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The Politics of Jesus and Paul

Early on we learn that religion and politics are two subjects that intrigue, animate, identify and divide us.

Neither is easy to avoid in a world that is at the same time so material and spiritual.

We are drawn into politics by real issues that tend to leave us with the impression that all of life boils down to which person or party controls the economics of our health, wealth, and freedom.

Religion on the other hand whispers to us in ways that remind us that money isn’t everything. So voting or fighting to protect our “pocket book” could raise issues of how to read the “the good book” into the business of living.

Spiritual concerns turn out to be just as important as money matters since survivability depends not only on the condition of our bodies and bank accounts but also on the health of our minds and hearts.

As a result nothing is as simple or complex as we’d like to think. The closer we look, we discover the spiritual side of our politics and the political dimensions of our spirituality.

So unless whatever book, teacher, God or gods we use for our spirituality can transform our approach to religion and politics into something good for one another—in our differences— maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.

Jesus spent his last days talking religion and politics (Acts 1:3).  So did Paul. In the shadow of Rome, Caesar, and Herod,  both used some of their last words to talk about the kingdom of God (Acts 28:23-31).

Seems to me that within the bigger story of God, gods, empires, Jesus and Paul, it does matter who rules– and how, who stands with or against them– and how— at whose expense– and how much.

 

 


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    First Mart allow me to thank you to take out time from your life to fix BTA and again provide for us a subject from which to share with each other.

    You are a blessing to each of us and I want you to know from me you are appreciated.

    Now as to the subject as it speaks to me this morning.

    In the recent flooding that has occurred here and around other communities near by the all too familiar face of government representatives have occupied my days.

    They come to see what help they can be, but come with pages of regulations as to if they are allowed to help, how much and even will.

    This is the politics of government.

    From my simple view the only regulations should be if someone, anyone, needs help then help them.

    If you were to put a label on my politics it would be a moderate conservative. I am a “Republican” because I could not belong to a political party that pushes an agenda to make abortion and homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle.

    At the same time I see it the responsibility of government to see to the business of providing a safe and quality life for its citizens.

    I don’t see either view conflicting with my view of Christianity.

    There is a very disturbing moral and political event occurring though at our (USA) southern border.

    Seeing people jailed for trying to find a better life for themselves and their families just doesn’t settle well with me. Yes they are entering the country illegally, but there has to be a way of making the law of the land work in order to make their entry legal and welcome to a country they can help build and make stronger by their desire to be here.

    Our politicians have used the situation as well as the suffering of these people in order to push a political power struggle and that is morally wrong of them to do so.

    And so it goes, my politics are tied to my relationship with Jesus of Nazareth and His interpretation of all of Scripture. When the two align (politics and my religious belief) all is well, however when the two collide I then am politically at odds with that issue that does not align with my Christian faith.

    Well I begin with this as to speaking to our new subject I am certain it may not be speaking exactly to the subject, but was on my heart this morning, so I have shared my thoughts with you my BTA friends.

    Come Lord Jesus and rescue us.

    Steve

  2. jeff1 says:

    My experiences have effected how I live out my politics, culture and religion.

    My son is proud to wear his orangeman’s sash and believes that I shy away from my protestantism because I grew up in the troubles when it was wise not to fly your colours and so he believes I am subconsciously afraid to declare my culture as I am influenced by the times I grew up in.

    I would agree with him that having seen the violence and hatred that divided this country brought about my politics and religion does effect how I see differently then he does.

    If I learned anything it is that it doesn’t matter whose holding the rifle to whose head it comes down to one person trying to terrorise another into their beliefs and I am long enough in the tooth to understand that its coming from a mind either deranged or someone who has decided their will should be obeyed.

    My dad used to say that we had a political and religious leader who would do the terrorist’s job for them and it turned out he was right.

    Why was my dad so wise when I was so stupid because he had the wisdom not to follow any political or religious leaders of his time and that is because he knew better whom to follow.

    He had the Christian upbringing and he followed through in it and kept his focus on God and not on people. His wise decisions reflected a life whose head was not turned by culture, politics or religion and why I see now that it was because he was focused on walking the walk that he didn’t take the time to talk the talk.

    Politics, culture and religion came well down the list in his life because he wasn’t sucked into the dynamics of them.

    My dad had no time for politicians, in his culture, he told me of how he was an orangeman since he was a child as it was his cultural inheritance but he never embraced or felt the need to embrace protestantism through orangeism and his religion was a church where he went to worship God without much concern as to what the church represented.

    He knew God because he made it his first priority to know Him while I was getting caught up in the dynamics of the politics, culture and religion of my day.

    Hindsight, comes to mind and why I see my dad’s truths looked nothing like mine or the culture, politics or religion I was drawn into.

    Discipline led my dad to knowing God, he listened to God and not the voices of those who claimed to.

    Those around me where changing God to their way of thinking and my dad knew it and avoided being drawn into it and that takes wisdom from God to do that.

    It takes discipline to listen to God and courage to be on His side as going against your culture, religion and politics will bring you ridicule, mockery and isolation and my dad would have known the heat of all three but it didn’t change his stance and now I know why!

  3. poohpity says:

    It seems to be the same with both politics and religion that many believe what they are fed or told devoid often of any facts but sadly not many attempt to find out what they are but in either case it is just as Paul said in Acts 28; People hearing without really understanding, seeing without really perceiving.

    On the border for instance we have laws that govern our nation which prevents chaos and harm but people who come here would rather come across illegally than to follow the laws and come through a port of entry. While Congress who makes our laws would rather stir up commotion than to change the laws for the good of not only immigrants but the very people of this nation. A great loss for all.

    It was Jesus who first said to follow the laws of the nations we live in because it is God who established those governments which were supposed to be for the protection of it’s citizens and through those citizens they reach out to many around the world for assistance. Love others as you love yourself or love others as I have loved you.

    Most arguments and disagreements seem to come from a lack of knowledge, ignorance. We depend more on government than we do on God and I am sure that is not what God had intended. In fact if I remember right God wanted to be our leader but humans cried out to be like all the other nations and warned His people what would happen if they depend on another human being rather than on Him but they wanted a fleshly king instead of God.

    Now a days people in the USA depend more on the letter by a person’s name and do no research on the history of the person before they vote. The same with spiritual matters people depend on what others tell them rather than finding out for themselves the teaching of Jesus and His message about the Kingdom of God. It seems people would rather listen to opinions rather than search for truth or facts.

  4. SFDBWV says:

    It has been said for millenniums that all roads lead to Rome. Paul knew that if he was to take the Gospel to the world he had to go to Rome even at the expense of his freedom and ultimately his life.

    He understood the politics of the time very well.

    If all roads lead to Rome, then all roads also left Rome to all the world.

    I still find it interesting that totalitarian styles of government try and forbid the teaching of Christianity within their borders.

    What is it that dictators fear about Christianity?

    After all the perfect Government spoken of in Scripture is the Kingdom of God and the lessons of being in the wilderness shown that when a mob ruled it was disastrous.

    Then again Christianity teaches there is only one God and He isn’t man.

    Steve

  5. poohpity says:

    Steve, wasn’t Paul a Roman citizen which is what prevented him from being tortured and flogged without having a trial first. Hadn’t he already started churches in many place before he was placed in prison in Rome where he wrote a majority of his letters to the churches he had already started?

  6. poohpity says:

    Didn’t “all roads lead to Rome” happen in the 12th century and had nothing to with with spreading the Gospel?

  7. bratimus says:

    Well I wrote something and posted it, but it didn’t show up, don’t time to write it again at the moment, maybe I’ll try again later.

  8. bratimus says:

    I’ll try this one more time.

    Mart is very appreciated.

    I’m not political and I don’t consider my self religious, I am more Spiritual living the ways of God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    Sometimes you can look at politics and religion as two sides of the same coin, then there are times when religion and politics are complete polar opposites. Depending on which side of the isle you may be standing on, which with people tends to flip flop on and given day and what topic might be in the spot light.

    Steve mentioned immigration and the situation we have with that. What pops into to my mind is Exodus 20:17, and with all the money being thrown at it does Exodus 20:15 come into it? Because in California it is being reported that the for the first time illegal immigrates are getting health care, but are all citizens and residents of California getting the same health care?

    So in break a commandment here and there are some putting them self’s before God and breaking another commandment. So are politics and some religious leaders asking Christians to enable some to break the commandments of God. Because when we enable God’s commandments to be broken don’t we become as guilty as the one’s breaking the commandments, these are question we should ask our self’s.

    Christ did say the there would be troubled days to come, He did not say flee the place of your troubles, He says I will be with you where your troubles are. How can Christ raise up saints if everyone keeps fleeing, to a land of safety, so they think, isn’t there violence, poverty and hunger in the U.S.A.. So what are they really fleeing to, a place not to far off from the place they just left.

    This immigration mess is also taking our eyes off other issues, like how California’s board of Education wants to start teaching children some real whacky stuff in sex education, which should be real worrisome for all because it could happen in all states. People ask why God is going to judge us in fire.

    This is why I stay out of Politics, it is a freaking mess.

    I do care for people don’t get me wrong, but following God and His commandments is the best advice I can give to anyone.

    Christ said “if you can’t be faithful in the least, how are you going to be faithful in the greater.”

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  9. Beloved says:

    Chris I’ve been thinking about how scary it must be when chaos breaks out amongst criminals. God bless you and strengthen you daily, I thank Him for being among the poor and needy. Even to deliver devotional materials to each cell!!! That’s awesome!

  10. foreverblessed says:

    In my Fathers house are many mansions, if that were not so, I would have told you.

    This knowing that there is enough for everybody!
    Always.
    And especially christians should have that assurance.
    That if there would not be enough food for everybody to eat, God would do a miracle again, with the boy with a few fishes and some bread!
    If there would be enough faith among the christians.

    Only a boy have away his food, there must have been more people with food, but they kept it to themselves.

    Politics is how you organise a group of people.

    Jesus showed us how He did it, not of the world, but in the world.
    Sharing, caring, healing, preaching….
    Being quiet when spit upon.
    Saying no word when unjustly accused.
    Not throwing down the Antonius fortres, where the Romans were, but instead going to the Temple, andere cleaning it:
    My house should be a house of prayer, not a den of thieves.

    That house is my heart!
    Jesus is concerned that my heart is made clean, and being more and more like He is:

    Having room for anybody He sends to me!

    I was thinking, all these people that came out of Syria, let them meet Christ here, in the Christiana.

    Well, I’ll stop here!

    I could go on and on about what Jesus said and did.
    His politics.

    Jesus said: if they take advantage of you, give them some more…

    If you are a christian, Jesus Word is your Light, that shines on your path, and shows you the way to go.

    And being afraid of somebody taking advantage of you is not the way.
    Unless you are a young Christian, new in Christ, and you don’t know yet how well Jesus takes care of you, ife that is the case, you may cry your heart out with Jesus, how unfair this world is.

    But take heart, Jesus is stronger than the world!

  11. foreverblessed says:

    Oh yes, Chris, and the inmates, may God bless you alle!
    Having our eyes on Jesus, He is stronger than whatever violence there is.
    May God strengthen you, I pray that with Beloved!

  12. jeff1 says:

    I have a much clearer view of the world when I am not allowing others to distort it and I see people in a very different light when I see them as they are and not from a political or religious viewpoint.

    In God’s realm no man is yellow, black or white nor is God looking at a person’s religion but rather how they conduct themselves and with that in mind I should be more considerate of my own behaviour when journeying through this world as I have found that it is so very much easier to see the speck in another’s eye and miss the plank in my own.

  13. jeff1 says:

    What I call my ‘self’ now is hardly a person at all. It’s mainly a meeting place for various natural forces, desires, and fears, etcetera, some of which come from my ancestors, and some from my education, some perhaps from devils. The self you were really intended to be is something that lives not from nature but from God.

    C. S. Lewis

  14. Beloved says:

    Viv I am “pain”-fully going through Calvin’s Institutes and he agreed with Lewis or rather Lewis agreed with him that the human nature is so broken- even the virtuous parts- that we do need a completely new nature, one only God in who’s image we were created can give us. Yet I recall that we won’t be completely changed until we see Him face to face. This has nothing to do with politics just the reality of a believer.

  15. bratimus says:

    John 15:10

  16. poohpity says:

    What are the commandments of Jesus? John 15:12,17

    “We All Bleed The Same”

    We all bleed the same
    We’re more beautiful when we come together
    We all bleed the same
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided

    Woke up today
    Another headline
    Another innocent life is taken
    In the name of hatred
    So hard to take (hey!)
    And if we think that it’s all good
    Then we’re mistaken
    ‘Cause my heart is breaking (tell it, ‘Dis)

    Are you left?
    Are you right?
    Pointing fingers, taking sides
    When are we gonna realize?

    We all bleed the same
    We’re more beautiful when we come together
    We all bleed the same
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided
    If we’re gonna fight
    Let’s fight for each other
    If we’re gonna shout
    Let love be the cry
    We all bleed the same
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided

    Tell me, who are we
    To judge someone
    By the kind of clothes they’re wearing
    Or the color of their skin?

    Are you black? (black)
    Are you white? (white)
    Aren’t we all the same inside? (the same inside)
    Father, open our eyes to see!

    We all bleed the same (we all bleed the same)
    We’re more beautiful when we come together
    We all bleed the same (we all bleed the same)
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided
    If we’re gonna fight
    Let’s fight for each other (fight for each other!)
    If we’re gonna shout
    Let love be the cry (be the cry!)
    We all bleed the same (we all bleed the same)
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided

    Only love can drive out all the darkness
    What are we fighting for?
    We were made to carry one another
    We were made for more, said
    Only love can drive out all the darkness
    What are we fighting for? yeah
    We were made to carry one another
    We were made for more!

    We all bleed the same (we all bleed the same)
    We’re more beautiful when we come together (let’s stand united!)
    We all bleed the same (we all bleed the same)
    So tell me why, tell me why
    We’re divided
    If we’re gonna fight
    Let’s fight for each other (fight for each other!)
    If we’re gonna shout
    Let love be the cry (be the cry!)
    We all bleed the same(we all bleed the same) (bleed the same)
    Let’s stand united (let’s stand united)
    Let’s stand united!

    So Father God, I pray
    That our families will come together right now
    And seek Your face
    You will forgive our sins
    And You will heal our incredible land
    In the name of the only Savior, Jesus Christ
    Amen

  17. jeff1 says:

    I have returned to the God of my childhood,
    to the same simple faith as a child I once knew.
    Like a prodigal son I’ve longed for my loved ones.
    For the comforts of home and the God I outgrew.

    I have returned to the God of my childhood,
    Bethlehem’s Babe,
    the prophet’s Messiah.
    He’s Jesus to me,
    eternal Deity!
    Praise His name,
    I have returned.

    I have returned to the God of my father,
    the most God-like man a child could know.
    Oh I just heard a shout from the angels in glory,
    praising the Lord a child has come home.

    I have returned to the God of my father,
    creator of heaven and earth,
    God of the universe.
    He’s Jesus to me,
    eternal Deity.
    Praise His name,
    I have returned.

    I have returned to the Yahweh of Judah,
    on my knees I did fall
    where the wall now stands.
    This lesson I’ve learned as I’ve worked my way homeward,
    the Saviour of all is the comfort to man.

    I have returned to the Father of Abraham,
    The shepherd of Moses,
    who called Him the great I am.
    He’s Jesus to me,
    eternal Deity.
    Praise His name,
    I have returned.

    I have returned to the God of my father,
    creator of heaven and earth, God of the universe.
    He’s Jesus to me,
    eternal Deity.
    Praise His name,
    I have returned.

    I have returned!

  18. SFDBWV says:

    I like this subject mostly because if you are honest (no, everyone isn’t) this is where (as we say here in America) the rubber meets the road.

    In your entire Christian experience have any of you prayed for money? I have and I bet most all of you have too.

    So at that place in your Christianity where was your “faith”? Money solved all the problems you had at the time. If you just had enough to pay off your bills or buy that thing you believed you needed, life would be good.

    In truth we have all heard preachers tell you how to become financially rich. Almost as rich as they are as they brag of fleets of automobiles and even private airplanes.

    The Scripture used tells us to first give to God what is His and He will fill our storehouses to overflowing. Even going so far as to tell us to put God to the test and see for ourselves.

    It took me quite a long time to pay tithes first on all my income and to see that the Scripture was right. But I also learned that this Scripture can be more than money.

    To give whatever you have to give is just as important and just as successful in returning to you, full, tamped down and overflowing.

    Give love, give time, give compassion and you will receive in kind.

    Along the way as you quit worrying about money you suddenly discover that God has taken care of all your needs and even provided for all you give away.

    And in the politics of life you will also discover that your one vote isn’t as powerful as that one choice you make to believe God and to share Jesus in all of your decisions and actions.

    Why do “despots” fear God? Because they are “despots”.

    58 and clear this morning.

    Steve

  19. jeff1 says:

    If I don’t trust politics today it is because I have good reason not to.

    This country has suffered at the hands of unscrupulous ones and that is not directed at one side or another because both sides have caused disgrace to their profession.

    When my mum tried to talk politics to my dad he didn’t want to know and now I know why because he had the measure of them and his words at the time reflected that.

    His insight was God driven and not man given and he knew that which is why he was steadfast in his stance.

  20. bratimus says:

    To be completely honest I don’t know if I prayer just for money. I have been praying all my life even back to some my first earliest memories from childhood. I’m not sure what age I was, I came to the point where I wasn’t looking to be rich as man sees it. Have prayed for certain fininacal situation to be resolved if I couldn’t see a way out. The more you have, the more they can and try to take, someone told me that once.

    Pretty much every thing that man has set up is a trap, but mostly for the setters.

    I had to look up the word “despot” don’t remember ever hearing it before.

    In the End The Heavenly Fathers Will,will prevail and I just HOPE I’m on the right side of God’s Grace, because the wrong side is God’s wrath!!!

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  21. poohpity says:

    Bratimus, I had to look it up too. I wouldn’t think they had any fear of God or they would not be “despots”. Just saying. Didn’t the Lord ask us to pray for our needs and doesn’t that include money as well.

    ODB today talks about money taking first place in our lives and it being more important than anything else so therefore taking God’s place in our hearts as any other idol may do. Some people will do anything to get it and keep it. I think that is the reason we tithe because as with everything else we put God first which is shown by our use of the money we been blessed with knowing the source.

  22. poohpity says:

    A commentary on the book of Galatians from Eugene Peterson; “When men and women get their hands on religion one of the first things they do is turn it into an instrument for controlling others either putting or keeping them in their place.”

    Which seems to fit both politics as well as religion both groups of people want to control others compared to the politics of Jesus and Paul where people are free to accept the love of God or turn away from it but it does not stop His love, God gives it away no one has to earn it just receive it, unforced and freely.

  23. bratimus says:

    I really don’t mind people trying to control me, there is a warning that goes with that “Do it right, in the right way.”

    I know of those preachers of the prosperity, they confused prosperous with money over prosperous with the Light of Christ. and since they made themselves first they will probably end up being last. Truthfully I don’t see much or hear much about them anymore.

    Praying to God for your needs isn’t always about money. In the “world” we live into today it does revolve around money, that isn’t the way God wanted it to be, that is all man’s doing.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  24. SFDBWV says:

    The way to control people is by controlling the information they receive and by economically making you dependent on them for even something to eat.

    Reference to the Book of Revelation where during the “Great Tribulation” people won’t be able to get a job nor buy food or anything else without the “Mark of the Beast”.

    How many people do you think will be able not to take the mark and let their children or those they love starve to death?

    Today we have instant information via of the social media, but then there is a great deal of “misinformation” generated by the mindset of the mob mentality.

    As this world gets darker and darker we need to get closer and closer to Jesus and hold tight to what we already know.

    Yes, to stand fast on the Rock of our salvation.

    I find it insulting that Bill Clinton remains to be popular among the “liberal” voter. A man who abused women, his authority, lied face to face on camera to the American people and has the nick name of being “Slick Willie”.

    But then his campaign against a decent honorable man stated “It’s the economy stupid.”

    And yes the voting public will always vote according to their pocket book.

    Control the news and you will control what people know and think. Have a problem, divert it away with a contrived emergency. The emergency will quickly cover over whatever events you want hidden.

    How do we keep people honest? By having a standard of living that aligns with what God gave to mankind as to what is living a holy life and what is sin.

    Today they want to blur the two together so that people can’t tell the difference.

    It is a dark dangerous world we live in today and once again our only hope lay in Jesus of Nazareth the Christ, what He taught, warned us of and promised us.

    I hope all of you today are filled with His Spirit and can see clearly the path ahead, blessing all as you go about your day.

    Steve

  25. bratimus says:

    Let me say this, “In a dream I had I told someone that I couldn’t help them, because they didn’t tell me the whole truth.”

