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Left Unsaid

Have you ever imagined what it might be like to sit down with the Apostle Paul and— with no time constraints—to ask him, “What were you thinking when you wrote: ‘Every part of Scripture is God–breathed and useful one way or another— showing us truth, exposing our rebellion, correcting our mistakes, training us to live God’s way'” (The Message).

Or, better yet, have you wished you had the same amount of time to sit with Jesus and ask him which texts he had in mind when he said to the Bible experts of his day, “You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about.  And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want” (The Message).

In both texts, no matter how they are translated or paraphrased, a lot is left unsaid…

Until we begin to see that, in different but unifying ways, between every line of inspired Scripture, human history, or breaking news—right down to the exhaustive, authoritative story of our own lives— it would not be  misleading or merely wishful thinking to imagine an unwritten footnote or unheard  whisper assuring us—

This is why we —and everyone—need(s) Christ.


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Yes I am exhausted after yesterday’s long day, but I also need this time away from those things; thank you Mart.

    One of the frustrating things in my life is communicating my exact instructions to people. Not just instructions, but sometimes the most seeming simple piece of information.

    I think it is clear as glass, but sometimes when I say “small square cube” they hear “big red ball” (figuratively of course).

    I have come to accept that when I am talking to people sometimes they don’t hear because their minds are somewhere else on something at that time more important to them.

    The same of course can happen to me, I may not hear either for that same reason.

    I think it a human condition we may work at improving, but it still to some degree remains if we are distracted by anything, and I don’t know a bigger distraction than life.

    It seems to me that God created us this way so He has to deal with that same frustration.

    “Look Adam I told you not to eat that apple!” “Yea, but I didn’t think it would make you this mad.”

    “Weren’t you listening?” “Well I guess not, my bad.”

    Yes indeed I need Christ to forgive my human like behavior and for strength, comfort and yes for hope.

    On the personal side of matters apparently the ER doctor Saturday missed seeing a fracture in Matt’s leg. Yesterday the ER doctor found two fractures one in his foot the other in his leg. The leg bone that is fractured is the smaller leg bone the fibula.

    So he has a removable boot to allow him to stand and transfer, but that he can take off while resting in his chair or in bed or when he showers. We will follow up with a visit to a specialist in a few days.

    Life as it is.

    21 degrees and clear.

    Steve

  2. bratimus says:

    Talking to the apostle Paul would be cool might not talk that much tho, maybe just a smile. I wouldn’t have to even ask a question to Jesus I would just get answers.

    In life tho there are some conversation that I walk into, that are not going to have to much meaning in the whole big picture. Usually the other person or persons are directing and producing the conversation. I’m usually trying to get to and do something else and just get caught in the meaningless conversation, and that is frusrating to me I usually don’t get to what I was trying to do.

    So many conversations of the Ecclesiastes of sorts in this world.

    Many prayers for Matthew

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  3. Beloved says:

    Steve I am sorry about Matthews fractures. Praying for speedy healing. Hope the boot helps.

  4. Beloved says:

    I was just reading this in the Message translation last night; it really gave me clarity about the overarching theme of the Bible spoken plainly in today’s language. Nothing important is left unsaid here:
    Romans 2:11-16 The Message (MSG)

    9-11 If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.

    12-13 If you sin without knowing what you’re doing, God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you’re doing, that’s a different story entirely. Merely hearing God’s law is a waste of your time if you don’t do what he commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the difference with God.

    14-16 When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.

  5. poohpity says:

    I would ask Paul while he went away for those three years is that when he came to realize that all the scriptures he knew so well from his training as a Pharisee pointed to Jesus the Messiah? It seems after receiving the Holy Spirit that is when his eyes were opened(scales feel off) and his hard heart became pliable that he became aware. He was finally able to read between the lines.

    I know what it took for me to come to the realization of just how much I needed Jesus which is something I cling to everyday, my continued need until that day I see Him face to face.

  6. Beloved says:

    Amen to that.

  7. bratimus says:

    I had a copy of the version of the Bible “The Message”, the copy I had didn’t have verse numbers. So, you tend to read the whole passage not just verses.

    Sometimes I go to Bible gateway and put on the Audio and listen to “The Message” as I fall asleep to the words of God.

    In Christ Name

    Bratimus

  8. street says:

    was reading the parable of the sheep and goats before i saw the new post. seems to me they were doing it and not talking about it. by faith. they where not even aware they were doing it. seems to me

    35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    Jesus did theses things for His creation and they in turn did it to others. hungry and thirsty, not for sin. stranger to God, the truth and love. naked, cloths of righteousness, by faith. sick, struggling with sin of the past or habits. imprisoned by sin and you visited me. light truth love humility, for the faithful.

    thinking of the parable of the talents they entered the joy of their Master at the end. the joy set before Him. multiplication of fruit, life, true life, a work of God worked out in the son of man.

    seems to me we could sit down with Him.
    one requirement, all your heart.

  9. jeff1 says:

    I’ll Worship Only At The Feet Of Jesus

    I went to visit the shrine of plenty,
    But found it stores all filled with dust,
    I bowed at alters of gold and silver,
    But as I knelt there they turned to rust.

    So I’ll worship only at the feet of Jesus,
    His cup alone, my holy grail,
    There’ll be no other gods before Him,
    Just Jesus only will never fail.

    The call of fortune made me a pilgrim,
    To journey to things promised us,
    But as I climbed the promise faded,
    And wind blew lonely all through the night.

    So I’ll worship only at the feet of Jesus,
    His cup alone, my holy grail,
    There’ll be no other gods before Him,
    Just Jesus only will never fail.

    Just desert dust and empty shadows,
    All promises that turned to lies,
    The gods of earth failed and betrayed me,
    You alone are truth and life.

    So I’ll worship only at the feet of Jesus,
    His cup alone, my holy grail,
    There’ll be no other gods before Him,
    Just Jesus only will never fail.
    Just Jesus only will never fail…

  10. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    May 17, 2019 at 5:18 pm
    Yes that is what you do Joyce, TOXIC and cause problems within the body of Christ here, in your church and in your family as you have shared in the past.

    Oh yes as for your question on addictions I am addicted to nicotine but I do take 5 different meds for palliative care since I am dying. They help improve the quality of life for me.

    SORRY I assumed you were on hospice. The term “Palliative care” was first introduced back in the late 80’s when I did my hospice training so yes, I assumed but not at all in a mean spirited way. I am grateful for your community that helps you! I know you take one day at a time.

  11. Beloved says:

    The Difference Between Palliative Care and Hospice
    Both palliative care and hospice care provide comfort. But palliative care can begin at diagnosis, and at the same time as treatment. Hospice care begins after treatment of the disease is stopped and when it is clear that the person is not going to survive the illness.Jan 14, 2018

  12. Beloved says:

    Sorry, my last two posts were meant to be in response to poohs questioning of me on the last topic. So sorry for the confusion.

  13. Beloved says:

    A Cry of Anguish and Song of Praise

    22 1 My God, my God, why have you abandoned me? Why are you so far away when I groan for help? 2 Every day I call to you, my God, but you do not answer. Every night I lift my voice, but I find no relief. 3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel. 4 Our ancestors trusted in you, and you rescued them. 5 They cried out to you and were saved. They trusted in you and were never disgraced. 6 But I am a worm and not a man. I am scorned and despised by all! 7 Everyone who sees me mocks me. They sneer and shake their heads, saying, 8 “Is this the one who relies on the Lord ? Then let the Lord save him! If the Lord loves him so much, let the Lord rescue him!” 9 Yet you brought me safely from my mother’s womb and led me to trust you at my mother’s breast. 10 I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.

    11 Do not stay so far from me, for trouble is near, and no one else can help me. 12 My enemies surround me like a herd of bulls; fierce bulls of Bashan have hemmed me in! 13 Like lions they open their jaws against me, roaring and tearing into their prey. 14 My life is poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart is like wax, melting within me. 15 My strength has dried up like sunbaked clay. My tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth. You have laid me in the dust and left me for dead. 16 My enemies surround me like a pack of dogs; an evil gang closes in on me. They have pierced my hands and feet. 17 I can count all my bones. My enemies stare at me and gloat. 18 They divide my garments among themselves and throw dice for my clothing. 19 O Lord, do not stay far away! You are my strength; come quickly to my aid! 20 Save me from the sword; spare my precious life from these dogs. 21 Snatch me from the lion’s jaws and from the horns of these wild oxen.

    22 I will proclaim your name to my brothers and sisters. I will praise you among your assembled people. 23 Praise the Lord, all you who fear him! Honor him, all you descendants of Jacob! Show him reverence, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not ignored or belittled the suffering of the needy. He has not turned his back on them, but has listened to their cries for help. 25 I will praise you in the great assembly. I will fulfill my vows in the presence of those who worship you. 26 The poor will eat and be satisfied. All who seek the Lord will praise him. Their hearts will rejoice with everlasting joy. 27 The whole earth will acknowledge the Lord and return to him. All the families of the nations will bow down before him. 28 For royal power belongs to the Lord . He rules all the nations. 29 Let the rich of the earth feast and worship. Bow before him, all who are mortal, all whose lives will end as dust. 30 Our children will also serve him. Future generations will hear about the wonders of the Lord. 31 His righteous acts will be told to those not yet born. They will hear about everything he has done.

  14. poohpity says:

    Wouldn’t it be amazing if in our shared faith that we were brought together in harmony and peace praising God because of His redemptive work? We would be able to disagree without causing divisions and hostility.

    Things that are “Left Unsaid” or fill in the blanks or “reading between the lines” would bring us all to the place of laying prostrate at the foot of the Cross. Looking to God, not each other, to honor Him above all else with our actions, speech and shared love for Him. Since we all need Jesus there would be nothing to divide us if that were the realization of every believer, pride would disappear and our brokenness would be more apparent rather than pointing out the brokenness we find in each other.

    All humanity is in need, the degree is the same! Out of all the people in the world shouldn’t believers with their shared faith know that? But where is the harmony? Does that mean we do not truly know the Lord if we do not have that love for each other?

  15. poohpity says:

    If one has a new life in Christ why do we still look so much like the world around us, there seems to be no difference.

    “To Be Like Jesus”

    Love, joy, peace, and patience too
    Grow in those who trust in You
    All who put their hope in Christ
    Kindness, goodness, faithfulness
    Self-control and gentleness
    Live in those who have new life

    I want to be like Jesus
    To walk and talk like Jesus
    I want to live like one who follows Him
    I want to love like Jesus
    To give my all like Jesus
    I want to live like one who follows Him

    I don’t always do what’s right
    Jesus lived a perfect life
    And for sins like mine He died
    Teach me to obey Your Word
    Help me to put others first
    Holy Spirit, change my life

  16. Beloved says:

    You have not because you ask not… asking for love for others seems a reasonable and God glorifying request.

  17. SFDBWV says:

    November 3, 2019
    Messages from the Messiah’s Life: True Character Revealed
    “And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.” (Mark 14:3)

    A few days before Passover, after the Lord Jesus had raised Lazarus from the dead, Jesus returned to Bethany with His close friends. Simon the leper offered his house as a gathering place (John 12:1; Mark 14:3; Matthew 26:6). We are not told who Simon was, but he might have been the only one of the 10 lepers who had been cleansed who actually came back to thank the Lord (Luke 17:17). This supper was a chance for Simon to show his appreciation for the Lord’s ministry.

    Lazarus and his sisters, Mary and Martha, were at the dinner. Martha was serving. She had been gently admonished by Jesus sometime back (Luke 10:41-42), yet she still held to what was familiar to her, giving what she knew to give—her personal service to the Lord.

    Mary, on the other hand, took “a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odor of the ointment. . . . Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him, [said,] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?” (John 12:3-5). This may be a hint of Judas’ family. If he is Simon the leper’s son, then we are shown a huge disparity between the father, now healed, and a bitter son who “was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein” (v. 6).

    Martha, the servant; Mary, the generous disciple; Simon, the grateful host; and Judas, the bitter thief—all followers of the Lord on the surface. One, however, is not present to learn or to fellowship, but to advance his own agenda. HMM III

    I thought I might advance this from my “Days of Praise” as perhaps an example of what Mart is trying to express to us.

    Steve

  18. jeff1 says:

    Live in the promise of all that will be.
    Wait for the day.
    Long for the day.
    Savor the beauty of all we will see.
    Eagerly wait for the day.
    Hold to the hope that will anchor your soul.
    He who has promised is still in control.
    Sing every step with your eyes on the goal.
    Joyfully wait for the day.

    Hope sees the hand of the Lord all around.
    Wait for the day.
    Long for the day.
    You are as free as your faith will allow.
    Eagerly wait for the day.
    Pleasures are passing, and beauty will fade.
    Riches deceive us, and years slip away.
    Only your life in the Lord will remain.
    Joyfully wait for the day.

    Death is the doorway from darkness to light.
    Wait for the day.
    Long for the day.
    Come, drink your fill from the fountain of life.
    Eagerly wait for the day.
    Seeds planted here will have blossomed and grown.
    There in the light we will see, we will know.
    How great His love! Only heaven will show.
    Joyfully wait for the day.

  19. foreverblessed says:

    Until we begin to see that, in different but unifying ways, between every line of inspired Scripture, human history, or breaking news—right down to the exhaustive, authoritative story of our own lives— ”


    Just some news from my area: It is 75 years ago that the south of the Netherlands was freed from the nazis.
    Today there was a concert, 75 years of freedom
    The mass for Peace, by Karl Jenkins.
    Such beautiful music.
    It is Christian Maas music
    A Sanctus, Agnus Dei, Benedictus.
    Joyce, do you know it?
    I felt that in the music, the message was given that the world needs Christ.
    Even these words appeared: lets bring in Christ.
    Lets ring out the old ( the war)
    Lets ring in the new
    The thousand years of peace.

    The underlying truth that everybody needs Christ.
    Thanks Mart

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 22, I was reading it, thanks for giving it, Beloved
    Sorry for using your name, my fault.
    And on Biblehub I was reading the commentaries.
    Such an intense episode, pfff

    In the music from Karl Jenkins, the war is “pictured”
    -as you can say that when it is music you hear-

    And then comes
    Agnus Dei,
    the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
    Sin— also being the attrocities of war

    That is the Gospel, the Good News of the Cross!

  21. Beloved says:

    Forever I don’t mind you using my name. I love love love Agnus Dei! I came to know it through Michael W Smith several years ago! Such reverence, such power! Such hope!! Send chills up my spine just thinking of it! How blessed you are to be part of such a large choir, and how blessed God is by your part in it.

    Yesterday was an awful day with ptsd all over the place. But I remembered that the only hope I have to get through it is with my Savior at my side. Then psalm 22 came to mind, so strongly! I had to post it to lift the mood on here and break the negativity. I cried off an on and through the night. Woke up extra early ( time changed here) so used the extra hours to be with Jesus. I thought I’d be stuck at home, then suddenly just before church started the mood lifted so was able to get to church, and how blessed I was as the pastor is preaching on witnessing our faith, which is quite unusual, actually, but the room was filled so knew God is doing something different here. And the music was about honoring God for who He is which was beautiful.

    Oh He is so good!

  22. foreverblessed says:

    Polish troops liberated this area. The president of Poland was here to celebrate with us.
    The harsh fact for these Polish men was that after the war they could not go home. Their country was occupied by the Russians.

    Poland is a very religious country. Cathlic. And in my country many have left the faith.
    So that is the underlying thought:
    Everybody needs Jesus

    How are they brought to the point of accepting Jesus

  23. foreverblessed says:

    Hallo Beloved
    Then listen to
    Karl Jenkins Mass for Peace, Agnus Dei

    Or the Benedictus.

    This time I was listening, no time to participate, because I had to finish some paintings.
    But Psalm 22 was such a good combination, with this War piece of music.

    But as Corrie ten Boom said:
    How deep life goes, Christ will go deeper.

    As Psalm 22 describes how deep He went.

  24. Beloved says:

    Forever as I saw the many young faces at church today (many teachers and students from the Bible college I want to attend) I thought how each new generation has to learn how to live and move in Christ and learn how to share the gospel to their own generation along with all the children.

    “How are they brought to the point of accepting Jesus”
    One professor/ basketball coach from the state university here shared how he used various kinds of tracts/books which he gave out to students and people he meets in public daily. That he asks them questions about where their spirituality comes from then goes from there- not preaching or telling them they have to do anything but let’s them talk then tells them about Jesus. It was very good. He said many say to him: oh thank you that’s just what I needed today. Or just thank you and take the tract. I need to get more tracts, I used to buy them from ODB years ago. Now I give Bibles mostly as they are so cheap or offer to pray for people. Or listen to them and help which makes people curious about why I’m so helpful which opens up opportunities to tell them about Jesus.

    His sermon was from Matthew 10, about how Jesus causes division and how we must be willing to take that chance and give up everything we hold dear if we are going to follow Him in obedience. Putting Him above all else. I think ultimately it’s the job of the Holy Spirit to bring people to faith. To recognize their need for Him.

  25. Beloved says:

    Error, not want to attend but did attend.

  26. street says:

    1 The oracle of the word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi.

    2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.”

  27. jeff1 says:

    1 Lord, enthroned in heav’nly splendor,
    first-begotten from the dead,
    Thou alone, our strong Defender,
    liftest up Thy people’s head.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    Jesus, true and living Bread!

    2 Prince of Life, for us Thou livest,
    by Thy body souls are healed;
    Prince of Peace, Thy peace Thou livest,
    by Thy blood is pardon sealed.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    Word of God in flesh revealed.

    3 Paschal Lamb! Thine off’ring finished
    once for all when Thou wast slain,
    in its fullness undiminished
    shall forevermore remain.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    Cleansing souls from ev’ry stain.

    4 Great High Priest of our profession,
    through the oil Thou ent’redst in;
    by Thy mighty intercession
    grace and mercy Thou dost win.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    Only sacrifice for sin.

    5 Life-imparting heav’nly Manna,
    stricken Rock, with streaming side,
    heav’n and earth with loud hosanna
    worship Thee, the Lamb who died.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    Ris’n, ascended, glorified!

  28. Beloved says:

    This was so comforting to me this morning. Reading it again tonight I am so grateful for Gods ever present care and healing for the day. From Truth for Life, Spurgeon

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL NOVEMBER 3, 2019

    He Loves to Hear
    Behold, he is praying.
    Acts 9:11

    Prayers are instantly noticed in heaven. The moment Saul began to pray, the Lord heard him. Here is comfort for the distressed but praying soul. When our hearts are broken and we bow in prayer, we are often only able to employ the language of sighs and tears; still our groaning has made all the harps of heaven thrill with music.

    That tear has been caught by God and treasured in the receptacle of heaven. “Put my tears in your bottle”1 implies that they are caught as they flow. The petitioner, whose fears prevent his words, will be well understood by the Most High. He may only look up with misty eye; but “prayer is the falling of a tear.”

    Tears are the diamonds of heaven; sighs are a part of the music of Jehovah’s court and are numbered with “the sublimest strains that reach the majesty on high.” Do not think that your prayer, however weak or trembling, will be unregarded.

    Jacob’s ladder is lofty, but our prayers shall lean upon the Angel of the covenant and so climb its starry rounds.

    Our God not only hears prayer but also loves to hear it.

    He does not forget the cry of the humble. True, He does not regard high looks and lofty words; He does not care for the pomp and pageantry of kings; He does not listen to the drums of war; He does not regard the triumph and pride of man.

    But wherever there is a heart enlarged with sorrow or a lip quivering with agony or a deep groan or a penitential sigh, the heart of Jehovah is open.

    He marks it down in the registry of His memory; He puts our prayers, like rose leaves, between the pages of His book of remembrance, and when at last the volume is opened, there will be a precious fragrance springing from it.

    Faith asks no signal from the skies,
    To show that prayers accepted rise.
    Our Priest is in His holy place,
    And answers from the throne of grace.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    Indeed that is beautiful!

    “You, who dwell in the gardens with friends in attendance,
    let Me hear your voice”
    Song of Solomon 8:13

    I imagine that when I pray, I am in a garden, a heavenly garden, with friends attending to me. Saints in haven, or angels.

    Yesterday I met a woman who I know for over twenty years. She never had time to talk much. A christian in my own village.
    But now she started talking. For 22 years she has heavy migraine, after the birth of her youngest son, it became worse. 2 days every week, even with triptanes.

    She was thinking about the medicine she takes, the specialist wants her to take medicines for epileptic seizures. But she hesitates.
    She told me she had a dream, three people were in her garden, praying for her. It looked like a family, father mother and son.
    She was wondering why they would be doing that? And why a family?

    Some time later God spoke to her: Get some people around you to pray for you.

    She went to here church housegroup, and a woman answered: you have to pray only once.

