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Jonah, bro, what are we thinking?

In sport being chosen can be about making the team. In employment it may involve making it into and beyond a final group of applicants.

Being chosen or not can be so personal. When we’re the one brought in— or left out, it can seem like it’s all about us.  Up close, it sometimes is.  But stepping back “the call” can be for the sake of others.

From Genesis to Malachi it was the unlikely family story of Abraham and Sarah, then Jacob and wives—  to be a chosen bloodline— for the good of all (Genesis 12:1-3)… followed by the Matthew to Revelation sequel of another chosen group— supposedly for the good of all.

So what happened?

Could it be a bad dream that the favored sons and daughters of Jacob’s family-group began to see people of other nations not only as dogs, but as dirty dogs?  And in the ongoing story of Jesus, have self-identifying followers really given “Samaritans” reason to take Jesus over “Christians” any day– if Christians didn’t give them so many second thoughts about Jesus?

Which brings us to—the Elect and Chosen Son– who gave us another way of thinking about what it means to be “chosen”.  After calling out Temple leaders for turning his Father’s House—that was supposed to be a sanctuary of prayer for all nations—into a den of thieves… he gave chosen people reason to think of themselves as the new Temple.. and…not to forget,.. that God once lovingly told his chosen that they made Samaritans look good by comparison (Ezekiel 16:46-53) (Luke 10:30-37).

Oh, Jonah, bro! What am I thinking? What have we missed? Could it have something to do with what Moses and Paul were feeling when they said that if God didn’t do for others what he had done for them, they didn’t want the privilege– or the job (Exodus 32:31-32) (Romans 9:1-3).

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294 Responses to “Chosen”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Well Mart, (Bro) I am not all that sure what this is about. It almost reads as a condemnation of the Jewish nation. Or as what has for millennia been referred to as “The Chosen People”.

    Both Moses and Paul would rather have been punished along with their brothers than see them “unforgiven”.

    With the teaching of Jesus and the Epistles we learn that all believers in Jesus as Lord were “chosen” from before the foundation of the world to “believe”.

    Belief in Jesus as Lord guarantees salvation from eternal punishment and eternal life in Paradise with God.

    Believers are a holy nation a peculiar people, they consist of peoples from all nations of the earth including Israel.

    Do you really believe that God did not know the future of the Hebrew people He cultivated in order to produce and introduce Jesus to the world?

    That His plans were thwarted by the misadventures and sins of His “chosen people”?

    No I don’t think God was blindsided in the garden nor do I think that He didn’t know exactly what direction the Jews took right up to the accusations and death of Jesus on the cross.

    The Book of Revelation after chapter 3 and what I consider the “Rapture” occurring in Revelation 4:1 KJV in part when a door is open in heaven and a voice as a trumpet says come up hither; there is no more discussion about the Church but of the nation of Israel and the events surrounding her in the tribulation.

    A lot to say about being chosen for a great many things in life by God, but I am not sure what it is Mart you are trying to put forward here.


  2. phpatato says:

    I agree with Steve.

    My goggles are steamed up. This topic, unless edited for this simple-minded fish, is too deep and way over my head. I have read it a few times and will have to keep to more shallow waters.

    “””Could it be a bad dream that the favored sons and daughters of Jacob’s family-group began to see people of other nations not only as dogs, but as dirty dogs?””””

    On this, to me, it wasn’t and isn’t a bad dream. It is a reality. Jacob’s family-group then and today are surrounded by (United) nations that want to annihilate them completely from existing. And as a Christian in Canada, I am beginning to feel the same way as they must do (and did). We are a hated people. Jesus warned us to be ready for this but truthfully, I am at war with myself. I know I am to love my enemies and “do good to those who hate you” but as I see just how quickly the one world government, as predicted in the Bible, is being set up, I get scared and angry and not very tolerant toward those who are advocates for the (United) nations one world/one religion/new world order system. Christians and Jews are not welcome.

    God is my stronghold. In Him will I hide. And while I am hunkered down in His protection, I will be praying for my feelings towards these people because right now I too tend to see them as dirty dogs. And isn’t antichrist as this future government ruler the utmost dirtiest? I believe in pre-tribulation rapture of the Church so won’t be under his rule but that doesn’t stop the feelings I have while living in the preparation period.

    And if this isn’t the direction you wanted your ” ” sentence to go, Mart, I am sorry.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    No, for my part Christianity has not replaced Israel as “The Chosen people”.

    It may not be a simple explanation, but if Christianity were a replacement then all of the warnings directed at Israel from Genesis to Malachi would also apply to Christians. They do not.

    Christians are under the Blood of Christ, safe and forgiven.

    Israel’s failure to be the religion through whom the world would receive atonement with God, was not the ultimate goal of God. Israel was the bloodline through whom Jesus was born into the world.

    The failures of Israel shows the need for Messiah Jesus. To the Jew and to the Gentile alike.

    Revelation reveals that the whole world would come against Israel, despised and hated. That God would intervene as the end of the age comes terribly to an end.

    What then has transpired these past thousands of years since Israel became a nation (a people)? Twice an effort was put forward to erase them from the face of the earth through genocide. Both attempts failed, but look at the news, with only a few exceptions the world at large especially Israel’s neighbors would see her defeated and sent into obscurity or completely erased from the earth.

    Chosen? It would seem that being chosen has put a bullseye on their chest and back. All of her Islamic neighbors want her killed off and for now only the presence of Christian nations through the intervention of the Holy Spirit prevent it.

    Now it comes to this, we as being “chosen” are to present Jesus to the world. Are we doing any better then did Israel?

    I may be off the mark whereas this subject is, but then these are the thoughts that the subject has awakened in me.


  4. poohpity says:

    I think what is being said is that even the heathen nations around God’s so called elite(Israel) and those around those who call themselves Christians act nicer, kinder and with more love, forgiveness and mercy than those who are supposed to be chosen people but show no signs of what God had done for them towards others.

    The reference to Jonah seems to be how he acted towards those in Nineveh that the Lord was going to forgive if they repented yet Jonah would rather run away than to offer them the grace of God.

    In other words His elect showed not visible signs of all that God had done for them because they failed to show it to others.

  5. poohpity says:

    The Samaritan who was despised by the Jewish people showed more neighborly kindness and brotherly love than those(the Priest and Levite) who were supposedly meant to minister to the needs of people in the Lord’s name but they walked on the other side without tending to the needs of the person that was hurt.

    Both Moses and Paul seemed to be willing to give up their relationship with God if it meant the salvation of others.

  6. bratimus says:

    One of the problems might have been, when you know that your the “chosen” “people” that if you don’t check your pride at the door, be ready for a fall. That is a proverb.

    When you are Chosen by God to be His people, you are to represent God not self. If WE let are human nature control us then WE become prideful self serving people.

    God’s will and God’s plan is God’s, and some question WE might just have to wait for the answer when we are face to face with God.

    In the rejecting of the corner stone how many outside to the chosen people will be saved.

    In Christ Name


  7. SFDBWV says:

    Matt and I are going off to Keyser today to get his DiGiorno’s Pizza’s, his Hamburger Helpers and a few other groceries. He will get to eat at Subway today. He especially likes that because I get him up out of the car and into his wheel chair and he can go inside and pick out what he wants and eat at one of the tables inside.

    Sometimes we run onto someone who may know Matt and that always makes his day better.

    I often have told folks here that about one month prior to Matt accident he and I took communion together and ask to be used of God.

    Never would I have imagined the course of events that followed and the position God has us in as being used of Him, but sometimes I do see how others are blessed by it.

    Be careful if you ask for God to choose you for His use, He just may take you up on it. Be ready for the unexpected.

    I hope all of you today are blessed and filled with His Holy Spirit until your cup runs over.


  8. bratimus says:

    Steve you Matt have a great day!!!

    In Christ Name


  9. mtman says:

    I look at the above topic a little differently. I tend to see the macro view. I don’t think God makes mistakes – well maybe when the Mets beat Boston in 1986, but He doesn’t make mistakes. The Jewish people have been and still are his chosen people – He said so. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and want to see them exterminated. Even here in our country they have those who hate them and want them destroyed. Looking back on their history it is evident that they have been protected through all the attempts to destroy them. With all they have been through they still are here today and are still the “chosen people”.
    They were chosen by God whereas Christians were invited by Jesus to be part of God’s people if we came willingly, humbly and Jesus is our entry point.
    To me it is amazing how many now days embrace worldly ways. They have rejected God and His ways. They choose each other like minded people and flaunt it. They kill their own children and celebrate and march proudly in the streets. They curse God’s ways and want no part of what he offers. The fierceness of hate, separation from God is evident everywhere you look. What is currently crammed down our throats is a lie because I have some interaction with our young people and they are wonderful examples. We just don’t hear about the good in our world – only the bad from those who have rejected God. You have to go in search of the good. When we choose God or Jesus we are not rejected and we are all equal.
    My desire is to be chosen for one team – God’s team. All others are worldly and temporal.

  10. street says:

    Both Moses and Paul seemed to be willing to give up their relationship with God if it meant the salvation of others.

    in that respect yes. in other words they would pass if it was not dependable and true salvation. they did not want the past to be hanging over their head like a french guillotine. this leads us to what an incredible place to be in God’s grace, the broken snare, guillotine. should we continue to sin that grace may abound???? seems to me it is good news to share and live…

  11. street says:

    Ezekiel 34:22
    therefore, I will deliver My flock, and they will no longer be a prey; and I will judge between one sheep and another.

    John 10:16
    I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

    sometimes i have to lol when a member of the body thinks the ear should be more like an eye.

    thinking conformed to the image of Christ.

    thinking this morning about suffering. sometimes in very difficult suffering we are most like God. He who has suffered in the flesh has cease from sin.

    God put an end to His suffering at the cross.

    those who try to save their life will lose their life and those who lose their life shall find it.

  12. street says:

    9 Simon Peter *said to Him, “Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.” 10 Jesus *said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.”

    those last five words give me chills.

    8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

    9 But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10 For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints.

  13. street says:

    why where they chosen? what did they accomplish?

    where they not chosen to bring the Messiah into the world?

    where they not entrusted with the Truth?

    did the Covenant fail?

    did God fail?

    what do we have to brag in?

    did they have something to brag in?

  14. jeff1 says:

    Father, we lift up our face.
    We feel Your love pouring down.
    Your life is blooming within,
    Your Kingdom growing all around.
    We taste the world that will be,
    The perfect peace You would share.
    O Father, come,
    Take our hands,
    Take our hearts,
    Take our lives and make
    “Your Kingdom come” our living prayer.

    The many treasures You give,
    The riches here in our hands,
    Lord, we release them to You.
    Each gift we hold You now command.
    Each daily moment is Yours.
    Our words and deeds we will sow.
    Father, our lives
    Are Your seed.
    Let us die
    That the Kingdom of Your love
    May blossom here and grow.

    Father, the harvest will come,
    Abundant fruit gathered in.
    Then with Your family around,
    The endless banquet will begin.
    O Lord, Your presence is now!
    Your every promise is true.
    For endless life,
    Glorious light,
    Boundless love,
    Perfect joy and peace
    Are all eternity in You!

  15. street says:

    in the ongoing story of Jesus, have “self”-identifying followers really given “Samaritans” reason to take Jesus over “Christians” any day– if Christians didn’t give them so many second thoughts about Jesus?

    i never really cared to engage with a road rage person on the grounds they will find each other eventually.

    a “self”-identifying follower vs a true follower.

    the difficulty of the cross and the requirements Jesus imposes on His Followers weeds them out. spurgeon had great difficulty, could not tell the difference, in trying to figure out who where followers and who where not. in the end the angels will sort them out.

    i think it would be smarter not to sit in the seat of judgment, rather be a doer of the word. live by the proportion of faith you were given.

    thinking of zachariah and elizabeth, righteous, living in an obscure village in isreal. then there is the scripture that speaks of another obscure village,
    Micah 5:2
    “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”

    His birth hidden from the masses, yet not from shepherds and men from the east.

    this verse has been on my mind for a few days….6 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. 2 Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful, (i like to insert the word “envious” here,) to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

  16. Beloved says:

    I have no specific thoughts about the topic but I’d does make me smile :-). Enough said.

  17. bubbles says:

    I’m off the mark with the thoughts Mart has shared. What it caused me to think is that I’m humbled and thankful to be allowed to be His child even though I’m not part of the special Jewish people. Thankful Jesus died for whosever believes and not just a certain group. Thankful for His mercy, love, and grace. Thankful for His forgiveness!

  18. street says:

    “chosen” = loved

    the self-righteous do not equate righteousness to God…they say they do, but question His every choice.

    more fair? more loving, more righteous, more just than God?

    loving the blind the lame the crippled?

    seems like the ones who worked, only invited people to the banquet. some showed up improperly dressed? ops!

    beg and compel them to come. fishers of man.

    some one loved me enough to invite me, i will be in debt to them and all who sowed.

    God give us love joy and peace in the vineyard.

    the one who is forgiven much loves much.

  19. jeff1 says:

    Surely, all failings point to God being Victor and how He plays that out in the world is up to Him.

    I have had glimpses of God in my life and in the world and that is what encourages my faith but He has chosen Israel as His nation for whatever His reasons.

    Maybe it is to show me that He is faithful when I am not.

    Steve says:

    Now it comes to this, we as being “chosen” are to present Jesus to the world. Are we doing any better then did Israel?

    I don’t believe so but that is just my thinking.

    If I had the mind of C. S. Lewis then I would understand God better as his understanding in his quotes is profound in knowing God.

    “God has landed on this enemy-occupied world in human form…The perfect surrender and humiliation was undergone by Christ: perfect because He was God, surrender and humiliation because He was man”.

    “The New Testament writers speak as if Christ’s achievement in rising from the dead was the first event of its kind in the whole history of the universe. He is the ‘first fruits,’ the pioneer of life,’ He has forced open a door that has been locked since the death of the first man. He has met, fought, and beaten the King of Death. Everything is different because He has done so”.

    Christ died for men precisely because men are not worth dying for; to make them worth it.

  20. SFDBWV says:

    Matthew 10:5-:6 KJV, “These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying; “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. “But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    There is no denying it, as Jesus began His ministry it was to the house of Israel.

    He made a distinction between Israel and everyone else.

    For me I am grateful that God has allowed me to be adopted into the promise He made Abraham. That is enough for me, to be adopted.

    The relationship God had with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is between him, them and their descendants. The relationship God offers me through Jesus isn’t about being a descendant of Abraham, Isaac nor Jacob.

    They were chosen for a special purpose and if I understand Scripture we both were chosen for salvation through Jesus of Nazareth the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV.

    Does that make us special in the eyes of the Lord? Yes it does!

    Jesus has said He goes to prepare a place for us. John 14:2-:3 KJV.
    What has He prepared for those whose name is not written in the book of life? Revelation 20:15 KJV.

    What then of how we look at the Nation of Israel today? Is not all Scripture prophesy concerning all of our futures not connected to the events of “Israel”?

    Keep a watch upon Israel and remember this, Genesis 12:3 KJV and Genesis 27:29 KJV.

    If you feel you have to choose between the current nation of Israel or her neighbors. Be careful not to listen to any other voice except that of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Jesus as you make your choice.

    Matt had another wonderful day out yesterday, but like always he and I were exhausted by the end of the day. Thank all of you for you well wishes and prayers given in our direction.

    Blessing to all again today.


  21. poohpity says:

    It would seem the God’s call of anyone was so that others could be blessed through us. Israel was a chosen nation that was supposed to show the world around them the wonders of that special calling of following after God. Having God as their King, provider, protector everything that the nations around them depended on people to do but rather they were to look to God for and from whom all the nations of the world would be blessed when from their line, Jesus the Savior would be born. They were to be the one’s who pointed others to God but that is not how they ended up living instead they became like the nations around them and demanded a human king and turned away from God.

    The very law that Moses gave them had all kinds of ways to help the poor, the foreigner, the widows, the orphans, etc. but they insisted on doing things their own way and for the benefit of self. Isaiah 29:23

    Then to the NT in which Paul explained that we were saved or chosen for the purpose of doing good when he wrote Eph 2:10 but rather than busying ourselves with that some choose again to act arrogantly and look down on the needy, poor, sick rather than having compassion as even a Samaritan dog had. The Samaritan’s were looked down on as being a mixed race but how one treated the injured person showed more love for a neighbor than even the very ones who were supposed to love God and love their neighbors as themselves which seems to be the very reason that Jesus taught that parable.

    Being chosen brings with it certain responsibility to not only think of others as better than one’s self or to put their needs above our own because we know that God will take care of us so we can be open to take care of others in the name of Jesus.

  22. Beloved says:

    Jonah, bro, what are we thinking?

    Isaiah 55:6Seek the LORD while He may be found;
    call on Him while He is near.

    7Let the wicked man forsake his own way
    and the unrighteous man his own thoughts;

    let him return to the LORD,
    that He may have compassion,
    and to our God,
    for He will freely pardon.

    8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways My ways,”
    declares the LORD.

    9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so My ways are higher than your ways
    and My thoughts than your thoughts.

    10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
    and do not return without watering the earth,
    making it bud and sprout,
    and providing seed to sow and food to eat,
    11so My word that proceeds from My mouth
    will not return to Me empty,
    but it will accomplish what I please,
    and it will prosper where I send it.

  23. Beloved says:

    Chosen, elect.

  24. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the current physical Jerusalem and how it relates to Messiah I found this from Keith Mathieson:

    The focal point where the old and new covenants meet is found in Jesus Christ. The old covenant, as a guardian, prepares the way for Him and prepares His people for Him. The old covenant included that which has been traditionally described as “moral law” as well as that which was typical. That which was typical underwent change when the reality to which it pointed arrived. When the dawn came, the shadows disappeared (cf. Heb. 10:1). The people of God are now defined in terms of their relation to Jesus (cf. Gal 3:16, 29) rather than their relation to Jacob/Israel. The Promised Land is now defined in terms of the entire creation (cf. Matt. 5:5; Rom. 4:13) rather than a piece of real estate on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. The temple is now defined in terms of Jesus Christ and His people (cf. John 2:21; 1 Cor. 3:16; Eph. 2:21) rather than a building of stone and mortar. The ceremonial laws are now defined in terms of the atoning death of Christ (cf. Heb. 9:11–10:11) rather than the blood of bulls and goats.

    The moral law, however, — that which sets forth the universal and eternal standards of righteousness — is unchanged. Although it is now written on the hearts of God’s people rather than on tablets of stone, this law remains the same.