    This is the Holy Spirit telling me that I(or the Holy Spirit through me.) can’t help people if I only get part of the truth, half truths are still a lie, trying to use codes gets things all jumbled up. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit work in truths.

    I have know for a long time that the truth is hard to find in this dark and dishonest world. I try my best to walk in the truth and that is all I can do.

    My big mission for God is to walk in faith, and just pray and worship and praise Him. If I happen to help someone through God’s word, that just extra credit. This is the way God wants me to live, and try not to worry about what is or isn’t going on, because information is very lacking.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  26. bratimus says:

    I do say read James to Revelation 4, and in writing this God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are telling me the rest of Revelation are not for you to worry about, you have enough on your mind walking in faith, praying, worshiping and praising God the Heavenly Father. WE will deal with the rest of Revelation.

    Seriously which system that man has set up will be the the mark of the beast, so many you could go crazy trying to figure it out.

    So I’ll love and fear God and have faith He will look out for me.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  27. bratimus says:

    Matthew 24:3-14

  28. street says:

    pride power and sport

    Nika Riot 532 AD – Istanbul

    an interesting study of politics sport and religion. any way some articles don’t mention some of the clubs selling out rival clubs for money. eventually putting and end to the sport. yet the politics continued. all spectators of a spectacle unfolding before our eyes.

    “Full of Sound and Fury; Signifying Nothing” save for the Resurrection of Jesus.

  29. poohpity says:

    bratimus, Matthew is not between James and Revelation 4?

  30. jeff1 says:

    My mum once told me that money was the root of all evil and so that thought has stuck in my mind especially since politicians have been up to all sorts behind the peoples backs and then expecting that we vote for them and trust them as if we have nothing between our ears.

    Power and money are evils of this world and why its best to stay clear of both other than what we need to pay our dues and live.

    I think of the very poor countries where people live simpler and they do not seem to be any less happier than those who are rich which tells us that a desire for wealth is an unhealthy one.

    Parents who give their love and their time to their children have enriched their lives more than those who over indulge theirs with money or material goods.

    Their is an emphasis on ‘entitled’ these days as many seem to think the world owes them but I was brought up with a work ethic and I needed to put in if I wanted to take out and the emphasis was to be a diligent worker.

    I am not sure that there is the same work ethic that there was when I was young and that has not done society any favours.

  31. bratimus says:

    Didn’t say it was sometimes I post a passage
    I just read. See right now today I’m reading Genesis 12, Matthew, 2 Peter and 1 John and sometime I’ll pop into Psalms and Proverbs at any give time or moment. I pretty much read the Bible in a year or lest every year on my own

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  32. Beloved says:

    God answered my prayer for fellowship by bringing a Mormon lady who is also lonely and looking for a friend. She lives in my building and is quite spiritual but not Jesus centric, so should be interesting as God uses me to show her the Way. He always answers, just glad I’m not moving! Thank you for praying with me.

  33. poohpity says:

    Beloved that would be nice but often it is the other way around she will bring you in to her beliefs. I think that was why John gave us this warning; 2 John 1:9-10

    bratimus, wouldn’t it then be wiser to say not to just concentrate on James through Revelations 4 but the whole New Testament? Just a thought. It is exciting to hear you go through the whole bible every year, that is not the norm for 81% of professing Christians so you fall into the 19%.

  34. poohpity says:

    As Mart said, “it does matter who rules– and how, who stands with or against them– and how— at whose expense– and how much.” Who and what we fill our minds with is how we will have a renewal and transformation of our minds and hearts. Rom 12:2

  35. Beloved says:

    The Spirit of Christ will tell me when He’s done with her.

  36. Beloved says:

    Please do not address me and please leave Bratimus alone also, please. I hate posting or reading much on here anymore.

  37. bubbles says:

    We lost another student today at my little school. Please pray for this dear mother who has now lost two children in two years. I cannot imagine her heartbreak. Very sad day.

  38. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, Bubbles, that is sad news! I pray with you, for the mother, and for you, and all those involved!

    Beloved, I pray for that Mormon woman too!

    May God bless you, and bless her.

    Do you remember I posted some time ago, about a mormon young man who accepted Christ, by conversing with a Baptist preacher who just had asked him to read the New Testament.

    “Ex Mormon gives most incredible Testimony EVER- will give youu chills.”

    By reading in the Gosples, he slowly began to see who Jesus really was.

    Seeing that movie on youtube, indeed gave me tears in my eyes.

    Much prayer is needed, as the revelation of Who Christ is, is a miracle.

    Christians can pray, should pray, with a lot of faith, and trust in Jesus, Trust;

    As with God all things are possible!

  39. foreverblessed says:

    There is now a whole new ministry starting up, from christian communities who are bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ into Utah. The Holy Spirit is leading! For the HS knows how to address these people. God dearly loves them, and wants to draw them to His heart.

    We are praying, and waiting for the urge of the HolySpirit. And mostly we talk too soon, and saying christian things that these people are not yet ready to receive. Instead of waiting for the clear instruction of ther Holy Spirit, we just start talking.

    It reminds me of the book written by Norman Grubb:

    Rees Howells intercessor

    The Holy Spirit led him to accompany an alcoholic, and the Spirit told him: Do not preach at him, just be a companion to him, and walk alongside him. That is what he did, I believe for more than two years.

    God is saying that we love people!

    Love them

  40. foreverblessed says:

    “Plow the ground”

    That is a word I received some time ago, (I have written about this here before)

    And I was wondering what God meant with that. With an eager mind I was looking when the answer would coem, as I do have the experience, that the Holy Spirit it not rushing, and takes more time than I as a human would take.

    And I waited to hear the answer. That came a long time:

    Plowing the ground: With love appraoching people who God sends on my way, and with love accompanying them.

    Loving them, and praying for them, walking alongside them.

    The Holy Spirit has to touch their hearts, and it is more often done by the way we handle in the small matters of life that make a deep impression on them, then our words that we decide in our own human mind to speak, wordsout of the bible nonetheless, however:the Spirit did not want to use yet,

    because the “ground had to be plowed first”

    The ministry that addresses the Mormons is also very very delicate, as they will shut out any other thinking quite easily.

    So I pray that you stay very very close to the nudge of the Holy Spirit, and in the mean time, just accompany her.

    The parable of the Sower, is also an instruction for the disciples!

    Matthew 13:1-23

    Work on the soil first, before you sow the seeds.

    It is a very common sense thing in the natural world, if you have a vegetable garden, you work the ground first before you sow the seeds. You make a path,by stamping on the ground hard that where you walk, the ground is hard, because you walk on it, and it is pressed down, there you do not throw your seed.

    Where you have sowed the seeds, we call it a “seed-bed”, there you keep the ground loosened, and water it, and take out the weeds before they grow big, (and the roots of the plants have intertwined with your plants,) So when I would weed, the first thing you do is take out the weeds close to the plants, around the stem, the ones growing afar off, can stay there a little longer.

    So many things to learn out of the physical world, as how to work in the Gospel.

    (As with the weeds in The field of wheat, there you do not go through and take out the weeds, so you let them grow. So there comes another wise word from Jesus: Leave them.) Matthew 13:24-30

    It’s all about, how well we listen to the guiding of the Holy Spirit. Do we hear Him?

    Do we come to rest, and let all the other voices be quiet, and be still before the Lord?

  41. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 46:10
    Be still, and know that I am God
    . ..I will be exalted among the nations
    .. .I will be exalted in the earth

  42. jeff1 says:

    It’s God who chooses to live among us and bring His Kingdom to earth and in a world like this one that almost seems impossible from where I am standing.

    I have a limited view which can sometimes feel like God is no where to be seen and yet when I seek Him I find that He hasn’t gone very far and so it is my blindness in not seeing Him.

    Having been born and bred in Northern Ireland has opened my eyes to seeing that I can be easily side tracked into following political and religious leaders who an be convincing in assuring me that they have the country and my interests at heart.

    My dad never did listen to leaders because he was always focused on God leading him and why perhaps I now see a man who knew where his loyalties lay.

  43. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Foreverblessed the politics of Jesus is always going to be love, which makes some of us wonder about the severity of the Book of Revelation.

    “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.”

    I have family members in Utah who are Mormon and a friend who lives close by. My friend Larry was a Mormon when I first met him we became immediate friends and over time he began once again attending a Baptist church.

    However after losing contact with him for a while when we reconnected he was back to the Mormon Church.

    He has always had a problem with money, which is not having enough. The attractiveness of the Mormon Church for him is their “welfare system”. If you meet their criteria for being in need they will help pay your bills until you get back on your feet.

    I have always tried not to bash any of the many Christian denominations as in basics they all call Jesus Lord. It may be their doctrine I have some issues with, but never the individual who believes in and acknowledges Jesus as the Son of God, born of the Virgin, died for the sins of man, resurrected by His own power from death and in fact is God.

    I find the statue Mart has provided quite appropriate as the politics of man has many faces and sad to say man has brought that same politics into the worship of God.

    Bubbles shows her heart as she grieves for her students. Life is a hard cruel taskmaster and in truth the only comfort any of us can find is found in Jesus. Not in any of the things man has contrived to hide his pain or mask his failures.

    Prayers for bubbles and the people she has brought to our attention.

    Steve

  44. jeff1 says:

    Politics and religions are too much part of the problem as it is when people put them before God that they are setting themselves against God or that is how my dad seen it and I have no reason to doubt that he was wrong as he knew God better than I did.

    As far as my dad was concerned he was either serving God or man and he had no doubts about whose side he was on.

    While others would proclaim, God is on my side, my dad would proclaim it for me to be on God’s side.

    My dad believed to do God’s will meant to obey His ways and he dismissed the belief that God took sides and why he never embraced either catholicism, protestantism or any religion that distracted him from this truth.

  45. bratimus says:

    Beloved if you made a new friend awesome, when Jesus walk on Earth He ate and sat with sinners and tax collectors. It is always good to make a friend. Loneliness can lead to despair, just remember to hold on to your faith. I would also say that grand kids can always use a grandmother. I’m just a crazy uncle, I do miss my grandmother here and there. I do appreciate you trying to protect, but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have my back, some just don’t understand what I’m trying to say or I don’t make it clear enough in what I write.

    Steve as always brings up good points. Statues have always kind of freaked-creepied me out. I do like paintings of landscapes and pictures. But statues no sir maybe it has something to do with this Exodus 20:4

    In Christ Name

  46. bratimus says:

    Matthew 24:32-35

    And continue read on in the Gospels, the Gospels of the Bible are the best.

    Now in Genesis 13 also

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  47. poohpity says:

    Viv, that last paragraph is so true.

    If deception were easy to spot it would then not be deception and any religion that gives people a list of things to do to gain God’s favor or earn their way to heaven does not know the gospel of Jesus. The Gospel of grace and Mormonism is one such beast that even leads people to believe they can even become a god.

    Often even believing that we have anything to do with plowing the ground or removing the weeds does not know that those areas are better left in the hands of God not us. In Matt the ground spoken of is a person’s heart in Jesus’ parable and how it receives Jesus into it and whether it is a lasting relationship or a passing one. God is the Gardener.

    I happen to believe what is taught in scripture even if I do not know the reasoning behind some of it but so far it has never lead me astray after following it, not perfectly but with grace. Yes and some of it can sound harsh but I know there are reasons behind the warnings. We can either take heed or ignore the warnings thinking we know better than God but so far in my life experience I have found that I do not know better than God not even a little tiny bit.

    If one is not grounded in their belief they can and will fall prey to all kinds of deceptions. Although Mormon’s call themselves Christian there can be nothing further from the truth than that, they follow the teaching of Joseph Smith, but to try to persuade people into their web they use that to describe themselves. BUT first one has to know the real thing to be able to identify that which is false and not many do. That is why Paul and others spent so much time teaching the early church about the way they can be infiltrated and be caught off guard by deceivers.

  48. poohpity says:

    It is really a good thing to befriend anyone and act neighborly to everyone no matter if they are anything we may turn our noses up at as forever says like an alcoholic BUT to befriend with the hopes of proselytizing seems a bit contrary to what a friend or neighbor actually does or is.

  49. poohpity says:

    We love and do good to even the least of these because of who we are in Christ and Christ in us. Just as bratimus said Jesus spent His time with sinners and as did Paul when he admitted that he was the chief of sinners which should be the admission of us all.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    “maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.”

    Mart is giving advice, as to what to do when there are differnces.

    I would like to give an example of differences:

    Our country is involved with Russia, with the flight MH17, that was shot our of air on 10 km hight (about 6 miles high), on July 17, 2014, 5 years ago tomorrow. So in our news this is a big thing now.

    193 dutch have died, and one family lived in my town. It was bizarre, to cylce in the street, and see the empty house. (I cycle a lot here). A family goes on vacation to Indonisia, Bali, and they never come back. It took a year before the whole family was buried, or what remains came out of Oekrain.

    Already a few days after the accident, the Russians gave a press conference: The Oekrainian had done it, the plain was shot by an Oekrain airplane.

    Now today, I am reading my newspaper, and there is an aritcle of a russian aviation-expert (aeronotics)

    And to my suprise this man has openly stated that the report was false.

    To me, this man did not keep his mouth shut, He did not stay out of the “differences” of insight.

    As the Russians make it look by expert reports, and scientific trained people, to show that the plain was shot by the Oekranians.

    To us, as dutch people, it was obvious that this was not true. We had heard recordings of soldiers in East Ukrain, on the day of the accident, talking about the shock they had, that civilians were falling out of the sky. These soldiers had no intention to shoot a civilian aircraft, they thought they had hit a military plane from the Oekrain. But that message was deleted, and never heard again.

    Anyway, what the Russians did after that was telling lies upon lies. Making it look that the military of Ukrain had done it.

    But this man, a russian himself, working in aeronotics, did openly say that it was a report full of lies.

    They turned and twisted data, until it looked that it came from the Ukraine.

    He lost his job, he cannot work anywhere in Russia, nobody wants to jhire him. He lives from occasional writings and giving speeches. He is hungry he says, but alive and free. He finds it important that the russian people hear a sound that is not controled by the Government. A free press is important.

  51. poohpity says:

    Oh Beloved maybe after your response and feeling towards me you can see why I turned down your offer on facebook.

  52. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    Pray all is well in your lives. I haven’t been able to blog with yall because I couldn’t log on to the BTA blog. I kept getting a “bad gateway” message. So, before I read and comment on the new post, I want to share something with jeff1 from the previous post. Viv, you shared a song or poem on 7-10-19 (I’ll share a portion of it here…); I’ve never heard it, but it brought to mind a *beautiful* song that I love. Don’t know when I first heard it, but it has the same title as your song or poem…

    jeff1 says:
    July 10, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    “In Christ Alone”

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save
    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live, I live…”

    Here’s the words to the *beautiful* song that I first heard maybe 6 or 7 years ago…

    “In Christ Alone” (Brian Littrell)

    In Christ alone will I glory
    Though I could pride myself in battles won
    For I’ve been blessed beyond measure
    And by His strength alone, I overcome

    Oh, I could stop and count successes
    Like diamonds in my hands
    But those trophies could not equal
    To the grace by which I stand

    In Christ alone, I place my trust
    And find my glory in the power of the Cross
    In every victory, let it be said of me
    My source of strength, my source of hope…

    In Christ alone do I glory
    For only by His grace I am redeemed
    For only His tender mercy
    Could reach beyond my weakness to my need

    And now I seek no greater honor
    Than just to know Him more
    And to count my gains but losses
    To the glory of my Lord

    In Christ alone, I place my trust
    And find my glory in the power of the Cross
    In every victory, let it be said of me
    My source of strength, my source of hope…

    In Christ alone, I place my trust
    And find my glory in the power of the Cross
    In every victory, let it be said of me
    My source of strength, my source of hope is Christ alone
    Is Christ alone…

    83 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  53. Beloved says:

    Forever we have the same Holy Spirit and yes I too know about their “welfare” system that keeps needy people in bondage but she and I are guided by such different spirits! It is good to hear God is moving amongst them in Utah that’s very encouraging as they are as I know averse to Jesus being God as are Jehovahs Witnesses whom God used me to share Jesus is God when I was a new believer and didn’t even know the Bible at all. They were told not to come to my house after that! So, will see how long this “friendship” lasts but I’m all in. To be a friend of the world means emnity with Christ. Oh I wish all here were guided by the Holy Spirit but without a tempter we would not turn to God for help! So it is in the world we live in now. Looking forward to Glory but Jesus is still calling His little ones so will be part of His army until. Until He returns. Many will be snatched from the fire of hell still. I was when I was 30. Thank you all for your brotherly/sisterly support and prayers. We keep loving even those who reject it, per Gods command. God bless you all who have the vision.

  54. foreverblessed says:

    When the Holy Spirit guides you to do this, then it is under God’s control, isn’t it.
    God was saying to Rees Howells, walk alongside the man. Walking alongside is different from being a friend. But being friendly is alright. I walk alongside many eople here in my town, who are not christian. And I pray about them, because I know that the Holy Spirit is in control.
    But The Holy Spirit uses us, when He sees fit to do so.
    Yesterday I had a long talk with a “friend”, on christianity.
    And I even explained to her, what a local priest who I had met, had told me
    “What the essence of the christian faith was”
    I asked her; Do you want to hear what this man said to me? Because it is quite christian.
    (And I know that she is very apprehensive about the Roman Cathlic church, and the protestants as well)
    She answered: Yes, tell me, I can handle that.

    So, while shooting a real short prayer to heaven, “God. give me words, your words”
    And then I started to tell her the essence of chrisitanity.

    Please pray for this lady, if you get a prayer, please do so
    It is all in God’s control, we can do nothing in the spririt realm, God is doing that.
    But He awaits for our prayers.

    I pray for the lady you met.
    GOd is with her, He loves her to bits. I know that, God also loved me, when I was in that @%& church. God is looking for a time to touch a heart. He knows when to use words, but mostly we have to pray.
    That sure is so,
    while believing in the omnipotence of God,
    great Trust in Him

    Praying
    Intercessors
    Plowing the ground that is, together with God, the Holy Spirit

  55. street says:

    The Politics of Jesus and Paul

    politics and religion

    moses at the burning bush

    God asked moses one question that got me lol this am.

    it was not a question that need a verbal reply…..still lol.

    the question was, “Who made your mouth?” i am lol because of the humor of the situation. you say how?

    moses is seeing a visible manifestation of the invisible God, the only thing separating him from death is a bush and God Grace.

    with all this said he is thinking of himself…in the presents of God….if it not funny it is down right sinful. God is indeed merciful.

    politics and religion are messed up because we start from ourselves and not God….no wonder we are told to guard our heart in Christ Jesus.

    mostly waiting and watching living by faith

    waiting and watching for God…praying when focus and light are scares or blurred. persevering in the dark times. know God will not withhold any good thing from His Children. the greatest darkness job faced was the thought that sin separated him from God, Salvation.

  56. jeff1 says:

    So unless whatever book, teacher, God or gods we use for our spirituality can transform our approach to religion and politics into something good for one another—in our differences— maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.

    I do try to avoid approaching either subject these days as I was in my younger days opinionated on both and that didn’t turn out very well so it’s once bitten, twice shy so to speak.

    I am learning to trust God more and I find I am happier for it because I was only miserable when I was getting into heated arguments over something that I discovered I knew very little about as if I did not live in Northern Ireland I would have no desire to know politics or religion.

    I don’t go to church for any other reason than to worship God and I expect catholics do likewise and when I keep it that simple I find I have no desire to argue with anyone.

  57. poohpity says:

    The politics of Jesus and Paul is concern for the condition of the heart and mind not politics as we know them or religion that misses the mark or bank accounts.

    “How He Loves”
    (originally by John Mark McMillan)

    And He is jealous for me.
    Love’s like a hurricane. I am a tree,
    Bending beneath the weight of His wind and mercy.

    When all of a sudden,
    I am unaware of these afflictions eclipsed by glory.
    And I realize just how beautiful You are,
    And how great Your affections are for me.

    And, oh, how He loves us, oh.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    How He loves us, oh.

    And He is jealous for me.
    Love’s like a hurricane. I am a tree,
    Bending beneath the weight of His wind and mercy.

    When all of a sudden,
    I am unaware of these afflictions eclipsed by glory.
    And I realize just how beautiful You are,
    And how great Your affections are for me.

    And, oh, how He loves us, oh.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    How He loves us, oh.

    Yeah, He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves.

    And we are His portion and He is our prize,
    Drawn to redemption by the grace in His eyes.
    If His grace is an ocean, we’re all sinking.

    And Heaven meets earth like an unforeseen kiss.
    And my heart turns violently inside of my chest.
    I don’t have time to maintain these regrets,
    When I think about the way…

    That He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves.

    Yeah, He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves.

    Yeah, He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves us.
    Oh, how He loves.

