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Imagine!

Imagine being able to spend a couple of hours every week with our neighbors, in a local theatre, watching on a big screen a reality-show-documentary of The Word of God— without words. No sound. No closed-captioning. Just action—all the way to the last scene when he leaves his friends staring into the clouds.

What would the wordless drama of The Word’s’ demeanor, miracles, execution, and resurrection say to those who know little of the Bible? What might it say to those of us who have been around long enough to know that some of his words, as we’ve heard, read, or been taught to understand them, seem too good or too bad to be true?

Does it stun us to remember that Jesus didn’t turn out to be the kind of Messiah his own nation was expecting? For some reason they hadn’t heard or seen in the words of their prophets a God who— with a humility they couldn’t imagine— would allow his own children to misunderstand, misrepresent, hate, torture, and kill the Word who exposed their lack of love for one another, for their disgustingly poor neighbor, and godless enemies.

It amazes me to think that for so many years I’ve been studying the words of our faith while barely hearing or seeing the Word who was born to give us a different way of imagining  a world of words— like justice, holiness, righteousness, judgment, father, mother, family, nation, world, all, sin, salvation, and worship.

Who among us would have believed that the Lion of the tribe of Judah, would turn out to be the Lamb of God— whose consuming fire is a self-sacrificing Spirit of humility and love— for all?

Imagine seeing in on the Big Screen or in The Book something that causes us to say, “Open our eyes Lord. Open our ears. Open our hearts.”

 

 

 

 

 


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Mart. Odd how at my age I can still see my mother’s face and hear her voice as she said to me, “Steve you really have a good imagination.”

    It was long ago when I was very young, yet for whatever reason I can still recall her positive reinforcement of my ability to “imagine”.

    It is there in that instant when we imagine that possibilities are born and creativity germinates.

    I don’t particularly recall how the term “talking heads” came about, but if you watch TV what you see and hear are just that, talking heads. A lot is said, but nothing is done.

    I am actually old enough to remember radio as the main media of entertainment and after the newspaper, news.

    The old dramas and comedies that were on the radio allowed the listener to use their imaginations to picture what they heard. It was very different from today as someone else’s imagination already provides us with a view of what is occurring.

    So you might say in reverse to what Mart has brought to our attention today. To see the Bible played out in wordless action leaving what isn’t heard to our imagination to fill in.

    I am curious to see how this concept plays out in comments. Curiosity being a breeding place for “Imagination”.

    Steve

  2. SFDBWV says:

    A few hours later with “silence” as I read Mart’s thoughts it is almost as if he is asking if our own perception of what we expect from Messiah is not what we have learned to expect.

    As there is certainly little of the finer attributes of what we expect that a Savior would bring into the world, especially among “believers”.

    Looking for actions that show Christ, not just words or costumes.

    Take heart Mart, in between the cracks are glimpses of people behaving Christ driven, it begins with each one of us.

    Steve

  3. poohpity says:

    We do not have to imagine what the actions of Jesus were without words. All one has to do is read what His actions were by those who witnessed, followed and lived with Him and after He left in the cloud those after who experienced His presence in their lives by the Holy Spirit. I guess we can use our imagination but isn’t that what gets people in trouble not having the heart to actually see or hear what has been revealed, just the facts not what we can imagine which would be our own understanding at work not what actually was.

  4. poohpity says:

    What is that saying seeing the actions or pictures of someone is worth a thousand words. That seems to be why most children’s books before they can read are filled with illustrations of what the story is about. With only the illustrations of the life of Jesus we would see a kind gentle man who laid aside His mighty power to let us know how much He loves us wanting a relationship with all peoples and wants what is best for us.

  5. bratimus says:

    This is one that makes you think lol.

    Don’t remember the radio being the main source of media, so must be a little younger then Steve lol. I do remember a good factual News Paper that people read (I myself went for the comics stripes.) I do remember the black and white TV with the rabbit ears and only able to get a few stations and you had to get up and turn it on.

    But Mart’s concept of of a live action doc in with neighbors, wouldn’t most just look for it on their smart phone in their house, in their car or where ever that might be. And without words or someones opinion on it wouldn’t they find something eles to watch. Maybe that is the problem, we have let others think and imagine for us.

    Interesting where I went with this, imagine that

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  6. poohpity says:

    One picture that comes to mind for me is His standing with a woman who the crowd of trolls brought out for Him to condemn but instead He bent down and wrote in the dirt and looked back at the crowd of trolls into each of their eyes and without knowing the words they turned and left the oldest first then the others followed. Just because of His gaze into each one of their eyes and souls which would have pierced the soul and heart of everyone of them.

    Or the times He stood with those rejected by the crowds because the crowds saw them as unclean but He reached out to touch them, to show them of His love and acceptance.

  7. poohpity says:

    If I could only write better for explaining the picture of the woman and the crowds it would have better to say the crowd were pointing their fingers at the woman but Jesus used His finger to write in the dirt.

  8. bratimus says:

    Personally I do think God would want a reality tv show documentary for people to sit and watch, because to many would be sitting and not doing the work of God. If God wanted that show, wouldn’t Christ came in this era. To truly find God the father, Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit one needs to step away from all the tech and the gagets and find solace and peace.

    Won’t it be the evil one to use all the tech and gagets, to decieve the many.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  9. bratimus says:

    I don’t think God would want* early I’m tired.

  10. poohpity says:

    I think God would want the Good News to get out however it can whether one reads His words every morning or watches His Word with pictures only just to tell His story to everyone.

  11. poohpity says:

    I not only think I know God wants to get His story out to all peoples of the world. In fact isn’t that the great commission that all God’s children are given?

  12. street says:

    in a way you don’t have to go to a movie theater to see this. just open your eyes and get out of bed and the silent scenes will play out before you each day, all day without interruption pause or play back.

    the whole earth is filled with His Glory!

    up holding everything by the power of His word.

  13. street says:

    the hard part is getting to the silent place of stillness. where peace is a reward of those who find Him, along with many other good gifts. joy love…….

  14. bratimus says:

    My point I was trying to make is that God dose not need mans tech to get His word out, after all all mans tech is just man poor attempt to become more like God. Man should look for God and God’s word with in themselves. Not on a picture screen or any kind of screen. The reality of it is that reality TV anything is pretty made up or manipulated for entertainment effect. Don’t get me wrong God will allow things for a certain time, just don’t assume that God willed something. God will use mans greed for a purpose for a time.

    After all the truly lost children of God wouldn’t go to the picture show, and some don’t even have tech or gadgets, they need to be searched for.

    In Christ namme

    Bratimus

  15. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think God needs what man imagines He needs to draw His children back to Himself as it has been His plan from the beginning to do so.

    I would imagine that not everything is as it seems when it comes to seeing from God’s perspective.

  16. street says:

    Man should look for God and God’s word with in themselves.

    sorry but man is dead to God, can’t make himself alive to God. just like satan drew man to himself through deception God draws mankind to Himself by the Truth.

    Jesus The Way The Truth The Life. His Grace and Mercy are incredible.

  17. poohpity says:

    As Mart said, which it seems many have failed to read or understand, “It amazes me to think that for so many years I’ve been studying the words of our faith while barely hearing or seeing the Word who was born to give us a different way of imagining a world of words— like justice, holiness, righteousness, judgment, father, mother, family, nation, world, all, sin, salvation, and worship.”

    As Jesus was taken up into the clouds we do have to listen to His words which said, “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

    Also Romans 10:14-15 NLT 14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”

  18. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    September 17, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    just like satan drew man to himself through deception God draws mankind to Himself by the Truth.

    Jesus The Way The Truth The Life. His Grace and Mercy are incredible.

    This is the truth of the Gospel and God’s truth shall conquer where man’s perversion of it will fail.

    And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.

  19. bubbles says:

    I wish we could one day see how Jesus worked a crowd as he taught here on earth. I wish I could see this now in person! I’d like to be able to see how he reacted to so many “needing” Him all the time.

  20. street says:

    29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

  21. foreverblessed says:

    Imagine-
    Mart is asking a lot of questions.
    He had posted a topic earlier this year: Unhitched.
    About the fact that we be unhitched of the Old Testamentic view the Jews had about the Messiah:
    He would come and crush the enemy of Israel with power and a lot of blood.

    You could “imagine” the blood of their enemies. That’s what they did.

    Let it now happen to be the blood of the Messiah,
    The promissed One, for whom a body was prepared
    (Psalm 49:6 Septuagint)
    The high and mighty One, the One by whom all that is made is made, Hebrews 1:3
    He entered a human body, the Incarnation,
    What a humility, just as the last comment writes about:
    Phil 2:5-11
    Welcome Walter and Deborah!

    But I believe Mart wants us to imagine the humility of Jesus, being shown in His actions.

  22. jeff1 says:

    I imagine Jesus as the lion and the lamb which is why there are times to show humility and a time to say as Jesus did to Peter ‘get behind me satan’.

    If ignorance of God is widespread today it is because we are ignorant of Him.

    God does what He has to do and not as I imagine He will do because He has to right the wrongs of man’s waywardness.

    That is God’s call and I need not to get in His way of doing that as He does know best how to defeat satan.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    The things that Mart has barely seen or heard in the world were once more common in the Christian world, though always under attack by the enemy of such things.

    Or at least that is my view of the things I know. When I was a child children could play on the streets without worrying about being abducted or of being shot by drive by gangsters.

    Towns and cities were filled with churches that were filled with people.

    You didn’t hear vulgarity used as a normal way of speech.

    A hand shake was a contract.

    And a man’s word was his reputation.

    Integrity and honor were attributes to be admired and sought to obtain.

    Punishment fit the crime.

    The world around us has always had the ant-christ and that spirit has always caused disruption to a peaceful life amongst us, but its power has been increasing and will continue to increase until that point in time when the seals are opened and judgement comes.

    The same world that nailed its Creator to a wooden cross seeks to destroy all that is good and decent and honorable and wholesome in yours and my life.

    And he uses every tool at his disposal.

    The question might be why doesn’t God stop him? That answer may be found at the beginning, when God’s warnings were ignored and once again when His Son was rejected.

    But then again the big story played out by generations of little stories may just have to remain a mystery until we come face to face with the Author.

    Leaving us to trust, to believe, to obey even when it might all seem to be in vain.

    45 degrees and a little foggy.

    Steve

  24. SFDBWV says:

    Congratulations Mart on getting BTA’s format repaired.
    Thanks
    Steve

  25. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of these quotes from C. S. Lewis:

    We learn, on the one hand, that we cannot trust ourselves even in our best moments, and, on the other, that we need not despair even in our worst, for our failures are forgiven. C. S. Lewis Hands , Always Trying

    When I lay these questions before God I get no answer. But a rather special sort of ‘No answer.’ It is not the locked door. It is more like a silent, certainly not uncompassionate, gaze. As though He shook His head not in refusal but waiving the question. Like, ‘Peace, child; you don’t understand.’

    If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will… then we may take it it is worth paying.

    There is no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God, and counterclaimed by Satan.

    God] will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of heaven as a shortcut to the nearest chemist’s shop.

    All that we call human history—money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery—the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.

    If you do not take the distinction between good and bad very seriously, then it is easy to say that anything you find in this world is a part of God. But, of course, if you think some things really bad, and God really good, then you cannot talk like that. You must believe that God is separate from the world and that some of the things we see in it are contrary to His will.

    The next moment is as much beyond our grasp, and as much in God’s care, as that a hundred years away. Care for the next minute is as foolish as care for a day in the next thousand years. In neither can we do anything, in both God is doing everything.

    God, who needs nothing, loves into existence wholly superfluous creatures in order that he may love and perfect them.

  26. jeff1 says:

    The love of God is greater far
    Than tongue or pen can ever tell;
    It goes beyond the highest star,
    And reaches to the lowest hell;
    The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
    God gave His Son to win;
    His erring child He reconciled,
    And pardoned from his sin.

    Refrain:
    Oh, love of God, how rich and pure!
    How measureless and strong!
    It shall forevermore endure—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.

    When hoary time shall pass away,
    And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall,
    When men who here refuse to pray,
    On rocks and hills and mountains call,
    God’s love so sure, shall still endure,
    All measureless and strong;
    Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.

    Could we with ink the ocean fill,
    And were the skies of parchment made,
    Were every stalk on earth a quill,
    And every man a scribe by trade;
    To write the love of God above
    Would drain the ocean dry;
    Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
    Though stretched from sky to sky.

  27. jeff1 says:

    There’s no disappointment in Heaven,
    No weariness, sorrow or pain;
    No hearts that are bleeding and broken,
    No song with a minor refrain.
    The clouds of our earthly horizon
    Will never appear in the sky,
    For all will be sunshine and gladness,
    With never a sob or a sigh.

    Refrain

    I’m bound for that beautiful city,
    My Lord has prepared for His own;
    Where all the redeemed of all ages
    Sing Glory! around the white throne;
    Sometimes I grow homesick for Heaven,
    And the glories I there shall behold;
    What a joy that will be when my Savior I see,
    In that beautiful city of gold.

    We’ll never pay rent for our mansion,
    The taxes will never come due,
    Our garments will never grow threadbare,
    But always be fadeless and new,
    We’ll never be hungry or thirsty,
    Nor languish in poverty there,
    For all the rich bounties of Heaven
    His sanctified children will share.

    Refrain

    There’ll never be crepe on the doorknob,
    No funeral train in the sky;
    No graves on the hillsides of glory,
    For there we shall nevermore die.
    The old will be young there forever,
    Transformed in a moment of time;
    Immortal we’ll stand in His likeness,
    The stars and the sun to outshine.

    Refrain

  28. poohpity says:

    Open our eyes, O Lord, we pray,
    enlighten heart and mind;
    that as we read your word today
    we may its treasures find.

    Open our ears that, small and still,
    your voice be clearly heard,
    to guide our steps and cleanse our will
    according to your word.

    Open our lives to love’s embrace,
    our dear redeeming Lord:
    your word of life and truth and grace
    within our souls be stored.

    Open our lips, O Lord, in praise
    to tell what love imparts:
    the work of grace about our ways,
    your word within our hearts.

    by Timothy Dudley-Smith

  29. poohpity says:

    In that prayer from Timothy encapsulates everything Mart was trying to open our imaginations to see.

  30. poohpity says:

    Open our eyes, Lord
    We want to see Jesus
    To reach out and touch Him
    And say that we love Him

    Open our ears, Lord, and help us to listen
    Open our eyes, Lord, we want to see Jesus

    Open our ears
    Teach us to hear
    Open our eyes, Lord
    We want to see Jesus

  31. SFDBWV says:

    When I was younger it always amazed me how the Israelis could have rebelled during the Exodus, lost faith and even ask Aaron to build the golden calf.

    These people had firsthand witnessed the miracles of the plagues on Egypt all the while being protected themselves from any of them. They had walked across a parted sea on dry land and watched as their pursuers all drowned.

    Only a couple weeks earlier.

    Yet there they were doubting God.

    I have come to learn over my own lifetime and experience with God that I am no different and imagine most of you as well. We soon forget the things God has done for us and center on whatever trouble is upon us presently.

    Or perhaps still upon us.

    I had to smile at the very last of Mart’s comments, “Open our eyes Lord. Open our ears. Open our hearts.”

    As we all crave to see to hear and to have that reassurance etched into our hearts (essence).

    It is written that faith is a gift from God. I believe that each one of us is given just enough encouragement to bolster our faith yet leave us with enough “silence” in order for that faith to grow.

    Eager to hear from “Walter and Deborah”, welcome friends.

    Steve

  32. street says:

    ….to give us a different way of imagining a world of words— like justice, holiness, righteousness, judgment, father, mother, family, nation, world, all, sin, salvation, and worship.

    sometimes the idea of these truths are so far away.
    blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Back in the 70’s the was a TV movie that lasted nearly 6 hours that I found to be very enjoyable as it was the best rendition of the story of Jesus of Nazareth I had ever seen.

    In fact that was its title “Jesus of Nazareth”.

    Over the years I have watched it several times and it remains one of the best attempts to put the story of Jesus up on the screen.

    To my youthful shock it immediately came under criticism from the Southern Baptist leadership well before it had even been aired.

    Criticism, why?

    Like the legal experts of the Law of Moses any mention or explanation of religious interpretation had to be screened and filtered through them before they could put their seal of approval on it.

    Personally I found nothing in the movie that warranted criticism or my being protected from by modern religious experts.

    Yet when I tried to share the news of the coming TV story with some Baptist friends of mine, they told me their church had warned them not to watch it.

    Warned them not to watch it.

    It is sad that if Mart’s imaginary silent movie were to be shown, that just its announced coming would raise eyebrows among opinionated would be religious experts cocked with a critical eye even before it was seen. However it would be.

    We all have a view of what we want to believe and any mention of a deviation from it is met with an aggressive response. Is that being “Christ-like”?

    Personally I think that there are plenty of actions being played out in the nature of Jesus every day all around the world. The reality being that such acts remain silent only because we are not aware of them.

    If we were able to see them without words, would we still recognize them as being done in the name of Jesus?

    Or are we in error that we think we need to hear that good deeds are only good deeds if we hear them done in the name of Jesus?

    38 degrees and clear.

    Steve

  34. jeff1 says:

    It looks like in today’s world these truths are far away and why it takes all my imagination to see Jesus distinct from this world.

    Jesus has overcome the world’s so it is not quite as it seems.

    It takes faith to believe that and why we are witnesses in a world that is moving away from what we know.

    I have to trust God with the future and if I have found Him to be trustworthy in the past then it is more than likely I will continue to do so.

    I should get over myself in thinking the God of the Universe needs me and see that it is by His grace and mercy I exist and He will fulfil His purposes in my life as is His intention to do so when I step aside and allow Him to accomplish it.

    The only person that stops me earing and seeing God is myself or that is what Jesus is telling my heart today.

    It seems that I have spent my lifetime running from Him and it is difficult to break the habit of a lifetime I find.

    Redeemed

    Seems like all I can see was the struggle
    Haunted by ghosts that lived in my past
    Bound up in shackles of all my failures
    Wondering how long is this gonna last
    Then You look at this prisoner and say to me “son
    Stop fighting a fight that’s already been won”

    I am redeemed, You set me free
    So I’ll shake off theses heavy chains
    And wipe away every stain now I’m not who I used to be
    I am redeemed
    I’m redeemed

    All my life I have been called unworthy
    Named by the voice of my shame and regret
    But when I hear You whisper, “Child lift up your head”
    I remember oh God, You’re not done with me yet

    I am redeemed, You set me free
    So I’ll shake off theses heavy chains
    And wipe away every stain now I’m not who I used to be
    Because I don’t have to be the old man inside of me
    ‘Cause his day is long dead and gone
    Because I’ve got a new name, a new life I’m not the same
    And a hope that will carry me home

    I am redeemed, You set me free
    So I’ll shake off theses heavy chains
    And wipe away every stain now I’m not who I used to be

    I am redeemed, You set me free
    So I’ll shake off theses heavy chains
    And wipe away every stain now I’m not who I used to be

    Oh God I’m not who I used to be
    Jesus I’m not who I used to be

    ‘Cause I am redeemed
    Thank God, redeemed

  35. poohpity says:

    Wow Viv, what an appropriate song for what happens to those who are redeemed.