  25. bratimus says:

    This is just a thought and I think years back I wrote the same thing once, We always seem to keep back tracking.

    I would say to all the haters of Israel, that through the centuries through all the oppression that Israel has been under and all the fleeing and hiding. Many might want to look what is in there blood, do to all the co-mingling through the centuries. Some might be surprised that they need to turn that hate back on them selves. I would say go to one of those ancestry map place, but I wouldn’t trust them.

    Just a thought


  26. street says:

    9 When Solomon had finished building the temple of the Lord and the royal palace, and had achieved all he had desired to do, 2 the Lord appeared to him a second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon. 3 The Lord said to him:

    “I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me; I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

    4 “As for you, if you walk before me faithfully with integrity of heart and uprightness, as David your father did, and do all I command and observe my decrees and laws, 5 I will establish your royal throne over Israel forever, as I promised David your father when I said, ‘You shall never fail to have a successor on the throne of Israel.’

    6 “But if you or your descendants turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 7 then I will cut off Israel from the land I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. Israel will then become a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 8 This temple will become a heap of rubble. All who pass by will be appalled and will scoff and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 9 People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord their God, who brought their ancestors out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why the Lord brought all this disaster on them.’”

  27. Beloved says:

    Jeremiah 12 7I have forsaken My house;
    I have abandoned My inheritance.
    I have given the love of My life
    into the hands of her enemies.
    8My inheritance has become to Me
    like a lion in the forest.
    She has roared against Me;
    therefore I hate her.
    9Is not My inheritance to Me like a speckled bird of prey,a
    with other birds of prey circling against her?
    Go, gather all the beasts of the field;
    bring them to devour her.
    10Many shepherds have destroyed My vineyard;
    they have trampled My plot of ground.
    They have turned My pleasant field
    into a desolate wasteland.
    11They have made it a desolation.
    Desolate before Me, it mourns;
    all the land is laid waste,
    but no man takes it to heart.
    12Over all the barren heights in the wilderness
    the destroyers have come,
    for the sword of the LORD devours
    from one end of the earth to the other.
    No flesh shall have peace.
    13They have sown wheat but harvested thorns.
    They have exhausted themselves to no avail.
    Bear the shame of your harvest
    because of the fierce anger of the LORD.

  28. Beloved says:

    Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. 3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. 4 Do all these evildoers know nothing? They devour my people as though eating bread; they never call on the LORD. 5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous. 6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge. 7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad.

  29. street says:

    Sometimes I wonder if Israel is another name for Jesus, the true vine ,producing eternal fruit? Given a new spirit and conformed to His image.

  30. Beloved says:

    As Jesus was separated from His Father on the cross because of sin, so was Israel. But only temporarily.

  31. Beloved says:

    Jonah, what were we thinking?

    As Jonah was in the belly of the fish- suspended for 3 days between heaven and earth so was Jesus 3 days suspended between heaven and earth. Gods thinking is so much higher than ours. Less thinking more watching and waiting is important I {think}.

  32. jeff1 says:

    I rejoice in Your purpose today
    Though the end may feel so far away.
    I find peace in the love on Your face
    And rejoice in Your purpose today.

    I remember that You are the Lord,
    And I feast on each promise I’ve heard.
    What a strength when I stand on Your Word
    And remember that You are the Lord.

    Though confusion and struggle are all I can see
    And I wrestle alone with my pain,
    Lord, I know You are working this all for the best,
    And my suffering is never in vain.

    I rejoice in Your purpose today
    Though the end may feel so far away.
    I find peace in the love on Your face
    And rejoice in Your purpose today.

  33. street says:

    thinking of job and the disasters that came on him, a righteous man.

  34. street says:

    christians give sinners reason to take Jesus over christians. He is gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

    But stepping back “the call” can be for the sake of others.

    the invitation for the sake of others, becoming poor and making other rich.

    how can you make other rich if you have nothing to give?

    what did Jesus give us that made His followers so rich?

  35. bratimus says:

    Thought it was “Oh Jonah, bro” not “oh Job bro”, I rather go to the Gospels better reading.


  36. Beloved says:

    Chosen, I rejoice in Your purpose for me, today.

  37. street says:

    if Christians didn’t give them so many second thoughts about Jesus?

    a second wash in the dish washer?

    you must be born again.

    abraham trusted God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Jesus is the one Who provided that righteousness. God kept all His promises to abraham.

    the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.”

  38. jeff1 says:

    the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.”

    The certainty of God verses the uncertainty of man and why we put our trust in Him.

    The Promise

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    And my love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side
    (Yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  39. SFDBWV says:

    “So what happened”?
    When you look, not casually read, the Old Testament what in your heart are you looking for?

    It has been my experience, as I have often stated here, that you find whatever it is you are looking for.

    Do you find a loving caring nurturing Father in God? Do you find mercy and forgiveness? Do you find a patient and long suffering God? Do you find a God who is affecting the course of the future?

    Or do you find a God who kills off every living thing in all the earth except the few He chose to save after being sorry He had created them at all?

    Or a God who kills off all the first born of Egypt while keeping safe only those who obediently placed the blood of a lamb over their doorways?

    Or a God who drowned Pharaoh’s army while allowing the Hebrews to walk on a dry seabed as they crossed the Red Sea?

    Or a God who would not forgive Moses for striking the rock instead of speaking to it?

    Or a God who ordered the Israelis to kill every man, woman, child and even the animals in the land He ordered them to occupy?

    Mart poses the question as what happened to make the offspring of Jacob see other nations as “filthy dogs”.
    Well as you read the stories found in the Old Testament you see the Hebrew people who are hated by her neighbors, who are always under the threat of being conquered by them. Other nations who worship idols and demon gods, who murder children in sacrifice to their gods.

    You see a God who is so concerned about Israel being soiled by her neighbors that they are not to marry or have sexual relations with any or take any as wives so as not to bring sin into the nation.

    I pose this question, if you had witnessed the plagues of Egypt first hand, the miracles of the journey in the wilderness of Exodus. Seen and heard the mighty hand of God and seen your fellow countrymen stoned to death for not obeying the harsh Law of Moses. Would you be so quick to question God or His instructions?

    If by His instructions other nations were so diseased with sin that God had them utterly destroyed. How else would you see these other nations except as “filthy dogs”?

    Small wonder that when Jesus appeared on the scene His message of forgiveness and to love your enemies was met with skepticism and fear.

    In my own searches in Scripture, what I have found is that God has purpose in every little detail and that in the end it all comes together to show Jesus as Lord and yes in the end after all the seeming cruel events of history God is God, we are not, and love wins.


  40. poohpity says:

    Weren’t Rehab and Ruth from other nations yet they were the ancestors of Jesus? If God in His goodness and mercy did not intercede although it may seem harsh to us but to trust He had very good reason for what He did and it was for the benefit of the many for generations and for the few at the time as well then would He still be just?

    Have you ever seen the behavior of a very spoiled child who manipulates their way out of discipline, no one wants to be around them. They have no respect for others, life is all about them and getting their wants provided for without the least bit of concern for anyone else. When they run into struggles it is always someone else who is at blame and then on top of that the parent makes excuses for the ugliness that pours out of them.

    God disciplines those He loves and if He had let the wickedness that was prevalent in the early times of His creation continue would there even be a world today without His mercy which was shown repeatedly through the years. In Egypt He warned before He ever did anything as seemed to be the way He worked throughout history. If you do this, this will happen but no one listened did they? Do people still ignore His guidance and direction? Sure do but He still gives warnings and then on top of it put the very punishment we deserved upon His Son, even though God was well pleased with Him.

    That which was placed on the Son covered everyone from the past, present and future. If people think they have not sinned or that their sins are not that bad, they will never understand the fullness of God’s grace nor will they be able to see how much grace was actually shown the people of the OT.

  41. poohpity says:

    God allowed the people to go to the very gods they worshiped for help but since they were not real gods at all they were not very much help, were they? Did God ever turn anyone away that turned to Him no matter what their nationality was?

  42. phpatato says:

    WOW Steve!!!

    You have put me in a nutshell. My struggle exactly. It is a daily thing for me not to get worked up over what I read is happening in the world. I think it exacerbates because of the bumbling, outrageous, embarrassing antics the Prime Minister of Canada does on a daily basis, so it becomes more vivid and personal for me.

    It is an important daily thing for me to stop, close my eyes so that I can get quiet. Psalm 46:10 I seem to run way ahead, in a frantic “the sky is falling” quandary; a mother hen fearful for her chicks.

    Getting quiet and resting in Him….I often ask myself where would I be if I couldn’t and didn’t do that. Knowing that “God has purpose in every little detail and that in the end it all comes together to show Jesus as Lord and yes in the end after all the seeming cruel events of history God is God, we are not, and love wins.” is a comfort for me that can’t be put into words. It is in the small world around me that I have to function in and as long I as do my best in showing love to those in it and to whoever God places on my path, I can leave the rest to Him knowing He IS in control and His will WILL be done.

    I like the NKJV rendering of Philippians 4:4-6.

    Blessings to all And thanks Steve. You have a way of grounding me

    Pat xo

  43. street says:

    If by His instructions other nations were so diseased with sin that God had them utterly destroyed. How else would you see these other nations except as “filthy dogs”?

    thinking about israel and judah. israel the older sister was pretty bad before God her creator and judah was worse.

    sinful nation in need of a Savior. a Savior rejected by the nations, yet the offer can be accepted by individuals to trust in God, and the Lamb that He sent.

    was thinking about works vs faith. how can you work to please God if He destroys the body of flesh and blood? abraham issac and jacob have no body but are alive to God. that would be a very intresting place to be. thinking of the mountain of transfiguration.

    started think of this call to be separated from them. it is made in the new testament too. thinking of a couple places it is mentioned in the new. God seems to be busy in the vineyard.

    thinking of the journey job took. was not satisfied till he had his time in God’s presents. thinking of the journey jonah took or even jacob’s night in the wilderness in the wrestling on his return. Father always gets His way. for Christ Glory and our good.

    to love and protect, for His Name sake.

    only Christ to boast in.

  44. bubbles says:

    Pat, I had to turn off the radio this week because the news was so terrible and I couldn’t stand to hear what was happening. I have often thought of moving to Canada when I retire if I live that long.

  45. street says:

    John 16:33
    These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”

  46. street says:

    4 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, 2 but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled [a]to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this [b]world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving [c]so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants [d]for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

    7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; 8 we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10 always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11 For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So death works in us, but life in you.

    13 But having the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed, therefore I spoke,” we also believe, therefore we also speak, 14 knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you. 15 For all things are for your sakes, so that the grace which is [e]spreading to more and more people may cause the giving of thanks to abound to the glory of God.

    16 Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. 17 For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, 18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

  47. jeff1 says:

    I see a complex God which is why perhaps I would rather keep my focus on Jesus as He gives me hope for the future and having lived in a country divided by its religious history I know to well where it leads.

    God knows best when it comes to the world and I have peace in Jesus when I don’t allow others or the world to disturb it.

    O Father, we remember You.
    What mercies without end!
    All history sings Your faithful love,
    Redeemer, Savior, Friend!

    So now as darkness seems to fall,
    We sing of victories won,
    For passing shadows simply prove
    The presence of the Sun.

    With need as constant as Your grace,
    We come to You again.
    Unchanging God, our childlike faith
    Awaits Your how and when.

    Give now or when the harvest comes,
    We trust Your loving choice.
    With longing hearts we work and watch
    And always, Lord, rejoice!

  48. Beloved says:


    The LORD led me to share at Bible Study how He sustained and strengthened me after becoming a Christian while married to a violent unbeliever for 3 more years. A longtime bible reader and faithful pray-er gasped and said “ The Bible really is for us today!” Wow.
    I was told God had brought me there today. Blessed my heart to see light penetrating grey heads like mine. God is faithful. And good.

  49. Beloved says:

    Viv the apostles were also living in a country divided by religion with terrible things done to Christ followers. During the time of Emperor Nero Christians were tied on poles and lit on fire to illuminate his gardens. Jesus was their leader and ours today as you attest to often. Things may never change in Ireland, that’s up to God, but we have this hope in earthen vessels, don’t we. God uses afflictions to draw us closer to Him. There’s so much to unlearn yet much to learn about God. And it’s ALL good!

  50. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I don’t see change in my time but I never give up hope. These quotes from C. S. Lewis are enlightening as to what getting closer to Jesus looks like.

    Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are, if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ.

    I need Christ, not something that resembles Him.

    The Christian life is simply a process of having your natural self changed into a Christ self, and that this process goes on very far inside. One’s most private wishes, one’s point of view, are the things that have to be changed.

    The man in Christ rose again, not only the God.

    The birth of Christ is the central event in the history of the earth– the very thing the whole story has been about.

  51. street says:

    12 For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you. 13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end; 14 just as you also partially did understand us, that we are your reason to be proud as you also are ours, in the day of our Lord Jesus.

    seems the light of Christ never changes, it just gets brighter. we began, died, with grace and mercy and we will end, live, with grace and mercy in Christ.

    the best things in life are to be shared, because of the abundance. no shortage of the goodness of God.

  52. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    Have stopped by in a couple of days, so I’m pretty anxious to chat with you all. Sitting here at my desk after a mildly busy day of chores eating store bought veggie spaghetti with added garlic powder, black pepper and some extra spaghetti sauce. Decided on a quick dinner so I could have more time to sit down and enjoy the rest of the day. With the exception of Mart’s intro comment, I haven’t read any of the other comments on this blog topic yet. I decided to share a thought or two first.

    Mart said, “Oh, Jonah, bro! What am I thinking? What have we missed? Could it have something to do with what Moses and Paul were feeling when they said that if God didn’t do for others what he had done for them, they didn’t want the privilege– or the job (Exodus 32:31-32 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ) (Romans 9:1-3 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).”

    Mart’s thoughts make me think about how Jonah felt when the Lord asked him to do for others and how Moses and Paul felt when they were asked to do for others. Am thinking about how they were on different spiritual levels (we’re all on different spiritual levels) and the profound truth that “He who began a good work in us will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”

  53. Regina says:

    Whoa… Submitted a little too fast! My finger hit the button before I was ready.

    Correction: “Haven’t not Have”

    Shared Philippians 1:6 in my comment.

    67 degrees and raining in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  54. jeff1 says:

    Through It All

    I’ve had many tears and sorrows,
    I’ve had questions for tomorrow,
    there’s been times I didn’t know right from wrong.
    But in every situation,
    God gave me blessed consolation,
    that my trials come to only make me strong.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I’ve been to lots of places,
    I’ve seen a lot of faces,
    there’s been times I felt so all alone.
    But in my lonely hours,
    yes, those precious lonely hours,
    Jesus lets me know that I was His own

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I thank God for the mountains,
    and I thank Him for the valleys,
    I thank Him for the storms He brought me through.
    For if I’d never had a problem,
    I wouldn’t know God could solve them,
    I’d never know what faith in God could do.

  55. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning fellow BTA friends, we have had 4.71 inches of rain since 1am and are dealing with some minor flooding issues as well as a filled to the max flood control levee at present.

    The rain has stopped but the North Branch of the Potomac and Buffalo Creek continue to rise.

    Prayers are needed for this situation to subside.


  56. jeff1 says:

    Regina says,

    Mart’s thoughts make me think about how Jonah felt when the Lord asked him to do for others and how Moses and Paul felt when they were asked to do for others. Am thinking about how they were on different spiritual levels (we’re all on different spiritual levels) and the profound truth that “He who began a good work in us will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”

    Those on a higher spiritual level can discern the spiritual level of those on a lower because they are closer to God as God as drawn them closer.

    Obedience is what brings me to a higher spiritual level and the many interpretations of the Bible today are evidence that it takes obedience and not knowledge.

    God is all He says He is and more but the world today is blinded not just by non believers but many believers who find it easier to put knowledge before obedience and play God rather then agree He knows better and obey Him.

    I will fail more in trying to obey Him but at least I have tried and He knows I try which I believe pleases Him more as He has not demanded perfection from me but assurance that as I do my bit He will do His.

    He Will Carry You

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you
    He said, “Come unto Me all who are weary, and I will give you rest”

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you

    I know my brother and I know my sister
    That He, He’s going to carry you
    Oh yes, He will
    He’s going to carry you

  57. SFDBWV says:

    The rivers have dropped about 3 feet and prayerfully will rapidly continue to do so.


  58. poohpity says:

    Steve, praying with you that the water in your neck of the woods continues to recede.

    As I think about the difference in how Jonah felt regarding his so called enemies, I see someone who looked down on them not feeling they were worthy of God’s compassion or mercy not realizing that God had compassion on him just like he did them. Selfishness!

    Which would be the totally opposite of Moses and Paul who knew and experienced God’s compassion in their lives and would give up their lives if it would help others know and experience that very thing for themselves. Selflessness!

    Jonah may have felt that he had to earn God’s love but Moses and Paul knew that God’s love came from Him to those who did not deserve it but were worthy because to God every single person was worth and of much value to Him. No one ever deserves what God has done for them nor can they earn it by being what one might think as being self declared good or righteous, God knows that not to be true about all humanity. Romans 3:9-10 NLT

    Those who realize how much they have been forgiven often are the very dispensers of God’s grace towards others(Moses and Paul). Those who do not realize the amount of compassion shown to them are the very one’s who would point their fingers at others in condemnation and judgement(Jonah).

  59. poohpity says:

    In the world or the ways of the flesh people who are chosen usually think of themselves as better than others in some form of fashion thus tend to look down their noses at other people but those who have Spirit of God living in them will obey the commands of Jesus. John 13:34, 15:12,17; Matt 5:44; 1 John 3:23, 4:7

  60. poohpity says:

    Where the love God is shown best in a person comes out more clearer than anywhere else is how one treats their enemies. They know that we were all once enemies of God but for the grace of God now we are His children and shouldn’t His children act like they are and by that love bring more children into His loving arms even if we might deem them as enemies.

    Faith Brings Joy

    5 Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. 2 Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God’s glory.

    3 We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they help us develop endurance. 4 And endurance develops strength of character, and character strengthens our confident hope of salvation. 5 And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.

    6 When we were utterly helpless, Christ came at just the right time and died for us sinners. 7 Now, most people would not be willing to die for an upright person, though someone might perhaps be willing to die for a person who is especially good. 8 But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. 9 And since we have been made right in God’s sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God’s condemnation. 10 For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son. 11 So now we can rejoice in our wonderful new relationship with God because our Lord Jesus Christ has made us friends of God.

  61. jeff1 says:

    Jonah did not believe he had to earn God’s love because it was because he believed in God’s willingness, compassion and power to save his enemies that he did not want to go.

