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TPOJAP #2

When Walt Disney’s classic animation of Bambi was re-released in theatre’s, many moms and dads relived childhood memories by bringing their young sons and daughters to the see the tender story of a little deer. A friend’s sister, whose husband was an avid outdoorsman with an impressive trophy room, was one of those parents. With her children at her side she experienced with them the gasp and groan of the tragic moment Bambi lost her mother to a hunter. To this day she recalls, or is reminded, at family gatherings of her embarrassment when, in all innocence and exuberance, her little boy shouted out, “nice shot!

Families that love together can laugh and cry together.

I’m guessing one of the reasons Paul, Peter, James and John wrote family-friendly letters with few word-for-word quotes of Jesus is that he had given them an animated understanding of words. Together they were learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus.


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Thanks for the laugh Mart, “Nice shot.” Very funny. I have never heard anyone make that quote before and I grew up eating deer meat.

    It is an interesting view of why the Apostles didn’t quote Jesus as much as they perhaps could have, or felt they needed to.

    In truth when I speak of my deceased mother or father I seldom quote them verbatim, but as you say generalize the lessons they imparted to me.

    I am not sure how this plays into the politics of Jesus or Paul, but following along your train of thought, I wonder now how much Jesus quoted the Father or if His quotes were intended to generalize the meaning behind God’s words.

    It would seem that the participants of BTA don’t really want to get caught up in modern day politics and I am not sure how the politics of 2 thousand years ago are much different than today. It is still about control and the money and might to control with.

    We shall see how this plays out.

    50 degrees and still dark.

    Steve

  2. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    Off topic here (as Mart has posted a new blog topic–can’t wait to dive in!)…

    forever, Your comment on the previous post was very interesting. Wish we’d had more time to discuss the Politics of Jesus and Paul which lead to a discussion on politics and religion. Wow! The previous blog topic was so meaty… thinking about the arms of an octopus. We could have gone on and on and on about politics and religion! I gleaned a lot of wisdom from my BTA brothers/sisters on the previous blog topic!

    69 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  3. Regina says:

    Had to share this quote with you all…

    “Satan trembles when he sees the weakest *believer (*disciple of Jesus Christ) upon his knees in prayer, and he laughs without restraint when saints bash, criticize and fight with other saints.” ~Ruth Graham

  4. poohpity says:

    Regina this is part 2 of The Politics of Jesus and Paul(TPOJAP) so there is still time to discuss it.

  5. poohpity says:

    I would guess another reason why they did not quote Jesus word for word in the NT letters is because after the resurrection when the Lord poured out His Spirit on those who believed in Him, His very words became part of our lives with the indwelling of His Spirit. Which would also be the reason we are “learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus”. His Spirit teaches us how to do life, all areas of life, in new and better ways. After all we have been born again not to live as we once did but with a fresh newness and love, the old has gone and the new has come.

    So if one still finds themselves with animus, hate and contempt maybe we should look at who actually has our hearts.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    The news story last evening and this morning that caught my eye is the upcoming execution of 5 federal prisoners.

    Looking at poll numbers I see that over 70% of Americans favor capital punishment for certain heinous crimes.

    I would suggest if you have the ability, look at the murders these 5 men committed.

    In the Law of Moses the execution of murderers was ordered, even the execution of animals that attacked and killed a person was to be killed.

    Do you think that capital punishment and the politics of Jesus clash?

    How many people die during “The Great Tribulation”? I believe the number to be 1/3 of all mankind. And what is their “crime”?

    Over in my Living Bible it states that “If you don’t execute for murder your land will stink.” It’s OT, but the message is clear.

    Is not the God of the OT the same God of the new?

    If you were able to look at the crimes these 5 men committed I am fairly certain you are disgusted at their lack of feelings or compassion for their victims. You may even feel that death is too good for them and something worse needed?

    Then again some of you may say they are to be forgiven for their acts and spend their lives locked away in prison.

    Any of you may say what you want here, but what you really feel is between you and God and maybe should stay there.

    The execution of Jesus was demanded by the Law of Moses according to its political leaders. God allowed it as a means of restoring mankind to a place of fellowship once again with Him, Jesus went to His execution reluctantly because He was after all “human”, but in obedience to the Father.

    It has been said that the Law of God had to be carried out in order to keep God the Father Holy. What does it say that He carried it out upon Himself in the Person of Jesus of Nazareth as the only way it could be accomplished?

    Justice was served. No mercy given to Himself.

    Where does that leave us in politically governing ourselves?

    Is justice suspended replaced by mercy no matter the crime? Can any society survive under such conditions?

    I think there is a lot of things religiously and politically to sort out while we continue to try and create a utopian world that includes those who prey on it.

    Steve

  7. Beloved says:

    It’s very hard to laugh at the death of a human created in the image of God vs an animal created by God. I’ve heard non hunters say “ You killed Bambi’s mom!” Joking yet with passion as they of were somehow wounded themselves. We all know there’s a way of nature Hod made for all to survive by devouring other animals. Thinking devouring humans by other humans is the way of a broken human nature that has yet to be redeemed and needs prayer as only God can change a heart. After all, He created it in the first place so knows what it should look like. Satan comes to steal kill and destroy, he put that in our hearts from Eden on. Whether politics or spiritual matters all are influenced by Satans plan. I think the only source of change is Jesus. I love Him dearly.

    Fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith. And the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace. Amen

  8. poohpity says:

    Steve, I totally disagree with your assumption the the Law of Moses had anything to do with the death of Jesus that is just not true at all. In fact Jesus followed all the laws of Moses which is why He was deemed the perfect sacrifice for our sins because He was without any sin.

  9. SFDBWV says:

    What a shock Deborah that you would disagree with anything I may have to contribute.

    Why do you think the Jewish leaders wanted Jesus executed? Was it not because of blasphemy a capital offence against the Law of Moses?

    One thing for certain Deborah I don’t have to worry about offending in polite and good natured company whereas you are concerned.

    Steve

  10. Beloved says:

    As the deer panteth for the water
    So my soul longeth after Thee
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    You’re my friend
    And You are my brother
    Even though You are a King
    I love You more than any other
    So much more than anything

    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    I want You more than gold or silver
    Only You can satisfy
    You alone are the real joy giver
    And the apple of my eye

  11. Beloved says:

    As the deer panteth for the water
    So my soul longeth after Thee
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    You’re my friend
    And You are my brother
    Even though You are a King
    I love You more than any other
    So much more than anything

    You alone are my strength, my shield
    To You alone may my spirit yield
    You alone are my heart’s desire
    And I long to worship Thee

    I want You more than gold or silver
    Only You can satisfy
    You alone are the real joy giver
    And the apple of my eye

  12. Beloved says:

    Some things that come out of the mouths of babes are truly funny, but if they come out of the mouths of adults then not always so funny. We tend to excuse childish naivete but adult’s not so much.

  13. street says:

    Bambi
    thinking about the two scenes in bambi that the greatest emotional impact. the one scene, “nice shot!” and the forest fire. the politics of propaganda and truth still ring today. yes we live in a fallen world, yet it has not been abandoned by God. many would like you to think so, or deny His existence. politics is power to a deceived world, yet we have not seen the power demonstrated at the red sea, mount sinai, or in a fishing boat in a storm. these periods of quietness and peace should be a good place for prayer and thanksgiving. thinking of the thicket down by the jordan. paul seemed to find many places of hardship and discontent, yet was undisturbed in relationship and trust.

  14. mtman says:

    I personally find it interesting that a movie/s that teaches of virtues comes from Walt Disney Studios.. Walt was an avowed atheist who refused to even acknowledge God but his movies like Bambi teaches compassion and many of the virtues embraced in the old and new testament.

    As to Steve’s comments on the USA’s reinstatement of the death penalty for the most egregious of crimes. I don’t think I’m alone in my thinking on that topic but in me at least it causes a great conflict. I weigh the 6th commandment “thou shall not murder” against my desire to see justice done. Isn’t that what the death penalty is anyway – about murdering another human being by the government? Part of me wants to see the evil murderer punished with their own life but that 6th commandment is right there telling me it is wrong to murder another human. The old testament does mention an eye for an eye but it also provided sanctuary cities for those who killed another accidentally.

    As for Bambi, I see in Acts 10:28, God tells Peter that it is okay to kill and eat animals. I do think it should be done with thanks for the animal and most of all thanks to God. Not simply to kill for pleasure or sport. I was taught when I was young that if I killed it I ate it. I know from living where I do that deer are gentle creatures and when a wild deer will come eat from my hand and make mewing sounds I know I could not kill one. I was adopted by a buck that would do that and he had total trust of me. I just happen to love deer.

    I still do not see the politics of Jesus. Politics is the activity of the government or civic body and I don’t see Jesus involved directly in any politics. The only possible reference to politics of Jesus’ was in Mark 12:17 when he said to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to God what is Gods.

    I believe in connecting Jesus and politics it does nothing but erode faith that God is in ultimate control of his creation. It takes the believer on a side track that is unhealthy.

  15. bratimus says:

    I’m so over Disney, and adding it with politics and religion this subject isn’t for me anymore.

    I’m pretty sure the The Heavenly Father holds my trademark and copyrights.

    So if anyone wants to talk about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I’m there.

    Disney, politics and religion I don’t want to talk about. So see you with the next subject.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  16. jeff1 says:

    I understand that if you take a life then you should expect to forfeit your own but I don’t believe I would feel any better for seeing a person executed but saddened that it had to come to this.

    It doesn’t change what happened to their victims and I don’t see how their is much joy in it for the families of the victims other then justice has been served.

    Having said that what other alternative is their if there are some who will not turn away from evil as there has to be a deterrent in a fallen world because human nature without God is so depraved.

  17. street says:

    mtman i understand the dilemma capital punishment and forgiveness. God gave the sword to government to deal with this issue. we are told to seek justice. i don’t think we can make justice, but grace and mercy are something to look at. when cane killed able God did not require his life right away, like annanias and saphira. yet we will all keep Gods word, the soul that sins shall die. we all die, yet made alive in Christ. paul even handed some over to satan for their bodies destruction, yet their soul would be saved. i have been a mess many times, i don’t think i would want to die in that kind of mess, but hold on to Christ. after the resurrection Jesus told one of the women not to hold on to Him yet. i think now is a time to hold on to Him. our shield and pass over lamb. He Lives! thinking His return will be more like the Lion of Judah, The One Hoped for the first time. it seems we get the cart before the horse a lot too. think justice or Gospel? sometimes both.

  18. poohpity says:

    Steve, didn’t the religious leaders falsely accuse Jesus of many things? Was He really blaspheming or just telling them the truth of who He is, so He actually was not committing blasphemy at all now was He? They wanted to get rid of Jesus often one way or the other because Jesus often confronted them with their own actions of hypocrisy, self righteousness, self importance and authority. But bottom line they were all false accusations that is what prideful worldly thinkers often do by retaliating when confronted or if anyone disagrees with them.

    I have no idea how the death penalty got brought into this but since it did. God forgives sin but He does not take away the consequences of our behavior or else one would repeat the crime over and over. The very purpose of consequences for crimes that God laid out for implementation was so that the punishment fit the crime. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, and for murderers the death penalty. How much crime now-a-days would be subverted if the punishment fit the crime rather than sticking someone in jail for life to get fed, clothed and housed for life never any restitution to the people harmed.

  19. poohpity says:

    John 18: So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

    30 “If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

    31 Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

    “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. 32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

    33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

    34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

    35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”

    36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

    37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.

    Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

    38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”

    40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.

    Jesus with a political leader!

  20. street says:

    33 “Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. 35 The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. 37 But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” 41 They *said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”

  21. street says:

    thinking of The Politics of Jesus and Paul

    Jesus is LORD, paul a son redeemed

    2
    “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
    And through the rivers, they will not overflow you.
    When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched,
    Nor will the flame burn you.
    3
    “For I am the Lord your God,
    The Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
    I have given Egypt as your ransom,
    Cush and Seba in your place.
    4
    “Since you are precious in My sight,
    Since you are honored and I love you,
    I will give other men in your place and other peoples in exchange for your life.

  22. jeff1 says:

    If I am reluctant to get into the mire of politics and religion today it is because as a young girl I did get into it against my dad’s better judgements.

    I can see now is judgements where better than mine as my dad was in no way politically minded because he was so Godly minded.

    I live in a country where the consequences of dirty handed politics and religion have cost people their lives, friends and family of mine, and so while I have survived to see the consequences I have not managed to overcome the scars that they leave.

    When the war was going on here I would hear people from both sides of the divide say that God was on their side but my dad would say to me it is for me to be on God’s side and he never stopped believing or behaving like he was.

    Bratimus, I see the wisdom in your comments but that is because I was in the mire and believe it was the hand of God that lead me out of it.

    Politics and religion was the problem for me and not the solution and so I am learning to give it a wide berth.

    One man’s meat is another man’s poison is what my mother would say and I discovered that for me politics and religion where my poison.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    In the beginning God, through the Word, created all that exists. He placed the man, whom was created in His image, in a paradise where all of his physical needs were met.

    But there was something wrong, the man was missing something that wasn’t a physical need, but rather an emotional one.

    He was missing his “proper helper” his companion, human company like himself.

    So God made Eve from an already created Adam and the plan seemed then for them to live in perfect harmony there in the Garden of Eden.

    I stop here because this train of thought can take several different directions from this point and I am trying to stay on course concerning “politics”.

    Politics is the business of governing. Governing is the business of overseeing things and running whatever is in place.

    There is the business of running your life, a household, a business, and a community of others however large it may be.

    To this point of my thoughts, the politics of God seemed to be for the comfort of His creation.

    However once sin entered the equation the politics of God had to change from only seeing to man’s comfort to seeing to his salvation.

    Saving man from himself and his self-destructive desires and lifestyles.

    The politics of Jesus speaking to the people in his hearing and to all of us who read of what He said is a gentle loving directive in what it takes to live the way God intended for us as we live with others.

    As it would seem that living with others is what most of the governing directives are aimed at.

    So it seems that the politics of Jesus is all about living in peace and harmony with others. All the while seeing that our eternal wellbeing is attended to.

    How might Jesus the King govern in the millennium? Food for thought, as it will remain the politics of the King.

    Steve

  24. mtman says:

    I have given some thought to the death penalty and I believe while I still have conflicting thoughts on the matter I lean on the 6th commandment. Murder is murder whether it is by a gov’t entity or a doctor in an abortion clinic. Life in prison is an alternative. It does not have to be a comfortable life, but a hard labor type but as a “civilized society” we forbid that. Thanks to Street’s reply but I believe I have come to a conclusion that I am clearly opposed to the death penalty.

    As to the politics of Jesus I still do not waiver in my thought – that is going down a dangerous path to equate the two. I agree with Bratimus it is a topic that needs to be left alone. Even discussing or putting politics with Jesus seems to be blasphemous to me and takes the participant into a dangerous area. I’ll wait for the next topic folks –

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Ecclesiastes 12:12 KJV “And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.”

    I get a daily morning newspaper and one section is devoted to opinions. There are career journalists who appear daily to give their view of current political events or events that may be of a national or even worldly interest.

    There is also afforded print to anyone willing to write into the paper and give their views on the same subject matter.

    Always the matter of politics and religion are wielded together in the opinions of both professional and the ordinary writer.

    One seems to either influence the other or be a basis for believing one way or another on every topic from school lunches to capital punishment.

    In the flavor of Mart’s joke about the shooting of Bambi’s mother I am reminded of a saying that was popular when I was a young Marine in Viet Nam “Kill them all, let God sort them out.”

    Isn’t that what happened when we bombed the cities of Japan and Germany during WWII in an effort to win the war against Hitler’s Germany and Hirohito’s Japan?

    Interesting still, that Hitler in his speeches against the Jew stated that they, the Jew, had killed our Lord.

    An excuse for the attempted extermination of them as a people from wherever they could find them.

    In Islamic theocracies not only are people executed, but they still cut off hands, feet and whatever else needs removed in obedience to their holy laws.

    In the “Western” world where Christianity has influenced its governing for thousands of years there is a vast difference between the two views of how to govern.

    In communist China Christianity is forbidden and only recently Putin of communist Russia has learned that allowing for Christianity is good for his purposes and the official view of Christianity less critical.

    It appears that while politics doesn’t impress or influence God, Jesus has had a huge influence on the politics of man.

    Out of time for now.

    Steve

  26. poohpity says:

    It would seem the first problems with religion and politics came during the time of the Judges when Samuel interceded for Israel with God when they wanted a King because the sons of Samuel made a mess of the religion(1 Sam 8:1-3). The people did not want God to be their King any longer but wanted a King like the nations around them(1 Sam 8:4-9). They rejected the guidance and leadership of God for a human being instead.

    God knew they would do this way before it ever happened and shared what they would have to suffer under a human king (1 Sam 8:10-18).

    But just as people do today they refused to take the warnings of God for what would lay ahead when people rejected Him as their King. The consequences of that choice still are suffered today when people look to other people to rule over them and turn away from the One who has always had their best in mind because of His great love for His creation.

  27. street says:

    Thanks to Street’s reply but I believe I have come to a conclusion that I am clearly opposed to the death penalty.

    i find it interesting that you are opposed to the death penalty when it is clearly not opposed by God. kill them all and let God sort them out. as i look at human history God never needed mans help in killing them. man seems to speed up the process.

    Jesus was is and will be forever opposed to sin and death. offering Himself as a ransom for sin by trust in Him and the work They began long ago. i hear it was finished on the 7 day. after the Genesis 3 God went back to work to secure what was started. the Bible talks of promises made before the foundation of the world. one incredible world and One incredible God!

    thinking of God’s commitment to life and our commitment to death. seems like some commitments are better than others. Romans 7

  28. poohpity says:

    Even for today it seems the best citizens are those who put God first in their lives. His Kingdom is more important than anything else in their lives no matter what country or nation they temporarily reside in they know they are bound for something far better than what they see around them, their hope is in the unseen where their King is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. He has put a great responsibility on us to be His Ambassadors for the good of many, to reach out and touch people in His mighty name, not to elevate or bring Glory to our own name but to His.

  29. street says:

    6 Then the Lord answered Job from the whirlwind:

    7
    “Brace yourself like a man,
    because I have some questions for you,
    and you must answer them.

    8
    “Will you discredit my justice
    and condemn me just to prove you are right?
    9
    Are you as strong as God?
    Can you thunder with a voice like his?
    10
    All right, put on your glory and splendor,
    your honor and majesty.
    11
    Give vent to your anger.
    Let it overflow against the proud.
    12
    Humiliate the proud with a glance;
    walk on the wicked where they stand.
    13
    Bury them in the dust.
    Imprison them in the world of the dead.
    14
    Then even I would praise you,
    for your own strength would save you.

  30. poohpity says:

    street, you said, “i find it interesting that you are opposed to the death penalty when it is clearly not opposed by God.” Amen and Amen. Many people even Christians are opposed to the things God teaches that seems to the reason we are in the messes here and around the world that we are in.

  31. street says:

    4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a [a]preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from [b]temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who [c]indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.

    Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic [d]majesties, 11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in [e]the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, 13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their [f]deceptions, as they carouse with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children; 15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

    17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the [g]black darkness has been reserved. 18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 [h]It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

  32. Beloved says:

    May Gods grace mercy and peace rest upon you all today, in Jesus’ name, Amen.

  33. cbrown says:

    Oh well, I quess I should not follow Jesus Christ and his message. Oh, I was reviewing my tax return last Saturday and Sunday. When you stone me to death, at least have enough of you so you finish me off quickly. Or better stone me for murder because I initially hated the 2 men that slaughtered Will.

    There is no one answer fits all for the death penalty. The 2 men involved in the murder of Will have multiple life sentences for seperate instances. One has 7 life sentences, 2 prior to Will while in prison.I have seen specific results of executing others and know that effects our country negatively but in my opinion it is warranted if an inmate who has murdered is a threat to others.

  34. cbrown says:

    Another thought to consider, is I have had several inmates in my Bible study who were on death row and had there death sentence overturned for legitimate reasons. One man had his execution overturned the day it was scheduled. He was a blessing to me.

  35. Beloved says:

    Chris I am in agreement with you. It gets dangerous when scripture outweighs the activity of Jesus. I think Mart brought this up. I’ve heard of several unjustly executed by laws. Thinking of the thousands executed before slavery became illegal, and many since. Yet God is sovereign still. I was just thinking about trusting in the LORD with all my heart and not LEANING on my own understanding. Not to stop thinking but to trust God for a godly outcome. We all know God gives and God takes away. Anyway Chris I have been thinking of you and also the book/movie A Time To Kill by Grisham, a favorite author. We do value life, don’t we. It’s so precious! What a gift God has created us for! Living and enjoying Him forever Amen!