    There was only one movie that was the closet replica of what we are taught in scripture without all the input from Hollywood that they actually ended up with a false narrative about Jesus, it was close to right on without many words at all and that was “The Passion’ of the Christ”. Most if not all the others were Hollywood’s depiction from their own imaginations not with integrity to the scripture. But of course that goes along with what we are taught to compare all things we see or hear to scripture for truth because many do not take care to hold to truth as long as it entertains those who watch.

    If there were a movie that showed the actions of Jesus without words they would see the care and concern God has for all mankind and the lengths He went through to prove that love. To show the value and worth that mankind has to God even though He does not need us He wants us ALL to have a relationship with Him.

    From the opening scenes in the garden when God looked for Adam and Eve because they were hiding from Him but He pursued them and when He found them and addressed what they done He covered their shame with the first shed blood to make clothing that would last over leaves. Just picture that and think that He has never stopped His pursuit of us/mankind.

  36. jeff1 says:

    I’ve come too far to look back
    My feet have walked through the valley
    I’ve climbed mountains, crossed rivers
    Desert places I’ve known
    But I’m nearing the home shore
    The redeemed are rejoicing
    Heaven’s angels are singing
    I’ve come too far to look back
    Look around, there’s no happiness
    There’s no reason for living
    Life will give you a broken dream
    Filled with heartaches and fear
    Turn around and don’t look back again
    Face the new day before you
    Place your heartache in Jesus’s hand
    He will mend broken dreams
    I’ve come too far to look back again
    There is nothing behind me
    All the treasure I used to love
    Have all faded from view
    There’s a new day ahead for me
    All my heartaches is over
    For I left it at Calvary
    Where my new life began

    Heaven’s angels are singing
    I’ve come too far to look back

  37. SFDBWV says:

    I know people get a little touchy when we open the discussion up to politics, but Jesus is King of Kings and will according to the Book of Revelation return to govern the world from His throne in Jerusalem

    I can speak about being the top banana politically in my little town, which is why I feel sorry for those who hold any public office from small town Mayor to President.

    T.D.Jakes said something that resonates with me and is just plain good advice, “Don’t you know there are people who will try to get you to do something they cannot and they will kill you trying to make you do it.”

    Most people think if you are the Mayor that whatever they want from you all the Mayor needs to do is do it or make it happen.

    Actually I am glad that it just doesn’t work that way. No Mayor anywhere has that magic wand that all they have to do is wave it over whosevers problem and it goes away.

    I think though that some people expect that Jesus as King will be able to do just that, just speak to their problem and it will go away.

    In fact I would expect many think it that way right now.

    Because Jesus Himself said to ask anything in His name and God the Father would do it.

    So why isn’t like that?

    Why do the simplest prayer requests go unanswered?

    Is it because like the nation of Israel’s religious experts that expected their view of Messiah, we too have an errant view of Messiah?

    I am reminded of a verse of Scripture that says, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”

    But if you look further this statement, though quoted by many of itself, comes with a story of inaction from a disobedient people.

    Mart is saying here that action speaks louder than words and the advice James gives us is to be very careful what we say.

    I am already missing Joyce and so many others who have disappeared from our group.

    Blessing for all today.

    Steve

  38. bratimus says:

    Steve said,

    Why do the simplest prayer requests go unanswered?

    Do they go unanswered or do some just not like how they were answered.

    When I ask for something in prayer, and most of what I ask in prayer is not for myself. How God answers is up to God, I don’t lay out a guide line on how. I know God will answer the prayer, in His time, in His way.

    Through faith God will give me what I need when I need it.

    I’m still here Steve, just haven’t been to chatty lately, sometimes being still and silent is good form time to time.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  39. jeff1 says:

    God says more in my silences before Him than He does during prayer. My prayer is not requests for myself other than asking God for forgiveness and to take care of my family and friends.

    In this world I am to expect tribulation and so I do not believe God is angry because there are difficulties but know that He is present in them and helping me through them.

    There are believers who think God should be blessing them all the time but I do not hold with those beliefs and wonder how they have come to belief them.

    Religions want God to have favourites and why there is so much ignorance of God but it makes people happy to think this way and delusional people do not seek the truth as they believe they already have it.

  40. foreverblessed says:

    The topic is Imagine what Jesus did, by just looking!

    I have tot say that I look at what Jesus SAID, o lot.

    Like about praying, what Bratimus wrote:
    He prays mainly for others, and Jesus SAID:
    “Ask what you want”

    Now, the asking that I do has changed, from a lot for myself, till I saw that God is waiting for my prayers for others.
    And Hebrews 11:1 got a whole different meaning for me:

    It is like: Imagine…

    I pray for others, and I “see” with eyes of faith, ( so I do not see it now) that God puts a seal on that person,
    Just because I asked!

    I rejoice greatly for all the people I am going to see in Paradise, because of a prayer.
    Numb 6:22-27

    “So they will put my name on the Israelites, ( my fellow man)
    And I will bless them.”

    Being blessed, Jeff, when you see it as a spiritual blessing, I believe it is so:
    Just like Stephen was greatly blessed with a vision of Heaven, while being stoned.

    So humanly speaking, it seemed God did not protect him.
    But from God’s point of view, Stephen was blessed, and the death of Stephen brought blessings to those who witnessed it.

    That part of Gods plan I do not understand, I thought Jesus’ Cross alone was enough to save, what the suffering of saints have to add….
    As Paul said in Col 1:24-27

    But they do, and we were promised that in this world we will suffer,
    “But take heart, I have overcome the world”
    Jesus said.

    That takes eyes of faith too,
    or Imagination.

    ( That song Jeff gave, Sep 19, 6.07 am Redeemed)
    We are redeemed, we have to believe it…
    Made white in the blood of the Lamb, Jesus

    ( Commenting on the topic, Imagine Jesus without words, I have to meditate on that more, I find it hard, can people understand that His crucifiction was for them, to redeem them, when no words or captions are used?)

  41. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, I hope you still read: my friend who had cancer, and was doing fine, this week, she heard there is a spot on her liver, and in the stomach, which is a setback. Please pray for her.
    Maybe someone who is on Facebook can tell her. I am not on Facebook.

  42. SFDBWV says:

    There is a program that shows up on Discovery Channel every now and then called, “Brain Games”.

    It Is entertaining in that they use a variety of ways in which by looking at something, even color, what the eyes sees isn’t what is actually there.

    Gaps and distortions allows for our brains to fill in what may be missing, even though what you are looking at is clear to what your brain perceives it turns out to be wrong.

    I have always heard it said that Eve was seduced by what she seen. That the fruit was “pleasant to the eyes” (Genesis 3:6 KJV).

    Equally I have heard many sermons that use that little part of verse to explain how we cannot trust our eyes, as they are a portal into many forbidden desires.

    If you can’t trust your eyes then can you trust what you hear?

    Again I take us to Genesis 3:1-5 KJV, where the devil “says” to Eve things that apparently are also pleasing to hear.

    Ok so if we can’t fully trust what we see or what we hear, can we trust what we read?

    Over time we have discussed how mankind has used the written Word of God to validate slavery, capital punishment, war, the conquest of other nations and to judge the actions of others negatively.

    It seems that the devil in the process is, us. How we process the information we are given and then how we act upon it.

    It appears we are all broken and in need of being healed, repaired, fixed, made new.

    Once again we are promised that once we accept Jesus as Lord we are made new, but it seems more like instead of instantly being made new it is more of a prolonged process that will not be finished until we are reunited with the Lord either in death or in the rapture.

    In the meantime school is in and life produces some very hard lessons for us to “overcome” and persevere unto the end.

    Aided by Christ, but not relieved of it.

    37 degrees under a starry sky.

    Steve

  43. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    September 20, 2019 at 3:53 am

    Being blessed, Jeff, when you see it as a spiritual blessing, I believe it is so:
    Just like Stephen was greatly blessed with a vision of Heaven, while being stoned.

    I wasn’t thinking of people who see it as a spiritual blessing because their words say otherwise.

    A divided religious country opens your eyes to many wrongs and here God is often looked on as catholic or protestant depending on what divide you come from.

    They change God to fit their beliefs rather than seek to find His truths.

    I have a very good protestant friend who when I challenged her with her beliefs was quick to tell me that she would believe what she wanted and I find that people who follow their religion are adamant their religion is right and another’s is wrong.

    This same friend who believes that Jesus has saved her will often go on about how the Jews crucified Christ and if I said to her that so did we she would be horrified so people believe what they want to as it is often more palatable to them than the truth.

    My friend will accept that Christ died for her sins but she will not accept the responsibility for His crucifixion and will point to the Romans and the Jews hence why she sees herself as ‘better’ than them.

    As you say I find it hard, can people understand that His crucifixion was for them, to redeem them, when no words or captions are used?)

    Believers will accept Jesus’s Crucifixion was for them but don’t ask them to take responsibility for putting Him there as it horrifies them and yet it is the ‘truth of the Gospel’.

  44. poohpity says:

    It is so true that words can be misunderstood and also our eyes can play tricks on us as well. It also seems true that prayer may not change the circumstances but it can change our hearts which in turn changes how we see and hear things. We can then experience God’s hand even in the smallest of things if we are really looking for His heart.

    All things work for our good
    Though sometimes we don’t see
    How they could
    Struggles that break our hearts in two
    Sometimes blind us to the truth

    Our Father knows what’s best for us
    His ways are not our own
    So when your pathway grows dim
    And you just don’t see Him,
    Remember you’re never alone

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart
    Trust His Heart

    He sees the master plan
    And he holds our future in His hand,
    So don’t live as those who have no hope,
    All our hope is found in Him

    We see the present clearly
    But He sees the first and the last
    And like a tapestry He’s weaving you and me,

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart

    He alone is faithful and true
    He alone knows what is best for you

    God is too wise to be mistaken
    God is too good to be unkind
    So when you don’t understand
    When don’t see His plan
    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart

    When you don’t understand
    When you don’t see His plan

    When you can’t trace His hand
    Trust His Heart
    Trust His Heart

    I guess it all comes down to whether we really love the Lord and trust that He knows best! Whether we understand His words and or can see His actions we place our lives and those of our loved ones in His hand as well as ALL others.
    To someday be just like Him

  45. poohpity says:

    Isn’t that what faith is all about?

  46. poohpity says:

    All the burdens we bear until one comes to the point of truly believing, Not my will but YOUR will be done.

  47. poohpity says:

    People who often do not give their children a does of Vitamin N raise ungrateful, entitled, disrespectful and often do not have many friends but God does give us doses of Vit N often and we can trust that He has reasons beyond what we know to say NO which is an answer to prayer although not what we want to hear often. He is not after all Santa Claus, He is GOD!

  48. street says:

    faith begins at the end of self. which is a gift from God.

  49. jeff1 says:

    Evil opposes You, my Lord,
    And those You free from sin.
    It sneers and shouts its deadly lies
    And whispers here within.

    You are my shield, O living Christ,
    My truth, my strength, my light,
    My joy, my song throughout the day,
    My keeper through the night.

    I can lie down and safely rest,
    Secure in all You are –
    Unfailing light when all is dark,
    The Bright and Morning Star.

    You are salvation, O my God,
    Pure love in all You do,
    And all are holy, safe, and strong
    Who simply trust in You.

  50. poohpity says:

    Jesus did and still does expose what is in the heart of mankind as Mart said, “the Word who exposed their lack of love for one another, for their disgustingly poor neighbor, and godless enemies.” When, not if, Jesus opens my eyes and mind to that very issue I find it very hard to point that out in others because my own heart comes blaring out and blinds me from looking at them, so much to see in the mirror. But if I walk away from that mirror forgetting what I saw then my tendencies turn my gaze to focus else where, I then feel I have room to talk about others.

    In Luke 11 Jesus taught about prayer in a way that reflected the most important thing to ask for was the Holy Spirit so that we can know God therefore have our prayer life reflect having Him in our life so that we treat others the very way He treated us with grace. Love for one another, helping the poor and love for our godless enemies. In other words opening our eyes to see and our ears to hear what only He has shown and taught us by His example.

  51. street says:

    been thinking about imagination desire and opinion. seems to me to be the makings of a toxic cocktail. throw in deception darkness division and chaos.

    light unity fidelity imagination desire truth. the righteous shall live by faith. living in hope. learning to love.

    Jesus said My sheep hear My Voice and they will not follow another.

    20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

  52. SFDBWV says:

    What thinkest thou, that the thoughts you write down here are yours or God’s?

    I had given a scientific discovery that the moment of decision in the brain is undetectable by modern scientific means. So where does ideas come from?

    It has over time been discussed here that only from our life experiences can we relate to any subject and so whatever said is anchored to who you are, who you were and who you have become.

    So when we set down to write from whence do our thoughts germinate from? Locked somewhere in our brains, or from our spirit?

    If I understand what is given in Scripture, it is our spirits that are eternal and our flesh that is temporary.

    Was it only our flesh that was wrought in secret in our mother’s womb or were our spirits also called into being?

    That famous advertisement for Scientology has a professor tell his class that everything you know, every emotion, every memory, and who you are is nothing more than this as he drops a human brain down on his desk.

    So if you don’t agree with the professor, then you must believe that your spirit has all the attributes described in the abilities of the brain, including “imagination”.

    So my thought is this, could your spirit capture the essence and meaning behind the Biblical story, given only the ability to watch it unfold without written dialog, sound, or explanation?

    Is our spirits able to perceive in ways we could only explain as un-natural or extra sensory?

    Mart’s thoughts are for me a terminal where by many tracks leave the station in many different directions.

    Praying all Is well for all of you.

    Whether you participate or just look in.

    Steve

  53. street says:

    What thinkest thou, that the thoughts you write down here are yours or God’s?

    don’t think this is as important as who you belong too?

    sure the Book of James talks about faith and works.

    The Potter is indeed busy, yet He has rested from all His Works.

    a rest not to be missed.

  54. poohpity says:

    Ooooh my!

  55. jeff1 says:

    Is It So Amazing

    There’s someone I call when I’m heavy with care
    Someone I can turn to my burdens He’ll share
    A rock I can lean on He’s always my friend
    Always there for me a tree that no one can bend
    Well is it so amazing how often He can make things right
    When the one who made the universe takes the time to hear my prayers each night.

    This worlds a creation and so there must be a mighty creator who made all we see.
    And all that we need with love He’ll provide
    So how can we fail if we have Him by our side
    Well is it so amazing how often He can make things right
    When the one who made the universe takes the time to hear our prayers each night.

    So friend if you need Him then do as I do just call for His hand He’ll be there for you He’ll give you the strength your lacking within.
    As long as you live you’ll give the glory to Him
    Well is it so amazing how often He can make things right
    When the one who made the universe takes the time to hear your prayers each night.
    When the one who made the universe takes the time to hear your prayers each night.

  56. poohpity says:

    If we are in fact nothing more than what is fed into our brains wouldn’t it be well to only feed it with teaching that is good, kind, loving and compassionate rather than hatred, evil, bitterness? Just like to have a healthy body of flesh we have to feed it more than sugar, fat and carbs or it will not function to it’s highest capacity as the brain dictates.

    If we only had a brain without all the other parts that work together to make us function as whole human being be needless? A brain can not act it can only think and it thinks what it is feed. So as in most sci-fi movies it has to be connected to something else to function. Where would a brain be without blood or what would a brain do without the body it was created to run?

    Instead of filling our minds with garbage that another human being has dreamed up or imagined why not fill it with what is so wonderful that it goes beyond our imaginations to what actually is. How can one talk about God in their life if they have never experienced it? Those who have usually come away with many of the same experiences even though they may have never met before.

    So no matter how many brains are laying on a table it is not a person without the physical and spiritual components. Where did that brain come from? Did it form itself? Just think about it. God does not exist because we read something or saw a picture only when we have EXPERIENCED His presence in our lives do we KNOW that He really exists.

  57. poohpity says:

    In fact before any scientists came away with any study on the brain God in many places in scripture knew the importance of the brain on our lives. For instance that is one of the reasons we are taught “Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.” So God the very One who created our brains knew what our brain is fed with effects everything in our lives.

  58. poohpity says:

    So in a very small, finite way the Professor was right about the brain but that is not in anyway the whole picture of who we are.

  59. poohpity says:

    Scientology is a self determined religion. It is all about self focus and just as Satan used a bit of truth to deceive so does that. No one will be deceived if they are grounded in truth. People often want things to happen so badly they are willing to dive into any philosophy and high sounding nonsense even if it drives them away from God so that what they want will happen they will try anything in an attempt to bring it about even if it destroys their souls.

  60. street says:

    in the Old Testament it is mentioned that the life of the animal is in the blood. not the brain. cain and able gave sacrifices. one was accepted or regarded. we no longer make sacrifices of blood. it would be redundant and/or unbelieving. yet in the millennial kingdom sacrifices will be practiced again. when a sacrifice was offered, did the party understand it was a substitute?

  61. Beloved says:

    Dear Forever, I have been rereading your posts as they are more of what I find “needful” for my own edification along with Street’s as this is what is important to me now, growth in grace mercy and love of and for God. I just don’t have energy anymore for other things. Yes I pray for your friend, cancer is terrible like sin, but Jesus has overcome all of it! I pray your friend experience peace and joy beyond the natural. I find Viviens songs encouraging as well.

    May all here grow in the grace and knowledge of God in Christ Jesus.

  62. Beloved says:

    Oh dear!! I do not mean to offend others here, but I’ve noticed lately how much the devil is in the details of my thinking so please forgive me and look at Jesus our overcomer. Thank you, Joyce

  63. SFDBWV says:

    I have had little time today to devote to BTA, but in checking in I noticed Joyce.

    Hang in there friend, we are all tempted by the dark one, especially me.

    Few knows the trials of another or the exhaustion it creates.

    Stand fast and hold your ground.

    Steve

  64. SFDBWV says:

    A Christian blog titled “Been Thinking About” should leave open a myriad of thoughts, as some of us do think and in doing so our imagination can take us on many journeys.

    In the beginning God “breathed” life into the lump of clay whereby He had fashioned Adam.

    We are dual beings in that we are spiritual and exist in a flesh and bone body, whereas there are many influences that effect the flesh we are also influenced from outside the realm of flesh and bone.

    In a spiritual world where there are dark spirits as well as the Spirit of God that influences us as well.

    Our surrender is to the Spirit of God, our salvation is of and by the Holy Spirit who became flesh in order to be sacrificed for all of us.

    God breathed life into us…His life as well as ours.