    That remark was really a downer for her.
    So we talked a while about praying. And about praising God in all circumstances. Singing and thanking Him
    1 Thes 5:16-18, Eph 5:19-20
    She said she had been praising, but it didn’t work. So there I encouraged her to hold fast in praising.

    If anyone of you has a prayer for her, thanks!
    And pray for me that God Will show fellow christians here to stand around her praying.

  30. foreverblessed says:

    Street, you were saying: there must be more to this bible verse:
    Yet, I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau.

    A good verse to know for sure there must be done some reading in between the lines.

    About my question yesterday: how do people accept Jesus?

    Last night God quieted my heart: That is His responsibility.
    As Beloved said: only the Holy Spirit can do that.
    My responsibility is to have my eyes fixed on Jesus.

    Psalm 123:1-4
    A song of ascents
    I lift my eyes to you,
    to you whose throne is in heaven.
    As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of the master,
    as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of a mistress,
    so our eyes look to the Lord our God,
    till He showes us his mercy.
    Have mercy on us, for we have endured much contempt.
    We have endured much ridicule from the proud,
    much contempt from the arrogant.

    – not a good place to stop here, so I add the next song too-
    Psalm 124:1-8

    If the Lord had not been on our side—
    let Israel say—
    2
    if the Lord had not been on our side
    when people attacked us,
    3
    they would have swallowed us alive
    when their anger flared against us;
    4
    the flood would have engulfed us,
    the torrent would have swept over us,
    5
    the raging waters
    would have swept us away.

    6
    Praise be to the Lord,
    who has not let us be torn by their teeth.
    7
    We have escaped like a bird
    from the fowler’s snare;
    the snare has been broken,
    and we have escaped.
    8
    Our help is in the name of the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.
    Psalm

  31. jeff1 says:

    Our God, our Help in ages past,
    our Hope for years to come,
    our Shelter from the stormy blast,
    and our eternal Home.

    2 Under the shadow of Thy throne
    Thy saints have dwelt secure;
    sufficient is Thine arm alone,
    and our defense is sure.

    3 Before the hills in order stood
    or earth received its frame,
    from everlasting Thou art God,
    to endless years the same.

    4 A thousand ages in Thy sight
    are like an ev’ning gone,
    short as the watch that ends the night
    before the rising sun.

    5 Time, like an ever-rolling stream,
    bears all its sons away;
    they fly forgotten, as a dream
    dies at the op’ning day.

    6 Our God, our Help in ages past,
    our Hope for years to come,
    be Thou our Guide while life shall last,
    and our eternal Home!

  32. poohpity says:

    An invitation for the presence of the Holy Spirit to be welcome here.

    There’s nothing worth more, that will ever come close nothing can compare, You’re
    our living hope

    Your Presence Lord
    I’ve tasted and seen, of the sweetest of Loves
    Where my heart becomes free, and my shame is undone

    In Your Presence Lord
    Holy Spirit You are welcome here
    Come flood this place and fill the atmosphere
    Your Glory God is what our hearts long for
    To be overcome by Your Presence Lord

    Let us become more aware of Your Presence
    there’s nothing worth more, that will ever come close nothing can compare, You’re
    our living hope

    Your Presence Lord
    I’ve tasted and seen, of the sweetest of Loves
    Where my heart becomes free, and my shame is undone
    In Your Presence Lord

    Holy Spirit You are welcome here
    Come flood this place and fill the atmosphere
    Your Glory God is what our hearts long for
    To be overcome by Your Presence Lord

    Let us become more aware of Your Presence

    Let us experience the Glory of Your Goodness

  33. Beloved says:

    Such beautiful things you wrote Forever. I liked the thought of praying in a garden with friends; the verse in Hebrews 11 about being “surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses” has been a great encouragement to me also; that those who have gone before are cheering us on in our walk upon the earth. One can feel so alone when friends and family have betrayed us. Those we can “see”.

    So good you could talk with this lady about migraines and encourage her with Jesus. That’s what we are supposed to be doing, encouraging and sharing. The psalms you shared show the whole picture of our lives I think. Pain then hope, always hope.

    Viv that is a perfect song, as usual. Your gift of music and encouragement are so needed.

    Street I pray that if you are in a dark mood that His angels would attend to you also. Poor Esau.

  34. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Esau, God chose Israel and set them apart to show the goodness of God to all nations. Was Esau a pawn in Gods hands? Yes I think so, but God told Abraham he would be the father of all nations/peoples. So have any really been rejected? No! Because of Jesus- the Greatest of Reformers- ALL have an opportunity to be welcome into Gods Kingdom. Bless His Name forever!

  35. Beloved says:

    Lol, Forever I think the one who says “ you only have to pray once” has not suffered much- I heard that saying over here also. Very obscure and based on it showing a lack of faith that one would have to pray twice for the same thing. Unsound doctrine in my opinion based on many many admonitions in scripture to “ pray”. We could list hundreds I’m sure. Prayer as Spurgeon brought up is found not only in words but sighs and groanings which only the Spirit of God can understand.

  36. jeff1 says:

    Lord, life becomes more simple
    When all I seek is You,
    When walking in Your Spirit
    Is all that I pursue,
    When knowing You are with me
    Is all the light I need,
    When all my heart is hungry
    For You to shape and lead.
    Lord, life is filled with beauty
    When I am filled with You,
    When You, so kind and patient,
    Have made me caring, too.
    When I am free to love You
    And look to You alone,
    Then life has found its sunlight,
    And hope has found its home.

    Lord Jesus, Sun of Heaven,
    Its temple and its light,
    Life’s goal and its beginning,
    Love’s length and depth and height;
    Lord, teach my heart to listen
    And rest in simple truth,
    To know life’s sweetest pleasure:
    To know and worship You.

  37. street says:

    Dear beloved, God made Abraham the father of many nation by faith. Two sowers are still in effect , the good sower and the evil sower.

  38. Beloved says:

    Oh yes I see, thank you street. I’d never thought about that. Yes the evil sower is still working, yet when I get my eyes focused on the prince of Peace I forget all about it, We need people like you and Steve and mtmn ( alpha’s) to help us all. Thanks, I appreciate you all so much.

  39. Beloved says:

    Good evening all.

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL NOVEMBER 4, 2019

    Made Perfect in Weakness
    ‘For my power is made perfect in weakness.’
    2 Corinthians 12:9

    A primary qualification for serving God with any amount of success, and for doing God’s work well and triumphantly, is a sense of our own weakness. When God’s warrior marches out to battle, strong in his own might, when he boasts, “I know that I will overcome–my own ability and my self-confidence will be enough for victory,” defeat is staring him in the face.

    God will not enable the man who marches in his own strength. He who reckons on victory by such means has reckoned wrongly, for “not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.”1

    Those who go out to fight, boasting of their ability, will return with their banners trailing in the dust and their armor stained with disgrace. Those who serve God must serve Him in His own way and in His strength, or He will never accept their service.

    Whatever a man does, unaided by divine strength, God can never own. The mere fruits of the earth He casts away; He will only reap corn the seed of which was sown from heaven, watered by grace, and ripened by the sun of divine love.

    God will empty out all that you have before He will put His own into you; He will first clean out your granaries before He will fill them with the finest of wheat.

    The river of God is full of water; but not one drop of it flows from earthly springs. God will have no strength used in His battles but the strength that He Himself imparts.

    Are you mourning over your own weakness? Take courage, for there must be a consciousness of weakness before the Lord will give you victory. Your emptiness is but the preparation for your being filled, and you are being humbled to prepare you for being lifted up.

    When I am weak then am I strong,
    Grace is my shield and Christ my song.

    1) Zechariah 4:6

  40. Beloved says:

    If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

  41. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 1:5-7 Let the wise listen to these proverbs and become even wiser. Let those with understanding receive guidance by exploring the meaning in these proverbs and parables, the words of the wise and their riddles. Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

  42. Beloved says:

    Sometimes though, things are better left “unsaid”. Especially if you are talking to a wall.

  43. foreverblessed says:

    Proverbs 16:20
    Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,
    and blessed is he who trusts in the Lord.
    21 The wise in heart are called discerning,
    and pleasant words promote instruction.
    22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it,
    ..
    23 a wise man’s heart guides his mouth,
    and lips promote instruction ( or makes his lips persuasive)
    24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb,
    sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.

    And then one verse which to me is so profound:
    Better a patient man than a warrior,
    a man who controls his temper than one who takes a city.
    Prov 16:32

    This verse says it is best to overcome in your own soul.
    And Jesus came to say that He has overcome:
    So we live in faith surrendered to Him.

    When I am impatient, I give it to the Cross, and I ask for patience.
    Self control is also a spiritual gift from above.

    And that asking is more than once!

  44. jeff1 says:

    I faced a mountain,
    That I never faced before
    That’s why I’m calling on the Lord
    I know it’s been awhile,
    Lord please hear my prayer
    I need you like I never have before.

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Then whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust your and believe

    Far from you Jesus
    I thought I could control
    Whatever life would throw my way
    But this I will admit
    Has brought me to my knees
    I need you Lord and I’m not ashamed to say

    (Repeat)

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Than whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain x2
    To trust you and believe

  45. poohpity says:

    Does one really think that the application of scripture is for us to throw at another person for them to apply it to their lives or isn’t supposed to be used to apply to the life of the one reading it and no other? It seems to be the Lord’s way of training, guiding, exposing what is in the heart of the one reading it and above all else leading us to the only one who can change us by the work of the Holy Spirit, hopefully the Alpha in our lives.

    When I read, ““If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.” What is “left unsaid” is that could be not just meant to follow the 10 commandments or the other rules but to follow the Lord’s leading everyday as the Holy Spirit directs us for our next step in daily life to do, the good that God has prepared in advance for us.

    So if one is busy thinking that scripture applies to someone else aren’t we in danger of missing what the Lord is saying to the one reading it. It has been been said that scripture is not a window to look at others through but a mirror to look at ourselves and a stairway or an open door to the Kingdom of God.

    There are many place in scripture that things are “left unsaid” or with the help of the Spirit we can “read between the lines” to see the hope and love by grace that God imparts to us.

  46. Beloved says:

    Good morning all!

    This is the day that the LORD has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it! I finished off my morning prayers asking for a fresh infilling of the Spirit that I might be patient and self controlled by God, and that I would receive mercy for the failures that I know I will have because my flesh rises up defiantly and with force at times. Oh the monster within is never quite satisfied with Gods patience and loving kindness. Today I need to avoid at all costs the irritations that I can mindfully avoid. I’m sure there will be enough surprises to keep me on my already sore knees though.

    Forever thanks for starting the day with encouraging words from scripture and Viv as usual with a song we can all relate with.

    In Jesus mighty name, Amen

  47. Beloved says:

    This from Scripture Union today I thought was so good;

    As God’s new-covenant people, we know that Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Our desire to be obedient to him should drive us in all our words and actions—but there will be times when we must stand still and wait to hear the command of the Lord.

    Apply
    How am I going to stand still and see the salvation of the Lord today?

  48. poohpity says:

    Beloved, if the monster within can not be satisfied with God’s patience and loving kindness then who will ever be able to satisfy it?

  49. Beloved says:

    How am I going to stand still and see the salvation of the LORD? By making requests of Him then comes my salvation along with the peace that passes all understanding! Oh He’s so good and faithful! Busy day, see you later.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    Every part of scripture is God breathed.
    In my old fundamentalist church this passage was often used to show that the law of God in the first 5 books were still in force:
    God did not give all these rules and regulations just for Israel.

    So the Sabbath, Sabbath days, clean and unclean foods, etc etc.

    We are humans and these rules are good for us: 6 days work 1 day rest.
    Healthy food, good night rest.

    Taking care of the land, 1 year in 7 the land layed unused, to rest. ( Not trying to get the maximum crop, not going for the maximum profit, but taking care of the soil, that is a very good principle)

    Anyway…
    The Holy Spirit is our guide, and opens our mind.
    But….. each one his own path.

    I do see now that God is walking right beside us. I wanted to be obedient to what God said, but I didn’t get the point of what it is to follow Jesus in faith…. to hear each morning the voice of God:
    To be discipled to listen…
    and quiet all the other voices.

    The way of the oldest son: he keeps all the rules, but gets exhausted, till he is coming to his senses: falls on his knees and cries out to God!

    And lo and behold: God opens his heart to see Jesus!
    The Light, the Bread from heaven, by which we live. We breathe the Spiritual Power that comes through faith in Jesus.

    So why that first Covenant, with all the rules?
    To prepare us for the New Covenant: after having tried so hard following these rules we still failed!
    No reliance on self.
    In New Covenant the promise is that God will do our part if we have total faith in Jesus.

    There is sooo much said in between the lines of 1 Timothy 3:16

    The way of the prodigal son is quite another one.
    After having come to Christ, the chance is they fall back to all thes rules.

    I once read that Henri Nouwen said that many christians go from the stage of oldest son to that of the prodigal son, and vice versa.
    I found that statement helpful!

    The one says: we need rules,
    The other says: we need faith in Jesus.

    See that everyone has his path, as long as we have our eyes on Jesus.
    Or rather: learn to have our eyes on Jesus.

  51. foreverblessed says:

    2 Tim 3:16 (KJV)
    Has much to say in between the lines.

    But I see so has 1 Tim 3:16 (KJV)
    What a profound pasage, the mystery of godliness!

  52. poohpity says:

    Jesus taught in Matthew 23 the difference in living by the letter of the law and the “read between the lines” or “left unsaid” living by the Spirit of the law.

    Those who had the scrolls of Moses and the Prophets did not understand that those writings bared witness to Jesus long before He came. That seems to be the reason that Jesus pointed out, “yet you do not know who I am” to the religious leaders. They did not realize that those words passed down through the centuries were the very words of Salvation and when that Salvation stood right in front of them their desire was to get rid of Him rather than embrace Him and fall at His feet.

    As Paul taught without love, “reading between the lines” and things “left unsaid”, scripture is just meaningless words on a page rather than a mine of precious treasures to be quarried through over a life time.

  53. Beloved says:

    Forever I was just reading in Genesis about the curse and how it came down, yet it will be fully reversed when Christ comes again to set up His kingdom here! Godliness is so hard to attain I think because we are, like the prodigal story caught in the middle of a cycle, I too remember Nouwen talking about that from his book The Prodigal. A good reminder, thanks for that.

    As far as the curse, however, I was thinking also about how Pooh laughed at my statements about the alpha males here and how they blessed me. Then at coffee club yesterday we talked about dances (old time). I mentioned I was never good at doing them because I could not follow; I preferred dancing solitary which was easy in the 50’s 60’s. Another piped up that she also could not “follow”. So what does this have to do with the curse? Reading it carefully I saw that the woman would “desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you”. Isn’t that the truth! To desire to control men! That’s a curse only Jesus can set us free from!! Oh I can see it in so many ways now. Don’t let the curse control us! There is freedom in Christ to obey God and submit to one another; male female slave free all are equal in Christ. My conclusion is, based on scripture , that God made males first women second. And Paul reminds us there is an order to Godly redeemed living that we must follow, or else we are still under law which we will never follow perfectly. Those who scoff at Gods intended plan are digging a grave for themselves that drops into a big lake of fire.

    I pray Pooh repents of her Godlessness.

    Just think if Adam hadn’t listened to his wife how different things would be. But, we’ll see a glorious new heaven and earth eventually. Maybe today?

  54. poohpity says:

    Beloved, well there is that monster again.

  55. poohpity says:

    If we do not “read between the lines” or understand that there are things “left unsaid” what would we do with things like; “I am the bread of life you will never hunger again” or “The water I give you, the living water, you will never thirst again”?

  56. foreverblessed says:

    From 2 Tim 3:16
    To 1 Tim 3:16
    To Gen 3:16 (NIV)

    Dear Beloved, if you look at the ground text, f.i. on biblehub.
    It says:
    Your desire shall be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you

    It does not say: your desire will be to rule over your husband.

    It is quite the contrary.

    The consequence of having our eyes not fixed on Jesus, is that we will look for love, acknowledgement, confirmation to our husband,
    … and the husband looks for fullfilment in his heart to the work he has tot do: thorns and thistles.

    So we get this cycle: the woman has lost sight of Jesus, looks to her man, the man looks to his job, and all get frustrated.

    (I got this from a women’s ministry)

    So the solution is found in the New Covenant:
    Every one has het/his eyes fixed on Jesus:
    And so are filled in their hearts up to the brim.
    Overflowing of love to each other.

    What paradise on earth!

    For love, for peace, for self-control etc.
    Gal 5:22 we look upwards, to Jesus

    Psalm 121:1-2
    I lift up nu eyes to the hills- ( not to my husband, o dear, that was a hard lesson to learn)
    where does my help come from?
    My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.

    Wow, That One, the Alpha and Omega
    The One Who spoke and made everything.

    He is unendless more capabele of helping me than any human is.

  57. foreverblessed says:

    Dominated by Jesus- out of free will,
    Not imposed by Jesus:

    “To believe is to commit. In the area of intellectual learning I commit myself mentally, and reject anything not related to that belief. In the realm of personal belief I commit myself morally to my convictions and refuse to compromise. But in intimate personal belief I commit myself spiritually to Jesus Christ and make a determination to be dominated by Him alone.”
    Utmost of today

    About Martha John 11:26

  58. street says:

    Have you ever imagined what it might be like to sit down with the Apostle Paul and— with no time constraints—to ask him, “What were you thinking when you wrote: ‘Every part of Scripture is God–breathed and useful one way or another— showing us truth, exposing our rebellion, correcting our mistakes, training us to live God’s way’” (The Message).

    28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

    29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

    31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?

    thinking about the confusion of salvation and works. how they are difficult to manage or understand apart from the gospel. they are impossible to manage apart from the gospel of faith in Christ Jesus. the struggle between bothers and sisters seems to be the struggle for clarity, holiness, unity, harmony. not righteousness not justification. it seems that working out your salvation with fear and trembling is intensified when two, who struggle come together. it will increase when two disagree on who has the high ground.

    Jesus said come to me. seems we should be like samual and listen. there will come a time to speak. may we speak correctly as God’s servant job did.

  59. Beloved says:

    Forever we talked about translation difficulties at my OT Bible study today. My point earlier was that my bad attitude comes from the fall- the curse- so I must learn from Him what His will is. Since the verse has many different interpretations depending on your Bible it’s best to read in regard to the rest of what scripture says. But I did take a look at John Gill so posting here:

    Genesis 3:16
    Unto the woman he said
    The woman receives her sentence next to the serpent, and before the man, because she was first and more deeply in the transgression, and was the means of drawing her husband into it.

    I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception,
    or “thy sorrow of thy conception” F1, or rather “of thy pregnancy” F2; since not pain but pleasure is perceived in conception, and besides is a blessing; but this takes in all griefs and sorrows, disorders and pains, from the time of conception or pregnancy, unto the birth; such as a nausea, a loathing of food, dizziness, pains in the head and teeth, faintings and swoonings, danger of miscarriage, and many distresses in such a case; besides the trouble of bearing such a burden, especially when it grows heavy: and when it is said, “I will greatly multiply”, or “multiplying I will multiply” F3, it not only denotes the certainty of it, but the many and great sorrows endured, and the frequent repetitions of them, by often conceiving, bearing, and bringing forth:

    in sorrow shall thou bring forth children,
    sons and daughters, with many severe pangs and sharp pains, which are so very acute, that great tribulations and afflictions are often in Scripture set forth by them: and it is remarked by naturalists F4, that women bring forth their young with more pain than any other creature:

    and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband,
    which some understand of her desire to the use of the marriage bed, as Jarchi, and even notwithstanding her sorrows and pains in child bearing; but rather this is to be understood of her being solely at the will and pleasure of her husband; that whatever she desired should be referred to him, whether she should have her desire or not, or the thing she desired; it should be liable to be controlled by his will, which must determine it, and to which she must be subject, as follows;

    and he shall rule over thee,
    with less kindness and gentleness, with more rigour and strictness: it looks as if before the transgression there was a greater equality between the man and the woman, or man did not exercise the authority over the woman he afterwards did, or the subjection of her to him was more pleasant and agreeable than now it would be; and this was her chastisement, because she did not ask advice of her husband about eating the fruit, but did it of herself, without his will and consent, and tempted him to do the same.

    Keeping in mind this is all a curse from God I say again that I believe Jesus reversed the curse and we now receive blessing from Him as we are obedient today. I can be just as disobedient as anyone yet in this matter of love and compassion toward ALL I’m taking Gods road and becoming submissive to all; in Christ’s name and as He wants for us. If I had a husband this knowledge would surely make him a happy/er man! And if he were a Christian he’d be praising God for the new wife he’d been loving as Christ loved the church. Curse reversed, praise God!

  60. Beloved says:

    Fantastic study on the plagues of Egypt and the hardening of Pharaohs heart. Free will came up also. What did we discover? That many times Pharaoh hardened his own heart ( stubbornness) before God hardened Pharaohs heart to enable him to let go of the Israelites. Gods will. Good stuff. Lesson: stubbornness does not change Gods mind. Thinking it’s best to be stubbornly following God; curse reversal on the ground because of Jesus!!!

