which He reiterated the truths about the divine Father’s love, or about morality, and justice, and truth, and goodness; but the peculiarity of His call to the world is, ‘Believe in Me.’ And if He said that, or anything like it, and if the representations of His teaching in these four Gospels, which are the only source from which we get any notion of Him at all, are to be accepted, why, then, one of two things follows. Either He was wrong, and then He was a crazy enthusiast, only acquitted of blasphemy because convicted of insanity; or else-or else-He was ‘God, manifest in the flesh.’ It is vain to bow down before a fancy portrait of a bit of Christ, and to exalt the humble sage of Nazareth, and to leave out the very thing that makes the difference between Him and all others, namely, these either audacious or most true claims to be the Son of God, the worthy Recipient and the adequate Object of man’s religious emotions. ‘Believe in God, in Me also believe.’

    From MacLarens expositions biblehub

  272. street says:

    thinking of 1 John again where he speaks of his handling and touching the Word of God made fresh.

    ops

    thinking of 1 John again where he speaks of his handling and touching the Word of God made “flesh”.

  273. Beloved says:

    John 1, right?

  274. jeff1 says:

    C.S.Lewis quote:

    For the church is not a human society of people united by their natural affinities but the Body of Christ, in which all members, however different, (and He rejoices in their differences and by no means wishes to iron them out) must share the common life, complementing and helping one another precisely by their differences.

  275. Beloved says:

    I believe that this Bible is a living book, that God has given it to us and that we dare not add to it or take away from it. It is revelation. But revelation is not enough. There must be illumination before revelation can get to your soul. It isn’t enough that I hold an inspired book in my hands. I must have an inspired heart. There is the difference. You can memorize all the texts of the Bible—and I believe in memorizing—but when you are through you’ve got nothing but the body. There is the soul of truth as well as the body. There is a divine inward illumination the Holy Ghost must give us or we don’t know what truth means. Conversion is a miraculous act of God by the Holy Ghost; it must be wrought in the spirit. The body of truth is not enough; there must be an inward illumination. Christ’s conflict was with the theological rationalist. It revealed itself in the Sermon on the Mount and the whole Book of John. Just as Colossians argues against Manichaeism and Galatians argues against Jewish legalism, so the Book of John is a long, inspired, passionately outpoured book trying to save us from evangelical rationalism, the doctrine that says the text is enough. Textualism is as deadly as liberalism.

    A W Tozer,
    God Still Speaks

  276. Beloved says:

    tozer Continued:

    Now the theological rationalists say that your faith should stand not in the wisdom of man but in the Word of God. Paul didn’t say that at all. He said your faith should stand in the power of God. That’s quite a different thing.

  277. Beloved says:

    One more quote from tozer:

    If a sinner goes to the altar and a worker with a marked New Testament argues him into the kingdom, the devil will meet him two blocks down the street and argue him out of it again. But if he has an inward illumination and he has that witness within because the Spirit answers to the blood, you can’t argue with that man. He will say: ‘But I know.’ A man like that is not bigoted or arrogant, he is just sure.

  278. poohpity says:

    Paul did say, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.” Romans 10:17 All illumination of scripture comes through the Spirit, it is only words on a page without that Spirit that resides in the heart of every true believer and that one can be just sure of, confident. Eph 1:13-14 But if one does not truly believe or trust, the Holy spirit is not within them to illuminate scripture and those who do not have that Spirit just use the words to prove their point, not God’s!

  279. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    Pray all is well in your lives. It rained really hard in my neck of the woods last night. It was a real slasher with what sounded like small pieces of wood hitting the windows, but when I opened my eyes on the new day this morn… the storm had passed.

    forever, Wow, the mountains of Italy, eh? Are you on vacation? Steve, to answer your question re: if I believe the Holy Spirit chooses Roman Catholic Popes, my answer is a resounding, “No”… There are “3” who bear witness in our spirit that we are children of God– God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. My heart is ((bursting)) with love for Them!
    You also asked if the Holy Spirit has given the protestant church any new instructions, past or presently, and my answer is, “No”… All of His instructions (on how to live a God-honoring life) are in the Bible, and the Bible will never be outdated as it’s the Word of the “Ancient of Days.” Further, Jesus is our High Priest, and we won’t ever need another.

    Hello, bubbles… If you live way south of Steve, my guess is that you live in the “sunshine state.” Well, off to watch a little “boob tube” and/or read before I turn in for the night.