    I can see Jonah had a lack of love for his enemies but an incredible faith in God.

  62. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it an oxymoron to say Jonah had an incredible faith in God YET refused to do what God asked of Him or lacked love for His enemies?

  63. poohpity says:

    If Jonah had faith he would have like many other prophets forego what he wanted for what God wanted. I agree with you Viv that Jonah did not want to earn God’s love I miss spoke about that now that I think about that, Jonah really did not care about God’s love, it seems, at all.

  64. jeff1 says:

    Forget Jonah’s lack of love and think of the faith he had in God in knowing that God was abounding in love.

    He knew God and it was in knowing God that he became angry because he didn’t want his enemies forgiven.

    So faith in itself did not make Jonah right with God but God Himself makes Jonah and his enemies right with Him.

  65. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 11:16
    New International Version
    And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him

  66. Beloved says:

    God is love, as Jonah learned and do we all the more we earnestly seek Him.

  67. jeff1 says:

    I would agree with C. S. Lewis I may not always like the way God works and Jonah is an example of that.

    “You can’t lay down any pattern for God. There are many different ways of bringing people into his Kingdom, even some ways that I specially dislike! I have therefore learned to be cautious in my judgment”.

    I don’t think that Jonah’s faith is in question as he knew God so well that he knew God’s intention.

    He stumbled because he found he was as human as his enemies and was not able to forgive or love them as God could.

  68. poohpity says:

    If faith is not shown in actions it is not faith at all but just words. James 2:17, 20 ,26; Gal 5:6

  69. poohpity says:

    James 2:26

  70. poohpity says:

    Hate and love do not co-exist together in one’s heart either there is one or the other. One can say anything to justify one’s self especially if they hold hate in their heart towards others. 1 John 2:11, 4:20

  71. Beloved says:

    Viv I think it’s so interesting that God took the time to reveal to Jonah ( through the fig tree) how much He loved, to want Nineveh to be saved from His justice. He’s just as patient with us. We are ever learning the closer we get to Him.

    I’m reading a book on suffering by Ravi Zacharias and he offers that without pain we could not understand goodness. Something to think about.

  72. Beloved says:

    Love and hate exists in God’s heart as in ours. We are to hate evil and love enemies.

    Let those who love the Lord hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
    — Psalm 97:10

    [Jesus said,] “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.”

    — Matthew 5:43-45
    Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

    — Romans 12:9
    To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

    — Proverbs 8:13
    Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph.

    — Amos 5:15
    “I hate divorce,” says the LORD God of Israel, … “So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.”

  73. Beloved says:

    When I struggle with sin I tell God what it is ( specifically) and tell Him I don’t want to continue sinning and ask Him to help me. The challenge is waiting to be delivered and having to pray for help over and over and over again until He has broken this specific sin’s power in my life. By praying in a submissive posture I am assured of Him hearing me, because of His love, mercy, and justice.

  74. cbrown says:

    Good afternoon all. If Jonah had faith he would have known that being thrown in the ocean would not overcome God’s will.He would have realized that it is not God’s desire that any should perish but that all should repent. He would have known that the Israelites were chosen(the elect) to bring salvation to the nations and he would have rejoiced at serving a loving God.As Jesus said, Mathew 3:16 let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and gorify your Father which is in heaven.

  75. jeff1 says:

    I think I can understand Jonah as the difficulty for me is hating evil and loving my enemies as how do I separate the one from the other.

    Love must be sincere so I cannot say I love my enemies unless I do.

    I try to forget the pain and suffering they have caused but I see the consequences and am consumed with sadness.

    I am happy to be sad if that is my penitence as I trust God though I don’t understand anymore than Jonah did.

  76. jeff1 says:

    Yes, it would seem that Jonah made very bad calls and that God knew him better than he knew God! No surprises there though!

  77. Beloved says:

    Jonah 4:1 Jonah, however, was greatly displeased, and became angry.

    2So he prayed to the LORD, saying, “O LORD, is this not what I said while I was still in my own country? This is why I was so quick to flee toward Tarshish.

    I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion—One who relents from sending disaster.

    3And now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live.”

  78. Beloved says:

    Jonah said he knew God yet was angry with Him for being compassionate toward his enemies. I think it’s quite common to expect good from God for ourselves but when it comes to our enemies, not so much!

    Oh Jesus who died for me when I was an enemy of God I praise and thank you.

  79. Beloved says:

    4 But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”

    5 Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city. There he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade and waited to see what would happen to the city. 6 Then the Lord God provided a leafy plant and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the plant.

    7 But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the plant so that it withered.

    8 When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”

    9 But God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?”

    “It is,” he said. “And I’m so angry I wish I were dead.”

    10 But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight.

    11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people *who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

    *means they were completely immoral.

  80. cbrown says:

    Good afternoon Beloved. Jonah had the same mindset as the Pharisees. He was more concerned with his Kingdom and did not have faith in God’s plan.

  81. jeff1 says:

    I have empathy with Jonah’s reluctance as his heart was not in the task and I believe he would rather God choose another for the job.

    I also wonder why God would choose the reluctant prophet knowing his heart was far from His. (God’s that is)

  82. Beloved says:

    Chris I was just thinking the same thing! How are you?

  83. Beloved says:

    Viv it shows me He chooses who He pleases. You don’t have to be great, smart, zealous or powerful, just follow and even when we fail God is still ready to use us as He pleases to bring Glory to Himself!

  84. Beloved says:

    Remember Peter who denied Jesus 3 times? Yet Jesus asked him 3 times, do you love me, after he rose. Gods got it all covered and knows what He’s doing. He is God, after all!

  85. jeff1 says:

    Well yes, it seems Jonah is an example of failure and still God tries to explain to him rather than tell him whose boss.

    God doesn’t follow human logic and perhaps why it is difficult to get Him.

    You have to prove your worth to people or they don’t trust you and yet God can trust some shady characters by all accounts.

    Not making any insinuations but thinking of the diversity of characters in the Bible.

  86. cbrown says:

    Beloved, I had an interesting Thursday night. One of the inmates who comes to the Bible study was sharing how he was an orphan since he was 4. His dad tried to kill him and social services removed him from the “home”. He has a 3in by 1 1/2in scar on the back of his head as a result. He explained that he has burn scars on his back from burns inflicted by his dad and for the longest time he hated all men.
    3 years ago he accepted Christ as his Savior and he is born again and a new person. Everybody on His cell block knows what Christ means to him and what “He” can do for them. Praise God for David.

  87. Beloved says:

    Gives me chills, Chris, praise God He is sooo good and faithful. To turn bitterness hate and anger into love is truly a miracle the new birth makes possible. Thank you Jesus!!!

  88. street says:

    5 “See, I have taught you statutes and judgments just as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should do thus in the land where you are entering to possess it. 6 So keep and do them, for that is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples who will hear all these statutes and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’ 7 For what great nation is there that has a god so near to it as is the Lord our God whenever we call on Him?

    Job 28:12 “But where can wisdom be found? And where is the place of understanding?

    Job 34:10
    “Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to do wrong.

    21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 22 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

    23 Turning to the disciples, He said privately, “Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see,

    Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

  89. Beloved says:

    God said He would remove hearts of stone and replace them with hearts of flesh, Ezekiel36

    I wonder if he was speaking of stone as the tablets (10) and flesh as Christs sacrifice, if we accept Him as Savior.

  90. street says:

    a heart replaced by the Spirit of God, yet still alive by faith in every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

    Grace and mercy required.

    8 and he also informed us of your love in the Spirit.

    9 For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;

    2 Timothy 2:7
    Consider what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. “not me”

    4 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, 2 but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

  91. street says:

    dear jeff, shady characters. by all accounts of scripture, we were completely dark characters. because of what Christ, the Light of the world, has done, these chosen and all who would come to Him, can find redemption and life. God makes it pretty clear even ninivah is not too far removed from His grace and mercy. i guess even israel stumbled in regard to the gentiles. there was a gentile court in the Temple. it was taken over marketers who had different ideas. in the final chapter of jonah the reader is allowed to decide how the story ends in regard to jonah.

    i never though of jonah having great faith before, but he definitely served a Greater God. i think God mirrors His Greatness off these characters in the Bible for a reason.

    to have the affection david had for God. i can see why john said to guard your hearts. God seen in Chirst from birth to the ascension. the implication of God in human flesh is staggering.

  92. foreverblessed says:

    Praise God for everything!
    I am back safely! Thanks for your prayer, Beloved!
    People drive fast on the German motorways.
    (100 miles per hour sometimes).

    I thoroughly have enjoyed the “vacation” (not holiday, Regionale thanks, I have learned english, not american)

    To enjoy God’s wonderful creation, it is so impressive in the mountains!

    Got this from the Getty site, Kirstin Getty, they have a conference right now, and Matt Redman sang his 10.000 reasons:

    Matt Redman says

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    “Whatever may pass
    And whatever lies before me
    Let me be singing
    When the evening comes”
    ― Matt Redman, 10,000 Reasons
    Worthy of Worship for “Ten Thousand Years and Then Forevermore”
    It was an honor to have Matt Redman make a surprise guest appearance at last year’s Sing Conference to lead the congregation in singing his song, 10,000 Reasons, inspired by Psalm 103:1 – “Bless the LORD, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless his holy name!”.

    In the words of the artist, “we live beneath an unceasing flow of goodness, kindness, greatness, and holiness, and every day we’re given reason after reason why Jesus is so completely and utterly worthy of our highest and best devotion”.

    So I wanted to share that!

    Also praising God for having saved that inmate Chris wrote about.
    It gives me chills too!

  93. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    June 30, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    i never though of jonah having great faith before, but he definitely served a Greater God. i think God mirrors His Greatness off these characters in the Bible for a reason.

    I would love to have the faith jonah had has he didn’t doubt God’s goodness and why he didn’t want the job.

    Jonah was honest with God and so God give him an explanation which give jonah something to think about as jonah was blinded by the evil of ninivah.

    The lesson I take is that God’s reasoning is way above mine and jonah’s story makes me thankful for that as I see how I would have failed like jonah because he jonah (I) took his eyes of God and seen only the evil of ninivah.

    Another lesson is that I can have faith in God and not be listening to Him because I have made up my mind while God wants me to have His mind.

    I love jonah’s story because it give me a greater insight to God and empathy for jonah because I can see his failings would also be mine.

    I think it is easy to be critical of jonah I am on the outside looking in but if I had been in jonah’s shoes I don’t think they would have fitted me any better.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    So true Jeff, same with me.

    Now that Chris gave the story of that inmate, it even makes more sense now:
    God addresses the nature of the anger in Jonah.
    Just as God dealt with the anger of that inmate. With the backround of this man it is easier to understand where that anger came from.

    In Jesus all these “sins” like anger, is healed.
    Lovingly God does it with Jonah.
    God did not talk harshly wiht Jonah as Jesus did with the Pharisees.

    Jonah stand for all of us. All of us have anger issues that God will deal with.

  95. cbrown says:

    Good morning to all!God was talking to Jonah directly but the reason the Book of Jonah is in the Bible is HE was talking to the Pharisees and finally to us.

  96. poohpity says:

    I totally disagree. Jonah was not blinded by the evil of Nineveh but the hate and evil that took up residence in his own heart. Jonah’s disobedience caused the people on the ship that were on their way to another port except Jonah came on board so they tossed all their provisions and stuff they needed to sail overboard and almost lost their lives because of Jonah, along with the 120,000 people of Nineveh not hearing a message from God so the loss of their salvation due to hate. God was dealing with the heart of stone that was inside Jonah, God’s chosen messenger. Do we ever hear again how God used Jonah to do God’s work, no, unless it is for us reading the story today to see how selfishness, hate and anger can bring to ruin not only our own lives but the lives of others that we may come in contact with.

    Even though God had showed mercy to Jonah over and over, Jonah would not show that to others. Which is the reason I think that Mart chose him to compare the failures of being chosen yet not living a chosen life like that of Moses or Paul who would have given their lives so that others would come to know God.

  97. poohpity says:

    It seems the moral of the story that Mart gave us was that many claim to be “Christians” or chosen by God YET do nothing or live lives that look so much like the world around them not a reflection of a life that was shown forgiveness or grace.

    Anyone can be kind to others when they are kind to you or do good to those we like but where the rubber meets the road is how we treat others who do not think, act or believe as we do. Do we actually show grace that was so undeserved to other undeserving folks just like what was done for us?

    Is one all talk but no fruit?

  98. poohpity says:

    Although it may seem like a broken record playing over and over again. Faith without good deeds is worthless as per the half brother of Jesus, James. Not showing grace after we have been shown so much grace is meaningless and shows ingratitude to the Nth degree. Grace a gift to the undeserving like me and each of you.

  99. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 1, 2019 at 7:49 am

    Even though God had showed mercy to Jonah over and over, Jonah would not show that to others. Which is the reason I think that Mart chose him to compare the failures of being chosen yet not living a chosen life like that of Moses or Paul who would have given their lives so that others would come to know God.

    Yet, I have learned today from jonah’s story and surely that is what the stories from the Bible are for my correction and rebuke!

  100. poohpity says:

    Yes that is why I wrote above, “Do we ever hear again how God used Jonah to do God’s work, no, unless it is for us reading the story today to see how selfishness, hate and anger can bring to ruin not only our own lives but the lives of others that we may come in contact with.”

    All the stories in scripture show us how God used very, very imperfect people to be His outreach to mankind. Murders, thieves, liars, prostitutes, over zealous religious people, deceivers that is why I had so much hope that God could also use me even in the smallest way. That was why I found reading the bible so wonderful all the screw ups that God used throughout history until even today and in the future.

  101. cbrown says:

    Pooh, the “Our Daily Bread” for today 7/1 was directly on point to what you were saying. Love, Chris

  102. foreverblessed says:

    I have difficulty with that message,

    To first come to Rest in Jesus is the main thing!
    Our eyes fixed on Jesus, having love for Him.
    And the natural outcome will be that we will help others, but not because of the need of people, but because the love of Jesus is growing in our hearts.

    Is the need of people are our driving force, this would really burn us out.

    The driving force for our being, is love for Christ, the One who Saved us, to trust in Him. A trust that will become so great that we are not acting out of despair, because so many people are hungry, and lost.

    BUt we are acting because we are so full of Trust in God, that with Him all things are possible, that when we give one loaf the thousand will be fed.

    But inj order to be such a miracle worker we first have to be trained, a long period
    the desert period

    But I am speaking as someone who has done soo much, without having the real trust relation with Jesus.

    I am not against helping others, but the groundpoint has to be with my eys fixed on Jesus.

    I am somebody who believes that as a christian we are saved by Jesus, but that after that Jesus has a long training and disciplining programm, to train a christian to be a real instrument in His Hands.

    That our old man is put to death, and the new man in Christ is growing.

    Jesus gives little commands to help others, to let a willingness to help grow in us.

    An instrument that is well-tuned and always ready to play.

  103. foreverblessed says:

    But the point Chris made, that through Jonah God was talking to the Pharisees:

    I was thinking the story of Jonah ends the same way as that of the prodical son:
    The wayward son comes to his senses and comes back home,
    In contrast to the elder son, who remained loyal to his dad, nonehteless.
    But he did not have the heart relation with his father.

    The father ends in saying:
    Luke 15:31-32
    31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

    There the story ends.

    Jonah ends like this:
    I believe Beloved already posted it, but I’ll do it again:

    Jonah 4:10-11
    “10 But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. 11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?””

    When I think about Jonah, I always think that Jonah did get the point of what God was saying, and that he did repent.
    I surely think so that that is true!

  104. Beloved says:

    Forever I think I understand what you’re saying. Honestly some days I have no desire to help people, like today for instance. To be truthful I even despise some people at the moment which is why I’m sitting with Jesus to get His perspective right now. Psalm 37:4 Delight yourself in Me, yes, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

  105. Beloved says:

    Did God condemn Jonah for his angry actions???? NO!

  106. poohpity says:

    Forever did not Jesus say that His command was this; “to love others as He has loved us” is that not a command to help the needy, lame, sick, broken as He did while He was on this earth. Didn’t Jesus say;

    The Final Judgement

    31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

    37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

    40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

    41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. 42 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

    44 “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’

    45 “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

    46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

  107. Beloved says:

    It appears God only condemned those who refused Him in both testaments.

  108. Beloved says:

    Yes thank you Forever I hadn’t made that connection between the story of the prodigal and Jonah. I’m guessing if I went through the entire Bible this story would be found from beginning to end.

  109. poohpity says:

    If we truly believe in Jesus then our faith will result in actions or in other words good works that were created in advance for us to do. Eph 2:10 NLT Our works are not to get us eternal life or salvation but done after we received salvation which are the proof that we have been saved and trust God.

  110. poohpity says:

    It would seem that if people think they have to do something grand in nature rather than the little things in life like being kind to those who are not kind to us, it does not matter but even the little things count to God.

  111. street says:

    blindness of unforgiveness
    the blindness of judgment
    blindness of sin against God
    the blindness of ignorance

    even after the law, blindness continues till trust is established. the blood of bull and goat reminded the worshipers yearly of past sins and the current ones.

    a trust in mercy and forgiveness. new every morning comes to mind. light comes in the morning too. the light cast out the darkness. Jesus the light of the world. the end of darkness for a human soul. not the end of suffering, but an end to deadness. the increase of His rule and of peace there will be no end.

    some day an end to suffering. the righteous do suffer, but it is temporary. has i think of jonah jerimiah and job….i don’t think i would want to wear their shoes. yet we are called to follow Christ

  112. foreverblessed says:

    Follow Me

    That’s the point.

    Isn’t that what we have to learn, Beloved?
    If I do not feel to help others,
    I have to learn to share that “sin” with Jesus.

    The getting to really be close with Jesus, that’s the point.

    Seek His face, is saying: get conscious ofe the ptesence

  113. foreverblessed says:

    O dwars, instead of correcting it was Oosting

    I wanted to write:
    When feeling like you said: drop everything and seek to get close contact with Jesus.
    Till His peace makes me calm again.
    And filled with love and His strength get up and go!

    Such a difficult thing to do, instead, I go whining about the fact that I do not feel like helping others.
    What a waste of time.

    The discipline of going to the Fountain of our Being: Jesus
    And sit at His feet,
    Till we are filled again!

  114. foreverblessed says:

    My autocorect does not get english anymore, only dutch, that is so much harder
    O dear — O dwars
    It was posting — it was Oosting

    Getting real close with Jesus
    Getting so much more conscious of Him

    Looking to the world, if that makes me fearful, and depressed

    Go back to Jesus
    Like Mary and sit at His feet.