  36. poohpity says:

    Chris, Yes it is horrible when one convicted of murder and then while in prison for that murder, murders someone else. With those who are accused of murder yet no one actually saw them doing it seems to be the reason God instituted the places of refuge so until they had enough proof of guilt or innocence they had to remain there all their lives or until the accuser died. God sure does know about how humans act and think and how to impart justice for all.

  37. jeff1 says:

    On the Wings of Prayer

    Just close your eyes
    and open your heart
    And feel your worries
    and cares depart,
    Just yield yourself
    to the Father above
    And let Him hold you
    secure in His love-
    For life on earth
    grows more involved
    With endless problems
    that can’t be solved-
    But God only asks us
    to do our best,
    Then He will “take over”
    and finish the rest-
    So when you are tired,
    discouraged and blue,
    There’s always one door
    that is open to you-
    And that is the door
    to “The House of Prayer”
    And you’ll find God waiting
    to meet your there.
    And “The House of Prayer”
    is no farther away
    Than the quiet spot
    where you kneel and pray-
    For the heart is a temple
    when God is there
    As we place ourselves
    in His loving care,
    And He hears every prayer
    and answers each one
    When we pray in His name
    “Thy Will be done”-
    And the burdens that seemed
    too heavy to bear
    Are lifted away
    on “the wings of prayer.”

  38. cbrown says:

    One last thought, Moses, David and Paul by his on admission were murderers.

  39. street says:

    poo the city of refuge was for people who killed accidentally or there was not enough evidence for a murder conviction. once the case is settled, not a murder conviction, they had to settle in the city of refuge. people would learn their character quite quickly by living around them. they could be free from the city and a kinsman redeemer if the High Priest over the settled case dies. till then they have to remain in the city. seems to me an accidental death the one associated with it would want their case to vindicate them and get the sentence of death off their head. even if they would have to wait for the High Priest to die.

  40. street says:

    Together they were learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus.

    in other words learning to live and ways to approach others in grace and mercy, where none was expected or deserved.

  41. poohpity says:

    street, isn’t that similar to overview of what I said about the place(cities) of refuge maybe I need to learn how to more clearly say things since they are often misunderstood and misinterpreted. No one knew for sure whether it was accidental or not, right?

  42. bratimus says:

    Okay I right one more comment on this subject.

    Your on the death sentence I think, there is a commandment of God “Thou shalt not Murder.” Now Christ will forgive even a murder, but I never heard Christ say that His forgiveness will exempt you from the laws of man.

    Someone above said if your will to take a life, you forfiet your own life. That is true, but as men/woman our any of us uncorrupted enough to decide if someone should die, or should that be left in God’s hands.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  43. poohpity says:

    I hate to burst any bubbles but all people die in the flesh one way or another. This flesh was never meant to last for an eternity but as a temporary dwelling place for our souls.

  44. Beloved says:

    I don’t think anyone here falsely believes they won’t die, that would be as arrogant as the question.

    I wonder why Steve, Street, myself and others along the years “misunderstand” you? Hmm just wondering. Question asked kindly although you don’t believe me, another of those ongoing “misunderstandings” here.

  45. Beloved says:

    Sometimes truth seems unkind, why? I think because it pierces our self righteous bubble. Pooh, you are the most toxic of people because you use the gospel to ensnare then try to twist and manipulate it along with people’s minds. Many cult leaders have the same modus operandi. You say I don’t know you, YOU ARE RIGHT GIRL, I only know what you write here for many years now. You have judged me many many times and I’m tired of it. So stop it!

  46. Beloved says:

    Now, carry on all.

  47. poohpity says:

    For those who believe no matter how we face death it has lost it’s sting or fear.

    Wrong again Beloved I do not twist God’s word I share it word for word right from the bible but only those who actually know it, can see that. Those who don’t falsely accuse, assume and jump to conclusions and attack my character but like I said before I share in good company for that. So it is all good, thank you.

  48. Beloved says:

    Your welcome.

  49. bratimus says:

    Our We uncorrupted enough to judge whom dies in the flesh?

    Bratimus

  50. Beloved says:

    Strange as usual.

  51. street says:

    John 11:25-26 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

  52. Beloved says:

    Bratimus I was thinking about Christians on court benches and what a job that must be!

  53. Beloved says:

    Street that word of truth can cover a multitude of sins committed by anybody.

  54. street says:

    I’m guessing one of the reasons Paul, Peter, James and John wrote family-friendly letters with few word-for-word quotes of Jesus is that he had given them an animated understanding of words.

    animated, living, spirited words from hearts renewed by grace and mercy through the Holy Spirit, by the blood of the Lamb of God.

    thinking about this cleansing and sanctification process while living in a mortal body. one who has bathed only needs to wash their feet. denial of self, taking up the cross daily, following/obeying…. washing feet nightly.

    Lamentations 3:
    22
    The Lord’s lovingkindnesses [a]indeed never cease,
    For His compassions never fail.
    23
    They are new every morning;
    Great is Your faithfulness.
    24
    “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul,
    “Therefore I have hope in Him.”

  55. Beloved says:

    Yes that’s surely the difference between quoting Jesus words vs living and walking the walk. The difference is striking.

  56. jeff1 says:

    Where There Is Love

    Where there is love
    the heart is light,
    Where there is love
    the day is bright,
    Where there is love
    there is a song
    To help when things
    are going wrong,
    Where there is love
    there is a smile
    To make all things
    seem more worthwhile,
    Where there is love
    there’s quiet peace,
    A tranquil place
    where turmoils cease-
    Love changes darkness into light
    And makes the heart
    take “wingless flight”
    Oh, blest are they
    who walk in love,
    They also walk
    with God above-
    And when man walks
    with God again,
    There shall be peace
    on earth for men.

  57. Beloved says:

    The gift of salvation is free (gift). The living is costly.

  58. Beloved says:

    Random note,

    Truth is the agreement of our ideas with the ideas of God. —Jonathan Edwards

  59. bratimus says:

    Judging the innocent or guilty verdict through trail, jury, evidence all that is one thing, the U.S. has probably the best court systems on Earth.(not saying its prefect.). I was actually comment the Death sentence, that would be a hard one.

    Bratimus

  60. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Thank you, pooh, I was in a hurry yesterday morning, and I didn’t read anything on the blog except for the letters, TPOJAP and I looked at the picture of Bambi. I had to hurry on because I had a lot of chores. Steve, to answer your question, I don’t think capital punishment and the Politics of Jesus clash. Thinking about some people mentioned in the Bible who received a sentence of death after committing some dastardly deeds.

    Was thinking about Truman Capote’s book, “In Cold Blood”… It’s based on a true story about 4 members of the Clutter family who were (actually) murdered in cold blood. If you’ve never read the book, it’s a very interesting but also very sad story. I was barely able to finish it. I read the book several years ago because I was curious about what actually happened to several Clutter family members (two family members–daughters–were already grown and no longer living with their mom and dad). Even though Capote’s book is a very heart wrenching chronicle of what actually happened to the Clutter family, he did a really good job of providing background knowledge of the family as well as recounting the grisly details of how the family was murdered. And for those of you (on this blog) who embrace capital punishment, you will agree with me that justice was served in the fact that the two (Clutter family) murderers received the death penalty. They were hung by the neck until they died.

    As I reflect on Capote’s book, ICB, a question comes to mind… If you saw a family member get killed, in cold blood, would you want the killer to get the death penalty or life in prison?? I live in a state that wholeheartedly embraces capital punishment. And when I read, in Steve’s comment, about 5 federal inmates (all men) who are going to get the death penalty for their crimes, it brought to mind a woman who lived in my neck of the woods–Karla Faye Tucker–who received the death penalty in 1984 (*she actually received a lethal injection in 1998 after 14 years on death row) for killing Jerry Dean and Deborah Thornton with a pickaxe.
    Due to Tucker’s gender and widely publicized conversion to Christianity (religion and politics) she inspired an unusually large national and international movement. The people who cared about her (including a few foreign government officials) wanted her sentence to be changed to life without parole. Three women have been executed in Texas from 1863 to 1998: 1) Chipita Rodriguez (1863) 2) Velma Barfield (1984) 3) Karla Faye Tucker (1998).

    Thinking about Mary and Joseph now… Joseph was planning on stoning Mary(?)–he was preparing to “put her away privately” whatever that means. Thinking it means that he was going to stone her in a private place (though if that had actually happened it would have soon become very public). Joseph and Mary were in a covenant (betrothed to one another) according to Jewish traditions/culture and rituals (religion) and, in Joseph’s eyes, Mary had sinned (committed adultery). And the law…justice(?) demanded that she be killed (capital punishment in Biblical times) for (what he thought was) her sin. My thoughts for now…

    94 degrees and mostly sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  61. Beloved says:

    Regina Karla Faye Tucker has been on my mind also. I was going through divorce then and saw her interview by Dobson I think it was. She so impressed me with her sweet demeanor handcuffed and waiting for death. She spoke of how God had changed her and was ready to accept her punishment for crimes done (while influenced by drugs). I remember thinking how she could have been part of the family I grew up in. In a northern state she may have escaped death. But we don’t choose the families we are brought up with. So then a Savior comes in and gives us eternal life! Love it!

  62. poohpity says:

    1 Peter 4:8. It isn’t the word of truth that covers a multitude of sins but it is LOVE that does. Love makes all the difference in the world and shows who our hearts belong to because He lives in us. He is after all the source of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, long suffering and SELF CONTROL.

  63. poohpity says:

    As Mart said, “Families that love together can laugh and cry together.”.

  64. Beloved says:

    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

    Thinking of Jesus death -Gods love crucified for us, sin forgiven so we will live forever!

  65. SFDBWV says:

    God of the burning bush set up a political system of governing for the Hebrew people. At the same time the Apostles exonerated the Gentile from almost all of the laws of Moses as they became followers of Jesus.

    Does that remove guilt from Gentiles for violating any of the “big 10”?

    When Cain murdered Able God didn’t kill Cain, but physically changed him to show him as a murderer. My guess, Cain looked more animal than human.

    Noah was a descendant of Seth, but Noah’s wife nor any of the wives of Shem, Ham and Japheth are identified as from what ancestral line they came down through. So it is possible that Cain’s seed continued after the flood and the death of all of mankind except those in the ark.

    My guess is that God used the death penalty discriminately. Or better said perhaps for His purposes.

    Regina, I did read “In Cold Blood” many years ago and also read “Helter-skelter”. Interesting the differences of the outcome from a view of justice played out. All due to the “politics” of when and where the crimes were committed.

    As a side note while looking something up this morning I came across the story of Joshua hanging the 5 kings of Jerusalem, of Hebron, of Jarmuth, of Lachish, and of Eglon. Joshua 10:15-27 KJV.

    I thought of that after reading of your comment as to the hanging of the two men who murdered the Clutter family.

    I thought Regina your comments were superb, from the heart and well stated.

    53 degrees under a clear sky with a fingernail moon.

    Steve

  66. jeff1 says:

    From Sunday morning reflections some heartwarming songs.

    Swing Wide Them Golden Gates

    Goodbye old world of sorrow goodbye tears
    I’m bound for that tomorrow gladness and cheer
    Goodbye to pain and heartaches sin and its charm
    I’m going up to heaven where there’s no harm

    Swing wide them golden gates
    I’m gonna come sweeping through
    Swing wide them golden gates
    Gonna see my Jesus too
    Gonna see Saint Peter Mark Luke and John

    St Paul and old Matthew
    Swing wide them golden gates
    I’m gonna come sweeping through

    Now I’m gonna see my mother inside the gate
    I’m going up to heaven I won’t be late
    Give me a harp and a crown and a song to sing
    Give me a rope of white and silver wings

    Gonna see Saint Peter Mark Luke and John
    St Paul and old Mathew
    Swing wide them golden gates
    I’m gonna come sweeping through

    ———-
    Over and Over

    Ive stood on the bank of a raging wide river
    trusting that Id get across
    Ive made my way through some valleys and deserts
    believing that Id never get lost

    Ive stood at the foot of what felt like Mt Everest
    knowing Id have the strength for the climb
    Cause through every trial, each test and temptation,
    one thing is sure every time

    Chorus
    Over and over again and again God is faithful
    Over and over again and again
    through it all Hes made me able
    To stand and survive to come through alive
    when it sure looked like I couldnt win
    Jesus is with me so I claim the victory
    over and over again

    Verse 2
    If you ask me why I have no hesitation
    God does what He says He will do
    Id simply say every battle has taught me
    theres nothing He wont help me through
    So why should I dwell on the hardships and struggles,
    when I look just beyond them I see
    The way this will end is with great celebration.
    Deep in my heart I believe:

    Chorus
    Over and over, again and again God is faithful
    Over and over, again and again
    through it all He’s made me able
    To stand and survive, to come through alive
    when it sure looked like I couldnt win
    Jesus is with me so I claim the victory
    over and over again

    To stand and survive, to come through alive
    when it sure looked like I couldnt win
    Jesus is with me so I claim the victory
    over and over over and over over and over again

    ———-

    Light at the River

    There’s a deep silent river flowin’ just beyond
    And its waters are deep and wide
    It’s as dark as the night but my eyes see a light
    Just down by the riverside

    Chorus:
    There’s a light at the river
    A light at the river a light at the river I can see
    My Lord will stand and hold in his hand a light at the river for me

    To this deep silent river I have come on my knees
    I’m afraid for I know I’ve sinned
    But the beckoning light leads me on through the night
    To the waters where my soul may be cleansed

    Repeat chorus

    I can hear His voice saying come unto me
    Dip your wings in the misty tide
    Then we’ll pass o’er deep and you’ll never more weep
    In your home on the other side

    Repeat chorus

    ———
    Out of His Great Love

    Out of His Great Love
    He picked me up
    Set my feet on a sturdy rock
    Out of His Great Love I’ve learned the meaning of Salvation out of His Great Love

    I had gone astray
    I had lost my way
    When I called upon His name.
    Then he rescued me
    And the song I sang,
    What a Loving God is he.

    Now I shout his praise
    Through all my days
    For his endless mercy and grace.
    There’s no other one
    Who has greater love.
    Where Joy I’ll ever say

    Out of His Great Love
    He picked me up
    Set my feet on a sturdy rock
    Out of His Great Love I’ve learned the meaning of Salvation out of His Great Love

    Salvation
    Out of His Great Love

  67. SFDBWV says:

    The future for us is well defined and laid out in Scripture. After the “great Tribulation” ends and Jesus in on His thrown in Jerusalem, Christians will co-reign with Christ for a thousand years.

    Reigning means governing. Governing means overseeing that place of responsibility given to us to “rule” over.

    There are people, 2/3s of the world’s population that survive the return of Jesus as Christ and He will rule over them and we will aid Him in that rule.

    As I understand it, things will go along well until God once again releases Satan from his “chains” and allows him once again cause man to sin. Bringing on the second resurrection and the “Great White Thrown Room of judgement” upon all the dead, Satan, his followers and along with death and hell they all being thrown into an eternal lake of fire forever.

    Rebellion once again against His “rule”.

    It looks like we are not going to escape “politics” until God makes all things new. Then again I wonder if rules and the enforcement of them will ever have an end.

    Steve

  68. poohpity says:

    This was the approach of Jesus to religion;

    He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    This was the approach of Jesus to politics;

    “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

    Did Paul ever have trouble admitting that he was a sinner? It seems he emphasized that he was chief among them but by the grace of God he continued to carry the Gospel to others so they could know the forgiveness, mercy and grace of God. Paul also used the very politics of the Roman Government to take the message through many provinces and eventually on to Rome.

  69. foreverblessed says:

    Today the sermon was about Psalm 1.
    The perfect man of Psalm 1 was Jesus.

    But tot add on what Steve said: the Pharisees did not think Jesus was that at all:
    Jesus set at the table of Zaccheus!
    Luke 19:1-9

    Psalm 1:1
    Blessed is the man
    a- who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
    b- or stand in the way of sinners
    c- or sit in the seat of mockers.

    Jesus dat, was sitting, at the table of a tax collector

    Walk stand sit
    Ever closer contact, with a sinner.
    That is just what Jesus did!

    Wow, just NOT the man of Psalm 1 according to the Pharisees!

  70. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus LIFE,
    How He lived
    Animated stories about Him.
    So the disciples did not have to quote Jesus a lot.

    What is Mart trying to say?
    Tpojap#2 what does that mean?

    Bambi, I get that, the movie.
    “nice shot” o dear, what a viewpoint!
    The boy saw the mother of Bambi as an animal, not as a person.

    Maybe we misunderstand a lot of the New Testament.

    The longing of God is that all men will be saved.

    All

    What if you execute a hardened criminal?

    As a Christian, I think:
    You send him straight to hell.

    Keep him under scrutiny, so that he can do no more harm in society.
    I was thinking of prison ministry,   Chris…

  71. foreverblessed says:

    But is Mart saying: can we not laugh as a family, here on this blog?
    Laugh about mistakes, unintended mistakes,
    Cry together in mishappening?

    People with autism are very black and white!
    Grey area’s they do not understand.
    How do you communicate?

    We are all loved by God.
    All of us
    The Holy Spirit knows all, but He takes the time.

    Live in the bounderies of the Love of the Spirit!

  72. poohpity says:

    Mart most often in his concluding paragraph(last paragraph) tells what he is saying in the preceding paragraphs. That is how anyone who writes, writes. There are rules for writers to follow like the first paragraph is a grab or introduction then followed by the substance or the body then the conclusion.

    “I’m guessing one of the reasons Paul, Peter, James and John wrote family-friendly letters with few word-for-word quotes of Jesus is that he had given them an animated understanding of words. Together they were learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus.”

  73. poohpity says:

    Part #1 was the last topic and this topic was the second part of the last topic thus TPOJAP #2 which was “The Politics Of Jesus And Paul”. The conclusion to both parts was the last paragraph in this post.

  74. poohpity says:

    So Mart plainly told us what he was saying in both!

  75. poohpity says:

    The problems come usually in how one reads what is written by taking parts out or adding to them rather than just accepting what is written and then commenting on that. People can twist the meaning as they do with the word of God to add their perspective or understanding rather than taking things a face value.

  76. Beloved says:

    Forever, about black and white thinking we see that so much in groups and individuals that only take words of scripture literally and directly applying them to themselves and others like only worshipping on the Sabbath, saturday. To be able to take the whole Word of God and see the message intended takes critical thinking which is sorely lacking and as you say could be from an autistic bent or an otherwise underdeveloped brain caused from injury illness or substance abuse. I think we need to be kinder and more understanding as a lot of people brought into the Kingdom, such as myself with damaged emotions caused by repeated traumas, need our compassion as well as help ( exhortation) to function as best we can within the Body giving glory to our great God! The hard part is doing day to day life with affection and without animus!

    Nice goal Mart. Maybe before we go Home? Not sure, we are a pretty broken lot here.

  77. jeff1 says:

    WE ARE BROKEN

    I know you’re hurting your heart needs healing,
    Let me dry your eyes I know your feeling;
    Like the sun will never shine again,
    Like the pain inside will never end;
    Sometimes it takes a little faith to mend.

    We are broken to become more beautiful,
    Tried by fire to shine like gold;
    We are shattered to free the diamonds in our souls,
    We are broken to be whole.

    Love let you fall, now you’re in pieces,
    And your thoughts are scattered, what are the reasons?
    Oh, but time will work as medicine,
    And you’ll find your wings to fly again;
    Higher than you’ve ever been.

    We are broken to become more beautiful,
    Tried by fire to shine like gold;
    We are shattered to free the diamonds in our souls,
    We are broken to be whole.

    Yeah, we are broken to be whole
    We are broken to be whole.

  78. Beloved says:

    Just had an after thought. We are Home in the sense that we are part of Gods Kingdom on earth. We just need to start acting like it.

  79. foreverblessed says:

    With affection and without animus

    Yes, Beloved, indeed, I have nothing to say, having been reared in a church which took the sabbath command as black and white.
    So I should lay it at God’s mercy seat: Here God, here they are. You have changed me, so You can change them. THat is what Paul said:
    The greatest sinner of them all was me, that should give everyone courage, He changed me, and so they can change them.
    free wording by me 1 Tim 1:15-17
    The book of Galatians is proof that he knew where he had been, and he was very very passionate about telling that Following Jesus is following a Living Person, the Word made Flesh, and not a set of rules.
    The Life of Jesus is IN us, and will change our heart, bit by bit.
    God is able…
    With God all things are possible.

    The same is with Jacob, God was able to train Jacob, from a very strong willed man, Jacob stands for the strong will of man. His self-will, that even if his will is the same as God’s will,(that the younger would receive the blessing) he was chasing after it in his own way.
    God could work His way into Jacob, till He found him at Pniel, and was surrendered to God.

    Such a good God, that stands for the work of the Holy Spirit,
    God the Holy Spirit trains each one of us.