  58. Beloved says:

    We really are dull of hearing sometimes. Many times Jesus said things in scripture that made me laugh, especially when talking to the disciples. Oh how He condescends to us in our littleness.

  59. street says:

    Titus 1:15
    To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.

    God sees His Children as Holy….nothing is hidden from His Eyes. reconciled

  60. poohpity says:

    It is a cool 112 degrees here right now in the valley of the sun.

    Good verse to show what comes from minds that are defiled and only think the worst.

  61. street says:

    New hearts new minds…redeemed. PC in shop using iPad. Where did all these caps come from….apple tree.

  62. Beloved says:

    But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:32

  63. SFDBWV says:

    In the idea that we should avoid the subjects of religion and politics in polite and good natured company we wear a mask and put on a pretense instead of our real self to another.

    If simply talking to a stranger in line at the store or in passing, a simple smile, hello, or good day is enough, but if you are going to develop a relationship with another person you cannot hide the real you for very long.

    Religion and politics are emotional issues and if you think you need to avoid such subjects from each other then how do you share Christ? In today’s world simply being vocal a Christian almost immediately labels you as a conservative or even as a Republican.

    Though I do have a friend who has a bumper sticker on her car identifying her as a “Christian Democrat”.

    Unfortunately our faith as well as our politics identifies us. I don’t think we can successfully hide either for very long. The problem may be that we need to learn to let each one of us be who we are without insisting they become as we are in order to be loved.

    Steve

  64. SFDBWV says:

    Typo error…”Simply being a vocal Christian” is what was intended. Instead of “simply being vocal a Christian”
    Sorry if I confused anyone.

    Steve

  65. jeff1 says:

    Steve, if the alternative is to be at each others throats then I would rather wear the mask but then I have lived through a political and religious war and seen the consequences.

    My son says the same as you that I am hiding my culture but it was that culture that led me to false beliefs and hope so as I see it I am nearer God for not allowing it to influence my thinking anymore.

    Most right thinking protestant and catholics worship God in their churches and that’s the best we can hope for in a society so divided.

    Extremists will try to fill peoples heads to suit their needs and demands and some people are vulnerable to them but God knows the challenges we face.

    I think we share Christ in our churches here rather than publicly because of the tension in the country though there are still street preachers but I never see too many standing listening.

    My dad was not politically motivated and indeed I would say he had little time for them because he seen what they where doing and wasn’t fooled by them.

    He voted as he seen fit but he was not led by the nose when it came to believing that politicians or religious leaders had his interest at heart as he only believed that it was God who had that and so he never let beliefs get in the way of his relationship with God.

    While most here would claim God was on their side my dad would proclaim it was for him to be on God’s side.

    He didn’t just talk the talk without doing the walk as I seen him with two other men rescuing a drunk man from the front of a police station while rioters where firing petrol bombs and bricks at it.

    He put God first, others second and himself last and that is what Jesus did when he was on this earth and so I think he did a very good job at being on God’s side.

    C. S. Lewis is right we often act as if God does nothing else but exist but He sees our challenges and understands our struggles and when I keep that in mind then I can face those challenges more courageously.

  66. poohpity says:

    Definition: Politics refers to a set of activities associated with the governance of a country, or an area. It involves making decisions that apply to members of a group. It refers to achieving and exercising positions of governance—organized control over a human community, particularly a state.

    When we vote we are placing our needs in the hands of someone we think will look out for our good and the good of our communities but sadly people vote on the party rather than on the life experiences of the person. Hardly anyone does any background research on candidates or what they have accomplished in their lives to see whether they would make a good representative of the people but solely base their vote on the letter by their name. The same is almost true for the Lord people say they follow Him but spend no time in getting to know Him which often leads to one not trusting or depending on Him. They put more faith in politicians and the government then they do in the Lord.

    Jesus told us that His government is not of this world that this is the domain of the evil one and the only protection from him is found in Christ. Who sets us free from the darkness? The domain of Christ is in our hearts, minds and souls which is what guides us to live this life here doing good and giving out grace, love and mercy to make it a better place to live here while attached to this flesh looking forward with hope of shedding this tent for a resurrected body one day.

    In the meantime we have to contend with anyone and any thing that would take our minds and hearts away from God. The devil just doing his job to tempt us to rebel against God, to question God’s goodness and to make us think we have to earn the love of God.

  67. poohpity says:

    Sitting in a church listening to a sermon does not make anyone a Christian it is what happens the other 6 days of the week that shows who we belong to.

    I could stand in the garage making the sounds a motor makes but it does not make me a car.

  68. street says:

    thinking of the terms democrat and republican
    democrat rule of people or majority the crowd is rarely right. republicans the rule of law, we know how that turns out. therefor a Savior, Christ the Lord. the government share rest on His Shoulders.

    thinking of the certificate of divorce God issued to israel. you think they will get back together again? not before jacobs trouble. thinking of the woman at the well the man you are living with now is not your husband or gomer living a long time with her husband but not has husband and wife. if not for your grace and mercy we would have become like sodom and gomorrah.

  69. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 17, 2019 at 7:02 am

    In the meantime we have to contend with anyone and any thing that would take our minds and hearts away from God. The devil just doing his job to tempt us to rebel against God, to question God’s goodness and to make us think we have to earn the love of God.

    I agree sitting in a church does not make anyone a christian as there is much more to it than that but a sermon can resolve and strengthen or rebuke me and so if I go to church for the right purpose I should benefit from it.

    It is how I am strengthened to contend with the devils attacks by gathering in church and participating in the Holy Communion where we share in the body and blood of Christ.

    For myself, church is a haven where I can get away from the devils influence and I don’t know too many places I can do that.

  70. bratimus says:

    Here is the problem with having conversations about politics and religion, the conversation will turn into a debate or a game of wits. Both conversation are filled with half truths and deceptions. I try very hard to stay away from those, people get angry when I shy away from. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit don’t want me in those conversations, why you ask because The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not in conversation of half truths and deception.

    If someone wants I talk about Living through Christ, they way God intended I’m all for that. But be for warned be honest and not decietful, The Heavenly Father is starting to get very angry.

    The way I look at it I force my life style on no one, so no one should force there life style on me. I live by the 10 commandments of God, the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And if man can’t uphold and enforce the latter 2, I’m sure God will. And in following the 10 Commandment of God I should not break any laws of man. This is about as political and religious as I get, not a very long conversation is it.

    My job on Earth is to pray and worship God while walking in faith through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  71. jeff1 says:

    There is a lot to be said for ‘live and let live’. It is up to God how He deals with people and I should be more concerned with keeping my own behaviour right than trying to convince others that there’s is wrong.

    I have trouble enough keeping my own life right so I am not consumed with how others lead there’s but trust they are trying as I am to be a better person for Christ’s sake if for no one else’s.

  72. bratimus says:

    There is something I want to point out, through God’s words when you look or read about all God’s prophets and Christ disciples. They all speak to God’s and the Word of God. But their all different, they where all in different situations. Now some of those situations are similar to ours but also different. The prophets came before Christ so in things they said they where pointing to Christ. The disciple were with Christ and the starting of the Church after Christ sacrifice and rising and ascending to Glorification.

    When Paul writes he was a slave to Christ and a prisoner to Christ he was writing to the situation he was in, basically he was a prisoner.

    I feel like Christ and the Holy Spirit are more Friends, like best Friends. I serve Christ and the Holy Spirit, I also have a best friend in Christ and the Holy Spirit. God doesn’t want drones, the world wants drones to lead around by the nose. God wants free men and women, to come freely to Him. Free Will!!!

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  73. jeff1 says:

    Feeling free in Christ doesn’t necessary make me feel free in the world. It’s Him I go to for comfort and peace when the world is closing in on me.

    That is why the church is like a sanctuary to me because its where I can be alone with God.

    I can leave the rest of the world out and feel His presence and that’s what I need in a world like this one.

  74. Beloved says:

    I wish I could feel safe and comfortable in church but being alone with Christ and maybe a couple others I know well is good for me. I’m differently constructed.

  75. Beloved says:

    Calvin is helping me to understand the difference between the city of God and the city of Man and how to navigate both. My understanding so far is that our role in the city of man is to do good things to make it better, while still being a part of the Kingdom of God which is our first priority. I can see where it’s important to elect good officials who also want good for the people. And to be involved in community programs for children adults and elderly. We are told to pray for our officials that we may live peaceably and have our basic needs met. There are a lot of good things out there.

  76. Beloved says:

    Viv I would love to attend church with you!!

  77. bratimus says:

    That was what I was trying to get across, The Christ and Holy Spirit zones, not the the Christ and Holy Spirit drones.(ok I through a little sports humor into that, and I know some don’t think humor and joy are the same thing.)

    It is always about the conversation, it could be about what people see that makes the difference.

    Christ has constructed us differently, as there are many members of the church, there are just as many differences between US, just as long as WE understand to get back to Go WE go through Christ and the Holy Spirit we’ll guide in the right for each of US.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  78. jeff1 says:

    Bratimus, I would agree with politics and religion there are half truths as history is written from half truths i.e. in my country the orange and the green.

    If we ever stop living in the past we might just embrace the present and finally get past a history that in truth does neither side any favours.

    My mum used to say my dad was too honest for his own good and now I understand that she was right as honesty is a virtue that doesn’t always meet with the approval of men because its God given.

  79. Beloved says:

    Giving credit where credit is due… Augustine wrote the “City of God” which Calvin talks about.

  80. Beloved says:

    Focusing on doing good helps me to bypass my anxieties about the badness of people. Prayer first of course. With God all things are possible, not all things are permissible but all things good point toward the goodness of God. Every good and perfect gift comes from God.

  81. street says:

    beloved said, “I wish I could feel safe and comfortable in church but being alone with Christ and maybe a couple others I know well is good for me. I’m differently constructed.”

    it’s not the people we meet every day on again off again, it is the Lord Who said I will never leave you nor forsake you.” He goes with us where ever we go. the advance team and rear guard. david had a hard time figuring out where he could go apart from God. job found great adversity and God met him in it. nothing is too hard for God, yet we find many things hard.

    thinking of fear…in the body if believers. we are to fear God not each other. bad theology or practices should scare us too. Love Truth Spirit drive out fear. should bring peace…. always contending for peace in heart and mind in Christ. contending to love and contending truth and abiding in the Spirit. one verse talks about contending to the point of shedding of blood. God is indeed merciful. sure we get roughed up by the world and the assaults of words, yet the clay is in the potter hands and He is not done with us. His Spirit is a deposit of future Glory and peace in the present. those who trust in the Lord will not be disappointed at His coming.

    thinking about paul speaking of all the fears and disappointments he dealt with. fears within and without.

    2 Corinthians 7:4-6

    4 I have spoken to you with great frankness; I take great pride in you. I am greatly encouraged; in all our troubles my joy knows no bounds.

    5 For when we came into Macedonia, we had no rest, but we were harassed at every turn—conflicts on the outside, fears within. 6 But God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the coming of Titus,

    if we don’t pray i think God like adversities that get us to cry out to Him till we are satisfied with Him.

    i may be a barbarian for saying this, but sin is a great attention getting devise for God. true faith is better. God even asked satan if he had noticed His servant job?

  82. Beloved says:

    I agree street, I’ve been battling PTSD for so long I know all those verses by heart. But the mind/ body is weaker now than it once was. There was a time I could muster the strength to sing with praise bands and loved it, but now not so much. But Jesus hasn’t left me. I know that. He is stronger in my weakness, just not being used as much which makes sense at 70!

  83. Beloved says:

    I too sometimes think God uses the PTS episodes to show satan Whom I belong to. It’s all good.

  84. Beloved says:

    But of course because of our sin nature we can never really trust our spirituality. But Jesus we can trust!

  85. jeff1 says:

    In living and dying, embracing and grieving,
    In losing and gaining and losing again,
    I rest in the arms of a love never changing,
    A goodness, a wisdom, a strength with no end.
    In sunlight and shadows, abundance and need,
    When loving is joy, when I hurt and I bleed,
    When darkness engulfs me, I trust You to lead,
    My Savior, my Sovereign, my Father, my Friend.

    In living and loving, in learning and growing,
    In rising and falling and rising again,
    I walk in the light of a love never changing,
    A mercy unfailing on which I depend.
    Through suffering and failure, through endless delays,
    My pleasure is speaking and living Your praise.
    Let joyful thanksgiving flood all of my days,
    My Savior, my Sovereign, my Father, my Friend.

  86. bratimus says:

    One just has to look back too 2006 at the U.S.A political history. WE had a speaker of the House talking of impeaching the sitting president, talking about about things that didn’t have to do with the citizens of the country and doing nothing in the house of representatives like legislating laws that helps all U.S. citizens. Just to try and get a democrat back in as President.

    Oh wait in 2019 we have the same person in the position of Speaker of the House. Talking about the impeachment of the sitting President, not legislating laws to help all citizens and pointing out how bad of a person the President is. So basically the U.S. is repeating history from 2006, go figure.

    This is why I stay out of politics, it is the same stuff over and over. rather boring and tiresome.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  87. street says:

    Sometimes not being usefull is a bigger test than being busy. As we get older the body and mind do fail, but not our Lord. Some think the cross a failure, but to the elect a certain victory!

  88. Beloved says:

    Amen!

  89. Beloved says:

    I love that song Viv.

  90. Beloved says:

    This is why I stay out of politics, it is the same stuff over and over. rather boring and tiresome.

    James 3:17(NIV)
    17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

  91. poohpity says:

    I thought that God only sees us covered by the sacrifice of His son, not our sin but I could be wrong.

    Once in sin’s darkest night
    I was wand’ring alone
    A stranger to mercy I stood
    But the Savior came nigh
    When He heard my faint cry
    And He put my sins under the blood

    They are covered by the blood
    They are covered by the blood
    My sins are all covered by the blood
    My iniquities so vast
    Have been blotted out at last
    My sins are all covered by the blood

    From the burden I carried now I am set free
    For Jesus has lifted my load
    O the love and the grace I received in its place
    When He put my sins under the blood

    I can ne’er understand why he sought even me
    Why His lifeblood on calvary flowed
    But sufficient for me,
    Since He died on the tree
    He has put my sins under the blood

    They are covered by the blood
    They are covered by the blood
    My sins are all covered by the blood
    My iniquities so vast
    Have been blotted out at last
    My sins are all covered by the blood

    My iniquities so vast
    Have been blotted out at last
    My sins are all covered by the blood

    My sins are all covered by the blood

  92. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 17, 2019 at 7:35 pm

    I thought that God only sees us covered by the sacrifice of His son, not our sin but I could be wrong.

    Sin is still what separates me from God and if I am seeking His ways then I will want to draw nearer to Him in order to not sin.

    If I do not confess my sin and feel remorse then I cannot draw closer to God.

    I cannot lie to God as confessing my sin without a heart full of remorse will not work as God is not mocked.

    I cost God His Son because sin is such a serious offence and so sin cannot be taken lightly by myself or God as it draws a wedge in my relationship with Him.

    As C. S. Lewis so insightfully says “It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to.”

  93. SFDBWV says:

    Many years ago reading some book about the Scriptures the author brought the idea forward that the reason Paul always painted a good picture of his Roman Centurion guards was because they read his letters before allowing them to be sent out from Paul’s captivity.

    Of course I don’t know if that is true or not, but that one concept stuck in my mind as evidenced by my comment this morning.

    It is a somewhat difficult task to know where the Holy Spirit’s influential writing and Paul’s writing separate, or even if they do.

    However Paul had a lot to say and indeed his writings reflected the culture and politics of his surroundings and of his day.

    Politics isn’t always about how you vote or the people in public office. It also is in how you interact with people you come into contact with every day. Especially in this era where “political correctness” is the conscience of the masses.

    To a large degree people are forced to hide their true feelings in an attempt not to be caught up in being out casted by the mob mentality that now rules without mercy how we are to think.

    Paul knew how to “play” to his audience and so spoke to them in such a way that he didn’t offend too much, all the while getting the message across.

    Paul was a political man. He spoke as a spokesman, while Jesus spoke with authority and had a lot less to say as recorded.

    Steve

  94. foreverblessed says:

    The basic ground for a Christian is
    Trust
    You trust in God, in Me also trust
    Said Jesus.

    But all through the ages nations act out of fear,
    Fear for being attacked, fear for not having enough food for feeding the people,
    Fear…

    While we are told to
    Trust
    God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit

  95. poohpity says:

    Viv, When we sin we turn away from God, God does not turn away from us. Look at history! God pursued people from the day they were created but when they sinned they hide from God BUT God had a plan in place from that very moment of that first sin to send a Savior. That Savior did not separate Himself from people who sinned but walked among them and even gave His life for them. The only separation is the one that we do when we run away from God because we have sinned when all the while we should be running to Him because of sin, that place is a place of forgiveness, mercy and grace.

    Steve, wasn’t Paul surrounded by fellow believers who brought him the supplies he needed to write his letters and then at the end of the letters he introduces the person who is bringing the letters around to the newly formed churches. It is not like our prison system is today when every piece of mail goes through the guards and yes it is read but that was not the case back then. If you read each letter one can see what is written at the close. But first one must read the letters to know that.

    Paul was very honest and forth right in his letters and did not “play” people but addressed issues upfront and unafraid of reaction because they were written to help those he wrote to but more importantly to share the Gospel. He did not live to please man so did not hide anything by flattery or smooth talk but by open and honest communication.

  96. Beloved says:

    Good day all! Very loud storms here this morning and nearly every day since summer finally arrived with temps in upper 80’s 90’s f and high dew points. Listening to RefNet as usual and am so encouraged. Fixing my eyes on Jesus!

  97. bratimus says:

    Here is a honest and truthful opinion I can give,

    “Politics, Religion, organizations or Life styles that don’t line up to the way of Christ. If they were so right in their believes, why do they lie, cheat, steal and even attack others that don’t line up with their beliefs.”

    Over the years when I would talk to people of other religions or beliefs or life styles before it got into an argument I would say. “let US live our lives to the end, then we will see who is right.” That work back then, I don’t know if that works in today’s life. People are so dead set on being right, they go to extreme length to try to make them self’s right, almost as if their lives depended on it. The truth is it isn’t you lives that depend on it, it is your souls. So many are so disconnected from there souls they are mistaking where their anxieties are coming from, it isn’t their Life’s that are in jeopardy, it is their souls.

    “Do you know what language your soul speaks? (That might answer a question some had.)

    So I will pray this:

    “Father in Heaven, I humbly come before you through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Always to praise, you are the Holy of Holy the Glorified Almighty God who sit on the Throne in Heaven. I come to ask that you keep everyone in the corners make the playing field even. Father I do not ask this for my sake, but for all your little ones of the Earth, so they have the chance to freely choose what they want to truly believe.”

    I pray this in Christ name
    Amen

    Like I said I,m here to pray and worship God.

    Here is another opinion of mine,

    God set up linear time for the sake of mankind, not for God’s sake.
    So If a judgement comes for someone today, to God it is the end Judgement.

    So staying in one respected corner, probably be a good idea. God gave the gift of free will, no man or thing has the right to take it away.

    In Christ name always

    Bratimus

  98. Beloved says:

    Pooh you remind me of the auto correct on my keyboard lol! Not sure why, it just came to me:-)

  99. Beloved says:

    I too have been guilty of the same thing lol!

  100. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 18, 2019 at 9:06 am

    I am still a sinner taking refuge in Christ by God’s decree.

    When Jesus walked this earth with sinners it was before His Resurrection.

    Unless you believe in purgatory then there is no in between I am not in God’s presence until I am resurrected.

  101. poohpity says:

    Didn’t He walk with them after His resurrection too? Doesn’t He walk with us today who abide in Him through the Holy Spirit? I am in the presence of God everyday there is no hiding from Him. He is after all omnipresent.

    O Lord, you have examined my heart
    and know everything about me.
    2
    You know when I sit down or stand up.
    You know my thoughts even when I’m far away.
    3
    You see me when I travel
    and when I rest at home.
    You know everything I do.
    4
    You know what I am going to say
    even before I say it, Lord.
    5
    You go before me and follow me.
    You place your hand of blessing on my head.
    6
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too great for me to understand!

    7
    I can never escape from your Spirit!
    I can never get away from your presence!
    8
    If I go up to heaven, you are there;
    if I go down to the grave, you are there.
    9
    If I ride the wings of the morning,
    if I dwell by the farthest oceans,
    10
    even there your hand will guide me,
    and your strength will support me.
    11
    I could ask the darkness to hide me
    and the light around me to become night—
    12
    but even in darkness I cannot hide from you.
    To you the night shines as bright as day.
    Darkness and light are the same to you.

    13
    You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
    and knit me together in my mother’s womb.
    14
    Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
    Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.
    15
    You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
    as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
    16
    You saw me before I was born.
    Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
    Every moment was laid out
    before a single day had passed.