    Tell Him about all your feelings, and stay there till the Spirit revives you again.

    And then get up…

  115. jeff1 says:

    Looking at the characters in the Bible I see a God who is present with His followers and not judgemental of them but supporting them throughout and so when I fail I know that God does care and is active in my life which is more than I deserve.

    You Raise Me Up

    When I am down and oh my soul so weary
    When troubles come and my heart burdened be
    Then I am still and wait here in the silence
    Until you come and sit a while with me

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains (stand on mountains)
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas (stormy seas)
    I am strong (I am strong), when I am on your shoulders (I am strong)
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains (stand on mountains)
    You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas (stormy seas)
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
    You raise me up, to more than I can be

    You raise me up, to more than I can be

  116. Beloved says:

    So very very true Forever. I’ve been sitting quietly with the LORD Jesus for the last couple hours and I believe He revealed that while all suffering is ultimately His to deal out as He pleases for His names’ sake that it is people and the devil He uses to accomplish His will. When Jesus was going to die he called Peter a devil. Our battle is not with flesh and blood, thinking about the Chaldeans and their brutality (Ninevah) . The worst of the worst! So much easier to fight against flesh and blood, I think. So many ways! Yet God is greater as the Bible points out over and over and over again. It’s easy to get caught up in our personal suffering, then it becomes our own personal idol to carry around as a badge of honor, like our own golden calf melted down and worshipped instead of given away for the good of others.

    Father forgive me if I’ve misspoken.

  117. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved for your openess.

    Our own struggle!
    Mine is to insist in going to Jesus for Rest.
    Instead of having my thoughts go over and over again on that what went/is wrong.
    Like Pat, who shared how depressed she gets about the world news. I really got depressed about the environment being polluted, when I was a teenager. Without the acid rain, and Trees die-ing. What a way back into the Peace that only is in Christ.

    But as Jeff said, and you: see how lovingly God deals with Jonah.
    With that tree that grows, and then withers.

    When we were in the mountains, it was lunchtime, and we were looking for a place to eat, a nice place in the shade and in the wind, for it was quite warm.
    It took awhile, the we found a Castle high on the hill, and we thought: let’s go there!
    Park the car, quite a walk, it was a monastery, we could walk around, no café, walked inside, and found a room where many people wereld sitting.
    It was a meditation!

    It was as if God was saying:
    “Look for the spiritual food!”
    At the same time it sounded like:
    “I am the Bread of Life”

    Really very lovingly that was!

    God is still speaking today!
    Not anything different than what He already has revealed in the Bible.

  118. poohpity says:

    I think it is really good to consider “the reason” for our salvation and having a relationship with God.

    If We Are the Body
    Casting Crowns

    It’s crowded in worship today
    As she slips in trying to fade into the faces
    The girls teasing laughter is carrying farther than they know
    Farther than they know

    But if we are the body
    Why aren’t His arms reaching?
    Why aren’t His hands healing?
    Why aren’t His words teaching?
    And if we are the body
    Why aren’t His feet going?
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way?
    There is a way, there is a way

    A traveler is far away from home
    He sheds his coat and quietly sinks into the back row
    The weight of their judgmental glances
    Tells him that his chances are better out on the road

    But if we are the body
    Why aren’t His arms reaching?
    Why aren’t His hands healing?
    Why aren’t His words teaching?
    And if we are the body
    Why aren’t His feet going?
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way?

    Jesus paid much too high a price
    For us to pick and choose who should come

    And we are the body of Christ
    But if we are the body
    Why aren’t His arms reaching?
    Why aren’t His hands healing?
    Why aren’t His words teaching?
    And if we are the body
    Why aren’t His feet going?
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way?
    Jesus is the way
    Jesus is the way
    we are His hands
    We are His feet
    We are His body
    Jesus is the way

  119. Beloved says:

    Look for the spiritual food!!! I love that! These bodies are wasting away but the Word of life lives on forever. Oh how good to meditate on the Living Word.

  120. Beloved says:

    The Body is broken. Broken feet hands mouth eyes and ears. Our only hope is Christ in us. The singers and philosophers of the age have high hopes for heaven on earth, but it’s only another broken earth bound dream. Our hope is in heaven where Jesus lives! Where brokenness is exchanged for perfection and all eyes are forever focused on God, worshipping day and night. That is perfection and happiness beyond our broken understanding.

  121. poohpity says:

    Happy Canada Day! To our Canadian friends.

  122. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    I pray that all is well in your lives. Have ((SO)) enjoyed reading the comments on this blog topic! And I’ve seen that “fish wearing goggles” picture on another blog topic.
    phpatato, you made a comment in one of your blog comments that you (and others?) are a “hated people”… Are yall hated because you’re “Christians”, “Jews” or “Canadians?”
    steve, I’m so glad that you and Matt had a wonderful day out on 6-27-19. It’s such a blessing that Matt is able to go out and enjoy the weather, do fun activities and eat a delicious meal away from home. Your close relationship with Matt and your willingness to sacrifice on his behalf brought this Bible verse to mind…
    “Teach us to number our days that we may gain a heart of wisdom” Psalm 90:12
    You taught Matt how to enjoy each day that the Lord gives him. By the way, why are yall always so exhausted when you come home from a day out? Enjoyed reading your comment on 6-29-19 – 5:22 am, and I, too, am thanking God that the flood waters are receding in your neck of the woods.
    phpatato, enjoyed reading your comment too (though I don’t remember when you posted it)… Have you lived in Canada your whole life? And your country’s leader has something in common with the current U.S. President (though I don’t want to reveal the commonality). So glad that you’ve learned how to finding a “resting place” in Jesus!
    bubbles, I feel your pain regarding the news this week and last week! :-( The situation going on at the Texas/Mexico border is heart-breaking! It seems like the situation will never be resolved… thousands of desperate people (migrants) coming from other countries, and trying (desperately) to enter the U.S. I understand that we can’t allow everyone who wants entry to come into the country, but it’s just so sad to see news reports of people who are willing to risk “life and limb” in order to get in.
    Am also curious about something you said re: spending your retirement years in Canada… Out of all of the places in the world to spend your retirement years, why would you choose Canada?
    jeff1, You have a great breath of knowledge on what it means to be a Christian… a disciple of Jesus Christ. The Lord gave you a good portion of spiritual wisdom, friend, and your comment on 6-30-19 – 4:46 am brought this Bible verse to mind…
    “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.” ~ 1 Samuel 15:22
    Well, gonna go watch a little “boob tube” now. 78 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  123. Regina says:

    I 2nd your comment pooh… Happy “Canada Day” to all of our Canadian friends on this blog! Curious… what do yall do on “Canada Day?” I guess our equivalent to your special day would be July 4th. Our Independence Day holiday could be referred to as “America Day!” :-)

  124. jeff1 says:

    Regina, your words have given me encouragement today as seeing how I would have failed as jonah did causes me great doubts.

    I wish I were more consistent but my mind is a burden that causes me to extremes of fatigue or over zealous which plays havoc with my thoughts.

    Have just worked with a Canadian in our charity shop as she is married to a local. I love the Canadian accent and I can remember my friends and I when in conversion with a British soldier who was Canadian asking him to keep talking as we so enjoyed listening to his accent.

    I wish all a good one.

  125. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    July 1, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    The Body is broken. Broken feet hands mouth eyes and ears. Our only hope is Christ in us. The singers and philosophers of the age have high hopes for heaven on earth, but it’s only another broken earth bound dream. Our hope is in heaven where Jesus lives! Where brokenness is exchanged for perfection and all eyes are forever focused on God, worshipping day and night. That is perfection and happiness beyond our broken understanding.

    Thinking even Paul had a thorn in his side and its almost like he was glad of it as he knew it was by God’s decree.


    I know you’re hurting your heart needs healing,
    Let me dry your eyes I know your feeling;
    Like the sun will never shine again,
    Like the pain inside will never end;
    Sometimes it takes a little faith to mend.

    We are broken to become more beautiful,
    Tried by fire to shine like gold;
    We are shattered to free the diamonds in our souls,
    We are broken to be whole.

    Love let you fall, now you’re in pieces,
    And your thoughts are scattered, what are the reasons?
    Oh, but time will work as medicine,
    And you’ll find your wings to fly again;
    Higher than you’ve ever been.

    We are broken to become more beautiful,
    Tried by fire to shine like gold;
    We are shattered to free the diamonds in our souls,
    We are broken to be whole.

    Yeah, we are broken to be whole.
    We are broken to be whole.

  126. foreverblessed says:

    thank you for the song Jeff!
    And Regina, you make it so personal, reacting to so many comments! Great

    I had thought about the topic a little further, and came up with this:

  127. foreverblessed says:

    Jonah was not like Moses and Paul:

    Willing to vicariously suffer for the salvation of others.

    That is the mindset of Jesus.

    Only there is one difference;

    Moses and Paul were willing to suffer for their own people.

    Jonah was not willing to suffer for the people of Nineveh.

    But they were NOT his own people: They were the greatest enemies at that time of Israel.

    (760 BC the time of Jonah, 722 BC Israel taken into captivity by Assyriah.)

    I had to think, just like Jeff asked herself: with what would I compare this story:

    With the Germans having invaded the Netherlands in 1940?

    And God would ask me: Go to Berlin, and warn them to repent. Would I then flee? Yes, maybe so!

    I imagine me thinking: I have a right to be angry at this people! Look at their murderous system, cruel behavior. Millions killed in camps.

    Or like Jeff, in Nothern Ireland 30 years ago, would a protestant go to the cathlics and warn them, (or vice versa, a cathlic warning the protestants?

    What about an American, would he go to Alqaida people after the 911 event?

    Is it then not reasonable to see that this American would sit down, and watch how the extremists would be annihilated? And I could imagine that this American would get angry at this annihilation NOT happening. He later hears that they have repented, but the anger about no retaliation of all the violence and the killing they had done had already overpowered his mind.

    There is a trial in our country about a man who killed 4 people some months ago, he does not accept the court trial, nor the Dutch laws.
    Do I want to see him punished? And get angry when he doesn’t?

    This is what God says about them:

    These people who do not know their right hand form their left. Jonah 4:11

  128. poohpity says:

    Being “Chosen” we have to learn what that means and to practice it by remembering what Jesus Christ did for us.

    Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. 14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.

    16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts. 17 And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

    That was not given to push people to feel guilty but to encourage them TO REMEMBER AND BE GRATEFUL for what God did for all humanity through Jesus Christ. I believe we all have areas that need work but if our focus is truly on Jesus and His Spirit lives within us as we say then we will learn from Him and how we view life and others will be made new, in other words changed. Phil 1:6 NLT One never really understands or experiences the being made new without remembering and being grateful over and over again, it is life changing what gratitude can bring into one’s life.

  129. poohpity says:

    The people Paul delivered the Gospel to were not his people they were gentiles and there were foreigners among Israel when Moses lead them out of Egypt, Egyptians came too.

    In the camps of the Nazi’s there were Christians in them who never gave up on sharing the Gospel while there and many who helped hide Jews outside of the camps even knowing they could be killed. There were also many Christians who took the Gospel into the middle east after 9/11 and many here in the USA that prayed for those who committed the crimes of 9/11 for mercy because they knew that only with Christ in the lives of those who do horrible things could there be change.

  130. poohpity says:

    forever you know the story of Corrie Ten Boom she was from the Netherlands and this was what she had to say about forgiveness even after experiencing the horrors that she did.

    “Forgiveness is the key that unlocks the door of resentment and the handcuffs of hatred. It is a power that breaks the chains of bitterness and the shackles of selfishness.”

    “And for all these people alike, the key to healing turned out to be the same. Each had a hurt he had to forgive.”

  131. poohpity says:

    Also Jonah would have never suffered anything nor would the sailors on the ship had Jonah did what God had wanted him to do, the suffering came because of his rebellion not because of obedience. Paul suffered because of obedience.

  132. poohpity says:

    If no one has ever noticed Christians go into all kinds of hostile, communist countries to share the Gospel even if it means getting killed bringing them the word of God, they are willing to give up their lives because they know how important it is to share God’s love.

  133. jeff1 says:

    I think we need to look at history to understand man will never solve evil as it is not within his power to do so.

    God’s plan is to divide and conquer and so He will succeed where man fails.

    We just cannot seem to help ourselves thinking we can do God’s work for Him as if as C. S. Lewis says so rightly God as nothing else to do but exist.

    We are not here to be successful in our own right but relinquish our right in favour of God’s.

    Jesus has to lead and I have to follow and there is no certainty as to where He is leading unless He has given you a vision otherwise you trust His sight in leading wherever that leads.

  134. Beloved says:

    Psalm 117:1 (ESV) Praise the LORD, all nations! Extol him, all peoples! Gods grand design and will is still being fought about and over today. Will His will be done on earth, as it is in heaven? Yes, the coming of the Messiah made it all possible. I’m trying to look at the final outcome instead of the daily troubles. Jesus has a way of lifting me high above it all. Oh He’s sooo good! Hope all have a God blessed day.

    Thoughts of the coming national celebration on July 4th and the excitement it involves; so glad summer is finally here! Windows open, heaters off, sprinklers on, flowers blooming and coats stored away… its a grand time on earth!

  135. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, I think it is good to wind forward instead of focusing on daily problems and I too am glad to see summer with all the beauty that comes with it and just for a while we can put winter to bed and recharge our batteries.

    A good 4th July to you.

    The 12th here is when the orange lodges and bands march in venues all over the province. I will visit one of the venues as my son is coming over from England to participate as he belongs to one of the lodges.

    Looking forward to it as you get to see faces from the past that you haven’t seen for years and have a chat and catch-up.

    Roman Catholics here also enjoy the time off and go to the seaside or some may watch the parade.

  136. bubbles says:

    Regina, I was speaking of other atrocities in the world when I spoke of turning off the news. What you wrote about is just terrible also.

  137. street says:

    Could it be a bad dream that the favored sons and daughters of Jacob’s family-group began to see people of other nations not only as dogs, but as dirty dogs? And in the ongoing story of Jesus, have self-identifying followers really given “Samaritans” reason to take Jesus over “Christians” any day– if Christians didn’t give them so many second thoughts about Jesus?

    filthy dogs? dishwasher? microwave?
    how do we see ourselves? blameless? others?

    thinking of jonah’s shipmates who found favor and mercy from God in a terrable storm. casting a man into the sea and finding God’s favor. a Father sending His Son away, only to receive Him back. to admit we are powerless and dependent on God and not ourselves or others. job a man of integrity and uprightness, rarely found in a world of darkness, reaffirmes his trust in the blameless God his wife ask him to curse and die. what are we called to do daily,like job? Jesus did what we are asked/commanded to do. we are asked to trust in Him and keep His Word and commands.

    i added microwave because i was thinking where does it get it’s power from? like job to be sustain in a storm we rarely see. like the shipmates to cast job into the sea? it’s one thing to fight against man, it is entirely different matter to fight against God.

    why do we fight against our bothers? is there another way forward? have i found that way?

  138. street says:

    These people who do not know their right hand form their left. Jonah 4:11

    this verse has come up a couple times in the last days?

    thinking of oswald chambers thoughts on good, better, and best. seems we know good and better, but we don’t know best till we know Jesus. maybe why jonah was sent in the first place.

    the reluctant ambassador ….ditto?

    God knows us pretty well and He still sent His only Son.

    the call to repent, because jonah knew what would happen if they did not, he knew what happen to israel, he wanted justice, not mercy. it seems he did change his mind and went. guess he was hoping they would not, it didn’t change the message though or God. still wondering how jonah turned out? some day he and israel will return.

  139. street says:

    Jonah, bro, what are we thinking?

    the difference of thinking and knowing…

    the difference of consuming and producing….

    be wary of inferior building materials.

    follow your foreman….the One who loves you.

  140. Beloved says:

    Then the Lord sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up. 5 All the sailors were afraid and each cried out to his own god. And they threw the cargo into the sea to lighten the ship.

    But Jonah had gone below deck, where he lay down and fell into a deep sleep. 6 The captain went to him and said, “How can you sleep? Get up and call on your god! Maybe he will take notice of us so that we will not perish.”

    7 Then the sailors said to each other, “Come, let us cast lots to find out who is responsible for this calamity.” They cast lots and the lot fell on Jonah. 8 So they asked him, “Tell us, who is responsible for making all this trouble for us? What kind of work do you do? Where do you come from? What is your country? From what people are you?”

    9 He answered, “I am a Hebrew and I worship the Lord, the God of heaven, who made the sea and the dry land.”

    10 This terrified them and they asked, “What have you done?” (They knew he was running away from the Lord, because he had already told them so.)

    11 The sea was getting rougher and rougher. So they asked him, “What should we do to you to make the sea calm down for us?”

    12 “Pick me up and throw me into the sea,” he replied, “and it will become calm. I know that it is my fault that this great storm has come upon you.”

    13 Instead, the men did their best to row back to land. But they could not, for the sea grew even wilder than before. 14 Then they cried out to the Lord, “Please, Lord, do not let us die for taking this man’s life. Do not hold us accountable for killing an innocent man, for you, Lord, have done as you pleased.” 15 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm.

    16 At this the men greatly feared the Lord, and they offered a sacrifice to the Lord and made vows to him.

    It will occurs to me that God can use our disobedience to bring glory to Himself. And that even the heathens know Him and will turn to Him when they see He is God. The One true God. This heathen did :-)

  141. Beloved says:

    How did they know it was wrong to kill an “innocent” man I wonder. Was he really innocent? No. He even said he was at fault for running from God. I see similarities between Jesus and Jonah who both sacrificed their lives for others to live.

  142. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    July 2, 2019 at 10:25 am

    why do we fight against our bothers? is there another way forward? have i found that way?

    When I fail to follow Jesus and do what is right in my own sight. When I play God rather then listen to Him.

    Learn to listen to God.

    Get distracted very easily so with God’s help needs to discipline myself.

  143. street says:

    How did they know it was wrong to kill an “innocent” man I wonder. Was he really innocent?

    can we be innocent when we are disobeying God?

    Jonah was God’s prophet. even the shipmate did not want to obey the prophets words, till they had no other choice.
    Déjà vu.

    oh to be Mastered by Christ!

    as i look at the seriousness of the life and death of this story i can still see some divine comedy in it. God really dos have a sense of humor. filthy dogs? i have two and one is of better character than me. the other one i am more like, alpha. Jesus was right, the Greatest is the servant of all.