    I have finished the book of Galatians, and it is so good. Especially for me.
    But the notion to put into living by rule is so great in us christians too.
    Even following Jesus can mean that we see the Beattitudes as a set of rules. But that is not the intent.

    while I am writing this I remember the Utmost of a few days ago.

    “No one can make himself pure by obeying laws. Jesus Christ does not give us rules and regulations— He gives us His teachings which are truths that can only be interpreted by His nature which He places within us.”

    THe teachings of Jesus can only be interpreted by His Nature in us. And He places that within us, as we look up to HIm in Faith.

    SO we can talk about Jeus’s teaching, and yet have different outcomes, which is so frustrating.
    I thought that Paul was frustrated about the Galatians, he had told them the truth of the Gospel, that it was based on Grace. We do not accept Jesus plus the Law, it is surrendering to Jesus full stop.

    And yet we have our old inclinations that are so hard to die. (The type of Jacob comes in again)

    “I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” Gal 2:20

    The crucifying of our old man. but when we accepted Christ at that moment we were hanging with Him on the Cross. It is a done deal, that we do not realise that much. That comes later.

    while I was searching for that part in my utmost, I found this one

    My Utmost of today, that touched me:
    “What is my vision of God’s purpose for me? Whatever it may be, His purpose is for me to depend on Him and on His power now. If I can stay calm, faithful, and unconfused while in the middle of the turmoil of life, the goal of the purpose of God is being accomplished in me. God is not working toward a particular finish— His purpose is the process itself. What He desires for me is that I see “Him walking on the sea” with no shore, no success, nor goal in sight, but simply having the absolute certainty that everything is all right because I see “Him walking on the sea” (Mark 6:49). It is the process, not the outcome, that is glorifying to God.”

    So the process is giving to Jesus where we missed, and saying sorry to our fellow man, that is also very very much part of it. You do that a lot Beloved, saying sorry when you were frustrated again. (As I understand your frustration very well.)

    But with God all things are possible.
    We have to wait for Him.
    It is His business.

  80. foreverblessed says:

    We are broken

    Beautiful song Jeff,
    I heard this song,

    Andrew Peterson at the Sing! Conference – Is He Worthy?

    if you do a search you will find it, the singer sings and a choir answers, and humms in the backround,
    It sounds like a choir of angels, and it is about Revelation 5:1-14

    He is worhty
    Jesus is, the Lamb that was slain.

    I heard a preacher say once: There is more mention of the Lamb in Revelation than of a Lion.

  81. Beloved says:

    Yes Forever, good words,
    I have a large plaque on the wall that says,
    Be strong and take heart and wait for the LORD. PS 27:14

    Waiting is the hardest thing, waiting to be different (less sinful) and more patient with others. My response is just as important to God as my words and actions.

    Oh to be like Him. More like Jesus as the song and cry of my heart goes.

  82. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    Beloved, I was a teenager when Karla Faye Tucker was found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. The first time I saw her on television was right before she was told to start preparing for her execution (so the year must have been 1998). During her interview, she was discussing what she wanted for her last meal. I remember it being something very simple like oatmeal and fruit, but, I looked it up on the internet, it was actually a garden salad with ranch dressing, a banana and a peach.

    Side Note: I wonder if people in other countries eat ranch dressing?? I’m curious because it’s so popular in my neck of the woods.

    What I find interesting about Karla is how she lived when she was on death row. Her life was dramatically changed when she confessed her sins to Jesus and accepted Him in her heart as her Lord and Savior. After her conversion, she was a model prisoner. And I think her testimony was the catalyst that provoked some fellow inmates to commit their lives to Jesus. And, you’re right, in a northern state she might have received the lesser sentence of life in prison (without the possibility of parole). You are also right regarding the families that we’re born to… Some people are born into excellent families, some people are born into good families, and, sadly, some people are born into families that make them wish they had never been born.
    Thinking… what a *blessing* it is to *know* the Lord… to know Him to be the KING of kings and LORD of lords! Jesus spoke a sobering word of truth when he said, “the harvest is ripe (so many millions of people still don’t know and need to know that Jesus loves them), but the laborers (those who know the Lord are, oftentimes, too distracted by the cares of this life and not in a position to win souls for Jesus) are few.”
    Steve, I was thinking about reading the book, “Helter-Skelter,” but I remember how emotionally painful it was to read Capote’s, “In Cold Blood.” So, I think I’m gonna pass on that one. Thank you for the compliment re: my comment on 7-27-19. I’ve learned so much from my BTA brothers/sisters (including you).

    95 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  83. street says:

    adam’s seed or cain’s seed. paul speaks of all sinning in adam in Genesis. one thing about the lines, priest prophets or kings, they were corrupt, even as all. we are told of the law coming and sin increasing! gee that doesn’t look good from this vantage point. yet in the law we see God chooses to redeem some , even before the law God chose to redeem some, abrham by faith.

    Then again I wonder if rules and the enforcement of them will ever have an end. abrham experience is one of faith not rules. Jesus lived by faith and was called every name in the jewish dictionary. the resurrection justifies sinner by faith in Christ, truly good news. living an animated life to follow the One you Love.

  84. street says:

    thinking of the foundation of david and his reluctance to confront sin in his life and in his family. all set to destory him his family and the nation God was building.
    4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

    1
    In the Lord I take refuge.
    How then can you say to me:
    “Flee like a bird to your mountain.
    2
    For look, the wicked bend their bows;
    they set their arrows against the strings
    to shoot from the shadows
    at the upright in heart.
    3
    When the foundations are being destroyed,
    what can the righteous do?”

    1
    In the Lord I take refuge.

    Psalm 3:3
    But you, Lord, are a shield around me, my glory, the One who lifts my head high.

  85. Beloved says:

    A favorite psalm

    ◄ Psalm 34 ►
    Taste and See that the LORD Is Good
    (1 Samuel 21:10-15; Psalm 52:1-9; Psalm 56:1-13)

    Of David, when he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, so that the king drove him away.

    1I will bless the LORD at all times;

    His praise will always be on my lips.

    2My soul will boast in the LORD;

    let the oppressed hear and rejoice.

    3Magnify the LORD with me;

    let us exalt His name together.

    4I sought the LORD, and He answered me;

    He delivered me from all my fears.

    5Those who look to Him are radiant with joy;

    their faces shall never be ashamed.

    6This poor man called out, and the LORD heard him;

    He saved him from all his troubles.

    7The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him,

    and he delivers them.

    8Taste and see that the LORD is good;

    blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!

    9Fear the LORD, you His saints,

    for those who fear Him lack nothing.

    10Young lions go lacking and hungry,

    but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing.

    11Come, children, listen to me;

    I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

    12Who is the man who delights in life,

    who desires to see good days?

    13Keep your tongue from evil

    and your lips from deceitful speech.

    14Turn away from evil and do good;

    seek peace and pursue it.

    15The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,

    and His ears are inclined to their cry.b

    16But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,

    to sever their memory from the earth.

    17The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears;

    He delivers them from all their troubles.

    18The LORD is near to the brokenhearted;

    He saves the contrite in spirit.

    19Many are the afflictions of the righteous,

    but the LORD delivers him from them all.

    20He protects all his bones;

    not one of them will be broken.

    21Evil will slay the wicked,

    and the haters of the righteous will be condemned.

    22The LORD redeems His servants,

    and none who take refuge in Him will be condemned

  86. street says:

    waiting watching praying staying awake….
    the whole earth is filled with His Glory!

  87. poohpity says:

    Regina, from what I have noticed about the workers being few is because not to many Christians even know what they believe or know what the Gospel actually is to be able to share it. BUT for those who are overcome by what the Lord has done for them can not keep it to themselves, it is like a bucket under a water fall, it floods out of them. To many seem to take the Lord for granted and as Jesus said when they count the cost they shrink back into keeping it a secret because they probably will not be able to take the rejection which does happen often.

    Or they are like the soil that Jesus mentioned;
    “Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown.”

  88. SFDBWV says:

    In the Book of Daniel Nebuchadnezzar dreamt of the statue of man, or more accurately said the “rule” of mankind from Babylon until its end.

    It is commonly accepted that the legs of iron seen in the statue was the Roman Empire.

    The political arena that both Jesus and Paul found themselves in was the rule of the Roman Empire as well as the secondary rule of their own religious system there in their own occupied country.

    Interesting that Israel was not allowed to execute a prisoner, only Rome was.

    All the world was seen by the Romans as either civilized or barbaric. A barbaric country was one that didn’t speak either Latin or Greek. And Judah and Israel certainly did not. Comprised of “tribes” and governed over by priests Rome placed their own “king” in order to appease the locals and give the appearance of some form of local control.

    However the cold hard brutality of the Roman Empire does indeed fit the description of “iron”.

    So both Jesus and Paul had to live in concert with two sets of “laws” in order to not offend the authorities all the while not giving up their obedience to God.

    Jesus when taken before Pilate was judged as innocent of violating any Roman law. This was because Jesus had not violated the rule of Caesar. However the Jew seen Him as a violator of their religious law and wanted Him executed for it.

    If I were to generalize the politics of Jesus it would be to obey the law of the land, to not offend any, where possible, and to help and aid His fellow man where and whenever possible all the while obeying the rule of God first.

    He was executed for doing just that.

    If I were to generalize the politics of Paul it would be the same and like Jesus, Paul was executed for it.

    As I see life, just as in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, todays rule (politics) are those feet of a mixture of iron and clay. Some strong some weak, the weak weakening the strong and the last days of the rule of man on the earth.

    Looking at the news every day or night the world continues to spiral downward into an ever increasing darkening evil of destruction. Odd that its destruction comes from the rock of our salvation, just as described in Daniel of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream.

    The “Great” and “Terrible” day of the Lord.

    Be ready, be looking.

    Steve

  89. SFDBWV says:

    I never knew anything about the religious or non- religious beliefs of Walt Disney, but he certainly wanted to make the world smile and more enjoyable.

    However Disney movies are not a favorite of mine. You have “Bambi”, “Old Yeller”, and “The Yearling” for starters and more recently “A Bridge to Terabithia”. All involve the death and loss of someone loved.

    If I am going to the movies it is to be entertained. I want to see the good guy win the bad guy lose, either in drama, action or comedy. If I want to see the pain of everyday life I simply look around me, in my life the lives of others or on the news. I’m not going pay a price to see it up on a silver screen.

    I guess the same could be said of my religious desires. I want good to triumph over evil and life to be filled with happiness and joy and all of the things that bring pain into the world done away with forever.

    God has promised that and I long for it with an aching heart.

    Just a few thoughts before my day gets too busy.

    Steve

  90. poohpity says:

    Steve, I did not know “A Bridge to Terabithia” was a Disney film. A Disney movie that did come out in 2007 the same time as “A Bridge” was a “Pirates of the Caribbean” movie. Argh! Matey.

    I went Friday with my one of my friends and saw the most recent release of a Disney movie “The Lion King” and earlier this month “Toy Story 4”. Two entirely different types of animation but both full of life lessons of loss and of joy.

    Sadly in life as Jesus warned good does not always triumph over evil in this world. In fact it seems that bad guys often win out over the good guys more often than not which is a lesson the Lord prepared us for but Paul taught us to overcome evil by doing good. There is a lot of good being done around the world, I would even venture to say more than bad but much to my dismay that does not make the news a much as the bad does.

  91. jeff1 says:

    C. S. Lewis whose insight is thought provoking.

    God became man to turn creatures into sons: not simply to produce better men of the old kind but to produce a new kind of man. It is not like teaching a horse to jump better and better but like turning a horse into a winged creature.

    Love is never wasted, for its value does not rest upon reciprocity.

    It is not your business to succeed, but to do right. When you have done so the rest lies with god.

    There is no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God, and counterclaimed by Satan.

    I know now, Lord, why you utter no answer. You are yourself the answer. Before your face questions die away. What other answer would suffice?

  92. Beloved says:

    I know now, Lord, why you utter no answer. You are yourself the answer. Before your face questions die away. What other answer would suffice?

    I thought of Job. The others are very good also, thanks Viv!

  93. Beloved says:

    I understand what you mean Steve. I tend to enjoy action movies where the enemy is defeated, whether both are bad guys/gals or not. Love to see justice as it reminds me of Revelation. Lion of Judah imagery fulfills my need for retributive justice. One movie I saw surprised me with how it turned out, it’s called Malevolent and may be a Disney not sure right now but it has a good moral.

  94. Beloved says:

    OOPS! That’s Maleficent not Malevolent two completely different movies. Didn’t even know there was a Malevolent movie but not surprised.

  95. Beloved says:

    I know what you mean Pooh, I really enjoy seeing stories of hero’s nowadays doing good in the world.

  96. street says:

    thinking about the parable of two debtors. i guess God and man are ok with mercy. it’s just when people who receive mercy and fail to give mercy that gets their dander up.

    i guess love would be the same way.

    John 15:25
    But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

    seems like love is unreasonable and faith is required. like when Jesus ate with sinners.

    You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
    You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.

    thinking of jerimiah in the pit and the 12 sent ahead of Jesus on the boat. thinking of the man who pulled jerimiah out of the pit and the man who met the 12 in the storm. men of faith, citizens of a city that could not be hidden. seems like the unmerciful debtor reveled his true identity.

  97. Beloved says:

    Does mercy follow justice or justice follow mercy? Chicken and egg dilemma I guess. Seems you can’t have one without the other. Oh He’s so good!

  98. Beloved says:

    No matter, love conquers all!

  99. Beloved says:

    Unmerciful debtor I am also. Jesus, please change me.

  100. street says:

    the politics of paul….

    1 Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, 3 but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,

  101. foreverblessed says:

    Karla Faye Tucker

    Her testimony really touched me!
    How beautiful.

    Except for the law is law kind of thing.

    O dear God forgive them

  102. foreverblessed says:

    Wasn’t mercy over judgment?
    Because of the Cross

  103. street says:

    14
    “Sacrifice thank offerings to God,
    fulfill your vows to the Most High,
    15
    and call on me in the day of trouble;
    I will deliver you, and you will honor me.”

    16 But to the wicked person, God says:

    “What right have you to recite my laws
    or take my covenant on your lips?
    17
    You hate my instruction
    and cast my words behind you.
    18
    When you see a thief, you join with him;
    you throw in your lot with adulterers.
    19
    You use your mouth for evil
    and harness your tongue to deceit.
    20
    You sit and testify against your brother
    and slander your own mother’s son.
    21
    When you did these things and I kept silent,
    you thought I was exactly like you.
    But I now arraign you
    and set my accusations before you.

    22
    “Consider this, you who forget God,
    or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:
    23
    Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me,
    and to the blameless I will show my salvation.”

  104. Beloved says:

    “Who is a God like You, pardoning iniquity and passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in mercy. He will again have compassion on us, and will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.” Micah 7:18-19.

  105. Beloved says:

    Esther 4:14 New International Version (NIV)

    14 For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father’s family will perish. And who knows but that you have come to your royal position for such a time as this?”

    Forever I was thinking that Karla’s testimony has touched many many people. Though she was put to death (her flesh) perhaps her “purpose” on earth was to show what a glorious God we have. That she willingly accepted her punishment is a great testimony to our God of grace and mercy. Eternally she lives!

  106. Beloved says:

    Another thought… we just need to “hold fast” our profession of faith no matter where we come from or whatever circumstances we are in today. Kings or paupers we are all the same and chosen for specific times and His good purpose. If we are His we have nothing to fear.

  107. Beloved says:

    Not even death.

  108. jeff1 says:

    God is with us from the cradle to the grave and beyond as He never leaves us.

    It is satan who goes about the earth like a roaring lion because as C. S. Lewis so rightly puts it he counterclaims all God has claimed.

    God does not tell us this world is not our home for no other reason than it is not.

    I am passing through and satan will do his best in my passing to make my life misery and he may succeed to cause me distress and doubt God’s goodness but then God comes along and reassures me that satan will have his day but that not satan nor hell itself can separate me from the ‘Love of God’ who is in ‘Christ Jesus’and all the truth’s that He has taught me through life come flooding back to me and I know I am His and He is mine just as He promises because God keeps His promises.

    The Promise

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me, you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side (yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you, oh
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  109. SFDBWV says:

    In Mart’s comments he wrote “Families that love together can laugh and cry together.”

    I am not sure where that comes into play whereas the politics of Jesus and Paul are concerned, but it certainly describes my family.

    If it weren’t for laughter and the humor that brings it life would be intolerable. A constant barrage of difficulties and troubles to overcome and get past. Certainly love and laughter does more than even out our emotions, it makes life worth living.

    I have told you all before that Matt asks me many dozens of times a day to let him kill himself. He also asks as often what reason does he have to live and that there is no reason for him to be alive.

    Usually I just answer that I love him and that we live for each other, but sometimes when he is in a frame of mind to listen, I ask him if he would really kill himself.

    He smiles and looks away exposing the truth that he would not. As the painful truth is that he wants a life complete with all the good things life can provide.

    Several years ago we had discovered Matt has an adrenal adenoma on his right kidney. Until we found out it was benign and only a fatty growth I worried it may be cancer. Matt could see through my worry right away and said simply to me “Don’t worry dad, I won’t leave you.”

    So I know his constant barrage of please let me kill myself, or I should have been aborted and never born is only a way of expressing his broken heart.

    I have over the years bought a plethora of DVD movies. All favorites of Matt’s and we watch them over and over again and again. He likes it that way as then he can remember the dialog and the events that he enjoys.

    He can remember. Something that was taken from him as a result of his brain injury.

    Every day I ask more from God for him and very day I thank God for what I have of him.

    Crying together doesn’t happen as Matt’s frustrations often come out as anger. Then all I can do is hug him and tell him I love him. I cry inside and alone with God, so does Matt.

    Though sometimes he needs a hug from his dad and I from him.

    Love is a powerful thing, but always accompanied with pain. I hope in that far off future when God makes all things new love is only happiness and joy void of any sadness or heartache.

    56 degrees with a threat of rain today.

    Steve

  110. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I love how you love Matt and how he loves you as that is what matters in ordinary life.

    I think of my own battle and pain with mental illness and of all the people who have loved me throughout it and how they have enriched my life while like Matt I have so often desired to be put out of my misery and yet here I am still believing that God has a better purpose then I can see.

    The strange thing is that I am never nearer God then when I am deeply depressed as that is when I know His presence.

    I will share with you something that both frighens and puzzles me and it is when I first experienced a ‘psychotic episode’.

    I had become so unwell that my own doctor would not treat me and put me in the hands of another doctor whom he claimed was more able in mental illness.

    I can see now that no one wanted to section me but my family and doctor knew there was no option.

    I recall talking to my brother-in-law and he had horns coming from his head and I knew then that God had left me.

    I knew I was in hell though instead of it being unbearably hot it was freezing cold and the people around me where like shadows and their voices I could not make out.

    After that I woke up in a hospital ward and I had been medicated so the episode had passed.

    I would spend some three weeks in hospital and five months recovering at home.

    Stress would trigger me to relapse and I would suffer less frequent episodes but frightening in that I would sense I was no longer in God’s safe keeping.

    It was my friend who would pray over me and by rubbing my feet would bring heat back to my freezing body that would reassure me that it was a spiritual attack and that God would not leave me.

    It has been her influence that keeps me to this day reassured that God’s purpose cannot be thwarted by any spiritual attack I come under from satan.

    I see that people like Matt and me are easy targets for satan and why God allows people like you and my friend into our lives to support and love us.

    My dad supported me all through my illness and was my rock but he died in the year 2000.

    Life is not easy and why we need others when the going gets tough.

    Love Lifted Me

    I was sinking deep in sin
    Far from the peaceful shore
    Very deeply stained within
    Sinking to rise no more
    But the Master of the sea
    Heard my despairing cry
    From the waters lifted me
    Now safe am I

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

    All my heart to Him I give
    Ever to Him I’ll cling
    In His blessed presence live
    Ever His praises sing
    Love so mighty and so true
    Merits my soul’s best songs
    Faithful, loving service too, to Him belongs

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

  111. jeff1 says:

    In friendship…we think we have chosen our peers. In reality a few years’ difference in the dates of our births, a few more miles between certain houses, the choice of one university instead of another…the accident of a topic being raised or not raised at a first meeting–any of these chances might have kept us apart. But, for a Christian, there are, strictly speaking no chances. A secret master of ceremonies has been at work. Christ, who said to the disciples, “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,” can truly say to every group of Christian friends, “Ye have not chosen one another but I have chosen you for one another.” The friendship is not a reward for our discriminating and good taste in finding one another out. It is the instrument by which God reveals to each of us the beauties of others.” – C. S. Lewis

  112. SFDBWV says:

    Viv you are a very wise woman and more like your dad than you probably realize. Thank you for your comments this morning. I too have walked through a dark and nightmarish valley into His loving arms.

    God has indeed blessed me with friends like you and others here, all for a reason and purpose of His design and will.

    Praying your day is filled with Him and His blessings.

