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Us and Them

What did Jesus mean when he referred to people like us as evil parents (Matthew 7:11)?

If some in the crowd thought he was insulting them, they may have been hearing what he said rather than what he meant.

Who needed most to hear his heart when he said, “If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matt 7:11); after saying, “don’t give what is sacred to dogs or your pearls to pigs” (7:6); after calling the crowd that included his friends and disciples hypocrites for making an issue of what they saw in the eyes of others (7:3-5); after urging them to trust the heart of their Father in heaven (6:25-34)?

Strong’s Lexicon shows that the original word (here translated evil) wasn’t limited to witches, devils, and unbelievers, but rather referred to “the negative moral quality of a person or action opposed to God and his goodness”.

I wonder how many of us learned to see “them” rather than “us” as  “evil” and “wicked”. If so, could that be one reason we underestimate how much the Father—who urges us to come to him for help— loves us, and them?

Note: If you have— or can take the time— I think Andy Stanley has given us words that I wish everyone could hear. His 28 minute message is so needed and timely!!


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343 Responses to “Us and Them”

  1. bubbles says:

    I have read this 3 times and I do not understand.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    I love you Bubbles…


  3. Beloved says:

    Happy blessed Father’s Day Mart and friends!

  4. SFDBWV says:

    This morning’s video was about “hearing” what Jesus did as much as seeing what He did.

    In line with attempting to see, hear, relate, learn from and understand exactly what Jesus “meant” in Mart’s reference of Matthew 7:11 it is perhaps best to keep it simple. Especially from the beginning.

    The gist of the story is that God knows what is best for us and gives to us what we need more than what we want. As what we want may not be what is best for us.

    We see through glass darkly and are incapable of seeing clearly.

    God gives from a clear and perfect vision.

    We are handicapped with sin, sin is evil and as long as sin is found in us we are evil.

    If we being mortal normal people know how to give good gifts, just imagine how much better God is at giving to us what is better for us to possess.

    If people in the crowd thought Jesus was insulting them it is because they cannot comprehend what He said, even though they heard what He said. They just did not understand for a long list of reasons.

    The same thing happens here on almost every comment someone makes.

    As I said start at the beginning one point at a time as the issue will evolve over time and become something entirely different as time goes by.


  5. poohpity says:

    Happy Father’s day!

    Mart it seems that is the way many look at others and accuse or jump to conclusions how evil they are and miss or do not admit to the evil that is in our own hearts. It seems much easier to look around than within. But then how does one really comprehend the magnitude of grace that has been shown to us if they fail to look within?

  6. poohpity says:

    I guess we do not see the moral issues within when we try to compare ourselves with others rather to the goodness of God.

  7. poohpity says:

    Romans 3:23 NLT: “For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.”

  8. bubbles says:

    Of course we are all evil. No doubt about it. I just never thought those he spoke to would have misunderstood it. That’s what I didn’t understand.

  9. bubbles says:

    So I took a gift to my Dad this morning. His response was, “I don’t want this.” Broke my heart. I took it and am giving it to someone else. I can’t take it back.

  10. bratimus says:

    “IF” I had a mission from God this is what it would be.

    I would leave the 99 and go after the 1 lost child of God, that God wants back. Now in doing this I would be on the run to find this child on there path. So, I might have to run around, through or around an opinion, idea or thought. Some might think it is unkind the wrong path or evil. Sometimes the 99 are believers and sometimes there not. I am more concerned about the one lost.

    This is all “IF” I had a mission from God.

    After all the 99 are safe, it is the one that is head off the cliff, WE are on the run in the search and sometime we stop to rest with the 99 just for rest.

    In Christ Jesus name


  11. Beloved says:

    Us and them

    In this new life, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us. Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.
    Colossians 3:11-15

  12. bratimus says:

    May be they were meant to misunderstand, so many others would understand through the ages.

    Just like our gifts would mean so much to another.

    The body may walk, but the Spirit is on the run, just as the body needs rest, but the Spirit never does.

    In Christ Jesus name


  13. Beloved says:

    Interestingly I was reading Maclarens exposition of Matthew 7 just last evening. Overall the point of the sermon was to show the supremacy of Christ over the Law the Jews used to rule over others. This made me think of Colossians and the Supremacy of Christ passage leading up to my previous post. Then and now by keeping Christ’s thinking before us always wherever the day takes us we can give a good response to others.

  14. poohpity says:

    It would seem that understanding came after and the reason for the ascension so that the spirit could lead us into all truths. What Jesus taught in Matt was before

  15. street says:

    i would have to say the dots got connected pretty good in Matthew 6 & 7. never saw it that way before. quite a message. i guess it is time to go and ask, maybe even be still and listen.

    1 Peter 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts.

  16. SFDBWV says:

    Ask yourself, what is human nature and what is a healthy attitude and you will find the answer to Mart’s question wondering how many of us learned to see them rather than us as evil and wicked.

    Over the years we have touched on many subjects and given today’s super awareness of the pandemic the tension, or what may seem as the tension, between science and our faith becomes an issue.

    I would hope that a healthy attitude you may have concerning yourself makes you feel good about yourself. That when things arise that may not make you feel good about yourself you find a way to correct it.

    If I can use the term “medical” in my explanation I would have to say that medically if we don’t have a healthy attitude about ourselves other medical issues will arise. Some psychotic and some physical.

    Somewhere in the construction of our being we have self-preservation and that self-preservation is what helps keep us from harm and alive.

    Self-preservation is part of human nature.

    It becomes un-natural for us to forgo self for any reason at all.

    So we now introduce faith into the balance of a healthy mental attitude.

    The very basis of our faith is Jesus of Nazareth who willingly allowed Himself to be tortured and killed for our sake, for our eternal salvation and the restoration of the relationship between us and God.

    Self-preservation is over ruled by self- sacrifice.

    An un-natural condition.

    When we observe the behavior of others we immediately have an opinion of that behavior. That opinion is influenced by many factors within our own mental conditioning.

    Ironic that Adam and Eve’s original sin of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is what separated us from God and yet the Law God gave Israel to follow, defines what is good and evil in an attempt for Israel to be God’s people and reconcile man.

    Because we know right from wrong from a Biblical perspective the behavior we observe in others will be seen as such, either right from wrong/good and evil or not.

    So in conclusion if we learned to see “them” as evil from learning what is evil from our religious instruction instead of “us”, we are in error from our religious indoctrination of all of us being evil and in need of a Savior.

    However if we see “them” as evil and not “us” it is simply because we need to feel good about ourselves and keep a healthy mental attitude in balance.

    Somewhere in all of this our faith gives us a “super-natural” posture allowing for us to feel good about ourselves in triumph over our human nature.

    55, clear and cool.


  17. Mart DeHaan says:

    Thanks for wading into this subject with me. If any of you have the time (or can take the time)— I think Andy Stanley has given us words that I wish every one could hear. His 28 minute message is so needed and timely!!


  18. jeff1 says:

    I received this message on my mobile phone one of many that I am receiving since lockdown which has brought me right down to earth and humbled me so I’m thinking must be God’s intention.

    The message goes like this:

    I dreamed I went to Heaven and an angel was giving me a tour. We walked with each other down a vast corridor. My guide stopped at a doorway and gestured for me to enter.
    Inside was a massive workroom filled with angels bustling about.

    “This is the receiving room”, my angel explained. “Here, all the world’s prayers to God are received”. I looked upon all the angels sorting petitions written on piles and scraps of paper from all over the world.
    I was impressed by both the order and chaos of this busy workroom. My guide and I continued down the corridor until we reached a second doorway. The angel turned to me and said, “This is the packaging and delivery room.”

    “Here, the graces and blessings that the world’s people requested are processed and sent for delivery”. Again I couldn’t help but be impressed by how busy the room was. Angels were darting about, packaging the blessings for delivery to the people’s of Earth. My guide and I continued on until we arrived at the farthest end of the corridor.

    To my surprise, only one angel was in the room, sitting idly with nothing to do.
    “This is the acknowledgement room’, my angel quietly admitted to me. “How is it there is no work going on in here?” I asked.

    The angel seemed embarrassed, “It’s very sad,” He explained. “After the people receive the blessings that they ask God for, very few send back acknowledgments.”
    “How does one acknowledge their blessings from God” I asked. “Easy” the angel answered, “Just say,” “Thank You, Lord.” “What kind of blessings should they acknowledge?” I asked. The angel smiled and explained. “If you have food on your table, clothing on your back, and a roof overhead, you are richer than 75% of the world. If you have money in the bank and in your wallet, you are among the top 8% of the world’s wealthy. If you wake up with more health than illness, you are more blessed than all those who won’t survive the day. If you never had to endure the fear of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, or the agony of torture, then you are better off than 700 million people in the world. If you attend church without fear of harrassment, arrest or death, you are more blessed than 3 billion people. If you’re parents are still alive and still married, then your fortune is very rare indeed. If you can hold your head up and smile you’re unique to all those who despair.” When I woke, I pondered over how we can start acknowledging our blessings. If you can read this message, you are doubly blessed. One is that someone was thinking of you as very special. The second is that you are more blessed than over two billion people in the world who cannot read at all.
    If you see this on your own device you are part of the 1% in the world who can afford the opportunity.

    Have a good day and always count your blessings.

  19. bratimus says:

    Some might not understand this,

    I’m not jumping into the racial divide, it is a worldly trap. No matter what I may say or do can be turn around and judge because of my skin tone. If you miss the heart of me, then you already have missed the message in me. Then I have to move on, remember the Spirit is on the run at full gallop.

    Racism is not of God, so I don’t want to wallow in it.

    It is a trap!!!

    In Christ Jesus name

  20. jeff1 says:

    Have listened to Andy Stanley and I can say this from my own experience I considered myself to be non racist because I knew a black British soldier whom I considered a friend back in the day.

    Thirty years on and I recall a fellow white worker challenging whether we were as anti racist as we thought we were and he said ask your self this question and you’ll know whether you’re racist or not, say your daughter or son tells you they are marrying a black person and examine your response, and the truth is I was shocked and ashamed at my initial response to the scenario.

    Mr Stanley speaks truths that challenge me to the core. Here instead of it being about colour of your skin it is about whether you’re orange or green and our history speaks for itself in seeing how we messed that up.

    I was brought up in the orange camp to find that for the greatest part of my life I believed what fitted with what I had been indoctrinated to believe.

    You can fool people some of the time but not all of the time and so I learned the hard way that politics is messy business no matter whose side of the divide you find yourself on.

    When it comes to trusting others or in my own judgements I would say that boat has sailed hence why I have progressed to trusting God as alternatives have proved to me that it’s only God who knows right from wrong.

    In Mr Stanley I hear one who oozes leadership qualities but I am way too weary of both my own and others mistakes to carry others burdens so giving them to Christ for graving rest from this world while Mr Stanley seems all to willing and divinely appointed to challenge it.

  21. jeff1 says:

    Craving not graving

  22. poohpity says:

    I so enjoyed Andy Stanley’s message, eye and heart opening to say the least. It is not us vs them, it is all us. As the Lord once said who knows the very heart of mankind, nothing is hidden from Him says, “The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.”. That is the us and if we do not understand that then we will go back to pointing our fingers at “them” and miss completely the person in the mirror.

  23. Beloved says:

    Thanks Mart for the link. “The greatest of these is love ❤️”. We are all in the process of learning from the Master, Jesus.

  24. Beloved says:

    I think that being critical of what others do or don’t do distracts from Jesus message. Love seems to overlook my faults and ignorance. Amazing is love!

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Andy does his father Dr. Charles Stanley credit. I did enjoy the “sermon”, thank you Mart for providing it.

    Like Bratimus has stated, this evolved subject is a sticky one filled with trappings. Trappings only because of how some may incorrectly view another’s comments.

    Whereas Andy’s “sermon” dealt primarily with Black and white people, there are other races and plenty of racism demonstrated and experienced from each one against the other.

    It isn’t just a black and white issue.

    Chris is more suited to discuss prison issues, but prisons are a very good example of racial polarization. Blacks migrate to other blacks, Hispanics to other Hispanics and whites to other whites and so forth.

    Each forming their own “gangs”, internal leadership and rules. In most cases enforced within their own groups and often deadly.

    However Christian volunteers such as Chris are involved in an attempt to blend the races in the name of and indoctrination of Jesus. Not only for their eternal salvation, but to have a beginning point for the healing of the things that divide us all.

    Thank you Chris.

    Outside of prisons in the larger cities of America there are street gangs, and like prisons they tend to be racially exclusive.

    Whites are the enemy of all other racial groups, or so it seems.

    And so white racists tend to group together in para-military groups preparing for what is seen as a coming racial war. And so are identified by a biased media as being “white supremacists” or sometimes they self-identify with the Nazi concept of a super race.

    Amazingly all believing they have a Biblical right to their racist beliefs.

    As messy as the picture is it paints a world view of how it was in the days of Noah when the whole world was evil and judgement came.

    Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and so was saved, safe in the ark. Our Ark is the Lord Jesus Christ and by His grace we too are to be saved from the coming destruction.

    Not by our own cunning, but by His grace. Keep looking up.


  26. Beloved says:

    Us vs Them

    Describing Them and Their ways to promote Our agenda. Who’s agenda should We be following? Generalizing causes problems in itself.

  27. Beloved says:

    Straining a gnat- hypocrisy. Us vs Them

    Oh my how easily I do this without even knowing it, but God, who searches my heart showed it to me. Ouch.

  28. street says:

    21 But the one who gives us security with you in Christ and who anointed us is God; 22 he has also put his seal upon us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a first installment. 2 Corinthians 1
    there is no them in this passage, yet i know i was a them excluded from the promises of God in Christ Jesus prior to faith. even now sins pull and influence is apparent. when stanley mentioned Jesus wept at the grave of lazrus, He took on that burden and then prayed and His prayer was answered. thinking about a devotion that mentioned God changing His Mind. it is in response to repentance or intersession.

    i have always struggled with the idea of miracles. i know they do have a part in God’s kingdom and work. never the less not my will but your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. thinking of david praying for his first born son with bethsheba. God’s will was done and david was ok with it. his trust was unshakeable. thinking of job, we are not going to be content with godliness till we see the face of God. intellectual assent is good, but not enough. understanding and intimacy, affection a must. if not, the burden remains. the joy of the Lord is your strength.

  29. street says:

    thinking about this Spirit He has given “us”.

    thinking about our need to love as Christ has loved “us”.

    united state or Kingdom? no Lord no Kingdom.

    wisdom- wise-rule

    Colossians 2:2-4
    2 that their hearts may be encouraged as they are brought together in love, to have all the richness of fully assured understanding, for the knowledge of the mystery of God, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

    1 Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy shown us, we are not discouraged. 2 Rather, we have renounced shameful, hidden things; not acting deceitfully or falsifying the word of God, but by the open declaration of the truth we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even though our gospel is veiled, it is veiled for “those” who are perishing,

    those and them, we must understand we were dead in our sin made alive in Christ, every branch that doesn’t bear fruit will be cut off. fruitfulness is assured in Christ. we are not to sit in judgment in regards to fruit. Jesus did not say lazrus deserved to die, he understood He, Jesus would die in his place in order that he, lazrus, may live. our time here is quickly coming to and end, may we be found in Christ, not the law. there are two communions that come to mind. one with lazus and family after lazrus was raised and when Jesus broke bread with His disiples before His arrest. there is a third communion, post Resurrection.

  30. poohpity says:

    Only those who see people based on color groups probably have never experienced getting to know anyone outside their own little group so therefore can not relate to any others beyond their own little tiny world.

  31. poohpity says:

    The us that my family and I share is more like the United Nations. I have friends from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Africa, India, Dominican Republic and all the varieties of Americans and native Americans which have introduced us to some amazing foods from their countries when we share meals together. I listen when they share their cultures and customs, I embrace all the colors of personalities and skin pigment but more than anything I enjoy them sharing what is in their hearts.

  32. Beloved says:

    Dear Forever no need to apologize for news source errors; it seems to be the “new” normal lately. I don’t think anyone knows the truth anymore, only what they hear from other sources. Bits and pieces maybe of actual events but like the blind men around the elephant asked to describe it they all have a very different perspective. As dear Street pointed out in his usual encouragement and knowledge of scripture-
    “June 22, 2020 at 1:39 pm
    21 But the one who gives us security with you in Christ and who anointed us is God; 22 he has also put his seal upon us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a first installment. 2 Corinthians 1
    there is no them in this passage, yet i know i was a them excluded from the promises of God in Christ Jesus prior to faith. even now sins pull and influence is apparent.”

  33. Beloved says:

    All news invites divisiveness but the Good News brings inclusiveness propagated by Jesus death and resurrection. Amen

  34. Beloved says:

    The old song Bind Us Together I remember. Lovely song.

  35. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of the old hymns that stands the test of time and this one speaks volumes.

    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes.
    Most blessed, most glorious,
    The Ancient of Days.
    Almighty, victorious thy great name we praise.

    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, Thou rulest in might;
    Thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    Thy clouds which are fountains of goodness and love.

    To all life thou givest to both great and small;
    In all life thou livest,
    The true life of all;
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    And wither and perish but nought changeth thee.

    Great Father of glory,
    Pure Father of light.
    Thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight;
    All laud we would render!
    O help us to see
    ‘Tis only the splendor of light hideth thee.

  36. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and, bGg, I am too. I enjoyed reading all of the comments on the previous blog, and I want to say thank you to all for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with me. Steve, a couple of your comments on the previous blog were very insightful, and thank you, foreverblessed, for your consistent kindness. I, too, want to give a “shout out” to cbrown for her work in prison ministry! I thank God for people like you, cbrown, because many people don’t have the time (or maybe don’t have a desire) to work in prison ministry. Well, I’m looking forward to reading the comments on this new blog topic. And I’m also looking forward to reading ROMANS 5. Now, on to morning chores…

    78 degrees and cloudy with a 90 percent chance of rain in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  37. SFDBWV says:

    We read from the Scripture that there are things God “hates”. Jesus was angry at the money lenders doing business inside of the Temple.

    There are so many people I talk to who have just quit listening to or watching the news that it is actually startling.

    It isn’t because they don’t want to know what’s going on, it is because what news they are fed upsets them and even makes them angry.

    Some of which they blame on the news itself as fostering, and popularizing the things they find offensive.

    I was stunned the other evening to hear a national news anchor say that “Juneteenth” was an American holiday. That it represented the day that African Americans were finally freed from slavery.

    All of that is a lie, or better said a twist on the truth.

    These vandals who are going around the country tearing down statues of people they think should not be immortalized or seen as worthy of having a statue in their honor, are the same people who tell the rest of us what words we are no longer allowed to use.

    They don’t care about what another may think or feel, it is their way only and without any concern for violating the law or moral decent behavior they force their agenda up the nose of the rest of us.

    If you think this unites us instead of dividing us, then you are one of “them”.

    I think the only time that there will not be a “them” and “us” is when everything is made new. Even during the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth as King, God lets Satan out of prison in order to bring about the final judgement of man, and then all things made new.

    One of those disturbing stories of Scripture is the one where the Disciples come to Jesus complaining that another group of people are casting out demons in the name of Jesus, but are not a part of “our” (us) group. Jesus tells them to leave them alone as long as they (them) are not against “us” they are for “us”.

    There is a lot to discuss here if you want to. But the problem isn’t going to go away, only get worse.

    And if you think that the elections in November will solve the problem, then you are simply part of the problem.

    53 degrees and fog has settled in after a clear cool night.


  38. poohpity says:

    There is one scripture that nails down the “Us and Them” thinking to a tee. It begins with “Them” thinking and then turns those fingers pointing back to “Us” which is pleasing to God. See if you can identify “Us and Them”.

    Luke 18: Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: 10 “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

    13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ 14 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

  39. poohpity says:

    There is no justification for breaking any law. The sad part in all this destruction is ruining the very statues that represent the lessons we have learned from our failures and the worst part is the ignorance of our history often seem to not even know about the people the statues represent. The statues represent “Us” at different times in our history.

    In a spiritual sense that is like saying that one sin is worse than another but we all know that to God that is not true at all. So I think that both Mart, in this post and the last one, and Andy were trying to get us to see that “Us” the human race are sinners that is one thing we have in common but if we believe that there are degrees of sin then we may not even get a glimpse of God’s forgiveness, grace or mercy to experience the magnitude of His love.

    So lawlessness would be common to mankind it may not be exhibited in the same ways and some may be in secret but every human being breaks the laws of God and those established by man. Think of that the next time the speed limit says 45 and you go 50. Shoot think about just the guidelines that were set up on here and how many followed them. Breaking the law always effects others in some form or fashion whether it is destroying property or calling someone names.

  40. poohpity says:

    Adam and Eve are “Us”(the human race) they had only one law to follow.

  41. SFDBWV says:

    When things aren’t going your way in life who or what do you blame?

    In order to cure racism you need to know what causes it.

    In the simplest terms I can imagine the cause of racism is the same problem the world has in general, “sin”.

    I can’t cure sin, governments can’t cure sin, jail can’t and neither can the new social bullying that has overtaken the world, cure it.

    Jesus overcame it, but didn’t cure it. It still exists in the world and even in believers. Believer’s sins are “covered”, a believer is still capable of committing a sin.

    When Obama was running for election and the recording of his pastor spewing racial hatred in a sermon in his all black church. It would seem that being a Christian, being a pastor didn’t stop him at all from what he said nor how he felt.

    Being white myself how do you think listening to that settled into my being?

    That’s ok, because to listen to some, his racial bias is warranted.

    Whereas if it upset me, I am considered a racist, by racists in general.

    Racism, like anger, is contagious, it breeds itself.

    Andy Stanley thinks that if we all lived together that racism would disappear. It’s a sweet idea, but it has not worked since the world began.

    The best any of us can do is treat people the best we can without prejudice. However that won’t stop prejudice from existing nor will it stop prejudice from causing division, civil unrest and racism directed at you, me or others.

    We are only able to control our own actions and even that is sometimes influenced by actions outside our ability to control or prevent.


  42. Beloved says:

    Yet, I can do all things through Christ- Who strengthens me. There is no defense for sin; only Jesus justifies us to the Father. Full of justice mercy goodness peace and our hope as citizens of the Kingdom here on earth. All have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.

  43. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 3:5-6 New International Version (NIV)

    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
    and lean not on your own understanding;
    6 in all your ways submit to him,
    and he will make your paths straight.

  44. Beloved says:

    See My Utmost, 23rd.

  45. poohpity says:

    I thought what Andy Stanley said was to overcome racism which he associated with fear was to get to know people that are different than you are. We all already live together but does one associate with people that are different then they are or do they stay in little tribal groups with no desire to break through and overcome the chains that bind us? To reach out and put aside hatred to get to know someone rather than do something that has been developed over generations. Racism is a learned behavior so if we can learn it we sure can unlearn it.

  46. jeff1 says:

    It is extremists who create fear and distrust which consequently causes others to stay in their groups as birds of a feather flock together to my thinking.

    The truth is we don’t trust each other because of history and so it is only by
    evolving and each generation learning from the mistakes of the previous that we progress.

    Mr Stanley is a forward thinker and will no doubt find solutions that a previous generation did not have the incentive to as whether I see it or not I cannot help becoming part of the problem.

    I am influenced by what happens around me and so I develope biases of one kind or another and denying that won’t change that fact.

    God is the only rightful Judge which is why we put our trust in Him.

    The problem isn’t the colour of our skins or different religions but our desire to control and that is a human condition that effect’s us all and until I submit to God I will remain as guilty of being part of the problem as the next person because only God is righteous and until I give up the right to myself I am not on God’s side but He is most definitely on mine when I take the blinkers of long enough to see it.

  47. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    Have so enjoyed reading some of the comments on this blog topic. I haven’t read all of them yet because I wanted to listen to Mr. Stanley’s 28 minute sermon before reading all of the comments on this topic. Mart was so adamant that we listen to Andy Stanley’s message that he referenced it twice in this blog topic, and he’s never done that before. Plus, many of you on this blog had already listened to it.
    So, I listened to it, and it was so PHENOMENAL! I’m gonna share it with every friend in my inner circle of friends! I’m seriously overwhelmed by what Mr. Stanley shared in his 28 minute message. I wanted to cry, my heart was saying, “Amen!”, I wanted to shake Mr. Stanley’s hand for so eloquently telling the truth.
    I think Andy so eloquently explained why Christians got out there and protested with the masses about the deaths of so many (or at least several) black people. Oh my goodness, every Pastor and every Christian in the world needs to hear, This Human Race: Your Move With Andy Stanley! After hearing Mr. Stanley’s sermon, when I looked (again) at that picture Mart shared in this blog topic I saw man in the hands of God. I was SO blessed by what I heard! And, just out of curiosity, is Andy Stanley Pastor Charles Stanley’s son?