  61. Beloved says:

    Here’s my point to understanding the reversal of the curse:

    I Peter5
    3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment such as braided hair or gold jewelry or fine clothes, 4but from the inner disposition of your heart, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. 5For this is how the holy women of the past adorned themselves. They put their hope in God and were subject to their husbands, 6just as Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. And you are her children if you do what is right and refuse to quiver in fear.

    7Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

  62. poohpity says:

    Is it about “your” point Beloved? I do not think so. God’s point seemed to be husbands and wives love your mate as Christ loved you then no one has to worry about who is the Alpha when Christ holds that position.

    forever good points!

    It seems the “left unsaid” in the garden was everybody BLAMED each other and no one took responsibility for disobeying God themselves. Genesis 3:6 says that Adam was right there with Eve when they ate from the tree together.

    Of course blaming others for our own behavior has become part of the human condition which often stops people from being able to repent from their own bad choices and if they do not realize their own part then how on earth will they ever be able to understand the grace that was shown to ALL mankind?

  63. foreverblessed says:

    That is so true!
    The curse is broken through Christ.
    We are no longer under the curse.

    When you look up the Hebrew words of Gen 3:16,
    It does not have the words:
    Your desire will be to rule over your husband.

    But it says:
    Your desire will be for your husband

    I looked up all the translations,
    And the New Living Translation, the ESV and the NET bible have added words that are not in the Hebrew.

    That was my point.

    The NIV, the King James bible have
    much better translations on this verse.

    Sorry Steve, I remember you got tired over this subject, 10 years ago, or around 10 years ago.

    But allright: the curse is crushed under Christ.

    Nobody needs to live under a curse.
    Lets all come to Jesus, Our Savior!

  64. Beloved says:

    Am I reading this wrong?

    “Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”

    Meaning against, right?

  65. Beloved says:

    . The NLT translation makes it more evident: “You will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”

  66. Beloved says:

    Oh boy the flesh dies hard. I know my monster within does :-)

  67. Beloved says:

    But one last time I remind that scripture explains itself. Was Peter misunderstanding Genesis? Was a Paul? Or is scripture outdated and needs to be rethought according to today’s culture? Just questions. Peace all.

  68. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Beloved, you are “reading” that wrongly:
    Especially the NLT translation,
    Allthough you are reading these words allright.

    Because the Hebrew words are not there
    “Control”
    It only says:
    “Your desire will be for your husband”

    So the translaters have added:
    Your desire will be to control your husband.

    Why they did that I wonder?

    You can look it up in biblehub, under “interlinear”

  69. poohpity says:

    If we read between the lines does God want us to try to control others, anyone? Isn’t that called oppression? I believe God asked us to treat others how we would like to be treated and that goes within family as well as outside of that family unit as well. There is no longer slave or free, male or female, gentile or Jew we are all one in Christ Jesus and God shows no favoritism, so should we?

    Didn’t Jesus teach that those who wish to be first must become last or those who wish to lead must become followers first? I can only speak for myself I will not follow anyone who teaches false things and is not willing to learn or is not submissive to the leading of the Lord.

  70. poohpity says:

    Most often when we read the teaching of let’s say Paul for instance we not only read what he said but we also need to find out what was happening in the times that he wrote to get a clearer picture of the things he was writing about. Paul wrote to cultures that believed in female gods and were matriarchal societies where women ruled over men so to bring a balance Paul taught in some of his epistles that the leadership roles in those places needed to change while in other letters the role of females in the church was different they were allowed in leadership roles. But I guess it all comes down to actually putting Christ first, above all else then there will not be divisions in the body of Christ, the church.

  71. Beloved says:

    Dear street, big lesson learned, thank you.

  72. Beloved says:

    Apologies to all- I still get excited when Jesus sets me free from a long held deeply rooted sin. Oh to be free is so so good; as God is good I rejoice in and give Him the glory. Didn’t mean to start an argument at all. Love and peace to the forum family.

  73. Beloved says:

    Argument

    a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
    “there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal”

    Dictionary

  74. Beloved says:

    (I’m truly more of a mystical thinker)

  75. street says:

    “Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”

    there is a similar contrary action in the New testament. it’s where the son tells His Father he will not go into the field and work, but latter regrets telling his Father no. the son working in the field is contrary to his nature, but out of love for his Father goes.

    we know the Son’s rule/love is perfect and we are not. yet we prove our love for Him by keeping His rule. for He is the KING of kings and LORD of lords. as the son goes into the field to work, he must work with tools the strength and faith the LORD provides.

    it is said Jesus learned suffering through obedience….

    i think we learn love through obedience…….

    the innocent, the One who loves, will suffer.

    we are told to count the cost.

    we are told to deny our self and take up “our” cross and follow Jesus daily. Emanuel, before andrew called you I saw you. blessed are those who have not seen and believe. let their hearts be seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

    conformed to the image of His Son.

  76. jeff1 says:

    Here stripped of all but blood and shame,
    The Lord of Lords, Christ crucified!
    Here crowned with thorns and robed with pain,
    The King of Kings, Christ crucified!
    Now hung upon His throne,
    Rejected, cursed, alone,
    In hatred hoisted high
    Against a blackened sky,
    Our dying God, the glorious Son!

    Our Way, our Truth, our Life Divine,
    Our Broken Bread, Christ crucified.
    Our Light, our Door and Living Vine,
    Our Servant King, Christ crucified.
    Our calling now is clear.
    The life we seek is here.
    Our standard is the cross.
    We follow, gain or loss.
    Our goal: to glorify His name.

    All power, riches, wisdom, might
    Be Yours alone, Christ crucified!
    Each burning hope, each heart’s delight
    Is full in You, Christ crucified.
    With all our hearts we sing
    Our Lord, our God, our King!
    We fill our endless days
    With endless lives of praise,
    O Lamb of God, Christ crucified!

  77. street says:

    5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, 6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.

    James 5:14
    Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

    3 Honor widows who are widows indeed; 4 but if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard to their own family and to [a]make some return to their parents; for this is acceptable in the sight of God. 5 Now she who is a widow indeed and who has been left alone, has fixed her hope on God and continues in entreaties and prayers night and day. 6 But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 [b]Prescribe these things as well, so that they may be above reproach. 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    9 A widow is to be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, 10 having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the [c]saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work. 11 But refuse to put younger widows on the list, for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married, 12 thus incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous [d]pledge. 13 At the same time they also learn to be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention. 14 Therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach; 15 for some have already turned aside to follow Satan. 16 If any woman who is a believer has dependent widows, she must assist them and the church must not be burdened, so that it may assist those who are widows indeed.

  78. foreverblessed says:

    “Your desire shall be to your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”

    The word -contrary- is added by english translators.

    Sorry, but to me, that gives a whole different interpretation to that bible verse.

    I find it hard to discuss about a wrong translation.
    And I also add to this that this wrong translation has done a lot of harm about the intention of women, whose husband took it as a threat to their “authority”.

    I do not know in what way Peter has anything to do with this?

  79. foreverblessed says:

    Just to say that it is allright to discuss.
    Discuss and think about it.
    Rethink about it…
    What have I taken for granted…

    I do not have anything against anybody. It is purely interpretation of a certain bible verse, which has done a lot of harm in my old fundamentalistic church.

    And in this case the use of an extra word…
    which was not used by the original author.

  80. Beloved says:

    Ok, since my day is already ruined, can’t drive think or relax I’ve decided to share my own journey out of dysfunctional fundamentalism, perhaps it’s Gods will, I don’t know, but He knows how I hate conflict.

    After my conversion I continued on in my Methodist church for about a year, however I was not growing as the Word of God was not really taught much. Then a lady from the community came to me and asked if I’d experienced Spirit Baptism. (which I’ve since learned everybody receives at baptism) so was invited to the only Baptist church in town where I was baptized in a lake and was nurtured and mentored for several years, until my divorce. Pastor said I needed to stay in the abusive marriage in hopes my husband would be won to Christ, if I looked good in his eyes meaning appearance dress etc. “Act like a pagan because that’s what he’s attracted to”; my pastor told me. Weird yes? Then one day when I was losing my mind I asked him to please ask God what I should do. He said ok, called back 20 minutes later and said God showed him it was ok to leave a spouse who refuses to repent because “God has called us to peace.” I left him and a few months later he asked for a divorce. The next Sunday the pastor from the pulpit said God hated divorce (Malachi) and Christians should not divorce, ever! A women’s leader said I was sinning because I also wanted the divorce after so long suffering. (even though my scars were piling up.)

    I was introduced to a new church in another town, Charismatic, which felt like a giant hospital. There was no condemnation only loving care and concern. I was there about 15 years until God did a healing miracle in me and I was called a liar and maybe healed by Satan!

    When I left there I wandered, trying to find God in a fellowship. But none I tried could satisfy- more mainline impersonal formal types. I decided to go to school, Christian college that was started by Baptist’s, however I soon realized how they had changed to more post modernity and the Gospel was rarely shared or discussed even. I floundered again after 4 years until I discovered the Reformed Church which has truly been a Godsend! They are scripture focused after the Puritan tradition which started in England, actually. In other words, I’ve gone back to scripture alone with the guidance of the Spirit. I feel like I am home now. But, I’ve had a lot of healing to be done, and finally realizing it’s not the “fundamentalists” that ruined me but the sin we ALL carry that ruins us. Fundamentalists and not so fundamentalists. I too went ecumenical for a long time trying to deal with my pain, however that also was not the way of TRUTH I was searching for. If we let others, even a church, define our relationship with God we are in trouble. God is very personal, reading between the lines and having a relationship with Him is key and His written word is consistent even though we disagree on interpretations. This is not as important as loving God, which means putting away sin where we are convicted and receiving forgiveness mercy and ultimately over all grace. God wants to heal not destroy!

    Did my pastor and churches give me bad advice, ungodly shame and hurt me? Yes, but, they just as myself are all prone to sin and my own sins of holding anger and resentment even toward them is what I needed to repent of. Seeing I’m no better than others has helped me a lot. In fact, it was Eves curse that has led me to repent. No matter how you read it, the Spirit of God has confirmed it to me. I am free! Recognizing my sin is so important! It’s between me and God, not anyone else.

    Forever it is only to you I write this. Blessings to you in the Name of our LORD and Savior, Jesus.

  81. poohpity says:

    When one looks to anything or anyone other than Christ for salvation or healing, they will be sorely disappointed. It is the Spirit of God that draws us to Himself and we can find in His words(bible) the words that lead to life. The people that run churches as well as the members are flesh and they profit nothing just as following any human being is. John 6:63

    Looking to the Lord for direction and listening to Him is the only way to go.

  82. jeff1 says:

    Walk with me, Lord! Walk with me!
    Walk with me, Lord! Why don’t you walk with me!
    While I’m on this, this tedious journey,
    I need You, Jesus, to walk with me.

    Be my friend, Lord! Be my friend!
    Be my friend, Lord! Why don’t you be my friend!
    While I’m on this, this tedious journey,
    I need You, Jesus, to be my friend.

    Don’t leave me alone, Lord!
    Don’t leave me alone!
    Don’t leave me alone, Lord!
    Please don’t leave me alone!
    While I’m on this, this tedious journey,
    I need You, Jesus, to walk with me.

    Oh, walk with me Lord
    Walk with me
    Come on and walk with me Lord
    Why don’t you walk with me
    Hey while I walk this this tedious journey
    Lord I need you Jesus yes I need you Lord to walk with me.

  83. Beloved says:

    Matthew 16:24 ESV

    Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

  84. Beloved says:

    God is silent when He wants us to learn how to walk by faith, and not by sight.

  85. street says:

    poo in many respects i said the same thing you did at
    November 7, 2019 at 2:48 pm, a few days ago.

    in many respects it begs the question of why pastors elders teachers and the like?

    thinking with imagination takes us places we don’t normally go or places we need to go. sure, a guide is required… The Word of God and the Spirit of God.

  86. jeff1 says:

    Though passing through this darkened world,
    We’re children of the Light.
    Though pressured and rejected here,
    We’re precious in Your sight.

    Refrain
    We walk below with hearts above,
    The captives of eternal love.
    But by Your Spirit show us how
    To love You fully here and now.

    The fruit of all Your life and love
    Will come to those who reap.
    With joy, my Lord, we gladly sow
    The lives we cannot keep.

    Through pain and sorrow, grief and death
    We more than overcome.
    We fix our eyes on Jesus Christ,
    Your risen, reigning Son!

  87. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the last conversation Peter had with Jesus;

    15When they had finished eating, Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love Me more than these?”

    “Yes, Lord,” he answered, “You know I love You.”

    Jesus replied, “Feed My lambs.”

    16Jesus asked a second time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?”

    “Yes, Lord,” he answered, “You know I love You.”

    Jesus told him, “Shepherd My sheep.”

    17Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?”

    Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time, “Do you love Me?”

    “Lord, You know all things,” he replied. “You know I love You.”

    Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.

    Feed and shepherd the sheep. We all and especially the elders of our churches are commanded to serve.

  88. foreverblessed says:

    the verse of the day of Biblegateway

    But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

    Joshua 24:15 NIV

    undesirable, th words in Hebrew are: if it seems evil to you

    So not the same words are used as in Gen 3:16

    Desire longing

    Dear Beloved, I have nothing to say what the Spirit has given in your own heart: a sin that you were convicted of.

    Everyone has is own walk in life, and the Spirit guides us.

    With Street I agree that God has given teachers, and shepherds.

    That biblepassage you mentioned, Beloved, in John 21:15-19, where Jesus gives the responsibility to Peter to shepherd His sheep, is so good.

    The Basis of the responsibility is: Love for Jesus.

    Do we LOVE JESUS?

    And that comes from us seeing how much Jesus loved us, He was willing to lay down His Life, so that we could be saved. That is quite some Master! A serving Master!

    A prince on a white Horse, that comes to save the princess, the fairy tale that is really true: Jesus Christ saving His Bride.

    This comes back to what was revealed to me, through Gen 3:16: That my longing should be to Jesus first and foremost, and it was not, my longing was more directed to my husband.

    That was my sin.

    A longing of the heart that can only be fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

    The word: Longing that is used in that verse is also used in Song of Solomon 7:10

    “I belong to my Lover,

    and His desire is for me”

    What a wonderful bible verse: Jesus is longing for us. A heart’s desire, to be close to somebody, to have a deep intimate relation.

    Is my deepst longing going out to Jesus, with all my heart , soul and mind, with everything you have search for Jesus, long for Him, The first thing in the morning seek Him.

    And from there we love others, it is an overflow of the love for/from Jesus

    I say love for/from Jesus,
    because Jesus wants to know if we really do love Him.
    He not only loves us, but He wants our full commitment too.
    Three times He asks

  89. poohpity says:

    forever, how many times did Peter deny knowing Jesus? Could it be to restore the heartbreak of Peter in those three times of denial that is what it took.for restoration asking him three times if Peter loved Him?

    street, I did not mean we do not listen to Pastors, teachers or the like but we do so cautiously by testing what they teach or say against God’s word which I believe is why Jesus told us, ““Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” Also in the letters of Paul he taught the very same thing to be careful who we learn from and to test what we hear.

    John also said something similar, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” There are bewares and warnings all throughout the bible about who we listen and learn from.

    There are many excellent teachers and leaders out there that God has blessed and given that gift to we just have to have discernment to able to determine if they are in it for themselves or for the Lord.

  90. jeff1 says:

    It was my dad who used his discernment in warning me against the teachings of a religious leader whom I was following with great zealous believing that he had both God and his country’s interests at heart.

    What is it they say about being once bitten, twice shy.

    My dad was proven to be right but then I see now that my dad not only believed God but he followed His ways hence why his discernment was right.

    It would seem then that discernment is a gift from God.

  91. poohpity says:

    Viv, Yes it is as are all things that help us understand God and reflect Him to those around us. We can not do it ourselves we need God in every area of our lives.

  92. Beloved says:

    Forever I can only read your post but what lovely truths you write about, that Jesus is our first desire, as Jesus said we must put Him first before ALL others. What a blessing opens up as He shines more brightly when the dross (sin) is burned away from my life. My husband once said to me “I think you love God more than me”. He was very jealous having had me under house arrest basically for several years, no money, car or use of the telephone although he did allow my neighbor to drive me to church. God has His ways!!! Thank you so much for sharing/caring with me, may God bless you above and beyond today. Joyce

  93. Beloved says:

    Good morning Pooh, good afternoon Viv!

  94. street says:

    this really caught my attention this morning. thought i would share with you.

    21 But Moses said, “Here I am among six hundred thousand men on foot, and you say, ‘I will give them meat to eat for a whole month!’ 22 Would they have enough if flocks and herds were slaughtered for them? Would they have enough if all the fish in the sea were caught for them?”

    23 The Lord answered Moses, “Is the Lord’s arm too short? Now you will see whether or not what I say will come true for you.”

  95. Beloved says:

    Oh how interesting! My last prayer was for deer hunters just a few minutes ago. Prayers for safety of all including bystanders and that food would be blessed for hunters families and donated to needy.

  96. SFDBWV says:

    Looking to Mart’s thoughts about setting down with Jesus and asking for clearance on Scripture.

    In my deeply humbled opinion whereas I did not set down with Him He took the special time to sooth my spirit and allay my fears by explaining to me many things that I was not allowed to recall, but allowed to remember they all made sense and brought me to a fulfillment with God’s will.

    My responsibility is to believe Him and walk on the water with faith as my solid footing.

    Why do I need to dissect every verse of Scripture using my human understanding as a platform to do so?

    Jesus weds the Church, the Church His bride He died for.

    This is the only example a husband needs to have with regards to his wife.

    Jesus died for His Church, His body of believers He died for.

    This is the only example we need to have regarding each other.

    Being Christian is all about sacrifice.

    Not about knowing more than another, but about sacrificing for another.

    Lots of people have let us all down, my prayer is that I don’t let others down.

    My life example is Scripture exposed. Who is blessed, who fails, how are people used of God, what to expect when in His service.

    The religious experts expressed in Scripture wanted to be seen as knowing Scripture, but failed to see Scripture in the flesh because of their views and desire to be “right”.

    I pray all of your scars are replaced with stars in your crowns.

    Steve

  97. street says:

    thinking about the conversation of the struggle between wife and husband and thinking about the struggle the son had going into the field to work for his father.

    today the struggle of gethsemane comes to mind.

    it’s behooves the wife to understand the husband loves her and it is the time of preparation and waiting.

    God is making her ready and beautiful.

    when she is complete the bride groom will come.

    till then we are called to come to Him.

    when we come to ourselves, bankrupt, we will come to Him.

    does He send you away empty?

    Now you will see whether or not what I say will come true for you.

    oh that the Light would shine out of darkness.

  98. Beloved says:

    A favorite hymn

    Blessed Be Your Name
    In the land that is plentiful
    Where Your streams of abundance flow
    Blessed be Your name

    Blessed Be Your name
    When I’m found in the desert place
    Though I walk through the wilderness
    Blessed Be Your name

    Every blessing You pour out, I’ll
    Turn back to praise
    When the darkness closes in, Lord
    Still I will say
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your name
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your glorious name

    Blessed be Your name
    When the sun’s shining down on me
    When the world’s ‘all as it should be’
    Blessed be Your name
    Blessed be Your name
    On the road marked with suffering
    Though there’s pain in the offering
    Blessed be Your name

    Every blessing You pour out I’ll
    Turn back to praise
    When the darkness closes in, Lord
    Still I will say
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your name
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your glorious name, oh
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your name
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your glorious name

    You give and take away
    You give and take away
    My heart will choose to say
    Lord, blessed be Your name
    God you give and take away
    Oh you give and take away
    My heart will choose to say
    Lord, blessed be Your name
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your name
    Blessed be the name of the Lord
    Blessed be Your glorious name

    Matt Redmond

  99. Beloved says:

    ‘Every part of Scripture is God–breathed and useful one way or another—
    showing us truth,
    exposing our rebellion,
    correcting our mistakes,
    training us to live God’s way’” (The Message).

    All for love of God. To be the glorious bride Jesus went to the cross for. It’s beautiful, so very beautiful.

  100. jeff1 says:

    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow,
    Because He lives, all fear is gone;
    Because I know He holds the future,
    And life is worth the living,
    Just because He lives!

    How sweet to hold a newborn baby,
    And feel the pride and joy he gives;
    But greater still the calm assurance:
    This child can face uncertain days because He Lives!

    Chorus
    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow,
    Because He lives, all fear is gone;
    Because I know He holds the future,
    And life is worth the living,
    Just because He lives!

    And then one day, I’ll cross the river,
    I’ll fight life’s final war with pain;
    And then, as death gives way to victory,
    I’ll see the lights of glory and I’ll know He lives!