    17
    How precious are your thoughts about me, O God.
    They cannot be numbered!
    18
    I can’t even count them;
    they outnumber the grains of sand!
    And when I wake up,
    you are still with me!

    19
    O God, if only you would destroy the wicked!
    Get out of my life, you murderers!
    20
    They blaspheme you;
    your enemies misuse your name.
    21
    O Lord, shouldn’t I hate those who hate you?
    Shouldn’t I despise those who oppose you?
    22
    Yes, I hate them with total hatred,
    for your enemies are my enemies.

    23
    Search me, O God, and know my heart;
    test me and know my anxious thoughts.
    24
    Point out anything in me that offends you,
    and lead me along the path of everlasting life.
    Psalm 139

  102. poohpity says:

    One of the many wonders found in reading the bible is what it says about our relationship with God.

    Romans 8: And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  103. street says:

    1 Timothy 4:15-16

    15 Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. 16 Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.

  104. street says:

    The Politics of pharaoh

    Exodus 5:9
    Let the labor be heavier on the men, and let them work at it so that they will pay no attention to false words.”

    what if the labor was made heavier for the purpose to distract from the truth.

    thinking of job.

    paul was familiar with labor.

  105. bratimus says:

    What if placing the book of Job and Job, before Christ and the Gospels. Places despair and unneeded suffering on some. Now where in Job does Job say “come to me and I’ll lighten your burdens and suffering” no.

    Christ Jesus in the Gospels said that “Come to me and I will lift your Yoke, and lighten your burdens”.

    We might need to get out of Job and head into the Gospels where Christ is.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  106. street says:

    who was speaking to the righteous man of God?

  107. bratimus says:

    Through Christ we take on the righteousness of God, ypou know the Armor of God Ephesians 6:10-17

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  108. bratimus says:

    opps typo *you not ypou

  109. street says:

    Thinking of the politics of the Christian life.
    Who is LORD?
    How do citizen relate to each other when they are so different and not so different?
    Unity and peace seem distant sometimes.
    Thinking of Hezikiah. Did everything right and then the Asserians show up at the gate after destroying every kingdom on earth. Surely a time for politics?
    Not for Hezikiah

  110. poohpity says:

    “You can tell that Hezekiah was important to God simply by understanding how much was written about him in Scripture. An example of this is that while many kings of Israel and Judah may have gotten a half a chapter, Hezekiah gets three entire chapters in the book of Kings and four chapters in the book of Chronicles, plus he is written about in some of the Prophetic Books. Hezekiah gets a lot of print from God. That means that he is one of the men from whom we can learn in our life, and we are going to learn a lot from Hezekiah; in fact, I really see Hezekiah as a man of action. We are going to learn first of all that Hezekiah had a basis of thankfulness in his life, and how important thankfulness is. Second, we are going to see the need to do right quickly. Many times we want to do right, but we end up putting it off, “We will do it, but we will do it next week.” That was not how Hezekiah did it. He was a man that when something came up to do, he got started, and he did it. Third, we are going to see in Hezekiah the example of him making personal decisions. He did not wait for a crowd; he made personal decisions. Fourth, we will see his love for other people, and his desire for outreach. He was bold in his outreach. Fifth, we will see a great key about when to extend grace to those who need it. Last, we will see the effect of true repentance and worship.” By John Schoenheit

  111. foreverblessed says:

    “Our Lord never insists on having authority over us. He never says, “You will submit to me.” No, He leaves us perfectly free to choose— so free, in fact, that we can spit in His face or we can put Him to death, as others have done; and yet He will never say a word. But once His life has been created in me through His redemption, I instantly recognize His right to absolute authority over me. It is a complete and effective domination, in which I acknowledge that “You are worthy, O Lord…” (Revelation 4:11). It is simply the unworthiness within me that refuses to bow down or to submit to one who is worthy. When I meet someone who is more holy than myself, and I don’t recognize his worthiness, nor obey his instructions for me, it is a sign of my own unworthiness being revealed. God teaches us by using these people who are a little better than we are; not better intellectually, but more holy. And He continues to do so until we willingly submit. Then the whole attitude of our life is one of obedience to Him.

    If our Lord insisted on our obedience, He would simply become a taskmaster and cease to have any real authority. He never insists on obedience, but when we truly see Him we will instantly obey Him. Then He is easily Lord of our life, and we live in adoration of Him from morning till night. The level of my growth in grace is revealed by the way I look at obedience. We should have a much higher view of the word obedience, rescuing it from the mire of the world. Obedience is only possible between people who are equals in their relationship to each other; like the relationship between father and son, not that between master and servant. Jesus showed this relationship by saying, “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30). “…though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered” (Hebrews 5:8). The Son was obedient as our Redeemer, because He was the Son, not in order to become God’s Son.”
    From my utmost of today
    I thought that this was great!
    So that is the politics of Jesus,
    Despots demand obedience, tot avoid chaos.
    Jesus is not afraid of chaos.
    He knows that through the Cross everything can be made new.

  112. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 18, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Didn’t He walk with them after His resurrection too? Doesn’t He walk with us today who abide in Him through the Holy Spirit? I am in the presence of God everyday there is no hiding from Him. He is after all omnipresent.

    He supernaturally appeared to them which is not quite the same as being with them before His resurrection.

    I have been saved by the Holy Spirit as it has led me through darkness and out the other side so yes I know God works for good.

    I don’t know God’s purpose for my life as I have never been seeking it but rather was indoctrinated that I should keep God’s commands which is why I run from God believing I wouldn’t be up to it.

    I have had a chaotic life and though I never stopped believing in God as far as I knew He was only interested in me only if I could keep the commandments.

    My dad always had a different take on God then I had which is why he knew God better than I.

    If I take refuge in Christ today it is because I have failed God and that is the difference in my dad’s life and mine he was obedient as he was disciplined in his walk with God but it is only in hindsight that I can see that now.

    My mum was right that my dad was too honest for his own good and that is because he was following God’s ways which met with the disapproval of men and I unwittingly was on the men’s side because I thought them being religious and Biblically taught people knew better than he did.

    I am not reluctant to read my Bible for any other reason than I know that if my heart is not right with God then I can take any meaning that suits my beliefs from it and I have seen it done and the consequences are ignorance of God and the one man I knew who was not ignorant of God read his Bible for encouragement and rebuke and not to become more knowledgeable and why I believe to read it for any other purpose is contrary to God’s intent.

  113. poohpity says:

    Viv, God’s purpose for all mankind is; wait for it, wait for it, to have a close relationship with Him and He fully realizes we do nothing perfectly or live without faults, failures, or without sin. I have a hunch that is the very reason why Jesus came to reveal the love of the Father. There is only one way that our hearts are made right with God and it is by faith. Hebrews 11:6 NLT

    I guess for some the reason we read the bible is to seek Him, to get to know Him better by how He interacted with those who came before us although it is just one way but God knows those who are earnestly seeking and searching for Him and I am assured He will reveal Himself in whatever way possible to have a relationship with us however that may be. In any relationship people spend time getting to know each other and since He already knows us intimately all that is left is for us to get to know Him, then a relationship is formed. Although it seems God often has only one sided relationships when people do not care to get to know Him.

  114. street says:

    Reading the Bible is like sitting at the gate to heaven and listening to what is going on.
    I may not understand everything, keeps me humble, not naturally humble. In a humble state there is a possibility to really love in Spirit and Truth, our true worship. Much of the Bible speaks of events on earth, very few in heaven. Thinking sin separated earth from God, yet Jesus worked redeemed it. If we follow we will be redeeming time places and peoples. The politics of Paul.

  115. Beloved says:

    Forever I like what O C says, and what strikes me personally is that we don’t obey to become children of God we are obedient because we are His children. Thanks for posting.

  116. Beloved says:

    I’ve been reading and understanding the OT more as I look for Jesus in history. He didn’t just suddenly appear in a manger but is and always has been God. Reading the Bible is like sitting at the gate waiting for the doors to open to see with our eyes what we now only see by faith!

  117. poohpity says:

    We can rejoice in God’s presence with us in the good times as well as in the troubling times. With a grateful heart and thanksgiving we come into His very presence every minute of everyday knowing that even when we sleep He is there watching over us.

  118. street says:

    Jesus said I Am the gate.John 10:7-9

  119. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 19, 2019 at 9:33 am

    I guess for some the reason we read the bible is to seek Him, to get to know Him better by how He interacted with those who came before us although it is just one way but God knows those who are earnestly seeking and searching for Him and I am assured He will reveal Himself in whatever way possible to have a relationship with us however that may be.

    God recognises those who are seeking Him but I did not recognise (too gullible) that they where not seeking God but using the Bible to promote their religious beliefs and that makes me wary today of listening to anyone as people will say almost anything that points to God being on their side which to me means that people care more about themselves being right about their beliefs than they do about God’s ways and that is because we have made the gospel about us when it should be about Christ.

  120. poohpity says:

    Viv, to me it does not make any difference what others do with the bible that is in God’s hands. It only makes a difference what I do since that is the only person I am responsible for in my relationship with the Lord it is not a third or fourth person thing. I do know for sure that I may never know what the intentions are of others that is just jumping to conclusions or assuming and that is never any good for anybody.

    C.S. Lewis read the bible to prove there was no such thing as the resurrection or even a God but what He found was a true relationship with God in his research.

  121. poohpity says:

    cbrown, glad you are still able to minister through ODB to those in prison although a bit more limited. I will continue to pray for your ministry, the family of the man who lost his life and for the hearts of those who will receive Christ. It is a great publication as are all of the things that ODB ministries does. I am a regular contributor every month for 11 years.

  122. jeff1 says:

    The people I am talking about where very vocal in being heard so it wasn’t a case of me assuming or jumping to conclusions because they believed they knew better they were not backward about boasting.

    You are right it is God who is worthy of our faith and worship and when I focus on Him then it does not matter another’s intentions because as you say all is in His Hands and I find peace in knowing they couldn’t be in better Hands.

  123. street says:

    We obey because we love the 1 we serve. Thinking about the requirement to hate ourselves, mother , father, sister, and brother, even the world. You can not serve 2 masters.

  124. poohpity says:

    We are supposed to hate ourselves? Matt 22:39 If we have hate in our hearts it will certainly come pouring out to others which seems to be a big problem for many. 1 John 2:9-11

  125. bratimus says:

    In Matt 22:39, who was Jesus talking to, He was talking to those who really didn’t know the love of God, just love they just had love for self. Now in the Gospel Of John Jesus tells His disciples to “Love others, as I have Loved you.” I love who I am with Christ and the Holy Spirit in my life, but is that Just loving God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  126. poohpity says:

    If one has the Spirit living within them, then the fruit of that Spirit is love. We do not pick and choose who we love it is part of us so therefore will come pouring out of us towards God and others. Gal 5:14

    At the time Jesus said Matt 22:39 He was talking to all those who thought they had the ability to love on their own and follow everything God had commanded without flaw or failure but Jesus showed them they deceived themselves by thinking they could.

  127. Beloved says:

    Love and hate:

    I read this today explaining the Hebrew meaning of hate.

    Jacob I loved; Esau I hated – Mal 1:2; Romans 9:13 Esau is the only person that God said He hated. Could it be that the Lord was so wounded by Esau’s rejection of His prized gift of the birthright for some stew that God wanted to stay away from him? God had not rejected Esau, rather Esau rejected God’s plan. In this context, this verse shows God’s broken heart rather than His anger at disobedience.
    Gods character is not aloof to our experiences or angry at one thoughtless act of disobedience. On the contrary, He is “compassionate and gracious, slow to anger…” (Exodus 34:6). We feel pain and want to withdraw because God does; we are made in His Image. Yet Jesus challenges us to love those that hurt us. Instead of avoiding (hating), return in love.
    “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you…” – Luke 6:27

  128. street says:

    Now in the Gospel Of John Jesus tells His disciples to “Love others, as I have Loved you.” I love who I am with Christ and the Holy Spirit in my life, but is that Just loving God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    what ever you did to the least of my brethren you did it to me.

  129. street says:

    Luke 14:25-27
    25 Now large crowds were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. 27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

  130. street says:

    i heard that our love for Christ is to be greater than my love for others and it, this love, would be perceived as hate by others. i already understand there is nothing good in me, yet i receive great mercy and grace at the present time. i also understand as a believer, in Christ, i have been given a New Spirit, Who has begone a work in me that will be completed, a living hope.

  131. street says:

    We are drawn into politics by real issues that tend to leave us with the impression that all of life boils down to which person or party controls the economics of our health, wealth, and freedom.

    who controls our hearts soul and mind?

    it seems we really don’t control our circumstances of future if we where chosen before the foundation of the earth. neither was i given a choice to be born. i really am glad i was born, not so much with the corruption of myself and the world. i hear the potter is at work. waiting to be fired. i hear He never fails. i remember job wishing he had never been born. guess i have it much better than he did. sometimes i wait for the other shoe to hit the floor so to speak. the politics of being a believer?

  132. street says:

    Thinking about carrying the cross. Jesus emptied Himself …when we sin, we sin with all our being. When Jesus loves, obeys The Father, He loved Him with His whole being. I find it true God set the standard for love and we excepted it. The same standard for Redemption. Thinking about the dishwasher and the upper room …washing feet.

  133. poohpity says:

    So as Mart pointed out, “So unless whatever book, teacher, God or gods we use for our spirituality can transform our approach to religion and politics into something good for one another—in our differences— maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.”

    It would seem that we have to be careful what we read and who we listen to because what we fill our minds with can effect our spirituality and every other area of our lives. As it is with most politics and religions they seem to promise the moon but do they do what they have promised or is it possible that they just say things to get one on their side then fail miserably with the follow through.

    Jesus told us that God wants a relationship with us and that God loves us beyond anything we could imagine and it is not about anything we can do to earn it or keep it but because of who God is. Paul because he experienced that also points us to God and His grace never allowed anyone to bow down or worship him or put him on a pedestal because he knew that was something only due to God who is the source of: “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control” and all that Paul had become.

    Jesus and Paul warned time and again that many will come to deceive that includes politicians and different religions to steal and mess with our minds to lead us away from trusting and depending on God with self reliance, self righteousness, self absorbing teaching, self determination, basically consumed with self to the exclusion of what is in the best interest of others, bottom line the very definition of love which Paul defined in 1 Cor 13:4-7.

    God knew we could not do that perfectly just as He knew we can not do anything perfectly while we battle against the flesh, so it is all better left into the hands of God and we can rest in Him. We learn from Him, He guides us through this life together with Him, in dependence on Him. He is our Good Shepherd and His sheep hear His voice and follow after Him, not the noise that fills the air we often find ourselves chasing after rather than chasing after God.

  134. poohpity says:

    I was so amused at all the politicians that had ash on their foreheads during the lent season yet their very countenance and actions were of promoting hate, violence, contempt, division nowhere did I see or hear any unity or thoughts of doing what is in the best interest of the people of our country but only for the people who lined their bank accounts. Watch one time the faces of the people we have elected for Congress and tell me what you notice. Their eyes are a mirror of their souls while they bear these big smiles that are only something they have practiced to do to deceive.

  135. poohpity says:

    Hosea 6:3 NLT; Hosea 6:6 NLT

  136. street says:

    Thinking of the politics of law enforcement. The enforcement of justice at the trials of Jesus. Another way to live? Alive from the dead? Given a new life in Christ.
    Thinking about wine skins.

  137. Beloved says:

    Seems to me that within the bigger story of God, gods, empires, Jesus and Paul, it does matter who rules– and how, who stands with or against them– and how— at whose expense– and how much.

    David came to mind. And how we place such virtue in character as if it’s the true test of a Christian. Well, what about David—is what He did, stealing another’s wife and then having her husband killed as bad as it gets? Yet He was a man after God’s own heart and even became a seed bearer of the future Messiah! Seems to me it does matter a lot who’s in charge and who their friends and enemies are. Thanking God for His sovereignty over all and rule of love joy peace patience kindness and justice- for all. Glad I’m on His good side:-) Thank you Jesus.

  138. street says:

    thinking of 1 Timothy where paul says “character” is more important than gifts. it’s like love without truth or truth without love. a very difficult place to be. sure every human soul stained by sin. Jesus willingly accepted the punishment due to sinners, identifying with them at the baptism of john to do what the Father required of man. after the requirement was met, proved by the Resurrection, a new requirement was given, to love One and other as I, Jesus, have loved you. some love more because they where forgiven more. it seems we were all forgiven an eternal debt.

  139. street says:

    maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.”

    avoid casting pearls before swine. ouch!

  140. Beloved says:

    I’m not trying to be argumentative but thinking of the difference between Godly character and good character shaped by good teaching and morals. And of those with rotten character newly brought in to the Kingdom. Timothy was training to be a teacher; not all should be teachers as they are judged more harshly than the rest of us (me). I don’t think we should judge anyone by their character unless that person is in authority over others and especially children/disabled etc. Christ chose me when I was a despicable. How easy it is to slip back at times (as I learned yesterday with neighbors). The rest of the day I spent praising God for loving, forgiving and saving me.

  141. Beloved says:

    I am not saying Godly character is just for teachers though; is that clear as mud? We all like to wallow sometimes, especially those not born into godly households just my opinion/observation.

  142. Beloved says:

    God bless you, street.

  143. bratimus says:

    Christ said “Who is good, only God is good.”

    In Christ name

  144. Beloved says:

    And for those concerned; yes, I pray for my neighbors daily, sometimes more :-)

  145. jeff1 says:

    See the seed of faith once planted,
    Sown with tears and sacrifice,
    Now a garden all around us,
    Rich with color, rich with life.
    See more blossoms daily open,
    Spreading still the precious seed,
    Bearing fruit for every hunger,
    Filling every human need.

    We are part of all He’s growing,
    Rooted in long ages past,
    Spreading out to fill the future,
    Blessing far beyond our grasp.
    Daily plant the seeds of kindness.
    Sow His mercy, reap His peace.
    Share in love’s abundant harvest,
    Filling all eternity.

  146. street says:

    Been reading a book called ten questions. It’s premis is a good question can go farther then facts. In getting people out of ruts and into a broad place. I think mart is pretty good at it too. Sometimes it is slow, but well worth the wait.

  147. poohpity says:

    yes street Mart is very good a getting people to think about things to get out of the boxes we so often find ourselves in, to expand our minds for better understanding. The sad part is if one is not familiar with what he is talking about they change the subject to what they do know, well maybe know that is. When it comes to God we are all students learning and hopefully growing in our relationship with the Almighty! We can learn from each other when we are open to new things.

  148. bratimus says:

    So is a little advice from me, it is not so much for the commenters, as more for a reader or two.

    Back when I might not have been living a life that wasn’t the best Christian life, I call these the grey areas of my life, because I never went totally dark. When I decided to walk way from the grey areas, for good 15 years ago give or take a year. I had to walk away from it and stay away, and that meant that I had to walk away from some friends and people. Once you decide get away way from certain things, you have to walk away and not look back. True friends would understand this. Not say these things won’t pop up other place, or that people don’t stop bring up the grey areas you once lived, then you know that these people aren’t your friends either. Not saying I’m perfect and have place I can improve in my life. That just a little advice.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  149. street says:

    There will be no end to the increase of His Rule or Peace. The Prince of Peace

  150. jeff1 says:

    My mum used to tell me secrets about peoples lives not to gossip but because I would have had questions relating to the person and she was explaining how their circumstances emerged.

    Often I was quite shocked at the length others went to to keep secrets and live a lie.

    It is having lived life myself that I now see why some people take their secrets to their grave.

    It seems many feel they will get forgiveness from God easier than they will from other people and perhaps why I see much wisdom in Mart’s comments: So unless whatever book, teacher, God or gods we use for our spirituality can transform our approach to religion and politics into something good for one another—in our differences— maybe we are wise to avoid them in polite and good natured company.

    If I have learned anything it is that it is much easier to judge another’s situation and think I would have done differently if I had been in it.

    It is God who has taught me that I am not here to determine the rights or wrongs of another but to seek His truths rather than that of the politics and religions of this world.

  151. poohpity says:

    That is a very good lesson to learn, if we ever really learn it. Most often when I look back on the things I have done I think I sure would have done differently if I had known better but at the time I did not know better.

    In the political arena, here anyway, people often say that they know how another thinks or their motivation when it is clearly shown by actions they do not know what they are talking about. Since I have been alive there is only One person who knows what another is thinking or what their motivation is and that is the Lord. With Him even knowing that and all the hidden secrets of our lives, He still loved us enough to die for us.

    So would we be like Moses or Paul and be willing to give up our salvation for another or be like Jonah and withhold the only thing that could bring someone salvation because of hate? Or be like most religions and tell people they need to earn their salvation rather than it being a sacred gift offered because of God’s great love for us?