    So enjoyed reading ROMANS 5 today, and here’s my quick summation: A relationship with Jesus equals: salvation, sanctification, justification, reconciliation and righteousness.

    The lone star state got a lot of rain today, and I loved every minute of it!

    Love to all,

  48. foreverblessed says:

    So I listened to Andy Stanley too.
    He really is full of what he has to say:
    Wheep with those who wheel
    As Jesus stood by the room of Lazarus, and paused, and He was with them in their sorrow.
    Being empatic.
    As Jesus was.
    But Jesus also knew that He came to bring the solution:
    The Cross.
    That is what I read in the Utmost of today:
    Jesus is certain, that He is the solution to the problem of sin.
    EVERYThing can be made new through the Cross.

    Made new!
    I had to think about that now that we have renewed our bathroom: 35 years old it was, and now it is new.
    (What a terrible noise to get the old one out, and the drilling in the concrete to get the new water pipes, ( how do you call that, the water drain? And dust.)

    Oh how wonderful that everything will be made new.
    But today that is done in my heart, as I am connected to Jesus.
    A branch to the vine. John 15:5
    Water coming out of my inner parts John 7:38

    But what to do?
    Sitting at the feet of Jesus, coming to Test in Him, and waiting what He tells me, waiting.
    Instead of going out and do things out of my own my own motivation.
    I’d rather pray about it, and before I hear His Words to me,and let God work in my own heart.

  49. foreverblessed says:

    Because of the wrong spelling in the above comment:

    Jesus stood at the tomb of Lazarus
    And paused

    Jesus wept
    John 11:35

    Weep with those who weep
    Do not rationalise their fear, facts don’t take away fear.
    But the comfort of the Spirit does take away fear.

    Comfort by the same comfort whereby we have been comforted

  50. jeff1 says:

    Forever, facts don’t take away fear, quite the opposite they add to it.

    But comfort is not going to stop another’s fear whatever the good intentions of it.

    I can empathize with others but people who fear want to see change from what they fear or fact remains that their fear is justified.

    An example being there are areas in NI that are hostile to the English and knowing that I would not advise an English person to enter them so me offering comfort to an English person won’t change that fact.

    We are up against evil and in my experiences a person who isn’t considering God doesn’t play by God’s rules.

    If I change the scenario and there are die hard protestant areas that it would not be safe for a Roman Catholic to enter their fear is also justified and all the empathy I give won’t change that fact.

    Steve has a point Mr Stanley’s idea is sweet but reality is we are dealing with people with no respect for life nor God and that is what makes them an enemy of God to my way of thinking.

    We are dealing with human nature often at its worst and the fact that we are all human makes me as infallible as those who oppose what values I deem to be right but why should they see me as right anymore than I them.

    It’s by mutual respect I accept others differences but when other”s difference infringe on another”s rights it gets messy and that is the reality of the world we live in.

  51. SFDBWV says:

    We have been all over the place in these past subjects. About how people misuse the Bible for their purposes, about how some just simply misinterpret what the Bible says.

    As well as those who look exactly for what they want the Bible to say, using a library of interpretations and references to do so.

    Back when I was a younger man and led the youth group in my church a lady friend who aided me with the job disagreed with me that we should teach from the reading of the OT.

    I have thought about that difference of opinion for years. As even now as we come to discuss “us and them” the subject arises again.

    The story of the Tower of Babel comes to mind (Genesis 11:6-7 KJV) notice the use of the words “us and “they”.

    “Us and they” denote there being a difference between two factions.

    A small departure from the base subject, but if you look at Genesis 9:6 KJV you see the first mention from God that anyone who kills another man is to pay with his life for it.

    The story of the Tower of Babel is where mankind was by the will and action of God divided into different nations, speaking different languages.

    Anyone would have to agree if you don’t speak the same language there is a mistrust of what the other person is saying.

    So not only do people who speak the same language group together they are they and others are others.

    An argument could be made that even people who speak the same language use it differently, even understand it differently, especially where the catalyst of religion comes into play.

    The point is that it was God who created different nations of people.

    Fast forward past thousands of years of these nations developing their own cultures and religions to the coming of Christianity.

    Whereby peter says Christians are “a holy nation” (1 Peter 2:9 KJV).

    We become separate from the rest of the humankind spiritually. “us and them”

    Just like speaking a different language, you can’t relate to them and they to us. There is a division between.

    More on this subject, but for now I must get to my earthly duties.


  52. SFDBWV says:

    Ok so let me ask you this question, when you saw the killing of these black men by police officers on TV, did you see an immoral act, an incompetent act, or a racial one?

    Be careful and truthful with the answer you have in your heart.

    A racist sees an act of racism first.

    What then should a Christian see first?

    Is the answer as simple as absolutes? Or is the answer a blend of what is actually on your heart and in your mind.

    I am going to add a thorn once again into this story and say that more black men are killed by other black men than white men and certainly by police.

    How do you see my statement?

    A racist statement or just a statement of facts.

    The answer you have in your heart and in your mind, just may identify your own place in humankind.


  53. Beloved says:

    Oh what a mess you had with concrete dust and noise!! Change is usually messy though. New heavens and a new earth God promised us! That’s so worth the wait while God works change in my life. My foundation of sin was shattered by the cross; shattered! My Utmost is a good reminder today. There is nothing good in me, only what God puts in me. We can only give to others what we have received— whether good, or bad. On the topic them and us I think of embracing- like Andy talked about- embracing others in their pain and suffering. Empathy as you mentioned. Take it to the LORD in prayer because we have a friend in Jesus!

  54. Beloved says:

    To answer your question Steve I myself saw sin. Destructive evil. All have sinned no matter what color. I saw sin toward blacks whites latinos Indians etc. But then I remembered grace and I was calmed knowing that Jesus loved the least of these… even me.

  55. poohpity says:

    The human race was created in the image of God so we can either build walls to separate us into our little tribal sections or as followers of Christ we can build bridges of understanding meant to bring us together. Human kind everyone of us has evil intent within our hearts but we can listen to that or to the Spirit of God who has given us new life in Christ. Human kind is God’s masterpiece created in Christ Jesus to do the good He planned for us to do long ago. We have a choice to go to God or walk away to follow the flesh.

  56. Beloved says:

    Grace: undeserved favor of God no matter what color or what biases we all carry in one way shape or form. Thinking it’s the devil that tries to trap us unto categories of justifying or blaming others for ours and the worlds problems. That’s my political take on the world today.

  57. poohpity says:

    Steve, I think the only important answer would be what did you see so you are aware of what is in your own heart?

  58. Beloved says:

    All sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans Beware the accuser of the brethren who seeks to steal kill and destroy our faith hope and trust in God. He’s ever on the prowl.

  59. SFDBWV says:

    Actually Viv has spoken very wisely concerning our current subject.

    Rioting, destruction of property, disorderly conduct, revenge, even what some like to call “peaceful” demonstrations or marches are not within the confines of what is the example and teaching of Jesus concerning anything.

    Only the changing of a heart can change anything positively, and it is God in us that enables that to happen, nothing else.


  60. bratimus says:

    Here is how I’m going to answers Steve’s question.

    I would rather see these cases tried in a court of law, then in the court of public opinion.

    When Mayors, DA’s or any elected official have news conferences where public opinion comes into play. They are actually obstructing justice by going around the court of law and due process.

    There is my answer

    Now since the case are out floating in the court of public opinion. If you really want to hear my answer we case would you like to discuss. They are all different.

    In Christ Jesus name


  61. Beloved says:

    Agree Viv has a lot more first hand experience than some of us. Respect is the beginning but as you said Steve only God can change the heart.

    When I was growing up respect was of utmost importance to my parents; to disagree with anything they said or did was punished- severely. But respect without Truth is the theme of our culture nowadays. And it’s very dangerous more and more to speak Truth. Which must be spoken in love. And love revealed our sins so we could know we have a Savior! Awesome!

  62. jeff1 says:

    I think that evil should not distract us from pursuing the values we know
    to be right and most people aspire to and leave lawlessness to those God has appointed and better equipped to deal with it.

    A friend once said everyman to their job and the less Christians get involved in politics the better I believe.

  63. bratimus says:

    Might have to “tare” through politics here and there, to get to the one little wheat stuck in a thistle patch.

    In Christ Jesus name


  64. poohpity says:

    I would hope that more Christ followers would get involved by holding seats in Congress and other areas of the government. That might bring some change to the way things are now-a-days as it did in years gone by that the majority of those in DC were Christ followers or we would not even have our Constitution or the Bill of Rights that all men are created equal by their Creator with certain unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

  65. jeff1 says:

    Maybe, but I’ve seen too much of corrupt politics.

    My dad’s wisdom was God driven and why he was an honest man because he knew what to avoid.

    His job was in Government and I recall he was given a bag of potatoes a gift from a farmer he had helped fill out forms for.

    To our astonishment he told my mum he would be taking them into work and giving them to his superior.

    We laughed at him but what my dad said stuck with me and his words were “Today it’s a bag of potatoes,” and by that he meant it’s a slippery slope to wrong doing and he wasn’t about to get of on the wrong footing.

    It wasn’t until revelations of politicians making false claims did I see my dad’s insight to how easy it is to be tempted.

    That’s wisdom that was rare back in the day and it came from a man whose greatest desire was to please God and not help himself.

  66. street says:

    thinking about a court of law. difficult thoughts.
    when a court tries and convicts a person that is innocent. you have to wonder, if they never committed the crime, how in the world did they get charged tried and convicted? sounds like a different kind of lynching. oswald chambers is pretty good today and deals with this issue. so does GALATIANS 4:8–20. learning to abide and walk in the Spirit. not law. thinking the law, vs the righteous shall live by faith, is the frame or jig in which the Spirit is glorified. tutors are everywhere. the law fades way in the presents of Christ. remeber how glorious an event the receiving the law was? it faded away in the presents of Christ. we don’t see Christ? should we return to the law? He promised a helper.

    second thought about a trial, the defendant will be asked why they do what they did. the the actions of the righteous will show that they tried to reduce or prevent a worse outcome. the wicked will prove they were the cause of the bad outcome.

    when Jesus was silent at His trial a conviction was guaranteed.

    18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say,

    Mark 14:63
    The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked.

    “If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matt 7:11)

    Acts 1:8
    But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

  67. poohpity says:

    street, Rome conquered Israel but didn’t Jesus follow their rules even down to paying taxes just as He guided us to do under the government we find ourselves living in?

  68. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and bGg… Steve, to answer your question, I saw an “incompetent act” in the George Floyd case, and (in my heart) I didn’t see racism or immorality nor was I thinking about racism or immorality. [Though I can see how “morality” could’ve been an issue in the Floyd case.] I saw an extreme amount of force to subdue a man who was already subdued (he had handcuffs on!) and I didn’t understand why?

    I saw an “incompetent act” (rookie police officers–Garrett Rolfe and Devin Brosnan) and “disobedience/disregard for the law” (Rayshard Brooks) in the Brooks case. Hind-sight is 20/20… Mr. Brooks should have just followed directions—period. I believe (in my heart) if Brooks had followed directions, the officers would not have reacted so forcefully.

    I’m reading a book by Billy Graham titled, “Hear My Heart: What I Would Say to You” today, and I was *shocked* when I read a passage that was totally reminiscent and in agreement with the Andy Stanley sermon I heard yesterday. I’ll share the passage here…

    “Racism is a sin precisely because it keeps us from obeying God’s command to love our neighbor, and because it has its roots in pride and arrogance. Christians who harbor racism in their attitudes or actions are not following their Lord at this point, for Christ came to bring reconciliation—reconciliation between us and God, and reconciliation between each other. He came to accept us as we are, whoever we are, “from every tribe and language and people and nation” (Revelation 5:9, NIV).

    Tragically, too often in the past, evangelical Christians have turned a blind eye to racism or have been willing to stand aside while others took the lead in racial reconciliation, saying it was not our responsibility. (Pastor Billy admitted sharing in that blame). as a result, many efforts toward reconciliation in America have lacked a Christian foundation and may not outlive the immediate circumstances that brought them into existence. Our consciences should be stirred to repentance by how far we have fallen short of what God asks us to be as his agents of reconciliation.

    Racism, therefore, is not only a social problem: because racism is a sin, it is also a moral and spiritual issue. Legal and social efforts to obliterate racism (or at least to curb its more onerous effects) have a legitimate place. Only the supernatural love of God, however, can change our hearts in a lasting way and replace hatred and indifference with love and active compassion.

    No other force exists besides the church that can bring people together week after week and deal with their deepest hurts and suspicions. Of all people, Christians should be the most active in reaching out to those of other races, instead of accepting the status quo of division and animosity.

    The issues that face us are complex and enormous, and simply wishing they would go away will not solve them. I do not pretend to know the full answer. But let those of us who claim the name of Christ repent of our past failures and, relying on the Holy Spirit, demonstrate to a weary and frightened world that Christ indeed “has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility… through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility” (Ephesians 2:14-16, NIV).”

    80 degrees (feels like 84 degrees) under a clear sky in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  69. street says:

    think about Jesus trials before israel and pilot. not one time is there anything brought up against roman rule not even a complaint or murmur. there was nothing said in this regard. 7 The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God.” 8 Therefore when Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid;

    Jews cried out saying, “If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out to be a king opposes Caesar.”

    i think pilate understood that israel opposed caesar too, it’s just Jesus was not the king they wanted.

    He who sits in the heavens laughs,
    The Lord scoffs at them.
    Then He will speak to them in His anger
    And terrify them in His fury, saying,
    “But as for Me, I have installed My King
    Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

    “I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:
    He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
    Today I have begotten You.
    ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
    And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
    ‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
    You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”

  70. jeff1 says:

    I think the more I see how difficult it is to be a Christian the more I see I am not one.

    I believe Christ died for the sins of the world but I see myself as a sinner saved by grace and not a follower of Christ as truth is I have been failing to meet the requirements.

    It is in hindsight I see I am the worst of sinner’s and that was me trying to get it right and so I know how Paul must have felt
    as the more I try the more I am convicted.

  71. jeff1 says:

    If I rest in Christ today it is because that failure has wearied me both body and spirit.

    May the road rise to meet you.
    May the wind be always at your back.
    May the sun shine warm upon your face;
    the rain fall soft upon your fields
    and until we meet again,
    may God hold you
    in the palm of His hand.

  72. SFDBWV says:

    Don’t be fooled by the events you see or hear in the news. I agree fully with Regina in that the stories of these men being killed are a combination of incompetence and fear, it is not a racial issue.

    However you are being scammed by political forces bent on using the events to further their political goals. And fueled by a reactionist news media.

    Sadly the players in this scenario use the pain of racism in order to stir up the black communities and the guilt in whites for past sins.

    Our way of life is under attack, including Christianity.

    51 clear with patchy fog.


  73. jeff1 says:

    It took me a life time to see how murky the world of politics is.

    Politicians here from both sides of the divide used religious difference’s to do likewise, Steve, with the media playing a big part coming alongside them.

    You are right if my experiences are anything to go by.

    Put your hand in the hand of the man who stills the water.
    Put your hands in the hand of the man who calms the sea.
    Take a look at yourself and you may look at others differently.
    Put your hands in the hand of the man from Galilee.

  74. poohpity says:

    I always try to remember that our fight is NOT against flesh and blood but the powers of darkness. A nation can not stand when it is divided against it’s self which is what the powers of darkness try to do and it starts in the heart of each person, one person at a time until the mob is formed.

    Regina, I really enjoyed that teaching from Pastor Billy Graham it reminded me of the song that I learned as a little child.

    Jesus loves the little children
    All the children of the world
    Red, brown, yellow
    Black and white
    They are precious in His sight
    Jesus loves the little children
    Of the world

    Jesus died for all the children
    All the children of the world
    Red, brown, yellow
    Black and white
    They are precious in His sight
    Jesus died for all the children
    Of the world.

    Jesus rose for all the children
    All the children of the world
    Red, brown, yellow
    Black and white
    They are precious in His sight
    Jesus rose for all the children
    Of the world

    God created a variety for us to enjoy and embrace, all with red blood pulsing through our veins.

  75. poohpity says:

    Viv, God knew that we would never do every right that was the very reason He sent Jesus. We are not made holy by what we do but because of who lives within us. “There but for the grace of God go I”. In humility we rely on the grace of God not on our own feeble attempts at perfection.

  76. poohpity says:

    That one line in that song Viv, “Take a look at yourself and you may look at others differently.” pretty much sums up the point that Mart was making when he quoted Jesus saying, “If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matt 7:11)

  77. jeff1 says:

    Surely He has given me the greatest gift in Christ and why I ask today “who am I that the King would live and die for.”

    “Why me Lord,” what have I ever done to deserve even one of the treasures I’ve known.
    “Thank you”, Lord, may you show some one else what I’ve been through myself on my way back to you.
    “Lord, help me,” Jesus, I’ve wasted it so help me Jesus, you know what I am, now that I know that I’ve needed you so help me Jesus my soul’s in your hand. Jesus my soul’s in your hand.

  78. SFDBWV says:

    A few posts back I mentioned a family needing to bury their loved one and I said no one dies alone around here.

    I am going to the cemetery here in a little bit to attend to another family needing a burial plot.

    I live in an area of small towns several miles apart from each other. Though each town has its own identity we are all connected by family ties, a common geography and economy.

    Even though we are located differently we are the same.

    Between us in the past couple weeks we have seen 9 people die.
    Each death in one way or another is connected to each of us.

    In this matter there is no “us and them”, only we.


  79. bratimus says:

    The “WE” in me posted that this whole racism divide is a trap.

    In the Bible Jesus got angry at the vendors selling their good at the temple entrance, knock over tables and chasing them off.

    Here in the United States for years now racism has been sold by vendors, and a few even go with the title Rev. in front of their names it is very lucrative business. I heard that this blm vendor has made over a billion dollars in donations since the protest started, that is a lot of selling.

    There is hate in the United States, hate is something that has been on Earth a little after the first humans walked on Earth. Remember where the hate comes from.

    You can call a rose by any other name, but it is still a rose.

    You can call hate racism, but it is still hate, remember where hate comes from.

    You can call them protesters, the mob or activist, they are just vendors trying to sell there goods. What are they really trying to sell, it is hate. “WE” all know where that comes from.

    It the United States it is “WE the people”, that is at the beginning of the governing Authority of the United States.

    It is “WE the Body of Christ” is the church.

    WE better start coming together or many will be lost!

    In Christ Jesus name


  80. bratimus says:

    Luke 13:22-35


  81. Beloved says:

    Them and us

    “ there are those who actually revel in their afflictions—they are a source of pity and emotional leverage against others.” Ref

    I was thinking of the paralytic in John5 who Jesus asked if he wanted to be healed. He didn’t ask Jesus. When asked later how he was walking and carrying his mat on the Sabbath (broke the law) he said he didn’t know. Later Jesus revealed who he really was, not just a good man and a great teacher.

    Sometimes the difference between them and us is not all that different. Sometimes even though in this country and most others everyone has heard about Jesus yet they don’t ask seek or knock for themselves. Sometimes Jesus just shows up and asks “Do you want to be healed?” Judging is harder to do when it’s the Savior we really stand with. He does not judge- yet- but there is a day coming; perhaps today.

  82. Beloved says:

    Thanks Bratimus for the good reminder.

  83. street says:

    jeff1 says:
    June 25, 2020 at 4:03 am

    I think the more I see how difficult it is to be a Christian the more I see I am not one.

    12 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,’ for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    Matthew 9:11
    When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, “Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?” us and them sinario

    Romans 3:23
    for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Luke 5:32
    I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”

    Luke 6:32
    If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

    Luke 6:34
    If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount.

    36 Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to dine with him, and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner; and when she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38 and standing behind Him at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and kept wiping them with the hair of her head, and kissing His feet and anointing them with the perfume.

    thinking of a living hope.

    pouring out her life as an aroma to Christ. Jesus said she was anointing Him for burial. did she understand why she was anointing Jesus and that He would soon be crucified for her to pay her sin debt? the shock and tears of His death were removed and done away with by the resurrection. we have been brought very near to God.

    sanctify Savior as Lord in your heart.

    putting and end to sin and death, Jesus, life giving Spirit.

    God will be glorified by mankind. should we continue in sin that grace would abound?

    thinking about the sinners/saints around the thrown of God. when did we even see you in need? grace is free and unexpected. thinking of c s lexis, surprised by joy. never read the book but the title appropriate/fitting

    if we have been brought near to God could we bring Him near to others in time of distress?

    priest-mediator between God and man. only One High Priest.

    intercessor, evangelist, cross bearer….

    “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” Acts 9:4

    Christ in me the hope of Salvation.

  84. bratimus says:

    When you see how hard it is to be a Christian in a fallen broken world and question if you one.

    “WElcome to the family of Christ.” I’m more afraid of those who don’t question themselves in there faith.

    In Christ Jesus name


  85. jeff1 says:

    That’s reassuring Bratimus as I have struggled with doubts yet in my heart there is no doubt.

  86. street says:

    5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.GALATIANS 5:5-6

    sometimes its hard to be eager. sometimes i just have to shake my head and other times just lol to keep from going crazy. Jesus is a Rock, not me. the clay and the iron will pass away, but the Word of the Lord remains forever. the barren ground bears fruit. mine needs sifted and burned. the repentance of a sinner and the blood of Christ are sufficient. learning to follow or turn to God throughout the day and night.

    i do understand the saints are living stones not clay and iron. joined together in the Spirit. each doing it’s part in the body, living Temple of God.

    “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”GALATIANS 4:30 law vs promise

    our faith is based on a promise of the One Who made it, not the law, faith in law does not end well for no one keeps the law.

    Who Promised? never changes. He’s not safe, but He is Good! the other is not safe and he is truly evil.

  87. foreverblessed says:

    Blessed are the poor in spirit!

    When we know that we are poor in love, poor in wisdom,
    Then we can ask for love, wisdom, patience.
    Because in Jesus we have all we need.
    Not because of what we have,
    But because of the fountains that flow from our inner parts, out of the Spirit
    John 7:38

    That is so wonderfull.
    I was really encouraged by Utmost from yesterday and today:
    Make your worries, your frustration into prayers, lay it at the altar of Jesus!
    And ask for the spiritual blessings!
    Jesus is Lord overall.
    He is capable, we are not.
    But in Him we are!

    I remember Corrie ten Boom, the Holy Spirit told her to go into prison, somewhere in South America, and visit a really criminal man.
    She said: “Lord, I cannot do this”
    Jesus answered:
    “Finally you get it, the truth: that you cannot do it. No you can’t. But I can do it through you”
    I- being Jesus.

    Jesus in us does it.
    Corrie only had to get up and go to the prison.
    She had to go, that was her part.

    ( This was for you Jeff)

  88. jeff1 says:

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold on to
    This is the promise, this is the promise
    I made to you

    I never said that friends wouldn’t turn their backs on you or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    So just keep on walking, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and your gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  89. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Street for all your Bible verses.
    ” I desire mercy and not sacrifice.
    This time it hit me that Jesus said: you have to learn what that means.
    What is that mercy now in this Black live matters?
    I meditate on that.
    Thank you for the Billy Graham sermon on racism
    That he said that evangelicals failed in the reconciliation on slavery, based on Christ. So it misses spiritual foundation.
    Evangelicals said: it was not our responsibility!
    People were captured, and sold as slaves, and set to work in plantations. It was the profit of the plantations: slave work.
    That was their business setup: make profit through cheap labor.

    It was wrong, And we ought to apologise for that.
    We, because of what our ancestors did.

    That is what Jesus said:
    I desire mercy!

    To say that demonstrations are wrong, that it is harbouring hate…
    That is the part of the “others” the ones that suffer from their slave forefathers.
    Only Jesus can restore the heart, but apologising is our part.
    Did we do that???