    Steve

  65. Beloved says:

    Steve I was “taught” that we are 3 part beings; body, soul and spirit. (My early Baptist teaching.) Not disagreeing with you, just thinking how God renews my spirit when my body and soul are weakened by sin temptation and the devil. I’m a good target as I am weak in both body and mind. Sometimes trying to imagine a God so much better even as I look at Jesus’s life in the scriptures doesn’t feel as though I could be a partner when grace and mercy seem so little sometimes as the bruises are throbbing.

    I still won’t read all postings on here because my mind is like a sponge, always thirsty and S T U P I D. Therefore an easy prey. Even reading theologians, Godly tested men/women can send me into a fog sometimes.

    Giving credit where credit is due: poohs message of unrelenting grace and mercy from God toward man is right on. Sometimes, like me, she just talks too much out of her head. Thus we have clashes. I’m all clashed out folks.
    Only looking for peace here. Thanks.

  66. poohpity says:

    Oh good grief, lol, Joyce.
    *****************************

    It is fine to talk about different views but if I remember right there were people on here that brought in different religious teaching other than what the Christian faith teaches and yes they were called on it. If we open the door into our minds for false teaching and heresy when one is not actually grounded in truth and may be doing it out of ignorance but they will and can be leading others astray as well especially if someone respects the person. As Jesus taught putting a stumbling block in someone’s way by false teaching which is a sin and woe to that person who does it.

    Paul also spent much time teaching that very thing. Why open the door to the Devil and his deception? Do not give any time or room in your mind just because one is disappointed that God does not do what one wants so they go out searching for something else to take God’s place and guess what nothing can take God’s place. My hunch is that God never really found a place to live in that person to begin with, it was either shallow or rocky soil that the seed of truth landed on and never took root. Why look for anyone or anything else when all we need is found in the Lord?

  67. jeff1 says:

    Jesus is the old lamp lighter lighting my path through the darkest night.
    Jesus is the old lamp lighter keeping my pathway bright.
    Life is just a candle burning easily dampt in the wind and rain.
    Jesus has lighted the pathway for me safely He leads me home.
    Through the life of discontentment when I have faltered and lost my way.
    The old lamp lighter guides my footsteps safely till break of day.
    And when the darkness gathers round me fearfully towing the end of day.
    Jesus will light the path before me softly to Him I’ll pray.
    Jesus is the old lamp lighter lighting my path through the darkest night.
    Jesus is the old lamp lighter keeping my pathway bright.
    Jesus is the old lamp lighter safely He’ll lead me home.

  68. SFDBWV says:

    As early in the morning as I get up and get going I am somewhat taken aback by a pack of dogs a fellow on the other side of town has tied out in his back yard.

    He lives at the edge of town a very nice individual and someone who likes to coon hunt, hence his pack of coon dogs.

    However sometimes instead of that still quiet morning what I hear is the nonstop barking of these dogs and some mornings it goes on for a very long time.

    I think to myself how in the world does anyone who lives next door to him or even on that side of town stand it.

    It’s not the fact that they are dogs as dogs are just dogs and barking is one of the things they do and especially any bred to bark and chase after “critters” and I am certain that these dogs smell, hear or may even see some that starts all the noise.

    It is just the noise that is disturbing. As it grates and annoys and interrupts that serene time of the morning when all is usually calm and quiet.

    I think perhaps that is one of the concepts of Mart’s, that the story of our faith played out in silence just may be more serene more peaceful and more enjoyable that one with all the noise that distracts from it.

    Like the dogs I spoke of people are people and there is no end to their opinions and no end to their readiness to express them.

    As everyone tries to talk over the other pretty soon instead of a message of faith all that is heard is “noise”.

    Making that quiet peaceful serene picture of worship and fellowship all the more desirable.

    As Jesus had stated, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak”, sometimes the spirit also gets weary and tired and needs some rest.

    We are going to Morgantown today to see one of my doctors. Matt likes to go because we will eat at Wendy’s. It is an all day trip and we will all be tired by evening.

    So until tomorrow, may you all be blessed today.

    Steve

  69. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    September 22, 2019 at 2:17 pm

    I still won’t read all postings on here because my mind is like a sponge, always thirsty and S T U P I D. Therefore an easy prey. Even reading theologians, Godly tested men/women can send me into a fog sometimes.

    I have a mind similar Beloved and why I struggle with confusion but I have learned to wait on the Lord to speak to my heart and He clears the confusion when I do.

    Learning to rest in Christ has been difficult for me but the more I do the more God reveals to me and the more secure I feel in His love and protection.

    Perseverance has been my greatest weakness but I am learning to trust in God’s leading rather than fumbling on in the dark and making my situation worse.

    I am so often my own worst enemy and so God says ‘Child, don’t panic, I have got you’.

    He Will Carry You

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you
    He said, “Come unto Me all who are weary, and I will give you rest”

    There is no problem too big God cannot solve it
    There is no mountain too tall He cannot move it
    And there is no storm too dark God cannot calm it
    There is no sorrow too deep He cannot soothe it

    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my brother that He will carry you
    And if He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
    I know my sister that He will carry you

    I know my brother and I know my sister
    That He, He’s going to carry you
    Oh yes, He will
    He’s going to carry you

  70. poohpity says:

    Steve, isn’t most of what you write just your opinions as is most of what everyone else writes? You are the leader so show us how to stop voicing our opinions which is often very disruptive as you associated by the pact of howling dogs! Romans 2:1

    I pray for your journey to be safe, your lunch enjoyable and the doctor to have good news. In the name of Jesus!

    *************************

    If anyone who has never been exposed to Jesus I think seeing Him in action, with no words, would provide quite a testimony to His love for people. He healed, feed and comforted many without judgement. To see that lived out would be way more than just words can do because many people say many things that do not match what they do.

  71. poohpity says:

    You know I was thinking that not one time did Jesus tell the people He loved that He loved them but rather every action He did showed the length, breathe, width and height of His love. Actions speak louder than words!

  72. jeff1 says:

    It’s not surprising God says more in our silences as otherwise He wouldn’t get a word in edgeways.

    I see love in action every day but I also see hatred such is the ways of the world and why God said we will have tribulation but take heart He has overcome the world.

    My hope is in Him and why I continue to trust in His ways beyond all other.

    Standing on the promises of Christ my King,
    Through eternal ages let His praises ring,
    Glory in the highest, I will shout and sing,
    Standing on the promises of God.

    Standing, standing,
    Standing on the promises of God my Savior;
    Standing, standing,
    I’m standing on the promises of God.

    Standing on the promises that cannot fail,
    When the howling storms of doubt and fear assail,
    By the living Word of God I shall prevail,
    Standing on the promises of God.

    Standing on the promises I now can see
    Perfect, present cleansing in the blood for me;
    Standing in the liberty where Christ makes free,
    Standing on the promises of God.

    Standing on the promises of Christ the Lord,
    Bound to Him eternally by love’s strong cord,
    Overcoming daily with the Spirit’s sword,
    Standing on the promises of God.

    Standing on the promises I shall not fall,
    List’ning every moment to the Spirit’s call.
    Resting in my Savior as my All in all,
    Standing on the promises of God.

  73. Beloved says:

    Imagine???

    WISDOM FROM OSWALD CHAMBERS

    It is impossible to read too much, but always keep before you why you read. Remember that “the need to receive, recognize, and rely on the Holy Spirit” is before all else.
    Approved Unto God, 11 L

  74. street says:

    imagine serving 14 Do everything without grumbling or arguing, 15 so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.”

  75. Beloved says:

    Ouch, I read that this morning. The road to blamelessness and purity is marked by many breakdowns. Imagining a better kingdom while I pick myself up and dust myself off, again. Daily. Thank you Jesus for helping me up and once again placing your holy garments around my cold shoulders. You are my strength hope help deliverer the lifter of my head and my righteousness. In You I trust.

  76. Beloved says:

    Oh , but surely he didn’t mean a blog?!!! Or, did he? Is he speaking to Christians EVERYWHERE they go?

  77. jeff1 says:

    In Christ Alone

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save
    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

    There in the ground His body lay
    Light of the world by darkness slain
    Then bursting forth in glorious Day
    Up from the grave He rose again
    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
    For I am His and He is mine
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ

    No guilt in life, no fear in death
    This is the power of Christ in me
    From life’s first cry to final breath
    Jesus commands my destiny
    No power of hell, no scheme of man
    Can ever pluck me from His hand
    Till He returns or calls me home
    Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand

    I will stand
    I will stand, all other ground is sinking sand
    All other ground, all other ground
    Is sinking sand, is sinking sand
    So I’ll stand

  78. Beloved says:

    I was referring to the apostle Paul earlier.

  79. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    I pray all is well in your lives. Have missed chatting with you. Wow! Hallelujah! The old format is back! I feel like jumping up and doing my happy dance… but alas! I’m too tired right now. Have only read two comments on this blog topic–Mart’s intro comment and the first comment (Steve’s). I had a long day, but I think I have enough energy in reserve to comment on the 1st paragraph of Mart’s intro comment…

    “Imagine being able to spend a couple of hours every week with our neighbors, in a local theatre, watching on a big screen a reality-show-documentary of The Word of God— without words. No sound. No closed-captioning. Just action—all the way to the last scene when he leaves his friends staring into the clouds.”

    I tried to put myself in that place… The place of knowing nothing about Jesus… a blank page with no knowledge of who Jesus is.. with no knowledge of what it means to be born again… with no knowledge of what it means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ.

    I would be watching that reality show documentary with “wide-eyed” wonder… marveling at the mysterious power of the main character in the documentary, and happy that He was using his power to help people. I would be saddened to watch him suffer punishment, and would be wondering why people were treating him like that. I would be shocked beyond measure when I watched him ascend into the sky, and I would wonder what that meant. Would also be wondering if he were a good ghost or an angel. My thoughts for now because I want to read a little bit before I get too sleepy.

    86 degrees and clear in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  80. SFDBWV says:

    Thinking about how little children and some of us who are still like children inside relate and react to what they see on the big screen.

    Having actually been to theaters and observing people, sometimes when gruesome or frightening things pop up on the screen children and some of the more squeamish among us hide their faces as they don’t want to see it.

    Thinking of course of the brutality of the Passion of Christ and Mel Gibson’s gift to his audience of how he imagined it.

    Children of course are naturally curious and so when Jesus became angry at the money lenders and expelled them from the Temple, I would suppose that would innocently ask why.

    When Jesus called Lazarus from the grave would the children understand that it was Jesus who through His voice commanded that Lazarus return to His body and walk out of his tomb, without subtitle or hearing.

    Would the children or the uninformed understand it was Jesus who told Peter to cast the net on the other side of the boat?

    Would they understand why the Magi came to worship a baby born in a stable?

    It begins to sound as though there would have to be a lot of explaining to go along with Mart’s silent movie. The danger and confusion being how or who they may get their explanation from.

    It may sound easy as all they have to do is then read the Bible, but nowadays there are many different interpretations of the Bible to choose from.

    So more danger and more confusion comes from those who tell them what to read and what to believe.

    I would suppose that before any of us tell someone else how to think, we better be sure we are qualified to do so before doing so.

    50 degrees and a clear starry sky.

    Steve

  81. bratimus says:

    This movie at this theater WE are watching that Mart suggested. My thought go to wouldn’t God want to narrate the Movie to let nothing slip by for all to understand and what a sound system that would be.

    Steve brought up the Passion of Christ movie I never seen it. Somewhere around my high school years or a little after I stopped watching movies based off the Bible, due to there might be a little adding and maybe taking away from the actual meaning.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  82. jeff1 says:

    If we wonder why our television or films are depicting more violence and sex we are told it is representative of the world we live in.

    I can remember a time when censorship meant we were not exposed to the violence and sex going on in the world but then history tells us that it was still going on but we were not privy to it.

    People will hold very different interpretations as to ‘why’ but for myself I see that ‘sin’ is still very much at the heart of what is in our societies today.

    It’s still what separates us from God today and though I find it much easier to recognise the sins of others I know that sin lurks in myself also and so I do not tell anyone how to live their life as I do not see that I have a right to.

    I have run from God because I tried to do the impossible and it is now I see my dad’s wisdom in keeping his focus on ‘Jesus sacrifice’ because by doing so he did not have expectations other than to have tribulation in this world be it his own or another’s and in the case of someone else’s he was willing if he was able to help.

    Being a believer today does not qualify me to think I know or understand God any better than the next man/woman.

    Jesus leads each of us as He knows what fits His purpose which is for our good and His will and I either trust, doubt, falter, wander or all combined but I can trust His promise as I have ‘His Word’ and as a believer that is enough for me.

  83. poohpity says:

    Imagine the opening scene of Jesus with His family and His followers going to a wedding feast which in those days lasted for a week. There were no stores as we have in today’s times and one of the main elements was wine but wait it has run out which would have greatly embarrassed the family who was having the wedding but instead of shining a light on the void Jesus signals the servants to fill the jars with water. We see the water go in but the minute one takes a cup of it, we suddenly see it has turned to wine. Not just any wine but the best anyone has ever tasted then the camera focuses on the faces of those who taste it.

    Their faces light up in great surprise and the family who’s wedding it was just started dancing in glee and merriment, the party continues. They walk up to Jesus and in gratitude embrace Him and on their faces Jesus sees the thankfulness as the camera pans out into the crowd and the enjoyment that all are experiencing.

    Then the camera goes to the mother of Jesus and with a look of admiration she remembers the prophecies about her son and her eyes look up into heaven and as she stands alone on the outskirts of the party she lefts her hands upward in worship.

  84. poohpity says:

    There is a very big difference in a Documentary and regular movie.

    Solomon in all his wisdom which came from God said, “The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.” In other words if we only listen to one person then we do not get the whole story but just their perspective and who knows if that perspective is not influenced by bias.

    When an investigator is following a lead they ask for information from many witnesses to get a clearer picture of what took place in their search for truth. It would be ignorant to ask someone about the crime scene that was not even there but give their take on it anyway just as it is to ask someone about what the bible says when they have never read it but have pretended and talked as if they have.

  85. poohpity says:

    So it is beyond extraordinary that 40 different authors over the span of thousands of years come away with similar experiences with God because they are all talking about the One true God who never changes and through all those writers point to the very One who was to come(OT) and then describe Him after He did come(Gospels) and then prophesy how it will be when He returns all by the help of the Spirit of God who wanted to reveal Himself to His creation just so they could have a relationship with Him. Now how can one make a Documentary about that unless, unless they have a love for the Lord?

  86. jeff1 says:

    I have to say that if I am bias it is in favour of God though I have no knowledge of the Bible.

    I was instructed in my faith at Sunday school and infrequent visits to church and weekly visits to the gospel hall where I grew up.

    My dad was the greatest influence in my life when it comes to my faith as his example was to believe that because Jesus suffered it was inevitable that we would and that we should take the good with the bad with the view to being on God’s side in choosing to do what is right in His sight and let God be the judge of all.

    I know now that not everyone has had that kind of teaching or influence in their life so it would be unfair of me to expect others to see from my perspective when they have had different influences in their lives.

    I have a limited view but God has not and why I must trust in His leading and not my own understanding because I have little understanding when it comes to what God is doing in the world.

  87. poohpity says:

    Viv, I don’t think anyone really knows what God is doing in the world. His ways are far beyond our understanding. He can see things we can not so we come from an finite understanding of the infinite. Just like we only see a very small part of any person and not get the whole picture of them even if we think we know them so well, there are hidden parts that only God can know so that is why it is better that we do not judge because we really know so little and there is so much that makes up every person from the time they are born and all the things they live through or with in life we do not know but that makes up who they are. Only God knows everything about everyone yet He they are of such value and worth to Him and we see that by what He did on the Cross for everyone in the world, past, present and future.

    So why would we be qualified only knowing a millimeter of a person’s life when there are many kilometers that we do not know but yet still think we have the right to voice opinions of them.

  88. Beloved says:

    Viv said : I have a mind similar Beloved and why I struggle with confusion but I have learned to wait on the Lord to speak to my heart and He clears the confusion when I do.

    Learning to rest in Christ has been difficult for me but the more I do the more God reveals to me and the more secure I feel in His love and protection.

    Perseverance has been my greatest weakness but I am learning to trust in God’s leading rather than fumbling on in the dark and making my situation worse.

    I am so often my own worst enemy and so God says ‘Child, don’t panic, I have got you’.

    Viv thank you so much for this testimony; it is so encouraging to me! And yes He is so faithful as I asked Him a particular question the other day, one that’s been troubling me for a while now, and He has been answering it very slowly and shown me things I did not understand about the problem. I love how laid back and personally He responds to me. No imagination needed! Thank you for being so articulate here. Thank God for placing us just where He wants us to be, in His sovereignty and for His good purposes. Because “in all things God works together for the good of those who are called according to His purposes”.

  89. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, it overwhelms me when Jesus responds to me because often it is to rebuke my thoughtlessness towards others and the truth hurts and I am like a wounded animal who has to lick their wounds but it is what brings me closer to Him.

    The more I see my lacking the more I see my need of Him and I am astounded at my ignorance of God.

  90. Beloved says:

    We all are ignorant of God in sin be way or another. One day we shall see Him face to face! But not yet or we would perish!

  91. Beloved says:

    We are all ignorant of God in one way or another. If we saw Him now we would perish! But one day we will see Him face to face! In due time.

  92. Beloved says:

    @9:39 was a mistake.

  93. jeff1 says:

    So God has His reasons which is why it is best to rest in Jesus as there is peace in His victory and when I focus on Him I renew my hope.

    God does not need me to understand as much as He needs me to trust and why He points to Christ for to calm and reassure me of His presence.

  94. Beloved says:

    Christ reassures us our sin is forgiven. Every bit of it from the day we first knew Him. And when we seek His forgiveness for sins of the day. That’s where our peace comes from. Often the Enemy likes to taunt us also. I too need reassurance I am accepted in the beloved. Daily. But He gives it joyfully! Joyfully! Imagine that, a God that is joyful about giving grace and mercy! It can be hard to even imagine. But I think if we had walked with Him even on the road to Emmaus we would have seen joy in Him. I think as His disciples could not comprehend it until the Holy Spirit came as promised so we also have a hard time understanding it until the Holy Spirit opens our eyes. It’s all a work of God, everything! Imagine that!

  95. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 12:2

    AMPC Looking away [from all that will distract] to Jesus, Who is the Leader and the Source of our faith [giving the first incentive for our belief] and is also its Finisher [bringing it to maturity and perfection]. He, for the joy [of obtaining the prize] that was set before Him, endured the cross, despising and ignoring the shame, and is now seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

  96. Beloved says:

    (Not the road to Emmaus but anytime before His resurrection. ) I misspoke.

  97. jeff1 says:

    I have to admit I find it hard to see God as joyful in this world today and perhaps why it is a stretch to feel joyful myself.

    I feel reassurance that in Christ my sins are forgiven but that does not make me happy about the state of the world and I think it must disappoint God greatly that so many are not seeking or even believe that He exists.

    Just my opinion Beloved not meaning to be argumentative.