  144. bratimus says:

    Did anyone even consider that the whole Johan saga was to teach Johan, God’s mighty power and God’s nature.


  145. cbrown says:

    Good afternoon all! Jonah could have said, take me back to port and I will go to Ninevah and you will be saved and the giant fish could have gone home.Since he did want that result he told the seamen to throw him in the ocean. He did not know that God had appointed a fish to take him to Ninevah.After 3 days Jonah repented. However I Cor13:3 “If I give away all I have,and if I offer my body to be burned but have not love, I gain nothing.”

  146. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All
    Still curious about “Canada Day”… Would like to compare the Canadian celebration to our July 4th celebration… People in my country will eat hotdogs (with mustard, relish and ketchup), hamburgers, pickles, grilled meats, potato salad, garden salad, watermelon, corn-on-the-cob, potato chips, ice cream, patriotic desserts, etc., listen to patriotic songs, spend time with family/good friends, there maybe parades to attend or watch on tv, and (if the weather permits) we’ll watch beautiful fireworks light up the night sky.
    Do all countries have a national holiday to celebrate the formation of the country?
    Jeff1, SO glad my words encouraged you (you’re very deserving), and we’ve all felt like Jonah at times and have all wished that we were more consistent in our walk with the Lord. Thinking of Paul’s words in Romans 7:14-25…
    “14) We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15) I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16) And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17) As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18) For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19) For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    21) So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22) For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23) but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24) What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25) Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
    So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.”

    forever, it’s the Holy Spirit in me that’s making the horrible situations going on in the world “personal”… my spirit is burdened for them, and I *can* help them by getting on my knees (or getting anywhere with God) and praying for them. Can’t help but put myself in their shoes. What would make a person leave their country, their way of life, with nothing except the clothes on their back, start walking to the border that separates their country from another?
    What would make someone get in filthy water with their child or children and risk their life, the child/children’s life in an attempt to live somewhere other than the country of their birth? What if it were me? Standing… filthy dirty at a border crossing, trying to enter a country who’s language, ideology, worldview, culture and philosophy of life I know nothing about.

    Enjoyed reading your comment on 7-2-19 – 7:10 am… Love how you put yourself in Jonah’s shoes (saying, “what if the Lord had called you to take a Word from Him to the Nazi’s”) and compared some of the really terrible situations that took place in other countries to Jonah’s situation with the people of Nineveh.
    Your thoughts about Jonah’s reaction to God’s will helped me (us) understand better how Jonah felt about God’s prophetic job for him, why Jonah refused and ran away, and God’s mercy, compassion and grace towards him.
    Now, moving away from the Jonah topic for a moment… Was Corrie TB and Anne Frank (the whole Frank family) from the Netherlands? pooh mentioned, in one of her comments, that you know the story of Corrie, so I figured you would be familiar with both women. Both women left a phenomenal testimony on the earth of God’s willingness to forgive (even) the most wretched sinner.
    bubbles, Ok… Thank you for clarification. All for now… 88 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,

  147. poohpity says:

    bratimus, it was more about Jonah than the people of Nineveh but it was mostly about God and how He is so patient, slow to anger and full of mercy for all peoples of the earth. We do not really know if Jonah ever learned the lesson God was teaching him but we sure can learn from his example.

  148. jeff1 says:

    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
    Most blessèd, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    Almighty, victorious, thy great Name we praise.

    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, thou rulest in might;
    Thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    Thy clouds which are fountains of goodness and love.

    To all life thou givest — to both great and small;
    In all life thou livest, the true life of all;
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    And wither and perish—but nought changeth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight;
    All laud we would render: O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore Thee, all veiling their sight;
    But of all Thy rich graces this grace, Lord, impart
    Take the veil from our faces, the vile from our heart.

    All laud we would render; O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth Thee,
    And so let Thy glory, Almighty, impart,
    Through Christ in His story, Thy Christ to the heart.

  149. street says:

    Since he did want that result he told the seamen to throw him in the ocean. He did not know that God had appointed a fish to take him to Ninevah.After 3 days Jonah repented.

    jonah would rather die than see the adversaries of israel find mercy. i am so glad he changed his mind, sort of.

    the blood of Jesus does speak better than the blood of sinful man.

    thinking of paul not serving voluntarily, but under compulsion.

  150. street says:

    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, thou rulest in might;

    had to stop and ponder this line.

  151. poohpity says:

    In my deepest sin
    My God reaches down
    With loving arms so pure and clean
    He hates the stain
    But pours His precious blood
    It cleanses me again and again

    Though I am not worthy
    His love overflows me
    Oh what a love – Unconditional love
    Though I am not worthy
    His love overflows me
    Oh what a love – unconditional love

    Love so unconditional
    Comes only from my Lord
    He came in love
    He died in love
    I could never understand
    God’s precious love
    Oh what a love – Unconditional love

    I know that the only good
    I have in me
    Comes from my Saviour
    My Lord and friend
    Pardon I ask of Him
    And he’s forgiven me
    And redeemed me to
    Where I should be

    Though I am not worthy
    His love still covers me
    I thank Him for His unconditional love
    Though I am not worthy
    His love still covers
    I thank Him for His unconditional love

  152. Beloved says:

    His love cost too much (the cross) to be “unconditional”. Nowhere in scripture does it say that. But it’s common to hear now days. Just a thought.

  153. Beloved says:

    Scripture does talk about the scars still on Jesus’ hands after the resurrection.

  154. bubbles says:

    Perhaps what Mart is speaking of when he shared his thoughts is this: people are people, no matter who they are. God loves people, not their sin. It doesn’t matter what line we came from, Jesus died for us. His forgiveness is for everyone. His mercy is there for everyone to receive, as is His grace. People get fixated on race, nationality, blood lines, socio economic status, and so on. God sees us as people and those things don’t matter to him. It is amazing and humbling that He will forgive us and no matter how bad the sin is, He will forgive and He’s long-suffering. Jonah acted the way he did, as I understand it, because he wanted them punished. They were superlatively horrible and deserved it, but God in His mercy. . . it’s amazing. And then God in His mercy. . . it’s amazing He extends that to me because I deserve nothing from Him. My thoughts and understanding are shallow when compared to Mart’s. I find after these past two years that God’s mercy has become very real to me like never before and I will forever be grateful for it.

  155. SFDBWV says:

    Bubbles what a marvelous and wonderful comment. Yes I think you have touched upon the heart of the whole story of not only Jonah, but of us all.

    We get angry with our fellow man and justify it however we can and suddenly they become less of people and more like the “filthy dog” Mart mentioned.

    Though to be honest all a filthy dog needs is someone to clean it up and show it some love.

    Thanks Bubbles for your comment, after last night’s Council meeting I needed to read it.


  156. foreverblessed says:

    Indeed Steve, Bubbles has made a great point.. Bratimus was asking: Isn’t God showing His Almight?

    His Almight to forgive. For Jesus’name sake.

    I was trying to understand Jonah: the right to be angry at people who are violent, ( who act violent, God is saying about them: They do not know their right hand form the left. In other words: They are blinded!

    They are bound in a prison of the prince of this world.

    The religious extremists are likewise blinded, not knowing their right hand from the left hand:

    They think they do God a favour for killing people who are not of their faith.

    Imagine God telling me to go to a IS area, and preach repentance.

    (that is an exercise in grying to stand in the feet of Jonah)


    Jonah had been in the whale for 3 days and nights, he came out of it, and looked probable very white.

    I have heard a pracher say, that when Jonah appeared in Nineveh, he looked like a ghost resurreccted from the grave.
    By that site of him people were really impressed.
    So his appearance added greatly his message:

  157. foreverblessed says:

    Jonah 3:4-10

    4 Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.

    6 When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. 7 This is the proclamation he issued in Nineveh:

    “By the decree of the king and his nobles:

    Do not let people or animals, herds or flocks, taste anything; do not let them eat or drink. 8 But let people and animals be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. 9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”

    10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

  158. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles comment:

    God looks to people, not seeing them like dogs, but waiting fro them to come to their senses!

    He waits and waits, intervenes in thier lives here and there, acts with miracles, with power great and small, so they would see the foolishness of their ways, and return to God.

    But our own old man wants to see punishment. That is our old inclination, the self.

    They can be forgiven, alright, but they cannot escape imprisonent, or any othher punishment.

    Just like the Father was waiting for the prodigal son

    luke 15:11-31

    Where God asks the older son, (Jonah):
    “be glad and celebrate,
    because these Nineveh people were dead and are alive again,
    they were lost and now are found”

  159. foreverblessed says:

    What a lot of thing can be found in Jonah:

    I wanted to make this point:

    Nobody can see Me and live
    Exodus 33:20

    Jonah met God face to face, and his old man had to die.
    God showed Joanh the nature of his old man, in a very descriptive manner,
    Jonah 4:9-11

    God was addressinbg Joanh to the right of his reactions: When we make Jesus our Lord, we give up the right to ourselves, and to our judgments, and hand them over to Jesus.

    Not only that, we SEE, that it is the best to surrender to Jesus:


    and we are not, our old man isn’t. ANd when we see the face of Jesus, we die.

    But, we are resurrected into the Life of Jesus

  160. poohpity says:

    Beloved, please do share what you did to deserve Jesus going to the Cross for you? What conditions did He put on you for that to take place? I guess people now-a-days and from the past share about the unconditional love of God because it is true! If you want scripture to prove that point I will share just a few but the whole bible is about just that very thing. Romans 5:8 NLT; John 3:16-17 or Romans 8:39 NLT

  161. poohpity says:

    It seems what God was saying to Jonah was that he was no better than the people of Nineveh. They sinned but so did Jonah, so was their sin any worse than that of Jonah, I think not but God showed them all mercy. Do we act like we have been shown mercy or do we expect other people to be perfect when we are not able to do so ourselves either? Jonah was being the so called judge of them and God showed Jonah that He was the only Just Judge of ALL humanity and God said, “That all have sinned and fallen short of God’s Glory”, from the least to the greatest.

    So rather than concentrating on the sin in us or in others, God gave us good works to do along with forgiving others and showing them grace and mercy so we are showing and living what God has done for us.

    How do you want people to treat you? However that is treat them that way no matter if it is not returned.

  162. poohpity says:

    It seems when one is loved so fully it comes pouring out or overflows towards others. If it isn’t then maybe, just maybe one has yet to believe the true condition of their own heart and the forgiveness, grace and mercy shown them from God who knows every little detail of YOUR being, all the secrets one tends to hide from others, God knows all and YET loved us anyway, that is unconditional love at it’s finest.

  163. poohpity says:

    If we are “Chosen” what makes us continue to live as if we are not Ambassadors of Christ? Why do some who do not even know Christ look more like Him than we do (i.e. the Samaritan) which I believe is the very point of this topic?

  164. poohpity says:

    “So what happened?”

  165. Beloved says:

    John 15:10-14 New International Version (NIV)

    10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

    There are conditions to Gods love. I remember that Ninevah was actually destroyed a while later (100 + years) because it refused to repent.

  166. Beloved says:

    How are you feeling health wise these days Pooh?

  167. poohpity says:

    Beloved, believe what “you” want dear lady.

  168. Beloved says:

    I read this from Scripture Union and am also reminded of Jonah’s honesty before God.

    Breaking a long week’s silence with three onlooking friends, Job finally speaks up. Some people may expect him to finally curse God, but Job only curses the day of his birth (3–10). In the prologue, the Hebrew word barak (“to bless”) is used to replace the Hebrew verb for cursing when the object is God, but here, when Job curses the day of his birth, the actual verbs for cursing—qalal (1) and arar (8)—are used directly.

    Why does Job wish to delete this day from the calendar? It didn’t prevent him from being born to see his current troubles (10). In his curse, he asks for his birth day to be one of darkness and deep shadow (4a,5). For the night, he asks for thick darkness to take over (6). He also calls for an absence of light (4b,9) and joy (7). The wording “Let that day be darkness!” (4, NRSV) sounds like a reversal of “Let there be light” in Genesis 1:3, where God summons light on the first day of his creation.

    Perhaps one may think that Job’s utterance is not so very different from cursing God. Although it approaches such an offense, Job has never actually done so, at least not directly. We may also question whether Job’s self-curse is consistent with his true faith. The confident and patient Job in the prologue has now become a desperate and troubled man. As Norman C. Habel puts it, Job’s curse “falls on a past event, which would appear to be irreversible” (The Book of Job: A Commentary). That means it will never literally be fulfilled. Job simply expresses his anguish by groaning about his devastating circumstances. Such innermost wrestling highlights another side of Job’s integrity—being genuine and honest about one’s own feelings.

    Thank God for allowing us to be ourselves. Let’s lay ourselves bare before him without denial—whatever feelings, troubles and deep secrets lie within us.

    Closing Prayer
    Lord, I bless the day I was born because that was the beginning of my eventual rendezvous with You.

  169. poohpity says:

    Do you not believe that God knew what was in Job’s heart and the anguish he was feeling over his circumstances but God knew that in Job’s heart there was no cursing of God. God knew Job was a man of integrity not a liar. Job 1:1 NLT

  170. Beloved says:

    God knows it all but in order to have a relationship speaking whats in our hearts minds and troubles to Him is important. As for being a liar no, I don’t think He was as scripture says Job was a man of integrity. He never lied to God.

  171. Beloved says:

    He feared God and stayed away from evil. Yes.

  172. Beloved says:

    To fear God is to pour out our hearts to Him, just as Job so also Jonah.

  173. cbrown says:

    Good morning. Todays “Our Daily Bread” 7/3 was directly on point to this discussion.
    The prophet Isaiah, whose name means “the Lord saves,” warned an unrepentant Judah of God’s impending judgment (Isaiah 1–12) through the Babylonian exile (39:6–7). He spoke of God’s grace (chs. 40–55) and a future glorious restoration for all who would repent (chs. 11; 56–66). Here in Isaiah 1, God calls His people to consider carefully their sinfulness (vv. 2–15). But He assures them that no matter how tainted and sinful they are (v. 18), God will cleanse, forgive, and bless them if they “are willing and obedient” (v. 19). He also warns of severe punishment if they fail to repent (v. 20).
    We know that Job repented of what he “did not know”but we do not know if Jonah repented. I would like to believe based on my personal experience that when Jonah saw the results of repentance of the people of Ninevah that he repented as well. Love, Chris

  174. Beloved says:

    Chris God said Job did not sin. No need for repentance?

  175. Beloved says:

    Was this Jonah’s repentance?

    Jonah 2 New International Version (NIV)
    2 1 [a]From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God. 2 He said:

    “In my distress I called(A) to the Lord,(B)
    and he answered me.
    From deep in the realm of the dead(C) I called for help,
    and you listened to my cry.
    3 You hurled me into the depths,(D)
    into the very heart of the seas,
    and the currents swirled about me;
    all your waves(E) and breakers
    swept over me.(F)
    4 I said, ‘I have been banished
    from your sight;(G)
    yet I will look again
    toward your holy temple.’(H)
    5 The engulfing waters threatened me,[b]
    the deep surrounded me;
    seaweed was wrapped around my head.(I)
    6 To the roots of the mountains(J) I sank down;
    the earth beneath barred me in forever.
    But you, Lord my God,
    brought my life up from the pit.(K)

    7 “When my life was ebbing away,
    I remembered(L) you, Lord,
    and my prayer(M) rose to you,
    to your holy temple.(N)

    8 “Those who cling to worthless idols(O)
    turn away from God’s love for them.
    9 But I, with shouts of grateful praise,(P)
    will sacrifice(Q) to you.
    What I have vowed(R) I will make good.
    I will say, ‘Salvation(S) comes from the Lord.’”

    10 And the Lord commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.

  176. Beloved says:

    Thinking about repentence, means to turn from sin. Jonah was chosen as Gods spokesperson, thinking he had repented already by turning to God when He was called?

  177. cbrown says:

    Good morning Beloved. Re:job- 42 Then Job answered the Lord and said,
    Job 42
    2 “I know that You can do all things,
    And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
    3 ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
    Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand,
    Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.”
    4 ‘Hear, now, and I will speak;
    I will ask You, and You instruct me.’
    5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
    But now my eye sees You;
    6 Therefore I retract,
    And I repent in dust and ashes.”

  178. Beloved says:

    Thanks Chris

  179. Beloved says:

    No that doesn’t make sense about repenting only when called. (Talking to myself.)

  180. cbrown says:

    Beloved, Re Jonah, being in the stomach of a fish for 3 days would get my attention. Jonah’s message was “in 3 days Ninevah will be destroyed”. However, the commentaries I have read said that He still was not in line with God. The pharisees did not repent even after Jesus rose from the dead.But,whether or not Jonah repented is between he and God. That determination is not part of the message of the Book of Jonah.

  181. Beloved says:

    Being of the Reformed persuasion my thinking (and I realize there are many differing theologians here) is more in line with those like John MacArthur who says:

    In the midst of his misery, the humbled prophet cried out for deliverance. His prayer of repentance, recorded in Jonah2, is one of the most poignant in all of Scripture, a cry out of suffocating circumstances.

  182. Beloved says:

    Being chosen or not can be so personal. When we’re the one brought in— or left out, it can seem like it’s all about us. Up close, it sometimes is. But stepping back “the call” can be for the sake of others.

    This makes a lot of sense when you look at Jonah. It wasn’t about him, it was about God — the whole cannon is about God.

  183. Beloved says:

    Oh Joy! That seekest me through pain,
    how can I hide myself from thee?
    I trace the rainbow in the rain,
    And find the promise is not vain,
    That morn shall tearless, be.

  184. cbrown says:

    Beloved, as you have pointed out in the past
    Different principles apply before Christ. Jonah was definitely not born again. As a result of his experience in Ninevah he may have seen how God works and surrendered looking forward to his salvation but again that is not Gods message in the book of Jonah.

  185. foreverblessed says:

    Regina, I wanted to answer your question, yes I do know about Anne Frank and Corrie ten Boom.

    Anne was not Dutch, she was born in Germany, in Frankfurt am Main, one of the biggest cities in Germany, where the German Bank is located, and for that part, the European Central Bank. (What’s the big deal about that?)

    They fled Germamy when the Nazis took power. So they were refugees.

    (That’s why I think and deeply believe that refugees are people too, not dogs, they must be treated well).

    Who lived in Amsterdam, for most of her life, and in that hidden part of the house, till they were arrested.

    What a terrible time that was.

    Now I have to realise that God says about these Nazis, the same that He said about the people of Nineveh.

    And Yes, I do know about Corrie ten Boom, I have read many of her books.

    Great testimony.

    I do have to think about Jonah, and Corrie.