    I am now talking about us and them, in the sense of a wrong that has been done, and not yet healed.
    Us our forefathers who got slaves out of Africa, put them in boats, and transported them as cattle, and made them work…
    And “”them” the ancestors of those slaves.

    Reconciliation through Christ.

    “I desire mercy and not sacrifice”
    Jesus’ words.

  90. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    jeff1 (re: your comment on 6-25-2020 @ 4:03 am), like some of our fellow BTA bloggers, I think you’re too hard on yourself. You did, on some level, consider the life example of Paul. And I’m sure you remember that he had a serious “thorn in the flesh,” and he pleaded to God to take it away. But God told him that His grace was sufficient… God’s Words are still reverberating through time, and we all (on numerous occasions) have to use God’s encouraging words given to Paul to encourage ourselves. A song comes to mind for you…

    “Encourage Yourself” (Shirley Moffet-Jones)

    Will only share one stanza:

    Sometimes you… have to encourage yourself
    Sometimes you, have to speak *victory* during the test
    And no matter how you feel…
    Speak the Word, and you will be healed—
    Speak over yourself, encourage yourself—
    In the Lord—

    Also want to refer you to one of my favorite Bible passages as it has been a major source of encouragement for me throughout my 53 years of life. It reminds me that I’m not alone in my desperate struggle for righteousness and holiness…

    Romans 7:14-25, TLB (Though it’s SUPER encouraging in any translation)

    14 The law is good, then, and the trouble is not there but with me because I am sold into slavery with Sin as my owner.

    15 I don’t understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I can’t. I do what I don’t want to—what I hate.
    16 I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience proves that I agree with these laws I am breaking.
    17 But I can’t help myself because I’m no longer doing it. It is sin inside me that is stronger than I am that makes me do these evil things.

    18 I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn I can’t make myself do right. I want to but I can’t.
    19 When I want to do good, I don’t; and when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway.
    20 Now if I am doing what I don’t want to, it is plain where the trouble is: sin still has me in its evil grasp.

    21 It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
    22 I love to do God’s will so far as my new nature is concerned;
    23-25 but there is something else deep within me, in my lower nature, that is at war with my mind and wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. In my mind I want to be God’s willing servant, but instead I find myself still enslaved to sin.

    So you see how it is: my new life tells me to do right, but the old nature that is still inside me loves to sin. Oh, what a terrible predicament I’m in! Who will free me from my slavery to this deadly lower nature? Thank God! It has been done by Jesus Christ our Lord. He has set me free.

    I pray that this Bible passage is an abiding source of comfort for you too.

    Steve, re: Racism or Incompetence in the two police altercations that we discussed—I thought about all of the other cases of police *brutality (the use of too much force) that have occurred far too many times over the past 3 or 4 months, and I believe that the masses of Protestors that were in the streets of (almost) every city… every state and (almost) every country are trying to say through their marches that “too much force” has been happening far too often for people to just turn a “blind eye” and look the other way.

    Will write more later on (have some words/thoughts that I want to share with pooh)… I have to hurry on to my morning chores.

    Are you ready for ROMANS 6, bratimus and forever? :-)

    74 degrees under a partly cloudy sky…

    Love to all,

  91. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Forever, for helping me to understand how Christ works through me and my part in it and what to pray for.

    I fret about what I should pray for but have found that God has strengthened me in my distress and I am amazed.

    My wandering thought’s are a distraction and cause me to get confused hence doubt sets in and I am in a cycle of disturbed thoghts and blaming my lack of faith.

    Always takes others faith, i.e. church and taking of Holy Communion to give me assurance that God hasn’t give up on me.

    Seems I give up on myself more than He does.

    That is what truly astonishes me His faithfulness despite lack of mine.

    Just a closer walk with thee required.

  92. SFDBWV says:

    In the past Mart has used “what if “situations in his attempt to make us think.

    If you will permit me I am going to use a purely fictional situation in my attempt to make a point.

    A husband and wife married 20 years in what would be described as a normal relationship with each other, when one day the husband finds out that his wife had been cheating sexually with another man for all of those 20 years.

    There is a confrontation whereby the wife says she will give up her lover if they can stay married and never return to her wayward ways. The husband agrees and they begin a renewed relationship.

    However as time passes it starts eating at the husband more and more and he begins to bring up the issue every time an opportunity arises.

    The wife says I am sorry, I gave up that relationship years ago, over and over time and time again, but the husband keeps bringing up the issue even though he had agreed to stay married.

    He has never forgiven her in his heart even if he has said he has with his mouth.

    The relationship is wrecked because of past sins and cannot be healed until there is forgiveness, real honest forgiveness.

    When is enough, enough for people who can’t get past the past?


  93. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Regina, for your verses speak of the turmoil within me.

    My head problems add to my turmoil and so I understand Paul’s thorn in the side.

    I have come to terms that my head is likewise to me and so God’s grace is sufficient for I have inherited my mum’s instability of mind.

    Paul understood that God had good reasoms for leaving the thorn in his side
    and so I am encouraged by Paul that God knows best.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    I know that in my country they have not really apologised.
    Even if they have abolished slavery in the 19th Century.
    The reason they don’t us a money thing, a legal one:
    Paying a compensation.

    As it has taken more than 40 years to apologise for the mistreatment of Jews in WW2, because of the money involved that if would cost. Jews who had lost their houses and their belongings. And they came back from the concentration camps. They did not get their homes back, nor their belongings. They were not helped in the municipality. That is my own country, who did not help.
    It took more than 40 years till this was settled.

    “I desire mercy, not sacrifice”

  95. poohpity says:

    The hard facts are many try to disguise hate and lawlessness in many forms even to lead others to think it is a just cause but the actions always show the true intent of the heart. One can blame and make excuses for their actions until the cows come home but the fact remains if one truly believes in their slogan like BLM BUT what have they done to help the very people they say they are marching for? Have they lifted a hand to lessen the burdens or have they caused more burdens to be piled on those they say they are marching for?

    People “say” many things but normally for the radicals that is all it is, words followed by destruction. I will never listen nor will I apologize to anyone who harms the very people they say represent. The old saying that they are causing more harm than good fits so very well with all this. There are helpful and right ways to invoke change, even to protest but that is not what is happening around the USA or the world for that matter at this time. I do not see anyone from BLM cleaning up inner city neighborhoods, feeding the hungry, starting activities to keep kids off of the streets, pushing for school choice, helping the many entrepreneurs get businesses started or stopping the black on black crime they do nothing but talk and destroy.

    If you really what to find out more about the wolves in sheep’s clothing look at who is donating to the BLM movement. Who is it that is supporting or funding this so called movement and what do they have to gain from all this anarchy?

  96. jeff1 says:

    Look to God for both mercy and justice and you will not be disappointed.

    The world cannot give you what it doesn’t comprehend and if we expect it too then we will be sorely disappointed.

    Those who do evil feel justified which is why they do not feel the need to apologize.

    We talk of forgiveness but rarely practice it and that is the reality in a world that doesn’t heed God.

    We speak of vengeance being God’s but do we believe it or do we act as God’s avengers and call it justice.

    If I left vengeance with God He might correct those I would rather see punished and that is the truth that I don’t want to hear but it’s the truth that God presses home to me today because God has set boundaries that are outside my jurisdiction and for very good reasons saying it is He who controls them.

    C.S. Lewis do not behave as if God does not exist….how often do I do that!

  97. poohpity says:

    I will give you a hint it certainly isn’t rich black people that are funding this movement because they know what it is to overcome and be part of this Republic. This is just another form of slavery to the whims of those who want our country to fail and fall into their hands to rule.

  98. poohpity says:

    How about those who do not feel the need to apologize for something they did not do?!?

  99. Beloved says:

    It’s so easy to demonize the underdog and even the authoritarian ruler- little do we know the very one we demonize is us.

    “That man that woman perfect in Christ Jesus!” Oswald Chambers

  100. Beloved says:

    I read Psalm105 last evening. It was a good reminder of how God works to save and help His people. Not an easy road then, and now. Each of our lives is lived out in the shadow of our forebearers, what I do today with what God has laid before me is up to me. “I desire mercy, not sacrifice”. “Choose you this day whom you will serve”.

  101. bratimus says:

    I’m going to borrow Steve parable, by adding to it.

    Let us say that the wife dies and the husband never really for gave her. Few years pass and the man finds another wife a good and faithful wife. Do to the past sins of the first wife the husband starts accusing and questioning the second wife. The second wife has not done as the first has done, but gets the misery and suffering of the first wife’s sins, how can someone else be forgiven for another’s past sins. Apologizing for something you didn’t do, helps no one. Is it not the lack of forgiveness in the husband from the first wife, that makes him sin against his second wife.

    For isn’t false accusation on the innocent a form of bondage, to oppress!!!

    In Christ Jesus name


  102. Beloved says:

    Pooh I see ODB mentioned you today.

  103. Beloved says:

    Thinking about biblical examples of apologizing…

    1 John 1:9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Genesis 50:15-21
    When Joseph’s brothers saw that their father was dead, they said, “What if Joseph bears a grudge against us and pays us back in full for all the wrong which we did to him!” So they sent a message to Joseph, saying, “Your father charged before he died, saying, ‘Thus you shall say to Joseph, “Please forgive, I beg you, the transgression of your brothers and their sin, for they did you wrong.”’ And now, please forgive the transgression of the servants of the God of your father.” And Joseph wept when they spoke to him.read more.
    Then his brothers also came and fell down before him and said, “Behold, we are your servants.” But Joseph said to them, “Do not be afraid, for am I in God’s place? As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive. So therefore, do not be afraid; I will provide for you and your little ones.” So he comforted them and spoke kindly to them.

  104. Beloved says:

    More examples

    Anger and Reconciliation
    (Luke 12:57-59)
    21You have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not murder,’ and ‘Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’c 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brotherd will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’e will be subject to the Sanhedrin.f But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell.g

    23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

    25Reconcile quickly with your adversary, while you are still on the way to court. Otherwise, he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

  105. poohpity says:

    Beloved for several days now I have been literally crying out to the Lord for help and last night I did it with even more intensity and it gave me much rest and peace because through ODB it was an answer to my prayers. I knew God was listening and new before hand exactly when I would fall to my knees in search of an answer. It was a real blessing to read that today.

  106. poohpity says:

    John Q. Adams, sixth president of the United States, in a letter to his son, September 1811:

    “My dear Son:

    In your letter of the 18th January to your mother, you mentioned that you read to your aunt a chapter of the Bible or a section of Doddridge’s Annotations every evening.

    This information gave me real pleasure; for so great is my veneration for the Bible, and so strong my belief, that when duly read and meditated on, it is of all books in the world, that which contributes most to make men good, wise, and happy – that the earlier my children begin to read it, the more steadily they pursue the practice of reading it throughout their lives, the more lively and confident will be my hopes that they will prove useful citizens of their country, respectable members of society, and a real blessing to their parents…

    I have myself, for many years, made it a practice to read through the Bible once every year…
    My custom is to read four to five chapters every morning immediately after rising from my bed. It employs about an hour of my time…

    It is essential, my son, in order that you may go through life with comfort to yourself, and usefulness to your fellow-creatures, that you should form and adopt certain rules or principles, for the government of your own conduct and temper…

    It is in the Bible, you must learn them, and from the Bible how to practice them. Those duties are to God, your fellow-creatures, and to yourself. ïThou shalt love the Lord thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, and thy neighbor as thy self.’ On these two commandments, Jesus Christ expressly says, ïhang all the law and the prophets’; that is to say, the whole purpose of the Divine Revelation is to inculcate them efficaciously upon the minds of men…

    Let us, then, search the Scriptures… The Bible contains the revelation of the will of God. It contains the history of the creation of the world, and of mankind; and afterward the history of one peculiar nation, certainly the most extraordinary nation that has ever appeared upon the earth.

    It contains a system of religion, and of morality, which we may examine upon its own merits, independent of the sanction it receives from being the Word of God…

    I shall number separately those letters that I mean to write you upon the subject of the Bible…I wish that hereafter they may be useful to your brothers and sisters, as well as to you…” – James L. Alden. ‘Letters of John Quincy Adams to His Son on the Bible and Its Teachings’, 1850, 6-21.

  107. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    jeff1, Like pooh, I was also drawn to the words, “take a look at yourself and you may look at others differently.” It brought to mind the chorus stanza in Michael Jackson’s song, “Man in the Mirror”…

    “I’m starting with the man in the mirror–
    I’m asking him to change his ways–
    And no message could have been any clearer,
    If you want to make the world a better place
    Take a look at yourself, and make a change.”

    pooh, I’m so glad you enjoyed the teaching on confronting racism by Pastor Billy Graham. And the song you referenced, Jesus Loves the Little Children, is very fitting for the spiritual truths that Graham shared. Now, if only we can persuade people of every color, nation, tribe and tongue to genuinely *love* one another with an authentic, unrelenting, child-like love, the world would be a much better place for all mankind.

    The Lord dropped this song in my mind this morning, and I want to share it with you all…

    “Sweet Hour of Prayer”

    Sweet hour of prayer
    Sweet hour of prayer
    That calls me from a world of care
    And bids me at my Father’s throne
    Make all my wants and wishes known.

    In seasons of distress and grief,
    My soul has often found relief
    And oft escaped the tempter’s snare
    By thy return, sweet hour of prayer
    And oft escaped the tempter’s snare
    By thy return, sweet hour of prayer.

    Sweet hour of prayer
    Sweet hour of prayer
    Thy wings shall my petition bear
    To him whose truth and faithfulness
    Engage the waiting soul to bless.

    And since he bids me seek his face,
    Believe his word, and trust his grace,
    I’ll cast on him my ev’ry care
    And wait for thee, sweet hour of prayer
    I’ll cast on him my ev’ry care
    And wait for thee, sweet hour of prayer…

  108. street says:

    12 After the prophet Hananiah had broken the yoke off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 13 “Go and tell Hananiah, ‘This is what the Lord says: You have broken a wooden yoke, but in its place you will get a yoke of iron. 14 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I will put an iron yoke on the necks of all these nations to make them serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they will serve him. I will even give him control over the wild animals.’” Jeremiah 28:12-14

    thinking about yokes again.

    thinking about pharaoh. did not God raise him up to enslave His people that God would be revealed through Him? God is not going to repent for enslaving His people. it drives then to a true and good master that loves them and gives them life. i wonder if the civil war is the result of slaves praying for deliverance? i would not want a righteous person praying for my destruction. thinking of jonah. i am glad God is good all the time.

    Matthew 11:28-30
    “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

    you can not serve two yokes. beware of dualistic operating systems. God’s will and self will.

    thinking of slaves and servants who were found faithful, joseph david ruth abigail

    1 Samuel 25:26
    And now, my lord, as surely as the Lord your God lives and as you live, since the Lord has kept you from bloodshed and from avenging yourself with your own hands, may your enemies and all who are intent on harming my lord be like Nabal.

    1 Samuel 25:33-35
    33 May you be blessed for your good judgment and for keeping me from bloodshed this day and from avenging myself with my own hands. 34 Otherwise, as surely as the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, who has kept me from harming you, if you had not come quickly to meet me, not one male belonging to Nabal would have been left alive by daybreak.”

    35 Then David accepted from her hand what she had brought him and said, “Go home in peace. I have heard your words and granted your request.”

    when righteousness meets righteousness there is peace.

  109. street says:


    1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

    2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

    3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

    law of Christ to love one another as I have loved you. learn from me, Jesus

  110. poohpity says:

    Regina, I do not think we have the power to change how anyone else acts after all we have a hard enough time changing ourselves which we do know that is the work of Christ within each of us when we have surrendered ourselves to His leading. He has already equipped us with the fruit of His Spirit but sadly we often rush ahead with our own agenda and do not rely on Him. How many people take the time to stop before they say or do anything and ask for help from the Lord?

  111. street says:

    living under law makes love impossible. everything is required under a law we can not keep. the penalty is separation. the world is divided and separated because of sin. Jesus came to call out a Kingdom, Exodus. learning to follow. the one who has been forgiven much loves much. living under law also leads to bargaining and measuring justice by standards we don’t even keep or measure up too. talk about living in darkness. Jesus is the light of the world and the One Who sustains and uphold the works of His hands. God’s Word goes out and accomplishes everything it was sent out to do.

    15 I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. John 17

    20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

  112. street says:

    It is essential, my son, in order that you may go through life with comfort to yourself, and usefulness to your fellow-creatures, that you should form and adopt certain rules or principles, for the government of your own conduct and temper…

    people who worship in Spirit and Truth, the Ones God seeks.
    Jesus life giving Spirit and Truth. yes we receive great comfort from Christ and Salvation. our love will be found to be quite useful in a world where it is rare. oh let Jesus rule in your hearts.

    sanctify Christ as Lord of your heart.

  113. street says:

    thinking of another slave.
    she lost her parents and was forcibly removed from her uncle house and made to serve in another house.

    yet she served God faithfully in exile.

    Esther 7:3-5
    3 Then Queen Esther replied, “If I have found favor in your sight, O king, and if it pleases the king, let my life be given me as my petition, and my people as my request; 4 for we have been sold, I and my people, to be destroyed, to be killed and to be annihilated. Now if we had only been sold as slaves, men and women, I would have remained silent, for the trouble would not be commensurate with the annoyance to the king.” 5 Then King Ahasuerus asked Queen Esther, “Who is he, and where is he, who would presume to do thus?”

  114. street says:

    ahasuerus loved ester and so did God. humbled by what God can do in a wilderness.

    please give me strength and comfort in what jeremiah and lot saw.

    thinking of what the apostle john saw on patmos.

  115. Beloved says:

    What’s the purpose of bearing the vision?

  116. street says:

    1 Peter 1:12-13
    12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.

    13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    i was not thinking of visions but of the corruption and destruction these men were witness too. jacobs trouble is disturbing to think about.

  117. foreverblessed says:

    A few months ago I went to a meeting, where a woman from the Dutch Caribbean was telling us about how much racism is within us, the Dutch white people. And of course, Saint Nicolaas and black Pete were high on the agenda.
    During that evening I got a very very uncomfortable feeling.
    Just the fact that I did not prevent black Pete made me a racist.

    After the meeting I went to the lady speaker, and said to her:
    “I am very sorry for what my forefathers did yo your forefathers. I am very very sorry that your ancestors were taken captive, were put in boats, and shipped as cattle, and made slaves on plantations….”

    Of something like that…
    She looked at me, and I saw that it had hit a spot. It unsettled her. She had given the speech in rage. Anger was the driving force. My apology did unsettle her.
    That is a seed planted in her heart. I pray that Jesus will work from there.

    So I do agree that anger does not solve anything.

    Anger, hatred is not a good point for any change.

    What is left for me is praying for that woman.
    Intercessory prayer.
    That Jesus may touch her heart, 💓,
    Just one black woman I pray for.

    Having full confidence that Jesus is Lord of all.

  118. jeff1 says:

    Forever, how do you think this black woman might feel that you feel the need to pray for her and might she not see you as seeing yourself as superior by not allowing that she might pray herself.

    If you believe Christ is Lord of all then He sees this woman’s plight but you are putting yourself as superior by how you see her and so it would not be surprising that you have just enforced her belief (had you told her you were praying) because you have treated her as your ancestors treated hers.

    Just thinking, not to be difficult.

  119. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, well it is morning here across the Atlantic. 62 degrees f and wet from a shower or two that passed through overnight.

    I have been up for few hours as is my habit and this entire matter on my mind as I have went about my routine duties.

    Yesterday I read an editorial from a professional journalist and he used the word “Deranged” to describe the events going on in the streets of America and elsewhere in the world.

    A few weeks ago I had read another article and the word that journalist used has escaped my ability to recall it. But what it meant was a finer polite attitude, a higher class of manners and softer way of conducting ourselves.

    It would seem such action from our societies has disappeared from the earth.

    Replaced by a vulgar, angry, intolerant, impatient attitude among people.

    Did this woman you mention, mention that whereas the Dutch slave traders were in the business of buying and selling people into slavery that it was other native African people who actually raided and captured other African people from different tribes and sold them to the slave traders?

    My guess is she skipped over that part.

    Even though forced slavery had been around for thousands of years, it was during this period of history that the social conscience of a white world was beginning to change and see the evil of forced slavery.

    Every Christian out here is familiar with the story and conversion of John Newton and his most famous song “Amazing Grace” coming from an encounter with the fear of drowning along with his cargo of human beings.

    As for the slave business, my guess is every race had a hand in it and none guiltless.

    It is absurd and yes deranged for black people to still blame people of another color today for the sin of slavery that ended in our particular cases a hundred and fifty years ago.

    People of every race also has to take responsibility for being racists as well.

    Norman Rockwell painted a picture for the Saturday Evening Post back in 1962 titled “The Golden Rule” everyone should have a look at.


  120. street says:

    Us and Them

    Emmanuel- God with us

    was reading listening to the parable of the sower last night at a Bible study. i had heard it many times before. it was intriguing that God makes all things new.

  121. poohpity says:

    It seems to be so much easier to point our fingers at others and circumstances and blame them for our responses, our attitudes and our own behaviors. Nothing new for our first parents did that very same thing blame God, each other and the snake rather than take any personal responsibility. It would then follow that when we blame or make excuses for bad behavior nothing will ever change until we confess our own part.

    We can blame our ancestors or the weather for as much good as that does to blame until we come to the point of seeing our own evil can we really move forward to understand a glimpse of what God has done for us. When we realize what lies within our own hearts no one will ever admit there needs to be change they will remain stuck in the cycle of hate, victimization and self pity.

    Romans 2:1 NLT

  122. jeff1 says:

    I can say that I spent my youth in foolishness along with many who listened to the voices of those who would have you believe they know best.

    I have progressed to listening for the gentle voice to silence the noisy voices as I know in my heart that it is His voice that wants to lead me in His ways and away from the madding crowd.

    I don’t find much advantages to ageing except that I have learned whom not to listen to in this world.

    I have a treasure in Christ as I not only can trust His guidance, I can trust His sacrifice when I go wrong in life and so I have stopped seeing ‘us and them’ and instead see Him which takes my focus from what is wrong in this world and directs it to who and what is right.

    We are God’s creation and He knows best as I sure have found no one else does.

  123. Beloved says:

    Thank you street for that verse. I was thinking how easily I get stuck in others’ pain until I remind myself that God always has a purpose for it, His glory!

    Forever I just got through reading of how we are to “bear one another’s burdens, fulfilling the law of Christ” Ephesians. Someone said a burden shared becomes half a burden. Thank you for sharing the speakers burden. I too will pray for her she sees the light of Christ in her anger and pain. He’s so good, isn’t He. I thank God for His gift to you.

  124. Beloved says:

    Praying for others is a great way to release the pain and anger to God Who knows just how to answer when we don’t or can’t respond well. “The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much”. Only the righteous shall see God. “Cast your burdens on Him, for He cares for you.”

  125. Beloved says:

    I have nothing to apologize for personally:

    A slippery slope to the pit of hell. Are we not all part of the HUMAN race? As such are we all responsible to our brothers and sisters? Am I my brothers keeper, said Cain? To do otherwise is racist sexist anti Semitic and all the other reasons we find to lift ourselves from troubles of “others”. Thinking of the Good Samaritan breaking the “rules”. Are we not called to be like him? Jesus thought so. Zacheus, woman at the well, “unclean” women, Ethiopian Eunuch I’m sore could have lots to say today about violations yet Jesus carried their burdens to God. On the cross – a most painful way. For you me and every other genetic mutation since Adam and Eve. No more slope at the cross, it was finished. He descended to preach to the captives, US. WE are just as captive to sin as are THEY.

  126. bratimus says:

    To be accused and to feel a guilt trip, is of the evil one. The evil one plays a humans guilt like a fiddle.

    To try and place guilt on me for things in didn’t do or have any control over. I say flee from me evil one for I serve Christ Jesus.

    I had a hard enough time in baring the sins I did commit, I don’t needs sins of others cast upon me, I’m not Christ Jesus I can’t bare the sins of the world.

    WE accept are own sins seek forgiveness in Christ Jesus who took on the guilt of are sins, and be washed clean in the Blood of Christ Jesus.