  98. Beloved says:

    You don’t have to “try” to see God as joyful, He says it in His Word. Just believe. And trust. We cannot trust our perceptions as they are damaged. Damaged by the world. Not arguing at all with you. Just what I learn from God as the Bible reveals Him as we think about Him in a different way. It does make it feel like a stretch to imagine God in Christ to be joyful, yes I know. That’s what Mart is alluding to. The more I know Him the more He surprises me. There is a book C S Lewis wrote called “Surprised By Joy”. About his conversion. Have you heard of it?

  99. Beloved says:

    The joy the world offers is minute compared to the evil it offers, absolutely. That’s why He sent a savior. A savior with compassion for a very very evil world.

  100. Beloved says:

    I agree that only in Jesus do I find the compassion I need.

  101. jeff1 says:

    Yes, I understand that God’s realm is very different and I need to focus on that fact but my mental instability makes that very difficult.

    It is good to hear these truths that dispel my ignorance of God but I believe God allows me to mourn when I suffer loss or be happy when there are joyous occasions and that He does not expect me to be in an imaginative world when I have to live in the real one.

    I cannot read a book Beloved as it is too much concentration for me and I get stressed too easily when I have too focus too long on anything.

    I prefer to rest in Christ than try to understand God’s plan as it just gets too involved for my mind and I loose my peace which is not good when you have my condition.

    I do enjoy the blog but I do not always grasp what Mart is getting at because I have from school days been very bad at comprehension which limits my understanding.

    It is good you share your thoughts as it helps me understand.

  102. Beloved says:

    Imagine!

    “The hardness of God is kinder than the softness of men, and His compulsion is our liberation.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life

  103. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, for your prayers, and for your conversation, Jeff and Beloved. The struggle that you share.

    Before I write anything else, I really was struck by the devotion of:

    My Utmust today:

    about Matthew 5:41

    “Jesus Christ “demands” that His disciple does not allow even the slightest trace of resentment in his heart when faced with tyranny and injustice. ”

    Demand- in the sense of being changed byy Christ is the heart, so that we can be like that. Only IN Jesus can we fulfil the sermon on the mount.

    I thought this devotion so essential, to my growth in Christ, He explains it so well.

    What Jesus is telling us in the sermon on the mount, is not a “law” you should do this and you should do that. We cannot of ourselves not feel resentment against tyranny and injustice, as we do feel that. Only when we give our resentment to Jesus will we get rid of it.

    The only thing that we can do is say: Lord, here is my resentment, I do not want it, please give me more of Your Grace and mercy.

    WHen we had given ourselves to Jesus, as King of my heart, we in fact said:

    God will revenge, I will not.

    But boy, that is hard, that is hard for Jeff, who lives in a country where those that had killed others are now in position of power. Do they come away with that violence? That is injustice, so it seems.

    It is a struggle we all have as christians. Till after a long time, we get a sense that it is the only way:

    Following Jesus, and wanting to do what He says, “Demands” as Chambers put it.

    “Forgive, for they do not know what they are doing”

    Pray for them.

    When we were called by Jesus, we were drawn out of the world of darkness.

    Many people do not know that they live in darkness.

    There was a light from heaven, shining in our hearts:

    “For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness” made His lIght shine in our heartsto give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ”

    That is a glorious moment!

    For anyone!

    It happened to Saul, who was a tyran, and he thought that he was serving God, by persecuting the christians.

    God could shine in the heart of Saul,

    Saul saw a Light, a supernatural Light, and Jesus did appear to him.

    That story is so encouraging.

    So any tyran that we have today, can be touched in the heart, by that Glorious Light, of GOd, in the face of Christ.

    I as a christian should not hold onto resentment, that is my partm fighting against it, but better giving an antidote: praying for them instead:

    “God, You touched the heart of Saul, You can touch the heart of this tyran, and that tyran”

  104. foreverblessed says:

    About Imagine

    Mart asks us to Imagine to see a documentary of Jesus, without words. Regina was alos asking herself, imagining that you have not heard about Jesus before, is kind of hard.

    I have a story of a fellow church goer in my church. He comes from Iran, I have written about him before. He was a muslim man, as most are. But he was greatly depressed. In his depression he traveled to his beloved uncle, and to his suprise, that uncle gave him a bible: “Here, you read this”

    He went home, and started reading in Genesis. But his depression worsened, reading Genesis.

    So he traveled back to his uncle, and said, this does not work.

    Then his uncle advised hem to start reading in the New Testament instead of Genesis.

    He went back home, and started reading in Matthew 1.

    He couldn’t stop reading.

    He said to me at that point, we as Muslims, do not hear anything about Jesus. All these stories were new to me.

    “I was so amazed at this man, He was doing good, going around healing people, comforting them”

    But the most impressive thing about Jesus was that He said, while hanging on a Cross:

    “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

    This great and powerful man, asks God for forgiveness. THat is unheard of in my country. THis was indboggling, totally new.

    So this man was being blown of his socks by reading Matthew, for the first time reading about Christ,

    He also said, that he had no idea why Jesus was hanging on the Cross, neither that it was for his own sins, that Jesus had taken up his sins and took them away on the Cross.

    But I believe, that God starts working in a heart with small seeds. Just one seed, and from there works deeper and deeper.

    And that takes years and years for some of us. As long as we keep growing, and keep our eyes on Jesus, and not fall back to our own decisions.

  105. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    September 25, 2019 at 2:43 am

    But boy, that is hard, that is hard for Jeff, who lives in a country where those that had killed others are now in position of power. Do they come away with that violence? That is injustice, so it seems.

    Forever, you have no idea how it helps me for you to see how hard it is in our country as many here feel the world is against us and so for you to say you understand our difficulties overwhelms me.

    Most are like Pooh who will make you feel guilty for struggling with forgiveness but they have not lived through the destruction of bombs, bullets and intimidation which went on for 30 years and that is a long war as I was a teenager when it started and a middle aged woman when a peace deal of some kind was implemented though many are not trusting of where it is leading.

    It is very hard to trust the political wing of a terrorist group who have at no time condemned the tactics of that group but rather are just using a different strategy to achieve their aims.

    I understand that God does not do sides and history tells us that our past has caught up with us and so it seems we pay the price for our ancestors mistakes.

    I guess that does seem like punishment from God from where I am standing and perhaps why I find it hard to be joyful when it seems the hand of God is against us today.

    Seems like a time to be sorrowful rather than a time for rejoicing but that is just my thinking.

  106. poohpity says:

    Viv, you said, “Most are like Pooh who will make you feel guilty for struggling with forgiveness”. Gee I did not know I had that much power to MAKE anyone feel anything. Not only that but how can one who has struggled greatly with forgiveness say to anyone else just forgive when I have struggled with forgiveness myself towards others who have harmed me. Just another assumption and false accusation to pile on the rest in others words a lie.

    I know from first hand experience that forgiveness is a process that only with the help of someone greater than myself can help me work through and sometimes it is a long process. God helped me realize that He forgave me so who was I to withhold it from anyone else because it was only harming me and did absolutely nothing to the person who I was not forgiving. I learned that holding on to unforgiveness was the cause of much anger, bitterness and even hate which DID effect my relationship with God and I did not want that to happen, so I opened my heart for the Lord to help me and He did and still does.

  107. poohpity says:

    Please stop blaming me for things that go on within your own mind and heart. It is not my fault and often it may be God at work to help someone see an area that they need to turn over to Him. Take responsibility for what goes on inside of yourself, no other human being can MAKE us feel anything, they do not have that kind of power. If I had the power to make anyone feel anything I would make them feel compassion, kindness and forgiveness but I don’t and can’t. I know without a doubt that I am not God and do not ever want to be.

  108. poohpity says:

    The Holy Spirit convicts His children of sin, not in an attempt to break them but in an attempt to have them repent, turn away, from sin and come to Him.

  109. jeff1 says:

    You will always vindicate yourself Pooh it’s a trait in fallen human nature and so you shouldn’t take it personally but with God’s help I can overcome my struggles of guilt.

    I cannot understand or change the hearts of my enemies but I can leave them in God’s hands and give myself a break.

    As you say it harms myself and not my enemies so I know that it is what God wants me to do.

    Learning to trust God gives me peace that I would not otherwise have.

  110. poohpity says:

    I am not vindicating myself I am showing you that you do not know me so stop accusing me or blaming me for things that go on inside of you. It is not my fault. YOU blamed me for your guilt, didn’t you? It is right there written by you.

  111. foreverblessed says:

    When I had come to a closer relationship with Jesus, when I had left that fundamentalistic church, my husband would work and work, come back home late at night, first thing was putting on the tv. (22 years ago, this is.)
    And watch till late hours.
    I would say something about that, or ask to shut the tv. But he wouldn’t.
    We would get arguments about it.

    Then one morning, I was in the kitchen, doing the dishes,
    Thete appeared a question in my head, not in words, but in knowledge:
    A very very soft question:

    “Are you now that servant that beats his fellow servant?”

    I could consider thinking that over.

    Boy, how difficult that is, still is!

    Let’s pray for one another, to be able to let go.

    Let go, and let God

    I pray in Jesus’ Name, He alone can make us able to do this.

  112. poohpity says:

    I would have prayed for God to help me be the kind of wife that my husband can not wait to come home to talk to instead of turning to the TV rather than for God to change him.

  113. poohpity says:

    What is it that makes us want to pray for God to change others rather than for Him to change us and our reactions to them instead? That, it seems, is because we blame others for everything rather than having to take any personal responsibility for our own actions.

  114. jeff1 says:

    I don’t blame you for anything other than being shortsighted where Forever is not. Pooh, you should take your own advice and take responsibility that you have a twisted mind and twist words likewise.

    I thank God that He knows better than to give power to the likes of you or I and trusts His power to those with sound minds otherwise I tread to think the state the world would be in.

  115. poohpity says:

    Such kindness, mercy and grace comes pouring out of your heart, Viv. See what happens to a heart that lacks forgiveness, see how bitterness, anger and hatred take root.

    Does your lack of reading comprehension also mean you do not understand what you write as well?

  116. Beloved says:

    Good morning all, Forever I love hearing about the journey to peace with God by your Iranian friend. Isn’t that the story of Jesus life and purpose!!! I love it! And thank you for sharing about your own struggles as God used them to teach more about His ways. I had similar experiences with my husband yet God used it as a training ground. His school of training in righteousness. I remember at the time a book was going around church about how wives should cater to their husbands even meet them at the door with nothing but plastic wrap on!! How absurd. It wasn’t about sex it was about Jesus, living and loving as He did which a new convert as myself new nothing about! I am still learning 40 years later. We all are in the process. His process.

    *****************************
    Viv I read this today which came from Charles Spurgeon who explains things about the faith so plainly. I hope it makes sense to you.

    Our Justification

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

    Our Justification
    Just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
    Romans 3:26

    Being justified by faith, we have peace with God. Conscience no longer accuses. Judgment now decides for the sinner instead of against him. Memory looks back upon past sins with deep sorrow for the sin, but yet without dreading any penalty to come; for Christ has paid the debt of His people to the last jot and tittle and received the divine receipt. Unless God can be so unjust as to demand double payment for one debt, no soul for whom Jesus died as a substitute can ever be cast into hell.

    It seems to be one of the principles of our enlightened nature to believe that God is just; we feel that it must be so, and this terrifies us at first. But is it not marvelous that this very same belief that God is just later becomes the pillar of our confidence and peace! If God is just, I, a sinner, alone and without a substitute, must be punished. But Jesus stands in my place and is punished for me; and now, if God is just, I, a sinner, standing in Christ, can never be punished. God must change His nature before one soul for whom Jesus was a substitute can ever by any possibility suffer the punishment of the law.

    Therefore, Jesus having taken the place of the believer-having rendered a full equivalent to divine wrath for all that His people ought to have suffered as the result of sin-the believer can shout with glorious triumph, “Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect?”1 Not God, for He has justified; not Christ, for He has died, yes, has risen again. My hope lives not because I am not a sinner, but because I am a sinner for whom Christ died; my trust is not that I am holy, but that being unholy, He is my righteousness. My faith rests not upon what I am or shall be or feel or know, but in what Christ is, in what He has done, and in what He is now doing for me. Hallelujah

  117. Beloved says:

    Viv I believe a day is coming for you when the things around you, yes even the political strife will no longer be troubling for you but you will one day say “I thank God for where I was born and lived out my life because God used all these “troubles” to show me how lovely and righteous He is. Without them I would have never known Him and His son Jesus and for that I am eternally grateful”. It is well with my soul as the song goes. The ones Jesus loves seem to go through the deepest and darkest of times.

    Lord please shorten the times of troubles for us all and hasten the day of His returning.
    Amen

  118. Beloved says:

    To all:
    15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly.[h] Never be wise in your own sight.

  119. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I have read it several times and it helps to give me peace of mind especially the last sentence: “My faith rests not upon what I am or shall be or feel or know, but in what Christ is, in what He has done, and in what He is now doing for me”. Hallelujah

    That is a very comforting sentence and I can meditate on it when I feel the need to.

    Thank you for your concern Beloved and your encouraging words also that I will see God differently one day and as you say may it come soon.

    Amen.

  120. Beloved says:

    Imagine

    seeing in on the Big Screen

    or in The Book

    something that causes us to say,

    “Open our eyes Lord. Open our ears. Open our hearts.”

  121. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, as regards my heart people in glass houses comes to mind.

    At least I have very good reasons, what is your’s, I wonder, seems a lot of hostility towards anyone who holds an opinion that doesn’t quite meet with your approval and then you protest that you don’t play God.

    Well I don’t think your fooling God or anyone else.

  122. Beloved says:

    Mart I think that is a very good prayer.

  123. foreverblessed says:

    That devotion of Spurgeon, sept 25, is awesome (9.16 am sep 25 Joyce)
    So good to read,
    and to ponder about.

    Jesus came to serve not to be served. You could portray that, without words, just showing how He served his fellow men. Of course we would also see a lot of women serving food, and cooking in the kitchen. Would Jesus have helped them sometimes? I guess He would have, just as He picked up the towel and water bowl to wash the feet.

    About men/women role in the churches, what you said Joyce, is incredible. I know that in my old church, they would teach women: Bubble your troubles, like taking a bath, before your husband comes home, so that you could receive him unburdened, to catch him up, being worn out of a days work.
    We would have a big laugh about that years ago, 25 years ago, having little children who are getting tired, who need to be fed, not too late. What if the dad comes home later then expected….

    Anyway, there is a new young man on Discover the Word Daniel Ryan Day, and he said in one of the series, somewhere this summer,
    We as fathers had to learn to serve our family.
    When I would come home, I had to learn that I could not expect to just sit down adn relax, but that my son needed attention. And so I came from work, and would go on serving at home.

    I was listening to this, and could hardly believe what I heard him saying this:

    “I come home and start serving my family.”

  124. jeff1 says:

    Times have changed for the better for women as when I was growing up it was not heard of for men to do household duties.
    In our culture today that hasn’t changed as there are still men who don’t see women as their equal especially among the older generation while the younger men are growing up with the change so are willing to be part of it.

    My mum would say your father couldn’t boil water without burning himself.

    It was the times they lived in and they didn’t know any different but these days the younger generation of women will not allow men to dominate them as they see all too well that if they allow themselves to be made a door mat out of then men will willingly do it.

    Education has played a big part in allowing women equality as they are more confident in themselves when they work alongside men in roles equal to them in skills.

    I find that no one thinks much of a house keeper in today’s world and yet that is what I as a women have spent more time doing and it hasn’t done anything for my own confidence in feeling equal to men.

  125. poohpity says:

    That was so neat that Daniel Ryan Day noticed that about himself, I wonder what would have happened if his wife nagged him about it rather than him seeing it for himself?

    I seem to recall Jesus going over to some friend’s house and one sister Martha was running around in a fret trying to cook dinner for everyone and she complained to Jesus that her sister was not helping but rather Mary, her sister, was sitting at the feet of Jesus learning from him. Martha stated, ““Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”. Jesus said, ““Martha, Martha,” “you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed—or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

  126. poohpity says:

    Solomon taught, “A constant dripping on a rainy day and a contentious woman or man are alike—restraining her/him is like holding back the wind or grasping oil with one’s right hand.”

    Or “It’s better to live alone in the corner of an attic than with a quarrelsome wife/husband in a lovely home.”

  127. poohpity says:

    In a Documentary about Jesus we would see that the needs of others often took first place above his own and that is what He taught as He washed the feet of His disciples. Love in action is caring for the needs of others before yourself and yes that is what draws people to the Lord because that is the example He left us with. We do not do for others to get back but because of who we belong to.

  128. Beloved says:

    Forever I was told by my pastor that my husband would be “won” to Christ depending on my behavior, that to please him I must look like- dress like- the pagan that he was! I had given up my past erotic ways of dress and talk and action when I met Jesus. Yet my pastor said I needed to meet him where he was at! Turns out he was no longer interested in me and went to other women. It was Jesus he was running from and refused to his own eternal damnation. Godly growing in grace has been a long slow process, yet in the scope of time look how long it took before the reformation and Luther!

    I think the thing is to be grateful that God condescends to speak to us at all after the way we rejected Him from the beginning. Praise Jesus for His obedience that led to our freedom to know Him personally and without fear of judgement for sins we commit and sins committed by omission.

  129. Beloved says:

    The Bible teaches mutual submission between the sexes. Both submitting to the law of love through Jesus Christ. Do men or women do it perfectly? #$%@ NO! That’s why we need Christ to show us how to love one another despite our failings, and theirs. Only then will the peace of God prevail.

  130. Beloved says:

    Mark 12:30-31 New International Version (NIV)
    30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

  131. Beloved says:

    Love your neighbor as YOURSELF!? I had trouble with this for many many years because I did not love myself so how could I love others, I wondered. Well, by integrating God’s love for me into my thinking I learned I can love others. Christ IN me has shown me love. Hope that makes sense, it does for me. We are commanded to love others no matter what they say do or how they act. Oh He’s so different from all of us created beings.

  132. SFDBWV says:

    Well ladies I have been reading the thread of comments and it being my best advice to myself to stay away from the battle of the sexes.

    I will simply say not all men are created equal nor are all men the same.

    Just from my own personal view, the Law of Moses shown mankind’s inability to follow it and the Sermon on the Mount shown mankind’s inability to follow it as well; both showing a need for a “Savior” for all of mankind’s inabilities to do as God would have us do.

    I quit beating myself up because I can’t live totally up to either set of conditions and have settled into leaving my failures in the sacrifice of Christ.

    I will strive to be a better person and more like Jesus, but I know there is only one Jesus and while I can live in His shadow, I cannot cast the same shadow as He.

    Whereas He has commanded me that I love everyone, the truth is that there are some people I can’t stand, don’t like and avoid like the plague.

    Have I failed Christ? No, I have shown a need for Him.

    When I encounter the people I mentioned I remain polite, cordial and even friendly, but I cannot control their behavior, demeanor or attitude towards me.