    Jonah had a great testimony, Beloved gave that this morning, Jonah 2:1-10

    What a beautiful praise song for God!

    Corrie was a born-again christian.

    But…… she said in her books, her sister, Betsie, was the greater christian, more christlike. And her sister died, and she lived on.

    When the guards in the nazi camps would hit a woman to death, Corrie would be steaming hot of anger, but her sister reprimanded her, to stay calm, and to pray for peace. (I do not remember if she said: Pray for your enemies).

    Just as Jonah had to deal with his anger.

    I do see a similarity.

    We can be born again as christians, and yet have a lot of matters inside of us, that need to be sifted out.In Corries’s case: Anger. Anger, that we think is justified, as to the atrocities done around us.

    And so it was with Jonah.

    Corrie had to deal with anger, and she hada a great example right next to her, in her sister. Mind you, being in a nazi camp, and seeing somebody beaten to death is just too hard to think about.

    But Corrie said: Jesus was always with her. Jesus was walking beside her and Betsie.

    After the war she started a home for survivors of the nazicamps. I remember God telling her, not to publicly ask for money for the project, but to rely on God that He will provide. She said she herself did not have to go to that retreat home, as she did not suffer that much as others did who had no knowledge of Jesus.

    With her Jesus always was.

  186. cbrown says:

    Just read my message above. “in 40 days Ninevah will be destroyed”. Beloved,as you pointed on a previous blog before Christ people were not “born again”.

  187. bubbles says:

    If we do not ask, we will not receive. I really need prayer. I ask this not to get attention, so please, do not respond to this comment here, only pray for me when you think of it. Thank you and I love all of you here.

  188. Beloved says:

    The whole nation (Israel) was chosen by God with His abode being in the temple (stone) before Christ made us born again to be fleshly temples in which Christ resides. Chosen vessels vs chosen “”peoples”.

  189. jeff1 says:

    It’s Jesus who does the increase and the Gospel is about Him and when we keep our focus on that we do not make it about us because we are the vessels but He is the power within them.

    1 Would you be free from the burden of sin?
    There’s power in the blood, power in the blood;
    Would you o’er evil a victory win?
    There’s wonderful power in the blood.

    There is power, power, wonder-working power
    In the blood of the Lamb.
    There is power, power, wonder-working power
    In the precious blood of the Lamb.

    2 Would you be free from your passion and pride?
    There’s power in the blood, power in the blood;
    Come for a cleansing to Calvary’s tide;
    There’s wonderful power in the blood.

    3 Would you be whiter, much whiter than snow?
    There’s power in the blood, power in the blood;
    Sin stains are lost in its life giving flow;
    There’s wonderful power in the blood.

    4 Would you do service for Jesus your King?
    There’s power in the blood, power in the blood;
    Would you live daily His praises to sing?
    There’s wonderful power in the blood.[Chorus]

  190. poohpity says:

    Go slow enough today to be moved with compassion:
    “When [Jesus] saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion.” Mt9:36

    Criticism can be knee-jerk & quick & jumping to conclusions.
    Compassion is heartfelt & slow & lingers to really listen.

    Criticism kills community.
    Compassion creates community.

    Criticism can be a *care-less reaction.
    Compassion is a *care-full response.*

    Criticism makes you more like a judge.*
    Compassion makes you more like *Jesus*.

    Today — only move with compassion.

    #TheBrokenWay by Ann Voskamp

  191. bubbles says:

    It appears many people who grew up in a Christian home, saved when they were children, and grew up in church, and who were raised by Christian parents who tried to protect their children, and rightly so. But it’s like they were raised in a sterile bubble, I suppose because we are taught to be separated from the world. And incorrectly with that sterile bubble, they will not be open to others because they are different from them. And in that something is wrong. It shouldn’t happen. People are people and we are the same in God’s eyes. The playing field isn’t different for some than others. I hope that did not sound critical. That sterile bubble has great potential to leave people without compassion.

  192. bubbles says:

    I was not speaking of or thinking of anyone here when the above was written.

  193. bratimus says:

    That sterile bubble is easily popped when one becomes an adult(18 is still very young age to be an adult, thank you society.). And get out there on your own.


  194. jeff1 says:

    While I hear what you are saying Bubbles don’t we all live in a bubble of some kind as rightly or wrongly birds of a feather flock together.

    During the conflict here that is exactly what happened as catholics followed their politics and religion and protestants there’s which is what history dictated.

    Why did my dad see things differently (in the past) and why does my son see things differently (today) and the answer I have come up with is they weren’t the younger generation coming up in the conflict while I and my friends were.

    I was too close to the victims of the conflict which blinded my view and choices and that is why today I can see my dad had the right view and choices because he was older and wiser during the time of the conflict.

    I could have listened to my dad but I didn’t want to hear and that is why I feel convicted today and am thankful that God used my dad to show me correction.

    I am wise after the conflict while my dad was wise during it and when I look back and see he was very much on his own in his following Jesus.

    As self identifying followers we changed God to fit our beliefs while my dad knew that it was for him to seek God and in doing so God revealed His truth and not that of the cultures of the time.

    Hindsight is easy but doing what is right in the midst of conflict is following in God’s footsteps and separates the chosen from the self identifying as it is by Gods decree.

    I told you my dad knew God better than anyone I ever knew and that still stands today as it is the reason I feel so convicted as being one of the self identifying.

    I never had the discipline my father had which says to me that obedience brings me closer to God’s ways as he didn’t talk the talk because he was too focused on walking the walk.

    Oh! sometimes the shadows are deep,
    And rough seems the path to the goal,
    And sorrows, sometimes how they sweep
    Like tempests down over the soul.


    O then to the Rock let me fly
    To the Rock that is higher than I
    O then to the Rock let me fly
    To the Rock that is higher than I!

    Oh! sometimes how long seems the day,
    And sometimes how weary my feet!
    But toiling in life’s dusty way,
    The Rock’s blessèd shadow, how sweet!


    Then near to the Rock let me keep
    If blessings or sorrows prevail,
    Or climbing the mountain way steep,
    Or walking the shadowy vale.

  195. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles has a point, of being in a “bubble” of the like-minded people, that enhances the probability of the

    we -versus- them feeling.

    The Topic is Chosen

    and with the warning not to see the ones that are not (yet) chosen as dogs, as did the Israelites in times past.

    When you are so secluded in a christian surrounding it is more likely that we see “others” as antagonistic.

    When I grew up I wanted to be part of the primary school of the church. That was impossible, as that school was in England, just north of London. But I was jealous of the children that went to that school. Primary school, secondary school.
    Oh, I felt so unsafe in my schooltime. The secundary school that my parents chose was the one who would allow to stay home on the Saturday. till 1970 high school was also on Saturdaymorning. And the christian schools would not allow children to stay home for religious reasons on the Sabbath. Only a secular school did, so we went to a school that was atheistic. I felt very very uncomfortable with that. You were looked upon as weird, believing in a God.

    So I wanted to go to the College of the church after my highschool. A lovely place it was, not only all church people, but also in a beautifull garden, in the greenbelt of London.
    But my father would not allow it, it was too expensive, and besides, he reasoned just as Bubbles did:

    Better to have your education in the world. Not to be so secured behind walls of a church.

    So I went to University, studying Biology. A beautiful study, looking at God’s creation.

    And I found that the students at Univerity were not so closed minded. They were more open, and they honostly wanted to know what my belief was about, for instance,they wanted to know why I did not eat porc.

    When they asked, I hesitated, and they assured me, that they wanted to know the reason, and that I did not have to feel that they looked down on me!

    That is what happened, and it still is a very amazing mindset to me.

    I was not so well informed in the Salvation through faith in Christ, so my testimony was, well, what shall I say: hindered.

    Now I understand that when I gave my life over to Jesus, when I was 35, that Jesus is responsible for all my faults, also the ones in the past. That Jesus will see to it, that all people that I have met in my entire life, and have failed to show them Christ, He will make up for it.
    I pray for all those I have met in my whole life, and I am positive that with God:

    All things are possible.

  196. poohpity says:

    The Lord will open the eyes and ears of those inside that bubble to realize they are just as sinful as those outside that bubble. In fact it seems pride is the hardest bubble to pop.

    Paul who was at one time very religious following all the regulations and rules with zeal until he met Jesus then from experience he taught that all the don’t do’s can in no way conquer or soften an evil heart.

    Col 2: You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

    16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

    20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

  197. poohpity says:

    Jesus confronted the religious leaders on all their regulations used to self proclaimed piety or self righteousness but their hearts were anything but right with God. They looked religious on the outside by portraying themselves as above everyone else in their righteousness and godliness but inside their hearts they did nothing to ease the burdens of the people around them in fact they laid more religious burdens on the people that even they themselves could not live up to. Matt 23 Jesus called them whitewashed tombs.

  198. poohpity says:

    We Fall Down
    Bob Carlisle

    Cursing every step of the way, he bore a heavy load
    To the market ten miles away, the journey took its toll
    And every day he passed a monastery’s high cathedral walls
    And it made his life seem meaningless and small

    And he wondered how it would be to live in such a place
    To be warm, well fed and at peace; to shut the world away

    So when he saw a priest who walked, for once, beyond the iron gate
    He said, “tell me of your life inside the place”
    And the priest replied
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

    Disappointment followed him home; he’d hoped for so much more

    But he saw himself in a light he had never seen before
    Cause if the priest who fell could find the Grace of God to be enough

    Then there must be some hope for the rest of us
    There must be some hope left for us

    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

  199. Beloved says:

    This is kind of a funny discussion to me, as once when I told a pastors wife how I was 30 and accepted Christ as my savior (being like the prodigal) she said very seriously “ I’m more like the older brother”. Isn’t that funny? I see her off and on and she’s still carrying the load of being rejected by her husband who left her for a Jewish girl half her age while both were in ministry. It must be a really tough thing to get over. I suppose there’s some shame involved. But my point is evidently being raised in a Christian home must have some serious hurdles to overcome. Maybe being “religious” instead of being a Jesus follower? I know many fine Christians raised in Christian homes that are the most loving, kind and welcoming people. I think the less baggage they have to carry around makes them less self centered- dealing with sin scars I mean. Just my opinion.

    Forever I enjoyed hearing about your life experiences very much.

  200. Beloved says:

    Today is our celebration of our Declaration of Independence, freedom from England in 1776. We are still figuring it all out. Sometimes a monarchy looks like a good idea lately. Royalty I mean, not the mess we have now.

  201. cbrown says:

    Forever, I believe Jonah wrote the Book of Jonah when he saw Gods loving kindness and mercy and it’s result in the city of Ninevah.Jonah4:5 “Then, Jonah went out of the city and set east of it . There he made a shelter for himself and set under it in the shade see what would happen to the city.” I also believe it is reasonable to think he stayed in Ninevah and taught the Ninevites about Jehovah God although that is not the message of the book.

  202. foreverblessed says:

    Chris, yes, that could be so!
    I also believe that Jonah did accept the mercy of God for Nineveh, although it is not in the book!

    But that Chapter of Jonah 2:1-11 really got me this week:
    Jonah had such a great deliverance, and such a beautiful song to praise God.
    Just like a born-again Christian!

    But he happend to stumble on things deep in his heart, that God wanted to free him from.

    Jonah stands for me for all christans as God has to wrestle with deep things in our hearts, each one in his own way.

    Isaiah 53:6
    We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
    and the Lord has laid on Him
    the iniquity of us all.

  203. Beloved says:

    Nehemiah 8:13-19 explains the reason for “booth” in Jonah 4:5. I was curious. Perhaps Jonah did continue preaching as he was told. Also, I remember hearing that Ninevah was easily walking distance in one day from border to border. 129,000 people! Wow, no wonder so many heard and were convinced to repent. One guy with a Big God!

  204. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, here I have an article for you!
    There have been some more strange rulers.
    ( It is on Wikipedia, featured article)
    I found the statement that England would take control over America, quite hilarious!

    In the 1927 Chicago mayoral election, Republican candidate William Hale Thompson (campaign poster shown) defeated Democratic incumbent William Emmett Dever. Dever had enforced Prohibition despite his opposition to it, which led to rising violence in the city. Thompson, who had been mayor from 1915 to 1923, was openly backed by the mobster Al Capone. He promised to end the enforcement of Prohibition, bitterly attacked his opponents throughout the campaign, and claimed that the United Kingdom was conspiring to take back control of the United States. Dever’s supporters attempted to push back against Thompson’s rhetoric and claims; they insisted that Dever had the attitude and policies appropriate for the city. Thompson, the last non-Democrat to win a Chicago mayoral election, damaged Chicago’s reputation across the United States, and historians rank him among the most unethical mayors in American history.

  205. Beloved says:

    Forever Al Capone I’d heard of but not Dever. Oh My!

  206. Beloved says:

    Thompson either. But then I’m not from that area. But very familiar with all the corruption caused by the Mobs.

  207. Beloved says:

    There’s a guy named Vince Vitalli I believe that is born again who speaks and writes and a former mob family member of generations. Amazing transformation God did in this man with such frightening blood lines.

  208. foreverblessed says:

    When we go on vacation in Europe, I always read about the history.
    And my my, not all very good rulers, good for the people, but mostly warring for the power of their own kingly family.


    Ruling for the good of the people

    Being a servant like Jesus showed us.

  209. Beloved says:

    Vitale is his name. He teaches at Oxford in England and is a speaker with RZIM ministries. Oh what God can do when He chooses the worst and the best to tell about His Greatness and glory!

  210. Beloved says:

    He co authored the book on suffering I’m reading with Ravi Z.

  211. Beloved says:

    I suppose that’s why God didn’t really want kings but the people insisted so they got what they wanted, earthen vessels, imperfect and fallible. But yet God used then and still uses rulers to show us He’s still God and still in control over the affairs of man.

  212. poohpity says:

    We need never run from our past but use it to learn from.

  213. Beloved says:

    You are right, what I learn from my past is to stay as far away as possible, and when it intrudes I recall with thanksgiving that Jesus has redeemed and set me free from it! It has nothing to teach me but Jesus teachings are never ending! Bless His holy Name. New life in Christ, the old has passed away.

    For others home bound today the History channel has an interesting show about our nations history. It’s very sad, so thankful to live today.

  214. Beloved says:

    But at the same time shows the phenomenal growth of our country in just a few hundred years.

  215. bubbles says:

    Good afternoon. Pooh, you are correct. Bratimus, yes, that bubble popping is part of growing up However, I have seen people who stayed in the bubble and thought they were above people and they were grown adults. And as Pooh stated, that’s pride.

  216. jeff1 says:

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”

    When you walk through a storm hold your head up high
    And don’t be afraid of the dark.
    At the end of a storm is a golden sky
    And the sweet silver song of a lark.
    Walk on through the wind,
    Walk on through the rain,
    Tho’ your dreams be tossed and blown.
    Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
    And you’ll never walk alone,
    You’ll never, ever walk alone.

    Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
    And you’ll never walk alone,
    You’ll never, ever walk alone.

  217. jeff1 says:

    Are we here to judge people’s failings or to observe and learn from them ourselves?

    How often has pride raised its ugly head in me? I take it to Jesus, confess it, and know He has the power to cleanse me.

    When I am focusing on another’s weaknesses then I am oblivious to my own and why God commands me to “Walk with Him.”

    Prayer, confession and correction are good for walking in righteousness otherwise God wouldn’t have directed us to do it, would he.

  218. jeff1 says:

    What happened to intercessory prayer for others rather than making harsh judgements on ‘pridefulness’ while excusing my own failings because I see myself as more “chosen.”

    Blindness and double mindedness while I proclaim to know God!

    OK, so I show Grace to others or am I? if I am really thinking what a ‘screw up’ ‘thank goodness I am not prideful like them. Yet here I am on my knees knowing that without God’s mercy I am just as wretched a human being as those whom I claim I show Grace to while judging them for having failings that do not meet with my approval.

    Is it being oblivious to my own failings or in my great wisdom have I decided being “chosen” gives me the right to have failings and excuse them in myself while I sit in judgement on others whose failings I see as less palatable than my own.

  219. poohpity says:

    Pride is me thinking that I do not have failings like others do but anyone who is honest with their self knows they have failings, shortcomings or faults so therefore do not pay attention to them in others but only in their own life. That would sure do away with a lot of hate, resentment and bitterness. As Paul said in Romans 2:1 or as Jesus said in Matt 7:3; John 8:7; Luke 6:37. Paul also reminds us 1 Cor 4:5.

    I know I have pride and the Lord often reminds me of who I really am and what He did for me, so anyone else is really none of my business. I can speak of pride from my own experience because I know what it looks like when a bubble is forming but thank God He is close enough with a pin to pop it.

  220. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    ((HAPPY)) belated July 4th to all who celebrated yesterday. I didn’t do much… I spent the day relaxing/reading, did some chores and watched tv. I gave myself a bit of a break because it was a holiday, and, now that I’m rested, and with much help from the Lord, I’m ready to go back to my disciplined daily living.

    forever, thank you for the info on Anne Frank and Corrie T.B. I didn’t know Anne was born in Germany (but had to move (entire family) because of oppression from the Germans/Nazis). I already knew a lot about Corrie because I read, “The Hiding Place.” What you shared was very interesting. Well, I’ll have to chat more later on… I’m off to do some chores.

    77 degrees and mostly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  221. poohpity says:

    I know I was not “Chosen” to be the conscience of anyone else, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. I was “Chosen” to serve and a servant does not spend time critiquing those they serve however we can correct false teaching when we read or hear it. That isn’t against the person as a put down because we ALL are students learning hopefully TOGETHER.

  222. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks you Jeff, for the reminder of intercessory prayer!
    You’re welcome Regina, thanks for sharing!

    I have seen several lectures of Corrie on YouTube, they are so inspiring.
    Somebody who has been in hell on earth.
    Her sister was the one who said:

    No place so deep, Jesus goes deeper still

  223. poohpity says:

    How will we ever be able to comprehend the fullness of God’s grace if we do not have an honest view of ourselves? Then we can understand our calling to show that grace to others, that forgiveness and that mercy as Ambassadors of Christ Jesus. We can not give away something we have yet to comprehend or embrace.

  224. poohpity says:

    I was just thinking if anyone thinks they are all that because they were “Chosen” they may seem to forget that God chose all the peoples of the world to receive what He did but there are those who do not care so do not accept it or come to believe and those who do. John 3:16 God promised Abraham that ALL the nations of the world would be blessed through his offspring.

  225. Beloved says:

    Good morning all! I thought I would share some good news I was just reading.