    To seek forgiveness for sins we did not commit, the evil one is playing you like a fiddle, and you just crucify Christ Jesus over and over again. for no reason.

    Get off the milk and start eating solid foods, time is growing short.

    I will not take a knee to George Floyd, I only will kneel before Christ Jesus or I’ll try to pick Christ Jesus up and try to carry Him, Christ Jesus has carried me for so long I should try to carry Him for a little ways!!!

    Be warned the mob made a false god be careful in not bowing down to it!!!

    In Christ Jesus name


  127. foreverblessed says:

    There is therefore now no condemnation
    to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk
    not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Romans 8:1

    That is the truth!
    I am not condemned.
    But… I can say sorry for whaty ancestors did.
    I can feel the pain, I can see the wreckage, the still unfair treatment of colored people.
    Even Steve said that a few days ago:
    More bkacks in prison, more severe sentences.
    The ” war on crime” has hit the black harder. White youths bare often paid, for a bailout, just for being caught with a bit of drugs. Black are poorer, no one who can pay the bailout.

    That is unfair, many call it racism, but it is not fair.

    Jeff, no, I only apologised, if came later to me that I could lay her case at the throne of God.
    Intercessory prayer.
    Who do I think I am to pray for another?
    I am a child of God, bought with a great price out of the kingdom of darkness, into the Kingdom of the Son.
    I am paid for, I am His child.
    And He has put it on my heart to pray,pray, pray.

    Thank you so much for your prayer, Beloved! Thank you!
    In the future we will see this woman, and we will rejoice over her, together.

    Pray for these rioting people, have mercy on them!
    Pray for those angry people, see their burden.
    But you don’t have too, you are a free person, free to chose what yoy do, but you are not condemned if you are in Christ.

    ( Beloved, can you say something more about “carrying another’s burden from Ephesus. Thank you very much for your 11.19 am comment. Thanks!)

  128. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry for all the typos, I didn’t proofread.
    We had lots of rain. Thank God.
    Regina, I will read Romans later, but thanks for sharing. That Romans 7 TLB translation was awesome. Just good to let that sink in again.
    But I gave the start of Romans 8:1
    Great verse!
    Time to go to bed
    Freed by Christ!

  129. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Forever, I understand now, that the lady was angry and so I see your reasoning and that you felt an apology was what she needed as a response and praying for her anger to subside came after.

    And I did not mean to suggest that you were not a child of God and God putting prayer in your heart is evidence of His presence and I think perhaps I would not have behaved so Christlike if it had been in your shoes being accused of racism.

  130. jeff1 says:

    I do not follow what is going on today all over the world in relation to racism.

    I guess I had enough of our own religious and political wars to see that there are no winners when it comes to blaming. When people continue to live in the past it corrupts the present and many of the younger generation have left here because the older ones will not let go of hatred and blame and they have no wish to get caught up in it.

    Seems to me that they are very wise as I had a misspent youth trusting religious and political leaders only to find that they had their own interests at heart.

    God is good all the time and why I am glad I put my trust in Him.

    In this world you will have tribulation but take heart I have overcome…what a comfort it is to know this in trying and uncertain times that we have a consistent God who knows what is best for us all whatever our failings.

  131. Beloved says:

    Sorry that was Galatians not Ephesians Forever.

    Galatians 6:2-3
    2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

    Verse 2 is intriguing to me. Wondering do I think I’m better than others when I refuse to bear their sin burdens? Not my problem? Or..

  132. Beloved says:

    What is the “law of Christ”, I ask myself.

  133. poohpity says:

    Only Jesus can bear the sins of human kind and none of us are Him. Verse 2 means to help each other by walking along side as each suffers from their own faults, failures and sin. Not to condemn but to empathize and to realize no one has any room to talk about others because then one deceives their self as if they do not have faults, failures or sins of their own. Humility rather than pride of being self proclaimed godly or righteous in and of ourselves.

  134. poohpity says:

    The law of Christ is to love others as He loved us, forgive as He forgave us, show mercy and grace as He has shown it to us.

  135. Beloved says:

    The Example of Christ.
    15 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3 For Christ did not please himself, but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me.” 4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.

  136. Beloved says:

    The NIV renders the section like this:

    Galatians 6 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

  137. Beloved says:

    Sorry I’m all over the place but backing up to Galatians 5 we read all about being entangled in the law again while Paul finally says this :
    25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Love is without law rules boundaries or whatever. It defies sense. Only by the Spirit can we love as we should.

  138. Beloved says:

    Good night all

  139. street says:

    thinking about the journey.
    woken up twice to eat. to make it to the cave. where he met God.
    one of the most stunning verses of the Bible, ” you give them something to eat!” was Jesus joking? i think not.

    they did bring what they had and found to Jesus.

    thinking about the valley of dry bones again and 2 Cor. 4:4 …”who is the image of God. ” Gen. 1:27

    new creation.

  140. jeff1 says:

    The Church’s one Foundation is Jesus Christ her ‘Lord;
    she is His new creation by water and the word,
    from Heav’n He came and sought her
    to be His holy bride;
    with His own blood He bought her,
    and for Her life He died.

    Elect from every nation yet one o’er all the earth, her charter of salvation,
    one Lord, one faith, one birth,
    one Holy Name she blesses,
    partakes one Holy food,
    and to one hope she presses,
    with every grace endued.

    Tho’ with a scornful wonder,
    men see her sore oppressed,
    by schisms rent asunder, by heresies distressed, yet saints, their watch are keeping,the cry goes up “How Long?”
    And soon the night of weeping shall be the morn of song.

    The church shall never perish!
    Her dear Lord, to defend, to guide, sustain, and cherish, is with her to the end;
    tho’ there be those that hate her and false son’s in her pale, against the foe or traitor she ever shall prevail.

    ‘Mid toil and tribulation, and tumult of her war, she waits the consummation of peace for evermore; till with the vision glorious her longing eyes are blest, and thy great church victorious shall be the church at rest.
    Yet she on earth hath union with God the Three in One.
    And mystic sweet communion with those whose rest is won.
    O happy ones and Holy!
    Lord, give us grace that we, like them, the meek and lowly, on high may dwell with Thee.

  141. poohpity says:

    I would like to ask a rhetorical question. Have you ever invited someone over to share a meal with you who does not look like you or have you ever been invited over to someone’s home to share a meal with them who also does not look like you? That may be a reason to apologize because that seems to be racially motivated. So I would think that everyone has some reason to apologize for their own behavior rather than apologizing for someone that we had no control over what they did in the past. Of course it is about “them” and never about “us”.

  142. Beloved says:

    You know how a smoke alarm will start beeping but it’s only because it needs a new battery? Well, my bs alarm is going off so giving it the benefit of the doubt and changing batteries. See if that helps. Oh well…

  143. bubbles says:

    I was maid of honor in a dear friend’s wedding. She and her husband are different races. I love her and she taught me many things about life. I’m tankful to have lived next door to her on college. We would go to a donut shop together where they have a counter and stools and have coffee and donuts. Once we laughed how we would have caused a stir if it had been when we couldn’t have eaten together. We have said we would have been put in jail together. She’s currently running for a public office at the state level and won the nomination to run in November I do not agree with her political platform but I love her and am proud of her. She has done well in life and it hasn’t been easy. I admire her greatly for her determination and work ethic. She is a social worker and has much experience with various things. I cannot vote for her but I love her and am honored to be her friend.

  144. street says:

    “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
    because he has anointed me
    to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

    instead of us and them, thinking of Him.

  145. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, it’s okay, you were talking for that woman.
    But someone has asked me: How dare you pray for me, who do you think you are?
    That was 20 years ago.

    What a wonderful Bible verse, ” the Spirit of the Lord is upon me….”

    We only can do what the Holy Spirit tells us, anything else done is not for eternity.

    About what our ancestors have done:
    It is written in the 10 commandments, that into the 3rd and 4th generation we can be visited by what has been done wrong.
    If you do not know that, go to a Christian conference, where they talk about breaking bonds:
    Here is one story:
    A person was being haunted, things that happened and it seemed too much like as if the devil was playing with it, ( that is a Dutch saying, when there are too many mishappenings in a row)
    They were praying about it. The prayer team of the conference, and a name was given.
    A name of a village, Barneveld, and the man started searching, he found out that he had a great grandfather by the name of Barneveld, and that that man had murdered an innocent man.
    They prayed about it, and he apologized for his great grandfathe’s criminal act. He did apologize!
    And you know what?
    The haunting stopped!

    You may find this unfair. But God may allow this

  146. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I accidently posted this…

    This what I write may seem strange to you, and you may not know about it, but what if it is true?
    That for 3 or 4 generations we can be followed by what our ancestors did wrong?

    And there is another thing:
    The good Samaritan payed for the caring of a wounded victim, a crime he did not commit, but the good Samaritan had mercy on the ill treated man, and took upon him the burden to care.

    Good thinking about taking up the burdens Beloved
    It is “the Law of Christ”

    It is like becoming more like Christ.

    But…. we cannot carry the burden,
    No we can’t, but we take it up and give the burden at Jesus feet, and know that He will take care, because we have asked Him.

    “Everything you ask of Me, in My Name, I will do.”
    John 14:13

    That is a wonderful promise and surity!
    Praise God!

  147. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray that you are well, and bGg… Had planned to rejoin the chat sooner but was drawn away by the recent news and some really good books.

    pooh said…
    June 26, 2020 at 3:06 pm
    “Regina, I do not think we have the power to change how anyone else acts after all we have a hard enough time changing ourselves which we do know that is the work of Christ within each of us when we have surrendered ourselves to His leading. He has already equipped us with the fruit of His Spirit but sadly we often rush ahead with our own agenda and do not rely on Him. How many people take the time to stop before they say or do anything and ask for help from the Lord?”

    I’m not sure why you gave me this bit of advice, but I’ve known (for several years now) that I cannot change how anyone acts… I always lay that job at the feet of Jesus in prayer.

    bratimus, forever (and all who are interested), I enjoyed reading ROMANS 6 and (amazingly) Galatians 2:20 provides excellent summation…

    I have been crucified with Christ: and I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the real life I now have within this body is a result of my trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    You’re welcome, forever, re: ROMANS 7! I was actually shared that passage in ROMANS 7 as a source of strength for jeff1, and I’m glad it was a blessing to you too. Romans 7 has been a “cornerstone” chapter for me for many years. So, I’m not surprised that I was compelled to share it before I re-read it as part of my goal to read the entire book of ROMANS.

    So, I couldn’t help but read the entire chapter of ROMANS 7 today since I had already shared so much of it. And *surprisingly*… *amazingly*… *shockingly*… “One” Bible verse in another book—Galatians 2:20—summed it up…

    My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    On a personal note, I was thinking about sharing my personal thoughts on “Race matters” in this blog topic because I wholeheartedly agree with some of forever’s comments, but I decided not to because: 1) Some friends on this blog site may get upset with my opinion 2) The conversation might (and in all likely-hood would) turn “political”, and I am NOT interested in talking politics (I have no time to start beating a dead horse) and 3) In my core-being—my mind, heart, soul and spirt—I’m a *peacemaker* as I am always mindful of this Bible passage…

    Psalm 133:1-3, NKJV
    1) Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
    For brethren to dwell together in unity!
    2) It is like the precious oil upon the head,
    Running down on the beard,
    The beard of Aaron,
    Running down on the edge of his garments.
    3) It is like the dew of Hermon,
    Descending upon the mountains of Zion;
    For there the Lord commanded the blessing—
    Life forevermore.

    1)How wonderful and pleasant it is
    when brothers live together in harmony!
    2) For harmony is as precious as the anointing oil
    that was poured over Aaron’s head
    that ran down his beard and onto the border of his robe.
    3) Harmony is as refreshing as the dew from Mount Hermon
    that falls on the mountains of Zion.
    And there the Lord has pronounced his blessing, even life everlasting.

    I’m deeply concerned about the Corona virus deaths in my state… So, I’ve been praying for my city, state, country and all of the countries in the world for several months now, and I welcome your prayers on behalf of the entire world.

    88 degrees (feels like 96) and mostly Sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  148. Beloved says:

    Carrying others‘ sin burdens; visiting prisoners, financially helping someone get back on their feet after a severe fall, listening to and offering comfort to anyone in need, bringing food, basically getting right into someone’s life even if you disagree with them as Bubbles mentioned. Why? As Street said it’s for God. Thinking of Him always. Pooh mentioned listening to their heart.

    Earlier today I had no one or nothing I wanted to turn to in my distress. Thinking of the ODB about the patient telling his own heart to start beating I recalled some of my favorite meditations: bless the LORD, oh my soul, let all that is within me bless HIS holy name. Be still, my soul, the LORD is on your side. Wait patiently. Christ is in me, my hope of glory. He is able to do abundantly more than I can ask or think! The righteous shall run unto Him and be glad! After casting my burdens on Him I peacefully arose to help a neighbor.

    Street is right, It’s about God, it’s not about us and them you and I. Time to move on please Mart.

  149. Beloved says:

    Regina I heard about the uptick in virus causing business to close there…praying for your state as well as the world. I’ve been hearing that some of the poorest countries in the world are also dealing with COVID now and with impaired immune systems from hunger and malnutrition. Why do I have it so good I ask. It pains me tremendously what some go through in this world.

  150. Beloved says:

    Someone said the more troubles a person has the closer they are to God. That comforts me knowing the comfort I’ve received from God throughout my life. Will be a real blessing to meet other believers from all over the world in heaven. All lined up at a Jesus’s side with me!

  151. poohpity says:

    Forever, The generational curse in Exodus 34:7. “Be assured: God does not “hold you responsible for something that someone else did.” (Ezekiel 18:20) Well if one believes in old wives tails and folklore of haunting then one does not believe in what Jesus did since He did die for the sins of the world even if people do not believe that, He did it anyway. John 3:16-17

    1 John 1:9 taking personal responsibility.

  152. poohpity says:

    Regina, oh by the way I would not presume to offer you any advise when it is not asked for! My comment was just presenting some factual information.

  153. foreverblessed says:

    That is true Pooh, when the trespass is brought under the blood of the Lamb.
    Then we are free.

  154. SFDBWV says:

    Looking over the comments this morning I was immediately reminded of Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV, nothing is new. Even here amongst our conversations.

    If you understand what I’ve said that is enough, I will not elaborate further.

    Foreverblessed most Christian Bible readers have read about generational curses and there are several books out there to read on the matter. Some for, some against all conclude that it can be broken by one individual who comes to Christ, However it may only be broken for that one individual. A thought.

    In fact there are lots of statements and stories in the Bible that some Christians can’t accept. Can’t and won’t. As what they see and understand is all that they can understand and so such things are just ignored.

    It would be ok with me in particular if they just left it on the altar and ignored them, but too many make it their job to deny such anomalies and even go so far as to criticize others for even entertaining, researching, or open to believing them.

    I have seen firsthand how generational curse and generational sin go hand and hand.

    62 degrees f a little light fog from the rains yesterday and some overnight.


  155. poohpity says:

    Steve, I agree that generational curses and sin can be passed down from generation to generation. Let’s look at a few. Racism, addiction, hate, unbelief in God but that only helps when someone wants to blame someone else for how they are or make excuses for their own actions and behaviors. However Jesus breaks the chains of our generational curses and sin when we recognize that we even have them otherwise one will continue in those generational curses and sins. For instance let’s look at the sin our first parents and how that has been pasted down from generation to generation.

    We can not change what happened in the past or blame our current actions, thoughts and behaviors on those from our past either. I do also believe that a person can be haunted by the sins of past generations but again the only way one can even start change is to take personal responsibility for our own actions NOW. Hopefully we learn from the past but to apologize for what they did would be like apologizing for what Adam and Eve did because it is after all their fault that we disobey God, right? No it is the fault of each person who does it.

    So rather than apologizing for what generations past did, do things differently than what they did and that shows a heart than has been changed to living the new way and looking at things a new way. Then the past has no control over us and the chains will be broken, not to say that we will still not struggle over our humanity because it still is part of who we were but now our eyes have been opened and we have a choice not to be tied or chained to what was but now we can look forward to what can be that is called hope.

  156. poohpity says:

    It would be similar to driving a car and only looking in the rear view mirror which is so small and not looking forward to what is ahead. Needless to say, I can guarantee a wreck will happen.

  157. SFDBWV says:

    While listening to some “YouTube” music a bit ago I chanced upon “A Confederate Song-The Irish Brigade”.

    What I found enlightening was the remarks that people has sent in, especially those of the past couple weeks.


  158. street says:

    us and them
    “the negative moral quality of a person or action opposed to God and his goodness”.

    thinking about paul and missionaries. they kept a very small bag, packed, if any, and were able to travel at once.
    how could one who loved so much and not want to hurt anyone become the focus of wrath of an entire community they love?
    sounds like love/truth is hitting the mark. Jesus understood that sin and evil could not stand against the truth. nor could it remain hidden. how are we to stand or confront evil?

    i have noticed that some have prayed for open eyes and at other times for closed eyes.

  159. street says:

    thinking about beginnings.
    Isaiah 61:1-2
    61 The Spirit of the Lord [a]God is upon me,
    Because the Lord has anointed me
    To bring good news to the [b]afflicted;
    He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    To proclaim liberty to captives
    And [c]freedom to prisoners;
    To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord

  160. street says:

    9 At that time I said to you, “You are too heavy a burden for me to carry alone. 10 The Lord your God has increased your numbers so that today you are as numerous as the stars in the sky. 11 May the Lord, the God of your ancestors, increase you a thousand times and bless you as he has promised! 12 But how can I bear your problems and your burdens and your disputes all by myself?

  161. street says:

    If so, could that be one reason we underestimate how much the Father—who urges us to come to him for help— loves us, and them?

  162. Beloved says:

    Open our eyes, LORD. We want to see Jesus…

  163. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think it is a healthy mindset that sees others as us and them. This is coming from a woman who is being treated for mental illness just so you know.

    It’s wrong to stereotype people as we are individuals who though we may have adopted the culture of our upbringing are capable of living with and respecting others of different culture’s.

    I cannot stop others stereotyping me but I will not get into the same mindset when I know it to be wrong.

    God as made us unique and I like that people are different so I won’t apologize for liking people’s difference’s.

    Accept people as they are as it is not your responsibility to change them but allow God to change you and you won’t see them anymore just us.

  164. Beloved says:

    Thinking about generational pain and trauma and all the ways we try to deal with and overcome them on our own lately. Jesus said to “cut it off”, the part that’s causing you to sin; and sin I believe is anything that is not of God. Oswald Chambers today reminds that the maimed life is how we begin our walk with Him. For some it’s a lifetime of daily “cutting off”. It will be worth it all when we see Jesus coming for us😍

  165. Beloved says:

    Viv that’s a big step for you to take considering the war you lived in there and all the death and destruction you saw first hand.

  166. Beloved says:

    Concerning mediums I know more than I care to know personally but Jesus said:

    22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
    23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

  167. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, it’s because of what I saw I see the need for me to change.

    I don’t like the person I became and so however big a step with God’s help I have to believe I can make it.

  168. SFDBWV says:

    Aside from what we read in the news and see on TV and of course the new laws concerning the wearing of masks in order to go anywhere or the restrictions on the businesses we go to, everything remains the same.

    That is of course where I live.

    The only statues we have in our community are the ones in our Veterans Park that name our veterans. Some marked with little white crosses for never having got to return home.

    So as for now we don’t have mobs of vandals overstepping the law in order to force their views on the rest of us.

    Yes they are different than the rest of us.

    These people who have decided for the rest of us what is acceptable and what is not acceptable have created a dividing line that also creates a scenario where there exists an “us and them”.

    Do each see the other as evil, without doubt I would say definitely.

    People on each side of the line are entrenched in their beliefs. Entrenched enough to die for and even kill for. It is that deep.

    As the power and the presence of the anti-christ rises in the world his followers will also entrench themselves with him as allies.

    The Bible say’s for us not to associate with such people.

    Already we are seeing them as them and we as us.

    God will too.


  169. Beloved says:

    The anti- Christ is anyone that is against Christ. Some come as angels of light.

  170. bratimus says:

    AS far as I see it as I serve Christ Jesus the best that I can, Through Christ Jesus has not God set me apart from any generational curse. For kneeling to Christ Jesus and willing to serve the will of God through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Would that put me in the generation of Christ Jesus, rather then in a family generational curse. I have become part of the family of Christ Jesus, there are some uncomfortable moments in that, but way less uncomfortable then a generational family curse of the world.

    As far as entrenching myself in the belief and knowing of Christ Jesus. I’ll climb out of the trench and stand on solid ground in Christ Jesus and be unmovable in a life with Christ Jesus, for this is the order of Christ Jesus.

    After all depending on how deep and how many people are in any given trench, that is a trench that can be turned into a mass grave.

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus (Christopher)

  171. Beloved says:

    In times like these you need a Savior,
    In times like these you need an anchor;
    Be very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!
    This Rock is Jesus, Yes, He’s the One;
    This Rock is Jesus, The only One!
    Be very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!

    In times like these you need the Bible,
    In times like these O be not idle;
    Be very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!
    This Rock is Jesus, Yes, He’s the One;
    This Rock is Jesus, The only One!
    Be very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!

    In times like these I have a Savior,
    In times like these I have an anchor
    I’m very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!
    This Rock is Jesus, Yes, He’s the One;
    This Rock is Jesus, The only One!
    I’m very sure, be very sure Your anchor holds and grips the Solid rock!

  172. jeff1 says:

    It is allowing them to create an ‘us and them” is the trap as most right thinking people are not causing mayhem.

    Christ has a better way and I learned that from seeing death and destruction.

    Don’t do as Northern Ireland did but learn from it.

    I don’t like it when men think they speak for God as it never turns out well.

    There was a time for war but their is also a time to say enough is enough and when I hear parents of young men and women who died by the bomb and bullit ask “what was it all about” then I believe the time for peace is in the air.

    When I said to an English soldier that I thought the price of voting ‘yes’ for the “Good Friday” agreement was too high he replied “you are not the one bagging the bodies.”

    My dad voted ‘Yes’ and I ‘No’ and I believe it was I who got it wrong but then my dad always was closer to God.

  173. street says:

    thinking about trenches and ditches. thinking about job taking shots from all sides.

    6 Then Job replied:

    “If only my anguish could be weighed
    and all my misery be placed on the scales!
    It would surely outweigh the sand of the seas—
    no wonder my words have been impetuous.
    The arrows of the Almighty are in me,
    my spirit drinks in their poison;
    God’s terrors are marshaled against me.
    Does a wild donkey bray when it has grass,
    or an ox bellow when it has fodder?
    Is tasteless food eaten without salt,
    or is there flavor in the sap of the mallow[a]?
    I refuse to touch it;
    such food makes me ill.

    “Oh, that I might have my request,
    that God would grant what I hope for,
    that God would be willing to crush me,
    to let loose his hand and cut off my life!
    Then I would still have this consolation—
    my joy in unrelenting pain—
    that I had not denied the words of the Holy One.

    thinking about the way the truth and the life. the Kings-highway. a crowned road where you will take shots from all sides. paul put into perspective for the current circumstance, 2 Corinthians 4:7-9
    7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; 8 we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed;

    what treasure did you receive from God?

    to be proved genuine

  174. street says:

    19 Then, as the Lord our God commanded us, we set out from Horeb and went toward the hill country of the Amorites through all that vast and dreadful wilderness that you have seen, and so we reached Kadesh Barnea.

  175. street says:

    29 Then I said to you, “Do not be terrified; do not be afraid of them. 30 The Lord your God, who is going before you, will fight for you, as he did for you in Egypt, before your very eyes, 31 and in the wilderness. There you saw how the Lord your God carried you, as a father carries his son, all the way you went until you reached this place.”

  176. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray that you and yours are well. BGg… Thank you to all who are praying for my state and the entire world. Enjoyed reading the comments I hadn’t read on this blog topic…

    poohpity says:
    June 28, 2020 at 8:37 pm
    “Regina, oh by the way I would not presume to offer you any advise when it is not asked for! My comment was just presenting some factual information.”

    Ok… I misunderstood re: the advice issue, but I don’t understand why you chose me (specifically) to present your factual information instead of sharing your information with everyone on this blog site.