    Chorus
    Because He lives, I can face tomorrow,
    Because He lives, all fear is gone;
    Because I know He holds the future,
    And life is worth the living,
    Just because He lives!

  101. poohpity says:

    If all the words of scripture were not that important to read beyond knowing the identity of Christ(the milk) which by the way even the demons knew that then why would God waste our time using them to train us in how to interact with God and others?

    It is similar to learning math we first learn to identify the numbers themselves then we learn how to add and subtract, then the next step is to multiply and divide, then comes fractions, then we learn how to find missing numbers in algebraic equations, then we learn how to find areas in geometric objects but without the very foundation none of the rest will ever make sense. Our learning will produce no results nor will we be able to find any solutions, no growth. Stagnant!

    What better use of time than to get to know the God we say we worship through His own inspired words? In what kind of relationship does one party spend no time getting to the know the other? In what kind of relationship does one party not spend time with the other communicating? If someone loved you enough to die for you wouldn’t you want to know all about that person?

    When a human being is born they are being trained in the basics of survival. They need to be fed, clothed, held and nurtured then we train them to do that for themselves unless you have an over controlling parent then they never learn how to do for themselves because the parent always does for them. Then one comes to a new birth, a spiritual one, and then we have to be trained how to live out that new birth but rather than teaching independence we are trained to be dependent on the source of that new birth. Words matter to God or He would not have given them to us! Our job is to learn how to understand and do them because we have been given faith to grow and mature in those words in a relationship with God and with others.

  102. jeff1 says:

    As we approach Remembrance Sunday we will have Services of Remembrance throughout our churches to honour those who lost their lives believing they where making this world a safer place.

    I will see the faces of those who lost their loved ones in the present troubles here and see their pain and seek God’s comfort for them.

    As I do so I am becoming increasingly aware of the controversies as to why these wars had to happen and the blame game starts.

    It is in listening to the different sides to the stories that a very different picture develops and I see that the history I was taught was very much biased to the beliefs held in my culture but then too I discover the same could be said of the Roman Catholic culture.

    As our Rector is well educated in his history both political and religious I learn that much of what I was taught was anything but the truth but rather a version of the truth that satisfied my naive and uneducated beliefs that those I was voting into power had everyone’s interests at heart.

    It was the propaganda they fed me and I swallowed it because I wanted to believe it just as the Roman Catholics believed what was fed to them.

    The one person in my life who wasn’t swallowing what he was being taught was my dad and I used to wonder how he was so individualistic in his approach to life.

    I will meet people today and they have said to me your father was a highly intelligent man and I realize that in their eyes he was just that while the truth is that he was both focused and obedient to a highly intelligent God.

  103. Beloved says:

    Scripture Union

    “a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth”

    Because of this, Moses enjoys an intimacy with the Lord that is unique. Operating as God’s mouthpiece is a privilege in and of itself, but Moses knows something far closer. He is judged faithful in all that God has given him to do, so God speaks to him plainly and reveals himself more fully than to any other. What verdict would the Lord offer about your attitude? How close is your fellowship with him as a result?

    An intimate walk with God always brings the enmity of the world—and sometimes even that of some of God’s people. Miriam and Aaron, who should be solidly behind their brother Moses, instead oppose him. Their complaint about their sister-in-law (1) hides a covetous heart which brings God’s anger upon them, particularly upon Miriam who seems, by virtue of her name being mentioned first and by the severity of the punishment she suffers, to be the main instigator. Whereas Moses enjoys close fellowship with the Lord, Miriam’s newly acquired leprosy excludes her from the camp—separation from God. Are you ever bitter over the calling God gives to others? If so, ask for forgiveness today.

    That any of us can ever know fellowship with God owes to the finished work of the Lord Jesus. The writer of Hebrews might have had this passage in mind as he compares Moses, “faithful in all God’s house” (7) with Christ “the Son over God’s house” (Heb. 3:6). We must hold fast and rejoice, even to the end.

    Apply
    What do you make of the fact that Jesus himself points us to his humility and gentleness (Matt. 11:29)?

    Closing Prayer
    Lord, we perceive the treacherous waters into which jealousy can lead us, and we pray for grace to avoid it

  104. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Beloved for that devotion.

    Jeff, I pray that reconciliation will come in Ireland.

    Tonight it is 30 years ago that in East Berlin one of the government , at the time that I write this, 8.15 pm, it was at 7 pm that it was announced that people could go out of the country. And before midnight of November 9 the Berlin Wall fell!

    Do you all remember that time? We were watching all of this on tv. It was so exciting, to see the people of east and west Germany were united. Ohh, what a time it will be when we will be united with Jesus, as we had this theme of Bride and Bridegroom.

    The Prince on the White Horse.
    It is a true prophecy, not a fairy tale

  105. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Beloved for that devotion.

    Jeff, I pray that reconciliation will come in Ireland.

    Tonight it is 30 years ago that in East Berlin one of the government , at the time that I write this, 8.20 pm, it was at 7 pm that it was announced that people could go out of the country. And before midnight of November 9 the Berlin Wall fell!

    Do you all remember that time? We were watching all of this on tv. It was so exciting, to see the people of east and west Germany were united. Ohh, what a time it will be when we will be united with Jesus, as we had this theme of Bride and Bridegroom.

    The Prince on the White Horse.
    It is a true prophecy, not a fairy tale

  106. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, sorry
    The notice: invalid email address does niet appear anymore,
    so I thought it was not yet posted…

    I saw a song given by Jeff, Nov 3,
    And changed the words a bit

    Wait for the Lord
    Long for the Lord…

  107. street says:

    Tonight it is 30 years ago that in East Berlin one of the government , at the time that I write this, 8.15 pm, it was at 7 pm that it was announced that people could go out of the country. And before midnight of November 9 the Berlin Wall fell!

    the amazing thing is that the guards at the wall where not told of a change! when so many people showed up they realized they could not stop it. not one shot was fired! the lie had been uncovered and the people became free! incredible ….or should say Glory to God! may they never depart from the freedom that is in Christ Jesus. in other words free from deception. Germany Germany how long have I desired to gather you together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. drink deeply of the waters of life that are free in Christ Jesus.

  108. jeff1 says:

    John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

    Thinking that the peace that Jesus gives allows me to see past the present division and to a future time when His rule will bring a lasting peace.

    “(There’ll Be) Peace In The Valley (For Me)”

    Oh well, I’m tired and so weary
    But I must go alone
    Till the lord comes and calls, calls me away, oh yes
    Well the morning’s so bright
    And the Lamb is the light
    And the night, night is as black as the sea, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

    Well the bear will be gentle
    And the wolves will be tame
    And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh yes
    And the beasts from the wild
    Shall be led by a child
    And I’ll be changed, changed from this creature that I am, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

  109. street says:

    of the increase of His Rule and Peace there will be no end.

  110. jeff1 says:

    Have just watched the Royal British Legion’s Festival of Remembrance 2019.

    It was held in the Royal Albert Hall and this is one of the beautiful hymns performed.

    Eternal Father, strong to save,
    Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
    Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
    Its own appointed limits keep;
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
    For those in peril on the sea!

    O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
    And hushed their raging at Thy word,
    Who walked’st on the foaming deep,
    And calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
    For those in peril on the sea!

    Most Holy Spirit! Who didst brood
    Upon the chaos dark and rude,
    And bid its angry tumult cease,
    And give, for wild confusion, peace;
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
    For those in peril on the sea!

    O Trinity of love and power!
    Our brethren shield in danger’s hour;
    From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
    Protect them wheresoe’er they go;
    Thus evermore shall rise to Thee
    Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.

  111. Beloved says:

    Imagine

    Reading Iain Wrights devotional tonight “God is always better than we can imagine” I am blown away when he says the 10 commandments are indicative of Gods character! Wow, praise God!

  112. Beloved says:

    He cited David’s words, “oh how I love your law, I make it my meditation day and night!”. Psalm 119 is 176 verses about Gods laws and how beautiful they are as they reveal God to us.

  113. Beloved says:

    I think what blows me away is the fact that when I think of a law I don’t think the lawmakers are perfect, just creators/authors. But God! Perfect in every way; Holy Holy Holy!!!

  114. poohpity says:

    Don’t the laws of God keep us from harming if followed to the letter? Didn’t David find out that although he did not follow them to the letter that he found mercy and forgiveness from God? Like in Psalm 51 after the Uriah and Bathsheba thing or Psalm 32. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    If we “read between the lines” or find things “left Unsaid” we know that the character of God has been revealed throughout history. If anyone goes to Him with a heart of repentance and remorse for the things they have done they will find forgiveness, mercy and grace. Once found and accepted then they will be more than excited to also be givers of what they have received which shows the eternal gratitude for what God has done for them.

  115. poohpity says:

    I was thinking if we do not understand the mighty power of God and have a fear of what He is capable of doing then no one would repent of their sin and ask for mercy. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Prov 9:10; Job 28:28; Psalm 111:10

  116. Beloved says:

    Romans7 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

    21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.b 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

  117. Beloved says:

    Personally I don’t fear God because of what he is capable of doing, if you mean destroying or causing harm, but because He is the Ultimate Alpha/Omega who loves me more than I can think or imagine. Following His laws give me a bit of a taste of what He is like- Holy, righteous, full of mercy and just in His dealings. If I read between the lines of scripture I find more than I’d even imagined. With grace poured over and through every crack and crevice. Precious Jesus Father God blessed Holy Spirit how great thou art!

  118. poohpity says:

    Didn’t Jesus teach His followers to fear God? Wasn’t what He taught that people usually say things to gain the approval of people and if it were the approval of God then they would be kind and considerate of others. Wouldn’t it then come to reason without fear of the Lord we would accuse, call names, judge, condemn, criticize others without fear of the repercussions from God who told us not to do those things. So without fear there would be no desire to follow the teachings of the Lord because there would be no consequences for such behaviors or so we think but in the end we know that we will be held responsible for every idle word that flows from our hearts.

    Matt 12: The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure. 36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”…

    So Beloved I can tell you have no fear of the Lord but I would not boast about that.

  119. Beloved says:

    What Does it Mean to Fear God?
    FROM R.C. Sproul Jan 12, 2018 Category: Articles

    We need to make some important distinctions about the biblical meaning of “fearing” God. These distinctions can be helpful, but they can also be a little dangerous. When Luther struggled with that, he made this distinction, which has since become somewhat famous: He distinguished between what he called a servile fear and a filial fear.

    The servile fear is a kind of fear that a prisoner in a torture chamber has for his tormentor, the jailer, or the executioner. It’s that kind of dreadful anxiety in which someone is frightened by the clear and present danger that is represented by another person. Or it’s the kind of fear that a slave would have at the hands of a malicious master who would come with the whip and torment the slave. Servile refers to a posture of servitude toward a malevolent owner.

    Luther distinguished between that and what he called filial fear, drawing from the Latin concept from which we get the idea of family. It refers to the fear that a child has for his father. In this regard, Luther is thinking of a child who has tremendous respect and love for his father or mother and who dearly wants to please them. He has a fear or an anxiety of offending the one he loves, not because he’s afraid of torture or even of punishment, but rather because he’s afraid of displeasing the one who is, in that child’s world, the source of security and love.

    I think this distinction is helpful because the basic meaning of fearing the Lord that we read about in Deuteronomy is also in the Wisdom Literature, where we’re told that “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” The focus here is on a sense of awe and respect for the majesty of God. That’s often lacking in contemporary evangelical Christianity. We get very flippant and cavalier with God, as if we had a casual relationship with the Father. We are invited to call Him Abba, Father, and to have the personal intimacy promised to us, but still we’re not to be flippant with God. We’re always to maintain a healthy respect and adoration for Him.

    One last point: If we really have a healthy adoration for God, we still should have an element of the knowledge that God can be frightening. “It is a frightening thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Heb. 10:31). As sinful people, we have every reason to fear God’s judgment; it is part of our motivation to be reconciled with God.

  120. Beloved says:

    I’m done with this discussion. Off to church now:-)

  121. poohpity says:

    “As sinful people, we have every reason to fear God’s judgment; it is part of our motivation to be reconciled with God.” Isn’t that what I was saying all along in the 9:10am comment?

  122. street says:

    sinners have every reason to fear, be in terror of a Holy God. it is when they discover grace and mercy the terror changes with the heart. the stone is removed and flesh is given.

    to be justified by faith is to understand that you are righteous before God. to struggle with law is to be in the process of sanctification. when justification and sanctification are complete in Christ, Love is born and all the things that go with it. joy peace kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control, not under the control or influence of darkness.

    this new Love is WOW! AHHAA! Reverence!(fear) we are dependent on The True Vine not ourselves. Jesus says, “Come to me you who are weary and I will give you……”

    we tend to come to Him when we come to the end of ourselves. God told something new to moses and he did not believe it. the story of the quail brings that out.
    quail and quarrel
    wail and morn
    grace and mercy will dry the tears.
    10
    Do not move the ancient boundary
    Or go into the fields of the fatherless,
    11
    For their Redeemer is strong;
    He will plead their case against you.
    12
    Apply your heart to discipline
    And your ears to words of knowledge.

  123. Beloved says:

    Gods love and judgement are two topics that alone could take up hours of study -:). My original post last evening was about discovering more of Gods Holy character ‘between the lines’.

  124. jeff1 says:

    From our Service of Remembrance:

    By a monument of marble
    Or a simple wooden cross,
    Here we gather to remember
    Sacrifice and tragic loss.
    Blood red poppy petals flutter,
    Each a symbol for a life,
    Drifting in a crimson curtain
    Shadow of our constant strife

    Solemn silence now surrounds us
    As we stand in memory.
    Why must factions stir up conflict?
    This eternal mystery.
    Troubles hearts and stirs the conscience,
    Urges us to think again;
    Face the curse of confrontation,
    Yet reduce the searing pain.

    For the sound of war still thunders
    Through our planet, on this day.
    Every hours new victims suffer,
    Even as we meet to pray.
    God, we need your help and guidance
    In our constant search for peace.
    Move us on to new solutions
    As we pray that wars may cease.

  125. street says:

    sure we could spend a millennia on the introduction to the love and Holiness of God, not counting other attributes. seems to me the present is more than and intro but a total immersion. as mart said… “pointed out footnote or unheard whisper assuring us—

    This is why we —and everyone—need(s) Christ.”

    don’t come to me. i am your brother, i am not your Bible, come to Jesus. can Jesus be found in me?

    been thinking again. Glory- to think.
    “It may be possible for each to think too much of his own potential glory hereafter; it is hardly possible for him to think too often or too deeply about that of his neighbor. The load, or weight, or burden of my neighbor’s glory should be laid daily on my back, a load so heavy that only humility can carry it, and the backs of the proud will be broken. …

    “It is in light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations — these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit. … Next to the Blessed Sacrament itself, your neighbor is the holiest object presented to your senses.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory

  126. poohpity says:

    As Mart took us on this journey to “Left Unsaid” there was the topic “Implications” in which he highlighted Psalm 130:4 and what it implies. If you think about one who is so powerful yet forgives those less than He is. He seems to have so much strength and power that actually we should fear yet the many times that He gives us chances and even put that power aside to come walk with us as He did with Adam and Eve. That power is still there but it can be used for something other than crushing people or things and can be found in forgiveness, mercy and grace.

  127. street says:

    16 Then those who [t]feared the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who [u]fear the Lord and who esteem His name. 17 “They will be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts, “on the day that I [v]prepare My [w]own possession, and I will [x]spare them as a man [y]spares his own son who serves him.” 18 So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.

    you will be My witness.

    Glory- to think
    to ascribe worth or value

    Jesus- Redeemer, Savior, LORD.

  128. jeff1 says:

    I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
    Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
    The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
    That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
    The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
    The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

    And there’s another country, I’ve heard of long ago,
    Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
    We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
    Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
    And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
    And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

    Almighty God, keep us mindful of all your benefits and heedful of our high calling, that we may yield ourselves in new obedience to your holy will, and live henceforth as those who are not their own, but are bought with a price; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever. Amen.

  129. Beloved says:

    Our high calling=humility.

  130. foreverblessed says:

    11 – 11-
    The day we celebrate the end of World War 1
    may God bless us, and may our countries look for Him
    May all the christians in our countries be united in Jesus Christ, our Savior.

    And also the day of St. Martin.

    2 Cor 5:11

    Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord.—Better, the fear of the Lord. The English word “terror” is unduly strong, and hinders the reader from seeing that what St. Paul speaks of is identical with “the fear of the Lord”—the temper not of slavish dread, but reverential awe, which had been described in the Old Testament as “the beginning of wisdom” (Job 28:28; Psalm 111:10). Tyndale’s and Cranmer’s versions give, “how the Lord is to be feared;” the Rhemish, “fear.” “Terror,” characteristically enough, makes its first appearance in the Geneva version.
    Ellicot’s commentary

    So you see, that reading different translations does not always help, but going back to the original word in Greek,
    it was revedential awe…

    As what Street wrote too,
    unrepentant sinners may fear God in terror.

    I feel revedential awe, not fear of a God who can totally destroy me.

    I feel love for God, the One Who came to rescue me when I felt totally lost and in complete darkness. He was the One who did shine with His Light in my heart.

    I am so much in awe, of that He was capable to do so. A lovely God, a Wonderful Savior.

    Last night I saw a documentary of Lois Theroux,
    The most hated family in the United States, you can read about that on Wikipedia, the man who preaches terror. and “Surviving America’s Most Hated Family”
    Just as in Martin Luther’s time the church was preaching about hell a lot, burning fire, making people afraid, just to keep them on the right path, so they thought.
    Till Luther wanted to preach the message of Grace, of Hope, the Son of God Who came to earth to save us.

    Now, there is one problem, most people do not see that they need to be saved.
    Like the prodigal son, he had to find out how lost he was on his own.

    So we wait, having our eyes on Jesus, and praying for these people that God may in due time shine with His light in their hearts.

    And maybe ask them questions in a friendly manner.
    There was one daughter of the church in Topeka Kansas, that has left that church. And is now giving lectures at universities on how to treat people who are stuck in such strict sects: By staying polite, staying friendly, asking questions, good questions.
    As she told that their came cracks in her belief system by such question on a twitter group. A twitter group around that Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka Kansas.

    Another positive thing Louis saw was that the tone of the church preaching has softened a bit,since the death of the founder.
    It is not as hard as it once was. And that the pastor of that time, Philip Phelps, in his last years had gone to the house of the gay people that stood just opposite the road of that Baptist church, and said to them: “You people are OK”.

    (This church was the one that shouted at the funeral of soldiers that were killed in the Irag war, that this was the wrath of God, because God hates homo people.

    Well, to be sure, I do not think that the wrath of God is like that.

    And sure that I am not preaching about God like that.
    I would like to see it more as Luther did: Jesus came to save the World, not to condemn the world.

  131. jeff1 says:

    God is our refuge and our strength,
    Our ever-present aid;
    And therefore, though the earth gives way,
    We will not be afraid.

    In every land throughout the earth
    He makes all conflict cease;
    He shatters bow and spear and shield,
    And brings his reign of peace.

    Come, see the works the LORD has done –
    The judgements he commands,
    The desolations he has brought
    To pass in many lands.

    Be still, and know that I am God,
    On earth exalted high;
    And all the nations of the world
    My name will glorify.

    The LORD Almighty is with us
    To strengthen and sustain;
    For Jacob’s God our strong defence
    And fortress will remain.

  132. foreverblessed says:

    Reverential awe

    We could sit down with Paul, and ask:
    What were you trying to say there?
    2 Cor 5:11

    But we can sit down and ask God, with due respect:
    What is the Holy Spirit trying to tell me?

    Allthough, I believe I have the answer right here:
    Do I love my husband because out of terror what he would do to me, if I would leave him?
    What a nonsense that seems to me.
    I love him for who he is. And I love to be with him.

    And so it is with God!
    I love Him for Who He is.

    Love God for Who He is, not for what He is doing for us.

    That is a deeper kind of love that God wants us to come into, a deeper level.
    Yesterday we had a sermon about Elijah,
    the second time around he came into a rock
    1 King 19:9

    The first time Elijah was in a cave, God sent ravens to feed him.
    But this time, Elijah was in a cave, and God only showed Himself to Elijah
    powerful wind, but it was not God
    then an earthquake, but it was not God
    then a fire, but also in the fire God was not

    And after the fire there was a gentle whisper

    … and when Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave
    ….

    So from this bible passage I get it that God does not want to terrify us, with His overpowering might to d whatever He wants.

    God appears to Elijah, Steve often talks about that, the still small voice,

    And what does God do?
    He asks a question

    Wow. that is exactly what the twitter group did with the granddaughter of that fire and brimstone preacher.

  133. Beloved says:

    Malachi 4:5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 6 And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction.”