    Isaiah12 1 And in that day you will say: “O Lord, I will praise You; Though You were angry with me, Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me.

    2 Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation.’ ”

    3 Therefore with joy you will draw water From the wells of salvation.

    4 And in that day you will say: “Praise the Lord, call upon His name; Declare His deeds among the peoples, Make mention that His name is exalted.

    5 Sing to the Lord, For He has done excellent things; This is known in all the earth.

    6 Cry out and shout, O inhabitant of Zion, For great is the Holy One of Israel in your midst!

  226. SFDBWV says:

    Good Friday to all you fellow travelers. Things here are, and continue to be very stressful and busy as we were more fortunate than other places with the 5 inches of rain we received in 4 hours the morning of the 30th into the 1st, still we have problems that require resolution and that means I am occupied.

    Reading over the commentary it is interesting to see how people who are concerned with the pride of another don’t see that as not only being negatively judgmental, but shows a form of jealousy and envy in themselves.

    There are lots of “stinkers” among us and their attitude and actions especially the things they say show that they are, but we as Christians are supposed to show Christ in our behavior, our actions, and our conversation.

    I too can’t see how we can live among other people and not recognize negative flaws in them, but we shouldn’t let that be the driving force behind our actions toward them.

    One of the fruits of the Spirit is longsuffering, and while suffering of itself has many forms, if we must suffer the negative behavior of another toward or around us then we are to deal with it in prayer and meditation giving God time to work out the problem in them as well as in us as the two are connected.

    While thinking of pride, I would like to say that there are two sides to pride. Negative and positive.

    We must have a good self-image of ourselves and confidence in our abilities in order to have a good mental health, but restraining it not to become arrogance.

    A fine line for some, but in my experience, as well as found in Scripture, that arrogant kind of pride always comes before a fall. Whereas confidence can produce good results when applied for any good cause.

    I am not going to join in the pride bashing parade and center rather on the positives of the other people in my path.

    I may bring some thoughts forward about living in a bubble later, but for now I just needed a little distraction from the events in my life here in order to get a little rest from them.

    Blessings to all today.


  227. Beloved says:

    Steve your post is very encouraging, you said “I too can’t see how we can live among other people and not recognize negative flaws in them, but we shouldn’t let that be the driving force behind our actions toward them.”

    I have been thinking this morning that the message of scripture and being chosen is meant to be encouraging. We can easily focus on others faults as they are right in our faces but the message overall is Christ came and now lives in His followers, and all have an equal opportunity to accept reject and love like He did. The more we focus on others the result of our opinions of them comes out. We forget the depravity we all were born into at one time. God is very patient, it’s one of the attributes of His love. The harder it is to love the more I need to shut up and instead of criticizing and complaining get alone with God. He teaches me that to love is the most important and to turn that love toward my enemies; those who say they love but do not show it. I must be more patient and loving. Love overcomes a MULTITUDE of sins, others’ sins as James said. But often love brings out the worst in those who don’t really know/trust God.
    Patience is required. I don’t have it but Jesus does because He proves it to me every time I confess my sins to Him, daily. I think we are chosen to become more and more like His true children, holy and loving, just as He is.

  228. poohpity says:

    What person alive does not have sin, flaws, faults, shortcomings or failures? I know of only One! So then why are those things more important for us to point out in others when our own perspective is marred by them. We can not see theirs clearly because one is often blinded by their own.

    There is a difference in pride and confidence.
    • A proud person is not humble whereas a confident person is.

    • A proud person believes that he is capable of anything, but a confident person is aware of his flaws.

    • A proud person rejects criticism and advices whereas a confident person uses them for his growth.

  229. street says:



    was thinking of my fellow travelers this am an how music and lyrics touch us.

    was thinking of the song landslide

    what would that song look and sound like if you added the song you raise me up?

    i think it would sound like Romans 7 and Hebrews 10

    just a thought

    may the Lord and Savior Jesus be the music in your Soul.

  230. Beloved says:

    Yes only Jesus can lift us up to see above the mess we are and have made. I like the line, Mirror in the Sky, it reflects Jesus in me. Holding this little child’s hand and smiling!

  231. street says:

    poo, God called job a righteous man

    a sinner made righteous

    a man made humble in the presents of God.

  232. street says:

    given robs of righteousness …..

    sanctified ….the process begun by the Spirit of God and completed by the Spirit of God, not the flesh, in conforming the inner man to the image of Christ.

    worked out in faith in God’s Word, by the Spirit of God.

    worshipers, who worship in Spirit, Holy Spirit, and Truth, God’s Word. a Spirit given at pentecost and at the new birth.

    Jeremiah 31:33
    “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

  233. street says:

    Could it be a bad dream?

    the law in human flesh without the Holy Spirit.


  234. bratimus says:

    Job didn’t go to the cross and die for all men/women sin, didn’t rise from the dead and did not ascend to heaven and send the Holy Spirit to help us through test or trails the evil one might test because of are choices. Instead of seeing the book of Job as a reason for the need of Christ and the Holy Spirit, some are putting Job before Christ. One thing I have learned about reading the OLD Testament is how it points to Christ and why we need Christ.

    In Christ Name


    Just a thought that stirred up in me

  235. jeff1 says:

    His Eye Is on the Sparrow

    Why should I feel discouraged
    Why should the shadows come
    Why should my heart feel lonely
    And long for heaven and home
    When Jesus is my portion
    A constant friend is He
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches over me
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches me

    I sing because I’m happy
    I sing because I’m free
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches me (He watches me)
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches
    I know He watches
    I know He watches me

    I sing because I´m happy
    I sing because I´m free
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches me (He watches me)
    His eye is on the sparrow
    And I know He watches me (He watches me)
    He watches me
    I know
    He watches

  236. street says:


    JOB 5:1–27

    Eliphaz suggests that Job should submit himself happily to divine discipline (17), because it will eventually bring forth restoration and prosperity (23–26), despite the pain of correction (18–21). It implies that Eliphaz views Job’s calamity as God’s rod of discipline. He concludes, “We have examined this, and it is true. So hear it and apply it to yourself” (27). He tries to impose a standard answer on Job. If Job had listened to Eliphaz, the motive of pursuing prosperity would have destroyed his integrity of disinterested piety. What Job desires is vindication, not restoration and prosperity.

    Do we treat our long-standing experience or belief as a model answer to others? May we learn to set people free instead of putting them into our boxes!
    scripture union 7/5/19

    having fun with law and life. not looking forward to dark days. happy celebration in tension with the lament. i hope this doesn’t mean i’m sitting on a fence.

  237. street says:

    job teaches us how to suffer. to number our days that we can present ourselves to God. yet daily in the new testament. job was smart enough to request an advocate, a mediator, and a redeemer….we find all these things in Christ. given His Spirit.

    if we are righteous in Christ Jesus? why do we suffer?

  238. street says:

    “Let not your heart be troubled…” (John 14:1).

    guess i was letting my heart be troubled.

    oswald chambers today. ops!

  239. bratimus says:

    I rather suffer with Christ, then suffer alone. There is no promise that WE the righteous in Christ, will have no suffering, but Christ will ease the burden of that suffering. Do WE know what suffering with the Lord Jesus Christ actually is.

    In Christ Name


    If someone’s comment stirs a thought In me, that thought
    isn’t reflected at the commenter, the comment just gets a thought out

  240. Beloved says:

    I love what O C says today:

    Don’t plan with a rainy day in mind. You cannot hoard things for a rainy day if you are truly trusting Christ. Jesus said, “Let not your heart be troubled…” (John 14:1). God will not keep your heart from being troubled. It is a command— “Let not….” To do it, continually pick yourself up, even if you fall a hundred and one times a day, until you get into the habit of putting God first and planning with Him in mind.

    It’s so interesting because I was discussing this with the LORD yesterday and trying to convince Him I was fine and knew He would keep me if I chose to put something else first for a couple hours. As the day wore on I began to recognize how the opening I had created was slowly filling with worldly things. I can’t have it both ways. Either I’m all in or all out. No fence in my experience. Scary.

  241. jeff1 says:

    This World Is Not My Home

    This world is not my home I’m just a passing through
    My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then lord what will I do
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    I have a loving mother just over in gloryland
    And I don’t expect to stop until I shake her hand
    She’s waiting now for me in heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home Then lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me From heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

    Just over in gloryland
    We’ll live eternally
    The saints on every hand are shouting victory

    Their songs of sweetest praise
    Drift back from heaven’s shore
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

    Oh lord, you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home Then lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me From heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home In this world anymore

  242. Beloved says:

    From my reading tonight,

    “The Scriptures are given to point us to Christ, that He Himself might profit us. When the Bible is understood correctly, the benefits of Christ are received. When it is twisted so as to obscure these benefits, it will not yield its authority and life. When Christ is your life you will treasure the Bible. You will not use it to prove your correctness or to give weight to your own arguments. Ultimately, Scripture will serve no man’s agenda, and you will not be interested in getting it to serve yours. You will only want to serve the agenda of Scripture: to bear witness to Christ. You will search the Scriptures and long for them to point you to your Authority, the Great King, that you might submit to Him.”

    Joshua Nickel, author
    To Live Is Christ: 30 Days With Gods Servant Paul

  243. jeff1 says:

    Since I have seen Scripture used by many to give weight to their arguments I see that there are different types of readers.

    In essence those who seek Jesus find Him and bear witness to Christ while those who do not have self fulfilling prophecies as they have read the Bible to strengthen their preconceived beliefs rather than to seek God’s truths which are for those who diligently seek Him.

    Great post, Beloved.

  244. jeff1 says:

    O God Of Truth

    O God of truth, Whose living Word
    Upholds whate’er hath breath,
    Look down on Thy creation, Lord,
    Enslaved by sin and death.

    Set up Thy standard, Lord, that we,
    Who claim a heavenly birth,
    May march with Thee to smite the lies
    That vex Thy groaning earth.

    Ah! would we join that blest array,
    And follow in the might
    Of Him, the Faithful and the True,
    In raiment clean and white!

    We fight for truth, we fight for God,
    Poor slaves of lies and sin!
    He who would fight for Thee on earth
    Must first be true within.

    Then, God of truth, for Whom we long,
    Thou Who wilt hear our prayer,
    Do Thine own battle in our hearts,
    And slay the falsehood there.

    Still smite; still burn; till naught is left
    But God’s own truth and love;
    Then, Lord, as morning dew come down,
    Rest on us from above.

    Yes, come: then, tried as in the fire,
    From every lie set free,
    Thy perfect truth shall dwell in us,
    And we shall live in Thee.

  245. Beloved says:

    Beautiful song, Viv.

  246. jeff1 says:

    Yes, its from:

    Psalm 31:5 New International Version (NIV)

    5 Into your hands I commit my spirit;
    deliver me, Lord, my faithful God.

  247. SFDBWV says:

    When you think of the Prophets you realize that they all were called (chosen) before they were born.

    Their lives were not their own to do as they wanted, but rather their lives were for a purpose God wanted from them.

    Whereas Jonah was reluctant to do God’s bidding, so also was this other “prophet” Balaam.

    Then again perhaps Balaam’s only purpose was just as recorded, to bless Israel in spite of being paid not to by her enemies.

    It kind of reminds me of today as so many nations are economically allied to Israel’s enemies, so Israel becomes politically a “leper”.

    Elijah was a reluctant Prophet, but God wasn’t finished with His mission yet so God took Him up to be used again at another time.

    So many times I have stated here to be careful what you ask for of God, as you just may get it.

    If you are chosen for a purpose your life is no longer your own, but for the designed purpose God has for you. In time you too may find yourself reluctant, or tired, even discouraged, but be assured God’s will, will be done in spite of your thoughts on the subject.

    Be blessed.


  248. Beloved says:

    Reading My Utmost today I was reminded of how God tests us with the hope of becoming more like Him. Testing, for some reason I thought of how we test a cake to see if it’s done. We either poke it with a finger or stick a toothpick in it to test it. I think sometimes God uses a drill to test me, puts it in and lets it run “until”. Until I’ve figured it out. Reminds me of what Steve said about being careful of what you ask for. No pain no gain I guess. But the outcome is so different usually. His ways are very very hard to understand, but then why shouldn’t they be. We are the batter He is the oven. My neighbor complains her oven cycles between bake and broil so often it ruins her cakes! Thank God He doesn’t give us more than we can take. He’s good. I keep reminding myself of that Truth. I’m not done yet and neither is He. And yes, He’s in control.

  249. bratimus says:

    I have been thinking what Steve wrote today.

    As I see it or thinking on it, the prophet’s of the Old Testament are different then the Disciples of the New Testament due to the fact that Christ came and there was a new way or the true way. I don’t know if the Spirit of God dwelt within the prophet’s of the OT or if the word of God just came to them. (I wasn’t there, before my time.)

    The Disciples of the NT after the risen Christ, had the Holy Spirit dwelling within, so there is a different way to proclaim the Word of God.

    So as the church grew over the years, and man start using the church and the Word of God to control more then witness God’s word. Did true disciple or Discipleship fade? That is a question I have.

    Do we need true Disciples to rise up the way God intended them to be?

    Here is one thing I do know if you are called to serve God through Christ and the Holy Spirit, there are times you need to wait on the Spirit to move before you move.
    Sometimes patients is what is required, some try to move before the Spirit and that doesn’t always work out.

    In Christ Name


  250. jeff1 says:

    Put peace into each other’s hands
    and like a treasure hold it;
    protect it like a candle flame,
    with tenderness enfold it.

    Put peace into each other’s hands
    with loving expectation;
    be gentle in your words and ways,
    in touch with God’s creation.

    Put peace into each other’s hands,
    like bread we break for sharing;
    look people warmly in the eye:
    our life is meant for caring.

    As at communion, shape your hands
    into a waiting cradle;
    the gift of Christ receive, revere,
    united round the table.

    Put Christ into each other’s hands,
    he is love’s deepest measure;
    in love make peace, give peace a chance
    and share it like a treasure.

  251. street says:

    Romans 11:25
    For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

    Philemon 1:14
    but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20
    19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

    45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, 46 and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.

  252. street says:

    32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Be on guard, keep awake.[a] For you do not know when the time will come. 34 It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants[b] in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake.

  253. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how often my doubts leads to me fearing God more than loving Him.

    It isn’t believing that God exists or trusting in His sovereignty that I doubt.

    It is God’s character throughout history that I find complex and so often I find myself faced (thoughts) with an angry God when my gut feeling tells me that He is not.

    That why this Post Communion Prayer was very comforting to me.

    O God, whose beauty is beyond our imagining and whose power we cannot comprehend: Give us a glimpse of your glory on earth but shield us from knowing more than we can bear until we may look upon you without fear; through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Amen.

  254. jeff1 says:

    The King of love my Shepherd is,
    Whose goodness faileth never,
    I nothing lack if I am His
    And He is mine forever.

    Where streams of living water flow
    My ransomed soul He leadeth,
    And where the verdant pastures grow,
    With food celestial feedeth.

    Perverse and foolish oft I strayed,
    But yet in love He sought me,
    And on His shoulder gently laid,
    And home, rejoicing, brought me.

    In death’s dark vale I fear no ill
    With Thee, dear Lord, beside me;
    Thy rod and staff my comfort still,
    Thy cross before to guide me.

    Thou spread’st a table in my sight;
    Thy unction grace bestoweth;
    And O what transport of delight
    From Thy pure chalice floweth!

    And so through all the length of days
    Thy goodness faileth never;
    Good Shepherd, may I sing Thy praise
    Within Thy house forever.

  255. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    Hope you had a great weekend, and pray all is well in your lives. Was thinking a little more this morning about Mart’s words…

    “Oh, Jonah, bro! What am I thinking? What have we missed? Could it have something to do with what Moses and Paul were feeling when they said that if God didn’t do for others what he had done for them, they didn’t want the privilege– or the job (Exodus 32:31-32 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ) (Romans 9:1-3 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).”

    Wow! Thinking about the honesty and selflessness of Moses and Paul… how willing they were to share exactly what they were feeling with God. They wanted God to do for others exactly what He’d done for them. They wanted others to receive the same blessings, favor, understanding, compassion, help, etc. that they had received. Wow… They *truly* loved the people that God had sent them to… I think that’s exactly why He sent them. Don’t know about you all, but I used to (maybe still do at times) shy away from telling God how I truly feel about what’s going on in my life, or how I feel about a situation regarding me or (even) someone else. Also, reflecting on how both knew God’s divine purpose and perfect will for their lives. I feel like I know some of God’s will for my life, but not all of His will/ purpose for my life. I’m willing to spend more time in prayer to find out what His (complete) divine purpose is for my life. All for now.

    89 degrees and plenty of sunshine in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  256. street says:

    thinking about toes this morning.
    toes made of clay and iron.
    they are classified as strengths and weakness.

    has God crushed my strengths and weakness in order that His will be done? we think of our weakness, as times in how we fail. if that is true, could not our strength have the same effect? our adversary is indeed cunning.

    Jesus is a Great Savior and Lord

  257. Beloved says:

    Christ IN us, the hope of glory!

  258. Beloved says:

    Prayer needed for Gods wisdom about a move that would be closer to my son/ daughter and families. My best friend died so no longer happy where I’m at as far as my need for connection and intimacy goes. But the grandchildren are always jubilant to see me! So…

  259. street says:

    thinking of strengths again.
    the four soils
    the shallow soil, rocky soil
    thinking these kinds of strengths are greatly misinterpreted. unable to produce fruit.

  260. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how I am not always sure what I am feeling (mixed feelings) so I don’t tell God anything but it is when I am silent and listening that I find His comfort in knowing that He knows me better than anyone and I feel reassured in that moment that all is well in my life.

    I have extremes of being over zealous as my sister pointed out to me when I joined a class and instead of learning each week what the teacher taught I became anxious and impatient in learning and so had to give up the class.

    Likewise I can have extremes of sadness, joy, anger that effects my well being as keeping a balance of moods is a struggle for me and those around me often suffer the onslaught and have to reason with me or walk away until I have leveled of and am reasonable again.

    I am told that it is a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes my distress and I am not alone in suffering which while I am sure that helps the person telling me feel better that it is a common reaction it is still a burden that I find overwhelming in itself. My brother also suffered from a mental disorder which isolated him from the rest of society.

    I am not thinking so deep as to God’s purpose for me but rather take a day at a time in trusting Him to continue to comfort and reassure me as it is His presence that lightens my burden in knowing that I shall be free some day from it.

    Unable to produce fruit comes to mind as I struggle through this world and all its uncertainty.