    Looking forward to ROMANS 8.

    90 degrees (feels like 99) and mostly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  177. poohpity says:

    Regina, I said that about change because you said, “Now, if only ‘we’ can persuade people of every color, nation, tribe and tongue to genuinely *love* one another with an authentic, unrelenting, child-like love, the world would be a much better place for all mankind.” Would you agree that is something that only God can do?

  178. Beloved says:

    Jesus said to love one another. The world will be convinced of Gods love when we love one another. I get what you were saying Regina.

  179. Beloved says:

    More lies

  180. street says:

    it seems to me that paul took a real stab, lol wrong word, to persuade people that there is new life in Christ Jesus, a restored relationship with God, where there was none before. love only comes from God, if you ever see this kind of love you have seen God. most of the love we see is of the world. His love for sinners and for people of faith keep me awake at night and let me sleep other nights.

    children of the living God are more precious than you can imagine. thinking of an eternal Home where God lives. a Temple and Thrown too. Emmanuel

    if a person loses their mind, their heart, and/or their soul, what could they give for it’s return?

  181. Beloved says:

    Children Of The Living God
    Fernando Ortega

    Verse 1:
    Children of the living God come and sing sing out loud children of the living God Sing to the Living God

    Verse 2:
    Sing of the wonders he has made bird in flight falling rain
    Sing of the wonders he has made sing to the living God

    How he loves us with great love he who sits enthroned above for our lives he spilled his blood sent his spirit like a flood Children of the Living God sing to the living God

    Verse 3:
    Sing of his gentle healing hands how they found the lowliest man sing of his gentle healing hands sing to the living God

    Verse 4:
    Sing of the mercy that he gives though we sin he forgives sing of the mercy that he gives sing to the living God (Chorus)

    Verse 5:
    Sing for the morning when he comes in the clouds glorious son sing for the morning when he comes sing to the living God (Chorus)

  182. street says:

    children of the living God

    thinking of the life in creation subjected to the fall plants and animals, till God’s Family is complete. to enjoy an incorruptible future in the Glory of God. God is all and in all. future.

    Ephesians 4:5-7

    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

    7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

    Philippians 1:20
    according to my earnest expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.

  183. foreverblessed says:

    Those are wonderful verses Street.

    Paul had lost his life for the sake of Jesus,
    Whether in life or death, all for the glory of Jesus.
    Wow, what an example.

    “He who loses his life for My sake will find it”

    I ask God to help me to let go. Not to be too worried about my body, our house.
    To take good care of them is ok, but not to worry.
    Matthew 6:33-34

    I like Utmost very much, the teaching to let go everything for the sake of Christ.
    ( I gave a copy to a friend, and she disliked it:” I feel condemnation all over, when I read it” she said.

    A family member who has lots of pain, was telling me, she wanted to see the good thing in everything. ( She is a Christian)
    Then I said:
    Is this bible verse appropriate?
    Phil 4:6
    “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God”

    A wonderful Bible verse, but then she looked at me, and said:
    Now you make me feel guilty.

    And that made me wonder:
    How come, that it makes her feel guilty?

    And when I write this, I realize: I should lay this at the altar of Jesus, just as with other things, as Steve adviced me to do.
    Thanks Steve.

    It is a great advice:
    That what is troubling to us:
    Lay it at the altar, and as Phil 4:6 says, with thanksgiving, being assured that Jesus is capable to work at the problem.

    With Thanksgiving!!!

    It is raining now, for a couple of days, wonderful!
    Thank God!
    Where would we be if it didn’t rain?

  184. jeff1 says:

    My hope is built on nothing less
    than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
    I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
    but wholly lean on Jesus’s name.

    On Christ, the solid rock, I stand;
    all other ground is sinking sand,
    all other ground is sinking sand.

    When darkness veils his lovely face,
    I rest on his unchanging grace;
    in every high and stormy gale,
    my anchor holds within the veil. (Refrain)

    His oath, his covenant, his blood
    support me in the whelming flood,
    when all around my soul gives way,
    he then, is all my hope and stay. (Refrain)

    When he shall come with trumpet sound,
    O may I then in him be found,
    dressed in his righteousness alone,
    faultless to stand before the throne. (Refrain)

  185. poohpity says:

    It seems whenever someone says “you make me feel guilty or ________” we know that that is impossible because one has no control over the emotions of another but again it is easier to blame someone else than to take personal responsibility. Of course one can use the bible as a hammer rather than as a mirror but aren’t we free to make our own choices especially when it comes to emotions?(2 Cor 3:17 NLT)

    Freedom is a strange thing especially when we impose our freedoms on others to take away theirs like for instance how the mob rules kinda thing happens.

  186. poohpity says:

    Today is Independence day for Canada.

    The moment we accept Jesus as our Savior that is our Independence day no matter what day that falls on, the day we realize we are free to make our own choices no longer bound by sin.

  187. Beloved says:


    Repent! Turn from sin, change direction. My daughter quit going to church when she was a teenager and when I asked her why she said because church made her feel “guilty” about her sinning. (She became quite rebellious for several years) It’s good to feel guilt it means the God given conscience is at work- working out righteousness in me. Christ’s righteousness. He never leaves us in the pit He found us in. I have been crucified in Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me. Galatians 2:20

  188. Beloved says:

    Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
    6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

  189. jeff1 says:

    Oh God, our hope in ages past
    Our hope for years to come
    Our shelter from the stormy blast
    And our eternal home.

    Under the shadow of thy throne
    Thy saints have dwelt secure
    Sufficient is thine arm alone
    And our defense is sure.

    Before the hills in order stood
    Or earth received her frame
    From everlasting thou’ art God
    To endless years the same.

    A thousand ages in thy sight
    Are like an evening gone
    Short as the watch that ends the night
    Before the rising sun.

    Time like an everrolling stream
    Bears all its son’s away
    They fly, forgotten, as a dream
    Dies at the opening day.

    Oh God, our help in ages past
    Our hope for years to come
    Be thou’ our guide while troubles last
    And our eternal home. Amen.

  190. SFDBWV says:

    Over the years I have wondered and pondered over Matthew 7:11 as well as many other verses of promise, and wondered then why are things like they are?

    Is it because what we want isn’t what God wants for us?

    And before any of you chime in, I am not talking about winning the lottery or having another man’s wife, I am talking about the most basic of needs such as health or the least of our needs such as a simple bowel movement.

    Only to be “denied” when prayed for.

    The story of Paul asking for a thorn to be removed from his flesh and God’s reply that his salvation is enough, doesn’t seem to exactly be in sync with this and many other promises.

    But there it is.

    Having faith isn’t easy, but what I have learned is that having faith for God to bless others is much harder to endure.

    Watching another suffer amid prayers for that suffering to end is for me far more challenging than ever asking for something for myself.

    Yes I guess I am guilty of thinking I would know how to give better to the people I love than what seems to be what God withholds from them.

    Me being evil and God being God.

    I often empathize with Abraham when he trusts God with a broken heart, but then at the same time hoping for that miracle to come to save the day.

    As the world gets worse I find myself praying for myself and those I love to be raptured away as I see it as the only good end to this story.

    Somehow the events of the world pale in comparison to some of these basic things we pray for. However if we don’t receive that which we pray so much for, for ourselves how can we expect to prayerfully influence the events of the world?

    You know sometimes when I pray in the morning I find myself just having to say to God, “I trust you God, I trust you.”


  191. Beloved says:

    God is always good- even when we don’t get what we ask for as we assume it’s for our good also. Why does He withhold what seems good to us? I don’t know but it causes me to draw nearer to Him to hear from Him what I really need. I’m usually blind to what I really need. Deaf and blind. But for His grace I would not hear or see His ways around me. It’s all grace- free because of Jesus.

  192. Beloved says:

    Thinking maybe a good way to pray is God, I think I need ________, What do You think I need today? Please bless me, thank you.

  193. Beloved says:

    Steve working with a handicapped child is never easy. I’ve done it with others’ children. You’d think God would be more compassionate sometimes wouldn’t you. Why why why allow that kind of suffering God?

  194. jeff1 says:

    I think that most of our basic suffering comes from our fallen human nature and not God withholding from us.

    Science is providing answers to some but not all, i.e. my dad was a 40 cigarettes a day and was smoking from he was 14 so perhaps it isn’t surprising he developed a brain tumor yet when he started smoking he did not know of the hazards.

    I know my mum suffered with my brother being mentally handicapped and as a child I watched how it worsened her own fragile mental state and so not surprising I too suffer from mental instability.

    I don’t consider I suffer for my faith as living in a democracy means I am free to practice it but I cannot watch Biblical based films because of the barbaric suffering that Jesus and His followers had to go through as it would give me nightmares.

    I am just glad that I didn’t live in Jesus’s times as the world today seems civilised in comparison.

    I am becoming more aware that is more about my view as there are Christians in other parts of the world who know differently.

    We all see very differently which is why putting our trust in God remains paramount as He has the whole truth and nothing but the truth and who among us claims to know that.

  195. poohpity says:

    Yes Viv, what if what we pray for, for another person we think is what they need when God sees something else and knows that it is actually a serpent or a stone that we are praying for not really bread or a fish that we thought would be good for them? What if by telling us no it is actually saving someone from something worse. Do we think we know better than God?

  196. jeff1 says:

    Our Rector is forever reminding me that we get what we need and not what we want.

    The reason for the rebuke is because when I type the weekly parish notes I usually come across a note a parishioner has left in and wants it published and often it is not in relation to church matter’s but more community based.

    I will say to him that x wants this on the notice boards and being firm that our notes are for church matter’s he will retort and we do not always get what we want, do we!

    There’s a lesson there, I think, that we will push the boundaries unless someone stops us in our tracks.

  197. poohpity says:

    How do you think Jesus felt when He knew what was about to happen to Him? It even caused Him to sweat great drops of blood in anguish however He prayed, “And He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, where He knelt down and prayed, 42“Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.” 43Then an angel from heaven appeared to Him and strengthened Him.…”

  198. poohpity says:

    To me it is the heart of an evil parent to give to that child whatever they asks for. A good parent knows what is in the best interest of that child. The child is not aware of what is in their best interest because they only have a very limited view and the parent may continue to give even if it actually cripples or ruins a child and NO is the best thing that may ever happen to them. Like Paul and God saying NO to him which kept him humble and reliant on God’s strength not his own.

  199. jeff1 says:

    Boundaries are good as they show us we are cared for and so it is good parents who set us boundaries.

    Much of the rioting done in the streets of the 2 main cities during the troubles here was done by paramilitaries using under aged children.

    I often thought how could their parents allow it but then maybe if someone is holding a gun to your head then your choices are limited.

    It seems to me that this world has three types of people the good, bad and ugly.

    Paramilitaries are ruthless and deal in drugs and all sorts of criminal activity and they take over areas in cities that have been neglected on both sides of divide leaving them vulnerable to mobsters whose only concern is to control and alienate them from the rest of the community.

    It’s effective or has been in the past but I have not given up hope for a change in the future as the troubles as highlighted these ghettos exist which enables authorities like social services and policing to concentrate there resources in bringing about change.

    Good coming from evil has God’s hand in it I believe.

  200. SFDBWV says:

    Way back 21 years ago part of the team of physicians Matt was being treated by was a Dr. of Psychology. John was a good doctor and very helpful.

    He ask me if we ever watched “The Simpsons” on TV. I said no. At the time, or coming into this time of Matt being incapacitated, I actually watched very little TV and I had almost always worked at night.

    He actually encouraged it as a good example of seeing all of the elements of human nature exposed and spoofed.

    We have certainly watched it during these past 21 years, even caught up on the years we had missed.

    I don’t really like it that much as watching the negative side of people irritate me and Homer’s behavior especially as well as little Lisa who represents the extreme liberal view on everything.

    Anyway there is a character on the show that looks like a wild man with a bone in his hair. He is the “bone head” who always says the obvious and what the group may already be thinking, usually incorrectly.

    He is the “Bone Head”.

    In my observation of the behavior of people in real live there are boneheads who just blurt out something to say without thought or intelligence going into it.

    One such type of person is the one who thinks they can answer for God.

    When they do, they only expose their ignorance and insult the listener.

    51 degrees, clear and cool in the Appalachia’s.


  201. phpatato says:


    The Bible calls bone heads, Fools.

    Fools come in a wide variety and can be found in all levels of society. There are dumb fools. There are educated fools. They show themselves as soon as they open their mouth, or in this age of the internet, as soon as they use their fingers to type and click enter on the keyboard.

    I believe it was the movie Billy Madison, with Adam Sandler, where it was said: Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

    They only expose their ignorance and insult the listener.

    Blessings today to all


  202. bratimus says:

    I have watch a few episodes of the Simpson in years past, I think the show itself is bone headed. In saying that the interesting thing is that the show has actually predicted things in real live, in their bone headed attempt to be funny.

    In a world full of intellectual arrogant in superior think over all, God just might send a bone head with God’s answers, after all God did use a donkey once to speak to someone.

    What do I know, so I just mind my own business and keep to myself, just wish other would also.

    In Christ Jesus


    Peace be with you signing off

  203. SFDBWV says:

    Mart mentioned Matthew 7:6 KJV. Actually reading From Matthew 7:6-:12 KJV is good advice and encouraging promises.

    However Matthew 7:6 KJV denotes a separation between people or perhaps best said between how people think.

    Interesting that Jesus uses the word “pearl” here because pearl’s come from oysters, a food that is forbidden under the Law of Moses for Israel to eat as are swine.

    The advice Jesus offers us is that it is a waste of something precious to give it to someone who can’t appreciate it, then twist it around in an attempt to use it against us.

    However Matthew 7:7-11 are promises God offers to any of us that ask of Him.

    The boundaries God has placed in Scripture are the Laws God has placed on us. He has never placed any boundaries on Himself.

    Lastly Matthew 7:12 KJV simply states the “Golden Rule”. To treat people the way you want treated.

    One of the reasons that meditation is suggested concerning the Word of God is for us to think about these things for a while and let them burn into our hearts and like seeds grow and mature in us.


  204. poohpity says:

    There is a series this week on DTW that talks about our own perspective called “The Evil Eye”. They share that those who have evil in their heart are more apt to see and/or accuse others of it.

    Jesus said, “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.”

    Paul said, “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.”

    So in pointing out the “them” we are really accusing the “us”.

  205. poohpity says:

    FYI For those who are more mature in their faith know that God did set boundries for Himself when He determined to never destroy mankind again and to be reminded of that promise He set a rainbow in the sky. Genesis 9

  206. poohpity says:

    Nothing was said about eating the Oyster meat but about the great value of the Pearl inside. Matt 13:45-46

    The reason one does not share about the Kingdom things(Pearl) with those who are not interested because they will turn and attack you.

  207. Beloved says:

    Good morning!
    If you know anything about this man and how God answered his prayers you will be astounded what “the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man” can do.

    When asked what God had taught him most deeply about life, George Mueller (1805-1898), pastor and philanthropist, explained:
    There was a day when I died, utterly died, died to George Mueller, his opinions, preferences, tastes and will, died to the world, its approval or censure, died to the approval or blame even of my brethren and friends, and since then I have studied only to show myself approved unto God.
    Quoted in A. T. Pierson, George Mueller of Bristol: His Life of Prayer and Faith, (pg. 367)

  208. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved!
    Gal 2:20
    Someone explained that to some years ago
    When we became One with Jesus,
    What happened to Jesus happened to us:
    It is like piece of paper put in a book, where the book goes the piece of paper goes.
    Jesus is the book, we are the piece of paper
    Jesus died on the Cross, we died with Him, Jesus resurrected, we resurrected with Him to a new life.

    We are one with the Person Jesus,
    Not a set of doctrines, or a set of laws.

  209. foreverblessed says:

    Just for some fun:
    In my newspaper, a national one, there was a big drawing:
    A big green snake, sitting, as sometimes the snakes do with Indian Sandy’s: rolled up and only the head upright, he had a picture of a big red apple on his lap, and one word written above:


  210. foreverblessed says:

    Indian Sandy’s should be Sadu’s.


  211. Beloved says:

    What is Sadus?

  212. poohpity says:

    It is a holy person in Hinduism. It is spelled Sadhu or Saddhu according to Wikipedia. But I do not understand what that has to do with anything we are talking about?

  213. street says:

    FYI For those who are more mature in their faith know that God did set boundries for Himself when He determined to never destroy mankind again and to be reminded of that promise He set a rainbow in the sky. Genesis 9

    Zephaniah 1:

    “I will sweep away everything
    from the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord.
    “I will sweep away both man and beast;
    I will sweep away the birds in the sky
    and the fish in the sea—
    and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”[a]

    “When I destroy all mankind
    on the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord,

    not part of the apocrypha.

  214. street says:

    not to destroy man from the face of the earth would go against Gods Righteousness and Justice. why has God not done this yet?

    9 The Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10 Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.”

    11 Then Moses entreated the Lord his God, and said, “O Lord, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, ‘With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth’? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your [f]descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your [g]descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’” 14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

    Isaiah 26:17-19

    As the pregnant woman approaches the time to give birth,
    She writhes and cries out in her labor pains,
    Thus were we before You, O Lord.
    We were pregnant, we writhed in labor,
    We gave birth, as it seems, only to wind.
    We could not accomplish deliverance for the earth,
    Nor were inhabitants of the world [a]born.
    Your dead will live;
    [b]Their corpses will rise.
    You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
    For your dew is as the dew of the [c]dawn,
    And the earth will [d]give birth to the [e]departed spirits.

    Jesus is still the dawn of the world.

  215. SFDBWV says:

    You know street you could have said that in your opinion God had set boundries upon Himself instead of what you have said.

    But I suppose those of you who consider yourself more mature than others believe it ok to believe you are.

    I completely disagree that God has set boundries upon Himself.
    His “promise” to not destroy all of mankind again is not a boundry. That is in my opinion.


  216. Beloved says:

    Sadu, is that like snake charmer?

  217. street says:

    when i saw the devotional on boundaries, my mind did not turn to the law but the boundaries of God’s love. true His love is Merciful and Gracious. it is also Holy Just and Righteous.

    have no other god before Me

    their is no god like God

    o.chambers spoke about how we get bound by law. People pour themselves into their own doctrines, and God has to blast them out of their preconceived ideas before they can become devoted to Jesus Christ.

    i have had enough of my own opinion, just the Word made flesh please. i guess my only problem is a cross to carry. bad theology is easy to recognize in others, much harder in self.

    come to think of it God’s love, relational not law, has boundaries but not in the sense we think of boundaries. love is personal and has constancy of character/virtue to it. it’s completely unlike us.

  218. street says:

    many are better at love than i am

    it would seem i need I AM in me.

  219. Beloved says:

    Was it satire Forever? I thought of New York which is called the “big apple” over here. It certainly is having problems. Maybe you can explain what it means. I’m really curious. Thanks and may God bless your sleep!

  220. Beloved says:

    Street I was just reading Romans 15, you are right on the money so to speak. I’ll put my money on ❤️ Love. So hard to understand with flesh that’s for sure. Harder to do without the Spirits cajoling. For me, anyway.

  221. bratimus says:

    God and God’s sign of the Bow, was a promise not to destroy man with water and a flood, the next time around will be with fire to destroy what is not of God and to renew what is of God this is spoken of in the Bible.

    Do to similar happenings as in Matthew 13:53-58
    I won’t be speaking as much on the Words of God, we are heading in to the finale stages of the Election cycle and will is going to get ugly out their, and I rather not get caught up in the politics of things. Things will go the way things go!

    In Christ Jesus name


  222. poohpity says:

    Steve was it not you who first thought it was your job to judge the maturity of other believers? Also since when does even a mature adult call other people names like bone heads does that show a lack of fleshly maturity not even talking about spiritual maturity which even goes further into how we talk to others and treat them.

  223. poohpity says:

    I apologize Steve you spoke of God’s word maturing in someone not about their maturity level. I was wrong please forgive me.

  224. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and bGg… I enjoyed reading ROMANS 8! And this morning I was listening to Discover the Word, and Dr. Darrell Bock was the guest visitor to the table for the teaching on “Engagement: The Good News of the Gospel in Today’s Post-Christian Culture.” And what do you know?? He started discussing the book of Romans! Well, I was SO blessed and so enlightened by what he shared on Romans 8. Will share some of the spiritual truths that I learned here…

    Dr. Bock said ROMANS 8 helps us understand that we receive the Spirit of God as a result of justification. He said that because we’ve been cleansed as a vessel, the Holy Spirit gives us the *power* (or capability) to walk with God. Then, Bill Crowder referenced 1 John 3:1, but I read verses 1 through 3 and (I, too, believe that this Bible passage sums up Romans 8 in a very thought-provoking way) I’ll share all three verses here…

    1 John 3:1-3, NIV
    1) See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2) Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3) All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

    All for now… I could not log on this morning for some reason, so I’m excited and ready to read the recent comments on this blog topic.

    93 degrees (feels like 101 degrees) with light thunderstorms (we’re getting some good rain right now) in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  225. Regina says:

    I’m back again… Taking a short break from reading the recent comments.

    poohpity says:
    June 30, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    Regina, I said that about change because you said, “Now, if only ‘we’ can persuade people of every color, nation, tribe and tongue to genuinely *love* one another with an authentic, unrelenting, child-like love, the world would be a much better place for all mankind.” Would you agree that is something that only God can do?

    pooh, I searched my comments for the comment that you quoted here, and I couldn’t find it. Nevertheless, that’s a good Word (sentiment), and I do, indeed, *agree* that that is something only God can do. Further, I believe that we will *definitely* see that in heaven. And I can go a step further… I believe that God has a “remnant” of that beautiful, spiritual goal represented in every country in the world.

    Beloved says:
    June 30, 2020 at 4:14 pm
    Jesus said to love one another. The world will be convinced of Gods love when we love one another. I get what you were saying Regina.

    Thank you for your spiritual insight and input on my quote, beloved, (now) if only I could find the comment where I said it. :-)

    Looking forward to ROMANS 9! <3

  226. street says:

    “If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matt 7:11 );

    thinking of Father in Heaven. how did we become so evil with such a good Father? if we have lost our minds hearts and souls, what could we give for their return? it would seem God gave His Son to seek that which was lost. thinking of nebuchadnezzar and the prodigal son coming to their collective senses.

    Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. John 6

  227. foreverblessed says:

    How did we become so evil?
    I think:
    Because of the fall.
    Mankind wanted to choose for himself what is right and wrong.
    All of us.

    It is the independent spirit, independent from God.
    So we lost connection with God.

    Beloved, it was satire:
    The snake saying sorry,
    Sorry that he beguiled Eve to take the apple.

    We have been talking aboyt saying sorry for the slavery.
    For what our forefathers did.

    In our country this is a discussion, the day of slavery was this week. Our prime minister does not want to say sorry for the slavery.
    And then this satire was in the newspaper.
    I thought it hilarious.

    I tried to describe the drawing of the snake, he sits like the snakes of the snake charmer.
    But his head is turned down in repentance, and on his lap he has a sign with a big red apple.
    And above it is written:

  228. foreverblessed says:

    Regina, thank you for Romans 8 and the connection to
    1 John 3:1-3

  229. jeff1 says:

    The more I look at the world the more I see how diverse it is.

    That in itself can be daunting especially to myself an aging woman who has to admit it is becoming more alien to her.

    It isn’t until I look at closer to home that I feel a sense of belonging.

    Then I count my blessings and realize the things that matter.

    Today, our hotels, restaurants, pubs and cafes open and I will see a kind of normality return to our Province.

    It is true that you don’t value what you have until it is taken from you.

    I have heard it said that the best things in life are free yet in reality to get by in this world can be costly unless I live a nomad life.

    Having said that it is the small everyday happenings like meeting up with a friend, talking with a neighbor, trip to the supermarket, speaking with family, and attending local church/community gatherings that makes my world go around.

    It’s in focusing on the small that I feel I belong otherwise this can be a frightening world.

    God has provided me with a support network that I all too often take for granted yet without them I would feel very lost in this world.

    I have Him to thank for my worldly goods and they are all I need.

    It is when I am thankful for what I have that I see God as a benevolent Father.

    When I am focused on the world and it’s wants I can loose my way in seeing what is important in life.

    The world doesn’t change that much in that there is both good and bad all around us.