    Steve

  113. Beloved says:

    Good morning fellow travelers. July 30 and an unbelievable 37 f this morning! Keep your chins up your hearts humble and have a God blessed day!

  114. Beloved says:

    Lamb of God
    Song by Twila Paris

    Your only Son no sin to hide
    But You have sent Him from Your side
    To walk upon this guilty sod
    And to become the Lamb of God
    Your gift of love they crucified
    They laughed and scorned Him as he died
    The humble King they named a fraud
    And sacrificed the Lamb of God
    Oh Lamb of God, Sweet lamb of God
    I love the Holy Lamb of God
    Oh wash me in His precious Blood
    My Jesus Christ the Lamb of God
    I was so lost I should have died
    But You have brought me to Your side
    To be led by Your staff and rod
    And to be called a lamb of God
    Oh Lamb of God, Sweet lamb of God
    I love the Holy Lamb of God
    Oh wash me in His precious Blood
    My Jesus Christ the Lamb of God
    Oh wash me in His precious Blood
    My Jesus Christ the Lamb of God

  115. jeff1 says:

    When it comes to knowing both God and human nature it seems C. S. Lewis was incredibly gifted and not therefor surprisingly he is arguably the most influential writer of his time.

    When you come to knowing God, the initiative lies on His side. If He does not show Himself, nothing you can do will enable you to find Him. And, in fact, He shows much more of Himself to some people than to others—not because He has favourites, but because it is impossible for Him to show Himself to a man whose whole mind and character are in the wrong condition. Just as sunlight, though it has no favourites, cannot be reflected in a dusty mirror as clearly as in a clean one.

    It costs God nothing, so far as we know, to create nice things: but to convert rebellious wills cost Him crucifixion.

    We are not merely imperfect creatures who must be improved; we are rebels who must lay down our arms.

    If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having.

  116. SFDBWV says:

    I tell this story again because it feels right to, not because of any connection to politics of any kind.

    That first few days Matt was in a coma in intensive care at Ruby Memorial Hospital there in Morgantown WV, my wife Rita and I along with a few friends and some family lived in a cubicle there in the hallway outside the ICU. (We ended up living there for almost a month, some 21 or 22 days.)

    I was in the glassed ICU cube Matt was in and as he lay there I standing beside him I noticed a woman dressed all in white like the doctors standing outside the room staring at Matt.

    She was blond and had her hair pulled back into a bun and as she stood there looking at Matt she was smiling.

    I thought that was a nice and kind gesture and turned my attention back to Matt. When I looked up again she was still standing there with a big grin on her face. I then thought how odd it was.

    As I stood there looking at her suddenly her expression was so intense I could actually “hear” her saying, “I am so happy for you Matt, so very pleased.”

    Then she looked up at me with a sad look.

    To say the least I was stunned at what had just taken place and when I looked down at Matt and back up she was gone.

    I kept the incident a secret for almost two weeks thinking I may actually see this “doctor” again, but by that time it was obvious to me she was not a member of the hospital staff, but had been an angel as by then I was familiar with all of the staff personnel involved.

    Only when I was certain the visitation I had witnessed had been a supernatural one did I share it with Matt’s mom Rita.

    Little did I know that in only a little longer than a year later Rita would die in that same ICU.

    Glenna says she knows why the angel looked sadly at me, having now lived with us these past 17 years. Though I don’t see anything but my care for Matt anything but a labor of love. Nothing to be sad about but a privilege and gift from God.

    Some things we know and more things we don’t, but this thing I know for sure God provides and I am to be thankful for that.

    There is a great deal more to our story, but I was urged to share this one with you today, I hope someone is blessed by it.

    Steve

  117. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    pooh, re: your comment on: July 28, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    “Regina, from what I have noticed about the workers being few is because not to many Christians even know what they believe or know what the Gospel actually is to be able to share it. BUT for those who are overcome by what the Lord has done for them can not keep it to themselves, it is like a bucket under a water fall, it floods out of them. To many seem to take the Lord for granted and as Jesus said when they count the cost they shrink back into keeping it a secret because they probably will not be able to take the rejection which does happen often.”

    I don’t think we can refer to someone as a “Christian” if they don’t know what they believe or know what the Gospel actually is… That person (or those people) are not in a position to have a (real) relationship with God because of unbelief. Hebrews 11:6 says, “Without faith it’s impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.” And you are right regarding those who are truly born again having a desire to SHOUT from the rooftop (to all who are willing to listen) about the love, liberty, freedom, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, transformation, provision, protection, healing, friendship and overall blessings they have found in their (life-giving) relationship with Jesus Christ.

    Steve, you shared interesting insight on the Roman empire and how it ties into 21st century “religion and politics.” And your comment earlier this morning truly touched my heart. I wholeheartedly agree that love and laughter make life bearable! Also agree with Jeff1, I *love* how you love Matt and how Matt loves you! I can truly sympathize and have empathy for Matt’s pain (and your pain—emotional and physical). Am thinking of Paul and his thorn in the flesh. He pleaded with the Lord 3 times to take it away, but Jesus said His grace was/is sufficient for him. I believe Jesus tells us the same thing regarding our thorns in the flesh. I thank God for taking care of you, Matt and all who truly love, honor, trust and depend on Him.

    forever, So glad KFT’s testimony touched you! It touched and comforted my heart too. So sorrowful that she had to leave the earth the way she did (thinking about the gruesome way that some of the disciples of the Bible entered glory), but truly happy that she’s in a much better place now. By the way, what did you mean when you said, “the law is law kind of thing?” And could you explain your thought here: “Wasn’t mercy over judgment because of the Cross?”

    Jeff1, Your testimony regarding your spiritual warfare with mental illness was a blessing to me. You are right in saying that the Lord gave Matt godly emotional/physical support through Steve,and He provided the same support for you through your friend. God said He would not put more on us than we can bear. My thoughts for now…

    Wow… Your neck of the woods is ((cold)), beloved! 87 degrees and glorious sunshine here. Wish I could share with you some of the warm weather and sunshine in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  118. Beloved says:

    Steve it’s very good to recall those mountain top experiences when down in the valley of the shadow. Good to look back and recall His faithfulness in the darkest of times. May you be refreshed and renewed in His love today.

  119. Regina says:

    Steve, your second comment this morning was also a blessing to me. Interesting that the angel that visited you and Matt was a woman… perhaps she was someone that Matt would have met if he had not had the accident (thinking about the Arch angel Gabriel and/or Michael… neither came for the visitation with you and Matt). Sometimes (maybe all of the time) our “valley of the shadow of death” experiences bring us much closer to God than we would be without those experiences. How old was Matt when he had the accident or illness that caused him to be hospitalized, and what reason did Glenna give for why the (woman) angel looked sadly at you??

  120. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I am very inspired by your story and it takes me back to a lady in her nineties (now deceased) that I visited and she told me of how she and her daughter(around 6) were standing at an airport waiting.

    Her daughter let go of her hand and run over to a nun who was standing and she ran after her daughter and apologised to the nun for her daughter’s intrusion but the nun explained but I was praying because I needed sixpence to use the telephone and your daughter has just come over and handed me sixpence.

    It is stories like this that remind me of God’s goodness and trustworthiness and as you say Beloved worth of recalling when I am in need of reassurance of His love.

    Regina, I have always been of the opinion that God leaves a thorn in my side to keep me humble because otherwise I could become unbearably self righteous and I hate it when it raises its ugly head in others and I am sure that God hates it when it raises its ugly head in me.

  121. Regina says:

    jeff1, as much as I might not want to admit it—I understand why the Lord does it—I think I’m still coming to terms with our need for a “thorn in the flesh”. It’s hard to admit that our “thorn” does keep us humble. Am thinking…?? Wouldn’t we be humble without it? Our brother, Paul, walked in a level of humility that was truly impressive to our natural mind, yet the Lord still allowed him to keep a “thorn in the flesh.” It was Paul whom the Lord used to write the book of Romans, and I want to focus on the 7th chapter of the book of Romans, and the profoundly wise words in, chapter 7, verses 14 through 25. Thinking (now) that God knows us infinitely better than we know ourselves.

    pooh, I was reading the book, “Hear My Heart” (Billy Graham) a few minutes ago, and he wrote something on page 70 of the book that goes along with what you shared with me in your comment about why you believe Christians don’t witness to others about Jesus… I’ll share Graham’s thoughts here:

    “The most important thing that has ever happened to us as Christians is our acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. We immediately want to share it with others. One of the greatest tragedies of our day is that so many professing Christians lack the desire to share their experience with others. Dr. James S. Stewart of Edinburgh has said: ‘The real problem of Christianity is not atheism or skepticism, but the non-witnessing Christian trying to smuggle his own soul into heaven.'”

  122. Regina says:

    Dear BTA friends,
    I have a prayer request that may seem bizarre, weirdly strange or even crazy, but I’m going to ask you all anyway… Please PRAY for my cell phone! There’s an evil, satanic app virus on it, and I can’t afford to take it to a computer repair place (like Best Buy, etc.) to get it fixed. No worries on my part because I’m connected and in covenant with Someone who has all authority on earth and in Heaven! It’s so shocking to me that the devil would get in an electronic device in an attempt to distract and torment God’s children (1 John 3:1-2). I’m sure I’m not the only one that he’s trying to distract and stress out through an electronic device. Nevertheless, like many other believers, I know that there’s POWER, POWER wonder-working POWER in the precious blood of the Lamb! I ask that you all would plead the blood of Jesus over my cell phone, and ask (with me) that the Holy Spirit will invade every part of it with His supernatural power. Thank you so much for your prayers! I’m sure many of you have stories about how the devil tried to distract you with an electronic device. Isn’t it shocking how he will try to use ANYTHING to get us to take our eyes off Jesus???

  123. Beloved says:

    I know how frustrating electronics can be!!! We once had a copier that many swore had a demon, turned out to be sensitive to humidity! Might try doing a “reset” in the general settings? No guarantee but I’ve done this when my phone was messed up. Usually works though. If you call your carrier they may have some ideas.

  124. bratimus says:

    It is always good to jump to Romans 8:1-11 after reading Romans 7:14-25, just so that guilt and despair doesn’t jump in.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  125. jeff1 says:

    Regina says:
    July 30, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    jeff1, as much as I might not want to admit it—I understand why the Lord does it—I think I’m still coming to terms with our need for a “thorn in the flesh”. It’s hard to admit that our “thorn” does keep us humble. Am thinking…?? Wouldn’t we be humble without it?

    Just want to clarify that it was my own weakness I was thinking of as I get annoyed with myself when I struggle with
    thinking I am right when I know I must be focusing on God being right.

  126. Beloved says:

    Thorn

    Curious so I had to look up the verse. In 2 Corinthians 12:7-9, Paul says, “And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    The thorn was given so that Paul “ would not be exalted above measure through the abundance of revelations” God did not want Paul to be worshipped because of revelations He gave to him. I think I it would have been easy to worship Paul unless he had deformities of some sort, whether for his own humbling or others to see he was not perfect as some may have expected his miracles could surely have “ fixed” himself also.
    Just my thoughts here.

    I think my own deformities remind me daily that He is God and I’m not as I could easily become prideful and lose my inheritance. Jacobs limp also comes to mind. If we don’t have a limp someone said we are not true
    followers of Christ. (So much for the health wealth and prosperity teachings.)

  127. street says:

    thinking about the Grace of God in a world and body made of the dust that has been cursed. the grace of a new birth.

  128. Regina says:

    I get “frustrated” when I go to the gas station and the line at the pump is long or when I go to the grocery store and have to contend with the same thing (a long line). All due respect, but in my years of walking with the Lord, He’s taught me the difference between “frustration” and “satanic attack.” I did go to my phone service provider, and, at worse, they were unconcerned about the issue and, at best, they were helpless to do anything about it [except suggest that I (spend more money to) upgrade to an I-Phone]. Over the years, I’ve learned that I can take anything to the Lord in prayer… that He’s concerned about what I’m concerned about. And I believe that if my brothers/sisters in the Lord join with me in prayer regarding that satanic virus on my phone, the Lord Jesus will hear us and help me.

  129. Beloved says:

    The esv says “So to keep me from becoming conceited”. Conceited is a better translation and easier to connect with.

  130. Beloved says:

    Praying Regina!

  131. Regina says:

    jeff1 says:
    July 30, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    “Just want to clarify that it was my own weakness I was thinking of as I get annoyed with myself when I struggle with
    thinking I am right when I know I must be focusing on God being right.”

    I understand, jeff1, just wanted to point out that you made a good point when you talked about the “thorn in your side” that you believe the Lord gave you to keep you humble.

    bratimus, I don’t need to read Romans 8:1-11 as a buffer against guilt and despair. I feel elated after reading Romans, 7th chapter… a godly brotherly/sisterly unity that leaves me feeling joyously happy in the triumphant, victorious POWER of Jesus Christ over sin and death! And we are overcomers in Christ Jesus because He gave us power over sin (Romans 7:24-25).

  132. Regina says:

    Thank you for your prayers, beloved!

  133. poohpity says:

    Regina, I so enjoy praying for anything even a phone. I told my provider that there was something wrong with my phone and needed an upgrade which would have cost only 5$ but they sent me the same type of phone but this new one works, lol. Here all the time I thought it was me and my lack of having skills with electronic devices. lol. It was one of those Chinese free phones from Obama.

    For the last couple of days for my oldest son’s birthday, 32 today, we went to a resort out on the Fort McDowell reservation. The best birthday we have celebrated in 5 years. Most of the time he tried to convince me to get an iPhone showing me all the features that it did. I rolled my eyes knowing how hard it was to learn how to do this phone I already have and that one does so much more. I would be in way over my head to say the least. lol

  134. street says:

    dear regina, my audiologist advised me to try putting a hearing aid i have in a jar of rice to dry it out. seem they were flooded with complains because of high humidity in my area. the rice draws the moister out electronic equipment. i have done this twice and it has helped me out.

  135. foreverblessed says:

    Am praying too, Regina!

    Congratulations with your son Pooh!
    May God bless hun, and you.

    Regina, you can look up the website of AVG.
    Maybe a neighbor, or someone other with computer knowledge, can help, and scan your phone.

    AVG has free anti-virus.
    ( They only ask for un upgrade once in a while, you just refuse the upgrade).

    In my area there are computer specialists, who help people with low income. Do you have domeinen like that in your area, try and look for someone.

    And doing it together with Jesus! That’s what you already do!
    But Jesus has other views than we do, His thoughts are higher than ours.

    Like, as you say, standing in a line has a different dimension when you picture yourself in the heavenly realm with Jesus,
    And you start praying for the people in the line, praying for there souls!
    Praying that God would put seal on each one of them.
    And as I sense, you have a lot of faith in Jesus!
    Praying in faith precedes anything else we do.

    When we had trouble with the wall of our house, on the south side, the rain-side, the morter was crumbling, I had difficulty in despair, I had to fight despair in Jesus’ Name.
    Praying His blood over anxious thoughts.
    But then the Holy Spirit gave me a different viewpoint:
    Start praying for the people who are going to repair this wall

    So I asked God to lead me to the company that He wanted to bless through me.
    And there the ordeal became an adventure!
    Souls that would be blessed! That will live into eternity.
    This house has only a few years.

  136. foreverblessed says:

    Domeinen should be: someone,
    Do you have someone in your area that help people with low income,
    Our church has a ministry like that in our city.
    But also social people, welfare workers, how do you call them..

  137. jeff1 says:

    Give Me Joy In My Heart

    Give me joy in my heart, keep me praising,
    Give me joy in my heart, I pray;
    Give me joy in my heart, keep me praising,
    Keep me praising till the break of day:

    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King of kings.
    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King.

    Give me peace in my heart, keep me loving,
    Give me peace in my heart, I pray;
    Give me peace in my heart, keep me loving,
    Keep me loving till the break of day:

    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King of kings.
    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King.

    Give me love in my heart, keep me serving,
    Give me love in my heart, I pray;
    Give me love in my heart, keep me serving,
    Keep me serving till the break of day:

    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King of kings.
    Sing hosanna, sing hosanna,
    Sing hosanna to the King.

  138. bratimus says:

    Regina,

    When I post Books, Chapters and verses from the Bible. It is usually not just for those who comment on the site, the hope is that their are more reading the site then commenting. I just get a feeling to add something.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  139. foreverblessed says:

    Just read all the comments,
    Thank you so much for your heart rending testimonies, Jeff and Steve!
    Regina, I reacted to Beloved who asked: which one was first: judgment or mercy, the chicken and the egg, she said.

    For me counts: Psalm 136:1-26
    His love endures forever
    Love- lovingkindness – mercies

  140. jeff1 says:

    1 Thine be the glory, risen, conqu’ring Son:
    endless is the vict’ry thou o’er death hast won;
    angels in bright raiment rolled the stone away,
    kept the folded grave-clothes where thy body lay.

    Refrain:
    Thine be the glory, risen, conqu’ring Son;
    endless is the vict’ry thou o’er death hast won.

    2 Lo! Jesus meets thee, risen from the tomb;
    lovingly he greets us, scatters fear and gloom;
    let the church with gladness, hymns of triumph sing,
    for her Lord now liveth, death hath lost its sting. [Refrain]

    3 No more we doubt thee, glorious Prince of life;
    life is naught without thee: aid us in our strife;
    make us more than conqu’rors, thro’ thy deathless love;
    bring us safe thro’ Jordan to thy home above. [Refrain]

  141. SFDBWV says:

    Most all who have been following BTA for many years know of my backyard and all the “critters” that come to visit, eat and leave with more than a picture or two, but usually with an impact on me.

    The ugly side of the word “politics” is also clearly seen there on my feeding rock as well.

    I have always had some Grackles come and feed and it has not really bothered me, as they are so large (stand about 12 to 14 inches) as they usually came as one or two, but this year I have as many as 10 or more at a time coming in to feed.

    Obviously birds that big eat a lot and leave very little for all the other smaller birds to eat. Not to mention my having to purchase more feed.

    The other morning while watching a mixture of the birds eating I did notice suddenly a big Grackle grab a little sparrow with his beak by the sparrows frail little leg pick it up and toss it aside out of the Grackles way as it greedily consumed all it could.

    The sparrow did squeal a chirp of distress and I do hope it wasn’t hurt too badly, but I suddenly adopted a new dislike for the big black bird with the white ring around its eyes.

    While I try and provide enough for all the critters to eat, I find the “pecking order” to remain the politics of feeding.

    Over my lifetime of watching wildlife I see that Disney has a good understanding of nature, but distorts how they actually exist adding the kinder more loving side of humanity instead of the very animal like and crueler side of humanity.

    I have watched adult deer kick and bite each other and antlered bucks knock over little fawns in order to control if and how feeding occurs. They will even stand on their hind legs and “box” with each other.

    Squirrels get along much better, but they too chase each other bullying their way as to who eats and who don’t.

    Yesterday I noticed an increase in my hummingbird population as what I suppose are migrating birds stopped by to feed for a few days on their way south.

    They are notorious for fighting over their feeders and I actually can at times hear their tiny little beaks clacking against the other in what can only be described as a sword like fight. However they then calm down for a moment take a sip break together before continuing their defense or aggression at the feeders.

    I am running out of time, but before I leave I want to as you about the politics in your own homes.

    Who is the alpha person who controls and has their way most often and who is subordinate? Is it actually shared? Really?

    Steve

  142. poohpity says:

    In my family growing up there was never a time that neither by brother or I could play our parents against each other. My dad and my mom stood up for each other as a team whether right or wrong we were not allowed to disrespect either of them as leaders of our home. In other words the kids did not run the home which in some homes today sadly the kids rule the roost and play one parent against the other and show total disrespect and cause injury to one or the other most often intentionally. They become the alpha through a complete lack of discipline of the parent, the one who usually thinks they are in the headship seat.

    In politics there is usually a big difference in the parties one side wants the government to control everything as well as all that the people do more and more while the other side wants less government control and more freedom of choice for the private industries/citizens and the government to work together, like a team, for the common good of all.

    Working for the common good of all seems to be the type of politics that not only God/Jesus had intended but it was the goal of Paul as well. To remember the things we have in common like the respect, honor and submissiveness to a higher authority than mere mankind. In other words the kids do not rule. ;-)

  143. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I enjoyed your comments on your birds. In answer to your question I have separated from my husband because he was too controlling and I took my children and left in the end.

    I say my children because he had not wanted a family and so he did not participate when they came along and it was help from extended family members that helped me raise them.

    These days I and he live alone and he visits me weekly and I help him cope with his dementia in what ever way I can.

    Both sons are now a way making a life for themselves and though he has not been part of their life he has in later years financially supported them and so I am thankful for small mercies as they say.

    To my thinking those who love the most sacrifice the most and that is much more likely to be woman in homes here and I am not saying that because I am a woman but because I see that woman in this country shall put their children’s needs before their own while men are more likely not to.