    I will not initiate any aggression, but will only take so much from them before making the decision to walk away or respond. Every situation requiring a different response.

    Does this mean I have failed in being a true Christian? No it means I am an honest Christian and remain in a state of needing Christ throughout eternity.

    Not sure how a silent unscripted presentation of needing Jesus could be shown without words to explain.

    38 degrees and starry.

    Steve

  133. jeff1 says:

    I still have trouble with it because my neighbours made no secret of their hatred for us (still do) and wedged a war against us.

    In that war family, friends and neighbours where murdered and survivors like myself live with the aftermath.

    Many tell me of their nightmares still, of them still searching under their cars in case a bomb has been planted or keeping a gun nearby in case they would meet the same fate their family member, friend or neighbour met.

    Trust is a problem for them as they find it hard to trust anyone whom they have not known for a lifetime.

    My Rector asked me the other day am I out of date as to what is going on in the world and I thought of him being 20 years younger than I and living in Southern Ireland and he would admit to having little recollection of the troubles in the North.

    Never mind being out of date as to what goes on in the world it is possible to be completely oblivious to the misery going on in your neighbouring country.

    For those who do not know Northern Ireland is still part of the UK and independent of Ireland.

    It has been a political football from before I was born for politicians to bargain with and perhaps now I see my dad’s wisdom in never involving himself in politics and keeping his sights on God on whom he knew he could trust above all other.

    I can thank him today for being an example that has stood the test of time for it is time that has revealed to me that God knows best.

    My mum used cliches like ‘one persons meat is another’s poison’ and I had no understanding of what she meant by it.

    Life has taught me that one person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist and having lived in a country at conflict I have seen the consequences of it.

    History will be written no doubt each side getting their story across but for the real victims i.e those murdered, maimed physically or mentally they are very much depending on God for they have learned the hard way that we are much better at talking of love and forgiveness than we are at doing it.

  134. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Viv. I am going to give a little personal view of American history in relationship to any divided country, if I may.

    The noblest event of the American Civil War was how it ended.

    General Ulysses S. Grant accepted General Robert E. Lees surrender with humility and honor returning Lee’s sword to him and telling him, he and his men were free to go home.

    President Lincoln wanted to reunite a divided America and knew the only way was through forgiveness/reconstruction. He was killed for it.

    Both armies went home, but the loser allowed to hold on to their dignity even in defeat.

    The political atmosphere here in America today is very different and we are more divided than ever.

    Whereas we haven’t as yet set army against army as in 1861 we have begun to kill each other in other ways in what looks like random acts of senseless murder.

    There is still the spirit of rebellion behind the killings.

    I would like to say that it will end, but in truth I believe it to only be the beginning.

    Cain picked up a rock and killed his brother Abel because he was angry and nothing has changed since nor will until that spirit of murder is removed from mankind as given in Revelation and then it is only temporary.

    We are set into a course of action that won’t be different until all things are made new, again reference to the Book of Revelation, the very end of it.

    We are in the world, can observe the world, but aren’t actually a part of it. At least that is what our Bible tells us. It is hard sometimes to fully believe that though as we are so closely affected by it.

    The Lord told me long ago to “stand fast” and so that is what I do. I hold on to Him and stand fast awaiting His next move, awaiting Him.

    Be blessed Viv today and always.

    Steve

  135. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, thanks for your comment.
    Being respectful, even when disagreeing.
    that’s the aim.

    Righ now in England the archbishops are speaking up against the hate in the debate.
    They are calling for love and peace in the heart!
    Right now, while I am typing the archbisshop of Birmingham was giving a very good interview to the BBC.

    Very very good!
    They say: Love and peace is in the heart of a person, that is not dependent on the outcome of the debate.
    It is going on in the process of the debate!

  136. foreverblessed says:

    I was thinking about the parable of the good samaritan. It was the Levite and the priest who were on duty, and thought that their duty was first priority, so they did not help the wounded man.
    It is while we are on the way that the peace and love of Jesus is in our hearts.

    And if resentment enters, we who are disciples of Jesus are trained to give it to the Cross.

    But we fail often.
    Then we pick it up, say sorry, (confess our sins to each other) and start walking again, with Jesus as our main goal, not the other person, the opponent that has such incredible different opinions.

    May God bless us all, while we are walking.
    And if the differences overwhelm us, it is best to seek refuge in Christ alone.

    I always think of Spurgeon, who, when their church had a terrible accident, people died in a panic attack, he retreated, and did not appear for the church for two weeks.
    He went to Jesus, and cried out to Him; Unless You fill me with peace and love, I will not go back.
    (or something like that, wording is mine)

    After two weeks he felt the peace flowing through him again.

  137. poohpity says:

    Spurgeon seems like a very wise man. When I have issues with someone I try to do something nice for them in some way but that is after I have taken a step back and asked God to reveal something about them that is a positive quality. My anger or dislike does nothing to that person it only causes my heart to grow cold, hard and bitter.

    I was thinking without opposing thoughts or disagreements I would get rather full of myself thinking I know it all and no one has anything worth listening to but I know to get to know someone listening to different sides opens up learning and growing then the boundaries of my very small world are extended as well as my mind.

    The things Jesus taught and the kind of Messiah the people expected to come would have brought nothing but disappointment had they not seen with their own eyes the kind of Messiah He actually was. He changed hearts and minds by showing the actions of love. He freed them from sin, hatred, envy, murder, gossip, slander, etc. rather than freedom from Rome. Heart conditions are what keep us captive and when we release all that ugliness we have a freedom that is beyond earthly measure.

  138. poohpity says:

    It is like the parable of the 10 virgins I want to be prepared for the return of Jesus with my lamp filled with reserve oil rather than being found empty. ODB was a good one for today.

  139. Beloved says:

    My Utmost very good also.

  140. Beloved says:

    Steve I’m laughing because though it’s a mans world it seems to be women’s world on this blog, lol. We weren’t arguing yesterday, at all. I can see how you misunderstood, being a man?!? lol! (That was silly sarcasm) lol.

  141. Beloved says:

    Back to spiritual matters…

    WISDOM FROM OSWALD CHAMBERS

    Jesus Christ can afford to be misunderstood; we cannot. Our weakness lies in always wanting to vindicate ourselves. The Place of Help, 1051 L

  142. Beloved says:

    Steve we are to strive for holiness, right? So you are right on to go to Jesus and ask Him to change our minds. Oh He’s so faithful! Some think by going to Jesus they are wanting Him to agree with them. Not so though. He never agrees with sin! Just some personal thoughts. Good to see you posting, I miss you when you are not here for a couple days. Also wondering what Street and Bratimus are up to. As well as Regina, Saled, Bubbles & Pat.

  143. Beloved says:

    Pooh I used to ask the same thing when struggling to like someone, “show me something that is a positive quality about them”. But, the more I learn about God I have found that He doesn’t need to love and be “nice” to us because of our good qualities. I have learned that He loves us despite our sin. He died to take away our sin so it’s imperative we accept this great propitiation that is the only way to God. ( As I know you know along with most here). I think sometimes I am nice to others to the detriment of their eternal salvation, particularly when I do not share Jesus with them, which has been troubling me lately (thank you Holy Spirit ) .

    Now, I may be wrong. Not trying to put you down here. I love you in Jesus. I love all here because of Jesus. He has revealed great things to me while going through my dark soul nights lately. I am blessed.

  144. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    September 27, 2019 at 6:11 am

    The Lord told me long ago to “stand fast” and so that is what I do. I hold on to Him and stand fast awaiting His next move, awaiting Him.

    I am much too flaky Steve and why I believe God wants sound minds like yours.

    Mine is too worn out and just needs to rest from the world and I believe Jesus understands my need.

    My Jesus knows when I am Lonely
    He knows each pain, He sees each care
    He understands each lonely heartache
    He understands because He cares

    My Jesus knows just what I need
    Oh yes! He knows just what I need
    He satisfies and every need supplies
    Yes, He knows just what I need

    My Jesus knows just what I need
    Oh yes! He knows just what I need
    He satisfies and every need supplies
    Yes, He knows just what I need

  145. poohpity says:

    Love is just not something one says it is something one does, it is the actions one takes towards others. The proof of love is in the actions not the words or the feelings both of which can change in an instant.

  146. Beloved says:

    You are right I think.

    But, Sometimes the most loving thing a person can do is to leave them alone and let God work out their lives just as He works out mine which is to do and to be His will in the world. And we know what His will is as commanded. If I despair of someone not loving me in actions I must go to God and ask why? He will change me, not the other person. It’s how He rolls. We get what we don’t want often, but always we get what we don’t deserve—whether good OR bad.

  147. jeff1 says:

    Eternal Light! Eternal Light!
    What soul can bear Your searching sight?
    What heart, so open, pure, and true,
    Can live and calmly gaze on You?

    The glowing spirits round Your throne
    All serve where sin is never known.
    Their eyes can bear the burning bliss
    Beyond a darkened world like this.

    But how can I, a native here,
    Before Your blazing eyes appear?
    Can I, a creature of the night,
    Endure Your uncreated light?

    Praise God, You come to us in Christ!
    In Him our darkness all is light!
    O Fire of all-consuming grace,
    In Christ we stand here face to face!

  148. Beloved says:

    I was just thinking how actions no matter how loving can be manipulation in disguise.

  149. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of our Rector feeling he is out of touch with the world and being 20 years older perhaps why I am starting to feel like a dinosaur.

    When I was young life was so black and white or at least that is how I saw it but life has taught me that there are 50 shades of grey and I am not thinking of a movie here.

    I think it was you Beloved who mentioned that it was a man’s world and from my perspective that is how I see it and yet when I said that to my son he was very quick to point out that from his perspective it seemed more like a woman’s.

    He is the generation who has embraced change towards woman and treats woman equally so his view is different.

    When he was 16 he blamed me for the break up with his father and often accused me wrongly of things which I took on the chin as he was just a boy.

    Today he will say he sees his father’s selfishness because he has had experiences with him himself that has opened his eyes to it.

    I am no longer the wicked witch that as a young teenager he made me out to be.

    Time can reveal the truth and also although I am no longer in love with his dad I look out for him as best I can as he struggles with dementia so it also heals hurts so that we can get past the past and move on so that the future is not marred by it.

  150. poohpity says:

    Viv, it sounds like you are showing love in action towards your ex.

    It is amazing when we show love in action towards others and do not expect anything in return, it often comes back to us nonetheless maybe not from that same source but it will come back. Yes in showing love the motivation is very important because if we are only doing it to get it back(manipulation) then we will be very disappointed but if we are doing it because that is what God has done for us, it is amazing how the measure overflows. Luke 6:35

  151. poohpity says:

    Today’s Our Daily Bread fits in so perfectly with this topic. Sometimes we get so blinded by the evil we see that all the beauty that is happening gets lost or consumed by the vitriol.

  152. poohpity says:

    Paul warned Timothy about the last days;

    The Dangers of the Last Days
    1You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!

  153. Beloved says:

    All the more reason to trust and follow Jesus. Oh what a hope and joy He gives us!

  154. Beloved says:

    A servant is not greater than his master, therefore the Master gets all the love, praise and glory!

  155. jeff1 says:

    I don’t see it as showing love to my ex but rather trying to mend broken relationships so that my sons can leave the bad memories of the past where they belong.

    After 22 years in the marriage neither of us tried to seek other relationship and my focus as therefor been in looking to my son’s futures and I don’t want their relationships to be affected by the lack of love in ours.

    History as a way of repeating itself and so I am not expecting anything other than to draw a line under the past and give us all a chance for reconciliation so that we can be friends again and leave behind the animosity that broken relationships often leaves.

  156. foreverblessed says:

    May God bless you, Jeff, may His water of life flow through, as Jesus has promised in John 7:38-39
    May that touch your ex and your children, and many more.
    In Jesus’ Name I pray.

    May they all see Jesus, as the Great Love of their hearts.

    From Evening of today

    “I found him whom my soul loveth: I held him, and would not let him go.”
    Song of Solomon 3:4

    Does Christ receive us when we come to him, notwithstanding all our past sinfulness? Does he never chide us for having tried all other refuges first? And is there none on earth like him? Is he the best of all the good, the fairest of all the fair? Oh, then let us praise him! Daughters of Jerusalem, extol him with timbrel and harp! Down with your idols, up with the Lord Jesus. Now let the standards of pomp and pride be trampled under foot, but let the cross of Jesus, which the world frowns and scoffs at, be lifted on high. O for a throne of ivory for our King Solomon ( meaning Jesus)! Let him be set on high forever, and let my soul sit at his footstool, and kiss his feet, and wash them with my tears. Oh, how precious is Christ! How can it be that I have thought so little of him? How is it I can go abroad for joy or comfort when he is so full, so rich, so satisfying. Fellow believer, make a covenant with thine heart that thou wilt never depart from him, and ask thy Lord to ratify it. Bid him set thee as a signet upon his finger, and as a bracelet upon his arm. Ask him to bind thee about him, as the bride decketh herself with ornaments, and as the bridegroom putteth on his jewels. I would live in Christ’s heart; in the clefts of that rock my soul would eternally abide. The sparrow hath made a house, and the swallow a nest for herself where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O Lord of hosts, my King and my God; and so too would I make my nest, my home, in thee, and never from thee may the soul of thy turtle dove go forth again, but may I nestle close to thee, O Jesus, my true and only rest.

    “When my precious Lord I find,

    All my ardent passions glow;

    Him with cords of love I bind,

    Hold and will not let him go.”

  157. foreverblessed says:

    I Imagine this just above, being shown in the documentary about Jesus’ life,
    With the woman, anointing Him with precious ointment, with het tears, and drying them with her hear.
    The hear of women that should be covered in those years, but the hair made loose, ( or lose) and whiping Jesus with the hair. I imagine she must have had a whole bunch of long lovely hear.

    But these words of Spurgeon describes what was in our hearts, and Spurgeon urges us ( I like these words together haha)
    to have Jesus bound to our hearts in the same way as that woman.

    Mary, sister of Martha, also anointed Jesus, though not with her tears, but with expensive perfume, and with her hear.
    I do not presume that Mary was an adulteress in the physical sense. But we have all been aldulterous in the spiritual sense,
    And now we see that Jesus ought to take First place in our hearts!
    Jesus number One
    No one else who has a higher place in our heart.

  158. jeff1 says:

    I’ve been walking through this valley afraid of being unknown
    My God is always with me I’ve never been alone
    And I know that there are blessings already on the way
    So while I’m waiting I’ll be lifting a melody of praise
    I will sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top
    Circumstances change but my God does not
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what
    So I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top

    There where times upon the mountain where you taught me to sing
    I felt the comfort of your presence that only you can bring
    So in this lonely valley let a song rise from me
    I will praise your name for ever no matter where you lead
    I will sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top
    Circumstances change but my God does not
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what
    So I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top
    He is able He is faithful to see me through no matter what
    So I’ll just sing in the valley like I’m on the mountain top
    Mountain top
    Mountain top

  159. Beloved says:

    I have been hearing how our singing and praising God encourages others in their faith, how much more when we are singing from a valley of despair! Just like a good soldier in the army of God! I remember from years ago listening to David Wilkerson who preached to gangs in New York telling of a woman who came up to him and told how she had had a terrible life and was so depressed because of it. He led her outside to the alley and said, now, lift your arms to heaven and praise God! As she slowly raised her arms she said she felt her depression leave and became overcome with joy and gratitude toward God! Though she didn’t have a chemical depression it’s amazing how hope inducing praise of God can be! Even in the minute if we have to do it 100 times a day to get through; remembering we are not promised tomorrow, are we. What a joy and privilege to worship with saints together. How pleasing to God!

    May Gods glory shine in all hearts today and through the night. As easily as using our own words- or hair- to bring God glory! Forever that is a beautiful image, thank you for bringing it up.

  160. Beloved says:

    Forever thank you for praying for my new Mormon friend. It’s amazing, I’ve shared my life and testimony of conversion which she politely nods then we talk about other things. I know how they are taught so not surprised. However, she is starting to feel uncomfortable toward some of her leaders, as she claims have access to her electronics and have been in her apt when she is not there. Her deceased husband was wealthy and an important leader in their church. I help her with her security somewhat but I can’t help but believe the freedom I have in Christ may be appealing to her, so keep praying, she is in her mid sixties and definitely a follower of many years.

  161. poohpity says:

    The way I understand love, is that it is kind and patient. So to be kind to anyone is a show of love especially if it does not demand it’s own way or to get anything back. We love because God loved us not because of what anyone else does or whether it gets returned but because we are gifting out what God has gifted to us. Our hope is in God alone and if our hope is in God alone then we can show love to those we may feel are undeserving the reason why is because we did not deserve the love of God either but He showed that kind of love to us undeserving as we are.

    If we had a Documentary showing that, we might see that as people were slandering and attempting to throw rocks at Jesus, He rather than returning those actions and words walked away and then on top of that went to the Cross for those very same people which we know in the description of love says, “Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.”

  162. poohpity says:

    I guess it all comes down to if we believe in God and love Him. Does one really love God? If one does, does it come out in our actions and words or is it just words. Faith shows itself in our actions and words, saying we have faith in God then nothing to show is it really faith at all?

  163. Beloved says:

    Pooh that is a good topic to wrestle with! Much better than wrestling with each other:-)!

  164. poohpity says:

    It is futile to wrestle with that with each other because we do not have a clue what is in the heart of others while God does, we just assume or jump to conclusions without all the facts. But self evaluation if people are able to be honest with themselves will find whether they have faith or not. Romans 12:3 NLT; Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us.

  165. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it true that the amount of faith we live out it will effect how we treat others and how we live our lives?

  166. Beloved says:

    Absolutely! We are all at different places on our faith journey.

  167. Beloved says:

    But Jesus accepts and loves us just where we are. Growing in grace is also a gift we wrestle with although knowing at the end of the day He hasn’t abandoned us. Oh He’s so good! We just sang that at church a bit ago. Jesus Christ, the Cornerstone!

  168. Beloved says:

    Cornerstone – Cornerstone – Hillsong Live 2012 – (HD) (With Lyrics)
    6:54 · YouTube
    Lyrics
    My hope is built on nothing less
    Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
    I dare not trust the sweetest frame
    But wholy trust is Jesus’ name
    My hope is built on nothing less
    Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
    I dare not trust the sweetest frame
    But wholly trust is Jesus’ name

    Christ alone, Cornerstone
    Weak made strong in the Savior’s love
    Through the storm
    He is Lord
    Lord of all

    When darkness seems to hide His face
    I rest on His unchanging grace
    In every high and stormy gale
    My anchor holds within the veil
    My anchor holds within the veil
    Christ alone, Cornerstone
    Weak made strong in the Savior’s love
    Through the storm
    He is Lord
    Lord of all
    He is Lord
    Lord of all, Christ alone
    Christ alone, Cornerstone
    Weak made strong in the Savior’s love
    Through the storm
    He is Lord
    Lord of all
    Christ alone, Cornerstone
    Weak made strong in the Savior’s love
    Through the storm
    He is Lord
    Lord of all
    When he shall come with trumpet sound
    Oh, may I then in Him be found
    Dressed in His righteousness alone
    Faultless, stand before the throne
    Cornerstone
    Oh, yeah, in the Savior’s love
    He is Lord
    Lord of all
    Christ alone, Cornerstone
    Weak made strong in the Savior’s love
    Through the storm
    He is Lord
    Lord of all

  169. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus, our Conrnerstine
    Jesus, Power to save,
    Jesus Power to give rest to a restless mind.