    Most of us knows what it is to be touched by both otherwise I don’t believe we would have the empathy or compassion for others that God wants us to.

    God doesn’t put demands on me other than to give it my best and He’ll do the rest.

    If I listen to others they will likely make
    me feel guilty, lacking and even unlovable.

    When I listen to God I hear how He values me and that gives me motivation and purpose that no matter how others see me I am pleasing in His sight.

    I haven’t changed my mind that it is an unhealthy mindset to see ‘us and them’ but that is because I grew up in a neighborhood where it was in other people’s interests to feed me their truths and I was slow in the uptake in finding out their motives were not pure.

    Only God can be trusted as we all have biases as it is how we survive in this world and I don’t believe God holds that against us as we are not more different than we are the same when we take the time to notice it.

  230. SFDBWV says:

    “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us.” Psalms 103:12 KJV

    We as Christians are to strive to be as Christ-like as we can. This statement in Psalms gives us a good idea of what forgiveness looks like.

    However what of people who will not forgive, only demand justice. Justice that never satisfies.

    Thinking of the conversation between the Scribe and the Roman soldiers in the movie “Jesus of Nazareth”, where the Scribe demands that the Romans guard the dead body of Jesus whom they had just crucified.

    The Roman soldier in disgust replied, “What kind of people are you? Is His death not enough?”

    Not a single person in the USA or in the Netherlands or in most countries of the world are guilty of forcing black people into slavery. However the past sin of slavery is in part the excuse for what can only be described as anarchy in the streets in a demand for “justice”.

    One such sign that appears along with the demonstrators everywhere says, “No peace, without justice”.

    How do you appease people who cannot be appeased?

    Jesus said in a short prayer to the Father, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

    Racism is different, in that it has no time line of some event in the past.

    Does seeing a difference between people of color and whites make you a racist? Or a white supremest?

    Does seeing a common humanity in people of all color make you a non-racist?

    Does demonstrations accompanied with rioting bring us to an awareness that racism exits needing to be faced, or simply make us more racist in our views?

    It seems to me that if someone won’t forgive you, that there is nothing more you can do to get it except forgive them for it.

    And move on.

    56 degrees f and clear.


  231. Beloved says:

    And move on…. what if you can’t move on? What if God has placed you in circumstances where you are continually faced with the lies treachery and hard heartedness of sinners? What do I do? Love them all, Jesus said; wheat, tares and outright pagans because we never know what God has in store for those who love not only Him but His lost children and His prodigals. We all know what love is per I Corinthians13 just do it as Nike says. Just do it.

  232. jeff1 says:

    I have to try to understand that some hold onto their history and cannot let go of what has been and I understand because I seen it in my own country.

    The best I can do is accept they feel injustice and rather than critize them, listen, and if I cannot empathize with them then at the very least don’t agitate them but leave it with God who sees their plight and knows I am out of my depth in dealing with it.

    Forgiveness doesn’t come into it as it is the powers that be they are looking to for justice and only they can reassure them.

  233. Beloved says:

    “Sorry” saying sorry has to be in the right circumstances. I saw a video of a white man being assaulted badly by a black man in a store. The man kept saying I’m sorry but the man seemed to get angrier. It didn’t show why this happened but it did show how deeply entrenched bitterness and anger can be entrenched in ones life. It takes real discernment to know when to speak and when to listen. Godly discernment.

  234. jeff1 says:

    Just from what you said Beloved i.e. entrenched, is the right word to explain how some people are when it comes to what they believe.

    You come across a person or group like this and you are facing evil i.e. anger, hatred and likely this person or group has seen or experienced injuries done to themselves or their loved ones that they never got justice for and it has built up inside them and it isn’t about you but you just happen to be on the receiving end of their frustrations and bitterness but sorry won’t cut it as that is like trying to put a plaster on an injury that needs major surgery.

  235. SFDBWV says:

    Fellow BTA combatants I am going to say this and end my commentary concerning this subject.

    You cannot reason with unreasonable people.

    And the Bible tells us not to try.

    Foreverblessed it looks as if hot weather has finally caught up with us here. I do hope you are getting lots of rain. It looks as mtman also needs rain there in the southern Rockies.

    Added prayers for both.


  236. Beloved says:

    A heart that is hard needs to be softened to receive or offer forgiveness. Jesus can do that. Gods prodigal receiving mercy and forgiveness only made the heart of the older brother harder. Maybe he didn’t even know what was in his heart until the little brat returned home? But hopefully all the older brothers out there will receive the same mercy and forgiveness in time.

  237. jeff1 says:

    I would not try to, leave them to God, He has overcome the evil in the world, the battles are ours but the Victory is His.

  238. Beloved says:

    “Combatants” Steve you are funny!

  239. Beloved says:

    Leave them to God, yes, the battle is His, not ours.

  240. Beloved says:

    He who fights God is against Him. He who knows he has received mercy will fight with God.

  241. Beloved says:

    I have come that they may have life! Jesus said- and abundantly!

  242. street says:

    when God is not enough.
    thinking about a culture that has removed God and truth from society.
    if truth is relative and sin does not exists why are people complaining of injustice? where are the people who are racist, the guilty ones? where is this justice that everyone is demanding? what does this justice look like?

    what does a justice look like from a Omnipotent All Knowing God look like?

    The Roman soldier in disgust replied, “What kind of people are you? Is His death not enough?”

    thinking of hell where the fire never goes out.

    let the sin in me be extinguished at the cross. let the Lord take up residence in my heart soul and mind.

  243. street says:

    sorry vs repentance.

    repentance- to change your mind.

    thinking about 70 X 7…..

    and then there is suffering for righteousness

    thinking of Jesus interceding for us and them.

    how many of us would have called out to God apart from suffering?

    blessed are the poor in Spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven

  244. Beloved says:

    Justice wanted or revenge? The heart knows.

  245. Beloved says:

    Here when the protesters march they chant “No justice, no peace”

  246. Beloved says:

    Steve I care about you and everyone else here and I love you all in the LORD! I’m not mocking you I just do not understand your sensitivity to some that makes you feel we are in a battle. I just don’t understand it, at all. But please forgive me for offending you. Please forgive me. Joyce

  247. bratimus says:

    What I’m suppose to be combative, I didn’t get that memo, out of the loop again, ah man. Lol funny, funny, funny

    In Christ Jesus name


  248. poohpity says:

    You know that it was the hate of the BLM that started the saying No Justice, No Peace. It was George Floyd’s brother who said that the violence, rioting and destruction would not have been what his brother wanted and the statement without it being twisted was, “Justice on the left and Peace on the right” but those who wanted to start violence, hate and destruction changed what he said to fit their promotion of hate. That is really the sad point even after Floyd’s brother corrected what they were saying they did not listen.

  249. Beloved says:

    Yes I heard his dad speaking and coming from a good heart but for some reason the far left has used it as a license to air whatever grievances, anger and all that goes with it to tear up this nation and change history. Not that it was ever perfect but as a democracy we all enjoy certain freedoms. They have been taken to the extreme is my take on things here. Lots of shaking up going on; hmmm could God be up to something far greater than a person could ever imagine? Like reminding us that we have a far far better land coming where peace- King Jesus- rules eternal. Maybe its time to let go of things that take up too much room in the heart, maybe. Like patriotism, homeland, family, goods and wealth. Thinking about Jesus words.

  250. poohpity says:

    Or maybe God is opening our hearts and minds to stand up against tyranny to do what is just, right and good. Maybe our hearts have taken for granted what we are here to actually do to make a choice to do nothing.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.”

  251. Beloved says:

    I believe Jesus already triumphed over evil.

  252. Beloved says:

    Matthew 9:13
    New Living Translation
    Then he added, “Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: ‘I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.’ For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners.”

  253. SFDBWV says:

    A happy Fourth of July to all you who still love this country and to all who have dedicated their lives to preserve it.Past and present.


  254. SFDBWV says:

    At City Hall as well as on my wall in my house is a large picture of our town as seen from above. A fellow came to town stopping at the local bank a dozen years ago seeing if the bank was interested in purchasing the picture, framed in a choice of sizes.

    Everyone at the bank always sends such people, seeking answers or in this case offering a picture of our community up to see me.

    Not only did I purchase one for City Hall, but several for family members and one for myself. Over the following few years sending many others to him in order to buy a piece of their memories and lives, past and present.

    The fellow lived in Winchester VA and was on a journey to fly over and take such pictures of every community in WV. Selling said photographs as a means of financing his quest of documenting all of these places.

    In conversation with him it turns out he is personal friends with the man who had produced the two Civil War movies. “Gettysburg” and “Gods and Generals”. He explained a third was in the planning in order to bring the war to its conclusion.

    Clearly now that is unlikely to happen.

    July 1-3 marks the anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg and the turning point of the war.

    Ever since these movies came into being on the anniversary of this battle they were shown on TV. Especially TBS in that Ted Turner financed them.

    This year though no mention of them, no showing of them. Something else the “new order” of things has taken from us.

    Yesterday I read that the NFL is going to play the “Black National Anthem, prior to playing “The National Anthem” before every game in the 2020 season.

    I didn’t know there was a black national anthem. The decision of the NFL clearly denies the concept that we are one people indivisible as a nation and presents a larger division between blacks and all the rest of us, no matter the color of skin.

    I am sickened and repulsed by the NFL’s decision.

    Looks like the gap between us and them is getting wider.

    I really wanted to stay away from this subject, but I keep getting pulled back in. Moving on is getting more difficult to do when from behind me as I walk away something keeps calling me back.


  255. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, it surprised me that you do not understand how Steve sees but then if you came from my neck of the woods you would see that Steve is very much in the majority in his thinking.

    It would be remiss of me to not see that God uses all kinds in His Kingdom just as He equips and directs them.

    Just remember that if God directs me it’s for His purpose and not necessarily for my delight.

    Service for God may come at a price as Steve well knows and so do many of my country men.

    Steve is no fool and I am not sure when I consider what Jesus’s followers suffered im their times that there are not dark days for His followers today.

    Christ has the Victory but there are battles that lead to it and I don’t see that the Bible says otherwise.

  256. poohpity says:

    Yes Jesus defeated evil which gave us a choice but how many depend on Him and do not get drug back into or enticed back into making a choice for evil over doing good? The battle of the flesh over the Spirit. The one that wins is the one that gets the most attention, evil or good.

  257. poohpity says:

    If one feeds hate, prejudices, slander, etc. it will grow and it seems sometimes uncontrollably but if someone feeds on kindness, mercy, love and grace it will flourish and overcome the evils of hate, prejudices and slander. We have to make a choice moment by moment, hour by hour and day by day just exactly who/what it is that we will follow after. Will we follow the desires of the flesh or ask, seek and knock after the Spirit so that door will be opened. Jesus gave us the freedom of choice to live a new way or to return to the vomit of the old.

  258. poohpity says:

    God gave us Spiritual armor to fight this battle;

    A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. 12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

    13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared. 16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    18 Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere.

  259. phpatato says:

    Steve, I too am sickened and disgusted with the NFL. The BLM movement is fanning flames up here but hasn’t reached the forest fire state that it is in the US.

    On that front, closer to home for me is another fire that I have recognized as STILL smoldering. As you know, I am a race car fan. I have a weekly date with my son (Mom and Son time) to sit at a local dirt track to watch an evening of racing. This track is in Cornwall Ontario, a city within close proximity to Montreal Quebec. Because of that closeness, the track attracts racers from both Provinces.

    This summer, because of Covid, the track has only run a few races…drivers and up to 5 crew members only, allowed at the track. No spectators. There is an upstart television crew from Quebec that has signed on to do “live” telecasts of the races, with an option for fans to purchase a “pass” to be able to watch this live televised race. On Canada Day evening, the Cornwall track provided a replay of one of the televised races for free via their Facebook page. I tuned in. Because there are just a few tracks who are hosting races in both Provinces, opportunities for the drivers to race are far and few between. The Cornwall races are attracting new names with some drivers driving 4 to 8 hours away to get to the track.

    There is an announcer at Cornwall that did track-side interviews with each winner of each race. He is French speaking with a very distinguishable French accent while speaking English. He would interview English drivers in English and French drivers in French – providing a crude quick translation to sum up what was said in the opposite language of the driver, after each interview.

    It was during the last big 50 lap race of the evening that things for me turned sour. With 10 laps to go, this French announcer, who had made his way up to the announcer’s booth to help with calling the race, said what I consider an untimely, in poor taste, questionable call. Being French, he seemed quite proud to say that the race, as in the previous race that was run at Cornwall, “was looking to be another win for the Quebec French drivers. The French drivers are dominating once again over the English drivers with superior driving and top-notch cars.” He then, with a smugness that couldn’t be missed, pointed out that 4 of the top 5 cars were all from Quebec.

    Scars are still visible today throughout Canada as a result of the wars between the British and the French for control of the “new world” in North America. The Battle of the Plains of Abraham, with General Marquis de Montcalm as commander for the French army and General James Wolfe as commander for the English, decided the final fate of the French in 1759. The British won the war. English was established.

    Up to this day, “French sympathy runs quick in the blood of French-Canadians, while strong loyalties remain in the hearts of descendants of the early English pioneers.” Mostly through politics now (and not outright war) are the animosities still felt between the two. Quebec on their stage of wanting to be recognized as a Distinct Society, demanding special treatment with special Federal money hand-outs, with the threat of separating from Canada should they not get what they want.

    With the racial tensions burning between black and white, that French track announcer decided it must be a good time to pick up an ember to fan into flames the cause for the French again. What he said actually pitted the French against the English again. I felt it was disgustingly inappropriate given what is going on right now with BLM.

    The hate just won’t die. Not for skin colour and not for “mother tongue”.

    Like you Steve, I am looking to the clouds for my Lord and Saviour to rapture me away.

    Beautiful sunny day. High of 80 right now with an expected high of 84. No humidity.

    HAPPY 4TH OF JULY, my American friends!!!

  260. bratimus says:

    I enjoyed watching a little NFL and NBA here and there, the way this organizations have gone so political let’s say. I won’t enjoy the little I did watch them, politics ruins everything. That is why I try to stay out of it. All that is at the end of the path of politics is the edge of a cliff, and the sheep are on the march on this path.

    In Christ Jesus name


  261. street says:

    thinking of the Nika riots.

  262. poohpity says:

    Pat, was it true that 4 out of the top 5 drivers were from Quebec?

  263. poohpity says:

    This week on Discover The Word they pretty much spent the time talking about how we see or hear things is not necessarily how they really are but it depends highly on how we are and what is in our hearts.

  264. Beloved says:

    Happy 4th! Our race track is closed down also but the local radio station is playing plenty of traditional 4th of July songs/speeches as I listened while riding with a friend to our local farmers market with Amish goods and others such as gluten free, honey and maple syrup all local along with the traditional crocheted doilies and towels and such homemade goodies. Got some favorites; cranberry walnut bread and rhubarb bread- yum! Not a lot of fresh produce yet but soon. Then a drive thru at the new Dun’can Donuts for breakfast and coffee and now I’m inside for the rest of the day with ac on. It’s beastly hot this week but so beautiful to see manicured lawns flowers etc. The lake front is gearing up for fireworks later. I do enjoy seeing people enjoy water sun and outdoors fun after a long long winter of isolation and fears. We’re seeing a lot of kayakers this year! I never tried it myself. Enjoy the day for what it’s worth with Gods blessing!

  265. poohpity says:

    When I worked in Canada during the summer of 1980 they seemed to be very prejudice against people from India and Pakistan.

    I worked in Cornwall with Conklin Shows that put on the fair there and we went into Quebec where all the street signs were primarily in French and secondary in English. Even back then Quebec wanted to be their own country apart from Canada.

  266. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    ((HAPPY)) Independence Day to my American comrades and all friends from other countries who want to participate! Am ready for good holiday grub, balloons, safe fireworks and good fellowship with family/friends!

    So… I thought I’d share some Independence Day grub (via words) from several countries around the world:

    1. France: The French eat Quiche Lorraine (Ingredients: onions, bacon, cheese and egg) on Bastille Day or la Fete nationale. It’s celebrated on July 14th.

    2.Finland: People in this country eat Karjalanpiirakoita or Karlien Pastries (Ingredients: Rye crust with rice or egg fillings) on, December 6th, their Independence Day.

    3. Greece: Greeks eat Kleftiko or “thief’s meal” — It’s a slow-cooked lamb dish that’s named after bandits who were said to have cooked this meal and used the slow-cook process to remain discrete. Their Independence Day is on March 25th, My birthday! :-), and they eat this seasoned meat to mark the celebration of their freedom from the Ottoman Empire in 1821.

    4. Malaysia: Malaysians eat Nasi Lemak (rice cooked in coconut cream and garnished with peanuts and anchovies) on their Independence Day. A more modern interpretation of this dish, which has become pretty popular, includes a poached egg served on top. They celebrate independence day on August 31st. Their I.D. is called “Hari Merdeka” and it celebrates their independence from Britian.

    5. India: Indians eat tricolor dishes on, August 15th, in celebration of their independence from Britain in 1947. They eat dishes of white, orange and green foods which represent the colors of their flag.

    All for now… On my way to a July 4th lunch with a childhood friend. Will share more later, and I’m also looking forward to reading the recent comments on this blog topic.

    ROMANS 9 (this weekend) :-)

    92 degrees (feels like 99 degrees) with PLENTY of sunshine in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  267. SFDBWV says:

    Pat I am fortunate to live in an area rich with history at many levels. Not far from where I set is a mountain in Maryland that for all of my life and many others has been known as “Negro Mountain”.

    It was named for a black man who had been accompanying General Braddock during the French and Indian War. This un-named black man was killed by the Indians during one of many skirmishes and so the place of his death was named in his memory.

    Why he wasn’t named has been a point of contention in the news for as long as I can remember also. There is no accurate identification of who he was.

    Several years back black activists from the NAACP in Baltimore came to Cumberland MD demanding that the Confederate flag they had in City hall be removed. Cumberland had the flag because during the Civil War Cumberland changed hands several time between the Union and Confederate forces. It was a piece of their history.

    Anyway after getting the flag removed from City Hall it became an issue to take down the State Highway sign denoting “Negro Mountain”. Since the Maryland Statehouse could never agree as what to do with the problem, last year the Director of the Department of Highways in Maryland just simply had the signs removed with no fanfare or anyone being told by who.

    I remember as Islamic terrorists began terrorizing the free world the standing order was to never negotiate with terrorists.

    It looks like the “new world order” is to capitulate to the demands of anyone threatening peace and order.

    On a side note I had ancestors who made the march north with General Braddock during the French and Indian War.

    Hope things mellow out for you and all who read this and we can just have a nice peaceful day.

    No need for you to ask forgiveness from me Joyce, but since you have, I will say if you worry about having offended me I will be happy to give you release.


  268. Beloved says:

    Thanks Steve, very graceful of you!

  269. Beloved says:

    A lesson for me to not think so highly of myself!

  270. Beloved says:

    Lol, or not too lowly!

  271. foreverblessed says:

    Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord…
    Psalm 33:12
    That is my prayer for July 4

    And about all these riots and animosity:
    Intercessory prayer
    I agree with that
    I believe in praying for people:
    Laying to there cause at the altar of Jesus.

    Trusting Jesus, He knows when is the time to touch a hard ❤️

    There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ

    I am still meditating on Rom 8:1-9
    Here and there we are to be purified, made holy, that is an ongoing process.

    Here is Matthew’s meditation on the passage

    “..8:1-9 Believers may be chastened of the Lord, but will not be condemned with the world. By their union with Christ through faith, they are thus secured. What is the principle of their walk; the flesh or the Spirit, the old or the new nature, corruption or grace? For which of these do we make provision, by which are we governed? The unrenewed will is unable to keep any commandment fully. And the law, besides outward duties, requires inward obedience. God showed abhorrence of sin by the sufferings of his Son in the flesh, that the believer’s person might be pardoned and justified. Thus satisfaction was made to Divine justice, and the way of salvation opened for the sinner. By the Spirit the law of love is written upon the heart, and though the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled by us, yet, blessed be God, it is fulfilled in us; there is that in all true believers, which answers the intention of the law. The favour of God, the welfare of the soul, the concerns of eternity, are the things of the Spirit, which those that are after the Spirit do mind. Which way do our thoughts move with most pleasure? Which way go our plans and contrivances? Are we most wise for the world, or for our souls? Those that live in pleasure are dead, 1Ti 5:6. A sanctified soul is a living soul; and that life is peace. The carnal mind is not only an enemy to God, but enmity itself. The carnal man may, by the power of Divine grace, be made subject to the law of God, but the carnal mind never can; that must be broken and driven out. We may know our real state and character by inquiring whether we have the Spirit of God and Christ, or not, ver. 9. Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Having the Spirit of Christ, means having a turn of mind in some degree like the mind that was in Christ Jesus, and is to be shown by a life and conversation suitable to his precepts and example.

    There was one comment saying that this Bible passage us describing this Spiritual Wonder, being New in Christ through the Spirit as
    the River of life
    from Revelation 22:1-6

  272. Regina says:

    Ok… I’m back and ready to share the 2nd portion of my comment. Gonna pause for few minutes to share a little bit about my holiday lunch outing. Had a great time of fellowship with and old friend, and we talked about everything and could’ve gone on and on… I ate some delicious fried green tomatoes, onion rings, French fries, fried okra and a garden salad. My friend ate fried catfish, mashed potatoes, green beans and some buttered rolls. I was craving fried food as I rarely ever eat it.

    Question: Have you ever gone out to lunch or dinner (and we had to “social distance” while we were in the restaurant) with a friend or family member and noticed, while conversing, that other people were not talking and it seemed like they were listening to your conversation?

    Well, that’s what happened to me today while I was at the restaurant (I don’t know if my friend noticed how quiet it was). I didn’t mind though… My friend and I were talking about our love and respect for God, our beloved church family and shared our thoughts on the Corona virus pandemic.

    Ok, now back to the Independence Day cuisine in other countries…

    6. Egypt: Egyptians eat Qatayef, a nut or cheese filled pastry pocket on, February 28th, their Independence Day. They also celebrate their independence from Britain on Feb. 28.

    7.South Africa: South Africans eat Pap en vleis — a simple meat and porridge combination (with spices and beer served on the side) to celebrate their independence from Britain on December 11, 1931.

    8. Brazil: Brazilians eat Feijoada, a bean and meat stew (which requires much attention to detail), and they celebrate their independence from Portugal every year on September 7th.

    9. Honduras: Hondurans eat Plato Tipico (sounds like the name of a restaurant), a plate full of sausages, chismol, beans and plantains, on September 15th (their Independence Day) which marks their freedom from Spain.

    10. Chile: Chileans eat Chilean Empenadas, a seasoned meat filled pastry, on September 18th which marks their independence from Spain.

    11. Mexico: Mexicans eat Pozole, a seasoned soup with meat and vegetables, which is just one of their independence day foods. Cinco de Mayo has been wrongfully distracting many people from the true celebrated Mexican independence day on September 16th, when the revolt for freedom from Spain began in 1810.

    12. Canada: Chicken
    (I want my Canadian friends on this blog site to chime in if this info is not correct)
    Canadians eat grilled chicken on Canada Day which is celebrated on July 1st. Canadians are not necessarily celebrating their independence but the forming of their actual country in 1867 (100 years minus 3 months and 6 days before my birth).

    13. America: Hotdogs and Hamburgers — “Easy peasy, banana squeezey” food in my neck of the woods! :-) Americans celebrate their Independence Day on July 4th. On this day, in 1776, the 13 colonies claimed their independence from England, an event which eventually led to the formation of the United States of America.

  273. Regina says:

    Ok, so I’m back again…

    Thank you phpatato, for your Independence Day well wishes! And, while I may not agree with everything you said, your comment, at 9:52 am today, was very well written.