    74 degrees and clear skies in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  280. street says:

    compare John 1 with 1 John 1 same Author same vantage point.

  281. jeff1 says:

    Steve, your questions are thought provoking and since I live in a country where religion still divides I know how ignorance of God has consequences.

    I might add that since my mum was scathingly critical of the Roman Catholic church but living in a row of catholics where we were the only protestant family she made friends with many and while she believed they were brainwashed in their religion and was not shy at voicing this opinion they where good neighbours.

    My mum herself was not a religious woman but had she been would be much more aligned to protestant thinking.

    I would agree with Regina that the Bible has the truth that religions don’t have and it is more the interpretation of scripture that troubles me than the authenticity of it.

    I have seen the Bible used for the wrong reasons so reading the Bible in itself is no authority to speak for God.

    The Bible has to speak for itself and how I interpret it is from a heart for God otherwise I loose its authenticity.

    While Pooh may be right that the Roman Catholic church had its reasons for not wanting the Bible available to common man I have seen common man abuse the reverence of the Bible and they were not from the Roman Catholic religion.

    Thank goodness God sees the heart of man without religion as does it really matter the building I worship God but rather the sincerity of heart when doing so.

  282. jeff1 says:

    Just a Closer Walk With Thee

    I am weak but Thou art strong
    Jesus keep me from all wrong
    I’ll be satisfied as long
    As I walk, let me walk close to Thee

    Just a closer walk with Thee
    Grant it, Jesus, is my plea
    Daily walking close to Thee
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be

    When my feeble life is o’er
    Time for me will be no more
    Guide me gently, safely o’er
    To Thy kingdom’s shore, to Thy shore

    Just a closer walk with Thee
    Grant it, Jesus, is my plea
    Daily walking close to Thee
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be

  283. Beloved says:

    Yes! I figured that out after I asked yesterday. Wish there was a delete button here. Oh well. What’s said is said, unfortunately, sometimes,

  284. Beloved says:

    Forever hope you are enjoying your holiday, God bless and keep you and your husband.

  285. poohpity says:

    It has been my experience over the 30 years that it is the Holy Spirit that interprets scripture for those who seek and search for God through them and the truth about ourselves. The very purpose of the scriptures in the first place.

    There are many church denominations and doctrines but one that teaches scripture is what I look for before going. When you put believers in a room or home or any other type building that is a gathering of the body of Christ in other words the church. People seemed to start different denominations because of a difference in opinions as they took one specific part of the bible out and focused on that rather than knowing the bible is a whole book that with many parts but one purpose. If one loses sight of that purpose then yes the whole can get skewed into many directions but the most important part to any church is to teach the words and works of Jesus so that the members can learn of the great love that God has for us. No one can go wrong if that is the goal.

    While reading through the bible I could see where most denominations veered off into their own categories but most Christian churches have the same basic beliefs about the Trinity, virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, the coming of Holy Spirit and the authority of scripture. Most churches make available their statements of faith when one looks up a church in the “about” section.

    I don’t think anyone can actually ever fully understand the love God has for us but we can get a glimpse of it over the centuries through His written word and His Word (Jesus). It is a search that has it’s very own type of reward a deeper relationship with God. There are some who wish to keep that relationship more like an acquaintance rather than an abiding intimacy but that is their loss but God wants an abiding intimacy with us as He has proven since the beginning of man.

  286. poohpity says:

    I know it is a personal relationship with God we seek but it is better lived out within a community (the church) because no one alone can find comfort or help, it takes others along the journey. If the body were only an eye it could not function without the other parts to make it whole body we need each other.

    As Paul put it in his first letter to the church in Corinth;

    The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. 13 Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.

    14 Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part. 15 If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything?

    18 But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. 19 How strange a body would be if it had only one part! 20 Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. 21 The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.”

    22 In fact, some parts of the body that seem weakest and least important are actually the most necessary. 23 And the parts we regard as less honorable are those we clothe with the greatest care. So we carefully protect those parts that should not be seen, 24 while the more honorable parts do not require this special care. So God has put the body together such that extra honor and care are given to those parts that have less dignity. 25 This makes for harmony among the members, so that all the members care for each other. 26 If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it, and if one part is honored, all the parts are glad.

    27 All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. 28 Here are some of the parts God has appointed for the church:

    first are apostles,
    second are prophets,
    third are teachers,
    then those who do miracles,
    those who have the gift of healing,
    those who can help others,
    those who have the gift of leadership,
    those who speak in unknown languages.