    It is very good to “imagine” about that Power, very much so when the rest in our minds and hearts does not seem to settle down.
    Imagine, in the sense of: Meditating
    Though the rest has not come yet, Yet will I believe that Jesus will bring it.

    The devotion I read often in twolisteners, gave this

    September 29 – I Touch Your Arm

    Thy touch has still its ancient Power

    Yes! when you are quiet before Me I lay My Hand upon each head, and Divine Spirit flows through that healing, powerful Touch into your very beings. Wait in silence before Me to feel that.

    When you look to Me for guidance My Hand is laid upon your arm, a gentle Touch to point the way. When in mental, physical, or spiritual weakness you cry to Me for healing, My Touch brings Strength and Healing, the renewal of your youth, the power to climb and strive.

    When you faint by the way, and stumbling footsteps show human strength is waning, My Touch of the Strong and Helping Hand supports you on your Way.

    Yes! My Children, My touch has still its ancient Power and that Power is promised to you. So go forward into the future bravely and unafraid.

    “And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment;
    and as many as touched were made perfectly whole. ” Matthew 14:36

  170. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, thanks for the update of that lady.
    I have her in my heart. As I know the power of the enchantment of a very close sect. Spiritual powers they are, not from Jesus, but from the evil side as it was an angel of light,

    Such a strong net it has spun around you, without realizing. Thinking that I served the living GOd, BUt as I in my heart was really looking for God, mny search was honoust, God got a hold of me. And as God could get a hold on me, He can get a hold onthis lady.

    SO I pray for her, and for you, that you be relaxed, knowing that you are the beloved of God, and that the SPirit will give you what she needs to hear and see through you.
    O that we would trust God more and more.

    For you this might be interesting; Looking for youtube videos’s

    I watched:
    “Ex Mormon Gives Most Incredible Testimony EVER! Will Give You Chills! ”

    from there you can see other video’s, from his mother, and father, who also left because of his changed lif, THe freedom he had found in Jesus was incredible.

    I still am amazed that when I read that Jesus says:
    Look to Me, and spiritual strength will flow through you, and heal you, ad make you peaceful. That that really happens, bit by bit!
    So amazing.
    And I still am awed, at how many christians still look to the law, a set of rules to guide them.
    While they were meant to lead us to Christ.
    “So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ, that we might be justiefied by faith. How that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law”
    Gal 3:24-25

    The idea of looking to Jesus, and then some mystical thing happens was viewed upon as weird. in my old church, people would even get angry about that.
    Just follow the set rules and ask the Spirit to guide you.
    I do believe that we can start out like that: Just follow the 10 commandments and ask the SPirit to guide us.
    And while we walk with jesus, he slowly will guide us to deeper truths.

    He will say: I wasnt all of you, all of your time.
    Not only that one day in the week, whatever day that you chose.
    I donot want only 10 % of your money, I want all of you,
    All your moments are Mine, says Jesus.

    Not as a command, but as a deep longing that Jesus has for us, knowing that as we are living through Him more and more, we will get whole, and pure and holy.

    So Jesus says: “Give Me all of your moments”

    O, how I pray for that woman to find Jesus and come to rest in Him.
    That Jesus will give her courage, that He is stronger than any spiritual power that wants to keep her in that church.

    In the Powerful Name of Jesus I pray

  171. foreverblessed says:

    it is hair, not hear, o dear.
    But what a wonderful picture of Mary whping Jesus’feet with her hair.
    That is the state we could be in, so rejoicing about Jesus, how lovely He is to our soul, how sweet His touch.
    But take the time to sit at His feet.
    As Beloved did lately, and lef this blog, coming back, full of worship for Jesus.
    Thank you Beloved for having done so, and thanks to Jesus that He is true to what He promised:

    Come to Me and all you who are weary adn burdenend
    Matthew 11:28

    There is another advice in the Psalms:
    Do not fret because of evil men,
    or be envious of those who do wrong

    Psalm 37:1-8
    Do not fret because of those who are evil
    or be envious of those who do wrong;
    2
    for like the grass they will soon wither,
    like green plants they will soon die away.

    3
    Trust in the Lord and do good;
    dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
    4
    Take delight in the Lord,
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.

    5
    Commit your way to the Lord;
    trust in him and he will do this:
    6
    He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
    your vindication like the noonday sun.

    7
    Be still before the Lord
    and wait patiently for him;
    do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
    when they carry out their wicked schemes.

    8
    Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
    do not fret—it leads only to evil.

    the verse of the day of biblegateway is
    “And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ,”
    Phil 1:9-10

  172. SFDBWV says:

    Just from my perspective the beautiful and heart felt comments Foreverblessed has shared demonstrates how without words the nature of the story of Jesus is diminished.

    If I could imagine just one picture that encapsulates the story of Christ I suppose it would have to be the cross.

    However without some explanation the cross would seem cold and cruel, while the resurrection the following Sunday would show triumph over death, it would still require some words of explanation.

    Even a hula dance requires interpretation, otherwise it is just a dance.

    Continuing in the concept of Mart’s “imagine” I just think that the Word of God was given as is instead of hieroglyphics or in picture form so nothing is really left to “imagine” on our own.

    58 degrees and in spite of my still dealing with flood issues from back on the first of July we are in need of rain with only a half of an inch for the month of September.

    Steve

  173. poohpity says:

    If I am not mistaken which is highly possible in the very first paragraph of this topic one can misunderstand that the Word of God which Mart was speaking of was Jesus. He seemed to be saying if we could just watch the actions of Jesus with no words, no sound nor any closed captioning wouldn’t it be helpful for those who do not know their bible to understand His demeanor, miracles, execution and resurrection.

    It may even clear up for those who have read the bible and make it more understandable the heart of Jesus by His actions rather than being able to twist the words to say what one wants them to say. Understanding the heart of God in our finite way can change how we see many things.

    When forever shared Psalm 37 it is verse 4 that many seem to gloss over but it is actually that that is the heart of our prayers and existence. Delighting in the Lord. Some may shut out words but the actions of Jesus would seem to draw anyone closer to Him even those well versed in the bible.

    When I see love in action it brings a warm feeling all over me whether I know the names of the people involved or not, or what country they are in or any other surrounding circumstance. The actions themselves seems to point out the words, “Faith without deeds is dead.” which seems to be what the meaning is behind “work out your salvation”. Why continue to act like we have never been saved?

  174. jeff1 says:

    I think sin is the reason because even a wrong thought never mind a wrong action tells me how far I am from God’s ways and then there is living in a fallen world and what that entails.

    It takes continually bringing my sins and burdens to God and receiving His grace and mercy.

    God does not expect us to feel a warm feeling all the time as He knows we have tribulation and doesn’t put them expectations on us and so we should not put them on each other to my way of thinking.

    Some people see very little of love in action and I know this from living in a country where hatred and violence was the norm and not only political and religious violence but abuse of children in homes where those responsible for their care where abusing them and yet claimed allegiance to God.

    I have no idea what is going on in the world as words and actions can be deceptive or so I am learning which is why my faith in Jesus is never more imperative.

  175. Beloved says:

    Amen Viv. Not only words and actions but I might add feelings also- which are produced by broken minds hearts and spirits since the Garden. Christ alone can give the true words actions and feelings as He is perfect and the One who created us- in His image. I must look to my creator for what is true honest just lovely and pure.

  176. poohpity says:

    I said nothing about God expecting us to feel anything or expecting anyone else or myself to feel anything. I simply said when I see someone acting out in love “I” get this warm feeling that comes over me, frankly what it does to anyone else is not my business that is just my experience. It brings a smile to face and warmth to my heart to see others acting in love like I said before that is just me and my response to what I see and it can also happen to me when I hear loving words that are real, honest and from the heart as well.

  177. Beloved says:

    Thanks for sharing how YOU feel pooh. Sounds like an enjoyable experience, I can see Jesus smiling! We all probably have had similar experiences. Through Christ all good things are possible!

  178. jeff1 says:

    It is such experiences that gives us hope and joy in the midst of troubles and sorrows which consequently strengthens our resolve to continue our faith with love and understanding.

    When we share both our joys and our sorrows we bond together bearing each others burdens which creates a community of togetherness rather than feeling isolated from each other.

    Our Rector has five churches and though they are small communities they do just that and all benefit as they are active in providing pastoral and social activities which enhances the quality of life for all.

    United we stand, divided we fall.

  179. Beloved says:

    Mart said:

    Who among us would have believed that the Lion of the tribe of Judah, would turn out to be the Lamb of God— whose consuming fire is a self-sacrificing Spirit of humility and love— for all?

    I certainly would not have believed it, but for the revelation God gave to me when I was invited to accept Christ’s atonement for myself. He opened my eyes, ears and heart to a world of possibilities I could not have imagined. Lion, consuming fire, both sound hard harsh and all too familiar in our world. It’s taken me a while to see it for what it really is, a love that does transcend human thoughts ideologies and attempts at self-satisfaction.

    LORD Jesus open my eyes ears and heart to fearlessly receive more of You. Amen

  180. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    Pray all is well in your lives. Have been enjoying reading your comments like I enjoy eating a small (veggie) pizza pie that I buy from an Italian restaurant in my neighborhood! Think I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating… I have a healthy envy of all of my retired friends on this blog (sigh)! Even now, as I type this comment, I would welcome a nap but I’m *willing* myself to stay awake so I can chat with you all. beloved, thank you for thinking about me a few days ago. I know I’m not only in your thoughts, but you voiced your thoughts (forever did too when she referenced something I said in a previous comment). Steve, I also hope you got a good report re: your doctor’s visit when you and Matt went to Morgantown. Am also curious about whether or not your meal at Wendy’s was good.
    I would share some more thoughts on the blog topic if I had the energy to think on a higher level right now. Had a busy day today, and I had to get gas and groceries after I got off work. You’re in my thoughts, Steve… Will be praying for you re: the drought and flooding situation in your neck of the woods. Do you need prayer re: anything specifically? Well, getting ready to read a little bit before I turn in for the night. My dinner tonight was spicy potato chips, a small grape fruit, honey roasted cashews and water. Didn’t want to use my energy to heat food up.

    87 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  181. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Regina, may God bless you, and your students. And may God bless Steve, Maat, and Glenna, may her head be healed.

    About praising God:

    Today in the big church of our town, Psalm 146 is being read.

    Praise the Lord, o my soul.

    The Psalmist exorts his own soul to praise God. He said to his own soul: You praise God.

    It apparantly did not spring up within himself by itself. He had to make himself do it.

    That is something to take to heart, this morning, when the weather is too wet, and grey.

    Last week somebody noticed that there is a parable in the old testament.

    Theparable about the trees.

    Abimelech was made king of Israel, before Saul that was, Judges 9:16

    None of the trees want to be made king. Every tree has his own reasons not to be.

    Judges 9:14-15 Finally all the trees said to the thorn-bush, “Come and be our king”

    v15 The thornbush said to the trees:’If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, then let fire come out of the thorn-bush and consume hte cedars of Lebanon!’

    I had forgotten about that story, but found it very appropriate to this time. Parties that do not want to reign together, parties that see each other as enemies, and do not make compromises to rule the country, and then a thorn-bush is ruling them.

    Jotham cries out to the Israelites:

    If you have acted honourably and in good faith towards Jeub-Baal (Gideon) and his family today, mau Abimelech be your joy. BUt if not, let fire come out of Abimelech and consume you. Judges 9:19-20

    Jeff, think of this, the people had killed 70 sons of Gideon, only this Jotham, the youngest escaped. And this Jotham had this prophecy for the Israelites.

    It ended like this:

    Judges 9:54-57

    Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can’t say, ‘A woman killed him.’” So his servant ran him through, and he died. 55 When the Israelites saw that Abimelek was dead, they went home.

    56 Thus God repaid the wickedness that Abimelek had done to his father by murdering his seventy brothers. 57 God also made the people of Shechem pay for all their wickedness. The curse of Jotham son of Jerub-Baal came on them.

    This reminds me of Psalm 146:3-4

    Do not put your trust in princes,
    in human beings, who cannot save.
    4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
    on that very day their plans come to nothing.

    And even ore so:

    Psalm 146:5-10

    Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob,
    whose hope is in the Lord their God.

    6 He is the Maker of heaven and earth,
    the sea, and everything in them—
    he remains faithful forever.
    7 He upholds the cause of the oppressed
    and gives food to the hungry.
    The Lord sets prisoners free,
    8 the Lord gives sight to the blind,
    the Lord lifts up those who are bowed down,
    the Lord loves the righteous.
    9 The Lord watches over the foreigner
    and sustains the fatherless and the widow,
    but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.

    10 The Lord reigns forever,
    your God, O Zion, for all generations.

    Praise the Lord.

    The Israelites had to learn the hard way in Jotham’s time, son of Gideon.

    What suprises me is that God uses extremes means in setting Israel straight again:

    Judges 9:22-25

    After Abimelek had governed Israel three years, 23 God stirred up animosity between Abimelek and the citizens of Shechem so that they acted treacherously against Abimelek. 24 God did this in order that the crime against Jerub-Baal’s seventy sons, the shedding of their blood, might be avenged on their brother Abimelek and on the citizens of Shechem, who had helped him murder his brothers. 25 In opposition to him these citizens of Shechem set men on the hilltops to ambush and rob everyone who passed by, and this was reported to Abimelek.

    In the hebrew it is said: God sent a spirit of ill-will. In the KingJames it is written as

    “Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:”

    See Jeff:

    “God did this in order that the crime against Jerub-Baal’s 70 sons, the shedding of their blood, might be avnged on their brother Abimelech, who had helped him murder his brothers” Judges 9:24

    All sins crimes that are not confessed, they will be repaid.

    Be sure of that, but Paul advises us to leave all revenge to God. Rom 12:17-21

    God wants people to repent. Rather than have them paid back with blood.

    It is the Blood of the Son that covers all sins, when we confess our sins, in Jesus’ Name they are covered under the blood of Christ.

  182. jeff1 says:

    Who among us would have believed that the Lion of the tribe of Judah, would turn out to be the Lamb of God— whose consuming fire is a self-sacrificing Spirit of humility and love— for all?

    If it stretches the imagination of myself who has been seeking God since childhood then perhaps it is not so surprising that God is still misunderstood among many.

    Religions have played a primary role in many peoples lives in representing God to them.

    It seems to me that all too often those religions are more concerned with winning people to their purpose and the truth of the Gospel gets lost in the process.

    If we are moving away from God today it is the fault of those who represent Him because as someone who was brought up in a country steeped in religion I see all too well the failings of it.

    Hindsight as taught me but if I had listened to my dad I would not have got caught up in a religious war that benefits no one other than those who yield power from it.

    I see God today in a very different light because He is a ‘very different light’ which because of my dad’s example I embrace with bewilderment as to why He should choose me when I have done nothing of significance and have often doubted, complained and run from Him when my expectations were not met.

    I am silenced today in His presence as sometimes their are no words to explain when my faith has become reality.

    Great Is Thy Faithfulness

    Great is Thy Faithfulness, O God my Father
    There is no shadow of turning with Thee
    Thou changes not, Thy compassions, they fail not
    As Thou hast been, Thou forever will be

    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth
    And Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide
    Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow
    Blessings all amine, with ten thousand beside

    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Great is Thy Faithfulness
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

    And all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me

  183. SFDBWV says:

    Hello and good morning to you Regina. Thank you for your concern and offer of prayers. I believe intercessory prayer is always a pleasing sacrifice to our Lord.

    I live in a very small town atop the Appalachian Mt chain and the closest thing to a small city would be Oakland MD, about 15 miles away, where there are a BK, a DQ, and a McD’s, but no Wendy’s so anytime I have to go and see my specialist’s at Mon General Hospital in Morgantown Matthew likes to go and eat at Wendy’s.

    He has so little of a life that I try always to give him whatever it is I can in order to give him a reason to smile.

    Back in April of 2012 I had a mild heart attack and so ended up with 4 stints in 3 arteries and a cardiologist and in May of this year I developed an infection that continues to hang around. My cardiologist wants to do another heart catheter and possibly more stints, but that has to wait until the infection clears up.

    So it is back and forth to Morgantown WV every so often.

    I see you are a little jealous of we retiree’s. When I was working I never considered retiring at all, at least until I was made to. It used to be a little joke between me and a friend John Mitchel with whom I worked in the coal mines with.

    He would ask me when I was planning on retiring from the mines and I would say, “Ah h— John I will keep working until they carry me out of here one day and laugh.”

    John would say, “Oh no Stevie you want to get out at 55, that’s what I’m going to do.”

    John was at the time 51 and I in my mid 40’s.

    One night (we worked the 2nd shift) John had an embolism in his lung and died very quickly right there underground in that cold wet dirty coal mine.

    By the time the mine had been sold and shut down I was 50 and had enough time to secure a retirement, so instead of following coal mining at another mine I went to Winchester VA and obtained a job in a corporate owned pasta plant where we made spaghetti, lasagna, noodles and the like as a plant electrician.

    The difference was like night and day, I had never had such an easy nor safer work environment in my entire working life.

    At 50 retiring was going to be a long way off.

    Then in June of 99 Matt wrecked and ended up with traumatic brain injury requiring being cared for, for nearly every need and in September of 99 his mother my wife of 33 years discovered she had non-Hutchins lymphoma.

    I had to quit working in order to take care of them, she died the following October one year later.

    I had worked full time since 17 years old and even at one time had 2 full time jobs and did side work where available in order to take care of my family and here we were with no income at all.

    Matt worked with me at Hershey’s Pasta and they had an insurance policy that paid him his salary for 1 year and then diminished to 30% and then again after permanent social security kicked in. It became our only income.

    The people here in our little town had fund raisers at our churches and at the local bank and they gave us over 6 thousand dollars.

    That saved us financially until such time as Rita died and her insurance money and my being able to collect her Social Security secured for us a way to continue on.

    When I reached 55 I took my retirement from the mines and when I reached 62 I took my own Social Security.

    Whereas I never intended on retiring, life had a different plan for me and God seen to our needs and continues to, to this very day.

    I didn’t intend on getting into all this when I sat down to write to you this morning, but I have come to learn that someone reading this needed to hear it.

    How God not only carries us through the storms of our lives, but “prepares us a table in the presence of our enemies.”

    My prayers also for you Regina and all here who read these words.

    55 degrees under a starry sky.