    Was thinking about the Star Spangled Banner song today, so I’ll share it here…

    Oh, say, can you see? By the dawn’s early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming;
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
    O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
    And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air.
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
    Oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave?
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    Then, I read in one of Steve’s comments that he’d never heard of the Negro National Anthem, and I have to share it here because I think it’s one of the most *BEAUTIFUL* anthems I’ve ever heard! :-) If I could, I’d sing it for you…

    “Lift Every Voice and Sing” (James Weldon Johnson —J. Rosamond Johnson, his brother, set the poem to music)

    Lift ev’ry voice and sing
    ‘Til earth and heaven ring
    Ring with the harmonies of Liberty
    Let our rejoicing rise
    High as the list’ning skies
    Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
    Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
    Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
    Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
    Let us march on ’til victory is won

    Stony the road we trod
    Bitter the chastening rod
    Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
    Yet with a steady beat
    Have not our weary feet
    Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
    We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
    We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
    Out from the gloomy past
    ‘Til now we stand at last
    Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast

    God of our weary years
    God of our silent tears
    Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
    Thou who has by Thy might
    Led us into the light
    Keep us forever in the path, we pray
    Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee
    Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee
    Shadowed beneath Thy hand
    May we forever stand
    True to our God
    True to our native land

    ps. I can hear fireworks lighting up the night sky right now…

  274. jeff1 says:

    That is so beautiful, Regina.

    We are not so different as we are alike I find when I take the time to notice.

    While the UK has many immigrants I cannot help but notice they are not here for the love of the UK but because of the poverty and lack of opportunities that exist in their own country.

    They normally work all the hours God sends to send money back to their families in their homeland because they know they are in need of it.

    Being family friendly I will not fault them for that and if the shoe where on the other foot I would likely do the same.

    There are those here who treat them badly and complain they take their jobs and keep wages low and so the UK have opted to leave Europe believing it is the ruination of their nation.

    I know of Irish who emigrated to USA and Australia and after spending some 20 year’s there their health deteriorated and I have seen them return home because they said they wanted to die in their homeland.

    I love to travel and enjoy the vast array of cultures that other countries offer.

    But where’er I wander my heart remains in my homeland and where I will want to be layed to rest.

    Far away fields look green but none are any greener than on my own doorstep.

    Home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home
    I don’t need a mansion on a hill
    That overlooks the sea
    Anywhere your with me is home

    Maybe I’m a rolling stone
    Who won’t amount to much
    But everything that I hold dear
    Is close enough to touch

    For home is where the heat is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home

    Maybe I’m a rolling stone
    Who won’t amount to much
    But everything that I hold dear
    Is close enough to touch

    For home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home.

  275. street says:

    whatever is in them, must also be in us.
    if you run into Christ there is hope.

  276. Beloved says:

    About immigrants-
    I watched a very interesting show on MSNBC last evening about the Marshall Island people working and establishing a home away from home in NE Arkansas working in the Tyson chicken plant. Their Islands were devastated by nuclear testing by the US and now there is much cancer and poverty there because they can’t sustain life anymore. So they come here on 6 month visas to work and send money to support their families. One mother is very proud of the hard work she has to do and wants to do to make life better, jobs most Americans don’t want. They can get social security numbers but not citizenship, Therefore can’t get a lot of the assistance other poverty groups get here. Strawberry pickers in California said they are proud to pick fruit that ends up at the capital tables and work hard to get citizenship while sending money home to S American to support their families. Farm owners say Americans don’t want the jobs they offer. It’s an interesting balance it takes to make a nation run smoothly. I will think of that and pray for those who picked the berries I eat as well as chicken and sea food. God bless the hands that serve others. It was a Minnesota chef that interviewed the people.

  277. poohpity says:

    No matter what language one speaks or what the scenery looks like around us or the color of the skin or the kind of food one eats what makes us, us is we all bleed red, we all have a God hole in our lives that can only be filled with God and every intent of the human race is bent on evil and rebellion. No one who is born, is born good.

    When we point a finger at THEM we have three pointing back to US. God showered US with His forgiveness, mercy and grace it is like the gravity that holds us to this earth it is the same for everyone and if anyone for one moment thinks they are deserving of it, they live in deception and lies.

  278. Beloved says:

    God points fingers as did David

    PSALM 59
    Prayer for Deliverance from Enemies.
    For the choir director; set to [a]Al-tashheth. A [b]Mikhtam of David, [c]when Saul sent men and they watched the house in order to kill him.

    59 Deliver me from my enemies, O my God;
    [d]Set me securely on high away from those who rise up against me.
    2 Deliver me from those who do iniquity
    And save me from men of bloodshed.
    3 For behold, they have [e]set an ambush for my [f]life;
    [g]Fierce men [h]launch an attack against me,
    Not for my transgression nor for my sin, O Lord,
    4 [i]For no guilt of mine, they run and set themselves against me.
    Arouse Yourself to [j]help me, and see!
    5 You, O Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel,
    Awake to [k]punish all the nations;
    Do not be gracious to any who are treacherous in iniquity. [l]Selah.
    6 They return at evening, they howl like a dog,
    And go around the city.
    7 Behold, they belch forth with their mouth;
    Swords are in their lips,
    For, they say, “Who hears?”
    8 But You, O Lord, laugh at them;
    You scoff at all the nations.

    9 Because of [m]his strength I will watch for You,
    For God is my stronghold.
    10 [n]My God in His lovingkindness will meet me;
    God will let me look triumphantly upon [o]my foes.
    11 Do not slay them, or my people will forget;
    [p]Scatter them by Your power, and bring them down,
    O Lord, our shield.
    12 [q]On account of the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips,
    Let them even be caught in their pride,
    And on account of curses and [r]lies which they utter.
    13 [s]Destroy them in wrath, [t]destroy them that they may be no more;
    That men may know that God [u]rules in Jacob
    To the ends of the earth. Selah.
    14 They return at evening, they howl like a dog,
    And go around the city.
    15 They wander about [v]for food
    And [w]growl if they are not satisfied.

    16 But as for me, I shall sing of Your strength;
    Yes, I shall joyfully sing of Your lovingkindness in the morning,
    For You have been my stronghold
    And a refuge in the day of my distress.
    17 O my strength, I will sing praises to You;
    For God is my stronghold, the [x]God who shows me lovingkindness

  279. poohpity says:

    God who knows the heart of every person has every right to point His finger of condemnation but rather decided to save us instead.

    David wrote that Psalm before he committed adultery and murder. I bet that he then cried out for mercy not justice!

  280. Beloved says:

    1 Corinthians 5
    Immorality Rebuked
    (Leviticus 20:10-21; Proverbs 5:1-23)
    1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this?

    3Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesusa and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.b

    6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old leaven, that you may be a new unleavened batch, as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old bread, leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and of truth.

    Expel the Immoral Brother
    9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. 10I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

  281. Beloved says:

    Paul calls it “boasting and pride“ to not point the finger.

  282. foreverblessed says:

    12 What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church?

    That got my attention!

    Better to pray for those outside the church, for the rioters for no the revolutionary’s.
    Pray, intercessory prayer!!!

    Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
    Open their hearts
    Sow a seed of hope, of comfort

  283. Beloved says:

    Forever I have been listening on YouTube: True Prayer, True Power! Charles Spurgeon Sermon. It is fantastic I know you would love it too if you have time.

  284. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and bGg… Enjoyed reading ROMANS 9, and I have a little bit of musing to share. The NIV version divided ROMANS 9 into three sections…

    Section 1: Paul’s Anguish Over Israel
    Section 2: God’s Sovereign Choice
    Section 3: Israel’s Unbelief

    From those three sections, and the, thought-provoking, last verse, this Bible verse came to mind…

    Isaiah 28:16, HCSB
    Therefore the Lord God said: “Look, I have laid a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; the one who *believes* [in Him] will be *unshakable.*

    85 degrees (feels like 90) and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  285. Regina says:

    jeff1, So glad you enjoyed and appreciate the Negro National Anthem. Again, I think it’s one of the most *beautiful* poems (set to music) I’ve ever heard! I never get tired of listening to it…

  286. Beloved says:

    I read about the Nika riots wow! Not a sports fan.

  287. Beloved says:

    Then naturally I thought of Nike and found this, well known around the world:

    In Greek mythology, Nike is the Winged Goddess of Victory. The logo is derived from goddess’ wing,’swoosh’, which symbolises the sound of speed, movement, power and motivation.

  288. Beloved says:

    Swoosh! Sounds like the Rapture to me😊

  289. foreverblessed says:

    That song is beautiful! (The “black” song)

    Thanks Beloved, when I have time I try to listen.
    Instead of moaning of all the things that go wrong, what I have been doing, I can use my time better in laying them on the altar, in prayer and with Thanksgiving! What a slow learner I am. I know that Jesus is Lord of all, shouldn’t I just trust Him He knows what to do?

    Today we had our first church service.
    It was wonderful in a different sort of way.
    We could not sing, but the music group on the podium could. And I was on the podium.
    Everything that we have taken for granted, like going to church every week, it was not any more.
    How much we take for granted!

    The bible verse that was used was:
    Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and the yeast ofHerod.
    Marc 8:15

    I have been wondering what that meant, for years.
    And why Jesus said it, while they were worrying about the bread that they had forgotten.

    The message got lost, Jesus had to point them out how slow they were in trusting Jesus.

    But Jesus warned
    Not to use the power of religiosity
    Nor use the power of politics.

    No power, just the humble invitation to accept Jesus.
    A free choice, not a forced choice.

    Nobody should be forced to follow Jesus, by sowing fear of hell, by manipulation by political power.

    A free choice.

    Oh dear, Oh Lord, forgive the church, forgive the people that used power to make nations accept Christianity, like Charlemagne subdued the Saxons and forced them to become Christians and if not they would be made slaves.
    Forgive our past.
    Let us be the humble church. Preaching the Good News of the Kingdom of God. In deeds, in example, in words, your inspired words.

    Dear Lord, forgive us, in Jesus’ Name.

  290. poohpity says:

    Thank God that that forgiveness has already been given so one need not ask for it again because God is faithful that it has already been done and finished at the Cross for past, present and future sins.

  291. Beloved says:

    How did you sing to people? Did you stand behind a plastic partition? I’ve been thinking about how that would work because singing in masks would be hard. I’ve heard that our breath carries the virus and shouting or singing pushes it out farther. Oh well I always find something to worry about. ☹️

  292. Beloved says:

    Thinking about cheap grace and costly discipleship. A relationship makes all the difference doesn’t it. Pride has no place at Jesus’s feet. Do not be deceived, we reap what we sow. He’s as real as the skin on your heart and hands. And just as close. Just as close..

  293. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, no we had no masks. But we were wide apart from the audience, only 100 people were allowed, (we had to sign up beforehand.via email) and

    Yes, they say it hangs in the air, aerosols, so when the air is refreshed, it is taken out of the room.
    But the windows were closed.

    I had been praying about it, do I go, but I felt the urge to go.
    This afternoon I will be going to the nursing home, to give painting classes. The first time, since beginning of March.
    I will open the windows.
    And I pray!
    Please pray for me, and the people living there.

    There have been some deaths in that nursing home, but they do not want to give the figures.
    I know of at least 10. 10 out of 250.
    The person’s that were least disciplined, who did not follow the rules (who did not stay inside, and had visitors) were the religious people, the monks and priests. And nuns.
    One nun had a visitor, her brother, beginning of April, and he had covid, he didn’t know it at the time of the visit.
    She fell down, and died a few days later. She was not tested. But one of the signs of covid is instability, it effects the balancing organ. She was 93, so of good age.

    Praying, yes!!!

    And I really felt to pray about how Christianity was forced on the people here. We still have the effects of it:
    People would rather pray to Maria, and all the saints, rather than to Jesus.
    The Saxons did not understand the Gospel of Jesus, so they came up with the saints, and the relics, and made up stories of miracles that happened because of the relics. Jesus was pushed to the side.

    We still have the consequences of those choices made by the rulers, Charlemagne and missionaries.
    Yes, and I felt to pray about it, like Daniel prayed about his people, Daniel 9:4-19

    Daniel had not sinned in the sense of forsaking the Lord as his countrymen had done, but he prayed as if it was his sin.

    Our sins and the iniquity of our fathers v16
    We, as a church have made the wrong decisions, we as a Christian nation have used powerplay, and we were not like Jesus,
    Jesus was the humble Servant, He invites us to a relation with Him
    “Come to Me all who are heavy laden…”

    He does not force or manipulate, nor make up wonderful stories of saints and miracles.

    Rather, He says, if you follow me, you “hate” your own life,
    Hate in the sense of: you love Jesus more than your old life.

    I would read Rom 8:1 again:
    “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death.

    The law of the Spirit of life.

    We are revived spiritually by the Spirit of God, through Jesus.
    That is a mystical message.
    We need to pray that people their eyes may be opened to this Gospel message.


  294. jeff1 says:

    I don’t see as God does which is why I shouldn’t judge but that has never stopped me playing God in the past and so I do reap what I sow but thankfully owing to a merciful God I don’t get what I deserve.

    Forgetfulness is usually in the elderly and when I hear comments like the Jews crucified Christ coming from a woman whose knowledge of the Bible and love of Christ I would not question then I am reminded of how easy it is to forget that Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection was God’s will to save a dying world.

    As you say, Pooh, God is faithful in remembering our sins no more because He knows what we are made of.

    We are not so different as we are the same but God is true to His Word in not forgetting.

    What ever will be, will be, the future is not ours to see but God will direct me to my home in the sky because He is willing and He is able and He loves this wayward child.

    And the ‘Good News’ is that He is inclusive and not exclusive when I take my blinkers off long enough to see this.

  295. Beloved says:

    Thank you Forever the ministry you have been given or any of us for that matter comes with a cost- to give our very lives sometimes. I was praying about this last night after God revealed some things about me that needed changing. You have been a help to me and I will be praying for the gospel message in your nursing home today; as you go on your way rejoicing!

  296. Beloved says:

    “No human mind can adequately estimate the infinite value of the divine sacrifice, for although the sin of God’s people is great, the atonement that takes it away is immeasurably greater. Therefore, even when sin rolls in like a flood, and the remembrance of the past is bitter, the believer can still stand before the blazing throne of the great and holy God and cry, “Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised.”4 While the recollection of the believer’s sin fills him with shame and sorrow, its very darkness serves to show the brightness of mercy; guilt is the dark night in which the fair star of divine love shines with serene splendor.”
    Charles Spurgeon

  297. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and, for those of you who celebrated, I pray you had a happy (July 4th) holiday! BGg, I am well. I heard fireworks well into the night on the 4th, and I thought, “hmm?, someone is milking this holiday for all it’s worth!” Lol!! Indeed, forever, the NNA is beautiful! Have enjoyed listening to Discover the Word for the past several mornings. And, Vivian Mabuni, the special guest this morning referenced Romans 8:1-4 in her teaching on Dependence on the Holy Spirit. Was truly blessed by the Word! If I type Romans 8:1-4, NIV, you’ll be able to read it here on the blog. It’s a good habit and discipline to refresh our minds with the word of God every morning. Well, I’m getting ready to clean out my personal email box and my work email box, and (sometimes) that can be quite a chore. Happy Monday!

    Looking forward to ROMANS 10! :-)

    80 degrees (feels like 86 degrees) and partly cloudy (with a 40% chance of rain) in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  298. poohpity says:

    I thought she was on discover the word a couple of weeks ago doing “Open Hands, Willing Heart” and last week was “The Evil Eye” and this week started a new series “The Great Doxology”.

    It is 112 degrees here right now @ 5:47pm no chance of rain or breathing for that matter, lol. Man o man it is hot and I have to go to the store.

  299. jeff1 says:

    I grew up in a culture that was very much ‘us and them’ and for those who do not know I am not talking ‘black and white’ but ‘orange and green’ and so it seems the past keeps coming back to haunt us all as I for one am weary of the truth that our past still today convict’s our present.

    On both sides of the divides are right and wrong but that is only because I lived through troubled times do I see this and so many see from their side of the fence and are oblivious to any wrongs other than what is done to them personally.

    Politicians and religious leaders on both sides have done and still do their part in ensuring they keep power by reinforcing widely held beliefs of the past.

    Like Bratimus and my dad I see that religion and politics are a murky world and so I now see why my dad was so strict on keeping his focus on Christ.

    You are a man of few words, Bratimus, and when the rest of us here during the troubles was mouthing of I couldn’t help but notice that my dad was a man of few words.

    He may have been man of few words but he was also one of great insight and he didn’t get it from being influenced by the rest of us but by his willingness to put God first in his life and I believe God gave him the insight as reward for his efforts.

    God who made the earth,
    the air, the sky, the sea,
    who gave the light it’s birth,
    CARETH for me.

    God who made the grass,
    the flow,’r, the fruit, the tree,
    the day and night to pass,
    CARETH for me.

    God who made the sun,
    the moon, the stars, is he
    who, when life’s clouds come on,
    CARETH for me.

    God who sent His Son
    to die on Calvary,
    He if I lean on Him,
    will care for me.

  300. bratimus says:

    I was kind of curious about the song “Lift Every Voice and Sing”.

    -Many people are surprised to learn that “Lift Every Voice and Sing” was first written as a poem. Created by James Weldon Johnson, it was performed for the first time by 500 school children in celebration of President Lincoln’s Birthday on February 12, 1900 in Jacksonville, FL. The poem was set to music by Johnson’s brother, John Rosamond Johnson, and soon adopted by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) as its official song. Today “Lift Every Voice and Sing” is one of the most cherished songs of the African American Civil Rights Movement and is often referred to as the Black National Anthem.-

    It took me a whole 5 minutes to find out this information.

    It is important as individuals to look into things on are own. rather blindly go along with the mob and what it is telling you what is what.

    I’m very careful on what news media outlets I watch most are just propaganda machines for the left side of the political spectrum. I read more news then watch.

    In Christ Jesus name


  301. poohpity says:

    Bratimus, I to am very careful about what gets fed into my mind especially with the news media and yes the vast majority is left leaning. I watch a mixture of stations but it is certain people that tend to inform rather than trying to influence people that has my attention most. Over this year I found a new station called “newsy” that is really growing on me and that is their motto, “inform not influence”.

    I actually have not ever seen in my 66 years so much propaganda and hate posing as news but turning out to be brainwashing to those who believe everything they hear.

  302. poohpity says:

    Journalism seems to be a dying breed and opinions have taken over were supplying informations used to be.

  303. street says:

    us and them

    how long before we are One Lord?

    are we there yet?

    Isaiah 40:7-9

    The grass withers, the flower fades,
    When the breath of the Lord blows upon it;
    Surely the people are grass.
    The grass withers, the flower fades,
    But the word of our God stands forever.

    Get yourself up on a high mountain,
    O Zion, bearer of good news,
    Lift up your voice mightily,
    O Jerusalem, bearer of good news;
    Lift it up, do not fear.
    Say to the cities of Judah,
    “Here is your God!”
    Behold, the Lord God will come with might,
    With His arm ruling for Him.
    Behold, His reward is with Him
    And His recompense before Him.
    Like a shepherd He will tend His flock,
    In His arm He will gather the lambs
    And carry them in His bosom;
    He will gently lead the nursing ewes.

  304. jeff1 says:

    Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling
    Calling for you and for me
    See all the portholes
    He’s waiting and watching
    Watching for you and for me

    Come home, come home
    You who are weary come home
    Earnestly, tenderly Jesus is calling
    Calling all sinners, come home

    All for the wonderful love he has promised
    Promised for you and for me
    Through all our suffering
    He has mercy and pardon
    Pardon for you and for me

    Come home, come home
    You who are weary come home
    Earnestly, tenderly Jesus is calling
    Calling all sinners, come home.

  305. street says:

    All for the wonderful love he has promised
    Promised for you and for me
    Through all our suffering
    He has mercy and pardon
    Pardon for you and for me

    mercy and pardon for sin, a shared suffering for righteousness sake, he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, and lives unto God in Christ Jesus.

    to be conform to His Image of the invisible God.

  306. jeff1 says:

    Land of Hope and Glory,
    Mother of the Free,
    How shall we extol thee,
    who are born of thee?
    Wider still and wider shall
    thy bounds be set;
    God, who made thee mighty,
    make thee mightier yet.
    God, who made thee mighty,
    make thee mightier yet.

  307. Beloved says:

    I’ve been thinking about what it means to “redeem the time” as some translations put it since I seem to have more mundane days than not anymore.

    Ephesians 5:15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil.

    Maclaren says our purpose in living each day is “that we should glorify God and enjoy Him forever.” A Christian worldview way of thinking yields present and future rewards. Heavenly rewards! The pain of suffering becomes less painful then.

    Wonder what new surprises tomorrow will bring on the local and world stage?

  308. SFDBWV says:

    Regina and Bratimus, “Lift Every Voice and Sing” is indeed a beautiful poem, and no I have not heard the music put to it.

    Thank you both for sharing the poem as well as giving some history about it.

    Discussion of racial issues are a mine field and a “tar baby” issue that has pit falls and trappings only because of how others may observe what is said.

    Some might say it is best to just not say anything. But that really doesn’t help solve anything.

    Andy Stanley thinks if we lived with people of another color we may view their side of life better. I am certain he is right.

    Yet even that concept is a statement of us and them.

    An old work friend of mine “Bernie” and his wife both are Christian’s and black, and at that time in my life they lived in a larger community about 40 minutes from here. Keyser is the county seat of Mineral County and has a diverse population of blacks and whites.

    Yet there in Keyser there are two different American Legions, one black, one white. There are also churches which are, black and white.

    It is just the way it is and has been for generations.

    Bernie and I used to discuss everything as men do when they work together every day. And one of the discussions Bernie ask me one evening was “Where did I think different races come from?”

    He and I had as usual been discussing Bible or theological things at the time. And is to be added that Bernie and his wife are both college graduates.

    My quick draw answer to his question was that I thought different races of people came from the inbreeding of the peoples that God had separated with language at the Tower of Babel after they dispersed and moved all over the world.

    He later told me that his wife and he could agree with that idea.

    Of course that was just a theory of mine and remains so.

    Yet it also remains as a good question. God created man. One man and from him one woman. So where and perhaps why are there different races?

    I think I will leave it here for now and let some of you think about it.

    59 degrees f a little light fog over the river and a pleasant cool morning.


  309. jeff1 says:

    It is in worshipping God that I am strengthened and the pain of suffering feels less so.

    It is in knowing that whatever my circumstances I can rely on His presence and so I can cry out to Him again and again and He doesn’t tire of my neediness.

    Others grow tired of my neediness but God is faithful in comforting me in a world that can be demanding and uncaring,

    When I see His hand then I am reassured that He is enough, I can know peace in the world when I put my trust in Him.

    There is a greenhill far away,
    without a city wall,
    were the dear Lord was crucified,
    who died to save us all.

    We may not know, we cannot tell,
    What pains he had to bear,
    But we believe it was for us
    He hung and suffered there.

    There was no other good enough
    To pay the price of sin,
    He only could unlock the gate of heav’n and let us in,

    Oh, dearly, dearly has he loved!
    And we must love him too,
    And trust in his redeeming blood,
    And try his works to do.

  310. poohpity says:

    “Tar Baby” is a horrible racial slur born in the south when prejudices and ignorance were at an all time high. I have not heard that terminology for decades.

    If the human race began from being formed out of the dust of the earth, I have never seen white dust(Genesis 2:7). So I would say that our forefathers were people of color and through evolution they became lighter and lighter. Therefore the shade of one’s skin went from being darker to lighter not the other way around.

    To my recollection the beauty of dark skin was first mentioned in the Song of Solomon but the only mention of difference in people was about the place they were born not the color of their skin and being in the middle east I would say that darker skin was the norm and not a means of separation. The slaves that were found back then were of a conquered people not dependent on skin color but on nationality.

  311. Beloved says:

    I found this book review and I think there is hope for racial healing. We may not see it in our lifetimes though but Some Day.

    MLK’s Theological Case for Racial Justice (and Today’s Thin Alternatives)

    By James S. Spiegel

    Professor James Spiegel writes that Martin Luther King’s Christian theological ethics provides the crucial philosophical foundation for racial justice secular alternatives such as that utilitarianism, Kantian ethics, virtue ethics, and social contractarianism fail to achieve. He argues that either we must readmit theological considerations into the public square or surrender hope for the achievement of lasting racial justice in the United States.

  312. phpatato says:


    I apologize for it being a few days since you requested “(I want my Canadian friends on this blog site to chime in if this info is not correct)”. As with everybody, life at times can be busy. For me this time, my twin grandsons and the sleepover at Nana’s, chewed up most of my time.