    29 Are we all apostles? Are we all prophets? Are we all teachers? Do we all have the power to do miracles? 30 Do we all have the gift of healing? Do we all have the ability to speak in unknown languages? Do we all have the ability to interpret unknown languages? Of course not! 31 So you should earnestly desire the most helpful gifts.

    But now let me show you a way of life that is best of all.

  287. poohpity says:

    For instance the mission of Our Daily Bread Ministries is to make the life changing wisdom of the bible understandable and accessible to all around the world. It is all about grace.

  288. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks for all the best wishes!
    We enjoy it thoroughly!
    There is a heatwave right now in Western Europe, governments are preparing for the heat.
    France developed a heat program, since in 2003 15.000 people died because of high temperatures, mainly old people in homes without airco.

    Thanks for the prayer for protection Beloved, tomorrow we go to another area, so down the mountain.
    It was really good here, God’s nature, mountain flowers, rocks, all sorts of rocks here. Birds singing, sunshine and a cool breeze.

  289. foreverblessed says:

    I posted the commentary of MacLaren, because Steve mentioned that the OT law is now replaced by the Beattitudes.
    That’s what I thought, sort of, one difference that we keep it, not on our own, but with the Power of Jesus.

    But MacLaren writes: That is a maimed view of christianity.

    Some food for thought.

    Today we were walking a trail in the mountains, my husband walked in front of me, he had a wooden stick in his hands, dragging behind him drawing a line in the path.
    It just looked like a guiding line for me to.walk.

    Then it appeared to me:
    This is the life of a Christian:

    We follow a Person.

    Jesus, He IS:

    Our guide
    Our Power, our Strength
    our food from heaven
    Our Light in darkness

    For me to have my eyes fixed on Jesus,
    and He will draw a line for me as I walk behind Him.

    May God bless you all
    ( And Yes, Regina, I live in the Netherlands, and I love going on holiday in Europe)

  290. jeff1 says:

    C.S.Lewis quote:

    For the church is not a human society of people united by their natural affinities but the Body of Christ, in which all members, however different, (and He rejoices in their differences and by no means wishes to iron them out) must share the common life, complementing and helping one another precisely by their differences.

    I like this quote of C. S. Lewis as it speaks of God rejoicing in our differences and I had not thought of God rejoicing over my weaknesses but it shows that God does not put expectations on us but rather we put them on ourselves or we allow others to.

    It is when I take my eyes of Him and focus on my own or other’s weaknesses that I despair and why God is so strict on discipline because it is what gives me peace in my walk with Him and others.

    God’s discipline is not expecting perfection but a steady growth in my love and obedience to Him that He knows will satisfy my needs.

    Failure makes me have a tendency to run from God when the reality is He wants me to run to Him, as running from Him does not show trust but rather doubt in His love and care for me.

    Trust and obey

    When we walk with the Lord
    In the light of His word
    What a glory He sheds on our way
    While we do His good will
    He abides with us still
    And with all who will trust and obey

    Trust and obey
    For there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus
    But to trust and obey

    But we never can prove
    The delights of His love
    Until all on the altar we lay
    For the favor He shows
    For the joy He bestows
    Are for them who will trust and obey

    Trust and obey
    For there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus
    But to trust and obey

    Lord, I love You
    Please help me to trust and obey
    Lord, I love You
    Please help me to trust and obey

    Then in fellowship sweet
    We will sit at His feet
    Or we’ll walk by His side in the way
    What He says we will do
    Where He sends we will go
    Never fear, only trust and obey

    Trust and obey
    For there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus
    But to trust and obey

    Trust and obey
    For there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus
    But to trust and obey

    Lord, I love You
    Please help me to trust and obey
    Lord, I love You
    Please help me to trust and obey

    Lord, I love You
    Please help me to trust and obey

  291. Beloved says:

    Viv I like C S Lewis’s quote also, it reminded me of what Spurgeon said in a previous post (Beloved says:
    June 18, 2019 at 10:21 pm
    Jesus Calling devotional)

    I have some very personal thoughts but won’t share them on here. I’ll take them to Jesus.

  292. SFDBWV says:

    Mart ask the question why didn’t the writers of the NT (with the exception of the Book of Revelation, in my opinion) quote Jesus.