  152. poohpity says:

    There is a mess happening in our country at this time because the media inserted the word country into a tweet of the President to stir up problems when that was not what he said at all. Each of the people that the President was referring to came from states that the communities they represent are filled with crime, homelessness and other problems and if they were not able to solve any of the problems there what makes them think they could solve national problems rather than starting them. They have shown they are problem causers not problem solvers.

    This is another evidence of people who accuse others of things are usually guilty of them their selves.

  153. Beloved says:

    “Lord, keep Your people free from the designs of the wicked, those who wish us harm.”

  154. Beloved says:

    Alistair Begg preaching on the role of goodness in the life of a believer using Titus says we are to be involved in politics upholding goodness as the standard with the knowledge that God is over all leaders and He is our true standard of conduct in the world. Being different and standing out from the crowd no matter what others think or do. Goodness is part of the call to holiness we are given as believers.

  155. Beloved says:

    Begg also explained that in biblical times goodness meant being patriotic and supporting and upholding ones government. Surprised me.

  156. Beloved says:

    I can see where supporting and honoring our current president feels like a betrayal of all that is good and holy, but as believers it is our duty to pray for and honor him which we do recognizing God is sovereign over the rulers of this world. I didn’t get to church as planned but this teaching aligns with what I believe Mart’s point may be. We are told to give honor where honor is due. It’s all starting to come together in this old head. Old dog new truths I guess.

    Street brought up asking questions rather than putting out facts (and telling others how to think, I might add) Mart and Jesus are very good about that.

  157. SFDBWV says:

    The Politics of Jesus and Paul.

    For some it is always forgotten that both of these men were after all, men.

    Their youths were spent in growing up among others that in some ways controlled how they lived by the politics of their surroundings.

    As evidenced when Jesus began His ministry His religion required the reading from the Torah on Sabbath. This was a religious function. The very fact that Jesus the man was reputed to have followed all the Laws of Moses shows His devotion to His religion.

    Paul was schooled by his religious scholars to be an expert in his religion.

    Certainly though they were very different men, with very different agendas for their lives.

    For Paul there really was no separation of religion and politics as their country was a theocracy.

    However though Jesus the man was under such a government it was because His government was what was to be explained as the Kingdom of God and He their King.

    So the theocracy of Israel had Him executed for blasphemy by a Roman governor who had Him executed for claiming to be King of the Jews as there were only one ruler in the world and that was Caesar.

    The Islamic world still tries to operate as a theocracy and still executes for blasphemy.

    The Christian world allows for several different forms of government, while for the most part recognizing that the Kingdom of God is not of this world.

    Though ideally a Christian democracy should hold its leaders to adherence to the principals and teachings of Christianity. A most difficult endeavor in a democratic society that allows other religions to also be in a seat of power.

    It could be the coming storm isn’t about politics, but still, as from ages past, about religion.

    Just had a few minutes and thought I might share some thoughts along our subject. It is 83 degrees.

    Steve

  158. Beloved says:

    Titus 10As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

    Wow this is quite the standard! This is about the body of Christ obviously not amongst the worldly political realm. Impossible pretty much.

  159. Beloved says:

    Steve your post makes think of the age old question “Is the Bible still applicable to today’s audience?”. This was the first question I asked myself and others upon becoming a believer. Why yes it is, if not then we are free to do whatever we want to do. As we see the culture doing.

  160. street says:

    Mart will that “chosen” link ever be repaired?

  161. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    When I looked at the picture that Mart chose for this blog topic, I thought… “hmmm? So many minds coming together on a matter or situation… minds that could *divide* (no unity) or minds that could *agree* (blessed unity).” I also noticed, in the list of previous blog topics, that the “Politics of Jesus” was up for discussion about 4 months ago. Thought the last paragraph for that blog topic was interesting… I’ll share it here:

    “If Jesus is the real leader of the free world, a hint of his presence, politics, and accomplishments are seen in the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control of his citizens.”

    Was thinking about the last word (citizens) in that paragraph… We’re actually “citizens” of another (country)kingdom, a kingdom that will be governed much better than what we’re experiencing in this earthly realm. I think there are far too many political differences regarding how we should protect our health, wealth and freedom on this side of glory.

    Thinking again about the word, “citizen” and how it relates to the word “disciple.” The word “disciple” means follower of Jesus Christ, and Jesus asked ordinary men and women (like you and me) to “follow” Him. When Jesus said “follow”, we know it means a lot more than just not letting Him out of our sight. It means that whatever we see Him do, we’re supposed to do likewise. Am thinking that a person can’t be a “citizen” of Jesus unless they’re a follower of Jesus. My thoughts on this blog topic made me long for that “better city”, a city not made by human hands…the new Jerusalem.

    98 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  162. jeff1 says:

    I think never mind talking of aliens in outer space I become an alien in this world and if it were not for having a young family I would struggle with keeping up with the changes.

    I find peace in Christ as He has a view of the world that is greater than mine and it is when I focus on this truth I can carry on in the uncertainty of it.

    All I get here are glimpses of God and that is what encourages and gives me peace in a chaotic world.

    It was never meant to be easy and it isn’t and why faith is about perseverance and not success and when I keep that thought in mind then I see that it is about God’s purpose and Kingdom and that puts Him in control and me to follow His directions.

  163. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    July 21, 2019 at 11:23 am

    The Politics of Jesus and Paul.

    Certainly though they were very different men, with very different agendas for their lives.

    Matthew 26:39 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

    Luke 22:42 42″Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

    Matthew 26:42 42He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

    Matthew 20:22 22″You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered.

    John 18:11 11 Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”

    Mark 14:36 36″Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

    In these verses I see how Jesus asked the Father to take the cup from Him yet ultimately He knew that He had to do His Father’s will.

    “You Are My King”

    I’m forgiven because you were forsaken
    I’m accepted, You were condemned
    I’m alive and well
    Your spirit is within me
    Because you died and rose again

    I’m forgiven because you were forsaken
    I’m accepted, you were condemned
    I’m alive and well
    Your spirit is within me
    Because you died and rose again

    Amazing love, how can it be?
    That you, my king. would die for me
    Amazing love, I know it’s true
    Its my joy to honor you
    Amazing love how can it be?
    That my king would die for me
    Amazing love I know it’s true
    Its my joy to honor you
    In all I do
    I honor you

    I’m forgiven because you were forsaken
    I’m accepted, you were condemned
    I’m alive and well
    Your spirit is within me
    Because you died and rose again

    Amazing love how can it be
    That you, my king would die for me
    Amazing love, I know its true
    It’s my joy to honor you
    Amazing love how can it be?
    That you, my king, would die for me
    Amazing love, I know its true
    Its my joy to honor you
    In all I do I honor you

    You are my king
    You are my king
    Jesus, You are my king
    Jesus, You are my king

    Amazing love, how can it be?
    That you, my king, would die for me
    Amazing love, I know it’s true
    Its my joy to honor you
    Amazing love, how can it be?
    That you, my king would die for me
    Amazing love I know it’s true
    Its my joy to honor you
    In all I do I honor you
    In all I do honor you

  164. jeff1 says:

    My Father’s Side

    Verse: 1
    Just a young boy in the temple on day,
    shared with the doctors they were so amazed,
    never had they seem one so young speak so swift,
    they asked him many questions the conversation went like this.

    Chorus:
    What’s your name son, on my mother’s side my name is Jesus,
    but on my father’s side they call me Emmanuel,
    how old are you, on my mother’s side now I’m twelve years,
    but on my father’s side I’ve just always been,
    where are you from, on my mother’s side I’m from Bethlehem,
    but on my father’s side it’s new Jerusalem,
    what’s your plan, on my mother’s side I’ll be crucified,
    but on my father’s side in three days I’ll arise and I’ll sit at my father’s side.

    Verse: 2
    He was the son of God yet the son of man,
    and I can’t help but wonder how Joseph must have felt,
    through an open door that day he heard his son reply,
    he said you see I’m the king of kings, that’s on my father’s side.

  165. jeff1 says:

    The Praying Hands

    The “Praying Hands” are much, much more
    than just a work of art,
    They are the “soul’s creation”
    of a deeply thankful heart-
    They are a Priceless Masterpiece
    that love alone could paint,
    And they reveal the Selflessness
    of an unheralded saint-
    These hands so scarred and toilworn,
    tell the story of a man
    Who sacrificed his talent
    in accordance with God’s Plan-
    For in God’s Plan are many things
    man cannot understand,
    But we must trust God’s judgment
    and be guided by His Hand-
    Sometimes He asks us to give up
    our dreams of happiness,
    Sometimes we must forgo our hopes
    of fortune and success,
    Not all of us can triumph
    or rise to heights of fame,
    And many times What Should Be Ours,
    goes to Another Name-
    But he who makes a sacrifice,
    so another may succeed,
    Is indeed a true disciple,
    of our blessed Saviour’s creed-
    For when we “give ourselves away”
    in sacrifice and love,
    We are “laying up rich treasures”
    in God’s kingdom up above-
    And hidden in gnarled, toilworn hands
    is the truest Art of Living,
    Achieved alone by those who’ve learned
    the “Victory of Giving”-
    For any sacrifice on earth
    made in the dear Lord’s name,
    Assures the Giver of a Place
    in Heaven’s Hall of Fame-
    And who can say with certainty
    Where the Greatest Talent Lies,
    Or Who Will Be The Greatest
    In Our Heavenly Father’s Eyes!

  166. SFDBWV says:

    I remember back there during the big hubbub of the Beatles invasion and many of the young world falling in love with them and their music.

    I didn’t like them and I didn’t like their music.

    Then when John Lennon stated they were more popular than Jesus I realized in part why.

    There was a spirit arising and becoming more influential and I did not belong to it, was not a part of it and wanted nothing to do with it.

    Culturally, politically and religiously the world was in a season of change and not for the better.

    If it is possible for you to separate yourself from the hold any of these influences has on you and set back and just observe, what might you see?

    I have seen countless cartoons of a bearded man setting on a mountain top and some sojourner climbing up to ask of him what was the meaning of life.

    Usually with some off color answer meant to be a joke.

    But unless you do as the bearded man and totally separate yourself from the influences and trappings of the world your view is skewed by the things that “possess” you.

    Most of us must have money in order to have somewhere to live and something daily to eat.

    Politically you might then see a dependence on the powers that are in control of your “money”. Whereas spiritually you might discover that God can and will provide for your every need using the politics of your surroundings in order to do so.

    He may even take from the treasury of you enemies and give to you so that your needs are met.

    It always comes down to believing and trusting God first in your moral interpretations and your dealing with this world. In truth with every decision you make and in every circumstance you find yourself in.

    Such an attitude in you becomes your politics. Jesus of Nazareth, the God of the Bible first and everything else falls in line, your worries covered by a spiritual power you can see if you open your eyes and look for it.

    In truth you will see it better down here among the people, instead of up on the mountain top, where the air is thinner.

    Steve

  167. jeff1 says:

    Life is easy, when you’re up on the mountain
    And you’ve got peace of mind, like you’ve never known
    But things change, when you’re down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for you’re never alone
    For the God on the mountain, is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day is still God in the night
    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    Talk comes so easy when life’s at its best
    Now down in the valleys, of trials and temptations
    That’s where your faith, is really put to the test
    For the God on the mountain is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  168. jeff1 says:

    One more step along the world I go,
    One more step along the world I go;
    From the old things to the new,
    Keep me travelling along with you:
    And it’s from the old I travel to the new;
    Keep me travelling along with you.

    Round the corners of the world I turn,
    More and more about the world I learn;
    All the new things that I see
    You’ll be looking at along with me.
    And it’s from the old I travel to the new;
    Keep me travelling along with you.

    As I travel through the bad and good,
    Keep me travelling the way I should.
    Where I see no way to go,
    You’ll be telling me the way, I know.
    And it’s from the old I travel to the new;
    Keep me travelling along with you.

    Give me courage when the world is rough,
    Keep me loving though the world is tough;
    Leap and sing in all I do,
    Keep me travelling along with you:
    And it’s from the old I travel to the new;
    Keep me travelling along with you.

    You are older than the world can be,
    You are younger than the life in me;
    Ever old and ever new,
    Keep me travelling along with you:
    And it’s from the old I travel to the new;
    Keep me travelling along with you.

  169. SFDBWV says:

    I love you Viv, thanks for the smiles.

    steve

  170. jeff1 says:

    I love you too Steve and happy I can make you smile. I have been smiling more myself of late which beats the gloominess that often overwhelms me.

    I will tell you what happened me last Saturday which made me smile. There is a local woman who comes into the charity shop where I work and we have talked on various occasions and she remembered both my mum and my dad.

    We were talking about plants as she was looking at a pot holder and wondering whether to buy it and I suggested that it was pretty and decorative without a plant and she said that she did not keep plants any longer but she reminded me as she had spoken of it to me before that she still had the ‘Star of Bethlehem’ which my grandmother had given her a slip of some 30+ years ago.

    I love how God just turns up when I need Him to.

  171. poohpity says:

    Regina, It seems you have grown so much in your relationship with the Lord from your first comments on here. It is remarkable. PTL!

    That sculpture reminds me of what the world would have us be so devoid of our individuality that we meld into each other while God embraces our differences/uniqueness and is better represented by a group of people holding hands walking side by side instead of a mash of people hard to tell one from the other.

    In ODB for today was the story of Joseph and how he held on to his uniqueness when surrounded by people who worshiped all kinds of different gods but he stayed true to his God and acted accordingly no matter if it meant being thrown into prison. High in character, integrity and morals even as a slave in a foreign country with differing politics than he was brought up with, betrayed by even his own brothers. He kept his eyes on the Lord and did his best in the circumstances he found himself in. God rewarded that by bringing him from a slave to a faithful leader in the midst tribulation, trials and sorrows. Joseph never seemed to lose hope in his faithful God.

  172. poohpity says:

    It seems we often look at life and others through this tiny keyhole of our perception and through the environment and circumstance we are placed in rather than expanding that keyhole into door of wonder that there is more to everything than we know. You can not walk into any place or thinking from a tiny keyhole which seems to be how most governments rule without knowledge or understanding of the people they say they represent. God rules from understanding the people and they are His major concern so unlike the political arena.

  173. bratimus says:

    Well Steve, the Beatles are a little bit before my time,in I saying that. Not a big fan of them or their music, not a big fan of music from the 60’s or 70’s like some from the 80’s and on. When it comes to music I have to be careful what I listen to.

    Viv brought up the cup, this is more of speculation on my part not written in stone. Jesus knew what going to the cross would mean and be done, the sacrifice would bring forgiveness for all who believed, Jesus also knew that the flip slide of it would bring judgement and condemnation for those that didn’t accept and believe. That what that pray might have been about, like I said speculation on my part, not written in stone. I wasn’t there, I’m still here.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  174. poohpity says:

    I speculate that Jesus knew exactly what He would have to endure before the cross and on the cross. He knew His flesh would be ripped open by the flogging till it was unrecognizable as human flesh and the suffocation and pain found in crucifixion. It would seem the only comfort in that was the outcome for the people He loved so dearly. He was after all born to die.

  175. Beloved says:

    Good morning all. Viv I really enjoyed your comments also. I just heard a new song by Casting Crowns that I love!

    Nobody
    Why You ever chose me
    Has always been a mystery
    All my life, I’ve been told I belong
    At the end of a line
    With all the other Not-Quites
    With all the Never-Get-It-Rights
    But it turns out they are the ones You were looking for
    All this time
    ‘Cause I’m just a nobody trying to tell everybody
    All about Somebody who saved my soul
    Ever since You rescued me, You gave my heart a song to sing
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    Moses had stage fright
    And David brought a rock to a sword fight
    You picked twelve outsiders nobody would’ve chosen
    And You changed the world
    Well, the moral of the story is
    Everybody’s got a purpose
    So when I hear that devil start talking to me, saying
    “Who do you think you are?” I say
    I’m just a nobody trying to tell everybody
    All about Somebody who saved my soul
    Ever since You rescued me, You gave my heart a song to sing
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    So let me go down, down, down in history
    As another blood-bought faithful member of the family
    And if they all forget my name, well, that’s fine with me
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    So let me go down, down, down in history (Go down in history)
    As another blood-bought faithful member of the family
    (It’s all I ever wanna be) And if they all forget my name, well, that’s fine with me
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus, yeah
    I’m just a nobody (Nobody)
    Trying to tell everybody
    All about Somebody
    Who saved my soul (Oh, saved my, saved my soul)
    Ever since You rescued me
    You gave my heart a song to sing (You gave me a song to sing)
    I’m living for the world to see
    Nobody but Jesus (Nobody but You, Lord)
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus
    I’m living for the world to see nobody but Jesus.

  176. jeff1 says:

    Thanks for the song Beloved.

  177. street says:

    The Politics of Jesus and Paul

    thinking of play, work, and service.

    thinking we play for fun,

    work for profit,

    serve out of love.

    thinking of the constraint of love that lead to a cross.

    many times we like the easy way, the fun way….thinking of the line in the movie star wars….give in to the dark side. sure right…i been down that road before and it is empty and futile. speaking of futile they say doing the right thing is futile…..only if there is no judgment and there is judgment and accusation all over the place. doing the right thing is futile if God doesn’t uphold His promises. living by promises in a condemned world and dying bodies. persevere press on, don’t turn back, your Savior Lives and will comfort and sustain you. when we are separated from the body our struggle with sin will be ended for good. make my day, make my millennia, make my eternity. maybe not “my” but His. new life.

  178. Beloved says:

    Politics of Jesus and Paul
    From CT:

    Recently our president made the latest in a long line of comments demeaning immigrants and minorities. The furor brings to mind two biblical prophets, both for their differences and for what they hold in common.

    Nathan was an advisor to the royal court and a messenger of God. He pronounced God’s covenant with David, supported the ascension of Solomon, and wrote histories of the legendary kings. The Bible rarely speaks positively of court prophets, who often serve as apologists for rulers who flout the will of God. Yet Nathan was a court prophet, and a good one. Most memorably, he approached King David and convicted him of his sin against Bathsheba and Uriah. Nathan might have lost his head. Instead he won a repentant king.

    John the Baptist is the very image of a wilderness prophet. His ministry raises a clarion cry in the desert, far from the center of political power. He wore a camel-hair shirt, ate locusts and honey, and heralded the kingdom of God. John the Baptist condemned the marriage of Herod Antipas. Unlike Nathan, he ultimately paid with his life.

    One was a court prophet and the other a wilderness prophet. One was welcome in the precincts of power. The other was not. What does this have to do with us today?

    Some of our readers voted for Trump, in enthusiastic support or in reluctant pragmatism. Others rejected him. Christianity Today should be a place where brothers and sisters in Christ reason with one another passionately and charitably. Let’s seek to understand as much as we seek to be understood.

    As for me, I wonder if we have too many court prophets in an era when wilderness prophets are needed. I also wonder if our court prophets are willing to call out sin when they see it. Whether you view Trump as a David or an Antipas, whether you serve at the court of the resplendent king or stand over against the court from the wilderness, one thing Nathan and John the Baptist held in common was that both were willing to condemn unrighteousness in their rulers—even if it cost them everything.

    The racial inflection of our political drama adds deeper significance to the moment. White Christians have a long and lamentable history of silence (or worse) when people of color are under attack. On the one hand, I sense today an authentic desire among white Christians to build bridges of relationship and reconciliation with their friends and neighbors of other ethnicities.

    On the other hand, I sense a profound frustration among non- white Christian friends that their white brethren keep silent as the president aims ugly and demeaning statements at people of color. These friends don’t like what the silence of the white church is saying, and neither do we.

    If white Christians wish to stand on the bridge with brothers and sisters of other colors and backgrounds, they need to stand with them first in the foxhole. We should all stand so close that attacks on “them” are attacks on “us,” until there is no longer a distinction between “them” and “us” remaining. If we abandon our sister in the foxhole, we cannot expect her to attend our potluck.

    So let us not be silent.
    We are not captive to political party.
    We are accountable to a higher authority.

    We expect better of our leaders, and we stand in the foxholes with our brothers and sisters when they are taking fire. We hope court prophets and wilderness prophets alike, and Christians of all political persuasions, will speak the truth and stand with those who suffer unjustly.

    Timothy Dalrymple is president and CEO of Christianity Today.

  179. Beloved says:

    Caps: go into your phones “keyboard” and you can activate caps lock.

  180. Beloved says:

    Street I can relate to your comment of giving in to the dark side. I remember how I struggled for several years after becoming a believer (at 30) with going back to what was well known but not good by any standard. What dark years they were but Christ always held out the light to find my way back. I read “A Long Obedience In the Same Direction” by author of The Message bible at age 50 which was a great encouragement and direction at the time. Now it’s finally imprinted on my heart so no more an issue. Never turn back, lest you become once again a heart of stone, like lots wife.