    It’s just my observation so I could be talking through my hat as it seems I more often am then not.

  144. bratimus says:

    Steve,

    My housing situation is different then most, I’m basically just a guest passing through because I’m not of this world. Who is the head of the household where I dwell hard to say. As I am a Temple of God and the room I lay my head in I made a sanctuary for God, that would make God my Alpha. Now as far as who the alpha is in the dwelling I live in I think that is up for grabs, but I’m fine with being the omega. But then again I don’t live in the animal kingdom. So everyone positioning for alpha or betas are probably just doomed, forgetting that we are humans and God expects us to live as humans and not animals.

    The day will come when I move on from this dwelling to some where else.

    need a house guest LOL

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  145. Beloved says:

    Forever, I just read Spurgeons morning and evening. July 31 The ‘morning’ touched me very deeply and exactly what I needed to hear today…the ‘evening’ reminded me of you, singing eternally for God. Pray you are having a good day and God bless you abundantly!!

  146. Beloved says:

    Speaking of alphas, I immediately thought of Paul. A proud man driven by conviction of the Law who was changed dramatically by knowing Jesus.

  147. Beloved says:

    Pooh I’m so glad you got to celebrate your sons birthday, and at a lovely resort! Oh I know how precious those times are with our adult children! God bless you and your relationship with both of them. And may you have many more. In Jesus name, Amen!

  148. street says:

    thinking of the Alpha of Love

  149. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    July 31, 2019 at 8:47 am

    I didn’t find parentening easy so I am not going to say much about bad parenting but I had an exceptional parent in my dad as I know children back in the day who where beaten to be disciplined while my dad just had to look at me and I knew I had displeased him and he never laid a hand on us as children but my mum would just threaten us with telling him we where misbehaving and that was enough to rein us in.

  150. Beloved says:

    The King of love my Shepherd is,
    Whose goodness faileth never;
    I nothing lack if I am his
    And he is mine for ever.
    Where streams of living water flow
    My ransomed soul he leadeth,
    And where the verdant pastures grow
    With food celestial feedeth.
    Perverse and foolish oft I strayed,
    But yet in love he sought me,
    And on his shoulder gently laid,
    And home, rejoicing, brought me.
    In death’s dark vale I fear no ill
    With thee, dear Lord, beside me;
    Thy rod and staff my comfort still,
    Thy cross before to guide me.
    Thou spread’st a table in my sight;
    Thy unction, grace bestoweth:
    And O what transport of delight
    From thy pure chalice floweth!
    And so through all the length of days
    Thy goodness faileth never;
    Good Shepherd, may I sing thy praise
    Within thy house for ever.

  151. street says:

    Blessed be the LORD and His Kingdom forever.

  152. jeff1 says:

    Beautiful hymn, Beloved.

  153. street says:

    our daily bread was pretty good today. 7/31/2019

  154. bratimus says:

    Oh Steve,

    Have you ever told the birds to behave and stop fighting and being mean to each other.

    Just a thought

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  155. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    Thank you pooh, forever, street, beloved and anyone else who’s praying or offered advice for my phone situation. Your prayers are working! The evil pop up apps that were popping up at all times of the day and night have definitely subsided. forever, I’ll consider looking into AVG, though I doubt that we have anything like that in my neck of the woods. My phone only cost me a little more than a $100.00, and it’s almost two years old. Nevertheless, it’s still valuable to me, and I’m grateful for it. The only thing wrong with it is the ugly app virus on it (believing the virus is gone in the name of Jesus). I’ll keep you all posted regarding what’s going on with it.

    pooh, I’m so glad you enjoyed your day out with your son at a fabulous resort! I hope the both of you came back home rested and rejuvenated.

    Steve, I enjoyed reading your comment about the wildlife in your backyard, and I’ll write more about that tomorrow. I just returned home from a blessed ordinary day, and now I’m ready to relax for the evening.

    92 degrees and clear in my neck of the woods. We had our first 100 degree day a couple of days ago! It was hot! Was longing for some of your cooler weather, beloved.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  156. Regina says:

    Oh, and ok, Bratimus, re: why you suggested Rom. 8:1-11 as a comforting scripture after reading Rom. 7:14-25. I actually think Romans 7:14-25 is comforting! :-)

  157. jeff1 says:

    bratimus says:
    July 31, 2019 at 10:12 am
    Steve,

    My housing situation is different then most, I’m basically just a guest passing through because I’m not of this world.

    Isn’t that true of us all whether I see it that way or not.

    I have learned much from others as the job I was in brought me into everyday contact with tradesmen.

    There was one in particular who caused the boss great concern as he used very bad language in front of clients and they would complain to the boss about his filthy mouth.

    I soon got to realize that for him it was a habit and not him being offensive towards anyone as he wasn’t that type of person.

    In truth he was hard working, quiet natured and a very good tradesman.

    The boss spoke to him about his language but William as he was called would when something was frustrating him forget his promise to tone it down and the boss says you could hear him from yards of cursing to the equipment when it wasn’t working quite as he expected it to.

    Years passed and I would meet him again and he recognised me and we had a conversation which made me see a side to William that I had not seen before.

    I asked him how he was and the conversation went in the direction of his neighborhood and local pub.

    He told me of a neighbour who owned land and was well of by all accounts but he would come into the pub and deave their head worrying about his land and assets.

    William said it became quite tiresome listening to his moaning so he retorted back to him that if he stopped to think about it he was just passing through this world as whatever he owned was just on loan to him and he was like the rest of us a carer in this world taking care of what he had been given as he had come into this world naked and naked he would return.

    I smiled when I though of William’s wisdom as it struck me that if I were to consider his words more deeply then I too might spend less time being anxious about things and instead put my whole heart into looking after what God has put into my care now.

    William and his wise words to his neighbour made me think that if I did less complaining and being anxious and got on with what God had put in my care then I might just please God in the process.

    I only knew William in a work environment and I am not sure if he was a god fearing man but his vision to me was incredibly clear as to why he was here.

    I hadn’t though of myself as ‘a carer’ on this earth but William had planted a seed that has helped me understand that I need to be taking care of what God puts in front of me now rather then getting anxious about what tomorrow will bring because this is my temporary home and I don’t know what tomorrow brings because as William say naked I come into it and naked I return.

  158. poohpity says:

    When I think of all the wonderful gifts God has given us and how often I take them for granted it brings great sorrow to my heart. I miss use His love, forgiveness, grace and mercy when I fail so miserably of showing those things to others often even to myself.

    The freedom found in those things but it seems being chained to harsh standards that no one can reach echos in my heart. God seems to have favorite children just as most parents do but with God each person is His favorite child. I want to live knowing that I am His favorite child and treating others like they are too. I wonder if I will ever get to that point or if I will continue to let the enemy beat me over the head that unless I do all kinds of things to please God, He will not be pleased with me. To think that if God is already pleased with me just the way I am because I believe in Him seems almost impossible because I look at God and think He thinks like humans do and that is where I stumble so badly.

    In the politics of God, He knows our scars. Those very scars are proof that God heals and restores. So I some what understand in the politics of Paul why he praises God in his weaknesses because it is then one depends on God’s strengths and not on our own resources, knowledge, understanding and wisdom.

  159. poohpity says:

    It seems when we depend on our own resources, knowledge, understanding and wisdom that is when if anyone says anything against us it causes us much pain and hurt but if we know who we are to God what people say will be more like a piscky fly than a damaging blow to our heart. When we live for the praise of people we will be crushed under their criticism. John 12:43 NLT

  160. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    I pray that you’re all well rested on this beautiful day that the Lord has made and gave to us to enjoy.

    BTA friends, I thought about my phone situation again. I thought… we’re praying and asking Jesus (the Son of God) to remove that hideous “dis–ease” of app virus off my phone. So, if we’re going to Jesus with my request, we have to leave my phone situation at His feet. In my mind, it wouldn’t be wise to go back and pick it up and take it to someone else to fix it. No one else has more power to fix it than Jesus. So, I had to make a decision… I’m either going to trust JESUS to fix it, or I’m going to trust “man” to fix it. I decided that I’m going to trust Jesus. I’m not going anywhere else for help regarding my phone unless the LORD speaks to my heart and (specifically) sends me somewhere else. I *believe* that Jesus can fix my phone, and I don’t have to go anywhere except on my knees in prayer (and thank you so much to all who are praying with me).

    Steve, I love it when you share your “backyard chronicles” of the goings-on with wildlife who come to your house for food. Think it’s very kindhearted of you to feed them and help them have strength for their journey of life. Wow! I never would have thought that animals were “political” too. Interesting that the stronger animals intimidate and bully the weaker ones into subordination so they can get the “lion’s share” of the food. Bullying and intimidation are tactics of the devil… even animal nature suffered because of the fall of man. Brings to mind Darwin’s theory of “survival of the fittest,” thinking Darwin’s theory specifically relates to the animal world. Human beings, and, more specifically, those who have been regenerated–made new by the blood of Jesus–don’t fit in his theory because God gives supernatural life, strength and vitality to all who are a new creation in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17). Had never heard of the Grackle bird until I read about it in your comment (looked up an image of it on the internet). I thought it was gonna look more like a Vulture, but I think it actually looks more like a Raven. Well, will chat more later… off to eat breakfast and do some quiet reading. On vacation right now… will return to work on Monday. I LOVE it when the Lord allows us to get good rest (Psalm 23:1-3).

    82 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  161. poohpity says:

    The best ROI (return on Investment) is when we invest ourselves in the love of God and cling to Him.

  162. Regina says:

    Wow, pooh! We posted a comment at the same time! :-)

  163. poohpity says:

    Regina, I would like to offer something to think about. God works on people that are broken then gives them gifts to serve others. God has given abilities to stone carvers and masons, cloth makers, jewelers and etc. you get the point so He also has given people the abilities to fix phones that is their gift.

    No one ever laid a pile of wool from sheep at the feet of the Lord and asked Him to weave it into thread and take that thread and weave it into cloth but gave people the ability to do that work. By the work of our hands. Psalm 90:17

    Paul never laid the skins of goats and sheep at the feet of Jesus and asked Him to build a tent. He was taught that craft just as many are taught crafts to help others and to make money to live on.

  164. poohpity says:

    God gave the people in the wilderness manna but it was up to them to bake it into wafers. God gives us the resources and leaves it up to us to make them into something usable.

  165. poohpity says:

    People are God’s handiwork. Eph 2:10 NLT

  166. street says:

    thinking of the the politics of taking and receiving. not the same.

  167. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    August 1, 2019 at 8:51 am

    When we live for the praise of people we will be crushed under their criticism. John 12:43 NLT Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)

    It is true that expecting praise from others is fruitless as I discovered early on in my school life when a teacher took a dislike to myself and two other pupils in our class.

    We never could do anything right in her eyes and ended up hating the subject and glad to get away from the school and the teacher.

    When I met this teacher years later I wanted to confront her but my friend (also a victim) talked me out of it and having sought the help of God to forgive and forget I am thankful that I now can have a conversation with her as if nothing ever happened.

    Harsh words and conditions can take their toil and why looking to Jesus brings so much comfort and encouragement.

    It reminds me that with Him I am still loved and cared for and that there will always be people who find fault and put you down but He will always be there to lift you up again.

    He makes living in this world worthwhile and not their prejudices or dislikes can change that.

    I am learning to be secure in Christ rather than weak in my own failings.

    God sent His son, they called Him Jesus
    He came to love, heal and forgive
    He lived and died to buy my pardon
    An empty grave is there to prove my savior lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    How sweet to hold a newborn baby
    And feel the pride and joy He gives
    But greater still the calm assurance
    This child can face uncertain day, because He lives

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    And then one day, I’ll cross the river
    I’ll fight life’s final war with pain
    And then, as death gives way to victory
    I’ll see the lights of glory and I’ll know He reigns

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

    I can face tomorrow
    Because He lives, all fear is gone
    Because I know He holds the future
    And life is worth the living, just because He lives

  168. Beloved says:

    Viv I have been studying Isaiah 42:3 all morning after a very difficult day yesterday and just read this:

    He does not cast away, nor crush, nor condemn the wounded in conscience, those who are terrified in view of their sins; the weak in faith and practice, but watches over and cherishes them, makes them whole, and affectionately embraces them. Martin Luther

    To remind myself that I am whole in Christ makes the bad memories fade away.

  169. Beloved says:

    Being “affectionately embraced by God” is the perfect description of how He makes me feel.

  170. Beloved says:

    Remembering a story told many times over by pastors throughout the years of 3 nuns trapped high in a tree surrounded by flood waters. They prayed hard and expected and believed God would reach down and rescue them. Along comes a boat and an offer to climb in. They refused saying God was going to rescue them. Next came a helicopter dropping a line with a chair and hearing get in the chair, but they refused saying, No, God is going to rescue us! Pretty soon the waters overtook them and they all drowned. When the saw God face to face in heaven they asked , but why did you let us drown? God said, I sent you a boat then a helicopter why didn’t you accept my help?
    There are many different versions of this little story but mine is also my version. There is a wisdom in it though.

  171. jeff1 says:

    That verse from Martin Luther is beautiful and thank you for sharing.

    You are so right, Beloved, it is what I am in Christ and not the fact that I struggle with my weaknesses that matters as I have by now discovered that everyone has weaknesses but thankfully we have different weaknesses which is what makes us dependant on each other to survive in this world.

    By caring for each other we please God and we shouldn’t stop caring while we have breath in our bodies as the world can be difficult not just for those of us who put our faith in God but for those who do not.

    We are much more alike than we are different though we have different views and responses but our desire to do God’s will and not our own is what unites our efforts.

  172. Beloved says:

    I think it’s Christ that unites us, whether we like it or not, sometimes. From the very least to the greatest even though we may not have much in common we have the same Father. Sibling rivalry-fighting-bickering etc are all common but like you say to do Gods will, loving blessing honoring others as better than ourselves and helping each other when in need are glorifying to God. At the end of the day will people see Christ or the same stuff you hear about on the news or family court.

  173. Regina says:

    Thank you for the advice, pooh, but, if you refer back to my previous comment, I said if the Lord sent me somewhere for service for my phone I would go. My phone service provider doesn’t provide anything for free. No company does in my neck of the woods… In this state I have two choices (at least as far as they’re concerned): 1. upgrade to a new phone or 2. live with the virus. I chose prayer. And my last paragraph is directed towards whoever thinks I’m being foolish for trusting Jesus to remove the virus off my phone… If I were stuck in a tree during a storm and a boat came by to save me, I would jump in. Some situations are “no brainers.”

    Love to all,
    Regina

  174. bubbles says:

    Regina, there are places that have very affordable phones and you can buy minute cards to add minutes on the phones. Just a thought for you if things are an issue. Hope things work out.

  175. Beloved says:

    Prayer is always the best thing. He cares about every little detail of our lives. If you think your phone is truly demonized I would get rid of it asap. That’s my practical advice from one who has had to get rid of several things because they had spirits attached to them. Peace is priceless. God will supply your needs!

  176. Beloved says:

    Sometimes I’ve had to open my hands to receive from God. I’ve never been disappointed. Letting go is hard though, i know. It’s about trusting God, faith, for what we can’t even imagine He wants to do for us, His beloved children.

  177. Beloved says:

    Regina I’m not accusing just sharing my experiences on my own faith walk with Jesus.

    Father I pray you will give Regina wisdom about her phone problem and bless her. In Jesus name, amen.

  178. jeff1 says:

    Put Your Hand in the Hand

    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who stilled the water
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who calmed the sea
    Take a look at yourself
    And you can look at others differently
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    From Galilee

    My momma taught me how to pray
    Before I reached the age of seven
    When I’m down on my knees
    That’s when I’m closest to heaven
    Daddy lived his life, two kids and a wife
    Well you do what you must do
    But he showed me enough of what it takes
    To get me through, oh yeh!

    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who stilled the water
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who calmed the sea
    Take a look at yourself
    And you can look at others differently
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    From Galilee
    Oh yeh!

    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who stilled the water
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who calmed the sea
    Take a look at yourself
    And you can look at others differently
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    From Galilee
    Oh yeh!

    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who stilled the water
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    Who calmed the sea
    Take a look at yourself
    And you can look at others differently
    Put your hand in the hand of the man
    From Galilee
    Oh yeh!
    Put your hand in the hand of the man from Galilee
    Put your hand in the hand of the man from Galilee, Oh yeh!

  179. SFDBWV says:

    My life of late has been overwhelming, it seems my days are filled to the bursting point if there is such a point in a person’s life.

    In the mixture of thoughts that possess my mind I seem always to be trying to see what example of Scripture may fit into whatever situation I am thrust into.

    Of late I have been thrust into more and more and I wonder where God is taking me as I hope I am doing right.

    I get up around 3 am anymore as Matt, though awake, doesn’t want to get out of bed until 4:10. So I set in the dark in my big chair and ponder the coming day, have a never ending conversation with God and focus on the events ahead.

    Once he has gotten up and had his breakfast and I have made his bed, and whatever other immediate chores accomplished I set then down here at the computer with a cup of coffee or two and try and relax.

    It is then after attending to emails and a brief look at the news that I come to BTA to visit with you my friends to see what may be on tap.

    We all seem to fit into Ecclesiastes 12:12 especially the Living Bible translation that says that there are no end to opinions and no end to those ready to express theirs.

    Me too. There is just something very human about wanting to get in on whatever conversation and to give our own take on it.

    However we must always be sure and not “butt” in where not wanted and to be painfully aware of the feelings of another by how and what we may say.

    I believe the old adage that may apply is to not open your mouth until you engage your brain, something like that anyway.

    Whereas prayer is concerned I have written out and framed on my wall just above me here at the computer Philippians 4:4-7 KJV a reminder to bring everything to God in prayer. Remembering that “everything” is all inclusive.

    Intercessory prayer is one of the things that knit us all together in fellowship and a vital part of being “Christian”.

    I pray for successful prayer for all and any who ask it of me. I think God considers that the most important thing we can do for another. And of course if in a position to answer that persons need then provide whatever is provided to do so, remembering it is God who provides our needs.

    Well thank you all for allowing me to visit this morning, I do hope all of you are filled today with His Holy Spirit and all things are good for you today.

    58 degrees and foggy.

    Steve

  180. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve, for your thoughts, about praying for one another. Someone asks for prayer, and then gets all extra advice.
    As I did too, I gave Regina advice, while she simply asked for prayer.

    Do I not remember that I asked for prayer? And what did I get? Questions and more questions, the christians around me, they wanted explanations, before they would pray.
    And not only that, they gave me lots of advice, ( Steve, you call it: everybody has his own opinions)
    Andere before anyone prayed I was already completely worn out.

    I ought to remember that!
    When someone does a prayer request!
    Just intercessory prayer, we come before a God Who knows all, Who made all.
    He is more than capable.

  181. foreverblessed says:

    Auto correct:
    Andere= and before anyone had prayed I was completely worn out by all the different advice.

    Just to be still before the Lord,
    and wait before Him,
    How difficult that is.

    But we are disciples, we can trust Jesus that He started the work in us, He will finish it, as long as we keep our eyes on Him.

    And that work is so much slower than we want it to be.

  182. foreverblessed says:

    Regina, you had a questionnaire, what I meant:
    The law is the law.

    The law of the death penalty!
    I find it hard that a country, who is (was) christian, to have such an old testament law.
    But when I say that it sounds so demeaning to you, as if overhere on the other side of the oceaan, we are more sensible on this subject, that is.

    You can keep someone apart from society, from doing more harm, without having to kill him.
    And try to work on him, so he will come to his senses.

    We in our laws, have the differences in crimes: to have the ones who commit a crime under influence, or because of low IQ, not to lock them just up, but to put them in special cliniques.

    To me that sounds more Christlike. It may sound as if I find that superior, I do not want to sound prideful,
    but the Law is law kind of thing sounds old testamentic.

    I do not say: just forgive
    I said: keep society save from unrepentant criminals.
    Keep them apart, but don’t kill them, you would not want to send them straight to hell.

    And besides, what about all the wrong convictions?
    The innocent people?
    This week I saw the movie: the Shawshank Redemption

    It is a moving story, the man was innocent, wrong justice.
    He says: “I am innocent, as most are here” ( in this prison).

    In our country we had some huge lawsuit cases, that appeared to have been wrong. Initially the court of justice did not want to reopen the cases.
    law is law
    Ouch.
    Private people have worked on these cases for years and years, and in 5 court cases, it was found that the wrong ones were convicted.
    Ouch,
    That hurts for the court system.
    Just to say that it is not perfect in our country.
    But just for that reason alone, I am glad that these wrongly convicted prisoners did not get the death penalty.

  183. poohpity says:

    Regina, I apologize for offending you by giving an alternative way of thinking. I did pray first a few days ago. I do not know that much about electronics as I stated then but I thought there was a difference in who we buy a phone from(the brand name) and which company provides the connective services. I know I can call the provider and they can do things to my connection over the internet and it does not cost a thing or ask my son how to remove an app I have installed if I ever do.