    What the Bible is, is the Hebrew Torah considered to be the OT, and the writings of the eye witnesses of Jesus life, death and resurrection. Paul was a witness as well of the times recorded and of his own persecution of Jesus’ followers. Followed by his conversion and life’s work in presenting the Christ (Messiah) to the world, especially the Gentile world. These writings make up the NT.

    Why hasn’t there been any more “revelation” from Christ to His Church? Maybe it is as the Eastern Orthodox Church believes, He has already said all He needs to.

    We are, from those first eye witnesses and their accounts and Holy Spirit revelations, to take what we have been given and go with it.

    We may only need the encouragement of each other, the comfort of the Holy Spirit and the surrender of ourselves to Christ in order to have fulfilled our lives as being Christian. We may not need to know anymore than already given to us from the eye witness accounts 2 thousand years ago.

    In answer to Mart’s question, maybe all the message that the writers of the Epistles needed to get across to their listeners or readers is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Savior of all mankind and His death made amends for all of our sins and opened the door for all of us to be able to have a one on one relationship with God.

    All we need to do is believe it.

    There really isn’t much more that they then needed to say, is there.

    If we can settle in that safety zone and not get caught up in who knows more or who and what makes us more of a Christian than another we are far more in better mental and spiritual condition.

    Been writing this all morning and want to get it sent off. I doubt I followed my train of thought and apologize if I have confused anyone.

    Matt’s off with a friend today to have a little outing. It is wonderful to see him happy.

    Steve

  293. Beloved says:

    Thanks Steve, reading your thoughts it suddenly occurs to me that something I was used to hearing at church for many years does not make sense now. It was a church very much encouraging of prophetic gifts. One rule they had was if the prophecy did not line up with scripture it was not to be believed. There were some that people struggled to fit into scripture which were pretty out there, some crazy! But what is just now puzzling me is this, why not just study the scriptures and hear for ourselves what God has already said!? And is still saying to us today and tomorrow, LORD willing we still have them as readily available as they are today. today

    Higher education was frowned upon and pastors/elders were “appointed” by God through the laying on of hands. The OT was rarely preached or studied.

    Well anyway, quite a journey but God has been faithful to me as to us all. Prayed for Matt. Enjoy your little respite!

  294. Beloved says:

    I find this fascinating: 2 Cor12

    The Vision of Paradise
    1It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—

    4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

    5Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.

  295. jeff1 says:

    Steve, it is could to hear Matt is happy (and you get rest) and thinking that is what we parents love to hear that our children are happy and that makes us happy. My son is travelling and I am getting snapchats and he is having a wonderful time which contents me so much.

    Thinking of this quote from C. S. Lewis about wrong desires when it is often the simple things that make us happy.

    It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.

  296. bratimus says:

    When I read the Bible, I try and place my self in the writers surroundings of their time, most of Paul’s letters were write while he was in custody of the Roman’s head to Rome for trail. Put yourself in Paul’s place then ask why he didn’t quote Jesus Christ. Christ and the Holy Spirit do more of an appearance face to face.

    Just a Thought

    In His Name
    Amen

    Bratimus

  297. street says:

    In other words, after the coming of Jesus’ Spirit — Paul, Peter, James, and John wrote in his name, without quoting him.

    new creation…..alive to God. salt and light.

    making many rich even today.

    i wonder how the good news got such a poor review by others. Jesus got good reviews with crowds and developed only a few powerful enemies. thinking about the early church where it had a good reputation but people kept their distance.

  298. SFDBWV says:

    Thanks to all who seen Matt’s outing as a happy occasion for him and a respite from my duties if only for a few hours.

    I used the time to do some much needed yard work, clearing some growth and brush up above my yard as well as mowing the grass.

    Matt returned exhausted and pleased with his outing with his friend Meredith (Mere). After settling in and she left he took a nap.

    I think this is the gift God gives us. To be able to enjoy life one minute, one hour, one day at a time. To appreciate what we have and thank him when the good times are here and cling to Him when they are bad.

    To treat others just like we want to be treated and trust all of our tomorrows to the Lord.

    I think if we squeeze and condense all of the Epistles out we may find what someone already figured out “The Golden Rule”, No one needs to have credit for ferreting that out except Jesus of Nazareth who presented it to us from the beginning.

    I pray all of your days are filled with the Joy that Jesus can provide.

    Steve

  299. jeff1 says:

    If there is dysfunction in the church today it is because we made the Gospel about us and not about Jesus which was not what God intended.