    Turning hearts is Gods business! Doing good is His plan, not destruction. Praise God for sending Jesus our Savior. Yes I’m with you Forever. Are we His because the words on the page says so? Like reading a how-to manual? Or has the Holy Spirit shown us God through our salvation. Words on a blog also show either ignorance or deception. There is much deception but God is greater! His wrath IS stored up for them.

  134. Beloved says:

    I must confront a lie perpetuated by Pooh about me. I must speak of it because it haunts me and troubles me, being sensitive as the enemy knows me to be. But God! He is greater and not only forgives our sins but remembers them no more. Yet the enemy likes to say “ Did God really say you are completely forgiven? Oh those chains people try to put on us! The LORD rebuke as renounce them today!! Because of Jesus, only because of Jesus who died for my sins. How can I refuse such great salvation? And I pray that Pooh would know Jesus according to His will and plan for her life. I pray God would heal her body soul and spirit, and that whatever she writes I would filter through Gods mighty mind and heart. I pray God will give me the grace to know when to speak and when to be silent. Amen, because of Jesus.

  135. street says:

    We could sit down with Paul, and ask:
    What were you trying to say there?
    2 Cor 5:11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your conscience.

    could you be a paul? someone comes to and ask what is the hope within you or what did you mean by what you said?

    2 Cor 5:11 speaks about and audible, what is heard in the ear. it also speaks to the conscience. what is not said is God can speak to the heart. the sower never knows what ground will generate a return, that is up to God. the four soils are info for the one who wishes to follow. a personal account of what is happening and what kind of results that can be expected.

    i call a mom and a woman in christian service a barren woman. no doubt you can imagine she looked at me funny. i reminded her only the barren soil produced fruit. it could have been part sarcasm, joke, or challenge. the intent is to encourage dependence and trust in the LORD of the harvest and His WORD. called out, set aside, sent. the LORD will make you lay down in green pastures. when you are old you will be green and full of sap. think of a deep and lasting hold to the vine. seems to me if i was grafted in, i should expect other to be too. ouch!

  136. Beloved says:

    Spurgeon
    Morning, November 11th, 2019
    “The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.”— Deuteronomy 33:27

    God–the eternal God—is himself our support at all times, and especially when we are sinking in deep trouble.

    There are seasons when the Christian sinks very low in humiliation. Under a deep sense of his great sinfulness, he is humbled before God till he scarcely knows how to pray, because he appears, in his own sight, so worthless.

    Well, child of God, remember that when thou art at thy worst and lowest, yet “underneath” thee “are everlasting arms.” Sin may drag thee ever so low, but Christ’s great atonement is still under all. You may have descended into the deeps, but you cannot have fallen so low as “the uttermost;” and to the uttermost he saves.

  137. poohpity says:

    Beloved, just exactly what is the lie you accuse me of? Just can not stop those jabs can you, that monster within as you call it?

    To all our Veterans on this site THANK YOU for your service to our country!!

  138. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    May 17, 2019 at 5:18 pm
    Yes that is what you do Joyce, TOXIC and cause problems within the body of Christ here, in your church and in your family as you have shared in the past.

    Are you going to deny you said these things??? Nobody is perfect, as was shared in Bible study this morning we are all in the process. Yet you take my victimization I have shared here which is so very much and blame me for it? Monster. You have twisted my words because of your lack of empathy and inability to…. well that’s enough. I said enough and yes I do feel better for it. I don’t expect anything from you. God will judge all. You me and the pope.

  139. Beloved says:

    Spurgeon cont.

    Again, the Christian sometimes sinks very deeply in sore trial from without. Every earthly prop is cut away. What then? Still underneath him are “the everlasting arms.” He cannot fall so deep in distress and affliction but what the covenant grace of an ever-faithful God will still encircle him.

    The Christian may be sinking under trouble from within through fierce conflict, but even then he cannot be brought so low as to be beyond the reach of the “everlasting arms”—they are underneath him; and, while thus sustained, all Satan’s efforts to harm him avail nothing.

    This assurance of support is a comfort to any weary but earnest worker in the service of God. It implies a promise of strength for each day, grace for each need, and power for each duty. And, further, when death comes, the promise shall still hold good.

    When we stand in the midst of Jordan, we shall be able to say with David, “I will fear no evil, for thou art with me.” We shall descend into the grave, but we shall go no lower, for the eternal arms prevent our further fall.

    All through life, and at its close, we shall be upheld by the “everlasting arms”—arms that neither flag nor lose their strength, for “the everlasting God fainteth not, neither is weary.

  140. poohpity says:

    Yep the way you act Beloved is all my fault, right?

  141. jeff1 says:

    From our Service of Remembrance:

    Prayer of Confession

    The sacrifice of God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart God will not despise. Let us come to the Lord, who is full of compassion, and acknowledge our transgressions in penitence and faith:
    Merciful and faithful God, your purpose is to fold both Heaven an dearth in a single peace. With sorrow we confess that in our hearts we keep alive the passion and pride that leads to hatred and war. We confess that we are often unworthy of your mercies towards us or of the sufferings endured and the lives laid down in our defence. We have been forgetful of your love and not worthy of the sacrifices made on our behalf.

    Lord, have mercy,
    Christ, have mercy
    Lord, have mercy.

    Assurance of Pardon

    Almighty God, pardon and deliver us from all our sins, confirm and strengthen us in all goodness and keep us in eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

  142. Beloved says:

    The loving heart of God is stunning; especially when contrasted to a hard heart.

  143. poohpity says:

    For you Beloved

    O Come To The Alter

    Are you hurting and broken within?
    Overwhelmed by the weight of your sin?
    Jesus is calling
    Have you come to the end of yourself?
    Do you thirst for a drink from the well?
    Jesus is calling

    O come to the altar
    The Father’s arms are open wide
    Forgiveness was bought with
    The precious blood of Jesus Christ

    Leave behind your regrets and mistakes
    Come today, there’s no reason to wait
    Jesus is calling
    Bring your sorrows and trade them for joy
    From the ashes, a new life is born
    Jesus is calling

    O come to the altar
    The Father’s arms are open wide
    Forgiveness was bought with
    The precious blood of Jesus Christ
    Forgiveness was bought with
    The precious blood!…

    Oh what a Savior
    Isn’t He wonderful?
    Sing hallelujah, Christ is risen
    Bow down before Him
    For He is Lord of all
    Sing hallelujah, Christ is risen

    O come to the altar
    The Father’s arms are open wide
    Forgiveness was bought with
    The precious blood of Jesus Christ!…
    O come to the altar
    The Father’s arms are open wide
    Forgiveness was bought with
    The precious blood of Jesus Christ!

    The Father’s arms are open wide

  144. Beloved says:

    It’s the world, flesh and the devil we struggle with. Which again is very active here as I said before. You know the right words to say about salvation but your fruit is poison. But of course you are well aware. Satan knows scripture as well as anyone, better as he is smarter than mere mortals. But God!! Oh yes, He does not let His children be overcome because He is smarter and more powerful than the devil.
    I am at peace.
    God always wins the battles in our lives, though He slay me through trials and tests yet I will serve Him.
    I am in Christ’s perfect peace.

  145. jeff1 says:

    1 The church’s one Foundation
    is Jesus Christ her Lord;
    she is His new creation,
    by water and the Word;
    from heav’n He came and sought her
    to be His holy bride;
    with His own blood He bought her,
    and for her life He died.

    2 Elect from ev’ry nation,
    yet one o’er all the earth,
    her charter of salvation,
    one Lord, one faith, one birth;
    one holy Name she blesses,
    partakes one holy food,
    and to one hope she presses,
    with ev’ry grace endued.

    3 Tho’ with a scornful wonder,
    men see her sore oppressed,
    by schisms rent asunder,
    by heresies distressed,
    yet saints their watch are keeping,
    their cry goes up, “How long?”
    And soon the night of weeping
    shall be the morn of song.

    4 The church shall never perish!
    Her dear Lord, to defend,
    to guide, sustain, and cherish,
    is with her to the end;
    tho’ there be those that hate her
    and false sons in her pale,
    against the foe or traitor
    she ever shall prevail.

    5 ‘Mid toil and tribulation,
    and tumult of her war,
    she waits the consummation
    of peace for evermore;
    till with the vision glorious
    her longing eyes are blest,
    and the great church victorious
    shall be the church at rest.

    6 Yet she on earth hath union
    with God the Three in One,
    and mystic sweet communion
    with those whose rest is won.
    O happy ones and holy!
    Lord, give us grace that we,
    like them, the meek and lowly,
    on high may dwell with Thee.

  146. poohpity says:

    Yes you are right, Beloved, Satan does know scripture and uses it to his own means to turn people away from God, to distrust, to disillusion, to doubt but not leading to salvation. If I know the right words to say about salvation then who is it that has given me those words that lead to salvation, that certainly isn’t something the evil one wants now is it? I shared that song with you because I know you are a hurting person and that seems to rule your life when it does not have to. I know how much love you really need and God’s arms are open wide.

    Of course my fruit is poison that is why I need the Holy Spirit and the fruit He produces.

  147. Beloved says:

    Well, nothing has changed. Manipulators will always flourish until Jesus returns. Be content in your lies. My purpose was to expose your lies and to defend myself a bit- which I find hard to do yet I should just be quiet and let God do. Many a false preacher has used the right words to make themselves sound Christian but as I said, your fruit stinks, because if you had the Spirit of God you would be bearing fruit that shows love joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness and self control.

    “ I shared that song with you because I know you are a hurting person and that seems to rule your life when it does not have to.”

    Another lie from out of the pit! Satan uses that to tell people suffering isn’t a necessary part of being a Christ follower, that if you are still suffering it’s your problem because you’re not following Him correctly. God wants all healed and suffering to stop. I’ve heard that before when I was part of the Charismatic Movement. Some popular preachers still tell that lie. It causes unnecessary guilt, shame and distrust of God. The fruits don’t lie.

  148. Beloved says:

    Pooh, I forgive you.

  149. street says:

    thinking of Malachi, My Messenger. how we are not very good priest and what differentiates a good priest from a bad priest. to be contrasted with our High Priest in Hebrews.
    thinking about Levi.

    thinking about the scribes and pharisees sitting in the seat of Moses, the Judgment seat. Jesus tells us to do what they say and not what they do. to be worked out in reverence to God. i noticed life and peace are the object of reverence/fear in Malachi. God you are so good!

  150. Beloved says:

    Life and peace are so good!

  151. foreverblessed says:

    Tonight I cycled back home, from town.
    The sun was gone, the lights were on.
    And going along a wide path facing east, there suddenly appeared the moon, a huge lamp it looked like, big and round!

    I had to think about the Psalm that says something like:
    Praise God who protects us for the sun by day, and the moon by night.

    The sun by day, I can imagine, but what harm could the moon do by night?

    But praise God, Who protects us for many things we are not even aware of.

    That makes me think of a saying I once heard:
    If you see somebody sinning, there are two possibilities:
    Either you have been forgiven for doing the same sinds
    Or
    You have been prevented from doing the same sin.

    Wow, I have been prevented from doing many a thing that is not right!

    God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, angels, our praying forefathers/mothers, maybe more mothers…
    Prayer for each other.
    I am praying for you all too!
    God bless you!

    You could say: how haughty of you to bless another!
    But humbly asking God to bless you…

  152. Beloved says:

    Thanks for that Forever!

    Today on my FB a memory from 3 years ago appeared which was a picture I had taken of an American flag beside a full moon. I had captioned it “ I thank God for the relative peace and safety I enjoy here in Bemidji” . Same moon we all see wherever we are in the world. Peace is so good! He does protect in ways we cannot even imagine. I often pray He will send His ministering angels to someone in need. He IS so good, He is all about Good, praise His Holy name.

  153. street says:

    My covenant may [f]continue with Levi,” says the Lord of hosts. 5 “My covenant with him was one of life and peace, and I gave them to him as an object of [g]reverence; so he [h]revered Me and stood in awe of My name. 6 [i]True instruction was in his mouth and unrighteousness was not found on his lips; he walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and he turned many back from iniquity. 7 For the lips of a priest should preserve knowledge, and [j]men should seek [k]instruction from his mouth; for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8 But as for you, you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble [l]by the instruction; you have [m]corrupted the covenant of Levi,” says the Lord of hosts. 9 “So I also have made you despised and abased [n]before all the people, just as you are not keeping My ways but are showing partiality in the [o]instruction.

    if you do not have a perfect sacrifice to offer on God’s alter, it would be better not to offer it. left unsaid.

    after 8 chapters…….chapter 12 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, [a]acceptable to God, which is your [b]spiritual service of worship.

  154. street says:

    11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!

  155. foreverblessed says:

    Last Sunday we had a sermon on Elijah.
    What a great miracle that was on Mount Carmel!
    1 Kings 18:38-39
    God was more powerful than Baal.
    And the rain came!
    Thinking of California, and Australia, they would love the rain!

    But…. whatever happened: Jezebel did not change!
    1 Kings 19:1-5

    Elijah was in very high spirits, and then heard Jezebel say to him:
    May the gods deal with me, be it ever so severely, if by this time tomorrow I do not make your life like one of them ( the baal prophets that were killed)

    I was thinking, was it also discouragement on the side of Elijah, that Jezebel did not change her mind?

    Like Luther, he had found the Grace of God through Christ, and he, full of enthousiasm, goes to the Jews, thinking that if he could see the Grace of the Gospel, so could the Jews.
    But they rejected his message.

    What Luther then wrote about the Jews, is something that has to be reconsidered. It already has been taken back by the Lutheran church.

    Keep your eyes on Jesus, praising Him, with all your might, all your heart, all your mind and spirit.

    Because, indeed Street, this is so true:
    Hebrews 9:11-15

  156. foreverblessed says:

    Reading between the lines:

    The blood of Christ cleaning our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God.
    Hebr 9:14

    The commandments were not capable of helping us.
    Not even the 10 commandments.
    But the blood of Christ is….

    How do I envision that?

  157. jeff1 says:

    There is a green hill far away,
    Outside a city wall,
    Where the dear Lord was crucified,
    Who died to save us all.

    Refrain

    O dearly, dearly, has He loved,
    And we must love Him, too,
    And trust in His redeeming blood,
    And try His works to do.

    We may not know, we cannot tell,
    What pains He had to bear;
    But we believe it was for us
    He hung and suffered there.

    Refrain

    He died that we might be forgiven,
    He died to make us good,
    That we might go at last to Heav’n,
    Saved by His precious blood.

    Refrain

    There was no other good enough
    To pay the price of sin;
    He only could unlock the gate
    Of heaven and let us in.

    Refrain

    O dearly, dearly has He loved,
    And we must love Him, too,
    And trust in His redeeming blood,
    And try His works to do

  158. jeff1 says:

    To God be the glory, great things He hath done,
    So loved He the world that He gave us His Son,
    Who yielded His life our redemption to win,
    And opened the life-gate that all may go in.

    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord,
    Let the earth hear His voice;
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord,
    Let the people rejoice;
    Oh, come to the Father, through Jesus the Son,
    And give Him the glory; great things He hath done.
    2
    Oh, perfect redemption, the purchase of blood,
    To every believer the promise of God;
    The vilest offender who truly believes,
    That moment from Jesus a pardon receives.
    3
    Great things He hath taught us, great things He hath done,
    And great our rejoicing through Jesus the Son;
    But purer, and higher, and greater will be
    Our wonder, our transport when Jesus we see.

  159. poohpity says:

    Thank you I guess Beloved. That has to be the first time someone has forgiven me not for something I actually did but what they perceived or thought I did or thought and falsely accused me of, in other words their opinion. I did not realize that is how it works. I learn something new everyday.

  160. Beloved says:

    I think Forever the 10 did help us to know God and who He is as opposed to who we were in our fallen state. They could not save us is true. It took the perfect sacrifice, Jesus to do that. Blessed be the Name of the LORD, blessed be Your Name, Jesus. That’s my understanding anyway.

  161. foreverblessed says:

    Putting the 10 to the side was not my point.

    As Paul wrote, the commandments brought us to Christ. that was their aim.
    Gal 3:21-25

    The commandments can say what they want, they do not change our hearts. Neither do they give us the power to keep them.
    That is what Jesus came for, so we would live out of the Power of His Spirit, the selfsame Power that raised Jesus from the dead,
    Eph 1:19-21

    Now, after we have come to accept Christ as our Lord, do we go back to the 10 to see how we ought to live?

    Indeed, we could do so…

    as a start.

    But: Imagine when a woman married the love of her life, her husband, her lover.

    He puts down 10 rules on how he expects her to live with him.

    And she goes to live with him in a house together, and every morning she is looking into that set of rules how she ought to live. And all the while her Lover is with her, trying to sit with her, talking with her, discussing how to deal with this son and with that daughter, listening to what He has on His mind, and sharing what she has on her mind.
    He wants to talk to her, personally, in a way only se can hear, things that are part of her life, this and that person He wants her to pray for, this and that person He wants her to write a note to, or visit.

    a very personal relation, that can only be done through the Holy Spirit.

    We have come to Christ, not to a book written in letters, all though in the book it is described hwo He is, and how we can appraoch Him.
    But do we hear the voice of the Spirit?
    The still small voice,
    and it will never contradict the bible, it will at times stretch our vieuw of how we interpreted the bible.

    Just as Jesus showed that He did not come to destroy the Roman Empire, and make the Jews a nation again, the whole Old Covenant view of the Messiah, had to be overthrown.

    Zecheriah’s song in Luke 1:67-79
    The first half is the nationalistic view of the Jews, a Messiah to restore the Kingdom of Israel,
    but the second half of the song is a shift to jesus being the Savior of All.
    Luke 1:77-79

    “And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High;
    for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for him,
    77
    to give his people the knowledge of salvation
    through the forgiveness of their sins,
    78
    because of the tender mercy of our God,
    by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven
    79
    to shine on those living in darkness
    and in the shadow of death,
    to guide our feet into the path of peace.””

    Jesus had come to save the whole World, all..

    So that was a huge shift of thinking, the New Testament way of thinking the New Covenant, that Jesus brought.

    A deeper meaning of what God wanted.

    God wants a relation from His heart to our heart, and that is not done with a list of 10 rules.
    (But under no circumstances are we to do anything that goes against the 10, when we follow Jesus, we will keep them, for there is no law against (godly) love.
    And even the heathen know that you ought not to kill, or steal or cheat, or lie.)

    That is a mind opened to the Light of the Gospel, and that is Jesus Himself.
    And we are spiritually connected to Jesus Himself,

    the Vine,
    the Bread of life,
    the Light of the world.

    but there are many christians who want a quiet life, keeping the 10 commandments and doind good, but not a Jesus who is talking personally to their hearts.
    They are not lost…

    But they rather have a set of rules, and keep Jesus at a distance.

  162. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, we could easily do the same as Jesus said the pharisees were doing:
    Reading in the bible
    And not seeing Jesus in every written word.

    Jesus the Living Word

  163. foreverblessed says:

    The role of husband and wife…
    Steve was writing about that,
    Steve, being a man:
    He says, the example of Jesus is plain to us husbands:
    Be willing to die for your wife…
    Or what were the words he used, because the way I write this sounds so stupid.

    But that is thema message Steve got out of Eph 5:21-33

    He saw Jesus in scripture.

    Now, gegevens this, my old church said: only Jesus can save us, so the man cannot die for hier wife, but the wife can still submit to here husband.
    And so through reasoning they set aside the intent what Jesus has been showing us in the Gospel:

    Jesus, who was willing to suffer, so all could be saved.

    We are cleansed by the Blood of Christ, so that wee are free to serve the living God!
    Hebrews 9:14

    The message of the Cross!
    That frees people from bondage to sin.

    I was thinking about the testimony of a lesbian woman, in a local conference, she had accepted Christ, and the only thing she actively did, was when she waar a prettige woman, she would tell herself tot look tot Jesus instead, and not bed staan into thinkinge about theater woman.
    After a couple of years the attraction tot women was gone!

    THAT is the Powers over the blood of the Lamb.

    No amount of moral lassen can help us.

    Jesus can.

    Watch and pray

    Intercessory prayer

  164. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, typos, ( auto correct)
    Now, conserning this, my old church said: only Jesus can save us, so the man cannot die for his wife, but the wife can still submit to her husband.
    And so through reasoning they set aside the intent what Jesus has been showing us in the Gospel:

    Jesus, who was willing to suffer, so all could be saved.
    If we follow Jesus, we die to our old self and are willing to suffer with Jesus, should He ask that of us.

  165. foreverblessed says:

    Have a blessed day!
    May we be attached like a branch to the Vine,
    His Life flowing through us.
    Forgiveness, mercy, peace, self-control, patience, endurance
    Gal 5:22-23
    May Jesus teach us each day a bit more of His Way with us.
    May we open our hearts more to Him

  166. street says:

    thinking about the 10 rules. preach them all day and all night your whole life and not one will be saved. never!
    paul told titus or timothy to preach the gospel, why? it’s the only way.

    remember the waters of john? the foot washing of Jesus?
    Jesus was preparing their feet for the gospel.

    i am unworthy to loosen the sandals, the law, from His feet. Jesus loosens the law with grace and mercy. the law can not be changed,but our hearts can be.

    the fowler’s snare has been broken. soar on eagles wings.