    On his phone he has two screens fulls of different apps and recently he had installed one that can distort faces to show what one would look like when they are 30 years older than they are or younger. When he heard what the news said about it and who was the source he deleted it.

    I do not install apps on my phone just use it for phone calls and texting. I do not take selfies either but when I post a picture on facebook I use pictures others have taken from their phones then ask them to send it to me by way of an email then download it and copy over to facebook. See I am very primitive when it comes to technology and I am OK with that. I find it easier to talk face to face with people because over the internet I find the things we say get so twisted and the intent is often misunderstood without seeing the face and eyes of the other person.

    My kids who love texting know it is better to just call and talk to me. I actually believe the whole cell phone thing is from the devil to stop interpersonal relationships. Have you texted your prayers to God today or any day? I wonder if His cell phone works? A little humor to start the day.

  184. poohpity says:

    I do know that on the internet each kind of cell phone has instructions for it and that includes how to remove apps.

    Steve, it seems when Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes he was talking about all the study he did because he was brilliant and his intelligence was off the scale. He studied animal husbandry, things about plants, planets and many other things to feed his mind and found that there was so much he could still learn but in the end it serves no purpose and made him no happier in life than not knowing those things so deemed it all meaningless. The only thing he found meaning in was knowing God.

  185. Beloved says:

    Good one Pooh. I guess we all have opinions about how to respond when someone asks for prayer. My take is if someone asks for prayer because their fence was broken I would probably want to know more about it and offer ways to fix it if I had dealt with a broken fence before. I just might be Gods answer to that prayer. We are here to help one another, even though God does also use nonbelievers to help me at times but I still see them as Gods answer to my prayer. Pride goeth before a fall I read and I know all about that!
    Gods mercy on all today,
    Love to all!!

  186. Beloved says:

    In my Bible study we have a nurse and a doctor/missionary to a third world country that’s with us several months out of the year as her visa says she has to return to America for a time. Anyway, my point is when someone shares a prayer need we all discuss it first and offer expertise in our areas of knowledge, then we pray. In a group of older people it’s great to have their input as well as comfort and support. But we all know that ultimately it’s God that answers every need. The sharing creates unity under Gods hand of mercy. That’s how we function politically, that’s how we roll!

  187. poohpity says:

    I like to pray first then take some time before I respond. I totally understand that advice is only good when it is sought out which Regina did not ask for any. But for me I do relish when someone gives me a different way to think about things because I can get stuck in my own head and I “can’t see the forest for the trees”.

  188. poohpity says:

    “can’t see the forest for the tress” is actually a political term when a politician gets so stuck on the minor details they can not see the impact in/on the larger scheme of things.

  189. Beloved says:

    Usually when someone doesn’t want advice or share information they ask for an “unspoken” prayer, that’s what we do anyway. I guess on here it’s probably best to think of all requests as unspoken. My apologies also.

  190. poohpity says:

    In the picture above when Bambi first saw that thing that landed on his nose he called it a “bbbirrrd” until he learned it was a butterfly. He called the black and white creature “flower” before he learn he was a skunk because he was eating the flowers in the flower patch.

  191. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!Forever, 30 states in the U.S. have the death penalty and 20 do not. The federal gov also has the death penalty but has a small percentage of the inmates awaiting execution.According to my informaion, states that do not have the death penalty include West Virginia, Minnesota and Michigan.My state does have the death penalty and if a vote was taken today I would vote against it. Love, Chris

  192. Beloved says:

    The politics of Paul

    I Timothy 2:11 Women should learn quietly and submissively. 12 I do not let women teach men or have authority over them.[b] Let them listen quietly. 13 For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing,[c] assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.

    Footnotes:
    2:9 Or to pray in modest apparel.
    2:12 Or teach men or usurp their authority.
    2:15 Or will be saved by accepting their role as mothers, or will be saved by the birth of the Child.

    I found this really interesting tonight for some reason. Paul has his reasons for how women should conduct themselves during worship. His explanation from events in the Garden convey to me that our living during the time of women’s rights may have skewed the message. Thinking of political correctness in today’s world and how it has affected the church? Wondering do we need to get back to the Bible more for guidance and direction in how we conduct ourselves in worship. Could it be that Paul’s directions here serve as a reminder of the greatness of our redemption by our Wonderful Redeemer, like the passover festivals reminded the Hebrews of their deliverance from slavery? Hmmm, just thinking and being even more grateful for Jesus and His mercy.

  193. street says:

    Together they were learning fresh ways to recall his approach to religion and politics— with affection and without animus.

    grace and mercy daily …..and then “nice shot!”

    a reminder of the justice of God keeping His Word.

    awaiting the resurrection of the elect.

    because of the merit of Jesus.

  194. jeff1 says:

    When you come to knowing God, the initiative lies on His side. If He does not show Himself, nothing you can do will enable you to find Him. And, in fact, He shows much more of Himself to some people than to others—not because He has favourites, but because it is impossible for Him to show Himself to a man whose whole mind and character are in the wrong condition. Just as sunlight, though it has no favourites, cannot be reflected in a dusty mirror as clearly as in a clean one.

    This quote from C. S Lewis has made me think as I have often believed that there are people nearer to God than others.

    My dad was one and his Rector who became Cannon another.

    They would be the two people who would convince me that God loved me and had good plans for me when I was mentally unstable and praying for God to take my life.

    I find that there are people who claim to know God who will make me want to run from Him and then their are those whose closeness to God will draw me to Him.

    I realize now why these two men where so close to God.

    My dad whose words where always ‘if it pleases God’ or ‘God willing’ and that is how he led his life by not getting caught up in politics or religion but by seeking and following God’s truths.

    His Rector (of the church he went to as a young man) whose words of comfort in explaining Jacob’s ladder and the ascending and descending of angels which was God’s order and that I must trust in God’s order and not worry about what was not in my power but in God’s hands.

    He was old school and by that I mean he never preached a sermon that was not taken from the Bible whereas preachers today do.

    While it seems there are men who know they can only trust God it seems likewise that their are men whom only God can trust.

    The mysteries of Him which He reveals as He sees fit and for His purpose and will which is limited to me but in full view and understanding of our Lord.

    Jesus, Good Above All Other

    Jesus, good above all other,
    gentle child of gentle mother,
    in a stable born our brother,
    give us grace to persevere.

    2 Jesus, cradled in a manger,
    for us facing every danger,
    living as a homeless stranger,
    make we thee our King most dear.

    3 Jesus, for thy people dying,
    risen Master, death defying,
    Lord in heaven, thy grace supplying,
    keep us to thy presence near.

    4 Jesus, who our sorrows hearest,
    all our thoughts and hopes thou sharest,
    thou to us the truth declarest;
    help us all thy truth to hear.

    5 Lord, in all our doings guide us;
    pride and hate shall ne’er divide us;
    we’ll go on with thee beside us,
    and with joy we’ll persevere.

  195. SFDBWV says:

    “The politics of Jesus and Paul”

    Are they different?

    If we as Christian believers are considered the body of Christ whose politics do we project?

    Reading this morning in the news I see one of the Democratic “hopefuls” feels that the USA is doomed, that we should stay out of foreign wars and that everyone does not want “democracy”.

    I will agree that the USA is doomed as long as it continues to abandon the God of our forefathers and founders, the principals of Christianity.

    The problem is, which is it, Christian’s being used by professional politicians in order to get elected or are those elected, followers of Christ and so then projecting Christianity in the governing of our country?

    Once again coming around to the question of the hour, what is the politics of Christ Jesus?

    Right away democracy is out and theocracy is in. The governing of the populous being in total and full concert with the will of God in every way with Jesus the Son as King.

    Then we look at how do we know the will of God?

    Found in the OT we have the government of the Hebrew people as set up by God Himself by way of speaking directly to Moses.

    Are then all governments of the world to become exactly as given by way of the Law of Moses?

    Is there a difference or change from the “Law” once Jesus was born into the world?

    If the Gentile world, which means every other nation except Israel, is exempt from being Jewish as given in Acts 15:28-29 KJV what law then aside from that is “the law”?

    Is it then and now the Sermon on the Mount, the commands given as written from the very words of Jesus or are they the suggested writings of Paul, as well as Peter, James, and Paul?

    What actually becomes the politics of Christian’s? Is that not to be the same as the politics of Jesus?

    Is the writings of Paul which simply say to the Christian to be a good citizen of whatever nation lived in, obey the law of the land and to obey God and Jesus’ commandments, to be the politics of Christian’s?

    Steve

  196. foreverblessed says:

    The politics of Jesus and Paul, the study on Galatians that discover the word did for six weeks, called:”its all about Grace”
    Pretty well sums it up for me:
    It is about surrendering to Jesus.
    It is about trusting God and Jesus
    It is about giving up the throne of my heart and let Jesus be the King of my heart.

    And Jesus wants to have a relation with me: He wants me to hear Him, the smallest touch, to hear what He wants specificilly for me, for those around me,
    And that is far above any set of rules, or laws.

    It is an attachment like the branch to the Vine,
    Life flowing from the Vine to the branch
    An intimite connection…

    Paul explained thoroughly in Galatians what Jesus meant with Grace, mercy….

  197. foreverblessed says:

    And the bible verse Beloved gave,
    Women should not teach men
    From 1 Timothy 2:11
    Then I am offending that “law”,
    as I am a woman.

  198. foreverblessed says:

    That is the politics of the Kingdom of my heart,
    Of the Kingdom of heaven.

    In the mean time I pray for my country, in order that there Will be freedom, that the Gospel may be preached.
    But God’s Kingdom is not yet on earth,

    it ought to be growing in the hearts of Christians.

  199. poohpity says:

    forever, Amen and Amen to your 6:44 am comment!!

    As Regina shared on July 30th @ 10:13am; “I don’t think we can refer to someone as a “Christian” if they don’t know what they believe or know what the Gospel actually is…” It is all about Grace.

    Such a simple thing but people make it so complex when they do not understand the foundation of the love of God for humanity. No rules or laws we can follow can ever make that happen that comes straight from the Father to us as a precious gift to be treasured and shared.

    “For God so loved the world that He gave”…. John 3:16-17

  200. poohpity says:

    It is like the gravity that encompasses the earth. A love so grand and unmeasurable for humans to fully grasp since humans are so set on earning the love of another and trying to hide faults that may turn someone away if others really knew the truth but knows the truth about every human being even those secret places. Yet God poured out that love on all humanity past, present and future. That love is what changes everyone who really accepts it and that will be shown in how anyone approaches both politics and religion.

  201. SFDBWV says:

    My next question then is this; should Christians be a part of the political process in any country we live in? Whether elected or appointed or ask to serve in whatever capacity as a part of governing the people are concerned?

    Or are Christians simply to “separate” themselves from the world by not being a part of any political process and simply abide with it?

    Similarly to the Amish who have their own political process.

    Steve

  202. jeff1 says:

    No rules or laws can keep us from the love of God either which proves God is faithful in all things and worthy of our worship.

    Hear the cries of the shackled from the onset of time,
    For the chains of defeat there’s no key.
    See the tears of the broken, the cries of the slaves:
    Is there no one worthy to set us free?

    Then the crying is stilled as the chorus rings out,
    The shackled released from their chains.
    And thousands of voices are swelling the song:
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain.

    Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

    Then all the archangels, the saints of all time,
    Holding their crowns in their hands,
    Fall down before Him joining the song:
    Worthy, worthy the Lamb!

    Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

  203. poohpity says:

    If more Christians served in all areas it would be bringing a piece of the Kingdom(political) of God to wherever they are. Jesus prayed, “I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. I’m not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one. They do not belong to this world any more than I do. Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. Just as you sent me into the world, I am sending them into the world.”

  204. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I can tell you that my dad knew God better for staying clear of politics because he believed it was murky and corrupt waters and he did not get it wrong as it has since been revealed that politicians here were corrupt and instead of anyone taking responsibility they have passed the blame around and no on has been held to account because it seems they do believe they are above the law of the land but yet the same people are very quick to bring down the law of the land on ordinary people who error in keeping it.

    This quote from C. S. Lewis comes to mind:

    The greatest evils in the world will not be carried out by men with guns, but by men in suits sitting behind desks

    God help us all for sure has hell no one else can.

  205. jeff1 says:

    It seems I was worried about my enemies except now I find that I am not even sure who those enemies are!

    God sure loves a mystery!

  206. Beloved says:

    Forever Paul never taught law once he found grace. He taught grace alone by faith alone.

  207. street says:

    seems to me that government and law are for sinners.
    there are no laws against righteousness justice mercy and grace. the thing is only Jesus could keep the law. we are commanded to trust God. not only that but to love Him. kinda hard when we love other things and not God.

    one of the things that is apparent is the separation or outside the camp or box with the elect. God is calling out the elect into a new Kingdom. not possible without a new heart, a new mind. born again comes to mind. in this there is also the idea or command to deny self take up your own cross daily. even to renew your mind. thinking the only place for renewal is the presents of God. scripture takes on new life with the understanding God is Speaking. a good place to be for humble ones. the other place would be praying, in Spirit and Truth. a “Kindom” of Priest. conformed to the image of Christ. Jesus our High Priest and everything else.
    John 5:23
    that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

  208. bratimus says:

    To answer Steve’s question,

    I do believe that some politicians do use Christians or Christianity to get elected. What I have noticed in this new democrat go around for president is that none for what I read are claiming or speaking of religion, I think one is into some new age thing.

    “What are the politics of Jesus Christ?”

    Jesus Christ is of the Kingdom of God, God’s kingdom was, IS, and Always WILL be.

    Steve asked a lot of questions today, but I want to go back to the Alpha comment. My thought is this, don’t mistake Alpha with the sluggard (laziness) there is a proverb about the sluggard. I personally try to keep busy all day in a variety of things. From answer and discussing comment on BTA to work to reading and even maybe playing a game online. If I do all unto the Lord, then I should be fine.

    Might get to some more of the question later, computer updated took couple hours my schedule is off today.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  209. street says:

    Jesus Christ is of the Kingdom of God, God’s kingdom was, IS, and Always WILL be.

    Jesus is heir of creation. first He is Creator, second Redeemer, Lastly King. interesting the creator is a Man too. could give you an idea of how far we have fallen and how God views the Elect in Christ Jesus. Amazing God!

    the Kingdom of God is within you.

    Luke 17:19-21

    19 And He said to him, “Stand up and go; your faith has made you well.”

    20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

    Matthew 26:29
    I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

    1 Timothy 6:14-16

    14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

    LORD of hearts and minds, the living and the dead sickness and health, richer or poorer, times of blessing and adversity. for the Glory of God. Glory, to ascribe worth and/or value too.

  210. Beloved says:

    Oh I was just going to say the same thing street.

  211. street says:

    thinking of idolatry.
    the practice of ascribing worth or value to creation above obedience to God. obedience = Love for/from mans obligation to God. from God’s perspective being True to His Holy Character. His wrath is Holy Prefect and Just. Jesus revealing His Grace Mercy Justice and Righteousness for the Elect. not obligatory. faith incarnation of the Holy Spirit. Obedience the outward manifestation love for God. Sin the manifestation of rebellious self against God. sometimes seen sometimes not seen. usually seen when some one says, “nice shot” and another morns silently. thinking of the phrase God bends His bow. a hunter bends his bow before a shot. at that point there is not much time left. job talked about the arrows that were in Him. Job 6:4
    “For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, Their poison my spirit drinks; The terrors of God are arrayed against me. Job 16:13
    “His arrows surround me. Without mercy He splits my kidneys open; He pours out my gall on the ground.

    Job 13:15
    “Though He slay me, I will hope in Him. Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him.

    till He gives me light. light is peace with God.

  212. bratimus says:

    Some need to hear and try and understand, instead of coming back and trying to make themselves right.

    Trying to make oneself right or justifying everything is politics of man.

    Christ Jesus politics is God’s Kingdom, that was my point.

    Justifying or trying to be right, is just politics and religion. Which I do imagine God dislikes both politics or religion.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  213. street says:

    my thoughts were my thoughts, that were “triggered” by what you wrote and what i have been thinking about and reading as of late. it was of no personal vendetta against you or to justify myself. as for politics it imply we have power apart from God. don’t think so. just go to a grave yard and see all the power they had. thinking of paul boasting in his weakness that the power of God would have it’s proper place.

    1 Corinthians 15:43
    it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

    2 Corinthians 12:9
    And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

    2 Corinthians 13:4
    For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, yet we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.

    Hebrews 11:33-35

    33 who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection;

    a work of God not of the flesh…..faith, a gift of God.

  214. jeff1 says:

    In Christ Alone

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save
    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

    There in the ground His body lay
    Light of the world by darkness slain
    Then bursting forth in glorious Day
    Up from the grave He rose again
    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
    For I am His and He is mine
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ

  215. bratimus says:

    Street posted this at the end of the first statement

    “the Kingdom of God is within you.”

    This statement trigger my testiness.

    There is a New age thing that has been bothering me, and this statement can confuse some getting away from that.

    Christ can dwell with in us through the Holy Spirit. Christ gets us back to God. WE are not in the Kingdom yet, there is still work to be done.

    ” interesting the creator is a Man too.”

    God is the creator, Christ is the word of God that became flesh so God could take the sins of man to the cross, and raise Himself from the dead. That is our faith, anything beyond that in thinking or questioning could be beyond a line WE should not cross. That old theologian question I will not bring up. Stick to the Faith, Hope and Love which is Christ Jesus.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  216. poohpity says:

    I think maybe there is a misunderstanding about “the Kingdom of God is within you”. If you read that in context street you see it means more like “among you” or “in your midst”. Read Luke 17:20-21

  217. street says:

    the church settled the matter more than a millennia ago that Jesus is God. He has taken on human flesh. Jesus calls God Father and in no way less than God. Jesus said He and the Father are One. Hebrews goes on to say….

    1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 [a]in these last days has spoken to us [b]in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [c]world. 3 [d]And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and [e]upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

    dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

    yet john speaks of seeing Him, God, in human flesh.

  218. street says:

    thinking about marts post titled hitched and un hitched in relation to self world and God.

  219. street says:

    thinking about what paul said

    11 Concerning [g]him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though [h]by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the [i]elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

    thinking of a music teacher saying practice practice practice………

  220. street says:

    as i get ready for bed, i can’t say retire since i have been retired for awhile now, i am thinking about the difference of the pursuit of knowledge vs the pursuit of the Way the Truth and the Life. blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be satisfied. blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God………

  221. SFDBWV says:

    A friend of mine once many years ago ask me if I ever stop thinking. That is to say is there ever a time when awake that my mind isn’t at work.

    I said no.

    I envy people who can simply turn off their mind and relax. Music is as close as I get to that place, but even then music for me evokes emotion and emotion often evokes memories and away I go.

    So it is with this or any subject Mart creates for us.

    I had said earlier that no one really wanted to discuss the politics of our respective countries for their own personal reasons and then Mart put up basically the same subject again.

    In a blog titled “Been Thinking About”, thinking about the subject is the topic to be addressed. For certain our conversations wander, just like anyone’s thoughts do, especially mine as one thought always generates another and another and before I know it though somehow connected many subjects are touched upon.

    If it weren’t so any conversation would end up being dry and boring.

    In the previous subject opener Mart thought perhaps the subject of religion and politics were something not discussed in “polite and good natured company.”

    Continuing to be polite and good natured in any situation is what makes a Christian a Christian and I am afraid there is no escaping our personalities and opinions coming to the surface in any encounter with another.

    It is why sometimes during that uncomfortable silence that follows some things it is time for someone to tell a joke, or perhaps detour by telling a story or two.

    Politics has an unethical tone to it, that is the word politics has an unethical tone to it as well as an immediate division of how it’s seen.

    Once again if I have to answer what may have been the politics of either Jesus or Paul I suppose it would be the submission of self will over to the will of God the Father.

    God’s the Boss, He’s in charge, and there simply is no disagreeing with Him or His authority. Learn to live with it. Or live a life of frustration and disappointment, all the while blaming everyone else except yourself.

    53 degrees and clear. I still have Robins. After mowing the grass yesterday they followed the mowing by feeding on what had became available in the fresh cut lawn. I raked the dead grass in the cool of a predawn morning this morning and the Robin’s once again came right away in to feed and sing for me.

    I hope all of your thoughts today are good ones, prayers for all affected by yesterday’s murder of 20 people in a Texas Walmart.

    Steve

  222. bratimus says:

    What I should have done was stick to my first thought and waited until the next subject, opps my bad.

    Will say this about politics(or governing) and religion, when left in man’s/woman’s hands how it fails.

    Maybe that is one thing God is trying to show everyone, without God in the mix everything fails.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  223. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Bratimus, each time I think about democracy I think about the story of Israel and the wanderings in the desert. Especially the “election” of Aaron to build a golden calf and to return to Egypt.