  181. street says:

    thinking about court. many courts, legal courts, public courts, private courts, supreme court, and then there’s God’s Court. seems like many do court without God. some are revealed early and some are revealed later. no court can exist apart from God’s Grace. every decision rendered will be accountable to God. it there that things get real interesting. A God Who says Vengeance is Mine. seems like justice mercy and humility are in short supply in the world? maybe not. are they in short supply in the court of your heart? love fulfills the law, yet it’s price is very high. like the one song that asked for the heart to be sealed for thy Court above. Ephesians 2

  182. bratimus says:

    Actually Jesus was born to be Glorified to be placed at the right hand of God!!!

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  183. poohpity says:

    I was hesitant to respond Beloved to the article you posted but for CT to stand up for propaganda and people that are trying to lead our country into socialism and hate as the Squad has against our Constitution, against the men and women who enforce our laws, they stand up for the people who killed so many on 9/11, etc.

    It is a very sad thing when even the CT calls out that the President is against people of color when the only thing he has against them is policy not the color of their skin but what they are shouting so loud(The Squad). It is them as well as the media that puts racial slurs against anyone who believes differently than they do. They can not stand on their polices but turn people against him by false accusation as they do for anyone who disagrees with them. If one puts a racial spin on what is going on it takes the attention off of what The Squad is preaching and causing in our country but notice they never offer solutions to any problems not on Capital Hill nor in their own home towns and they also excel themselves in hate, racial slurs and prejudices.

    Everyone who disagrees with them is a racist but to me everyone who disagrees with them is intelligent and wise and it has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their religion but the thoughts that come from their minds. People throw racist around so much they actually do not even know what it means anymore.

    I do write to the President often about his tweeting all the time just as I write to my Congress people to let them know what bills I would like them to vote for and I am involved in the hometown meetings with my Representative in my district. I fully believe that being active in what “We the People” actually means rather than complaining and grumbling about what is going on, I take action instead.

    I am not the same party as the President but I am a Christ following American and do not believe everything the media touts as it seems that “Timothy Dalrymple president and CEO of Christianity Today” is doing. :-(

  184. Beloved says:

    Pooh I noticed many devils advocates posting on this article on FB.

  185. Beloved says:

    Your theology says if all sins are under the blood —that God doesn’t see them because of Jesus- than it makes sense that calling out even so-called Christian leaders because of sin is wrong to you. As I’ve said many times, Arminianism I can’t agree with, at all. Perhaps you should add your response to the FB post instead of wasting our time here. Knowing well how you think as we all do. But then it’s my choice to read or not! I need to briskly walk it off.

  186. phpatato says:

    Thinking of you Steve and Bubbles. Steve, I know you said you have been dealing with FEMA on the flooding in your area not long ago and I understand that there is a flash flooding watch in effect for today/tonight over a large swath of area including W. VA. My prayer for you both is that your basements stays dry and I hope the towns where you both live are spared as well.

    The cooler weather in the forecast will be for a lot of people a welcomed relief. I love the heat. The more days there are, the happier I am.

    Pat xo

  187. Beloved says:

    Sorry my cranky old self came out here. Please forgive me.

  188. bubbles says:

    Pat, thank you. The only places that floods where I am are low lying places. I don’t have a basement Hope Steve’s area is safe today. It has rained four times today and is currently pouring. It’s been extremely rainy this summer and is depressing. I think we have had five sunny days since June 1. Then I feel guilty for letting the weather get me down. It’s selfish. But we wait all winter for summer and then it’s constant overcast skies and rain.

  189. poohpity says:

    Well again Beloved that is how you think through your little keyhole not me. If I do not think it is up to me to call out the sin in others unless I am close enough to them to go personally to gently discuss it with them for restoration purposes, instead of broadcasting it in the public as did those who condemned the woman of adultery and similar to how Nathan talked to David. If as I read what was actually tweeted, the facts, by the President instead of what is reported by the Squad or the media which was in no way racist. I like facts not lies told to ignite public anger or mob mentality.

  190. Beloved says:

    He has many many others wrapped around his little finger so you are not alone. Those around him often try to fix his public remarks whether tweeted or out of his mouth as recorded by ALL media and heard in person by those at his speaking engagements. President manipulator has his people all around him or they are gone if they disagree with him. I’m sure he enjoys your letters very much. But as someone said, God is ruler yet! We all know how dark his mind is and the battles he must be going through IF he has repented and wants to change. Time will tell. He’s somehow got to get over him SELF to die to sin. Christ has shown us the Way, I’m sure he has a Bible sitting around somewhere.

  191. Beloved says:

    So unless whatever book, teacher, God or gods we use for our spirituality can transform our approach to religion and politics into something good for one another-

    Oh Mart this is quite the challenge. It almost sounds like a universal approach to whatever we WANT to believe or follow. Jesus and Paul were both very clear about the differences between followers and the not-followers. Yes it is good to know Jesus and good to share that. He is the only one who has the words of life! As Peter I think said. Maybe my approach needs work, just thinking.

  192. jeff1 says:

    I am thinking how angry I got with our politicians when they could not agree to govern but God has a way of making me rethink and it was my son who said politicians do not have an easy job and I should give them credit instead of being critical.

    My son’s more considerate approach made me realize that I had become harsh in my judgment and so though I will never be politically minded or driven I have stopped listening to all the bad press which I realize can be misleading.

    Its best to put it in God’s hands and pray and hope for them rather then condemning them and it makes me feel more at peace in the process.

  193. bubbles says:

    After reading Mart’s thoughts again I agree with him about avoiding public talk of politics. The discussion of spiritual beliefs and politics divide because they are topics that most all have very deep feelings of care. When one cares deeply for something, opinions are set in stone many times and tempers flare because we are passionate about our beliefs. In past years things appeared more black and white clear cut, but nowadays things aren’t so. Perhaps this is my perception as I am older now. I don’t know. An older and wise friend said in the 1960s people were concerned about a certain leader for reasons that did not materialize. The pendulum will swing the other way sooner or later, they will be blamed for things, people will get upset and then it will swing back. I have strong feelings about certain things, but I air them only with close family so as to not incite anger or arguments that cannot be won.

    I think one thing that has been overlooked in recent years is that Christians need to PRAY, PRAY, PRAY for those in authority in all areas. It is easier to pray for those we respect; it’s easier to prey on those with whom we disagree and disrespect. Respect or not, God has told us to pray for those in authority. I need to pray more diligently for leaders than I have been.

    As far as spiritual things, again, people think and believe certain ways about things and it is difficult to change people’s ways of thinking even when using Scripture to convince them. I’ve been told that people have been “brainwashed” into thinking certain ways even though Scripture is given and they come back with things like they doubt interpretation of Scripture. I believe that comment to be a cop out to defend their wrong thinking and to make them feel superior. Arguments cannot be won and all that will result are hurt feelings and strife. It’s not worth expending emotional energy with arguments.

  194. cbrown says:

    Dear all, I think you could say that I am in the foxholes with my brothers and united in Spirit and we have discussed politics from time to time in our Bible study. The “Christianity Today” article is over the top ridiculous. As the inmates in the bible study say “I unerstand what President Trump is saying”.

  195. cbrown says:

    I apologize for the previous post but I was disturbed by the opinion expressed by “Christianity Today.”

  196. SFDBWV says:

    Chris I personally have had repeated issues with “Christianity Today” and as a result sometimes simply delete from my email instead of bothering to use up my limited time reading their opinion on things.

    An old passed Christian apologist once stated that he would rather do business with an honest businessman, than one claiming to be “Christian”. One being an honest dealer the other using a name to pull you in.

    The Holy Spirit continues to give us discernment, glad to see you listen to Him.

    Steve

  197. SFDBWV says:

    Pat I also thank you for your concern. Ever since the morning of July 1 every time it rains or we hear thunder it is un-nerving and relief only comes when the rain stops.

    Yesterday it rained almost an inch (0.97) in 4 hours, not so bad, but if it had kept up we would have begun to have problems, thank God it stopped.

    I am still dealing with the Army Corps of Engineers with regards to our flood control levee and with FEMA, Homeland Security and the State Department of Highways all relevant to the flooding issues encountered here.

    It is enormously frustrating as all of the agencies politically in place to ensure our safety and quality of life fail us in their intended purpose and all that ensues from any disaster is a fight to get anything accomplished by us the victims.

    It all comes down to a simple equation, if people need help, help them. However it don’t work that way, not in our world where decisions are always made around money instead of need.

    Bless you Pat and thank you again for your love and concern.

    Steve

  198. poohpity says:

    I fully believe that I will never shoot a pilot when he/she is flying the plane that I am a passenger on. Nor will I accuse them of thinking things or motivations that have the worst in mind for not only the pilot but the passengers because we are all on the same plane. I do not know how it is humanly possible to know what another human being is thinking or what their motivation is but can only be seen by their actions and this current Pres has fulfilled more promises than I have ever witnessed by any sitting Pres before.

    I so embraced what you said bubbles; ” It is easier to pray for those we respect; it’s easier to prey on those with whom we disagree and disrespect. Respect or not, God has told us to pray for those in authority.”

    The media and some politicians prey on people by leading people down a path to think things that are not true because they know people follow blindly without doing any research or questioning their words or actions. One of the first and wisest things I ever learned in college was to check out the source of who is writing something to find what their biases are before I give any weight to anything they write.

    Beloved, knowing that you have biases against me I know that anything you write about me or to me is filled with ugliness. You have no idea what I think about Pres Trump just as you have no idea how I think about anything because again you do not know me at all. It comes from who you are inside as is with most accusers they accuse others of things they are guilty of themselves, just look around at the politicians and media that accuse Pres Trump of not following the law yet he and his cabinet are the one’s who are actually following the laws of the land while the accuser aren’t but are promoting lawlessness.

    The same laws that were put into effect during the past three administrations were fine if it was one of them enforcing them but if this Pres does the same as they did he is preyed upon. There is something very wrong with this picture but people have to be wise enough to notice so they are not subjected to the propaganda and lies perpetrated against our current Pres.

  199. poohpity says:

    When the President said, “Send them home” speaking of the “Squad” he is smart enough to know their homes are; Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. But again what did they do for the places they came from, what changes did they make there, what problems did they solve before they came to DC stirring up and causing more problems than they solve? Think about it!

  200. poohpity says:

    Now remember if you say anything against those four you are racist rather than being intelligent or wise.

  201. jeff1 says:

    Right In The Middle

    Well he’s right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s going to be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

    Have you ever seen a valley thought you’d never make it through
    Ever had a mountain steep impossible to do
    Every seen a stormy thought would get the best of you
    Just call him in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

    When I’m looking at the hardest moments of my life
    I realize that He was always by my side
    Though I couldn’t see in this heart of mine
    God was in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

    You search high, you search low, but God is with you everywhere you go
    Don’t you know he’s in the middle of it all, the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all
    Yes he’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

  202. Beloved says:

    Early on we learn that religion and politics are two subjects that intrigue, animate, identify and divide us.

    You are so right Viv! God IS in the middle of it all, thankfully! God bless you all here today!

  203. Beloved says:

    12And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

  204. Beloved says:

    Thinking of biases….we all have them of course. My question is this, of those who read the article in CT how many of you first asked God what He thought of it? We know God is not biased as far as color race nationality; or do we? The only thing He is biased against is sin. Harmony and order is of His kingdom. The opposite is not. Of His kingdom there shall be no end. Peace to all.

  205. bratimus says:

    What article our you all talking about.

  206. Beloved says:

    Beloved says:
    July 22, 2019 at 11:39 am
    Politics of Jesus and Paul
    From CT:

  207. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, if we all have biases then surely that says we are as much part of the problem rather then the solution.

    My dad said you have to choose to be on God’s side but my dad did not involve himself in politics and could see right through their games and was vocal about a religious leader who was a political leader and how he should take of the clergy’s collar.

    He warned me against listening to political and religious leaders and I thought those leaders knew better than him but I have since learned they did not because my dad has always seeked God given truths rather than man driven ones.

    God is strict about discipleship and I can see now why and my dad knew God because he put him before country or culture and that is very clear to me now but not back then.

  208. poohpity says:

    Beloved did you ask the Lord about the article before you brought it forward to here? Or did you find someone who agreed with your thoughts but not those of God? Does it bring harmony and order to God’s kingdom? No it does not!

    Also do you even know what the verses you copied in the 10:41am comment were speaking to or about? Isn’t it directed towards those are doing the Lord’s work of spreading the Gospel? At the end of where those verses are it says, 1 Thess 5:21-22 NLT That alone goes against the article in CT because it is promoting division and biases saying nothing to build up or encourage the body but the writers own opinion.

  209. bratimus says:

    Casting Crowns another Good song “The Voice of Truth”

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

    P.S. Is it all articles in CT or one particular Title/headline

  210. Beloved says:

    The one I pasted on my comment as posted earlier.

  211. bratimus says:

    Romans 13:1-14

    Isn’t this part of Paul’s politics

    The U.S.A is a nation governed by laws, that is how the U.S.A. is suppose to work. There are immigration laws in place in the U.S.A.. What it comes down to is some in congress don’t want these laws enforced, at the same time don’t want to legislate new laws about immigration, so they want to rule arbitrarily. Some in congress and other political leaders put out pamphlets to give to illegal immigrants to subvert the laws already in place.

    Trump did have one thing right, the the origin Country’s until they start following the laws they have in place the immigration problem won’t stop, because what I have read these country’s do have laws but no one enforces them.

    This isn’t political, this is Truth

    In the name of Christ

    Bratimus

  212. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Thank you for your compliment, pooh… PTL, indeed! I thank God for the spiritual wisdom that He’s given me… As with everyone else, it was process. I learned much of what I (now) know to be true in the “school of hard knocks.” I don’t mind admitting that I used to be a fool. When I was younger, I was more interested in carnal pursuits than I was in spiritual. I’m ((SO)) thankful that God was patient with me, and (now) having the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) in my heart, mind, soul and (even my) body is truly a pearl of great price to me.

    Have been reading some of the comments on this really good blog topic, and (wow) there’s so much food for thought on here. I don’t really know where to start.

    Mart said, “Early on we learn that religion and politics are two subjects that intrigue, animate, identify and divide us.”

    I totally agree with what Mart said, and I believe that it’s the “divisiveness” of religion and politics that grieves the heart of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Some people are “for” an organization or a person in high authority and some people are “against” one, the other or both. If Bible believing Christians can’t unite together and find common ground… can’t say to one another that “I don’t agree with you on this issue or matter, but I’m not going to allow how I feel about our inability to agree hinder or stop me from loving you the way Jesus wants me to love you” then that’s going to make it hard for us to “go make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…”

    When Bible believing Christians attack one another in their effort to sway one another to agree with their point of view. I always think to myself, “the world is watching.” And for people who don’t know the Lord or don’t have a strong relationship with Him, what they see and/or hear can be confusing. Unity among the brethren is at the beginners level of what Jesus is looking for from his disciples. Psalm 133:1-3, “How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity! It is like the precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down on the collar of his robe. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.” My thoughts for now…

    89 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  213. Beloved says:

    How good and pleasant to live in unity, indeed! Often the problem is that even within the church there is racial social injustice just as in Paul’s day. Remember the widows being excluded and gentile believers told they must be circumcised issues? Racism is a big problem amongst the church at large and if it’s not addressed-as Paul did-then how can the church grow into being the perfect Bride of Christ? For C T to bring up this issue is what a leader should do, no matter the beating bashing that comes with it.

    Sometimes as Mart says it’s good to not discuss such things in good natured company to keep peace. But sometimes, to save a victim or stop heresay things need to be said. I will be glad when this topic is done. Whew.

  214. cbrown says:

    Racism is not a big problem of the church at large!We live in a broken world and lack of faith in God and sin in the world are big problems. When the church takes it eye off it’s mission and looks to the secular world for it’s priorities it is not persuing God’s Kingdom on earth. Love to all.

  215. Beloved says:

    Thanks Chris I misspoke about racism in the body.

  216. jeff1 says:

    Known Only to Him

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then he tells me in my prayer
    It’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him

  217. Beloved says:

    Maybe the secular world cues the church where the love of God is most needed at a given time? Just a thought. Like rolling with the punches. But rolling with love care compassion and kindness.

  218. Beloved says:

    And always only with the Truth, Jesus.

  219. street says:

    For C T to bring up this issue is what a leader should do, no matter the beating bashing that comes with it.

    Jesus dealt with the problem one heart at a time. then the cross. thinking of the the scribes and pharisees how potent their response to Jesus words. yet Jesus grace was more potent. night and day. repentance and a cross are not easy, yet we are invited to take up Jesus yoke.

  220. street says:

    The Politics of Jesus and Paul

    thinking of the difference between the methodology and the message. i think division occurs between these two. yet there is unity in the body of Christ.

  221. Beloved says:

    Yes street Jesus met needs one on one. I’m referring to leaders as pastor teachers, Christian organizations, church conference teachers and the like. Those who teach/ train lead, like Paul.

  222. Beloved says:

    Methodology, that’s a good point. Whether one is a public speaker/leader as a president or a writer editor of a magazine there should be unity within the Body. How to do this is where it gets messy sometimes; not so much I don’t think with the leaders but among the rest of the Body. If both types of leaders are Christ followers.

  223. poohpity says:

    Jesus was falsely accused repeatedly and I also know what it feels like to be falsely accused repeatedly. I guess that is why I make sure to listen to what others say closely so that does not happen. The media and the left accused the President of saying, “Go back to your country” when that was not what he said but even when people carefully reprinted what he tweeted they still persist in repeating the false statement. “Go back home” was the tweet not “Go back to your country” and I mentioned earlier I gave the home to each of his accusers, just disagreement with those 4 he was accused of being racist because no matter what color they are or their religious beliefs they still are against our American values and want to change our Republic to socialism. It is not racism to disagree with anyone but that is what the left most often falls back on when they can not support their ideology.

    Like I said now-a-days when someone disagrees with anyone they are racist, xenophobic, homophobic and the list goes on rather than just agreeing to disagree.

  224. poohpity says:

    Regina, without the Lord when going through the school of hard knocks it seems people can become bitter rather than better with the help of the Lord. ;-)

  225. jeff1 says:

    I recall when a young British soldier said to me that for a country of Christians we sure knew how to hate each other.

    It’s a fine line between love and hate as I have discovered.

    Being a believer in Jesus does not make me a follower of His and I should know as I spent my younger life rebelling.

    I have not been seeking God’s purpose for my life and perhaps why I am not coming from where the rest of you are coming.

    I also have not come to trust in God through my knowledge of the Bible but because I have seen the futility of a political and religious war.

    What I have learned is that I cannot control the media or the powers that be nor can I be sure that they have God’s intentions at heart.

    I have to use my own discernment while on this earth and often I will get it wrong.

    It is why I seek refuge in Christ knowing that God understands my desire to do what is right is not always going to be right in a secular world.

    I cannot do the impossible nor does God asked me to as He has already done that in ‘Christ Jesus’ and why He asks me to focus on Him.

    When I focus on Jesus I take my eyes not only off my own self interests but the complexity of a world that has followed its own God’s and the consequences of which I see all too well.

    This world is proof that the Bible gets it right.

    This world is God’s stage and He is the great Director.

    It is in seeing this that I know trusting God is a much better choice and in His wisdom he has given me Jesus to reassure me that His love for me does not change even though I will no doubt fail and disappoint Him at times but He is a greater God then all our failures and I have lived with my own failings and seen enough of others to know that it is God who is omniscient over all and for that I am truly grateful.

    Great Is Thy Faithfulness

    Great is Thy Faithfulness, O God my Father
    There is no shadow of turning with Thee
    Thou changes not, Thy compassions, they fail not
    As Thou hast been, Thou forever will be

    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth
    And Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide
    Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow
    Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside

    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

  226. foreverblessed says:

    “Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me”

    That is true for me, and that is true for the person that I see as antagonistic.

    God’s mercies are forever.

    I have been busy listening to the discover the word series on Galatians, “It’s all about Grace”

    And this topic is about the politics of Jesus and Paul. In Galatians Paul is very very strong onn his point on how to view Judaism. It seems that he is hard on the Judaizers, but listening to the program, you can see the love in his heart, also for the judaizers, as he was one of them, and God loved him anyway. But he has harsh words.

    Law abiding people

    Living under Grace

    You cannot live a little bit under the Law, the Law is all consuming, if you take one part, it will devour you.

    Living under Grace is the way Paul points out.

    And I cannot expect my fellow countrymen to live under Grace. So do I then point out to the law?

    With Bubbles is say:

    Let’s pray more, Pray a lot,

    Pray even more, as there is great danger. Great chaos coming over the free world.

    And we stay in our Bubble—- In Jesus Christ’s Bubble

    In His peace, His grace, His mercy, protected by a wall of faith, Ephesians 6:10-12

  227. foreverblessed says:

    Ephesians 6:10-20

    10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

  228. foreverblessed says:

    This is a christians website, not a political website.
    We are part of the Kingdom that is from above.