    Steve

  184. jeff1 says:

    “Life Is A River”

    As I went out walking, on a fine summer day
    Through hills and the valleys, I soon lost my way
    ‘Till I came to an old man, kneeling down by a stream
    Gazing into the water, like he was lost in a dream

    In his hand was a picture, he clung to for life
    His eyes filled with tears, as he tried not to cry
    He looked to the heaven’s and started to pray
    In the quiet country silence, I could hear the man say

    Life is a river, I’ll go with the flow
    And where it will take me, the Lord only knows
    I miss you sweetheart, your kindness and love
    But I know one day, we’ll sail away on God’s ocean above

    He said now young man, your a stranger to me
    Could I bother you kindly, for your company
    Today I am thinking, of a time long ago
    And I need to tell someone, of a girl I loved so

    It’s forty two years today, since Rose took my hand
    And proudly I lived life, her husband her man
    ‘Till only last week son, God took her away
    As I kissed her softly, these words she did say

    Life is a river, I’ll go with the flow
    And where it will take me, the Lord only knows
    I miss you sweetheart, your kindness and love
    But I know one day, we’ll sail away on God’s ocean above

    And with that the old man, sent me on my way
    And sat by the water, I’ll kneel for the day
    I look at the river, starting out on it’s life
    It’s where I’ve been close to, my beautiful wife

  185. poohpity says:

    forever, Please do not take offense but if you read Judges 8 and then 9 you will see that the verses you gave were not a parable but an analogy of the true son’s of Gideon compared the one that was born to his slave who came from Shechem. So Abimelech was the not first king of Israel but of Shechem only which is where his mother came from they were his relatives represented by the thorn bush. Gideon refused the to be a king although they made every attempt to make him such because he said that God was the true King of Israel.

  186. poohpity says:

    But that is a very good story that represents even back then that shows even God’s own wanted what all the surrounding nations had rather than having God first and foremost in their lives. It seems still to this day people want what they see around them to rule over them rather than following after the Lord. Everything seems more important than a relationship with God who can satisfy all our deep needs for a healthy and peaceful life.

  187. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I like the song life is a river as I feel it speaks of what you wrote about and how life often takes us on detours and places we had not thought about or planned for.

    The more I live the more I see that life is very much in God’s hands and that gives me peace today in a world of uncertainty or at least that is how the world seems to me but I have since learned that it is just my perspective and the world could be a very different place to what I envisage.

    I live in a town but was reared in a village (country life) and the nearest city to me would me Londonderry/Derry which is 34 miles away.

    Where I live there is a McD and KFC and I love how you take care of Matthew as it reminds me of how my dad always took care of me.

    Family is very important in my country and we cherish them and I can see that you do too Steve.

    God be with you and yours always.

  188. Beloved says:

    Good morning all, I really enjoyed the testimonies to God’s provision and grace this morning. Thank you all for sharing! I have a prayer request- I am finally seeing a Dermatologist today after waiting 6 weeks to get in about some troubling skin growths. Just knowing others are praying will be very comforting.

  189. jeff1 says:

    I pray that they are nothing more than that Beloved and that you have a friend to accompany you on your tests.

  190. Beloved says:

    Thank you Viv. My 2 closest friends both died in March, so I’m learning to go it alone until God sees fit to bless me with another. It has drawn me closer to Him though.

  191. Beloved says:

    Happy and relieved to report no problem! Thank you Jesus for another good day!

  192. jeff1 says:

    I am sorry to hear that Beloved but it is good to hear you have drawn closer to God as He is the greatest comfort there is so hold on to that truth.

  193. jeff1 says:

    So glad to hear.

  194. poohpity says:

    Read the story of the woman who wrote this poem that is now a song, “Just As I am”;

    Just as I am, without one plea
    But that Thy blood was shed for me
    And that Thou bid’st me come to Thee
    O Lamb of God, I come! I come

    Just as I am, though tossed about
    With many a conflict, many a doubt
    Fighting and fears within without
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come

    Just as I am, and waiting not
    to rid my soul of one dark blot
    to thee whose blood can cleanse each spot
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come

    Just as I am, poor, wretched, blind
    Sight, riches, healing of the mind
    Yea, all I need, in Thee to find
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    Just as I am, Thou wilt receive
    Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve
    Because Thy promise I believe
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come

    Because Thy promise I believe
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come

  195. poohpity says:

    Her name is Charlotte Elliott in 1835

  196. foreverblessed says:

    God bless you Pooh, very very much.

    Thanks be to God, that the outcome is good of your check, Beloved.
    Plaese pray for my friend who has a negative outcome from her check last Monday. There is another bad spot, that has to be taken out by a skilled surgeon, in her colon. She is doing fine, but at night it is a roller coaster, she says.
    It is hard to say to somebody: Stay in the rest of Christ, if you have been diagnosrd with this kind of disaese, now coming back again and again.
    SO the only thing we can do is pray with her: Dear God,please be with her. And if You want it, please let her stay here for a while onger, as she is meeting so many people her ein the city that have left you, that she may be the person thrpough whom you bring back these people to you.

    Her sister had been praying for her, when she had left God. And in this city she found God again, by contact with different kinds of christians, who just by their humble walk had won her over to the christian faith again.

    Humble Jesus.

    Jesus, this topic is about a movie without words. AS words can be misinterpreted. But actions of Jesus are open to be viewed. Is that the way, we walk in the city.
    THe part of healing people at the spot, is a little thing to consider. But healing in the heart, the Light of the Gospel of Jesus, that starts to butn in a persons heart, that is still happening today.

  197. foreverblessed says:

    One reference of Shechem in the New Testament,

    Acts 7:16

    Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money.

    And this last bible verse is so weird. Did Stephan not really remember accurately what happened in Genesis? As it was written in Gen 33:18-20 that Jacob had bought the field, and that Abraham had bought a cave at Machpelah. Gen 23:1-20

    The commentaries say it is also curious, as Shechem at that time was part of Samariah, which the Jews hated.

    It looks like a mistake.

    What is the sense of it?

    But does it make the main message of Stephan any less:

    That God:

    8 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:

    49 “‘Heaven is my throne,
    and the earth is my footstool.
    What kind of house will you build for me?
    says the Lord.
    Or where will my resting place be?
    50 Has not my hand made all these things?’[l]

    51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— 53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.”

    Acts 7:48-53

    On discover the word, is now a series on the impact of places. That places do have a meaning, being mentioned in the bible. I am curious what it means.
    One note that I had read is from Oswald Chambers on Bethel and Ai, January 6.
    THat Abraham pitched his tent there, and from there Oswald gets a sermon on us being always in a mode of worship, while we work, a beautiful sermon, I would say.
    What would the message be from Sechem? What has the Spirit has to say about it?
    That there we ought to chose for God as our sole Ruler.
    None other, but God, and in His Son Jesus, and no human leader, no king over us?

    Just thinking, as a matter of mind training, or is that a wrong word, rather say:imagining…. that word may also be taken wrongly….

    Anyway, Jesus wants to live in our hearts. Can we celebrate the day that Jesus was born in our hearts, in a little manger, humble and small, and yet growing and getting bigger and bigger
    As John the baptist wrote: He must increase, and I must decrease
    What Street often mentions, where is Street? everything allright? May God bless you greatly, and powerfully.

  198. poohpity says:

    Shechem may be similar in the OT and with Stephen that the unrighteous killed the righteous. The OT Abimelech killed his 70 brothers to get rid of those who did follow the Lord by those who did not and isn’t that also what happened to Stephen in the NT?

  199. poohpity says:

    Can you imagine the scene when Jesus was born and the sights of hordes of angels lighting the night sky without words we would not hear their songs of praise. They appeared to the lowliest of the low the shepherds with glorious news which caused them to leave their sheep, their primary bread and butter, to find what the angels spoke of laying in the straw of a manger wrapped in strips of cloth. What a sight that would have been with or without words. I can hardly imagine that scene and what it must of been like. The wonder and majesty of it all would cause anyone to fear but the angels quieted that fear and gave them a peace that surpassed all understanding. Just imagine!

  200. foreverblessed says:

    Imagine!
    Sometimes things happen now that are hard to Imagine, too good to be true.

    This is one of them:
    Yesterday a video appeared of a man in court, somewhere in the US, who talks to a woman who had just been convicted:
    He says forgiving things to her…
    That he wants nothing bad happening to her,
    that he wishes the life in Christ for her,

    Then he asks a question:
    “Can I give her a hug?”

    Silence, he is waiting, that takes quite some time….

    Finally you hear someone giving approval.

    You see him walking out of his seat, opening that door, walking, a woman appears, long blond hair, and they hug.
    For a long time hugging.

    This woman had just been convicted for killing his brother.

  201. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, I am acquainted with the news story you have mentioned, including the background to the trial and conviction of the young female police officer.

    It is interesting that the news story here with courtroom video you have mentioned made no mention of Christ anywhere in his request to the judge to give the police officer a hug. At least on the national news service I watched.

    I guess they cut that part out along with wanting nothing bad happening to her.

    Bad race relations here are often amplified by the liberal news and certainly controlled by those I would consider to be anti-Christian.

    I think that the news media here just wanted to show the black brother of the slain victim to be a better person than the white woman who killed him.

    Sad state of affairs here in the USA as we become more and more divided along racial, political and religious lines.

    Just as Mart alluded to, whereas all of his life he has studied the Bible, he sees little of the Author everywhere around him.

    A sign of the times I suppose.

    Steve

  202. poohpity says:

    forever, I saw that too. The news I watched showed that he did forgive her, asked for a hug and did mention that he hopes she comes to know Christ as well. He showed in actions the forgiveness of Christ even though she was found guilty of murdering his brother. I listen to three news stations, CBN which is the Christian Broadcast News, FOX and Newsy. All three showed the whole thing as well as headlines on a couple of Newspapers like the WSJ. Remarkable wasn’t it? That was one of those times that a warm feeling came washing over me to see someone living out their faith rather than just saying they believe with no actions to show they actually do.

  203. Beloved says:

    USA Today also posted the whole story, to see forgiveness from a believer to a non believer is so awesome! I loved it! Praying Christ will open her eyes and heart to Him.

  204. Beloved says:

    Thinking about loving my neighbor ( as the man did his brothers killer) I was just reading this earlier from the Levitical Laws:

    16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.

    “‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.

    17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.

    18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

    But when we do sin we have a Savior to save us from our just punishment!

  205. Beloved says:

    Steve I agree cynicism abounds today as it did yesterday but in Christ we have our hope! And a whole different worldview.

  206. poohpity says:

    Steve is that what Mart was alluding to or was it he is gaining a better understanding of the “words” “like justice, holiness, righteousness, judgment, father, mother, family, nation, world, all, sin, salvation, and worship.”?

  207. poohpity says:

    forever, on Discover the Word today they talked about Shechem.

  208. street says:

    Imagine seeing in on the Big Screen or in The Book something that causes us to say, “Open our eyes Lord. Open our ears. Open our hearts.”

    Matthew 5:2
    He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,

    i thought this was a very strange phrase in the NASB.
    yet it is when we open our mouths we reveal what is inside of us.

    Matthew 12:34
    You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.

    Luke 1:64
    Immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue set free, and he began to speak, praising God.

    it seems that when people speak the difference can be like day and night.

    Psalm 33 Sing for joy in the Lord, O you righteous ones;
    Praise is becoming to the upright.

  209. street says:

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

  210. Beloved says:

    Oh street good to hear from you! I was just watching the news, several different stations . Phrases like “I always weigh my words” makes me wonder what words are weighed for or against. Imagine a world ruled and reigned by God without interference; one day soon . Let’s all get the Word out of our thoughts and bless a hurting and lost world.

  211. Beloved says:

    Watching the court room scene of the man who forgave his brothers killer I was so touched also watching the guard smoothing her hair in comfort, as the judge cried also. Just think, this man was martyred for the gospel to go out worldwide at a dark time in our country! God still moves.

  212. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All
    Pray all is well in your lives. I was gonna chat with yall last night, but I was just too sleepy to type on my laptop keyboard. forever, thank you for your prayers for me and my students. The Lord knows we need it so very much! You also mentioned something about too much rain and gray days… Was thinking that I’d trade you some gray days for too many sunny days in my neck of the woods, but I need new rain boots! :-) So, guess I’ll keep the sunshine for now. Steve, *thank you* for sharing your testimony of how you became a retiree. You write with such vivid detail… I’m surprised that the Lord didn’t call you to be a writer (Christian fiction/non-fiction) or a teacher. And I know the Lord wants you here–on the earth–for a divine purpose. I believe part of your purpose is to care for Matt and be a witness for the Lord Jesus, but you’re here for other reasons too. Perhaps you’re also here to encourage your brothers/sisters on the BTA blog. I feel like I’m a lot wiser, spiritually and naturally, for having had the opportunity to blog with you (and others) on the BTA blog.

    Beloved, I didn’t get to watch the court case of Amber Guyger (the shooting occurred in my neck of the woods), but that was the number one hot topic at my job. Interestingly, my co-worker just texted me re: Botham John’s brother asking to hug Amber and that the Judge gave Amber her Bible! My co-worker is also a Christian, and we believe that the Bible gift may be the catalyst that will provoke Amber to adopt Jesus Christ as her LORD and Master.

    86 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods… Dinner tonight: Potato chips, pink lady apple, honey roasted almond/cashew nuts — I don’t like to cook.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  213. Beloved says:

    Regina I love to cook! But, when I don’t feel like it like today the local deli has great chicken and cheddar broccoli pasta which I had today. (Pay day, lol).
    One more day then the weekend off I presume? Have a good day in Jesus!

  214. poohpity says:

    Regina, now it seems as if the Judge who gave her a bible has charges being brought up against her for doing so. Gee those who do not understand the 1st amendment go to far at times with a failure to comprehend the establishment clause of it. Bless their hearts.
    ******************************************

    My son took me to get a new phone last Saturday and now I get to make calls with face time boy is that a great new experience.
    ******************************************

    I was thinking that it seems when I was reading the bible that some of the stories seemed so incredible to imagine them happening in real life sometimes they feel like an impossibility and just make believe but when I live out some of the things it says I see that they are actually true. I never felt God pushed me aside in my unbelief but helped to me experience more things to help my faith grow to see, hear and feel the reality of the impossible.

    As John said, “Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.” There are times when what we do have written down is hard for me to grasp and to think that there is way more fills me with curiosity.

    Just as we human beings find some things are hard to imagine or understand the very small glimpse of God’s works one can be sure nothing can contain all that is God. When I pray I say that to God that it is really hard for me to grasp the power, majesty or authority that He has.

    Imagine the scene when Jesus came walking on water to the boat that the disciples were in or when He spoke to the wind and it ceased.

  215. poohpity says:

    Can you imagine the special effects that would be needed to make a Documentary of the life of Jesus?

  216. Beloved says:

    Dear street, I have a question for you. Yesterday a visiting Lutheran pastor gave communion with a short devotional. He read a psalm – can’t remember which one now- but it talked about “the Lord” . Suddenly he interjected, “ This is not talking about Jesus, because Jesus just memorized the scriptures.” I wondered if he is offering communion in the name of the same Jesus I know and love, or am I overreacting? Of course all are allowed to participate who want to. But I’ve questioned myself about whether I should be participating at all here. There are some who are against Jesus that participate. It’s confusing.

    Thank you for reading this.
    Joyce

  217. poohpity says:

    I would have asked if it is not about Jesus then why are you offering Communion since the bread represents His body that He gave willing for our sins and the wine His blood of the new covenant? No Jesus, no communion!

  218. Beloved says:

    You would have.

  219. Beloved says:

    My question was, if he doesn’t acknowledge that the Jesus of the NT was the same God of the old is that just ignorance or? His motives I cannot judge, nor his actions as trained and upheld according to Lutheran evangelical theology- different from Reformed for sure. And Arminian (Pooh). My question is directed to my reformed friend here, street.

  220. poohpity says:

    Well Beloved I should have known it was a lie when you said, “Of course all are allowed to participate who want to.”.

    Lutheran’s believe the same things as many other Christian churches do, I know because all my younger life I went to that denomination in fact I received my confirmation through them and my first Holy Communion. Maybe you just misunderstood him.

    The question you asked did not have anything to do with act of communion and what it signifies. I said nothing about his motives or sit in any type of judgement other than without Jesus there is no communion, period. The reformed church or any church for that matter communion is the same for all without Jesus there would have never been any communion in the first place.

    I do not follow John Calvin or Jacobus Arminius. I am a Bible believing, Christ following, child of God and I go to a non-denominational church.

  221. poohpity says:

    Yes I would say what I say to anyone who is even a Pastor or even the Pope or any other teacher for that matter and I hope when I teach something that is not in line with scripture that they say something to me as well. No one is perfect and we are all students hopefully of the Good Teacher so it is not a personal insult to be corrected, it is a gift for anyone to accept that correction. If we do not accept correction then that means we think we know it all and we don’t.

  222. Beloved says:

    My bad, sorry friends.

  223. street says:

    Yes I would say what I say to anyone who is even a Pastor or even the Pope or any other teacher for that matter and I hope when I teach something that is not in line with scripture that they say something to me as well.

    as i think of this poo, i think of the scribes and pharisees locking horn with the Creator of the universe. when we humbly come to Jesus the confrontation stops. it only stops when we recognize Who He Is. remembering jeremiah, the weeping prophet. thinking of Jesus, Life Word and Conduct in perfect harmony and unity with God the Father.

  224. street says:

    God is the same God of the Old and the New Testament and the God of the Living and the dead. oh Jesus is God.

    as for Communion if there is a doubt about about entering into it with others over doctrine i would stay away from it.
    Communion is to be God Centered, Christ Centered, not man centered. you should be able go to God with these doubts and get them cleared up pretty quickly. may God grace and mercy guard your heart in Christ Jesus.

  225. street says:

    one terrible truth is that some “churchs” Jesus would not be welcome. yet even paul found comfort in that the Gospel still was going out in spite of motives of people, and weather in prison or not. even the gates of hell can not prevail before the grace and mercy of our Lord and Savior Jesus , The Christ. the power of humility,faithfulness, and love of God. credited to saints by faith. remember tomorrow is a gift from God, so is eternal life. it began before the foundation of the world.

  226. street says:

    poo i remind you there are many rabbinical schools of thought. similar to denominations. the way they sometimes fights would make you want to have nothing to do with them as jeff is so much aware of now.

    was having a conversation about fleas and camels the other day. seems some can catch a flea, but miss the camel. the best story to show this was about the paralytic lowered through the roof. be of good cheer your sins are forgiven! What?!?! all of them???????

  227. Beloved says:

    Beloved says:
    October 4, 2019 at 2:10 pm
    You would have.

    My heart was not right when I made this comment, it was provoking. Please forgive me. James is so right about the tongue being a fire, look what I started here. Not good.

    ***********************************
    Thank you for responding street. Christ centered, yes, the truest test and so easy to get off track I am. It is very common up here for most churches to allow anyone who wants to take communion. I don’t know why. Guarding my heart.