    In my own country religions took the place of the Gospel and we all see how that played out.

    God doesn’t say one thing and do another and I worship Him today because He is worthy of it and that speaks of His faithfulness.

    This quote from C. S. Lewis is thought provoking as is is evident today that good intentions are not necessarily God’s intentions.

    “There have been men before who got so interested in proving the existence of God that they came to care nothing for God himself, as if the good Lord had nothing to do but to exist. There have been some who were so preoccupied with spreading Christianity that they never gave a thought to Christ”.

  300. jeff1 says:

    Steve says,

    I think this is the gift God gives us. To be able to enjoy life one minute, one hour, one day at a time. To appreciate what we have and thank him when the good times are here and cling to Him when they are bad.

    God is the one who strengthens and comforts us as we draw close to Him in prayer, confession and communion so that we can support each other whether in good times or bad because what unites us is that we all experience joy and sorrow which is what gives us empathy with each other which leads to understanding that we all need a helping hand some time and some are just much better at asking then receiving.

  301. poohpity says:

    Viv, that last sentence sort of puts that commercial in a nut shell; those who would rather do things their way and in their strength rather than receiving from someone else. Example of doing dishes by hand or putting them in a dishwasher.

    The pride involved in not asking for help or not accepting it from others when offered is a big wall to climb for many. I wish I did not know this so well but I have had much experience in that area. A person’s pride gets in the way of many, many areas. It is just thinking you can do it all yourself or no one can do it as well as you can but the opposite is true thinking also that one can not do anything right so they do nothing at all. Both are pride, thinking to highly or to lowly of one’s self, no sense of community when one wants be the boss all the time and in charge rather than being part of a team. I think that is the reason that Paul often points people to who the real head of the body is.

  302. poohpity says:

    It seems that the epistles were written to correct many false doctrines that were slowly trickling their way into the churches that took people’s eyes off of Jesus and put them on each other or the ability of self to earn what God had freely given. The writers also explained the differences in worldly thinking and actions compared to being lead by the Spirit which is contrary to the flesh.

  303. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    Have ((SO)) enjoyed reading the comments on this blog post, even though some of them weren’t *specifically* addressing Mart’s intro comment.
    forever, I’m so glad you enjoyed your *holiday in the mountains (*we say “vacation” in our country). Was living vicariously in the details you shared about your trip. I love nature, and I didn’t realize how much I loved it until I was grown. I grew up in the city, and all I saw was buildings and houses (with the sparse vegetation around them – grass, a few flowers, a few trees, a few birds, some insects and (maybe) an old dog). I wish I could’ve grown up in the country, but the amenities and creature comforts of city life weren’t all bad. :-)
    Steve, I, too, am glad that Matt had some good quality time away from the house (though you take very good care of him). Wow! I didn’t know he could go out on his own. I thought he was totally dependent on you, so it’s good to know that he can go out with a friend and have a good time. Also glad you were able to get some much needed chores done around your house.

    Jeff1 said,
    “Thinking of this quote from C. S. Lewis about wrong desires when it is often the simple things that make us happy.

    It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”

    WoW… that quote is very thought-provoking… Thought provoking in the *best* way! I agree with Lewis. We’re far too easily pleased and too easily distracted. Chores and the enticements of life often reel us in like a fisherman reeling in a fish on a fishing rod. We have to attend to the most rewarding chore of disciplining our minds to focus on Jesus, and the daily ministry work that He wants us to do, more than we focus on anything else. My thoughts for now…

    78 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  304. bratimus says:

    Don’t know if anyone has heard this before,

    Two men get up on Sunday morning, one gets ready for church the other gets ready to go fishing.

    The man that went to church, all he thinks about is going fishing after church.

    The man who went fishing all he thinks about is God.

    It’s not always are chores or other things in life that keeps us from thinking about God, it usually is our own minds that distract us from God.

    That’s why WE try to do all things unto the Lord.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

    P.S. very happy to here about Matt, prayers are always there even if I don’t say or write it.

  305. street says:

    thinking of relationships between prayer and action.
    like a piece of music.

    music or noise?

    thank God for grace and mercy.

    some would not dance or morn

    thinking about peace that surpasses understanding….isn’t there a love and a joy that surpasses understanding too?

    thinking of peter….always ready to move on with Jesus. a brilliant Savior.

  306. jeff1 says:

    If you have identified there is problems with pride in the church then so does Jesus but your concern is to be right with Him yourself which means making sure you don’t stumble yourself rather than focusing on those who are already snared.