    We pray the Lord’s prayer,
    Let it be on earth as it is in heaven,
    So by praying we draw heaven to earth
    We are on earth, but our citizenship is in heaven

    Yesterday we had a worker in the house, who had to look at our internet connection, it seems the internet cable is getting old, but the guy’s name was Isa.
    He had a middle eastern look, from Turky or from Marocco.
    I asked him: where does that name come from:
    Isaac he said!
    Isaac the son of the free woman Gal 5:23
    The son born of the free woman was born as a result of a promise.
    And then I asked him, why not Ishmael?
    seeing that his parents were from a muslim country.
    He said: How nice that you ask that, my second name is Ishmael. And then he showed me his name-tag, and it had written on it: Ishmael

    The son of the slave woman was born in an ordinary way
    And I started to pray for this man, very very intensively. While I was talking to him.
    GOd, let him be the son of the free woman.
    God put your mark on him, and do not let him go. Bless this man, and his family.
    No words came in my mind to say to him, so I kept praying for him.

  229. foreverblessed says:

    21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

    24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

    “Be glad, barren woman,
    you who never bore a child;
    shout for joy and cry aloud,
    you who were never in labor;
    because more are the children of the desolate woman
    than of her who has a husband.”[a]

    28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[b] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
    Gal 4:21-31

  230. foreverblessed says:

    Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
    Revelation 21:1-4

  231. foreverblessed says:

    We are under the new order, and we bring heaven down to earth,

    By praying, and by admonishing one another to speak in a decent manner.
    And that also counts for a president.
    We now have Boris Johnson in England, and he speaks often in a rude tone. Very rude.
    Rude talk,
    That is not bringing heaven down to earth.

    Oh, Lord, we have come into an era of rudeness, of populistic talk, stirring up a whole group of people letting them start to shout rude things. Stirring up unrest.

    Oh Lord, have mercy.
    Oh Lord, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing: Opening up a box of Pandora. Releasing the force that will not go back into the box without Your mercy.
    Oh Lord, please be with e government of the US, the leader of the free world, with the White House staff, give them peace, give them direction. Be with them. Do not let them go out of Your sight.
    Please shine with Your Light, the Light of the Gospel of Jesus on them.

    Please God, add to this prayer anything that I do not know how to say it, but I pray a blessing on all You do.
    In Jesus’s name I pray

  232. jeff1 says:

    Forever, to my way of thinking it is God who will bring heaven to earth and He may very well use Boris Johnston and President Trump to do it as I think they are cut from the same cloth.

    Just my observation, but God knows what He is doing though I have to admit I am very much in the dark as it seems God likes surprises.

  233. poohpity says:

    There is a big difference between Johnson and Trump. Johnson went from being a journalist to a politician and Trump went from being a builder who created things and jobs by solving problems to President who is trying to build up our country by solving problems. Neither person is a savior nor should we consider them as such, there is only One Savior. I can not expect them as I do not expect any of you nor myself to live a life free from sin, faults, failures and that is the reason that grace is so totally remarkable.

    If I can not expect myself to be free from sins, faults and failures then why do I expect others to? I think that comes in when I do not see or admit in myself sin, faults or failures but seem to be more aware of those things in others.

    What brings people to want to know about Jesus? It is when we can show forgiveness without them asking for it, showing grace when we know they do not deserve it, being filled with joy and peace in a troubling world, showing patience, being humble, minding our own business, avoiding gossip and slander and yes praying before we act, speak, write and in all things being grateful for all that God has done and is going to do.

  234. poohpity says:

    Jesus prayed for us in John 17;

    “Now I am coming to you. I told them many things while I was with them in this world so they would be filled with my joy. 14 I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 15 I’m not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one. 16 They do not belong to this world any more than I do. 17 Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I am sending them into the world. 19 And I give myself as a holy sacrifice for them so they can be made holy by your truth.

    20 “I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message.

  235. Beloved says:

    Forever good to hear from you as always. Good reminder you have to pray for others while speaking with them! A devotional also reminds me to not be so independent as to forget to pray for church leaders, also a good reminder as I leave for Bible study soon. I think the more we pray the less we are concerned about what people are saying about others. Thinking of leaders also. Thank you Jesus for getting my mind on what’s best. You!

  236. Beloved says:

    In a world filled with politics the admonition to “Be still, and know that I am God” still prevails in the hearts and minds of His people.

  237. jeff1 says:

    It is very true they are no different than ourselves in their humanness and have each very different countries to lead but I do see there are similarities in their behaviours today irrespective of their different backgrounds.

    I am less critical of politicians since my son convinced me their jobs are not an easy one and so prayer seems more needed than condemnation especially since I have not given Mr Johnston a chance to demonstrate his leadership.

    God has used many in the Bible whose backgrounds and behaviours left a lot to be desired so God is full of surprises it seems.

    I think C. S. Lewis is right when he says we should not behave as if God has nothing else to do but exist because as the song says:

    Well he’s right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s going to be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of your darkest night
    Right in the middle of your hardest fight
    Don’t ever doubt it’s gonna be all right
    He’s right in the middle of it all
    Right in the middle of it all

  238. street says:

    If I can not expect myself to be free from sins, faults and failures then why do I expect others to? I think that comes in when I do not see or admit in myself sin, faults or failures but seem to be more aware of those things in others.

    the grace of the cross. we are free in Christ Jesus. new headship. not fun to take up the cross daily. given the grace and mercy daily to do so. it’s in this abundance of grace and mercy that we can give to others. when love joy peace patience kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self control are missing, sin can’t be far away. if we are not our own things will get crazy from our own perspective. a new life and a new perspective?

  239. street says:

    Oswald Chambers is good today 7/24/2019

  240. SFDBWV says:

    “To be or not to be? That is the question.”

    That quote came to mind as I sat down here to perhaps share some comment. Odd isn’t it how words or comments can evoke some idea out of seeming nowhere.

    The question of the hour is can we as Christian’s exist in a world and yet not be a part of it?

    The truth remains that not a single one of us can exist without interacting with the world around us. Eden is hidden from us in spite of the fact people think they can somehow return to it or recreate it.

    Somewhere in all the thoughts that pop up in our reading or listening experience is the idea that “all politics are local”.

    Local perhaps because our political thoughts begin right here at home.

    Here in the USA our money has printed on it “In God We Trust”. That came about as a result of as a nation our political leaders ask God to heal our economy and to provide prosperity for all citizens. In agreement with a Christian based populous citizenry that believed in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and the hope that God would indeed “bless America”.

    God has so blessed America that we have become the envy of the world as well as the place of choice to live.

    These things I speak of are a combination of Christian religion and politics influenced by it.

    The two together provide for a better quality of life for its citizens.

    So is it actually possible to separate yourselves completely from the political world you live in?

    I suppose you can try to live on top of that mountain naked and try to subsist on fruits, berries, bugs, and grass, but I don’t think you will last long unless God has put you there and provides for your every need supernaturally.

    So if you try to fully separate yourself from the world around you, be certain that it is God’s choice for you and not your attempt to obey one verse of Scripture, literally.

    67 degrees under a clear blue sky.

    Steve

  241. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I think more to the point is that God does not expect us to separate ourselves as He does not put those kind of burdens on us.

    He asks us to keep our minds and hearts on His truths so that we use good discernment and look different in our attitudes and in how we conduct ourselves i.e. patient, compassionate, long suffering etc.

    It is this world and religions that make demands of us and so I have to keep focused on ‘Jesus’ for strength, encouragement and stability otherwise I can get sucked into the worlds standards and I am no longer looking any different to those who are not seeking God’s ways.

  242. bratimus says:

    So here another little something about me, I voted for one president I know for sure that was Reagan can’t remember if I voted in the general election for the first Bush or not. But around that time a thought or idea came to my mind.

    Who ever the elected official was, when voting for said person. “Would I want this person representing before the Throne of God in Heaven.” So whatever judgement was placed on this person, I would received because they were representing me. So this is why I stopped voting, then later on down the road mistakes lead to me not being able to vote.

    I’m not saying don’t vote, I know that I have to follow more rules then most, after all I choose Christ as who I want to represent me At God’s Throne in Heaven.

    What I’m sayings choose wisely, Hypothetically: The person you are voting for would you want them to represent you before God’s throne?

    This is why I try very hard to stay away from Politics, not saying politics doesn’t try to involve me or effect me. I would tell politics you might not want to involed me because I speak the truth to the best of my ability/abilities.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  243. Beloved says:

    In our bible study is a 91 year old lady that grew up and lived in Washington D C until a year ago, moving here to be closer to family. She loves Trump and prays for him and Congress all the time. Then I get home and find this :Submission to Authority
    13 nBe subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution,2 whether it be to the emperor3 as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him oto punish those who do evil and pto praise those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, qthat by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. 16 rLive as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but sliving as servants4 of God. 17 tHonor everyone. uLove the brotherhood. vFear God. Honor the emperor.

    So God is directing me in ways I never thought of in the futility of my mind. Loving His goodness to me and to all.

    Bratimus thanks for sharing your journey so far. Blessings to you!

  244. street says:

    The question of the hour is can we as Christian’s exist in a world and yet not be a part of it?

    20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

  245. jeff1 says:

    Without Him

    Without Him I could do nothing
    Without Him I?d surely fail
    Without Him I would be drifting
    Like a ship without a sail

    Without Him I would be dying
    Without Him I?d be enslaved
    Without Him life would be worthless
    But with Jesus thank God I’m saved

    Oh Jesus, oh Jesus
    Do you know Him today
    Please don’t turn Him away
    Oh Jesus, my Jesus
    Without Him how lost I would be
    Without Him how lost I would be

  246. bratimus says:

    Well I walk through God’s creation Earth, now the evil one has made a world on Earth that I don’t belong to or care much for. So through prayer, faith, hope and God’s love. God will keep the world away from me as I walk the Earth until it is made a new or I’m taken to heaven which ever, the world is not my home, I do dwell on this Earth for now.

    In Christ name

    Braticas

    P.S. No one belongs to the world that is the deception, people choose to live stupidly in it!!!

  247. Beloved says:

    Our leader brought up the old saying “Being too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good”. R C says there’s no such thing! I agree. Where in scripture does it say that? I only thought that of course. She’s not ready to receive it yet, but I prayed for her and thanked God for the teaching gifts He’s given her. Learning to be humble I am.

  248. Beloved says:

    I might just have to “like” as much as possible our president, after all what do I have to lose; the world?!! Ego, self, (sigh). But gaining obedience toward God is huge! As my BS leader says often.

  249. mtman says:

    I’m not sure what politics has to do with Christian faith. In John 15:19, 1 John 2:15 and John 17:14-16, it says we need to be in this world but not of this world. Politics is a world concept not a Christian concept and we must be above politics and trust that God is in charge not man. As Mart points out in his opening paragraph politics divides but it is as man divides not God. Perhaps I’m just a shallow thinker but as I see it in politics I’m only one person with one vote. I pray before I vote and trust God to do the rest. It just doesn’t seem complicated to me.
    Scratch the surface of politics in any form and corruptness will spew out. That in my humble opinion is not from God.

  250. jeff1 says:

    Religion also divides and why I have to be trusting God and not on my own understanding.

    I cannot know how God is working in the rest of the world as I have only glimpsed Him in my own life and so politics and religions are complicated to me and why I trust God and not on my own understanding because my understanding is on what I have learned from man and could be misleading as I see it.

    Those who have learned from the Bible will no doubt be coming from a different place.

  251. bratimus says:

    The thing about religion is it is made by man, religion is not of God. Religion is more of the world, some I should say.

    There are Churches of Christ, that go to filling the body of Christ. God wants to fill the body of Christ, God really doesn’t like religion it’s to political. Religion is the appearance of belief, just as politics is the appearance of leadership.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  252. jeff1 says:

    God does not love me any less for worshipping Him through my religion or that is what I believe.

    I see myself as a sinner saved by Grace as I have run from God all my life and I believe God will use me if He sees fit and that is all I need to understand as having had mental illness and at my late years it all gets too much for my head.

    God may not like religion but He sees those who worship through it and knows His own or He would not have drawn me to Him otherwise.

    God is into saving souls which is what I am a lost soul and that makes me qualified or else I have misunderstood completely what Jesus came for.

  253. jeff1 says:

    Religion in Northern Ireland is about being a Protestant or a Roman Catholic and I inherited mine and have stayed with it and that is not because I think I am a better christian for being a Protestant but because I don’t believe there is a perfect religion and so for me whether I worship God in a church or a chapel makes no difference to me as I am more concerned that I am His and that it pleases Him to see me bow down and worship Him.

    When I focus on God everything else becomes less important because that is when I am truly alone with Him and understands His ways are not mine nor anyone else’s for that matter.

    He is my reason for living
    Oh He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    I remember my days of darkness
    Without sunshine or sight to lead my way
    But a whisper of His voice softly calling
    To the arms of my Maker to stay

    He is my reason for living
    Oh, He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    After the lighting and thunder
    After the last bell has rung
    I want to bow down before Him
    And hear Him say “well done”

    He is my reason for living
    Oh He is the king of all kings
    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

    I long to be His possession
    Oh, He is my everything

  254. foreverblessed says:

    Beautiful song Jeff!

    Today is going to be a hot day! In western Europe it is very hot now.

    In our country there has never been a temperature of 40′ C. (104′ F)

    They expect it to happen today for the first time.

    And about all the rain that Steve and Bubbles have, it would really be nice if some of that water would end up here. Or in Arizona…

    Like in India, last week it was decided that trucks of water be brought to dry states of India, and a week later there is flooding, not in the dry states, but to show the differences.

    For the second year in a row it has been way to dry.

    Farmers are making great expenditures to have their land watered.

    While it is a real wet country, not as wet as Ireland though. Ireland must be the most wet country in western Europe.

    I was thinking of letting a waterpump being installed. To pump up water from 8 meters deep.

    In my part of the country we have deep under ground water flows, coming out of Belgium and flowing in the North Sea. They pump up that water, it is hundreds of meters deep. That water is thousands of years old, water that was rain then..

    Just to think about that.

    We have to make some effort to come to the well of water:

    The Holy Spirit flowing from Jesus, and we connecting to Him.

    Everyday again we say: Jesus, You are our Lord and Master, You are our Strength, besides You we have no thing.

    the above song of Jeff could be placed here now.

  255. foreverblessed says:

    Street, I too was impressed by my utmost from yesterday!

    “No one can make himself pure by obeying laws. Jesus Christ does not give us rules and regulations— He gives us His teachings which are truths that can only be interpreted by His nature which He places within us.”

    I am now following the study on Galatians by Discover the Word, with Mart de Haan, and friends.
    It is not about following rules:
    It is about surrendering to Jesus, after we have found out that Hhe is our Savior, the One who only can rescue us from this life that ends in death.
    Jesus Only can save us, and lead us, and fill us up.
    His Spirit in us, changes us, and makes us see what he meant by His teachings.

    So it is no wonder there are so many differences in understanding Jesus, it all depends on how much of His life we have absorbed, to understand what He is saying.

    Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
    2 Peter 3:18

    Grow… means it can grow stronger in us.
    Like Beloved who saw that getting annoyed at this president of the US, and forgetting that we have to love everybody.
    God loves this man dearly,this man has a role to play, but I pray for the safety of his soul.

    Even the emperors were to be honered, wrote Beloved, what a hell of a command, we need God’s Spirit to do that, thinking about Nero. How do you honor such men?

    Oh, God give us wisdom, only You know. How can we honor a person who is so vile? And depraved?
    What do you mean with honor?

    We honor You, Jesus, above all, and we look to You for our guidance. And today is a new day, that we can BE with You, enjoying Your company. Looking forward what You have for us today, You know all, and I am full of expectancy in what You will bring, in this hot weather, stying inside because of the heat.
    staying cool with water.

  256. jeff1 says:

    forever blessed says:
    July 25, 2019 at 4:20 am

    While it is a real wet country, not as wet as Ireland though. Ireland must be the most wet country in western Europe.

    I can vouch for that. God’s tears or that is what I believe.

  257. SFDBWV says:

    Elijah and Jonah both had to deal with the politics that surrounded them. In fact their purposes were to deal with the interwoven lives of the ordinances of God relevant to the politics of the land.

    As I think about it all of the Prophets were sent to deal with the political leaders that led the people astray.

    God dealt with politicians through the people He sent. Now God speaks directly to us through His Spirit so we are not led astray and so we also can be a part of placing leaders in a position of power in concert with His will.

    All the land stinks because of sin. Do we just set back and expect God to do everything while we do nothing? Is that what you think He wants from us?

    Citizenship is a responsibility of whatever country you live in including the citizenship of the Kingdom of God.

    Be a doer of the Word, not just an admirer.

    47 degrees this morning.

    Steve

  258. jeff1 says:

    For myself I have been part of a political and religious war that is still ongoing and so I am too close and part of the sin mess.

    I avoid politics and religion as much as possible because it can be dangerous here to do otherwise and I don’t think that makes me a bad citizen but a cautious one.

    From my own perspective I see it was when men decided that God was on their side and took it upon themselves to act on his behalf that got us into the mess so I would much rather it where God that got us out of it.

    Steve, I am not saying that in your circumstances I may do different but I am where I am.

  259. SFDBWV says:

    Please be at peace my dear friend Viv, my comments are directed at the subject not at you or any here.

    You are still a victim of people playing God thinking they serve God by terrorizing people instead of loving them. I believe that the term “terrorist” came from the bombings there in Northern Ireland especially Belfast.

    Steve

  260. poohpity says:

    The Lord has told us what is good and what He requires of us; Micah 6:8 that seems to effect every area of our lives even including the political arena.

    Like everything else we need not be lead astray by putting our heads in the sand and not searching for truth, not what we are told to think but what actually is. I do not know about y’all but I am so glad that our government does withhold hold some information and is on a need to know basis just as I believe God does.

    We have this TV station called C-Span that we can watch our government at work and frankly I often ask how on earth did some of those people ever make it up to Capital Hill and then it comes to me because the people vote on the letter by someone’s name rather than doing any research about their past accomplishments or whether they are capable to solve problems. Some have great personalities and are charismatic but do not have the best of our nation in mind, they are sliver tongued deceivers, then there are those who have hard personalities but do what is right. It is all common to mankind.

  261. poohpity says:

    There are more people than not who have any idea about how their government works. Just as their are those who do not know about the God they serve. A lot of information out there but not many bother to seek of search for it to make informed decisions.

  262. poohpity says:

    As Mart said, “As a result nothing is as simple or complex as we’d like to think. The closer we look, we discover the spiritual side of our politics and the political dimensions of our spirituality.” but not many want to take a closer look at anything. Their mantra is “ignorance is bliss” but that is the very reason we end up in so many messes and believing every wind of doctrine or promises of politicians.

  263. bratimus says:

    When I was speak of religion being man made in my post, I wasn’t speak of Christ based religions. There are many other religion in the world that are man made for the appearance of a belief system.

    Some are so worried about the one world government and the one world religion rising up.

    The way I see it, politics is going to lead to the one world government and the one world religion. So what we will have is a poligion.

    I’ve been reading Daniel 7

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  264. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I try not to think too much about it these days as it disturbed my younger days and so I spend my older ones being focused on the simpler things in life which makes me happier than I have ever been.

    Life here is grand with family and friends and I don’t give politics or religion much thought as I hear others still getting caught up in the mess of it all and I think my life here is too short to continue in that mindset.

    God loves me and that is what I hold on to when I get distracted by this world and its woes.

    I am learning to rest in His presence rather than allowing others to steal my joy.

    You give me that advice Steve and thank you for it is working well for me.

    C. S. Lewis says we should not look to this world for happiness but for training and correction and I believe he is right as God in time corrects me from wrong thinking and it seems God is not bothered about time as I am because I feel I am running out of it while that is not an obstacle for God is it.

  265. poohpity says:

    Yes, it actually all comes down with trusting that what happens in the future as well as today is in God’s capable hands. He alone knows about what people call the one world order whether in politics or religion and if we truly believe that God knows and we can depend on Him, trust Him. But if we have doubts about whether He has the good of all mankind in mind then we will, as has been done in the past, take matters into our own hands and we know the results from that.

    To me trusting in God means I can look forward in joy and peace without worry or concern at what the future brings or holds.