    If I remember the idea of self- governing was called the great experiment when the colonists formed a new type of government after their war of independence was fought for and won. There had never been anything quite like it in the world before.

    When studied from a historical point of view the statue of Nebuchadnezzar in the Book of Daniel the style and form of governing was described from gold to silver to brass to iron and finally to a mixture of iron and clay.

    It is when the rule of the world is this mixture of iron and clay that the rock (Jesus) is hewn out of the mountain supernaturally and smashes the feet of the statue and man’s rule, of all the styles of his governing himself, comes to an end.

    Personally I look forward with anticipation to that hour when we are raptured out of this evil, pain filled world and taken up supernaturally to be with Christ forever.

    As history has taught that without God man cannot govern himself properly and continues to fail time and time again.

    Be blessed today my friend and be at peace.

    Steve

  224. poohpity says:

    The humble person seems to be able to discuss many issues without animus by recognizing that not everyone thinks alike and they are respectful of others. How do humble people take correction? How do prideful people take correction?

  225. foreverblessed says:

    Christ in you.
    This is a mystery says Paul in Colossians.
    But a great truth.
    At the time, when I went from a law – keeping church, 22 years ago, a church that always preached about the Kingdom of God, that would come…
    To a deeper understanding:
    Christ IN you was a great revelation.

    The Kingdom of God is where Christ is King.
    Is He the King of my heart,
    then there His Kingdom is.

    A mystery!

    And that IT is, even if it is small as a mustard seed, IT is there.
    The auto-correct makes it in capitals, and I sort of like IT.

  226. Beloved says:

    It’s Time to Pray April 20
    The second time he talks to Peter as he had earlier that same evening (Luke 22:31-34Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)). This time, maybe with the gentleness of a parent speaking to a sleeping child, “Couldn’t you watch with me even one hour? Keep watch and pray, so that you will not give in to temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak!” (Matthew 26:40-46

    I’m thinking about how important it is to pray for myself and one another this morning as I think about church, Bible studies, Christian blogs and of course those in the world that are not yet part of the Kingdom of God. Jesus words “Couldn’t you keep watch with me even one hour?” convict me terribly. I’m so easily distracted. Jesus peacefulness is so different from the world around me. Politics aside prayer seems to be the needful thing while still having boots on the ground- so to speak. So I’ll shut up and pray—have a wonderful day with Jesus all!

  227. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Beloved!

    This is what the Lord says, he who made the earth, the Lord who formed it and established it—the Lord is his name: ‘Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.’
    Talking about mystery

    Verse of the day of biblegateway

  228. Beloved says:

    Reason and faith are of different classes (the one natural, the other supernatural), they are not however opposed. —Francis Turretin

  229. foreverblessed says:

    21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

    24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. 25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

    28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. 29 To this end I strenuously contend with all the energy Christ so powerfully works in me.

    Col 1:21-28

    This verse is my main theme:
    Col 1:27
    To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

  230. street says:

    Christ “in” you…..the hope of glory.

    paul speaks about being grafted in, in the book of Romans.

    with out Christ it is politics as normal. abraham bargained with God for the two cities. yet we find that God is willing to do more than we ask or “think” ! sometimes i wonder what the two angles talked about as they walked away from this conversation between God and abraham. it would seem they were not given too speculation. another conversation that would be interesting is the one between moses and elisha after the transfiguration….it would seem if they had questions they could approach a Holy God. yet God approached them to have His will done on earth as it is in heaven.

    thinking of The Brave Friendship of God and the Holiness of God. thinking of arron’s priesthood and how his sons did not find opportunity for repentance. some times we are like peter, go way from me Jesus for i am a sinful man. if i remember right, Jesus refused to give him up.

  231. Beloved says:

    Thinking about Saled and wondering how she is doing. Also wondering how Reginas phone is working.

  232. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    I’ve missed you! I’m having trouble with getting internet on my laptop at home. My neighbor was gonna come take a look at it this evening, but he was unexpectedly called in to work. :-( I have to use my mobile phone to chat with you, and thank God that I at least have some way to connect wit you. beloved, my phone is working pretty good. The app virus is not as bad as it used to be, and I’m gonna keep praying for it. Well, I’m getting ready to read your most recent comments, do some chores, and I may have a few minutes left for more BTA chat time.

    91 degrees and clear in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  233. bubbles says:

    This day feels like I’ve had all I can take in life. I have asked for help and cannot get any. I don’t know what I am going to do. I HAVE to work and I need to take off. I don’t know what to do. I am very angry; I asked for help and NOT one person did. I needed help for ONE HOUR today. Some days I hate people.

  234. jeff1 says:

    These two hymns that were chosen for our Holy Communion service remind me that God is not finished with us because I believe that C. S. Lewis is right when he says we often behave as if God doesn’t exist.

    In an age of twisted values
    we have lost the truth we need;
    in sophisticated language
    we have justified our greed;
    by our struggle for possessions
    we have robbed the poor and weak-
    hear our cry and heal our nations:
    your forgiveness, Lord we seek.

    We have built discrimination
    on our prejudice and fear;
    hatred swiftly turns to cruelty
    if we hold resentments dear.
    For communities divided
    by the wall of class and race
    hear our cry and heal our nations;
    show us, Lord, your love and grace.

    When our families are broken;
    when our homes are full of strife;
    when our children are bewildered,
    when they lose their way in life;
    when we fail to give the aged
    all the care we know we should-
    hear our cry and heal our nations
    with your tender fatherhood.

    We who hear your word so often
    choose so rarely to obey;
    turn us from our wilful blindness,
    give us truth to light our way.
    In the power of your Spirit
    come to cleanse us, make us new:
    hear our cry and heal our nations
    till our nations honour you.

    ———-

    How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord,
    is laid for your faith in His excellent word;
    what more can He say than to you He hath said,
    you who unto Jesus for refuge have fled?

    Fear not, He is with thee, O be not dismayed;
    for He is thy God, and will still give thee aid:
    He’ll strengthen thee, help thee, and cause thee to stand,
    upheld by His righteous, omnipotent hand.

    In every condition, in sickness, in health,
    in poverty’s vale, or abounding in wealth,
    at home and abroad, on the land, on the sea,
    as they days may demand shall thy strength ever be.

    When through the deep waters He calls thee to go,
    the rivers of grief shall not thee overflow;
    for He will be with thee in trouble to bless,
    and sanctify to thee they deepest distress.

    When through fiery trials they pathway shall lie,
    His grace all-sufficient shall be they supply;
    the flame shall not hurt thee, His only design
    they dross to consume and thy gold to refine.

    The soul that on Jesus has leaned for repose
    He will not, He will not, desert to its foes;
    that soul, through all hell should endeavour to shake,
    He’ll never, no never, no never forsake.

  235. jeff1 says:

    Post Communion Prayer

    Lord God, whose Son is the true vine and the source of life, every giving himself that the world may live: May we so receive within ourselves the power of his death and passion that, in his saving cup, we may share his glory and be made perfect in his love; for he is alive and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, now and for ever. Amen.

  236. poohpity says:

    bubbles, I pray today be much better than it was yesterday. I am so sad to hear of the torment you are going through with depending on people.

    Today would have been my mom’s 85th birthday had she survived cancer. On July 1st it has been 10 years since she went home to be with Jesus. I sorely miss her friendship and companionship. Aug 1st it has been 9 years since my dad went home to be with Jesus. I miss them both more than I could ever express.

    We never know when our time will come and I hope to live life fully until then hopefully with joy and adventure with the Lord, learning, growing and having my mind transformed and my thinking changed so that I can bear fruit for the Kingdom of God. John 18:36 NLT

  237. poohpity says:

    Jesus described in parables what the Kingdom of God is like so that those who were really interested could hear, see and understand, a lot of them are found in Matthew 13. They all represent the politics of His Kingdom.

  238. Beloved says:

    “The mark of a kingdom is the presence of the king. With the Holy Spirit Christ came down to be with His disciples as really, and more nearly, than when He was with them in the flesh. The abiding nearness and fellowship of Christ, and in Him of God the Father, is the very central blessing of the Kingdom.” Andrew Murray

    I just downloaded his book– The Kingdom of God is Within You– and am reading it now. It’s on Amazon.

  239. SFDBWV says:

    During the 60’s while the war protests were going on somewhere often I seen over and over the photograph of an oriental baby setting by railroad tracks crying while smoke billowed in the background and bodies lying about from what was obviously bombing.

    The photograph was used as a graphic effect of the bombing in North Viet Nam, especially Hanoi.

    I couldn’t tell you how many times I seen that picture, certainly enough to make an impression on me that to this day I can see it in my mind as if just looked at moments ago.

    I had the old house that my parents lived in torn down back about 20 years ago and in the attic of that old house was an old steamer trunk that was filled with magazines.

    My parents had bought the house in the mid-sixties while I was off in the Marine Corps from the estate of an old couple that were more affluent than most and they had a lot of “stuff” in the attic including the trunk I mentioned.

    The magazines dated from the early teens up through the 50’s and even some more current to the sixties. Most though were very old, so I kept the trunk in order to salvage some history and ended up giving it all to a local Library in Oakland MD after asking them if they wanted it.

    While looking through the hundreds of magazines I came upon a Life Magazine dated in 1939 and on the cover was that very identical picture of the bombing of this oriental city with the baby crying amidst the carnage of war. It was the very picture I had seen over and over again and again during the days of the protests against the Viet Nam war.

    It turned out to be a picture of the bombing of Shanghai by the Japanese upon their invasion of China.

    Nothing to do with Viet Nam as was portrayed by the media during the Viet Nam war during the 1960’s.

    It was in China during 1939.

    Who do you think controls the politics of the news media? Honest God fearing people bent on exposing the truth or something else?

    At the close of WWII General Eisenhower made certain that the US Army photographed the death camps the Nazi’s used to exterminate people in every detail possible because he knew history would try and erase this memory.

    Look how many people to this day think it all a hoax. Even some countries and religions teaching it as such.

    Jesus died on the cross so mankind could reestablish a fellowship with God, but evil is still in the world and its evidence is everywhere.

    You could say I suppose that the politics of evil is the agenda of the anti-christ.

    It gets more and more confusing as who or what you can trust.

    In trusting God through Jesus still that trust is tested every day.

    Steve

  240. bratimus says:

    Steve brought up media and this caught my attention last night when I was reading the news.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson the astrophysicist did a tweet and got backlash for it.

    In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

    On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

    500 to Medical errors
    300 to the Flu
    250 to Suicide
    200 to Car Accidents
    40 to Homicide via Handgun

    Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

    My points is shouldn’t WE as PEOPLE be as concern about these deaths as the death in the mass shootings. Or is it just that gun control is a political hot button issue. I do see the point that Mr. Tyson was trying to make.

    WE only pay attention when it is a spectacluar event.

    Even the president of Mexico is responding to the event, by saying Mexico is pursuing legal action against the U.S. for Mexican citizens being kill. How many U.S. citizens have been killed in Mexico from their violence. So Mexico’s president is trying to pull the speck out of the U.S. EYE, when Mexico has a plank in their EYE.

    “For evil to triumph, it is for good men to do nothing”-Edmund Burke

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  241. bubbles says:

    Pooh, my mother has been dead for 42 years. My grandma was killed 34 years ago, and there have been other losses. this is not about joy in life. I’m just trying to work and cannot work for hinderances. I cannot help relatives who need help. I have called for help and I cannot get anyone to help me. I don’t have time for anything. I have looked death in the face and I want to live. This is not about joyous living, I just want five minutes of peace.

  242. Beloved says:

    John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

  243. poohpity says:

    bubbles, sorry you took the last two paragraph in what I wrote to be directed at you in any way they were not but only the first paragraph was to you specifically the one that started with bubbles. The others were something I am going through right now, not about you.

  244. poohpity says:

    I thought maybe starting with “Today is my mom’s birthday” may have been a lead into sharing my sadness. Next time to be sure there is a separation I will put a
    **********************************************************
    between my thoughts. I try not to step into a minefield by going any further into talking with you. I have learned that lesson but it seems not good enough, yet.

  245. bubbles says:

    No, you are never happy unless the pot is stirred. You take great delight in sowing seeds of discord and strife here. You enjoy snaring people into talking to you and then you start a fight. I will not respond to your words so don’t bother.

  246. foreverblessed says:

    May God strengthen you Bubbles, may you find your “bubble” with Jesus again, Just you and Jesus, peace from Him!

    Thanks for that remark of Andrew Murray, about the Kingdom,
    Christ in you
    I was thinking about that:
    But Christ was taken up, so that the Holy Spirit could be sent to us.
    Paul labours, “until Christ is formed in you”
    The Holy Spirit changes us into the likeness of Christ.

    Different mindset, different thinking, love as a gift from above.
    Godly love.
    Whatever we do, God loves us, in Christ He can wash us clean, washed in His blood.
    That also is a mystery to me.

    God can make everything new: the victim, and the offender, both.
    That is the Gospel of Christ
    How deep life goes, Jesus even goes deeper.
    ( That is from the sister of Corrie ten Boom, Betsy, she said it while she was in that Nazi camp, so she must have experienced the truth of these words:
    Jesus around us, under us, as a shade over us.
    Jesus in us

  247. foreverblessed says:

    My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth, until Christ is formed in you.
    Galatians 4:19

  248. Beloved says:

    Yes it’s easy to go back to legalism and much harder to live in freedom with Christ for some reason. Dear Paul really agonized with the Galatians about this. Stubborn as a mule I can be sometimes. There’s something about the feeling I get when I try to live under law, oh yes, it’s self righteousness. Ugh.

  249. Beloved says:

    God is working in me right now to give me freedom in a certain area. I’m a real idiot sometimes.

  250. jeff1 says:

    O Lord, Your splendor fills the earth
    And floods all space and time.
    Mere children speak the mighty truth:
    Your name, supreme, sublime.

    Beneath the sky so vast and deep,
    I stand, so brief and small,
    And wonder why a God like You
    Would notice me at all.

    And yet You come and share Yourself.
    My Lord, my God, what grace!
    We walk together side-by-side
    And talk here face-to-face.

    You share Your life, Your work, Your heart,
    Your plans for what will be.
    O may Your glory fill the earth
    As waters fill the sea!

  251. street says:

    “The mark of a kingdom is the presence of the king. With the Holy Spirit Christ came down to be with His disciples as really, and more nearly, than when He was with them in the flesh. The abiding nearness and fellowship of Christ, and in Him of God the Father, is the very central blessing of the Kingdom.” Andrew Murray

    19 Yet He sent prophets to them to bring them back to the Lord; though they testified against them, they would not listen.
    20 Then the Spirit of God came on Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest; and he stood above the people and said to them, “Thus God has said, ‘Why do you transgress the commandments of the Lord and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken the Lord, He has also forsaken you.’” 21 So they conspired against him and at the command of the king they stoned him to death in the court of the house of the Lord.

    in my state people where chanting to the governor to do something, about the shooting. yet none would cry out to God none would seek His face. so their house is left desolate. pilot did something that we all benefited from. some how i don’t think history is going to repeat it’s self. who can make them understand?

  252. foreverblessed says:

    May God bless and comfort you Pooh, may God bring to pass everything good you ask of Him.

    May God bless you too Beloved, mate He sustain you, and shine His light on you.

    Dear Bubbles, may you bless everybody that has let you down, fill your mind with positive thoughts that you ask from God above, to fill your mind with. I am saying this because I have become depressed, because of people letting me down, not the fact that they let me down, but thinking about that too much was my doing.

    You did share it here, and I do lift up your complaint with you to God, help you to give it to Jesus, and I know how difficult that is. I give my downers to Jesus, and the next step I do is taking it back on my shoulders.
    Such a hard way, may God free me, and you
    Romans 7:24-25

    Thanks be to God- through Jesus Christ our Oord
    May you find a more intimate connection with Jesus!
    As may we all overhere!

  253. foreverblessed says:

    Street, that people just don’t see…
    I was raised a christian, and I didn’t see that Christ came to die and to live again, so that I could live through His Ressurrected life power.
    Ephesians 1:19-21

    It is just a miracle that we see who Jesus really is!
    2 Cor 4:6

    Beloved asked that we pray more for others, instead of telling over and over again how terrible people are, That is what I did, would I have given that agony in Jesus’ arms, much earlier how better use of my time here on earth would that have been!

    Prijsaying for them, with the love over God in my heart, that God gives if we ask Him, but my mind was full of disgust over society, so how could He fill it?
    I have to learn to give the negative to Jesus,
    And then ask for His positiveness:

    -the exchange at the Cross-

    He opened my mind and heart for Jesus, if He could do that with me, He can do that for my neighbor, so I pray…

  254. jeff1 says:

    There Is No God but God

    There is no God, but God,
    I know this is true
    God made everything,
    He made me, He made you
    There’d be no birds,
    No planes to sail in the blue
    Without his wondrous eyes
    To see them through

    They say God made land
    And He gave it all to man
    Yes I know He’s mighty good and true
    There is no God, but God
    And He knows everything to do
    So just you call on Him
    And He will share His love with you

    There is no God, but God
    I know this is true
    For God made everything,
    He made me, He made you

    There’d be no birds,
    No planes to sail in the blue
    Without his wondrous eyes
    To see them through

    They say God made land
    And He gave it all to man
    This I know is mighty, good and true
    There is no God, but God

    And He knows everything to do
    So just you call on Him
    And He will share His love with you

  255. SFDBWV says:

    Racism…
    It is recorded in Genesis that the only survivors of the flood of Noah were Shem, Ham and Japheth.

    If you believe the Bible to be accurate, we, all of the people that currently inhabit the earth were descended from Noah to these three men and their wives.

    Also recorded are the sons and nations of each son.

    If you believe the Bible to be accurate, at the Tower of Babel God divided, of the families of these three men, into different language groups so that they would spread out away from where they were and populate the earth.

    Different language groups, because when people don’t speak the same language there is distrust and confusion and the seeds of “racism” are born.

    Japheth’s sons went north, Shem’s stayed in the area and Ham’s went south or so it is believed by many Bible scholars.

    Anthropologists will strongly disagree with this account of history and believe the entire story of creation and the flood to be a myth.

    What do you believe?

    Christian slave owners believed it was a divine ordinance that the descendants of Ham were to be slaves to their brothers and so defended their “God given right” to keep and have slaves.

    The United States wasn’t the only Christian nation to have slavery, but you wouldn’t know that from the way history is told.

    In India the “Caste” system is still very much in place and if you wish to make a study of it within every nation of people some people are going to believe that they are “above” others.

    This obscene political gesturing that President Trump or republicans are to blame for racism, and mass shootings is just plain politics as usual.

    Whereas the politics of Jesus may be to bring everyone of every nation and race into being one body of believers. Racists see racism behind everything and while being a racist themselves call others racist’s.

    Without Jesus at the center, the rest falls apart, the answer isn’t gun control, the answer is revival.

    54 degrees and clear.

    I had a treat yesterday when a huge wild cat (Bobcat) came for walkthrough in my back yard sneaking up on the rabbits that feed here. I scared him off, for now.

    Steve

  256. jeff1 says:

    I believe God divides to conquer evil and why He asks us to trust Him and His ways as being righteous.

    The problems arise when men decide God is on their side and rather then obey His instructions decide on their own.

    I do not understand the bigger picture but I know God has the victory because Jesus died to assure me of it and when I seek His comfort, encouragement and refuge in a world such as this one then I get a peace that surpasses understanding.

    Surely that is God given as God has said do not make this world your home and so if I am looking to Heaven then I will not get overwhelmed by the trials and tribulations of this world but look forward to the victory in the next.

    Only God can put the world to right and do it right as man as tried and failed.

    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
    Most blessèd, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    Almighty, victorious, thy great Name we praise.

    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, thou rulest in might;
    Thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    Thy clouds which are fountains of goodness and love.

    To all life thou givest — to both great and small;
    In all life thou livest, the true life of all;
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    And wither and perish—but nought changeth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight;
    All laud we would render: O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore Thee, all veiling their sight;
    But of all Thy rich graces this grace, Lord, impart
    Take the veil from our faces, the vile from our heart.

    All laud we would render; O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth Thee,
    And so let Thy glory, Almighty, impart,
    Through Christ in His story, Thy Christ to the heart.

  257. poohpity says:

    In the politics of Jesus and followed through in Paul’s letters it is the practice from Genesis until now which will probably be carried through until the end times is the politics of BLAME. It is always because of someone else that we blame for our own anger, bitterness, hate and evil intent within our hearts.

    Jesus pointed out first then Paul that the things we accuse others of are usually the same things we are guilty of ourselves. Both were very big on taking personal responsibility for our own feelings, thoughts and actions because if we don’t we will never come to the Cross for what was offered to us; forgiveness, mercy and grace. If we do not believe in all that was covered by the shed blood of our Savior we will never grasp the extent of what actually happened on that day.