    Has those false doctrines been corrected or is history repeating itself?

  307. jeff1 says:

    My last post directed to Pooh.

  308. poohpity says:

    Viv, if you had read what I wrote you would see that I mentioned my problems with pride which was the very reason that I thought through experience I could talk about it.

    No those false doctrines are still problems in the church today as they were then. Ask those who still struggle with thinking there is anything they can do to earn God’s love on their own like follow the law. It is very hard for people who are used to feeling like they earn everything they get to see that there is another source besides themselves. Grace can not be earned and it is ALL about God’s grace not following the law. It is not what we do but what God has done. YES Yes that is still a problem in not only churches today but in the very people who say they are Christians they do not understand the Good News (Gospel). Just one book that speaks of this is Galatians as well as most of the other letters(epistles).

  309. jeff1 says:

    I gathered that you were talking of the pride of others in the church or was it struggling with pride yourself?

  310. Regina says:

    Love this comment you made, Steve, and I think it’s worthy of repeating…

    “I think this is the gift God gives us. To be able to enjoy life one minute, one hour, one day at a time. To appreciate what we have and thank him when the good times are here and cling to Him when they are bad.

    To treat others just like we want to be treated and trust all of our tomorrows to the Lord.”

    Wish I had time to share more thoughts, but off to go do some chores now… Will be mindful of every blessing that comes my way today, and I hope you (every one of you) are too.

  311. poohpity says:

    Viv, I do not have a problem with admitting my faults, failures and shortcomings if I did have that as a problem then I would not have anything to confess to the Lord everyday. I confess even my thoughts with evil intent. The reason why I can be open and honest about those things is because I can not hide anything from the Lord so why not be real about the struggles and sins I face. I know for sure with a very grateful heart the grace of God in my life. I will never be able while attached to this skin live a sinless life although the more I confess the more aware of them and therefore will be less likely to repeat the lessons they teach and more aware of how totally amazing the grace of God is.

    Everyone has sin in their lives the bad part is when they begin to look at the sin in the lives of others then they miss God’s grace shown to them.

    You know in the letter to the Galatians Paul and Peter even had that problem here is what Paul wrote;

    But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

    14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

    15 “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

  312. poohpity says:

    Viv, yes I struggle with pride. Don’t you and every other human being for that matter? That is one of many things that we all have in common.

  313. jeff1 says:

    Then Jesus understands that we face the same struggles today as in ancient times and I understand the struggle in the mind because I have weakness of the mind and on a good day I feel secure in Christ and on a bad one Satan is doing his worst.

    Satan can disturb my peace in Christ but He can not destroy my relationship with Him and that is because Jesus has promised not to forsake me and so it is about more than Grace it is about the power of Christ in me to save me from this creature that I am.

  314. jeff1 says:

    I think that is why I find myself so exhausted because struggling with sin is exhausting.

  315. jeff1 says:

    Loving Father, always here,
    In our need You draw us near,
    Weak in all we think and do,
    Ever poor but rich in You,
    Ever poor but rich in You.

    From Your glory light is born.
    Here we see ourselves and mourn,
    Humbled as we glimpse the truth.
    Empty, Lord, we thirst for You.
    Empty, Lord, we thirst for You.

    Mercy flows as we believe.
    Now we give as we receive,
    Vessels of Your healing grace.
    Pure in heart, we see Your face.
    Pure in heart, we see Your face.

    Peace in You is peace profound.
    Help us live it all around,
    Peace complete though problems press,
    Rich, eternal blessedness,
    Rich, eternal blessedness.

  316. poohpity says:

    Oooh my! We only have a relationship with the Lord because of God’s grace, forgiveness and mercy. The battle against Satan has been won, the battle against sin has been won but if one does not know all that they probably do still allow all that to control their life. The chains have been broken.

    Amazing grace
    How sweet the sound
    That saved a wretch like me
    I once was lost, but now I’m found
    Was blind, but now I see

    ‘Twas grace that taught my heart to fear
    And grace my fears relieved
    How precious did that grace appear
    The hour I first believed

    My chains are gone
    I’ve been set free
    My God, my Savior has ransomed me
    And like a flood His mercy reigns
    Unending love, amazing grace

    The Lord has promised good to me
    His word my hope secures
    He will my shield and portion be
    As long as life endures

    [2x]
    My chains are gone
    I’ve been set free
    My God, my Savior has ransomed me
    And like a flood His mercy reigns
    Unending love, amazing grace

    The earth shall soon dissolve like snow
    The sun forbear to shine
    But God, Who called me here below,
    Will be forever mine.
    Will be forever mine.
    You are forever mine.