  266. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    “It is perilously possible to make our conceptions of God like molten lead poured into a specially designed mould, and when it is cold and hard we fling it at the heads of the religious people who don’t agree with us.” ~ Oswald Chambers

    Have been thinking about religion and politics (and not (specifically) the Politics of Jesus and Paul). I confess, I didn’t know that religion and politics is at the heart of everything that’s been done or will be done in this country (and others). I also didn’t know how *intricately* linked each country (in the world) is to the other. Wow, I wish more had been taught to me (and classmates) in my history and government classes when I was a child.
    street & forever, I agree, Utmost… yesterday was good, and, forever, I’m also listening to the discussion on Discover the Word (“It’s All About Grace)…
    pooh, you’re right, sadly, the school of hard knocks made some people bitter–not better. That would have happened to me too (I would’ve become bitter), if it were not for the indwelling power and presence of the (precious) Holy Spirit, and supernatural wisdom given to me by my Lord/Savior, Jesus Christ.
    Am reflecting on the fact that most, if not all, of the wars that were fought in this country (and others) happened due to conflicts regarding religion and politics. When I learned (at least a little bit) about the history of why the American Civil War occurred, I was shocked to discover that the issue of slavery was the major reason why America became (at least for awhile) two separate countries(?)—the Union and the Confederacy.
    When I think about slavery, money comes to mind, when I think about money, politics comes to mind… the American southern states were benefiting economically from having slave labor to farm and harvest their crops. The American northern states didn’t want to keep human beings as property *(most (if not all) of the northern states were against slavery). The American northern states believed that it was against God’s will…against the very nature of God to buy human beings and keep them as property. The American southern states disagreed… They believed that they had God’s permission to purchase human beings and keep them as property. The end result of the matter was Civil War.
    Thinking about religion and politics…
    I agree with jeff1, she said that she would rather not jump into the muck and mire of religion and politics. I don’t blame her… I don’t want to either. In some ways and on some levels, it’s such a GIGANTIC mess now. It hurts my heart! I could go on and on and on about the atrocities and injustices that I see happening on the news and hear about on the radio, and I try to rationalize it all in my mind… Some states (groups of people) having a “mountain top” experience on one side of the world, and other states (groups of people) are suffering and in the depths of depravity on the other side of the world. I have never been more “globally minded” than I am right now. My world used to be very small. I used to have the luxury of only being concerned about what was going on in my state (within the borders of the U.S.A.)–and more specifically–my neck of the woods. Now, because of what I’ve learned–in just a few short years–I’m deeply concerned about what’s going on in other countries in the world. Am thinking, right now, please come quickly, Lord Jesus! The world needs You in ways that we, as global citizens, could never fully articulate! I’m so glad that one day the government will be on Your shoulders (Isaiah 9:6). My thoughts for now.

    85 degrees and plenty of sunshine in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  267. Beloved says:

    Good afternoon all!

    I’d rather have Jesus than silver or gold
    I’d rather be His than have riches untold
    I’d rather have Jesus than houses or land
    I’d rather be led by His nail-pierced hand

    Than to be the king of a vast domain or be held in sins dread sway
    I’d rather have Jesus than anything
    This world affords today

    I’d rather have Jesus than vain applause
    I’d rather be faithful to His dear cause
    I’d rather have Jesus than worldwide fame
    I’d rather be true to His holy name

    Than to be the king of a vast domain or be held in sins dread sway
    I’d rather have Jesus than anything
    This world affords today

  268. Regina says:

    I’m reading a book titled, “Hear My Heart: What I Would Say to You” by Billy Graham, and one of the passages (“What Does It Mean to Say That Jesus Christ Frees?) brought to mind “religion and politics”. So, I want to share it with you:

    “We are both freed *from* something and *to* something. The Bible declares that man has rebelled against his Creator and has become enslaved by sin. The effects of this rebellion can be seen everywhere, from the brokenness of human lives to the corruption of human society. Ultimately, all human problems–both individual and social–spring from man’s rejection of God’s plan for humanity and man’s attempt to find fulfillment apart from God.

    The good news of the gospel is that God, in his love, has acted in Christ to free men from their bondage to sin and death and hell. The death of Christ on the cross was the most significant event in history. Through his sacrificial death, Jesus Christ made it possible for all people to be freed from a life ruled by sin and freed to a life ruled by Christ. To all who will repent of sin and turn to Christ in trusting faith and obedience, the risen Christ in his grace promises forgiveness and life, both now and eternally. It is one of the glorious mysteries of the gospel that an individual can only find freedom as he or she becomes a bondservant of Jesus Christ.

    *I found this last passage really thought-provoking…

    The freedom that Christ brings must never be confused with secular aspirations for political or social freedom, valid as they might be. The freedom Jesus brings is spiritual, and the Christian knows that this is the ultimate need of all people. Therefore, while fighting for social justice at every opportunity, the Christian will also seek to proclaim the release from spiritual bondage offered by Christ. Jesus rejected the radical schemes of the Zealots of his day, not because they were too revolutionary but because they were not revolutionary enough. He knew people could have political freedom and still be enslaved by sin and guilt. Only as they recover the purpose for which God created them can true freedom come.”

  269. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved for that citation!

    And thank you Regina, for your comment.

    The economic injustice is huge.
    At high school we played an economic game, world trade game. I was part of an african country. It was such a frustration that we could not get a fair price for the minerals.
    The greatest powers can force a price that is good for themselves.

    We have our clothes made in India and Bangladesh, women working in poor conditions. And we buy cheap clothes here.
    That’s how we are connected worldwide.

    ( As Bratimus said, we will be a world wide system
    Revelation 18:1-24 Worldtrade system Babylon)

    Fair trade, where is it.

    Anyway, without the freedom that is a spiritual freedom in Christ, as Billy Graham stated in the comment from Beloved just above, we go from one slavery to another.

    Slavery…
    What a dilemma: the Southern States did not want to give up slavery!
    My question is:
    Do you start a war for that?

    When our country was ruled by the Spaniards, 500 years ago, the people took up arms when they raised the taxes high.
    While at the same time Spain was cathlic and did not want to give freedom of religion.
    People were killed because of religion. They were burned in the town square. In my area about two thousand.

    If we would have been more mature christians, would we have learned to pray, PRAY.

    Jesus did not teach His disiples to kill the Romans.
    Neither did He make an army to defeat the Roman Empire.
    And yet christianity took over Europe.
    (We were idol worshipping people)

    And that christianity became Roman Cathlic, and a governing empire:
    That’s where the rubber meets the road:
    Christians ruling the country, allowing only one religion: the christian religion.
    Even 400 years ago, after the reformation, people could be killed when they were atheistic.
    Oh dear!

    Forgive us God, for having been a dominating force.
    Instead of serving, praying, be a martyr instead of killing others less they would kill is.

    Where is the first love for Jesus, willing to suffer, rather than dominating others.

    This is my take:

    Preach the Gospel,
    In the power of the Spirit
    With the sword of the Word

    Not with real swords:
    Be willing to suffer for Jesus….

    Nobody can be my disciple …

    Matthew 10:1-42

  270. foreverblessed says:

    Posting does not succeed in the current topic, #2, so I try here, in #1.
    Bubbles had some questions..

    The utmost of today says:
    (About Jesus, who as a boy had to be in His Father’s house)
    “…
    Do I look at my life as being in my Father’s house? Is the Son of God living in His Father’s house within me?

    The only abiding reality is God Himself, and His order comes to me moment by moment. Am I continually in touch with the reality of God, or do I pray only when things have gone wrong— when there is some disturbance in my life? I must learn to identify myself closely with my Lord in ways of holy fellowship and oneness that some of us have not yet even begun to learn. “…I must be about My Father’s business”— and I must learn to live every moment of my life in my Father’s house.

    Think about your own circumstances. Are you so closely identified with the Lord’s life that you are simply a child of God, continually talking to Him and realizing that everything comes from His hands? Is the eternal Child in you living in His Father’s house? Is the grace of His ministering life being worked out through you in your home, your business, and in your circle of friends? Have you been wondering why you are going through certain circumstances? In fact, it is not that you have to go through them. It is because of your relationship with the Son of God who comes, through the providential will of His Father, into your life. You must allow Him to have His way with you, staying in perfect oneness with Him.

    The life of your Lord is to become your vital, simple life, and the way He worked and lived among people while here on earth must be the way He works and lives in you.

  271. street says:

    I’m guessing one of the reasons Paul, Peter, James and John wrote family-friendly letters with few word-for-word quotes of Jesus is that he had given them an animated understanding of words. Together they were learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus.

    18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.” 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silas[a] and Timothy—was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.” 20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.

  272. street says:

    an idol is a substitute for the Substitute.

  273. poohpity says:

    Beloved broke the blog again! lol

  274. Beloved says:

    Lol!

  275. street says:

    lol…….she waiting to be hired as a security & software IT technician.

    this reminds me of a parable about a vineyard. vineyard more profitable!

  276. foreverblessed says:

    What Jeff wrote yesterday, and Steve, about the spiritual world, that is the one that is not part of God’s spritual world. It is there, but many people, also christians do not want to hear about it.

    When I left that fundamentalistic church, someone gave me a book of Neil T. Anderson, “the bondage breaker.”
    That was 25 years ago.

    The point was this: Through the blood of Jesus, I had to break free from evil spirits, religious spirits, that had evaded that church, and the way to do it, was to say that Jesus is now King of my heart, and I disavowed any connection to the spiritual leader of that old church, in the name of Jesus, and praying for the cover of the blood of Jesus.

    To say it out loud, and pray over it with other christians.

    When the wall fell in Eastern Europe, there were evangelisation campaigns, and they had gatherings where the christian people of these countries had to disavow from the communistic parties, and stating that they are now bought by Jesus Christ, through His blood.

    Jesus’ blood covers us. That to me is a mystery too.

    And the same is true for people who have been dabbling, as Jeff states it: Disavow, break free in Jesus’ Name.

    Our emphasis should not be on the evil spirit world.
    We are part of the Kingdom of Light, and have our eyes focussed on jesus the King of Light.

    But when there have been wrongs in our past, we say out loud, and pray in Jesus’s Name, to be free from all the bondage.

    But when we encounter evil spirits it is good to have distinction.

    I went to several “breaking free” conferences after that for a while.

    And I have found some amazing things, about breaking free:

    One of the stories is a strange one, there was a family who was being haunted. You can say that you are just imagining this, and ignore it, but this family went to the conference of the bondage breaker, and they were being prayed over by the prayer team. One person got a name from the Holy Spirit, “Barneveld”. That was the only word that the Holy Spirit gave. That is a name of a village in our country. The haunted family started searching what the connection was, and they found out that a great-grandfather had a sirname:” Barneveld”

    And this man had murdered innocent people they found out. Then they prayed and said sorry for the hideous crimes their forefather did.

    And what happened? The haunting stopped.

    So what your mother said about spirits of deceased people haunting others, could be very well be true. And if someone has committed a crime against them, then according to the law of God to the third and fourth generations they are allowed to do so. After the fourth generation it is over.
    Ex 20:5, Ex 34:7, Numb 14:18

    They are not allowed to haunt anybody just for nothing, and especially christians who are under the cover of the blood of Christ. But if there has been some unrepentant sin in forefathers, our family, I have to break free from that bondage in Jesus’Name.

    But this is an area that is not very much talked about in church.

    Above all we are children of God, through Jesus Christ. And we happily live within His bubble, the

    (I do like that name).

    But in a church that goes back to Old Testamentic laws, the evil spirit world loves that, and gets a hold in that chruch if they could do so.

    Now I come to my point:

    Politics and the evil spirit world:

    The evil spirit world will also go into politics, and if someone arises, and the polaristaion is getting stronger and stronger, you must realise that there are evil spirits going around. They love this!

    So christians should NOT give into the polarisation, making the “other side” the evil one, spreading negative news, making their motives evil.

    Steve asked what christians could do in politics:

    Well this one thing a a good starter: Do not add to the polarisation.

    Speak out peace, pray for the party that you dislike, bless them!

    Just consider your own prejudice: The party you like, you can take many things also things that are wrong, like lying,

    but if the other side, the party that you do not like does the same thing, lying, then it is negative in your thoughts all over.

    I find that the polariation in the US has taken tremendous proportions.

    The distrust between the two parties is enormous, and both are partaking in it. See how they tried to impeach Clinton years ago, for lying, and now they are trying this president. The president from your own party is allwed to lie, but the one from the party that you dislike when he lies it is a major wrong. (we had a two day documentary this past days about that Clinton and the Starr)

    Then you take sides.

    God is not taking sides, as Jeff often says here.

    And my warning is: The evil spirit world likes this: Be aware that you are no being trapped into their deceit.

    And I repeat the messaga of Jesus:

    Pray for those that you dislike, bless them more than you bless your own party.

    THis is first and foremost to give you positive thoughts, thoughts of God for them, otherwise the evil world will invade your mind and you overemphasise the wrong of the “others”.

    But now I am repeating myself.

    Just know that Ii do this in love, and I pray for the peace in the US.

    May God love you all, and strengthen you, from one side or the other.

    We have gone over from the dominion of darkness, to the kingdom of the Son He loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:13

  277. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I have learned much from your insight as to my mothers beliefs and feel secure in my dad’s persistence that this is not a world for us to speculate or to dabble in.

    I can see also why my dad gave politics and division in religion a wide berth because he knew better than to go there.

    I must remember that men divide to rule but God divides to conquer and so God knows best in all things.

    Will your anchor hold in the storms of life,
    When the clouds unfold their wings of strife?
    When the strong tides lift, and the cables strain,
    Will your anchor drift or firm remain?

    We have an anchor that keeps the soul
    Steadfast and sure while the billows roll,
    Fastened to the Rock which cannot move,
    Grounded firm and deep in the Savior’s love.

    It is safely moored, ’twill the storm withstand,
    For ’tis well secured by the Savior’s hand;
    And the cables passed from His heart to mine,
    Can defy the blast, through strength divine.

    It will firmly hold in the straits of fear,
    When the breakers have told the reef is near;
    Though the tempest rave and the wild winds blow,
    Not an angry wave shall our bark o’erflow.

    It will surely hold in the floods of death,
    When the waters cold chill our latest breath;
    On the rising tide it can never fail,
    While our hopes abide within the veil.

  278. poohpity says:

    What is going on here in the USA right now is a group of people will not accept the results of the 2016 election so they are trying to find something even if it means relying on many false accusations and finding this President guilty even when they have no proof of any wrong doing. In other words he is guilty until proven innocent when our laws state that a person is innocent until proven guilty so they are looking under every rock to try and find something but his real guilt was that he won the election and the opposing party is putting aside their real work to search for something or anything. First it was because of Russia then when that failed, it is because of racism and now it is he is a white supremacist. This is how real hate works many false accusation going out in all direction just in case something will stick. There is no comparison to the case against Pres Clinton at all because the victim of his crimes is who brought a case against him and sadly because of his position, as he has done in the past(as Governor of Arkansas), was able to by pass or skirt the law. Another look at how the lynch mob mentality can cause people to see and think things that are not really there with our current Pres. and the media is the biggest help for them. All because people believe and trust others rather than doing any research on their own. Propaganda over facts.

    Gee that has happened repeatedly on here over the years so it is really nothing new. It is not really about party affiliation it is about the condition of the heart of mankind and what happens when people do not want God in their lives.

  279. jeff1 says:

    Father, I place into Your hands,
    The things I cannot do.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things that I’ve been through.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The way that I should go,
    For I know I always can trust You.

    Father, I place into Your hands
    My friends and family.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things that trouble me.
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The person I would be,
    For I know I always can trust You.

    Father, we love to see Your face,
    We love to hear Your voice.
    Father, we love to sing Your praise
    And in Your name rejoice.
    Father, we love to walk with You
    And in Your presence rest,
    For we know we always can trust You.

    Father, I want to be with You
    And do the things You do.
    Father, I want to speak the words
    That You are speaking too.
    Father, I want to love the ones
    That You will draw to You,
    For I know that I am one with You.

  280. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 31:25-31NLT
    25 She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs without fear of the future. 26 When she speaks, her words are wise, and she gives instructions with kindness. … 30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the LORD will be greatly praised.

  281. street says:

    talk about spiritual warfare. thinking about the drought in davids day that lasted 3 years. finally he asked God why? the answer was saul’s house. 2 Samuel 21

    7 The king spared Mephibosheth son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the oath before the Lord between David and Jonathan son of Saul.

  282. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, interesting Street!
    How clearly God spoke to David!
    That scripture of 2 Sam 21 is a good example that God considers the people that are dead, but who have been treated unfairly.
    God allows for some kind of retribution.

    I was saying:
    As a christian do not add to the animosity that is already apparant in the US.
    The distrust between the two parties is huge!

    Write something positive about the party you are disliking.

    Say something positive about your opponent party.
    And if you can’t find anything,
    Bless them in Jesus’ name

    Listen tot what Jesus says in Matthew 5:1-12

    Bless your enemies
    (Maybe they are not your enemies,
    Maybe you have it all wrong what you think about them.)

    And if you even cannot do that, tegen just pray:
    Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing.

    ( That was Mart’s advice, some time ago, for those that were being bullied)

  283. Beloved says:

    Plead for Jesus to have mercy on enemies.

  284. foreverblessed says:

    And if even that seems impossible:
    Sing the song Jeff gave just above:

    Father, I place into Your hands
    My friends and family. ( The toxic political situation in my country)
    Father, I place into Your hands
    The things that trouble me.”

    Beloved, the strong woman who status calm in her faith in Jesus.
    Wonderful bible passage
    Proverbs 31:10-31

    ( I heard a sermon about this that it could also be talking about the Body of believers, the Bride of Christ
    The body of believers together)

  285. Beloved says:

    Forever I just read that the “woman” is Christ. The behaviors listed are certainly most Christ like! Actually any admonitions found in scripture are modeled after God in Christ Jesus. It’s His “Word” we read and study. Best to stick to them at the end of the day after a time of complaining about worldly things like politics. Complaining does no good and is a waste of time and space. Ok Mart, you can shut this down anytime, lol.

  286. foreverblessed says:

    OK, proverbs 31 is a perfect description of Jesus!
    Like I got the notion that Psalm 119 the song of the Law, is about Jesus too!

    Insdeed, best to fill my mind with positive message from the Bible.
    And listening to good music. I am listening to classical music right now, Arnold Schonberg, symphony orchestra, very peaceful music,verklahrte nacht, Op 4
    part V sehr ruhig (very peaceful, or what is the translation for “ruhig” rest, full of rest.)

    Sign of a mature christian: He who stays calm in Jesus, in all circumstances, even when persecuted. The first century christians were much more attuned to the fact that Jesus had said to them:
    as they have treated Me, so they will treat you.
    The servant is not more than the Master.
    Paul wrote: If we will share in His suffering, we will also share in His Glory.
    (I do not understand that, but the suffering and the Glory go together)
    But take heart, I have overcome the world, Jesus says.

    JESUS HAS OVERCOME THE WORLD.

    I hit the The capslock,
    So now I appear shouting, but what a great and positive message!

  287. foreverblessed says:

    The music I heard was not from Schonberg, but from Jean Sibelius, Symfony nr 5,
    Sibelius also composed the music that is used for the song:
    Dear land of home.
    So beautiful too,
    a longing for the fullness of all in Christ, everything made new, but in the mean time, let me be made new, new in heart and mind, by the change through the Holy Spirit.
    The Holy Spirit makes soft hardened hearts, even the hardest hearts, the hearts of political opponents.

  288. foreverblessed says:

    Tomorrow I will be gone, very early, so I go early to bed, that is now.
    May your life, and mine, be in the security that is in faith in Christ.

  289. Beloved says:

    The Politics of Jesus

    “Have this mind in you which was also in Christ Jesus: who emptied Himself; taking the form of a servant; and humbled Himself; becoming obedient even unto death. Wherefore God also highly exalted Him.” Phil. 2:5-9

  290. poohpity says:

    The character or heart of any person is brought to light in their speech. If one has love in their heart it will be shown in their words as is the same with hate. Matt 15: “But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, *false testimony*, and *slander*.”

    Jesus sure did know how to get to the bottom line didn’t He? He did not mince words when it came to showing the difference in being lead by the flesh or lead by the spirit. The only question to then ask is which am I being lead by? One promotes self control which is being lead by the spirit and the other shows a lack of it, controlled by the flesh and pride.

  291. Beloved says:

    Flesh and pride are monsters we all must battle. But for the grace of God….

  292. Beloved says:

    I prefer, however, to focus on Jesus as much as He gives me grace to do that. Have mercy on me, a sinner, LORD Jesus.

  293. Beloved says:

    He giveth more grace when the burdens grow greater,
    He sendeth more strength when the labors increase;
    To added afflictions He addeth His mercy,
    To multiplied trials, His multiplied peace.
    When we have exhausted our store of endurance,
    When our strength has failed ere the day is half done,
    When we reach the end of our hoarded resources
    Our Father’s full giving is only begun.
    Fear not that thy need shall exceed His provision,
    Our God ever yearns His resources to share;
    Lean hard on the arm everlasting, availing;
    The Father both thee and thy load will upbear.
    His love has no limits, His grace has no measure,
    His power no boundary known unto men;
    For out of His infinite riches in Jesus
    He giveth, and giveth, and giveth again.

  294. Beloved says:

    The biggest grace is mercy for sin.

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