  261. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, am praying for you!
    May God shed His light on your path.

    In reaction to Regina, thinking how well we know God.
    I was also thinking, do I share everything with Jesus?
    As in Beloved case, a move, that is a big thing.
    But all the small things?
    Waking up in the morning and giving my day to the Lord,
    that’s a great start, sitting with my bible all attention tot God, asking to guide me.
    But how easily I stop giving the next step to Him, and do it on my own.
    Even if there is nothing big, just chores, do I share it with Jesus? That is my aim, getting really personal,
    with Jesus.

    Do I share everything with Him?
    Do I, as Bratimus says, wait on Him.
    Wait for an answer.

    Do I nothing, and just remain in His Rest, when I hear no answer?

  262. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, may God be with you, may He comfort you!

    I am learning this, Jeff, as soon as I have a feeling that makes me uncomfortable,
    Give it to Jesus

    The sooner the better!

    And keep giving it to Him,

    And start singing spiritual songs and hymns and Psalms.

    But you are already doing that!

    Not deciding to do something to feel better,
    Like eating sweet things
    Or drinking coffee.

    But rather praise God

    Moses was chosen.
    But for 40 years (!) he was tending sheep in the desert.
    Nothing spectacular, just every day rithm.

    I was thinking, there he learned to share everything with God.

  263. foreverblessed says:

    Iron and clay

    I never thought that this would have an implication for my own life!

    Have to meditate on that….

    Iron: sharing with Jesus
    Clay: being alone with my discomforts ( forgetting tot share it with Jesus)

  264. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Forever, I get comfort from God’s word be it in songs or poetry, it is what reassures me that nothing separates me from His love and mercy.

    My mixed feelings don’t change God’s care and provision and in time I see that it is He who does provide in whatever circumstances I find myself.

    Enduring is what brings me closer to God as it is Him I cry out to when in doubt and suffering.

    Where Could I Go but to the Lord

    Living below in this old sinful world
    Hardly a comfort can afford
    Striving alone to face temptation so
    Now won’t you tell me

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Life here is grand with friends I love so dear
    Comfort I get from God’s own word
    Yet when I face that chilling hand of death
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

  265. poohpity says:

    I learned a long time ago knowing that God knows all my thoughts but the reason for me talking out loud to Him helps me get things off my chest. I hear what I was thinking it was way better and easier to sort things out to speak them out loud less to hold in my brain. Then I learned that talking out loud to Him is an action of faith knowing that He listens and some how finds a way to respond to me. I believe God loves nothing more than to hear from us even in causal conversation throughout the day whether mopping the floor or taking out the rubbish. It is after all a relationship and communication is a vital part of any relationship even with One who knows our thoughts.

  266. poohpity says:

    God knew in advance those who would accept His invitation into a relationship with Him, we made that choice in others words “Chosen”. He wanted that with all humanity His invitation goes out to all but not many will accept it.

    It is God who produces fruit in our lives from His very presence within us, the more time one spends with Him the more we begin to reflect that. If we were able to produce fruit it would be our fruit not His. So living in Christ and submission to His leading is what produces His fruit in our lives. The fruit is there we often would just rather go out on our own and not draw from what God has given us.

  267. jeff1 says:

    When we see people working for the good of others then we see Jesus reflected and that gives me hope today. Because of all the nastiness in the world I need to keep fixed on God as only He can dispel the gloom that can set in when I take my eyes of Him.

    I am hear to fight the good fight with Christ being the Victor so there really is no contest is there.

  268. jeff1 says:

    Fight the Good Fight

    Fight the good fight with all thy might;
    Christ is thy Strength, and Christ thy Right;
    Lay hold on life, and it shall be
    Thy joy and crown eternally.

    Run the straight race through God’s good grace,
    Lift up thine eyes, and seek His face;
    Life with its way before us lies,
    Christ is the Path, and Christ the Prize.

    Cast care aside, upon thy Guide,
    Lean, and His mercy will provide;
    Lean, and the trusting soul shall prove
    Christ is its Life, and Christ its Love.

    Faint not nor fear, His arms are near,
    He changeth not, and thou art dear.
    Only believe, and thou shalt see
    That Christ is all in all to thee.

  269. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Don’t know what the weather is like in your neck of the woods, but it’s super hot here! Thank God for A.C. and electric fans.

    Today’s ODB devotional is so “on point” with this blog topic, so I had to share…

    No More Running (by Adam Holz)

    “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me. From deep in the realm of the dead I called for help, and you listened to my cry.” ~ Jonah 2:2

    On July 18, 1983, a US Air Force captain disappeared from Albuquerque, New Mexico, without a trace. Thirty-five years later, authorities found him in California. The New York Times reports that, “depressed about his job,” he’d simply run away.

    Thirty-five years on the run! Half a lifetime spent looking over his shoulder! I have to imagine that anxiety and paranoia were this man’s constant companions.
    But I have to admit, I also know a bit about being “on the run.” No, I’ve never abruptly fled something in my life . . . physically. But at times I know there’s something God wants me to do, something I need to face or confess. I don’t want to do it. And so, in my own way, I run too.

    The prophet Jonah is infamous for literally running from God’s assignment to preach to the city of Nineveh (see Jonah 1:1–3). But, of course, he couldn’t outrun God. You’ve probably heard what happened (vv. 4,17): A storm. A fish. A swallowing. And, in the belly of the beast, a reckoning, in which Jonah faced what he’d done and cried to God for help (2:2).

    Jonah wasn’t a perfect prophet. But I take comfort in his remarkable story, because, even despite Jonah’s stubbornness, God never let go of him. The Lord still answered the man’s desperate prayer, graciously restoring His reluctant servant (v. 2)—just as He does with us.

    Jonah initially ministered to the northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of Jeroboam II (2 Kings 14:23–28). God reassigned him to minister to the Assyrian city of Nineveh and to warn them to repent or face God’s judgment (Jonah 1:1). After Jonah refused this new mission and instead fled in the opposite direction (v. 3), God disciplined him by causing him to be swallowed up by a big fish (vv. 4, 17). Jonah 2 records the prophet’s prayer of repentance when he was inside the fish. Jesus used this event to foreshadow His own burial and resurrection: “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40; Jonah 1:17). All for now…

    96 degrees (feels like 107 degrees) with (dare I say) too much sunshine in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  270. Beloved says:


    Jonah 2:2 “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me. From deep in the realm of the dead I called for help, and you listened to my cry.”

    Jesus says John 5:24, “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

    Easy to lose sight of salvation sometimes when involved in Spiritual formation. “Kiss the Son, lest He be angry with you” rises in my heart but then I recall “Keep It Simple Stupid” John 5:24 is keeping the Truth, the simple truth of our salvation because of our Redeemer, Christ alone. Amen

  271. jeff1 says:

    It seems to me that if you desire to know God’s purpose for your life then you will seek to do so but not all do seek to know God’s purpose and myself I have been running from God all my life because I decided after my confirmation that His ways were just too difficult.

    God has drawn me back to Himself and used my dad to do so and that is why I am convinced that I cannot hide from God He knows just where to find me.

    When it comes to running from God there is no where to run as jonah discovered!

    It’s best to submit to His ways rather than be like jonah but its easy to be critical of jonah when you are not faced with his circumstances.

    Those who have found what God’s purpose is are ahead of those who are like jonah and still trying to pursue their own.

    For me, I see that God never left me, I left Him, as is my tendency to do so and therefore I am blessed to read Job’s words:

    I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted” (Job 42:2).

    Once God has established His purposes for our lives—no one can change it.

    “Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails”…

  272. foreverblessed says:

    That indeed sticks with me too!
    Simple stupid.

    We have been redeemed by Jesus!

    Point zero.

    We can send away all evil, simply by stating that fact:

    Jesus has paid our ransom, you cannot claim me.

    I was also thinking many feelings and thoughts of dismay, doubt and fear are not because of our own weakness, but they are an attack out of the evil side.

    Send them away in Jesus’ name.

  273. poohpity says:

    Wouldn’t it be nicer and kinder to say, “Keep It Simple Saint” not stupid. Just a thought.

  274. street says:

    Oh, Jonah, bro! What am I thinking? What have we missed?


  275. street says:

    Genesis 12:1–3

    Luke 9:23

    thinking of many are called few are chosen.

    22 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. 3 And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. 4 Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ 5 But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, 6 and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. 7 But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. 8 Then he *said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ 10 Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.

    11 “But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12 and he *said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”


  276. poohpity says:

    street, what does that parable mean?

  277. bratimus says:

    Peculiar, no

    Those who have ears let them hear, the words of the Lord.


  278. bratimus says:

    Well, when the servants went out and gather all from the street the last time all prepare in there hearts and dressed accordingly for the wedding, the one didn’t not prepare his heart and did not dress accordingly, so he got booted. It is the preparation of the heart that will help us dress accordingly for the kingdom of Heaven, after that is what the parable is all about, God’s Kingdom.

    In Christ Name


    P.S. remember how many did not come who were invited ahead of time!!!

  279. jeff1 says:

    In Christ Alone

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save
    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

    There in the ground His body lay
    Light of the world by darkness slain
    Then bursting forth in glorious Day
    Up from the grave He rose again
    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
    For I am His and He is mine
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ

    No guilt in life, no fear in death
    This is the power of Christ in me
    From life’s first cry to final breath
    Jesus commands my destiny
    No power of hell, no scheme of man
    Can ever pluck me from His hand
    Till He returns or calls me home
    Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand

    I will stand
    I will stand, all other ground is sinking sand
    All other ground, all other ground
    Is sinking sand, is sinking sand
    So I’ll stand

  280. Beloved says:

    Thinking about stupid

    noun: stupid; plural noun: stupids

    mid 16th century: from French stupide or Latin stupidus, from stupere ‘be amazed or stunned’.

    I’m definitely stupid when it comes to God, a stupid, loved saint amazed and stunned by Him every day! Best to keep it simple and trust Him.

  281. Beloved says:

    38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

    2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
    with words without knowledge?

  282. foreverblessed says:

    Keeping it very simple:
    We have been fred from the dark side,
    we have been ransomed by Jesus, who paid our price.
    The dark side does have no dominion over us.

    But when we jude one antoher, we give him a foothold, when we keep anger and bitterness in our hearts against each other, we give him a foothold.
    So we have to keep ourselves pure, and confess our sins, as to stay free.
    (I like the explanation of Joyce Meyer on Matthew 7:6
    The Holy Spirit had told her that she was very sick when she was pregnant, the fourht time, as she never had been the other three times. She asked God why that was, and the Holy Spirit gave her an answer: Because she had judged a pregnant woman harshly, who because of feeling sick did not attend a bible study, the evil had an entrance, he could harrass her with the same judgment as to with which she had judged another: namely the sickness of vomitting when you are pregnant
    Judging anothher is a pearl to the swines, they turn and tar you to pieces, this bible verse is in the context of “judging others”)

    So it is adament that we confess our sins, as to stay free.
    And search our hearts if we have no hidden sins,
    But if we don’t have them, just throw out any accusations that come from the dark side.

    But that is not new, many have said that overhere. So why I would rehearse it, I do not know.

    Because the thing is that it is so great that we have been freed by Jesus, whe are HIS.

  283. foreverblessed says:

    In all of the church history, judging one anothers heart has been a problem.
    Or should I say, the lack of Unity in Christ.
    the Unity that should be kept holy in Christ.
    John 17:21
    That they be ONE, Father, just as You are in Me and I am in You, May they also be in us, that the world may believe that You have sent Me.

    Being chosen, but not seeing our own interpreations of the bible as the only one that is the chosen one.

    Steve asked the last topic, does God still speak?

    I was thinking, maybe Steve means to ask, does God reveal new things that have not been written in the bible?

    Extra truth.

    But that God still speaks is to me a reality. He speaks to anybody who really asks Him with a sincere heart.

    What has been revealed through the centuries after Jesus Ascension, looks to me like explanation of what Jesus meant to say.

    I have been reading some on wikipedia, about

    A-the Great Schism “east-West schism”, the divorce of the Roman Cathlic Chruch and the Eastern Orthodox church. 1054 AD

    It is about the Holy Spirit, coming from the Father and the Son, the East church said: From the Father… and then through the Son.

    Not a big deal I would say.

    But on youtube you can see a video of a cathlic explaining that the schism was primarlily not a doctrinal issue, but reciprocal distrust: lack of unity in Christ. The eastnern church did not want One head namely the pope, but a group of leadership the bisshops of 5 great cities, who would decide doctrinal changes. They thought this change of doctrine: The Holy Spirit coming form tht Father and the Son, (filioque) was added without an agreement with all the bisshops.

    Again: lack of Unity in Christ.

    B-About Maarten Luther, discussing with Erasmus. around 1520-1540

    under: “Erasmus” disagreement with Luther

    readong this made me very uncomfortable, Maarten Luther was a big example of courage. But he was quite ferocious in dealing with Erasmus (and with others as well). I would say, he could have done this with much more Grace from above.

    About the free will. And again, I would say: they could have come to an agreement, but they did not feel the unity in Christ. Luther wanted Erasmus to join his church, and thought that Erasmus was a coward in not doing so. Whereas Erasmus wanted to stay unattached, just being a scholar. Neither did he want to help the pope in refuting Luther.

    Luther says: people have to be freed first, before they can have free will.

    C-About the “Arminianism”, Jacob Arminus, the discussion with Calvinists and Arminians.

    More a less the same discussion about the free will.

    in our country, the son of William of Orange, Maurits, chose for hte calvinists, because politically that was more convenient for him. But doctrinally he preferred the Arminians.

    But now I bumped into a great example of how different views can be handled:

    D-That is about the “Quartodeciman Controversy”

    Under that title you can read in in wikipedia.

    It is about keeping the Lord’s Supper. The christians in Asia (nowadays Turkey) and Israel, kept to the Old Testament days, on the 14 th of Nissan. somewhere in April (That’s why it is called quartodeciman). They said it was handed over to them by the apostle John, who lived in Ephesus.

    But the rest of the christians, in Rome, and Egypt, kept the Lord’s Supper on Sunday morning, and they said it was handed over to them by the Apostle Peter and Paul.

    But they parted in total agreement, leaving each othher alone in their practices.

    A beautiful example of how we could handle disagreements, and differences of insight as to what God wanted it say in the bible;

    cited form the wikipedia site:

    “Irenaeus noted:

    Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]

    But neither considered that the disagreement required them to break off communion and initiate a schism. Indeed, “Anicetus conceded the administration of the eucharist in the church to Polycarp, manifestly as a mark of respect. And they parted from each other in peace, both those who observed, and those who did not, maintaining the peace of the whole church.”

  284. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Foreverblessed for some interesting reading. It does help occasionally to understand why we are where we are in doctrine.

    You put a lot of effort in your comment and I thank you for that.

    It sounds as if “Free will” means we are free to comfortably fit into what ever doctrine satisfies us. As it is after all the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in us that comforts us and settles in us our relationship with Christ.


  285. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry Steve, that is not wat I meant, in bringing up the free will.
    The free will controversy-
    The free will is not free says Luther.
    People first have to be freed by Jesus.
    They are held captive by the evil world.
    Sorry they are not free to choose for Jesus.

    And as to doctrinal differences:
    My point was that first the unity in Christ has to be sought, and after that there can be a discussion.

    Maybe first taking the Lord’s Supper, and then explaining viewpoints.

    Unity first
    Who we are in Christ.

  286. SFDBWV says:

    No apology needed Foreverblessed, I understood your message.

    It was my view of the disagreements among “church” leaders over the years that they wanted their views put forward. thinking they were right while others wrong.

    After all right and wrong doctrine is something we all have to work out on our own with God at the helm.


  287. poohpity says:

    forever, there sure was nothing simple about what the different religions did to what Jesus taught as we see from what you wrote, that is what happens when people want to put their two cents in other than what the word teaches.

    There was also nothing in scripture about a specific day to share the Lord’s table but only when followers met together on whatever day it may be.

    Free will is something we have from birth to make choices on our own nothing to do with having the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit opens our eyes and hearts to spiritual matters from there we can make the choice to follow His leading or our own.

    These types of matters can be solved very easily because they are all found within the pages of scripture, different doctrines come from man. There is really only one doctrine but as Paul often warned there will be those who will come and muddy that by different philosophies and vanities beside the simplicity of the Good News (Gospel). Most of the new testament epistles address that very issue repeatedly.

  288. poohpity says:

    Here is keeping it simple, Saints

    Eph 4: 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.
    There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    one God and Father of all,
    who is over all, in all, and living through all.

    When the church began that was the unity they found in their beliefs and what made them one with the Father. There was not all kinds of doctrines or denominations but they shared a common belief, it was not until those sneaky people came into the body that they started to divide it by bringing in false teaching, different man made traditions and human understanding, no longer being lead by the Spirit.

  289. poohpity says:

    2 Cor 11:3-4 NLT

    The Pope is no different than any other man and to have people bow to him and kiss his ring is nothing more than idol worship. The devil tempted Jesus by wanting Jesus to worship him but Jesus replied, ” “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”

    God gave people different gifts to serve in the body but none are any better than the others or more holy, the indwelling Spirit within a person is what makes them Holy. The Pope is just another sinner saved by God’s grace and one day God will take him off the pedestal he now sits on.

  290. poohpity says:

    There are several places in scripture that people bowed down to worship the Apostles and the Apostles ripped their clothes and told them that they were people just like they are and to worship only the Lord from whom all the miracles they did came from.

  291. poohpity says:

    bratimus, that parable seems to be similar to what this topic is about. People who boasted in being God’s chosen race(Hebrews) or Christians but it was in name only they did not search or seek after God so when the banquet happened they were not interested in coming to it, the things of the world had taken God’s place in their hearts so God sent the message out to the gentiles and anyone else who would respond to His call, many had been chosen but only some answered His call. “Come follow me” The rest will not have a personal relationship with God not because He did not want them to but because they made the choice to turn away and will be left out of His safety and will fall into the place of anguish. Their choice not God’s.

  292. Beloved says:

    Saints and believers

    Jewish Christians are referred to as “saints” in the new testament while febrile concerts are called “believers”.

  293. Beloved says:

    Oops auto correct got me. I’ll try again,

    Saints and believers

    Jewish Christians are referred to as “saints” in the new testament while Gentiles are called “believers”. Saint means one who is set apart, holy to God. (As the curtain separated the priest from the people in the temple.) I found this quite interesting to learn about.

  294. Beloved says:

    Thankfully Gentiles have been engrafted into the Jewish lineage for salvation. Yes, very very thankful I am. Jesus, LORD of our salvation, Amen.

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