  167. Beloved says:

    How do I envision that?

    I envision Jesus hanging mutilated on a cross. Fulfilling every “demand “ of the law, making the law as sweetness and goodness to my soul. Full of mercy and grace!

  168. Beloved says:

    The 10 I agree did not help us as far as salvation.

  169. street says:

    beloved the law did help save us. it revealed what we are apart from God. some like to manipulate the law to make themselves righteous. making their own torches and walking by their own light. david could honestly say how “i” love Your Law. paul could never lift up up his nose to the law or sniff and it as distasteful, but exalts in the Word, Law made flesh. a new Master seated at the right hand of God. servants, waiting for His return and serving Him by faith by the light He gives us.

  170. street says:

    sure it’s good to look to the law and know the law. it is far better to look to Jesus and know Him. Jesus upholds the laws requirements in us who follow Him. When the Father Justifies us in Jesus, who can bring charges against us? to bring a charge against that which God had made righteous?
    He makes me lay down in green pastures He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul.

    some can not enter rest.

    to be left unsaid, to be still and quiet before the LORD.
    there will come a time to speak. the heavens and the earth pour forth speech……..

    thinking of zechariah of the Christmas story.

  171. Beloved says:

    I guess I was thinking as far as trying to keep the law to attain salvation.

  172. Beloved says:

    Many groups try to do this. But without Jesus, as you said, well, Jesus is the only way truth and life.

    Writing here is so hard. Trying to understand what thoughts are supporting a point gets tricky with all the other stuff going on in our heads sometimes. I’m going to try from now on to go the way of humility. In my other Bible study (O T) today I ended up sharing some personal things that God has had to teach me with my background (which many did not know) regarding ethnicity and racism which is a huge problem here. They kept saying, “how are we going to change this problem”? I said a few times that only knowing and finding out the mind of Christ can change any of us. I watched their eyes glaze over as they devolved into how to get church leadership to address this issue with many practical ideas and suggestions of what they can do better. It was a mess. Christ was pushed to the background. Not one person suggested praying. When I brought up the greatest commandment the leader struggled to remember it. Oh I’m exhausted. And disappointed and will pray more for my town, especially the Christians.

  173. Beloved says:

    But then there’s Elijah, not going to say poor me as he did but remembering God has his chosen ones all over. I understand his disappointment though, lol.

  174. street says:

    dear beloved i understand what you wrote and it helped me understand this though, what is your reference in the Bible to supports what you say? all people are not grounded in Christ. i know the burden of being alone and not being able to share with others or speaking and people not understanding,frustrating. jerimiah’s stock and trade. frankly God wants us to come to Him in Christ. elijah found himself in the dark, God’s design, he understood he deserved to die too and jesabell was just the person that could make that happen. God’s design is that we would be completely His. if i remember right a tempest came down and made that happen, sure there was a fiery vehicle involved. elijah will be back before Jesus return and will be killed, no proof he did die just like there is no proof Jesus is dead. mia. even john wept in heaven.

    we should seek mercy, because God insist on giving all His children mercy. i guess you could say there is no shortage of mercy in the Kingdom. law and mercy go together, but only in Christ. the gospel is a triumph of the law. wear your sandals well. oh i better say as a disclaimer put on the rest of the proper dress. if i remember right angels dress us, Old Testament where a priest is standing in dirty cloths and servants remove the cloths and clean cloths are put on. a Kingdom of priest comes to mind. let me have and keep, the mind of a child of God. let Him forever be the delight of my heart and mind. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
    On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
    To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
    From then on and forevermore.
    The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

  175. Beloved says:

    Good advice, thanks street.

  176. foreverblessed says:

    Not one person suggested praying
    ….

    That rings with me…

    That was the reason I left my old church, allthough they were changing their doctrines, and were seeing that faith in Jesus is the Rock we stand on.

    But the people were reasoning together what next to do:
    Doing tests of gifts,

    But none said: let’s pray about it.

    Fasting and praying
    And waiting
    Till Gods gives an answer,
    But many people find that tricky, because it can also be an evil spirit speaking.
    That the Holy Ghost can speak…..
    How do you know it is God? So people rather not do it. Christians I mean.

    So I pray for christians, for unity.

  177. foreverblessed says:

    Just praying and fasting
    And waiting.

    When reading the whole story of Elijah again, I noticed I had forgotten about the time-line.

    God listened to the complaint of Elijah in the cave
    Twice.
    First
    And then God appeared, not in the wind, earthquake, fire…
    But in the gentle whisper.
    God asks again, what are you doing here Elijah?
    And Elijah gives the exact same answer as the first time
    1 Kings 19:9-14

    Exact same answer…
    Did the presence of the Lord not change his insight, just as Job had done? Job 42:4-5
    Or do we see here the patience of God?

    God gives Elijah a task to do,
    And then says, just as an afterword:
    And, oh yes Elijah, I have reserved for Myself 7000 men who have not bowed down.
    1 Kings 19:15-18

    The anointing of Jehu as king,

    About the time span:
    It took 17 more years till Jehu actually became king.
    And Jezebel died, 17 years later, at the least.
    Ahab lived another three years, 1 Kings 22:1
    His son Ahaziah reigned two years, 1 Kings 22:51
    After that Joram reigned 12 years, 2 Kings 8:25

    Thinking of the time span.

    Patience on the part of the saints too!

    Patience
    Wait for the Lord

    Watch and pray

  178. jeff1 says:

    WHAT A DAY THAT WILL BE

    There is com-ing a day when no heart–aches shall come No more clouds in the sky, no more tears to dim the eye.
    All is peace for-ev-er-more on that hap-py gold-en shore.
    What a day, glo-ri-ous day that will be!

    What a day that will be when my Je-sus I shall see,
    And I look up-on His face the One who saved me by His grace.
    When He takes me by the hand and leads me thro’ the Prom-ised Land;
    What a day, glo-ri-ous day that will be!

    There’ll be no sor-row there, no more bur—dens to bear,
    No more sick-ness, no pain, no more part-ing o-ver there.
    And for-ev-er I will be with the One who died for me.
    What a day, glo-ri-ous day that will be!

    What a day that will be when my Je-sus I shall see,
    And I look up-on His face the One who saved me by His grace.
    When He takes me by the hand and leads me thro’ the Prom-ised Land;
    What a day, glo-ri-ous day that will be!

    What a day, glo-ri-ous day that will be!

  179. jeff1 says:

    I often find the most difficult part for me is patience with others but then these words from C.S. Lewis ring true:

    There are two kinds of love: we love wise and kind and beautiful people because we need them, but we love (or try to love) stupid and disagreeable people because they need us. This second kind is the more divine because that is how God loves us: not because we are lovable but because He is love, not because He needs to receive but He delights to give.

  180. Beloved says:

    EVANGELIST MARY TILLMAN
    Psalm 27:14 (NKJV)
    Wait on the LORD; Be of good courage, And He shall strengthen your heart; Wait, I say, on the LORD!

    Explanation:
    Waiting on God is not easy. Often it seems that He isn’t answering our prayers or doesn’t understand the urgency of our situation. That kind of thinking implies that God is not in control or is not fair. But God is worth waiting for. Often God uses times of waiting to refresh, renew, and teach us. Make good use of your waiting times by discovering what God may be trying to teach you in them.

  181. poohpity says:

    Our bible study this season is looking at Jesus through the eyes of the disciple Jesus loved, that is how he refers to himself, John. Life lessons of John (When God became man) by Max Lucado.

    Our first lesson was having a look at the things “Left Unsaid” about the beginnings of the journey of Jesus from birth and the significance of that. All that power contained in human flesh we were to look at the importance of that act and what it shows us about how much the Lord cares for us. He had to have His diapers changed, He had to depend on someone to feed and protect Him, He had the full human experience then 33 years later He felt the rejection and pain of being a sinner in our place. He who knew no sin became sin for us. 2 Cor 5:21; Romans 8:3

    Now that is really something to think about.

  182. poohpity says:

    Do you think of yourself as a child of God dearly loved? If we did wouldn’t that change how we act and treat others?

  183. poohpity says:

    I have been thinking did Jesus ever tell anyone He loved them or did He just show them He did? “Left Unsaid”

  184. poohpity says:

    Hebrews 10: Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together(going to church), as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

  185. jeff1 says:

    Having been raised in a country divided by religion it is easy for me to understand how many believe what they want to rather than seek God’s truth.

    I remember those days myself when I was so convinced when a religious leader would preach the words I wanted to hear as they aligned with my culture and beliefs.

    I had a dad who had wisdom and insight that I know now came from his insistence on keeping his focus on Christ.

    He didn’t listen to either religious or political leaders though strangely enough he did treat them with the utmost respect as he would say they where put in authority over him and it was his place to do so.

    I have spent my life playing hide and seek with God because I never had the wisdom or insight my dad had and that tells me that we have different strengths and weaknesses which is the way God intended it as He knows humility can be more difficult for some than others.

    I have so often tried to get God to see from my perspective when all the time I could see my dad was determined to do the opposite.

    I know today who got it right and why I will always see him as a man who knew God better than I ever have and that was not by coincidence but by his desire to put God first in his life.

    In my Father’s house are many mansions
    If it were not true He would have told me so
    He has gone away to live in that bright city
    He’s preparing me a mansion there I know

    Jesus died upon the cross to bear my sorrow
    Freely died that souls like us might have new life
    But I know that soon there’ll come a bright tomorrow
    When the world will all be free from sin and strife

    Do not shun the Savior’s love, from up in glory
    Or you won’t be there to sing the gospel story
    In my Father’s house are many mansions
    If you’re true then to this land you’ll surely go

  186. street says:

    praying is normal for the child of God.
    we are told to pray without stopping.
    praying brings us into the presents of God.
    is there a better place to be.

    it is only Jesus Who did this perfectly. we can see it in scripture where people where looking for Him. even in the olive garden at the place of the press.

    i discovered a truth, i do not forget peoples names when i enter prayer for them. if a forget your name it is because i was not praying for you. if i pray for you are not i praying for myself, for i do the same thing. if we confess are sin is He not faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    pray for people who serve God. they need it every day. God knows you need it even before you ask.

    25 At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.[g] 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

  187. Beloved says:

    An hour with Jesus will make up for ages of pain.
    Spurgeon

    Hallelujah Amen!

  188. Beloved says:

    Spurgeon
    Evening, November 14th, 2019
    “And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.”— Genesis 29:26

    We do not excuse Laban for his dishonesty, but we scruple not to learn from the custom which he quoted as his excuse. There are some things which must be taken in order, and if we would win the second we must secure the first.

    The second may be the more lovely in our eyes, but the rule of the heavenly country must stand, and the elder must be married first. For instance, many men desire the beautiful and well-favoured Rachel of joy and peace in believing, but they must first be wedded to the tender-eyed Leah of repentance.

    Every one falls in love with happiness, and many would cheerfully serve twice seven years to enjoy it, but according to the rule of the Lord’s kingdom, the Leah of real holiness must be beloved of our soul before the Rachel of true happiness can be attained.

    Heaven stands not first but second, and only by persevering to the end can we win a portion in it. The cross must be carried before the crown can be worn. We must follow our Lord in his humiliation, or we shall never rest with him in glory.

    My soul, what sayest thou, art thou so vain as to hope to break through the heavenly rule? Dost thou hope for reward without labour, or honour without toil? Dismiss the idle expectation, and be content to take the ill-favoured things for the sake of the sweet love of Jesus, which will recompense thee for all.

    In such a spirit, labouring and suffering, thou wilt find bitters grow sweet, and hard things easy. Like Jacob, thy years of service will seem unto thee but a few days for the love thou hast to Jesus; and when the dear hour of the wedding feast shall come, all thy toils shall be as though they had never been—an hour with Jesus will make up for ages of pain and labour.

    Jesus, to win thyself so fair,
    Thy cross I will with gladness bear:
    Since so the rules of heaven ordain,
    The first I’ll wed the next to gain.

  189. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, for giving that devotion of Spurgeon.
    I have never heard of such an explanation, but it rings true in my heart!

    I think that God has comforted Leah in her distress.
    That she had found Jesus as her real Lover, the true Love of her heart.

    Later in the Torah, it was forbidden to take sisters both as wives. I always thought that was because of Leah and Rachel.
    To have been a woman in those days, o dear. It is so hard
    to imagine that your husband takes an extra wife. People say: They, these women, didn’t know any better, but I do not believe that. Leah really suffered. And so did Rachel, sisters competing for their husbands love.

    But Spurgeon takes this to a higher level:

    No glory without the suffering!

    The humiliation of Jesus, and I do hope that the real Gospel message of Gace is the reason we suffer,
    and not because of some doctrine that is not about the essence of being a christian. Like I suffered as a child for keeping the Sabbath, in a village where everybody kept the Sunday.

    So I said: Jesus, I want to know the essence of being a Christian! I want to suffer for that what is the real Truth, and not some human interpretation of the bible.

  190. foreverblessed says:

    Street, On intercessory prayer, and living under the New Covenant, how our prayers for others have much more impact when we know what our position is in Christ,
    That is what Andrew Murray is saying in his book: on the Two Convenants

  191. poohpity says:

    If Spurgeon used Leah and Rachael to represent the law and grace then where did the other wives fit in rather than seeing it as a get what you give kinda thing in the training of Jacob. Jacob deceived so he received deception back. God does not deceive us He actually tells us what will happen before it happens to prepare us. Laban did not prepare Jacob he deceived him just like he and his mother Rebekah deceived Isaac and Esau. In fact because this was before the law, Jacob even married his own cousins which after the law came was not allowed. I know it is “left unsaid” but our first parents Adam and Eve their children, sisters and brothers, procreated to fill the earth of people.

    However what is used to represent the law and grace was the child of promise and freedom(grace), Isaac, because God provided compared to the child of bondage Ishmael for taking matters into their own hands like being in bondage to the law not depending on God.

  192. poohpity says:

    It turned out that the linage of our Savior came from the womb of Leah through Judah. So it would seem that God had a plan and no one can change that plan. So Leah who thought she was forgotten and not loved ended up not being forgotten but loved and having purpose to God.

  193. foreverblessed says:

    “We do not excuse Laban for his dishonesty, but we scruple not to learn from the custom which he quoted as his excuse. There are some things which must be taken in order, and if we would win the second we must secure the first.”

    The first is the suffering with Christ

    The second is the Glory with Christ.

    The text says:
    There is no sharing in the Glory of Christ,
    Without first sharing in the Suffering of Christ

  194. Beloved says:

    Forever that must have been hard as a child to be different from the rest of the culture. I didn’t discover my own different-ness until I was about 12 and through school friends discovered most every other family I knew did not have a father like mine. Highly embarrassing and degrading. I was “set apart” but not for good but by evil. But Christ alone set me free! Praise His loving care and promise to set captives free!! As far as religiously I remember feeling so sorry for children that were not allowed by their religion to celebrate birthdays and holidays. They always looked so sad.

  195. Beloved says:

    “Suffering for Christ” maybe begins before we are aware of Him yet He has His eye on us? I was told that long ago but did not understand it then as I could not really recognize Jesus very well, His veil was still around me. His veil removed the more I became acquainted with Him. The suffering servant! More like Him than we know.

  196. Beloved says:

    2Corinthians 3:14
    But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

  197. foreverblessed says:

    Suffering with Christ
    That is so hard to understand.

    I have a sister who set christianity aside, because of the suffering.
    The story: Quo Vadis
    That book was impossible for her.
    On the Roman Road, Via Appia, just outside of Rome, Peter is leaving the city to flee persecution, and he meets Jesus who goes towards the city.
    Peter asks: Quo Vadis?
    Where are You going?
    Jesus answered: Into the city to be crucified.

    Then Peter realises that it is he himself that must be crucified.
    John 21:18-19

    That is so hard to understand. My sister didn’t like it, she said: Jesus is manipulating Peter by doing this like He did.
    And she set Jesus aside!
    (Intercessory prayer comes in here, praying for mye sister.)

    But on that cross of Peter…
    Isn’t Jesus Cross sufficient?
    Isn’t Jesus death on the Cross all that is needed to save mankind?

    But the text says:
    We died with Christ…
    The first suffering is that of our old self.
    The old me, which was ruined, and has to go,
    So that the new me would be build in Christ.
    Gal 2:20

    My will made like the will of Christ.
    That is the first death…

    And it is not done at once, it is a process.
    I pray, I do not hesitate to let it be so.
    Participating in this blog, where false accusations have been manifold, was a good training to learn NOT to react from the old self.

    But to bless instead.

    Die to our old self,

    But that is not all of the suffering…

    The Holy Spirit will make it clear as we proceed our path with Jesus.

  198. Beloved says:

    Either God is good, or He is not. In which case I would not follow Him either. (Thinking of your sister and praying for her). Yes, reading through our depraved nature skews the message and the Messenger I think. How can it not! But sometimes when I am angry I don’t want Truth I want justice; for me. Not thinking of justice already accomplished for me at Calvary. What a mess we make but only God has figured a way through and out of it. Thinking of the wisdom of man being as the foolishness of God!

  199. Beloved says:

    1 Corinthians 1:25 New International Version (NIV)

    25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

  200. Beloved says:

    Yes I agree this blog has been a good training ground in humility. The Way of Christ.

  201. Beloved says:

    Was it Peter who refused to be hung on a cross as Jesus did but insisted it be upside down? Not even feeling worthy to die as He did? Humility, Gods way.

  202. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, for your intercessory prayer!

    Every person must have their own journey to find out that God is good.
    God gives room for that,
    And so must I.
    Give room for my sister to find that out. And in the mean while be friendly to her.

    Was thinking about how much room God gave to Elijah, in listening to his complaint.
    Elijah overreacted after his point of being High, the fire on the altar and the subsequent rain, 1 Kings 18:36-46

    And many people, when they saw that, fell prostrate and cried,
    “The Lord, He is God!
    The Lord, He is God!”
    1 Kingston 18:39

    And yet, when Jezebel threatens to kill Elijah, he falls way low, much too low, his conclusion to the whole matter is overdone: the thread of that one woman was weightier over him than the admittance of all the people that God is Lord!

    I am saying this, being someone who base over-reacted a lot. I am not condemning him, I am amazed at God’s patience.

    1 Kings 19:2-3,10,14
    God patiently listens to Elijah.

  203. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, that was Peter, upside down!

  204. Beloved says:

    Coming from the place of one who has seen so much violence, the sheer volume of violence Elijah saw would traumatize anyone. And trauma really gets in the way sometimes of hearing from God, causing all kinds of doubts and fears. (PTSD is real). God is patient always in a loving way because He knows we are just human, broken clay pots.

  205. street says:

    the law is written down. it can be read. it can also be spoken. no one keeps the law. we die because of sin, which is breaking the law. there must be another approach to the law, for the law is good? an approach that leads to life, abundant life. an approach that that the Law Maker finds favor with. something left unsaid? a gift.

  206. Beloved says:

    And especially when you have a death threat on your head as was sent from Jezebel. My father s last death threat to me was when told he had put his guns in his truck and was headed my way because I had told others about His abuse of me and myriad other children as well. I had also testified in court about it years earlier but he moved to another state after his release ( no sex offender registry in the 60’s) and again got into law enforcement. One of the scariest times, but called others to pray for me and him. He stopped about 100 miles into his journey suddenly and turned back. God intervened! God was not only patient He saved my life, again. He has a purpose for each of us in our own little corners of the world. It’s His world, all of it.

    By the way, thanks for all your prayers. since I quit my antidepressant I’m doing pretty good. I can still go down easily but more dependence on God for comfort and strength has been good.

  207. Beloved says:

    Yes yes street a gift! God Himself revealing His good and loving ways to us! How can we serve Him until we know how good He is, and Holy! Holiness is goodness revealed. We all like good! Bless His Holy Name!

  208. Beloved says:

    Rather. goodness is Holiness revealed.

  209. poohpity says:

    Didn’t Jesus say that there will be two kinds of suffering one that we suffer from the sin that is in the world whether self inflicted or inflicted by others compared to the suffering that comes from sharing and teaching the Gospel. Matt 10:22, 24:9; John 15:17-19, 16:33; Acts 14:22

  210. Beloved says:

    12Indeed, all who desire to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will be persecuted

  211. Beloved says:

    13 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats[b]; do not be frightened.”[c] 15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

    17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

  212. Beloved says:

    Dear beloveds, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

  213. Beloved says:

    How to test a spirit.
    Piper

    1. Does it cause us to love.
    2. Dies it cause us to believe.

    Glad I looked it up.