  317. Beloved says:

    None Other Lamb, None Other Name

    None other Lamb, none other Name,
    None other Hope in heaven or earth or sea,
    None other Hiding-place from guilt and shame,
    None beside Thee.
    My faith burns low, my hope burns low;
    Only my heart’s desire cries out in me,
    By the deep thunder of its want and woe,
    Cries out to Thee.
    Lord, Thou art Life, though I be dead;
    Love’s Fire Thou art, however cold I be:
    Nor heaven have I, nor place to lay my head,
    Nor home, but Thee.

    CHRISTINA ROSSETTI, 1830-1894

  318. bratimus says:

    1 Peter 4:7-11

  319. street says:

    46 “When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; 48 and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; 49 then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. 50 And forgive your people, who have sinned against you; forgive all the offenses they have committed against you, and cause their captors to show them mercy; 51 for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace.

    52 “May your eyes be open to your servant’s plea and to the plea of your people Israel, and may you listen to them whenever they cry out to you. 53 For you singled them out from all the nations of the world to be your own inheritance, just as you declared through your servant Moses when you, Sovereign Lord, brought our ancestors out of Egypt.”

  320. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    June 26, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    The battle against sin has been won as that is what believing and following Jesus is, but, there is still consequences of sin unless of course you are sin free.

  321. street says:

    5 For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. 4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.

  322. bratimus says:

    Just seeing if I can post here current topic and page not working for me

  323. Beloved says:

    Me either.

  324. bratimus says:

    well a least just not me

  325. cbrown says:

    Oh God .Help me.

  326. SFDBWV says:

    Don’t panic people, the problem seems to be with “Word Press”.

    Your plea worries me Chris, what’s wrong?

    Steve

  327. Hugger4U says:

    It’s the weekend so probably won’t get fixed until Monday? I miss reading comments. Have a great weekend everyone.
    Blessings,
    Linda Jo

  328. bratimus says:

    So I’ll read from this page if anyone post, cbrown might need some prayers.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  329. street says:

    I signed in on daily bread and got in to a post window by clicking on a comment link of the left.

    But stepping back “the call” can be for the sake of others.

    but always for the Glory of God and His Name sake.

    looking for an incorruptible heart mind and body.

  330. cbrown says:

    Thank you for your prayers. There was an incident in another cell block in the prison and use of the room I have my Bible study in has been suspended. I was able go to each inmates cell and give them a copy of the study but use of rooms like the one I my study in have been suspended until further notice.

  331. bratimus says:

    I’m sorry to hear about that cbrown, the work you do is good, so WE pray that things will work out.

    “The Call” I answered is to Pray to the Heavenly Father and praise and worship Him, and to do this all day in very thing I do hopefully will help me be incorruptible. Me praying, praising and worshiping God is for the Glory of God. What happens around me or through me, might not be for the sake of other, might for what others have tired to do to me.

    The Light that might shine through me that is Christ and the Holy Spirits works. I’m just here to pray, praise and worship The Heavenly Father on Earth.

    That is my “Calling”

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  332. Beloved says:

    Well it appears The Politics of Paul and Jesus blog is not working so just wanted to say AMEN to poohs last post!

  333. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!I wanted to give an update on the prison ministry I serve.Last week there was a horrible murder at the institution.As a result of the incident 2 of the 3 Bible studies were cancelled indefinitely for security reasons. We are allowed to visit the inmates from a security buffer 5 feet away. Last week the guards and inmates were in shock from the brutality of the incident. One off the inmates shared that he believed the inmate is with the Lord because he is a believer.

    Last night when I was at the prison I could see there was a direct focus by both guards and inmates on seeking God. The Holy Spirit was throughout the building. As I was leaving I had a 50 yard walk to the front gate. As I walked I asked the first guard I approached if they would like to have “Our Daily Bread”.They raised it. About 30 yards further I approached a second guard and offered the “Our Daily Bread”.They were reading it as well. God is at work in the worst situations caused by the devil. Praise God! Please pray for the family of Will who was murdered. That they will be comforted and for the guards that were affected by witnessing what happened. Love you all.

  334. Beloved says:

    Praying

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