    Often people try to hold others accountable for their sins when each person is just full of them their selves. When questioned about sin Jesus replied, John 8:7 NLT. Paul also replied, Romans 2:1.

    So hence BLAME came into the world and has not left only but to those who the Lord opens their eyes and hearts to see the exact nature of their own wrongs which leads to repentance and shows us our need for a Savior. Only then for those who are spiritual the process of accepting personal responsibility for our own thoughts, feelings and actions which will lead to very deep gratitude for the great love God has bestowed on us ALL.

  258. poohpity says:

    How many tears are shed for those in Chicago when in just one weekend the murder rate and those physically harmed exceeds all those around the whole USA.

    It completely baffles me that the first thing a politician blames is a gun. Last I heard it is not the gun that kills people it is the person using the gun that does. I never hear them request before a person becomes a parent that they go through a background check before they are entrusted with the most sacred job there is raising another human being. Politicians were the very first one’s that thought taking prayer and anything that has to do with God out of everything, this is the result. Not only in today’s times but that is engraved deep in history what the absence of God in a heart does to a people.

  259. street says:

    thinking about politics compared to Jesus.

    i do not know anyone in political power yet my needs are met daily. i bet the politician would claim credit for this. i have worked for bosses. they have come and gone some better than others, yet i understood we were in the same boat and it had a hole in it. i also understood they were to be obeyed within their scope of authority. there in lies some serious politics.

    Jesus is a lot different. ALL Authority in Heaven and Earth has been given to HIM. Jesus sits at the right hand of blessing of God! He is the Arm of God, the Power of God! there are two arms and God uses them like a hen, to describe His willingness to draw us under His Wings. then upon His shoulder a yoke. a yoke of love that bore my sin. raised from the gates of hell so that some day i will see His Face. be still my heart and know, He is God. your Redeemer Lives!

  260. poohpity says:

    wow Amen street.

  261. Beloved says:

    “What a Friend We Have in Jesus” is a Christian hymn originally written by preacher Joseph M. Scriven as a poem in 1855 to comfort his mother who was living in Ireland while he was in Canada.

    What a friend we have in Jesus
    All our sins and griefs to bear
    And what a privilege to carry
    Everything to God in prayer

    Oh, what peace we often forfeit
    Oh, what needless pain we bear
    All because we do not carry
    Everything to God in prayer

    Have we trials and temptations?
    Is there trouble anywhere?
    We should never be discouraged
    Take it to the Lord in prayer

    Can we find a friend so faithful
    Who will all our sorrows share?
    Jesus knows our every weakness
    Take it to the Lord in prayer.

  262. jeff1 says:

    Again, C. S. Lewis’s words reassure me of God’s omniscience.

    There are, no doubt, passages in the New Testament which may seem at first sight to promise an invariable granting of our prayers. But that cannot be what they really mean. For in the very heart of the story we meet a glaring instance to the contrary. In Gethsemane the holiest of all petitioners prayed three times that a certain cup might pass from Him. It did not. After that the idea that prayer is recommended to us as a sort of infallible gimmick may be dismissed.

    Prayer is request. The essence of request, as distinct from compulsion, is that it may or may not be granted. And if an infinitely wise Being listens to the requests of finite and foolish creatures, of course He will sometimes grant and sometimes refuse them.

    If God had granted all the silly prayers I’ve made in my life, where should I be now?

  263. street says:

    the cry of a prayer….like job we are to trust God….sure we can ask for things, but things leave us empty and distant…..job understood only One could vindicate Him in a fallen world and only One could satisfy his heart soul and mind. in the New Testament it goes so far to mention spirit soul and body. God has every intention to reverse the curse and make a people unto Himself. Holy Incorruptible and Perfect. conformed to the Image of His Son. a living hope. this hope leads us in a path of righteousness, our sanctification, for His name sake. His will, the redemption of man and the Glory of God.

  264. Beloved says:

    I recently read that because our “image of God” selves were damaged in the Garden it is Gods will through Christ to RESTORE us to His true image. And has been ever since sin entered. The more I allow of God to access me I become pure of heart. Blessed. Seeing God is in me is hard to actually “see” with human broken seeing. But by faith we know He’s working. Keep the faith baby, always keep the faith, no matter what trials we encounter. And pray always, without ceasing.

  265. foreverblessed says:

    And pray always, without ceasing

    In the beattitides, – blessed is he –

    Who is pure in heart
    It is the working of the Holy Spirit that makes us pure,
    Bit by bit

    So when our hearts are pure, then WoW
    What a pure prayers!

    I often thought about this when I was younger, why would God want us to pray? He knows already all we need.

    Till this image: Jesus is the Head of the Body, the body of believers, it had been Gods own decision that Jesus be attached to the body of believers,
    He wants to hear our prayers, He wants us to be involved in His Kingdom work, He wants us to be serious in:
    Intercessory prayer

    We start praying as a Christian, and it is mainly for ourselves, but the closer we get to Jesus, the more we know that for most of our own needs we do not have to pray. We just thank for all we have in Jesus.

    But I zender that the Holy Spirit searches our mind andere heart, who the persons are that dwell installatie our thoughts and hearts. I ought to see to it, theater love rode them is growing,

    Because any work that is done by the HS, is only eternally when love is attached to it.

    Prayer is much morse than Request

    It is sharing with God, communicating with Him

    The Song of Songs says:
    ” Let Me hear your voice”

    God is waiting for us

  266. Beloved says:

    “let me hear your voice”

    I love this!

  267. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, isn’t it wonderful!
    Song of Solomon 8:13

    The Lover of our souls says this!

    Typo, or rather auto-correct,
    NO more English auto- correct, so my phone changes it in Dutch words.

    I sense that the Holy Spirit searches our minds and hearts-

    The searching is to be seen as something positive too:
    Searching who the persons are that we are connected with.
    Family Friends neighbors, the people that live in our cities.

    I read in the commentaries of ODB of yesterday something beautiful:
    Someone who came in heaven and was thanked by a lot of people, who were drawn to Jesus by what he did or prayed.

    I know this for sure:
    If we would see how much influence our prayers have in the spiritual level,
    When done in faith, when our motives are pure and in Gods love, we would pray a lot more!

    So I decided to just pray more, now already,
    And wait on the Lord

    Street gave a description of the High and Mighty King, Jesus
    That is Him we talk with!

  268. jeff1 says:

    Refrain:
    God is great, and God is good
    Beyond what we have understood.
    The Hand that gives the sparrow food
    Is always in control and always good.

    When the enemy is mighty and
    when mountains block the way,
    when my life is filled with shadows
    and with fears I cannot name,
    though His steps are like the thunder,
    He is tender with my pain.
    Sometimes He sends a storm of love,
    sometimes a gentle rain.

    Far beyond imagination,
    far above all I can see,
    He is grand beyond all measure,
    filling all eternity.
    In my smallness and my weakness,
    in my fearfulness and pain,
    I’ll praise Him in the darkness
    till the light returns again.

  269. Beloved says:

    I was reading this from Crosswalk and thought of those being shot at recently, wondering if they called out to God as tragedies so often cause to do.

    Jonah’s Prayer for Salvation (Jonah 2:2–9)

    We may never be swallowed by a great fish, but we can still experience the shame and regret that Jonah felt after he ran from God. The prophet’s plea to the Father provides a poignant scaffolding for our own prayers of repentance. And remember that God heard and answered this humble, honest prayer:

    “In my distress I called to the Lord,
    and he answered me.
    From deep in the realm of the dead I called for help,
    and you listened to my cry.

    You hurled me into the depths,
    into the very heart of the seas,
    and the currents swirled about me;
    all your waves and breakers
    swept over me.

    I said, ‘I have been banished
    from your sight;
    yet I will look again
    toward your holy temple.’

    The engulfing waters threatened me,
    the deep surrounded me;
    seaweed was wrapped around my head.

    To the roots of the mountains I sank down;
    the earth beneath barred me in forever.
    But you, Lord my God,
    brought my life up from the pit.

    “When my life was ebbing away,
    I remembered you, Lord,
    and my prayer rose to you,
    to your holy temple.

    “Those who cling to worthless idols
    turn away from God’s love for them.

    But I, with shouts of grateful praise,
    will sacrifice to you.
    What I have vowed I will make good.
    I will say, ‘Salvation comes from the Lord.’”

  270. Beloved says:

    Matt 10:28
    New Living Translation
    “Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

  271. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of when I was young and my curiosity with the dead.

    I with my peers played a game which to our childish minds was funny until during the seance the glass broke which sent us all running screaming from the classroom and pondering what had just happened.

    My mum believed in ghosts and haunted places and would fill my head full of them and that is probably what fueled my curiosity.

    My dad on the other hand would be persistent in that only God has control of the unknown and that to dabble in it was unhealthy, dangerous and against the will of God.

    After my experience I give up my curiosity with the dead as partly because I had been scared to death with what had happened and also I recalled my dad’s warning about dabbling in things that I shouldn’t.

    After that I would hear of a girl who committed suicide after dabbling in the unknown and realized I needed to heed my dad’s advice that it was against God’s will.

    I am of my dad’s belief today that the unknown is not for us to speculate or dabble but having said that I cannot get it out of my head that my mum was adamant that when she was away working the room which she was staying was haunted.

    I recall her telling the employers that she would not stay in the room as the bedclothes would not stay on the bed nor would the door stay closed.

    They had examined and there was nothing wrong with the lock on the door and nothing would change my mum’s conclusion that the house or that room was haunted.

    My mum would claim that if the soul of the departed was not at peace when death occurred then it would not rest and so it would surface and haunt the living i.e. appear as a ghost or such like.

    Those souls taken so violently may not have had time to make peace with God and so my mum’s beliefs are very much in my mind today when pondering the unknown.

  272. jeff1 says:

    Known Only to Him

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then he tells me in my prayer
    It’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him

  273. SFDBWV says:

    “Darby O’Gill and the Little People” was another Disney film about Irish folklore and the “Banshee”.

    Viv I have personally seen this apparition (the Banshee, or angel of death) too many times to remember the number of over a period of a decade plus. It wasn’t until I learned to call on the Lord to remove the “nightmare” from me that it finally quit.

    The Scripture teaches of “dominions” and “powers” and the story of Saul seeking advice from a dead Samuel certainly validates the existence of a dark spiritual presence in our world.

    Certainly we are to seek the light of Jesus Christ and while knowing of the existence of the dark forces of the supernatural to avoid it.

    In the Law of Moses it was a death penalty to be a witch and while Saul had all the mediums/witches killed he spared the “Witch of Endor” which led to his calling upon her to summon Samuel’s spirit from the grave.

    Daniel speaks of a demonic presence over the area of Babylon/Persia that took two Arch-angels to fight their way past in order to get to Daniel.

    Our safety, our power over such dark forces lay in our faith, belief and the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit in us. While such things are always trying to divert our attention away from God, God’s presence in us gives us authority over them.

    “Get thee behind me Satan” was all Jesus had to say in order to rid Himself of satanic influence and it is all we need to do as well.

    Always remember at the end of the Book, we win.

    Steve

  274. phpatato says:

    Steve, your comment this morning ties in with this

    Regina, I am holding hope and praying still that your phone has been cleaned of all viruses.

    I’ve been away and if you reported it cleaned, I have missed your comment.

    Bubbles, I have just recently posted this to my facebook page

    I wish pets lived longer, and life wasn’t so expensive, and left over fries were still good warmed up, and people didn’t suck

    People do suck. Lots of times. Sending you a warm, big hug.

    Pat xo

  275. poohpity says:

    When one is so fixated on superstition and folklore their minds certainly are not on the Lord and His work but only on the things of this world which is the devil’s playground(Matt 16:23). Jesus explained after casting out demons that one’s mind is swept clean but if that mind is not filled with the things from above those demons will go out and bring more back with them to fill it again.

    Luke 11: “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

    24 “When an evil spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, searching for rest. But when it finds none, it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ 25 So it returns and finds that its former home is all swept and in order. 26 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before.”

    27 As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother—the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!”

    28 Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”

    Those evil spirits sure can not fill something that is already full because there is not room for them. Col 3: Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…

  276. poohpity says:

    Can evil spirits fill something that does not have a soul?

  277. poohpity says:

    Well if one believes in the imagination of those who create Sci-Fi movies then maybe it can. Stand on Truth!

  278. bubbles says:

    with affection and without animus.. . I re read Mart’s post. Animus means “ill will” Why would James, Peter, and others write with ill will? Ill will towards whom? I’m confused. They were writing with hindsight and knew why Jesus died, so no ill will towards those who did it to Jesus although it would be painful memories. They knew why He had to die when they wrote because it was after He went back to Heaven.

    We taught the story of Joseph for 4 months. The curriculum was lovely; it taught a lot of character through the people of the Bible. What I don’t understand is why Joseph had to be in prison all those years. All that suffering. . why? J Vernon McGee said in his commentary that Joseph learned the laws of Egypt in the prison. I didn’t know prisoners learned any laws in prison. I know God does all things right and I know He is perfect as are HIs ways. His ways are not our ways. It doesn’t make sense to me why Joseph was punished the way he was. Was it so his life could be a type of Christ? Now, if it’s not explicitly stated in Scripture, people will get weird about saying someone is a type of Christ. Are we to throw up our hands and say “whatever!” and just let life catch us up in the river and float along with what comes may?

    Abraham obeyed God without understanding. Another person said “understanding can wait; obedience can’t. If we need to understand it all, we are rebellious.”

    Joseph bragged to his brothers when he was young, so was prison to teach him humility?

    We are taught to do all these things to honor God, honor parents, and so on. If we follow these, God will bless our life and life will fall in place if you do what is right. I believe obeying God will keep us from many problems, so is it obedience helps have a peaceful life? Is this teaching a form of prosperity teaching of another sort? Living a life that God has taught is not to be special; it’s the expected. People should stop glorifying following God’s plan because it is the basic minimum expectations. And no, life doesn’t always fall in place. The older I get, the more confused I become! I thought I had life figured out for the most part but the longer I live the more problems there are and the more complicated they get. Life changing problems without an end. Then the guilt because look at people in other countries suffering. I don’t know what suffering is. And I have to ask for forgiveness. I don’t understand why children and little animals have to suffer when they never had a chance. When we get to Heaven we won’t care about what happened here. It won’t matter.

  279. Beloved says:

    Deuteronomy 12:3English Standard Version
    You shall tear down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and burn their Asherim with fire. You shall chop down the carved images of their gods and destroy their name out of that place.

  280. SFDBWV says:

    Bubbles dear friend, thank you for an open honest approach to life and the mystery of Scripture.

    Pat, yes French fries as well as nearly all fast food just doesn’t warm up well. Not even pizza.

    Having been the Mayor of my little town now for all these years, I can tell you I have learned a great deal about people. About dealing with the political process and dealing with government.

    When a person is up to their neck in quicksand cute little sayings and Bible verses don’t really help. What they need is a hand an actual hand in getting out of the quicksand.

    Then they may be ready to hear whatever advice someone may have to say.

    For a person in the middle of life’s trauma the one thing on their mind is that trauma and a desire to be on the other side of it. It becomes the most important thing in life to them at that point in time.

    What may seem trivial to an outsider, is life threatening to the one to whom life has traumatized.

    Life isn’t fair, isn’t easy and seems out of sync with everything good and decent. It is even recorded in Scripture as a mystery to Solomon as to why it appeared evil triumphed over good at times.

    I am fairly sure that when the early Christians were either covered with tar and set on fire along with their children and loved ones as well as fed to hungry lions they wondered where was their rescue and why this was happening to them.

    As well as the parents of little children who suffer a long heartbreaking ordeal of trying to see their babies healed of cancer only to bury them.

    The people of the early church in Corinth wondered why some among them died after being promised eternal life, their answer being their eternal life would come after they died along with some who will not taste death at a future time.

    Miriam was struck with leprosy by God for complaining (murmuring) against God. Yet today not only is God murmured against by non-believers He is blasphemed and denied to even exist. All the while they go on being lavished with all the good things life can provide.

    We discussed about death as a penalty, yet for many death is a release from a hellish existence of living.

    For them death is a victory, but we as Christians are taught Jesus was victorious over death.

    Though we are promised much more, the “hero’s” of faith given in Hebrews 11 all died without their promises being fulfilled.

    The older I get, the more I see life is an endless test of faith, where sometimes I win and sometimes I question why. Wondering if questioning why is a defeat or simply being in need of reassurance and added strength.

    After all Jesus ask the Father why as He hung their on the cross in agonizing pain.

    Though I think He was quoting Psalms 22 as a way of answering why for those on the ground around Him as they wondered why.

    Still I think we need to be a friend to all who need one, to set quietly sometimes and just listen to their complaint, as well as sometimes offering whatever help and aid they may need.

    The hard part being sometimes we need to do the same for people we love as well as people we don’t…Another test.

    Steve

  281. bratimus says:

    As WE see the many troubles around Earth, it is easy to become disheartened. Jesus spoke of this Mark 13:5-8 and why it is hard on the faithful Mark 13:13.

    The Father, Son and Holy Spirit know and knew the troubles and sorrows that the faithful would face.

    In Christ name

    Brtimus

  282. Beloved says:

    “I remember one time going to the store and purchasing bags of crosses on clearance. As we were in prayer and worship, the bags were in the room when two of us looked up and felt something amiss in the spiritual atmosphere. We were immediately drawn to the bag of crosses. As we looked at the crosses, we could see faces in the designs. We later discovered crosses made in China were made in the same factories as Buddhas, and that they are dedicated to Buddha before they leave China. We immediately got rid of them and prayed over my home.“ Charisma Magazine Cathy McGraw

    This has happened to me as I am very sensitive to spiritual activity and getting rid of an object and praying over my home has helped immensely. Deuteronomy speaks of getting rid of objects that were once used in pagan worship. No the Bible does not mention objects having spirits within them as you are right they need flesh but territorial spirits can attach themselves to objects and harass those who possess them. I have a neighbor that’s very anti Christ who gives me things and I get rid of them right away. She speaks of spirits in her home but doesn’t seem to be afraid of them. Until she opens her heart to Christ it’s just to pray, witness Gods love and watch to see what God will do.

  283. Beloved says:

    Deuteronomy 7:25-26 New International Version (NIV)

    25 The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Regard it as vile and utterly detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.

  284. Beloved says:

    We don’t fear those things, but by fearing God we remove what He hates and receive blessings.

  285. poohpity says:

    If one believes for one moment that anything made of wood, stone, gold, silver or made by human hands thinks of them as gods or able to do anything is completely mistaken and deceived because they do not have the ability to see, hear, eat or talk they are inanimate objects. Deut 4:28-29; Acts 19:26; Rev 9:20

  286. Beloved says:

    By the way, I’m open to other opinions about this.

  287. poohpity says:

    If one remembers that the people in the times of the Exodus were very naive about many things. They were superstitious and believed in things that people today know better about, I think they know better but maybe not.

  288. poohpity says:

    Nothing or no one has any power over anyone other than what you allow them to have.

  289. Beloved says:

    No, I believe they are called “idols”.

  290. poohpity says:

    Do you think cell phones, computers, TVs or anything else made by human hands can become an idol?

  291. Beloved says:

    Do you? What does the Bible say about worshipping idols? What is an idol to you?

    by Eric Watkins
    There are certain aspects of our relationship with God that are described in unmistakably legal terms, while others are remarkably personal. Our justification is a legal declaration of righteousness in the courtroom of God. Our adoption is the legal declaration that we are indeed the children of God, and are thus entitled to all the benefits that belong to His children.

    Flowing from these benefits, however, are aspects of our relationship with God that are beautifully tender and relational. Such is the expression of the first commandment: “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3). The command stands upon the foundation of the Mosaic covenant: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery” (vv. 1–2). This statement is the starting point of the covenant by which God reveals who He is and what He has done for His covenant people. From this indicative flow all the imperatives of the Ten Commandments, and thus God reveals what it means for Him to be our God and for us to be His people. This is the structure of the covenant and the lens through which we must understand our obedience to God’s commands.

  292. Beloved says:

    I know we are living in a time of Grace because of Jesus, but is it ok to sin? Or do we take the grace of God in vain and cheapen it with ungodly standards? Just a question. Paul has a lot to say about it, John also. If we confess our sins He is FAITHFUL and JUST to forgive and cleanse is from all unrighteousness. Hallelujah!!

  293. Beloved says:

    I don’t recall God ever saying people were superstitious; just sinners, idol worshippers, and slow of hearing– among other things. Lost sheep looking for a shepherd also, turning to whatever tickles their ears at the time.

  294. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    August 7, 2019 at 11:45 am
    Nothing or no one has any power over anyone other than what you allow them to have.

    I recall Job saying “the LORD gives and the LORD takes away, blessed be the name of the LORD.” God is sovereign.

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