  214. Beloved says:

    The puritans used to ask God for the gift of tears… it’s a beautiful thing.

  215. poohpity says:

    When testing a spirit doesn’t one just have to see whether it is true to the teaching of the Holy Spirit and not contrary to the words of God? Why would anyone have to look that up? Isn’t that what we are taught in the bible?

    1 John Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

    13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

    Piper aint got nothing on John

  216. poohpity says:

    It is so wonderful what is revealed in scripture, so many answers, so many revelations, so many lessons about God and how it is His Spirit that works within us in a process that takes a life time. He knows those who desire Him above all else, those who seek and search and He promised the door would be opened.

  217. jeff1 says:

    Sailing the waves in the darkness,
    Suddenly caught in a storm,
    Our Lord is so peacefully sleeping,
    All cuddled safe and warm.
    Yes, God is there.
    Everything’s all right!

    Peter is all in a panic,
    Oar and a pail in each hand.
    The twelve are so fearfully frantic,
    They just don’t understand
    That God is there.
    Everything’s all right!

    So when your sailing is stormy,
    Seems like you won’t stay afloat,
    Before you go drowning in worry,
    Just look who’s in your boat!
    If God is there,
    Everything’s all right!
    If God is there,
    Everything’s all right!

  218. bubbles says:

    Rachael hid household idols from Laban’s house and lied about it. This makes me wonder if she was a believer in God. When she died, she wasn’t buried with Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, and Rebekah. Jacob buried Leah with them. They were traveling when Rachael died, and was buried on the side of the road near Bethlehem, if memory is correct. Leah named her fourth son Judah, which means praise. Her first was “see, a son,” Ruben. It appears by the time Judah was born she was able to find happiness in God and not in pleasing others.

  219. street says:

    Piper aint got nothing on John

    are the servants of God divided?

  220. street says:

    25 Laban caught up with Jacob. Now Jacob had pitched his tent in the hill country, and Laban with his [o]kinsmen camped in the hill country of Gilead. 26 Then Laban said to Jacob, “What have you done [p]by deceiving me and carrying away my daughters like captives of the sword? 27 Why did you flee secretly and [q]deceive me, and did not tell me so that I might have sent you away with joy and with songs, with timbrel and with lyre; 28 and did not allow me to kiss my sons and my daughters? Now you have done foolishly. 29 It is in [r]my power to do you harm, but the God of your father spoke to me last night, saying, ‘[s]Be careful not to speak either good or bad to Jacob.’ 30 Now you have indeed gone away because you longed greatly for your father’s house; but why did you steal my gods?” 31 Then Jacob replied to Laban, “Because I was afraid, for I thought that you would take your daughters from me by force. 32 The one with whom you find your gods shall not live; in the presence of our [t]kinsmen [u]point out what is yours [v]among my belongings and take it for yourself.” For Jacob did not know that Rachel had stolen them.

    i think jacob would have wished this happen after his wrestling match in the desert. the contrast between his wives is incredible. to know this peace and security in the dark and painful times is only in Christ.

  221. Beloved says:

    Forever I was reading Andrew Murray about prayer today. This caught my attention regarding the Holy Spirit. He says the greatest prayer we can make for our enemies is that they will receive the Holy Spirit. Isn’t that an interesting? It’s very self sacrificing. Thinking of your siblings and those church folks at my Bible studies. I’m greatly encouraged by that because it takes the weight off my shoulders and places it on Gods stronger shoulders. His are pure and Holy, not like mine. At all. Bless His Holy Perfection!

  222. Beloved says:

    Piper is one of the most passionate Godly preachers of our time. Paul would be his friend :-)

  223. bratimus says:

    What caught my eyes in the comments, the discussion who was a better preacher. I’m going to cast my ballot for Christ Jesus the word of God as the best of US.

    So I will tell you about a dream I had a year or so ago, it is a little earlier then I wanted to, but might help someone understand through the muddied waters.

    In this Dream: I was standing in a green meadow the likes I have never seen, it was vast it looked like it went on forever. In this meadow there were many groves of orchards with meadow in between. In this meadow with orchards I felt the presence of Someone didn’t see them just felt the presence of Love, Warmth and Safety. As I walked up to the orchard closets to me, I noticed the fruit it kind of look like a lantern but a fruit, The fruit was illuminating Light. Before I reached for the fruit, I told the presence of Someone that was there that I was unworthy, the words that I felt didn’t hear the words felt the words. Said that “no one is worthy”. Then I said I make mistakes, the words that I felt said “Yep, you make mistakes”. When I bite into the fruit it tasted like every fruit I liked, and like no fruit I ever had.

    So in are unworthiness and are mistakes God can use them for His purpose, not saying that my mistakes are willed by God my mistakes were all my choice right or wrong. God can use our weaknesses to show His power, His Glory.

    I cast my ballot for Christ Jesus being the best of US.

    In Christ Jesus name
    Amen

    Bratimus

  224. poohpity says:

    street, regarding your 10:21pm comment I did not say that for the cause of division, that may be how you think but for me it was to show that sometimes the answers are right there in scripture so why look to outside means for answers or direction.
    ****************************

    “Left Unsaid” Do the actions of love need words? Isn’t Christ in us and the love He showed us what comes out towards others when we are filled with Him? No need for knowledge, the ability to speak other languages, special gifts, faith or hope when it all comes down to it isn’t love the most powerful reflection of Christ in us and something that will last for eternity? If we do not have love then nothing else matters, it is all noise.

  225. Beloved says:

    A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold.
    Just finished listening to r c preach on Matthew 13. 16One cannot hear unless it is given them by God to hear. Blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17 For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

    Seeing they cannot see- hearing they cannot hear. What to do? Leave them to God. Pray for the Holy Spirit and let go.

    Chris thanks for sharing your precious dream. Beautiful. I think it was John the Baptist- another great preacher- who said he was not even worthy to untie His sandals. True humility.

  226. street says:

    pilot asked what is truth?

    tina turner asked what does love have to do with it?

    another singer asked what is love?

    love is not love without faith and hope and all these are gifts from God. does your servant job serve you for nothing? yes he does. he trusts hopes and loves for nothing. the pinnacle of jobs interaction with God is in 42 : Then Job answered the Lord and said,

    2
    “I know that You can do all things,
    And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
    3
    ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
    Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand,
    Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.”
    4
    ‘Hear, now, and I will speak;
    I will ask You, and You instruct me.’
    5
    “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
    But now my eye sees You;
    6
    Therefore I retract,
    And I repent in dust and ashes.”

    Jesus is a better covenant. the prophets He sent spoke well too. along with kings judges blind lame and unclean. all spoke, not all spoke well. not of the flesh, but by the Spirit of the Lord. is there faith apart from the Spirit. i think not. without faith it is impossible to please the LORD. the law is for the unrighteous. Jesus died under the law even though He never broke it. should we not uphold the law by the Spirit He gave us ? not by the flesh but by His Spirit. new Spirit required. spirit of self or Spirit of God. mart has been trying to get us to understand that we are constantly being confronted by two different spirits. light and dark. you can drink your coffee dark, but i don’t recommend a dark spirit. come to think of it we are in the valley of the shadow of death. You LORD, You comfort me. You make me lay down in green pastures and lead my beside still waters. to make one lay down is to humble them by consent. Who is it that is humble and lifted up? it is the LORD! i love john, not as slow as the rest of us at recognizing the LORD. this too is a gift from God. even john weeped in heaven. if we can’t see Jesus it is a time for weeping.

  227. jeff1 says:

    “Left Unsaid” Do the actions of love need words?

    I did not have parents who where demonstrative in saying how much they loved me or my siblings but their actions certainly made up for their lack of words.

    In today’s world there is a significant change in that hugs, kisses and saying ‘I love you’ are the norm of the day.

    For someone like myself that can often seem rather superficial rather than coming from a heartfelt conviction.

    Isn’t there much more to love than actions or words and can I truly ever understand peoples diverse reactions to giving or receiving it.

    Why do I find some easy to love and others so difficult?

    Why do I often find the person so hard to love is myself?

    Does God hold it against me when I fail to love as I should making Pooh right that faith without love is just noise to God!

  228. street says:

    paul never doubted the love of his brothers and sisters. he knew love sometimes has to wait. wait? yes for opportunity. the waiting i think is the time of molding and perpetration. by the flesh or the Spirit?

    by trust and dependence on God, little children.

    even paul had to wait and go through molding and shaping. jacob you worm, you will be a butterfly.
    sinner you will be a saint.
    not by power not by might, but by My Spirit says the LORD.

  229. Beloved says:

    Can love be judged?

    1 Corinthians 4:5 (CEB) So don’t judge anything before the right time—wait until the Lord comes. He will bring things that are hidden in the dark to light, and he will make people’s motivations public. Then there will be recognition for each person from God.

  230. poohpity says:

    street try reading the whole chapter of 1 Cor 13 in response to your comment of the 11:03am. Or the commands of Jesus in John 13 and 15. If one does in fact have faith true faith then it will be acted out in how we love others won’t it? Faith without deeds is dead and loving others is in fact living out that faith isn’t it?

  231. Beloved says:

    Viv I find this article on love so helpful:

    Love in the New Testament

    What makes the New Testament new is the appearance of the Son of God on the scene of human history. In Jesus Christ we see as never before a revelation of God. As he said, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father” (John 14:9; cf. Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3). For in a real sense, Jesus was God. (John 1:1; 20:28).

    But the coming of Christ not only brings about the revelation of God. By his death and resurrection Christ also brings about the salvation of men (Romans 5:6-11). This salvation includes forgiveness of sins (Ephesians 1:7), access to God (Ephesians 2:18), the hope of eternal life (John 3:16), and a new heart which is inclined to do good deeds (Ephesians 2:10; Titus 2:14).

    Therefore, when dealing with love, we must try to relate everything to Jesus Christ and his life, death and resurrection. In the life and death of Christ we see in a new way what God’s love is and what man’s love for God and for others should be. And through faith, the Spirit of Christ, living in us enables us to follow his example.
    Desiring God.org

  232. jeff1 says:

    Higher Love

    Think about it, there must be higher love
    Down in the heart or hidden in the stars above
    Without it, life is wasted time
    Look inside your heart, I’ll look inside mine
    Things look so bad everywhere
    In this whole world, what is fair?
    We walk blind, we try to see
    Falling behind in what could be

    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Where’s that higher love I keep thinking of?

    Worlds are turning and we’re just hanging on
    Facing our fear and standing out there alone
    A yearning, and it’s real to me
    There must be someone who’s feeling for me

    Things look so bad everywhere
    In this whole world, what is fair?
    We walk blind, we try to see
    Falling behind in what could be

    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Where’s that higher love I keep thinking of?

    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Bring be a higher love
    I could rise above on a higher love

    I will wait for it
    I’m not too late for it
    Until then, I’ll sing my song
    To cheer the night along
    Bring it…

    I could light the night up with my soul on fire
    I could make the sun shine from pure desire
    Let me feel that love come over me
    Let me feel how strong it could be

    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Bring me a higher love
    Where’s that higher love I keep thinking of?

  233. Beloved says:

    Higher Love

    9As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.

    10If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.

    11These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

    12“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

    13Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

    14You are my friends if you do what I command you.

    15No longer do I call you servants,a for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

    16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

    17These things I command you, so that you will love one another.

    Yet we are all a work in progress, God’s workmanship!

  234. jeff1 says:

    Love Lifted Me

    I was sinking deep in sin
    Far from the peaceful shore
    Very deeply stained within
    Sinking to rise no more
    But the Master of the sea
    Heard my despairing cry
    From the waters lifted me
    Now safe am I

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

    All my heart to Him I give
    Ever to Him I’ll cling
    In His blessed presence live
    Ever His praises sing
    Love so mighty and so true
    Merits my soul’s best songs
    Faithful, loving service too, to Him belongs

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me
    Love lifted me, love lifted me
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me

  235. street says:

    If one does in fact have faith true faith then it will be acted out in how we love others won’t it?

    what is the basis of true faith? this might seem barbaric, but bear with me, is the basis of faith Words on a page? or the resurection of Jesus? is the basis of faith the call of God on a human heart? is the basis of faith my understanding and intellect or a new Spirit that has been given to me?

    yes poo, exposure to Truth will generate a response in people, an acceptance or rejection.

    people have struggled for several millennia trying to make peace. they failed because they can not. they struggle with righteousness and justice too because they can not create that either. this leads me to this verse i remember.

    7 “Which of you, having a slave plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come immediately and [g]sit down to eat’? 8 But will he not say to him, ‘Prepare something for me to eat, and properly [h]clothe yourself and serve me while I eat and drink; and [i]afterward you [j]may eat and drink’? 9 He does not thank the slave because he did the things which were commanded, does he? 10 So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.’”

    the unworthy part, to me, yes we did what we should have done and we where not very good at it. it seems to me the one we serve always did it better than me.

    seems to me if i come from a world of chaos and into the Lords House a different set of rules are in order and training required? seems to me much grace and mercy was received just getting through the front door. no one can help you if your not dressed properly. seems like the Head of the house preparers the labor prior to service.
    thinking of jerimiah and isiah we see God calling and sending, but not their preparation. seems to me they did not get their on their own. now the apostles are a different story altogether. then there is the verse blessed are those who believe and have never seen.

    If one does in fact have faith true faith then it will be acted out in how we love others won’t it?

    how do we love other? according to the standard they want us to use or to the standard Jesus wants us to use?

    remember children have different maturities, skill levels and understanding. humility and faithfulness to the truth be our guide, so help me God. i really need it.

    i noticed a couple times this week that when moses came to the end of himself God goes to work and is glorified not man. moses and pharaoh found out who the true God is. moses received profound grace and mercy. may it be new every morning.

  236. poohpity says:

    street, there is only one standard of love and it is the source of that love that taught us what that is! No matter the maturity level, doesn’t it have to do with how much one has yielded or submitted to that source since even a brand new believer knows the love of God and desires to give away what they have received. So I would say that if one truly believes in what God has done for them they would be more than excited to share that love with others but if one takes for granted and does not fully grasp what was done for them, then their love will probably be shallow and only given to those who will return it as the flesh does.

  237. poohpity says:

    A parent does not give a child what will bring harm to them, no He does what is in their best interest and that sometimes does not “feel” good but love is not based on feelings because they come and go but it is based on what is in the best interest of the one loved.

    Hebrews 12: And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you. 6For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastises everyone He receives as a son.” 7Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?… Prov 3:11-12; Rev 3:19

  238. poohpity says:

    Have you ever been around a person who has not been correctly disciplined by their parents? I bet you will not want to go around them either, they throw tantrums, blame everyone else for their own actions and find it hard to take responsibility for anything they do. Love as many aspects to it and we learn from the One who is the source of it, God is love.

  239. jeff1 says:

    I cannot know another’s journey and the human tragedy is that I cannot feel another’s pain but then God does not ask me to and I put that onus on myself.

    I have not come to know God through scripture and so my view of Him is very different to my friend who has.

    She is looking forward to Jesus putting her over her enemies as she believes in an eye for an eye.

    As far as she is concerned my lack of knowledge of scripture is leading me away from God’s ways.

    I do not get into arguments with her because she can quote me scripture and then smiles at me for as she sees it my lack of understanding God.

    I would have to agree that if her interpretation of scripture is correct then my ignorance of God is staggering.

    I was talking to one of my friends from the charity shop and she told me of how she knows a woman whose child died at seven years of age and to this day she sees God as a God of wrath.

    I ask myself would I see God any differently if I were in her shoes and the answer was probably not!

    When I take my eyes of Jesus then I visualize God very differently and perhaps that explains why God points us to Jesus, as the way, the truth and the life.

    I can change God but the good news is that God does not change nor should I want Him to but it is not until I see my own unworthiness i.e. negligence or deliberate fault that I see my own need of His goodness and mercy.

    It is so much easier to see the speck in another’s eye while missing the plank in my own!

    God have mercy, Christ have mercy.

  240. poohpity says:

    Viv, isn’t it true that one can have all the bible knowledge there is but without love we expect everyone else to live out what is taught in the bible and fail so miserably to live it ourselves? One can throw scripture around to prove their point and miss God entirely. Viv, God seems to speak to you through song which is true for many who enjoy worship music look at all the music David wrote in the Psalms(songs) and many more places in scripture there are songs all throughout scripture and I believe that is fine because most songs are taken from His words. If song helps us to see our own neediness of the forgiveness, mercy and grace of God then it seems to have been or is fruitful. Love shows us our need of someone greater than ourselves to teach us because isn’t love learned we were not born knowing how to do it thus the need for a second birth.

  241. poohpity says:

    I know from “Hillsong” birthed in Australia that their songs are their preaching. They have reached many souls through music and anyone can tell who the source is for their outreach the loving, forgiving, merciful and grace filled heart of God.

  242. jeff1 says:

    Hear the cries of the shackled from the onset of time,
    For the chains of defeat theres no key.
    See the tears of the broken, the cries of the slaves:
    Is there no one worthy to set us free?

    Then the crying is stilled as the chorus rings out,
    The shackled released from their chains.
    And thousands of voices are swelling the song:
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain.

    Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

    Then all the archangels, the saints of all time,
    Holding their crowns in their hands,
    Fall down before Him joining the song:
    Worthy, worthy the Lamb!Worthy, worthy,
    Worthy the Lamb that was slain (x2)

    Praise Him, praise Him,
    Praise the Lamb that was slain (x2)

  243. Beloved says:

    Jesus says ” I and my Father are one”. In Genesis God says “Let US make man in our image”. Viv it took me a long while to understand that the same mercy, love, kindness and compassion we see from Jesus comes from the Father. I too needed so much comfort and help I only looked to Jesus. And was afraid of His Father. The trinity is hard to understand but all three represent God’s character. We all deserve God’s wrath for sure, so surrendering to God is the way to reunification with Him. The split happened in the garden as you know. May God’s goodness become more apparent to you this day. He saves us, not ourselves. I pray He will give you eyes to see more clearly and ears to hear Him speaking to you directly. I suppose the religious wars you have been involved in your whole life have made you a bit wary of God and especially the bible?

  244. poohpity says:

    Viv, that song was taken from the book of Revelation 4:

    And whenever the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the One seated on the throne who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated on the throne, and they worship Him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for You created all things; by Your will they exist, and came to be.”

  245. Beloved says:

    Thinking of “religious wars” and how even on a blog they can be troubling for believers and unbelievers alike. God has called us to peace, yet Jesus said He brought a sword that would cause division. Like the crusades, more harmful than good.

  246. jeff1 says:

    It is true that since I was around 10 years old I have listened to gospel music such was my love of it.

    It was music and songs that reassured me through some of my most difficult times of my life and not all religious music for I have a love of all music.

    Though I have to say the greatest influence in me knowing God has come from my dad as his example showed me that love knows no bounds.

    Some find it easier to give love while others find it easier to receive but surely it is those who can do both that find true love.

  247. Beloved says:

    I am so grateful to those here that love me! They prove it by their words, yet I have needs no one here or anywhere can meet. That’s why I need Jesus.

    What a Friend We Have in Jesus

    What a friend we have in Jesus
    All our sins and griefs to bear!
    What a privilege to carry
    Everything to God in prayer!
    Oh what peace we often forfeit
    Oh what needless pain we bear
    All because we do not carry
    Everything to God in prayer

    Have we trials and temptations?
    Is there trouble anywhere?
    We should never be discouraged
    Take it to the Lord in prayer
    Can we find a friend so faithful
    Who will all our sorrows share?
    Jesus knows our every weakness
    Take it to the Lord in prayer

    Are we weak and heavy laden,
    Cumbered with a load of care?
    Precious Savior, still our refuge
    Take it to the Lord in prayer
    Do thy friends despise, forsake thee?
    Take it to the Lord in prayer!
    In his arms he’ll take and shield thee
    Thou wilt find a solace there.

    No one ever cared for me like Jesus. Why? Because people die, people move, people just move on… We’re finite but God is eternal and eternally loves me. Oh what a Friend indeed!! Thank you God, for yesterday today and tomorrow your love remains. Anxious to see you Jesus!

  248. street says:

    thinking of those who know the law. the pharisees and scribes. they put them self’s in the seat of moses.
    yet Jesus commands us to do what they say. He also advised us not to do what they do. hummmm?

    it would seem that when Jesus finial instruction to israel was you will not see Me till you say, “blessed is he who comes in the Name of the LORD.” Jesus said you receive each other but you will not receive the One sent from God?

    we discover we can not keep the 10 rules! yet a rescuer is promised in the law. a new Spirit is promised. blessed is He who comes in the Name of the LORD.

    the Spirit is the banner flying over the castle when the King is in residence. let us be like mose and the faithful, coming to the end of ourselves and trusting and depending on God. for God will not share His Glory with another.