  228. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Regina for your kind words and encouragements. Writing does come easy to me as it is easy when you speak from your heart and just be yourself.

    Joyce years ago when telephones first were introduced for use by the public in most cases they were combined or included along with other users so that there were never any real private conversations, it was called a “party line” and anyone on it could listen in on any others conversation.

    Here on BTA anything we say is open for all to read, even if we are speaking to a specific person, so when I write I do so knowing all will read it and that it is not only ok with me, but I actually want all to read whatever I may say openly to all or directed to an individual.

    Whereas I purposely do not read anything pooh writes it is inevitable that when others either quote her or speak to her I end up with a smithering or the gist of what she may be saying.

    Even considering that I don’t specifically want to comment about whatever it is she has said, even that sometimes escapes my desire or ability to.

    “Whew” having said all that, my intention is to say to you that personally I understood your question to street with regards to everyone being welcome to participate in the communion service, not your question to street being open for all to participate in.

    Joyce don’t beat yourself up over the failures of other’s.

    Just be yourself and Christ will shine through.

    I hope I haven’t overstepped my bounds Joyce. It just seemed you may have needed a touch of kindness and reassurance.

    And I wanted you to know why.

    An open comment to all, give praise all day to our Lord and blessings will follow.

    40 degrees and a little foggy.

    Steve

  229. poohpity says:

    street, if you were more familiar with scripture you may read that even Paul corrected Peter. It is fine to correct anyone who spreads false teaching and we are warned to do so.

    **********************************

    I am sorry if sharing about what communion is all about seems to have upset people but it should never upset anyone to know the truth about it. It is never wrong to share the truth either no matter if someone dislikes me or not. That just shows who has your heart, the One who leads us to Christ or the one’s that rely on their own understanding. I will never apologize for sharing God’s word even if people have not learned what that is.

    For anyone not to confront a person of the cloth when s/he says that communion is not about Jesus you may take a look at what it is you actually believe in and examine why you take communion if you ever do.

    There are those who scream the loudest about my behavior that do not attend church, read the bible, listen to worship music, share in communion but fill their minds with all kinds of false teaching, man made philosophies and TV shows from authors other than the 40 who wrote the bible inspired by God to do so.

    If Beloved had said it was not open for discussion I would not have said anything. So it is again my bad behavior, right?

  230. poohpity says:

    If one does not believe that communion is about Jesus, period then maybe you have no business taking communion if you ever do.

    The words and actions of Jesus are as follows; He took some bread and gave thanks to God for it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

    After supper he took another cup of wine and said, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood, which is poured out as a sacrifice for you”.”

    So for anyone to say it is not about Jesus they have no business even sharing communion with anyone which the story was probably a lie to begin with. There is no argument here just the facts.

  231. poohpity says:

    Yet it is me who is in the wrong according to your opinions which frankly have no merit to begin with and it is I who wonder about your relationship with God if you do not even know why you take communion or what it is about.

  232. poohpity says:

    If you do not stand on truth then you will fall for anything!

  233. SFDBWV says:

    A famous old quote goes like this “There is nothing as certain as death or taxes.” I laugh because there is another one that goes like this, “Speak of the devil and up he pops.”

    Need I say more?

    Not along that line anyway.

    Way back when as an adult I first started going to church, the preacher there was retired from the armed service, I never knew which one, as I never ask.

    It quickly became obvious that he only had one sermon, now it was always a call to come to Christ, so his one sermon though rhetorical it was at least a call to come to Christ.

    I didn’t always have the opportunity to attend his Bible study as it was during the evening on a weekday and I worked the evening shift, however one Tuesday evening I did have the chance to go and did.

    It wasn’t what I expected at all, instead of a Bible study it was just another sermon. However I committed a terrible crime by asking a question from him that started a cascade of comments from him that were quite disturbing.

    As he espoused his own personal views about several subjects relevant to our faith he added that his peers at the conference didn’t agree with him on several of his beliefs and as it turned out, neither did I.

    Now though some there did question him, I remained silent as the things he said were not in alignment with my thinking at all.

    Rather than debate with him there in what was supposed to be a Bible study, I did two things.

    After the meeting.

    First I read and re-read the Scripture regarding the debatable issues, prayed about them and called a Catholic Priest in a nearby town so as to hear his views on these subjects.

    I was somewhat surprised that while the Priest agreed with what I had always believed, his concern was for my churches pastor and why he would come to believe as he might.

    In shortening my story, over time I came to the conclusion that my preacher was just simply wrong about what he thought and as for me it really didn’t matter.

    What mattered was what I believed.

    As it always comes down to my relationship with God and God’s with me.

    His belief came about most likely because of his dealing with his own disappointments and struggles with life and him trying to answer for God as why.

    But it wasn’t for me to attempt to correct him, it was about my finding my own answers. And I did.

    I continued attending that particular church for some time, as my worshiping God with other believers wasn’t about scrutinizing the Pastor it was about worshiping God in fellowship with others.

    Hoping that my little story helped someone.

    I haven’t seen a hummingbird now for three days and the Robins finally left the middle of September.

    Steve

  234. Beloved says:

    Steve thanks your kindness is appreciated. I should know better than to open myself up here, but at the same time I know that God uses each other to temper our “ instinctual tendencies” toward being more Christ like. At Bible study the other day a lady known for intellectually driven comment tried hard to get us off Christ and into worldly thinking. After listening to her for years get the study off track I finally spoke up and reminded her it is good to get “out our head sometimes” and some agreed bringing up faith as the more important thing. She became very angry insisting this is how she thinks and another (more new ager) said she has the right to think and say whatever she wants and made me very uncomfortable but I held to Jesus and stood firm as you bring up many times. Our Bible study leader mostly just facilitates having her education in youth ministry/counseling. Even wondering if this is a place I should stay. Maybe Gods will is being done in the turmoil? Guessing it is there and here also.

    As for the question I directed to street I was greatly confused about my communion experience where I live which told me the devil was already in the details but sometimes I just need the support of other believers, that’s all. I live alone for many years and as I said my 2 closest friends and confidants in the LORD just died so needed to ask someone. Well, the tears are here so I’m finished.

  235. Beloved says:

    Pooh you are boastful proud and you love it. You are who you are, trying hard to let you be without getting my head blown off, …so Trumpian like. I’ve been thinking lately that he should just stop talking as he gets himself in deeper. So should you. The sad part is doing dishonor to Jesus by insisting your way is THE only right way to share and live the gospel, using words from scripture for your own gain. (interesting the word atheism just automatically popped up) Either a poltergeist or an angel, Time will tell.

  236. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved.
    I was going to ask you, what Psalm did the preacher talk about?
    Maybe what he said, was just about the Psalm, and not about Jesus not being the Supper?

    Is that possible? Can you find out what Psalm he mentioned, chapter and verse?

    I had posted this before, but it is nowhere…

    Steve, so good to say, that it is about our own walk with Jesus. Of course, in rest in faith in Jesus.
    Even Spurgeon said things I have a hard time with.
    (Predestination thing…. I believe we are predestined to be teh Firstfruits, Jesus is the First of all the firstfruits. But that many ought to follow.)

  237. foreverblessed says:

    Very interesting that the discussion is now about the “Communian”
    I was thinking the past several weeks if I should mention what is happening now in my city.

    As you know I am involved in the oecumenical prayer in my city. (town in US proportians), and a few months ago, a catholic pastor, a woman who was leading the prayer one afternoon, afterwards, as we walked out of the church together, she said this to me:

    “The protestants have to see the Communian as the Roman Catholics do see it, and then there will be real Oecumene.”

    She was saying in fact: You have to adhere to the Roman Catholic view of the Eucharist.(Commnunian)

    That remark was something to chew upon, but I am learning to give all my worries to Jesus, so that is what I did, I layed it at His feet, and wait.

    I personally have been of the opinion, that the One-ness of Christians, is first of all in the heart, each person himself is One with Christ, in faith.

    But the sighn outwards is the Bread and Wine:

    As Paul writes:

    1 Cor 10:17

    “Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.”

    A few weeks ago I got some more information:

    In the southern part of my city there is an area, of what was originally a little town, with two churches, a little protestant church, and a big Catholic church. But through the last couple of 20 years, these two christian communities have grown closer. Even to the point of doing the bread and wine together. (Not on officiallevel, but lay members would attend each other churches, even during communian). The average catholic church member had no difficulty in taking part of the Last Supper in a Protestant church, and vice versa.

    But then a few years ago a new bisshop arrived in our town, and he looked to it, that the official roman catholic church rules are preserved:

    So he forbade the catholic people to attend a protestant “Communion”.

    Praying about it, especially for the Bishhop.

    And praying for myself: That God may open my eyes to what He really meant about the bread and the wine.

    And I take a new look at Jesus instructions:

    Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it,

    and gave it to the disciples, saying:

    Take and eat, this is My Body

    Then He took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying

    “Drink from it, all of you.

    This is My blood of the Covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”

    Matthew 26:26-28

    (I have written this comment on my computer as a document, when I loggin I do not see the comments that are made just now, so maybe I missed some of what any of you have written)

  238. poohpity says:

    Steve that is really rich coming from one abounding in more false teaching than anyone else on here now or has ever been on here and then have the nerve to call me as being in with the devil. Do not walk to fast away from your mirror by projecting how you are onto me.

    Beloved you call me boastful and proud when it is nothing more than being assured in my faith and being a Child of God, so that I am able to speak boldly about the Gospel of Christ.

  239. Beloved says:

    Honestly Forever I was so stunned by his comment that Jesus memorized scripture but they weren’t talking about Him I don’t remember the scripture reference. Doesn’t matter though. His passion and education was in sociology but decided to become a pastor were his words. I knew him from his hiring me at the church- community based local food shelf a few years ago because he said I was a “real” Christian.. Many “Christians” there in title but not by faith in Christ alone. Interesting. And now he’s retired being in his 80’s and visits my building. His wife has dementia and can’t remember what she did that morning but can still play her keyboard as we sing along.

    Forever as far as the division between Catholics and non Catholics goes it is real. I studied and went to a Catholic Church for about a year. It is so Jesus centered I cried at the atmosphere of devotion every time I went, but could not take communion with them which I missed, because they said to become a Christian I’d have to join the church and learn their doctrine. They even said they would annul my marriage. Which I was divorced at the time. Lots of power there.

  240. Beloved says:

    Pooh I’m done conversing with you today, or tomorrow or the next, LORD willing there is a tomorrow.

  241. Beloved says:

    Forever the Catholic view of the communion is called transubstantiation, that the bread and wine actually in reality become the very flesh and blood of Christ. On priest told of treating the wafer as a common cracker and placing a leftover carelessly in his bible, but when he opened it up the next time that the wafer had turned to actual human flesh, which renewed his respect for the Eucharist. I’m not sure what to think of it, but deception and “miracles” occur all the time and more so I think in false religions. Just my opinion. I will stay close to Jesus and let Him sort it all out. Yes.

  242. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, whatever happens, to me, when I hear what others think, for me it is too, a discipline to come back to Jesus, to seek the rest for our souls.
    If I am quite upset about what another says or writes, it is me who has to go back to Jesus, and find shelter.

    Just keep that Rest always first.
    Jesus is our Sabbath Rest.

    When this woman siad this to me: THat I have to see the Eucharsit as the catholics do, I mentioned in myself that I was not shocked.
    But that I could lay the question immeditately to Jesus….
    “Is that what You say to me too?”

    There ame no immediate answer.
    But just inner peace.

    Last Tuesday I had another discussion about the Eucharist, with a catholic woman. A woman who I have been in contact with, and whom I have helped with some troubles, she had had. ANd she was very thankful to me.
    So I was thinking, that is how God workds, first have a relation with another, and so this connection was first established.

    What the essence was that she said to me:

    “Give the Catholics time…
    Time…. for a ritual that they hold very dear for ages, even mnore than thousand years:
    The consecration
    The consecration of the bread and Wine,
    The consecration of the priests.”

    Even when I write this now, I see that this is what God is telling me.

    Wait, leave it in My hands
    Just as I have guided you yourself from certain views you held very dear, thinking it was the real thing out of the bible.
    So I can lead them too.

    This small voice, that is telling me to stay at peace, That this is something that God can handle.

    As for me, I do believe that we get spiritual food when we partake in the bread and wine.

    What it is, I do not know, but that only when we have faith in Jesus that this is happening….

  243. foreverblessed says:

    That was very long for:

    ” I will stay close to Jesus and let Him sort it all out. Yes.”

  244. bratimus says:

    So as I imagine this silent Doc of the life of Christ Jesus, my mind goes to the thought of “Who is the director?, Who is producing it? and Who is Editing it?

    Most documentaries I’ve seen always sway to opinions of the above mentioned.

    I do believe in God’s infinite wisdom, Christ was born, died and raise in the time He was. Could you imagine the chaos and mayhem and confusion if Christ was born in are life time now, in the digital madness of this world.

    Just a thought

    As far as communion goes, it is more of a personal experience, even in a group setting you take for what your belief’s are. If you are uncomfortable about the group setting of it don’t partake, God won’t hold it against you.

    In Christ name

    Bratimus

  245. poohpity says:

    Beloved regarding your 11:14 am comment, Praise God!

  246. street says:

    thinking about corinth and paul’s dealings with the church there. it seems many were walking in the law but not in the Spirit and vs versa. even paul recognized this and had to deal with the speck in his own eye before he could deal with others. as mart alluded too the Bible quoting less and less scripture and greater dependence on the Spirit and Truth. worshipers in Spirit and Truth require New Life. New Life after the death of the old.

    was thinking of living sacrifices this way. Christ alive in me, the old man dead. denying self, taking up my cross daily and following my Lord and Savior. i am beginning to understand everything around me has to do with light and dark, even conversation. when it is gray time to pray. thinking of nehemiah.

  247. Beloved says:

    Street I am all too familiar with wall building. Building a spiritual wall makes complete sense though. Protecting the goodness mercy and grace already received. A stronghold impenetrable!

  248. street says:

    it depends on Who is building, materials, and the strength provided. Jesus is man and God, i sometimes struggle with this arrangement. who is doing the doing? dangerous place to think through with pride.

    not by power, not by might, but by My Spirit Says The LORD.

  249. Beloved says:

    I was thinking of choice here. Choose you this day who you will serve. Prideful servanthood is an oxymoron. Moronic for short. But then the choice is only possible by the grace of God. The joy of the LORD is my strength. He is a shield and buttress to all who believe!

  250. Beloved says:

    The reason I ended my relationship with Catholic church before joining is they could not tell me I was going to heaven because of Christ, knowing all He had done for me on the cross. I knew I was. It was an easy decision.

  251. Beloved says:

    Good talking with you, street.

  252. SFDBWV says:

    Somewhere across time as I have experienced my walk with God so many of the “religious things” I thought important have lost their importance or if you will their luster.

    I am not saying they aren’t important in their time, just that as my time grows longer they fade from being important to me.

    I used to watch several Christian TV programs and was constantly buying books they offered or that I thought I needed.

    I have learned that they were simply stepping stones on my journey to take me where I am.

    Because it is in my nature to fix things, to make things right, to build, to create, and to see all my ducks in a row I have always tried to do all I could to accomplish these things.

    I found that I was, all of my life, fighting against the tide. It caused frustration and a deeper desire to “win”, to try harder, and to work it all out.

    “Come to me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest”

    Yet how can I rest when those I love are hurting or the world around me is in such disarray and so many sick, dying and broken hearted?

    “If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say unto this mountain, remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.”

    There are many things that seem out of my control and not for me to “speak” to as they remain.

    Does that mean it is my fault, because I just don’t have enough faith, or because God hasn’t anointed me to be up to the task, or is it because these things are in place in a hidden purpose of Gods that I must endure in a blind trust of faith regardless of my prayers?

    “Ask anything in my name and I will do it.”

    What is it we expect when we ask Jesus to be Lord of our lives? Why do we become Christian?

    What “thing” do we do that gets us to heaven?

    Is it what we do, or what Jesus did that gets us to heaven?

    What then after accepting Jesus as Lord can we do that undoes His sacrifice?

    “Do this in remembrance of me”

    Is it religious observance or belief that saves us?

    Personally I believe once we give free reign to the Holy Spirit, Jesus in us transforms us. The matter becoming what He does through us, as well as what we do through Him.

    46 degrees and a starry morning.

    Steve

  253. street says:

    Is it religious observance or belief that saves us?

    conduct is an observance.

    what we see is what we do. i remember a cigarette commercial from a long time ago where a father and son are sitting by a tree and the son picks up the pack of cigarettes that the father had just put down, after lighting up.

    this is a relationship of a material world, yet father and son. things change too when you are adopted. when a spirit is changed into a new Spirit. old things pass away.

    was thinking about the word go in the great commission. in teaching, one learns more than the one who is taught. in going the same effect? to make disciples is to be made a disciple. by faith. in teaching and disciplining are you not following some One?

  254. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the go of the great commission. What you said Street, that the disciple is becoming more of a disciple when discipling. Makes me want to rethink what I say and how I say it. Is it truly good news, or is it merely a commentary on what scripture may or may not be meaning to say, as we are discussing on the next topic? Depends on Who or who we are following. And yes it takes adoption. Time will tell. Fruits remain to Gods glory, alone.

  255. Beloved says:

    Ponder the Things of God
    Truth For Life
    DAILY DEVOTIONAL OCTOBER 12, 2019

    Ponder the Things of God
    I will meditate on your precepts.
    Psalm 119:15

    There are times when solitude is better than company, and silence is wiser than speech. We would be better Christians if we were alone more often, waiting on God and gathering through meditation on His Word spiritual strength for service in His kingdom. We ought to ponder the things of God, because that is how we get the real nutriment out of them.

    Truth is something like the cluster of the vine: In order to have wine from it, we must bruise it; we must press and squeeze it many times. The bruiser’s feet must come down joyfully on the bunches or else the juice will not flow; and the grapes must be properly tread or else much of the precious liquid will be wasted. So we must, by meditation, tread the clusters of truth if we desire the wine of consolation from them.

    Our bodies are not supported by merely taking food into the mouth, but the process that really supplies the muscle and the nerve and the sinew and the bone is the process of digestion. It is by digestion that the outward food becomes assimilated with the inner life. Our souls are not nourished merely by listening for a while to this and then to that and then to the other part of divine truth. Hearing, reading, marking, and learning all require inward digesting to complete their usefulness, and the inward digesting of the truth lies mainly in meditating upon it.

    Why is it that some Christians, although they hear many sermons, make only slow advances in the Christian life? Because they neglect their closets and do not thoughtfully meditate on God’s Word. They love the wheat, but they do not grind it; they want the corn, but they will not go out into the fields to gather it; the fruit hangs on the tree, but they will not pluck it; the water flows at their feet, but they will not stoop to drink it.

    Deliver us, O Lord, from such folly, and may this be our resolve this morning: “I will meditate on your precepts.”

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