    Isaiah 42:8
    I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

    Isaiah 48:11
    For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

    the Glory of a Holy, Righteous, Just God. blessed are those who come to Him in the Name of the LORD.

    can you believe He eats with and receives sinners!?

  249. poohpity says:

    street asked, “can you believe He eats with and receives sinners!? Yes I can because I know that is who he came to save not those who think of themselves as righteous. Which Jesus explains in the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector, Luke 18:

    Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: 10 “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer[b]: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

    13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ 14 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

  250. Beloved says:

    thinking of those who know the law. the pharisees and scribes. they put them self’s in the seat of moses.
    yet Jesus commands us to do what they say. He also advised us not to do what they do. hummmm?

    That is fascinating street. You mentioned it once before. It makes me think of how people seemingly hate them or of being accused of acting like one. Jesus did not hate them but merely used their ignorance to show how far off the Mark (God) they had become whole waiting for the Messiah to show us love in the flesh or love in action. Love is about Truth, God’s truth, and telling the truth.

    God give us all ears to hear You in the scriptures as well as in our hearts. Love opens hearts and scripture.

  251. Beloved says:

    Jesus came to save sinners; the Pharisees and scribes did not even know they were sinners until Jesus told them they were! Paul is a good example of a Pharisee saved by faith in Christ!

  252. Beloved says:

    So what is left “unsaid” about the texts quoted at 11:15 am? Hmmmmm

  253. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    November 17, 2019 at 8:57 am

    I suppose the religious wars you have been involved in your whole life have made you a bit wary of God and especially the bible?

    When I was in the religious wars I believed as my friend did that it was an eye for an eye.

    It is today that I see it differently and that is because I see now that my dad was focusing on Christ because he knew that by doing so he would be given wisdom and insight in finding solutions rather than running with the pack.

    God is just as He rewards obedience and my dad was disciplined and remained faithful to him rather than resorting to evil for evil.

    Righteousness is God given or I am doing what the world does as I am sure you know.

  254. Beloved says:

    Dear friend Viv, how has focusing on Christ helped you?

  255. Beloved says:

    If you don’t mind sharing :-)

  256. jeff1 says:

    It has stopped me hating and wanting revenge and has convinced me that God’s ways are best.

    I try now to be patient and understanding rather than judgemental.

    I am no longer angry with God or others and I have found a peace and contentment that gives me new hope.

    I trust God more and see my need of Him and that renews my strength whenever difficulties arise.

    It helps me to see that God is on my side when I am seeking His best rather than blinding myself to His ways.

  257. poohpity says:

    Beloved, in response to your pitted comment of 12:16 pm I do not think that there was much left unsaid it pretty much said it all. Either you think you are so much better than others that you can point out their sins or be one who knows that they have no room to talk about others because of the sin that lies within their own life, pretty straight forward don’t you think?

  258. Beloved says:

    Pooh you are probably right, God bless you more!

  259. Beloved says:

    My evening meditation:

    Proverbs 30:5-9 5″Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

    6Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

    7″Two things I ask of you, LORD; do not refuse me before I die:

    8Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread.

    9Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, ‘Who is the LORD?’ Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God.

  260. Beloved says:

    Viv thank you for your testimony. God is always so good. It is very encouraging to me, as I struggle with some of the same things.

  261. Beloved says:

    Galatians 6:17From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

    Could this be the key to the great “ left unsaid” of God in my life, and in yours also my dear friends?

  262. poohpity says:

    So Beloved you are saying that you have persecuted, flogged, your body harmed for preaching the Gospel of Christ as Paul was? Wow!

  263. Beloved says:

    I should have explained it better but the previous verses help with the summation by Paul:

    Galatians 6:13–17 (ESV): 14 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
    17 From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

    There is a principle here that applies to all followers of Christ, as those crucified with Him to the ways of the world. Peace and mercy are upon them that follow the rule of a new creation through the cross only. Which often comes with great resistance from others.

    I apologize for my poor explanation. I’m no preacher.

  264. Beloved says:

    Followers of Christ will suffer. Scars can also be emotional and psychological as well as physical. But He never lets us go!! Praise and bless His Holiness now and forevermore!

  265. Beloved says:

    2Timothy 3:12.
    Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

  266. Beloved says:

    2 Timothy 3:14–17 (ESV): 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

  267. jeff1 says:

    My friend ask me to go to a play the other night and though I was not overly interested I went.

    It was the story of a monsignor in the vatican during the war and his efforts to outwit the gestapo in getting those in danger out of the country.

    The film made on it is called ‘The Scarlet and the Black’ and I had recalled seeing it.

    He was from Ireland and the actor playing him spoke to us of how his family remembered the priest.

    In his protral he showed how if Hugh O’Flaherty had not left Ireland he would have joined the IRA as was common then and so believed that God had other plans for him.

    Those plans would see him and a team of others form the “Rome escape line” which would save 6,500 Jews and Allied POW’s.

    The monsignor would then go on to stopping the execution of the gestapo leader and become his only friend in prison leading him to convert and repent of his war crimes.

    I thought of how appropriate the title of the play which was ‘God Has No Country’.

    I thought about how could this priest who had witnessed the gestapo leader shoot dead 330 people able to forgive him.

    My thoughts of this man were that he was a monster and unlike the monsignor I cannot get past this thinking.

    It takes a better man/woman than I and why ‘I take my hat of to the person that can’.

    Often God doesn’t say as much as He reveals and the truth hurts but let it hurt as long as it brings me closer to God then I know He is having His Way.

    A thankful heart, a thankful heart,
    Lord, grow in me a thankful heart.
    So many gifts You give each day!
    I ask one more: a thankful heart.

    A simple faith, a simple faith,
    For every need, a simple faith.
    Father, You hold me in Your arms,
    So give Your child a simple faith.

    A life of love, a life of love,
    In Jesus Christ a life of love.
    Lord, as I live and breathe in You,
    This wealth is mine: a life of love.

    A thankful heart, a simple faith,
    A life of love in You each day
    Till we are one and face to face
    And all is joy and endless praise!

  268. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I believe there is a major difference in those who suffer for the sake of the Gospel and other suffering that has nothing to do with spreading the Good Word.

  269. Beloved says:

    Viv this just showed up on my FB feed:

    The essence of forgiveness is absorbing pain instead of giving it. Timothy Keller

  270. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Beloved.

  271. Beloved says:

    “You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about. And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want” (The Message).

    Jesus message is all about forgiveness. Thinking about that I find myself at a place where it’s become vital to learn to forgive better. “That’s big of you” comes the saying when extraordinary mercy and forgiveness are seen. Sometimes I miss the grace opportunities because the trees are in the way. Today I finally forgave and asked forgiveness for my blindness to a family member’s pain I had unknowingly caused. It was hard; I had to absorb my pain to do it, not asking anything of them but grace, as well as mercy. It’s not about who’s right and who’s wrong or more right or more wrong. It’s about Jesus and knowing and loving and doing things His way. I think He does get obscured sometimes if the formula does or doesn’t work for us as we interpret scripture to find a way out of a difficult situation; at least for over thinkers like myself. There is only one Truth that leads to life here and now and for eternity.

    Viv I’m only speaking to you right now as you brought it up and thank you for that.

    These are my thoughts anyway, praise Jesus the creator and author of our salvation.

  272. Beloved says:

    Yes absorbing anything seems to make me “bigger”, especially cookies, I love cookies.

  273. jeff1 says:

    It was watching the play that I had no intentions of going to but for a twist of fate that prompted me to think deeper into forgiveness.

    The play was badly attended as it was being held in a local theatre which holds 500 people yet they took out all the seating and put in about a dozen tables and chairs and a quarter of them where empty.

    The actor allowed us to question him after his performance and spoke of how he was telling this monsignor’s story though O’Flaherty himself would not have spoken of it.

    It is my assumption that he would have known that Ireland at the time was neutral and also that had he not chosen the path he did then he admitted he would have joined the IRA as did his friends whom he admitted to having empathy with.

    Also I know that my dad never spoke of his years in the war nor was it something men did here as it seemed they wanted to forget that time in history rather than relive it.

    The play brought home to me that where forgiveness can be a stumbling block for one person it is not for another.

    The message hurt me but in a good way as it reiterated what Mart is saying.

    This is why we —and everyone—need(s) Christ.

  274. poohpity says:

    The essence of forgiveness is absorbing pain instead of giving it. Timothy Keller I usually enjoy the teaching of Timothy Keller and that quote does not seem to go along with most of his other teaching. To me it makes no sense because absorbing pain means we take it into our lives and the results usually means we develop hardness of heart rather than a softer more pliable one.

    Doesn’t God teach us to let go of the pain and give it to Him to take care of, not to hold on to it. By holding on to the pain(absorbing) we hold on to the offender and the offense and remain in bondage to them. So maybe it would be more profound to say the essence of forgiveness is by releasing the pain and giving it to God then we will not give that pain to others nor bring pain to ourselves either!

  275. poohpity says:

    It would seem and I believe that absorbing forgiveness, mercy and grace is something the permeates our lives and that will overflow towards others and that will show we understand our need for Jesus and what He did for us.

  276. foreverblessed says:

    That was what I was going to say:
    Only Jesus can absorb all the pain there is!

    The message of the Cross:
    Jesus absorbs ALL that went wrong

    “Come to Me”

    Jesus begs us to bring all our burdens to Him!

    And He bears them, and throws them “into the Ocean”
    Or “as far as East is from the West”

    That pure forgiveness that this Monseignur did, was not from himself, he got theater from Jesus.

    So, don’t beste yourself up for not being able to forgive:
    Only Jesus can do that IN us.

    We can only cry out:
    “I want to forgive, please help me God in my being unable to forgive!”

    And cry out with all our hearts in it.

    Having faith in Jesus!

    Ask for more faith in Jesus!

  277. foreverblessed says:

    But…..
    To be able to give your pain to Jesus,
    You first have to veel it, or accept it.

    We do not want thee pain, so we reject it by anger,
    Anger keeps thee pain away.

    So in a sense, maybe Piper was saying: admit the pain.

  278. foreverblessed says:

    Before we can face the pain God must strengthen us.

    Eph 3:14-21
    For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

    20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

    In new King James version:
    14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [a]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

    20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

  279. foreverblessed says:

    So, don’t beste yourself up for not being able to forgive:

    Don’t beat yourself up for not being able to forgive,
    Nobody can
    Only Jesus

  280. Beloved says:

    But…..
    To be able to give your pain to Jesus,

    Oh yes Forever that’s so important I’m glad you said this. Come to me as a little child, Jesus said. I think as we get older we learn to harden or numb ourselves don’t you? The advantage of being childlike to God is that we know he hears us when we come to Him in faith. I John 5:15
    And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

    My husband was a very angry hardened man. Yet when he was in severe pain he had taught himself to laugh! I could never understand this but I think he was laughing at God in defiance. At 12 he witnessed his father and older brother electrocuted through an aluminum ladder placed against a power line. His mother told him to stop crying the day of the funeral and be the man of the household. Then he was sent to war- Vietnam where he admitted being afraid of death every single day. He too never talked about it much; but years later told a grandson he had been a sniper there. Unimaginable to comprehend. He died of a heart attack at age 65, very young. I still miss him. He hated God. Why does pain draw some to God and some run far away, yet no one ever is out of His sight. Prodigals everywhere it seems. Our precious hope, Jesus!

  281. poohpity says:

    In my experience of forgiving it is a process and has never been a once and done sort of thing. It takes time and the help of the Holy Spirit to guide us through that process. The anger and resentment does pop up it’s ugly head often unexpectedly when I least expect it and then I have to turn it over to God once again. But it always helps me during the process to remember all that God has forgiven me of as a matter of fact the Lord brings to my remembrance those things He has forgiven me of which helps so much to forgive others.

  282. Beloved says:

    I have had to ask Jesus to help me forgive and He has. He always helps us whatever our need!

  283. Beloved says:

    Especially when our need is to obey His commands.

  284. Beloved says:

    Please pray for me; I still have PTSD from the abuse I suffered after I became a Christ follower. I thank God for revealing it to me and feeling the pain and trauma of it. I’m asking God for healing if it is His will. It effects my coming to Him sometimes out of fear of being hurt again and being with other Christians, especially the tares who have harmed me since then. Thank you

  285. street says:

    In both texts, no matter how they are translated or paraphrased, a lot is left unsaid…

    they are to understand it is for the individual follower not for others. scribes and pharisees did not think it pertained to them? they were walking by their own rules and their own light.

    Jesus is the light of the world. walk before Him blameless. you will always spend time on the things you love.

  286. street says:

    praying for my bothers and sisters on bta

  287. jeff1 says:

    When all you see is darkness,
    And pain is all that’s real,
    When empty words and promises
    Don’t change the way you feel,

    Refrain:
    Child, be still,
    Be still,
    Be still and know I am God.
    Be still,
    Be still,
    Be still and know I am God.

    When heaven doesn’t answer
    Your deep and desperate prayer,
    When grief for those so near and dear
    Is more than you can bear,

    Remember, I am always good,
    Though shadows hide my face.
    Don’t ever fear what lies ahead,
    For all I am is grace.

  288. street says:

    5 I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and now, I am sure, dwells in you as well. 6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands, 7 for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

  289. Beloved says:

    Imputed righteousness, it’s a beautiful thing. Drawing on His power I overcome by the blood of the Lamb to love and self control.
    2 Chronicles 16 9
    For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him.
    Amen

  290. poohpity says:

    We are taught in scripture that one can believe in who Jesus is, in the resurrection and be baptized with water but still not be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

  291. Beloved says:

    Street thanks for this, even though we may forget, temporarily, the spirit of God is always interceding for us.

    2 Timothy 1:7-8 New Living Translation (NLT)
    7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline.

    8 So never be ashamed to tell others about our Lord. And don’t be ashamed of me, either, even though I’m in prison for him. With the strength God gives you, be ready to suffer with me for the sake of the Good News.

    Some translations say “sound mind” instead of self discipline. Praise Jesus for His amazing love grace and mercy that today and until the end sets all things — especially our minds–right for His glory!

  292. Beloved says:

    All it takes is one Breath of Air to save a person from drowning.

  293. Beloved says:

    26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

    God Works In All Things
    (Ephesians 1:3-14)

    28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

    31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.

    More Than Conquerors
    (Psalm 44:1-26)

    35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:

    “For Your sake we face death all day long;

    we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g

    37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  294. jeff1 says:

    Some days you may lead me through green pastures
    My heart drinks in deep the waters sweet
    And some days you may lead me through the desert
    Even then you’re still the reason
    I can say

    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond whats gained through earthly treasures

    What ever comes my way
    still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed.

    Through the troubled pain and disappointments
    When it seems that I have nothing left
    You will never leave me or forsake me
    I will testify until my dying breath

    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures

    Whatever comes my way
    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed.

    You alone are my reward
    With you I want for nothing more
    And because your goodness follows me all of my days

    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures
    O whatever comes my way

    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed Thank you Jesus

  295. Beloved says:

    Yes viv! Blessed indeed. I was just reading Zephaniah3 and am greatly encouraged also.
    15 The LORD has taken away the judgements against you and he had cleared away your enemies. The LORD is in your midst; you shall never again fear evil. Let not your hands grow weak, he will rejoice over you, he will quiet you with His love, you will no longer suffer reproach, I will deal, I will save the lame and gather the outcast, change their shame into praise and renown in all the earth.

    Oh yes! the promises of old have been fulfilled in Jesus Messiah. He still saves even though He is sitting at Gods right hand yet is in us! Nothing anymore is left unsaid or unfulfilled except Jesus’s second coming to retrieve, gather and make ALL things new, heaven and earth!

  296. street says:

    what God has credited as Righteous is Righteous.

    what God has Justified is Just.

    What God has Loved is Loved.

    He changes not.

    Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as Righteousness.

    Gifts from God.

    Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

    a work of God, not of the flesh, by faith hope and love.

  297. cbrown says:

    Good morning all! I am not a gifted writer yet I a blessedd by your posts on this blog.Piease pray for all the Prison Ministries this Christmas season. Our church has an outreach on 12/21 to a maximum security prison and we pray that the inmates will be encouraged to look to Christ for their salvation. As a side note, my wife and I went to the Shenandoah National Park this year on our anniversary. Steve, we were on the Skyline Parkway at Skyland Lodge. I looked north/northwest and I think I could the see the area of West Virginia you live. It was beautiful. Love, Chris

  298. Beloved says:

    Baking cookies again?

  299. cbrown says:

    Beloved, that is the plan. Bake enough cookies to give each inmate(approximately1400) at least 1 dozen and a coke. As we distribute the cookies we look for opportunities to share the Gospel. Love, Chris

  300. SFDBWV says:

    Chris you certainly weren’t far from me when on the Sky Line Drive. Too bad we couldn’t have gotten together.

    There for a while Matt and I worked in Winchester, VA. The Shenandoah river valley is so rich in history and beauty.

    I am glad you and your wife enjoyed the trip.

    We live on top of those mountains you seen to the west.

    Good job with your ministry.

    Steve

  301. jeff1 says:

    There’s a road called the holy highway that once was a desert land
    Very soon you’ll hear the sound of a holy marching band
    Everlasting joy upon them, there’s a remnant strong and true
    We bring the song back to Zion; we bring the praise back to you

    We exalt You, God Almighty, You are worthy to be praised
    Let all nations bow before You, Holy Ancient of all days

    There’s a road called the holy highway, where the people dance and shout
    For the enemy is running with confusion all about
    Raise our banners in the victory; raise them high His word is true
    We bring our song back to Zion, we bring the praise back to you

    We exalt You, God Almighty, You are worthy to be praised
    Let all nations bow before You, Holy Ancient of all days

    Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty
    Holy, holy holy is the Lord
    Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah

    There’s a road called the holy highway that once was a desert land
    Very soon you’ll hear the sound of a holy marching band and
    Everlasting joy upon them, there’s a remnant strong and true
    We bring the song back to Zion; we bring the praise back to you
    We bring the praise back to you

  302. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Pooh, how is your leg?

  303. Beloved says:

    Steve, how is Matt’s foot doing?

  304. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce Matt’s leg and foot are healing fine, but I am not. we have doctor appointments this morning.

    Steve

  305. poohpity says:

    Steve what is going on with you?

  306. poohpity says:

    Is it your heart or hernia bothering you again or something new? This getting old isn’t easy is it?

  307. bratimus says:

    Prayers, prayers, and more prayers for all!!!

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  308. Beloved says:

    “You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about. And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want” (The Message).

    I was just reading Matthew14 and hearing about Peters “walk” of faith and Jesus literally grabbing him out of the water (wow) is so encouraging to remember, that yes, the scriptures are good but Jesus is THAT real and so good to us. Come, LORD Jesus, be my LORD and Savior today! I trust You will deliver me when I call You, Amen

  309. jeff1 says:

    Evil opposes You, my Lord,
    And those You free from sin.
    It sneers and shouts its deadly lies
    And whispers here within.

    You are my shield, O living Christ,
    My truth, my strength, my light,
    My joy, my song throughout the day,
    My keeper through the night.

    I can lie down and safely rest,
    Secure in all You are –
    Unfailing light when all is dark,
    The Bright and Morning Star.

    You are salvation, O my God,
    Pure love in all You do,
    And all are holy, safe, and strong
    Who simply trust in You.

  310. Beloved says:

    Spurgeon’s
    Evening, November 22nd, 2019
    “That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;”— Philippians 3:10

    The doctrine of a risen Saviour is exceedingly precious. The resurrection is the corner-stone of the entire building of Christianity. It is the key-stone of the arch of our salvation.

    It would take a volume to set forth all the streams of living water which flow from this one sacred source, the resurrection of our dear Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; but to know that he has risen, and to have fellowship with him as such—communing with the risen Saviour by possessing a risen life—seeing him leave the tomb by leaving the tomb of worldliness ourselves, this is even still more precious.

    The doctrine is the basis of the experience, but as the flower is more lovely than the root, so is the experience of fellowship with the risen Saviour more lovely than the doctrine itself. I would have you believe that Christ rose from the dead so as to sing of it, and derive all the consolation which it is possible for you to extract from this well-ascertained and well-witnessed fact; but I beseech you, rest not contented even there.

    Though you cannot, like the disciples, see him visibly, yet I bid you aspire to see Christ Jesus by the eye of faith; and though, like Mary Magdalene, you may not “touch” him, yet may you be privileged to converse with him, and to know that he is risen, you yourselves being risen in him to newness of life.

    To know a crucified Saviour as having crucified all my sins, is a high degree of knowledge; but to know a risen Saviour as having justified me, and to realize that he has bestowed upon me new life, having given me to be a new creature through his own newness of life, this is a noble style of experience: short of it, none ought to rest satisfied.

    May you both “know him, and the power of his resurrection.” Why should souls who are quickened with Jesus, wear the grave-clothes of worldliness and unbelief? Rise, for the Lord is risen.

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