    I also want to thank you for your reply to what I wrote on July 4 by not hammering me with FYIs and retorts. In fact, thank you for all your replies, regardless of to whom they were written. You have been respectful and kind, your words seasoned with salt and pleasant to taste. You are one who knows that disagreeing with someone does not have to be nasty and confrontational, ESPECIALLY from the get-go, right off the bat. And, you not giving me your reason as to why you disagree also shows me that you aren’t opinionated, who possesses that strong desire of proving you know it all and are always right. Thank you. (That is one of the reasons why I mostly read only. I find commenting on this blog is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re going to get when you comment.)

    Now to “chime” in…..chicken can of course be served on Canada Day, although as far as I know, it is not considered “the” national fare. What is popular on Canada Day is anything done on the bbq – foods that are easily cooked for family and friend get-togethers or foods that are easily transported for picnics or camping (if Canada Day falls to make for a long weekend). I call them summer foods – bbq’d hamburgers, hot dogs, chicken (leg, wings) served with a couple different salads…potato, macaroni, tossed. You’ll probably see a couple bowls filled with different flavours of potato chips – plain, ketchup, salt n vinegar, dill pickle or barbecue. Depending upon where you are in Canada, you may find a “local” touch served because of the food being readily available at some point during the year and is either fresh, frozen, jarred or bottled ….Atlantic provinces could have something with salmon/lobster (Nova Scotia it will be blueberries), Quebec something with maple syrup, Ontario – strawberries, Saskatchewan – Saskatoon berries, Alberta definitely anything with beef and British Columbia – the classic Nanaimo Bar, which is named after the city of Nanaimo in British Columbia.

    Different cultures within Canada have their own special foods which marks their unique heritage/culture and is prepared for their special celebration day or just served whenever only because it is part of their heritage/culture.

    That’s it. Canada Day cuisine…to my knowledge.

    Hazy, hot and humid day in store today with a heat wave expected for the next week or so. It’s 89 F, feels like 94 with the humidity right now. Tomorrow the forecast high is 95 and with humidity could feel over the 100 mark. It’s not as hot as Pooh’s weather. A dry heat is different than a humid heat though and I think I’d rather have the dry. Having said that, it will be almost a month since I have had to cut the grass. It’s so dead it crackles underfoot when walking on it. Farmers especially are praying for rain.

    Blessings to all


  313. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and bGg,…

    Pat, No worries re: being a few days late in your response to my “Canada Day” cuisine validation. I’m just glad that you thought enough of my request to respond at all. Wow… you’re ((so)) blessed to have twin grandsons! In a world where so many people want children and (for whatever reason) can’t have them, and so many people have children and don’t want them, it’s a *true* blessing to have children and/or grandchildren and *truly* love them. Your “thank you” and kind words (to me) brought me to tears! Since I’ve been grown, I’ve always tried to treat others the way I want to be treated. And I shared on this blog, a few days ago, that I am, at my core-being, a peacemaker. I have *never* liked arguments and contention. And, before I was divorced, my ex-spouse used to force and coerce me into arguments and disagreements. When we argued it felt like I could “physically” feel the contention and strife. My relationship with him caused me to be emotionally and psychologically sick. So, when the Lord Jesus opened the door and allowed me to get out of that relationship, I was exceedingly and abundantly blessed by that gift of freedom. That blessing (of a divorce) changed my life because it allowed me to fully embrace my God-given attributes, the number one attribute being a “peacemaker.” Matthew 5:9 (any translation)

    Further, I’m so blessed and encouraged by the (BTA) friends from other countries on this blog site! If it weren’t for friends like you, foreverblessed, jeff1, bubbles and Cornwall Bob (for those of you who remember him), I wouldn’t know anything about what it’s like to be a Christian in Canada, the Netherlands, Northern Ireland and England. My world has been very small… I have never traveled outside my country. So, for me, you all bring a variety to the blog site, and we (Americans) enjoy experiencing (even if it’s on a small level) what it’s like to live in your country. Thank you for sharing your “Canada Day” cuisine! :-) Some of your food choices and American I.D. food choices are exactly the same (e.g. hamburgers, hotdogs, chicken, different salads, fruit and chips). I’m curious about the “Nanaimo Bar.”
    Although there are different cultures in America, I’m pretty sure we eat the same foods or (at least) some of the same foods on Independence Day. Happy Wednesday! <3

    jeff1, I wasn’t at all sure that I knew where your country was located, so I looked it up on a map. I don’t remember studying world geography at all when I was in school, which is a sad reflection on the past (to say the least). But I thank God that all is not lost. I’ll just study world geography as an adult. I have some questions for you… If you had a choice, would you rather live in Northern Ireland or Ireland proper? Have you lived in Ireland your entire life? Have you ever lived anywhere else (*even if it was only for a short period of time)? Have you ever been married? If so, is your husband still alive, and how many children did you have (*I already know about Jeff)? What’s the worst thing about your country? What’s the best thing about it? If you could live anywhere else in the world, where would you live?

    Ok… At first, I was only curious about jeff1's life in Northern Ireland, but now I'm also curious about forever's life in the Netherlands, Pat and bubbles life in Canada and Cornwall Bob's life (and how he's doing) in England (it really would be a blessing to hear from him). So, I would truly appreciate it if all of my BTA friends who live in another country would answer the aforementioned questions.

    Enjoyed reading ROMANS 10, and I heard a beautiful quote while listening to Discover the Word today that I believe sums it up (would welcome any/all to read ROMANS 10 to see if you agree with me)… Here's the quote:

    “Jesus *loves* me, this I know… Jesus *knows* me, this I love!”

    Looking forward to ROMANS 11!

    94 degrees (feels like 106 degrees) and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  314. Regina says:

    ps. Will pray for an abundance of rain to come to your neck of the woods, Pat. Does anyone else need rain in your area?

  315. poohpity says:

    Regina, bubbles lives in the same state as Steve, WV! I will be praying for rain for Texas and Ontario.

  316. street says:

    thinking about how the israelies were not allowed to inter-marry or worship the god’s of the land they were entering. there was provision in the law to bring out-siders into israel, rahab and ruth come to mind, even property. yet a physical separation is a manifestation of a Spiritual separation to God. a visible manifestation of something Spiritual. there is no agreement between light and darkness. these separations are by faith or trust in God not the law. a conduct or way of life. been reading in Deuteronomy about how we are to treat each other. i get that we are sinful wretches who have been given incredible promises. that encourage us to be faithful.

  317. bubbles says:

    Hello, Regina. Yes, as pooh said, I live about 4 hours (?) south of Steve, Glenna, and Matt. I was able to visit with them two years ago. I saw the heart shaped rock where he feeds the birds, all of the bird feeders, the swing where he and Glenna sit, and I had the best chocolate cake and very good spring water right from the hill near their property. Yes, this place has safe spring water! You can see the Potomac River right across the street from their place. It was nice seeing dear friends in person and all of the things he has shared with us here in the blog. There’s several places out in rural areas where one can drive along country roads and a pipe will come protrude from the hillside with spring water flowing! I’ve drunk water from a place up a holler just like this. “Holler” is Appalachian vernacular; except we say “up th’ holler.” Like you, I’ve never had the opportunity to travel outside our country.

    A friend and I were having a conversation about a integral doctrine. The other person does not agree because ‘it’s not taught in the Bible.’ We are told to be ready to give an answer. I shared Old Testament verses and then the New Testament verses that taught this particular teaching. Mainly how the NT was the fulfillment of the OT verses. These verses were from Exodus, Isaiah, Hosea, and other places. Then in the NT, I shared how they were fulfilled; how they were used by Jesus, John the Baptist, and the disciples of Jesus and Paul. I was not angry, but I wanted to show with Scripture, not just because someone said it was true. I did not share with anger; I sincerely wanted the other person to see where it was actually taught in the Bible. The reply I received was Moses, John the Baptist, John, Paul, and others were NOT God. I was told I was trying to prove them wrong using the Bible. No, I was showing where it was *taught* in the Bible; not to prove anyone one wrong, but to help. Then I was asked how the Bible had changed me; they have always spoken as if they are the only one who has been changed by the Word; they are the only ones who do what the Bible says. I was put down because I have some verses memorized. (The verses I shared were not memorized; I copied down each one.)
    Then the other person told me no one wanted to teach them when they asked questions. What I have encountered on several occasions with this individual is they have certain ideas and when I share verses to show what the Bible says, and it happens to not concur with their ideas, I am met with arguing and questioning simple vocabulary. There have been other instances this has happened over other integral things such as how does one get saved, communion and why we use the bread and juice/new wine, and why other food like pizza is not what is used for communion. Even the validity of Scripture has been questioned, and that is a constant. When all else fails, they come back with doubts about the Bible and the words in the Bible–are they what was actually written, or is the copy we have today done in such a way to manipulate us. No matter what I say, I am met with arguments. It’s as though they do not want to hear the truth. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. If they refuse to hear. . . If they question the Word itself as being inspired. . . And this one teaches others. . . . I don’t want to argue and cause issues; I wanted to help with understanding, that’s all. When does one stop trying to help with using the Bible? I am not a theologian and I am not a scholar, but these simple things are very important and I’m concerned people are being taught incorrect things. Do I let this go? Do I stop communication and trying to help? I don’t know what to do.

  318. Beloved says:

    My Utmost was very helpful today as I ponder where God is leading me. Very helpful. Strange how all my worries concerns and fears melt away in His presence. He is so good! Strange in a non-earthly way.

  319. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles, I read your comment, and it almost brings me to tears. We have had a visitor, he just left. He is an old time friend from that fundamentalistic church. ( We had a very strong social bond within that church, that’s why people stay in these cultic churches, the human ties are so strong).
    He was in trouble and we helped him.
    A personal relation with Jesus is not what we had. He now has put Jesus aside. He laughs about it. He searches and searches everywhere, now in the Indian goeroe’s.
    I have been praying for him, prayers and prayers.

    Pray for these people!

    I have to learn to pray, and then leave the man on the altar, learning to trust Jesus! That because of my prayer He started to work, in the unseen.
    When he left today, I said I was praying for him. And he said: prayer never had done harm.
    But he refused a Christian book I gave him.
    That was sad, but I prayed to God: This man’s life is not on my shoulder.
    But the man said he was very thankful for our help.

    God let’s people search, The forgiving Father let the youngest son go. The father must have felt sadness about the course of his youngest son. But He waited, till the son had tried all different courses, just like the Preacher did it.
    To find fulfillment only Jesus can bring in a heart.

    But we must wait, till someone is at the end of himself.
    ( Only a sick person needs a doctor.)

    And in the mean time pray: with faith in Jesus.
    Beloved I listened to that sermon the secret power of prayer by Surgeon.
    Thanks! It taught me to focus, focus on one thing and put your whole heart in it.
    I prayed, “who shal I focus on?”, and then this man came to us.

    Beloved, thanks for your prayer for the nursing home. I ask God for more faith that He will work in hearts.
    I took it to heart what you said to happily work there. And I did.

    The message that Jesus is our Savior is a mystical message.
    That we live spiritually through the Spirit through Jesus, is spiritual. We have to pray for people, so the Spirit can work in hearts, before they can accept Christ

  320. foreverblessed says:

    “And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give Life to your mortal bodies, through His Spirit, who lives in you”
    Rom 8:11

    Regina, that is a big question you ask to me, I will write it some other time, now I go to my chores, as you often have said, lol. Meant in the best possible way. And yes, thank you too for your peace making. Pat wrote about that in a touching way.

    And that song Jeff:
    Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling
    Calling for you and for me…

    Wonderful. As Christians we have to be humble and soft and willing to suffer, instead of striking back opposition to Jesus.
    What a long way to learn
    That we may be One in Him

    Softly and tenderly…

  321. bratimus says:

    The Bible says that WE are to plant the seed and water, and the Lord God does the growing.

    In this garden WE are planting and watering, the growing might not be in this season it could be in seasons down the road. WE may plant the seed and have to wait for someone else to come along and water. Every thing will grow in its season. This is where faith, hope and love come in. To give us the patients to wait on the growing.

    Through the years I have shared the words of God with a few, not knowing if I was seeding or watering. I won’t know if there was any growing until, well you know.

    I also came to realize some just want to argue over the words of God, I try to stay out of those conversation. Just try to talk about the weather or something else with those.

    If WE lean on our faith, hope and love the wait of the season won’t become are own stumbling block.

    In Christ Jesus name


  322. street says:

    us and them
    this world and the Kingdom

    thinking of the three festivals israel is to celebrate.
    passover weeks and tabernacle.

    passover, the death of the innocent, substitution for the guilty, and freedom from enslavement. freedom from sin and death

    weeks the beginning of harvest till it is ended. the parable talk about two things about the harvest. the gathering up the tares and burning them first, and then gather the fruit into the barn. angels or messengers are involved with this.

    festival of tabernacles, i understand they were required to build temporary shelters and live in them. thinking of the temple Jesus is building, a permanent dwelling place. a dwelling place that God dwells. in Revelation it speaks of no Temple…in the Holy City 22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

    thinking about trust in the Divine Word/Love/Faithfulness of God. never changing. making all things new.

  323. poohpity says:

    Good word Chris!

  324. bubbles says:

    Thank all of you for your wisdom. You are correct; I couldn’t see the forest for the trees because I truly care. Thank you, and have a good day today. Happy Thursday. Aren’t Thursdays wonderful days?

    Regina, currently I’m reading Isaiah like your’e doing Romans. I sit on the porch in the corner where there is shade every morning and read that and Proverbs. Isaiah is SCARY and it has caused me to earnestly pray for our nation.

  325. Beloved says:

    Forever I watched a video about an Amish man and his family who were excommunicated because he got an English Bible and read it learning that Jesus was the Savior! His church only used a German translation which none could read or understand but went by the “rules” adopted by the governing elders determining inclusion in the group. It was so interesting! They only have education up until age 13 so are limited in learning what the Bible says but used a dictionary to help with big words. He really loves Jesus and he shares Jesus wherever he goes along with his wife and children. They decided to stay in their home place because Jesus told them to. They found a church of Amish and Mennonite who know Jesus but can still live as they were taught by their traditions, very simply. They also have regular Bible study and fellowship in their home. It was so encouraging to see the Spirit of God at work in these seemingly hopeless situations. Yes I believe it’s important to share the word yet know when it’s time to be quiet while the LORD is doing His work in deeper places of the heart, as others have said already.

  326. Beloved says:

    I was surprised when he said they don’t speak German but Pennsylvania Dutch! Their German Bible must have come from generations past.

  327. Beloved says:

    Isaiah without Jesus in it IS scary.

  328. street says:

    thinking of losing the very language you were brought up on. like the law it passes away, when Christ comes. i think of all the music lost from the Psalms. to lose the music of a nation. Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you. you will never be lost. He will be the joy and music of our soul, The Eternal One.

    20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

    3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    John 20:29
    Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    our faith is based on the law of moses, the prophets, Jesus, and the testimony of His disciples, which is the Anointed One, crucified. it truly is finished.

    waiting like a smelter, the fire does not hurt the Saints

    Isaiah 43:2
    “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; And through the rivers, they will not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched, Nor will the flame burn you.

  329. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray that you and yours are well, and, bGg,… I had a humble bowl of oatmeal with brown sugar about two hours ago, and it was really good.

    Thank you, pooh, re: bubbles’ native homeland. Wow… I thought she was a Canadian. So, she’s an American and that makes us “country sisters!” :-) Also want to thank you for your prayers for rain in Texas and Ontario. We, Texans, have been receiving some good rain, but I welcome your prayers for more. Texans can afford to be greedy when it comes to rain! Lol!

    Hello, bubbles! I think it’s so awesome that you live so close to Steve, Glenna and Matt. It’s also great that you were able to visit with them. I’ve often wondered what they look like, and have wondered about their house and surrounding property too… all (thoughts) borne out of Steve’s detailed description of his home and land. It’s so *godly good* to meet someone online, then build a relationship of trust (enough) to actually go visit them in person. Did you meet Steve online or did you meet him somewhere else? Your description of Steve’s home and property (also) created a picture in my mind… It looks so inviting and comfortable…a place that provides a good amount of comfort, but also requires a lot of work in order to maintain that level of comfort. I really admire Steve’s work ethic. I remember reading one of his comments several months (maybe even years) ago about his daily chores. I discovered, from his “word picture” that he’s not lazy, and he definitely considers the ant (Proverbs 6:6-8). I would love to taste fresh spring water (sigh). The only place I can get my hands on some really good spring water is at the grocery store (and I thank God for it). Fiji makes the best spring water in my opinion. Plus, I love the pretty pink flower on the bottle.

    Regarding the (spiritual) conversation you had with your friend, I agree wholeheartedly, with forever, *bratimus (*I too agree that you shared a good Word, brat!) and beloved, that you have to believe that you planted a seed or watered someone else’s seed. No matter what the reaction of the person. We “plant” or “water” the seed, but God gives the increase. So, if that happens again, after sharing the Word of God, based on the divine revelation that God deposited in your spirit, no matter what the person says, don’t allow his or her words to depress your spirit. Just politely end the conversation, (maybe) offer the person some food or drink, and allow him or her to go their way in a spirit of kindness. Then, when you’re alone, during your quiet time with the Lord, explain to Him what happened and ask Him to help you to be even more effective in your witness of who He is the next time He gives you an opportunity to share His Good News.

    Further, I think it’s great that you’re reading Isaiah and Proverbs! I can only handle *one* chapter (in a Bible book) at a time. And I’m indebted to bratimus for sharing his idea of reading one chapter over a two or three day period.

    Lol! re: Isaiah! :-) COVID-19, the protests, police brutality and the riots drove me to my knees–in earnest prayer for our nation–on a daily basis! Smh…

    Enjoyed reading your comment too, forever. Thank you for your sincere concern for others, and thank you for your compliment.

    93 degrees (feels like 103 degrees) with plenty of SUNSHINE in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,

  330. jeff1 says:

    Regina, I have only ever lived in Northern Ireland. I am a teenager of the troubles and the scars I have from that mean I will hope there won’t be an all Ireland in my day.

    I love to travel and have been blessed to have holidays in Florida, Tenerife, Majorca, Ibiza, Gran Canary, Jersey, Isle of Man and Torquay (English Rivera).

    I am separated though remain on friendly terms with ex as he suffers dementia and I help him with shopping and take him on days out.

    We go together to visit our son Jeffrey in England and I have another son in Australia.

    The worst thing about my country is the religious divide as it keeps all living in the past. It seems there are too many who benefit from keeping it that way and they continue to influence the younger generation as they don’t t want to loose the power or privileges they enjoy.

    The best thing about it are the ordinary people who want to see it prosper for the good of all and are willing to live and work alongside each other to accomplish that.

    If I wanted to live anywhere else it would likely be England (Devon/Cornwall) has the most beautiful authentic country cottages surrounded with flowers which I love.

    The city I love is also in England, York, it has cobbled streets, antique or what I call curiosity shops in abundance, old world English tea rooms and the most beautiful Cathedral.

    I know my own country is beautiful but because of all the hatred and division I feel uneasy in places but when I visit other countries I am much more at ease.

    I do live in a peaceful part but when I visit the city’s and see the neglected areas on both sides of the divide then I see how our history has affected our present because we have done nothing to rectify it.

    My only hope is that the troubles have highlighted the need for change and that future leaders will address the problems because poverty and hardship will drive people to do desperate things no matter the colour of one’s skin or religious persuasion
    and that’s a fact of life where ever we live.

  331. Beloved says:

    Billy Graham’s Decision Magazine has some very good articles on current events.

  332. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Jeff, so that is how you answer such a vast question.
    I love to live in the Netherlands. I am thankful that I was born here.
    My church of upbringing had American roots, so I wanted to live in California. There was a college, and the main church. I visited there as a teenager. But after that visit I thought the way of living was too different from here. Too much haste, and pressure.
    But in the mean time over here in Europe we have changed into living in haste and pressure.

    It is to my sadness that my country is hardly christian any more.
    But…. I think that people should be free to choose, you cannot force a Christian society on a population that is vastly not Christian.
    It is as in the beginning, the new church, a minority, that through good example, lovely humble people, good willed, full of trust in God, ful of His Love, spreading a sweet aroma of Christ.
    Showing unity among Christians, showing by being One that Jesus is Lord.

    That’s how it will be, when God refines His people.
    We cannot coerce people to be Christian.
    Charlemagne did it, that’s not Christlike.

    Praying is the thing! Pray for my country, for good government fair treatment of everybody.
    Praying for the criminal underworld, that makes drugs here, and spread it over the world, because we are a port and good organised country, good internet, even in the countryside.
    Praying for ….
    Surgeon taught me to narrow it down to one point, there are so many points not right.

    Regina wrote
    …Then, when you’re alone, during your quiet time with the Lord, explain to Him what happened ….
    Such good advice, and so hard to do. To let go,band leave it on God’s hands. That is my struggle.
    Do happily what God wanted, and then come back to Him, and report how it went.
    Just like as if you are in His Majesties secret service.

    Oh, how much more power we would have through Christ, if we prayed in unity.

    I pray for rain too in Texas! And cooler temperatures.
    May God bless you all!

  333. Beloved says:

    Forever how did your parents become interested in the group from California? So interesting how global we all are.

  334. Beloved says:

    Prayer in unity-

    I read that when we pray our LORDS prayer we are all praying for and with all believers.

  335. Beloved says:

    We are powerless but He is powerful to answer prayer.

  336. phpatato says:

    Thank you Regina for your prayers. Oddly enough, we received a brief shower this afternoon. It poured for about 5 mins, cleared up and has been sunny again since. I’ll take it! So far though, any rain that has been generated by thunderstorms seems to have fallen either just to the north of me or just to the south, and by just I mean maybe 5 miles in either direction. There are however, areas that are receiving rain because of thunderstorm activity, although it’s certainly not near enough. The forecast for this weekend calls for rain so hopefully it is a nice soaking and not a quick flood-type runoff.

    Here goes: Have you lived in Canada your entire life? – Yes I was born in the Province of Ontario and have lived most of my life here.

    Have you ever lived anywhere else (*even if it was only for a short period of time)? – I have lived in the Provinces of Manitoba and Alberta. My son was born in Calgary Alberta. Of Canada’s 10 provinces and 3 territories, I have not visited the province of Prince Edward Island nor the Yukon, Nunavut or Northwest Territories.

    Have you ever been married? If so, is your husband still alive, and how many children did you have? – I am married. It will be 46 years in November. I have 2 children, a girl and a boy. My daughter is married and has (as you know) twin boys; my son is yet a bachelor.

    What’s the worst thing about your country? – Honestly? The current Prime Minister. (And I did take the time to seriously think about that.) Enough said. lol

    What’s the best thing about it? – That’s a hard one to answer because it’s for me as everyone else and what they say about their country…the utter beauty of God’s creation. From the Atlantic to the Arctic to the Pacific oceans and the land mass in between, Canada is clean and spacious, abounding in natural resources. I consider myself so blessed to live inside its beauty. But besides the natural beauty of the country, I like that Canadians are viewed, for the most part, as peacemakers. People poke fun at us because we are always and forever saying sorry. We are sorry that we say sorry. lol

    If you could live anywhere else in the world, where would you live? – Within my extremely limited scope of the world, and based solely on where I have actually visited, I’d have to say Hawaii but not in a populated place. But I know there are oodles more places on earth that I am just as likely to say “There. I’d like to live there” if given the chance to travel. If I were 40 years younger I’d be actively researching to live off grid – in either Alberta, Montana or Colorado. I have always loved horses but never got the chance to actually live and work with any.

    Now my American neighbours, it’s your turn.

    Oh and a simple google search for Nanaimo bars will give you sites for the recipe but as found on the Canadian Living website: Nobody disputes the origin of these treats (Nanaimo, B.C.), but there’s always an opinion on the exact ingredients. lol And if you want to make it and can’t find any custard powder, apparently instant vanilla pudding is an okay substitute. I have never made them but I have eaten them at wedding/baby showers.

  337. Beloved says:

    Pat you are the same age as my daughter!

  338. phpatato says:

    Eh???!!!! I can’t be. I am married 46 years. not 46 years old. I married at 20. Quick math = 66 years old. lolol

  339. Beloved says:

    Ha ha I misread- a common problem but thanks for clarifying!

  340. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Pat for your comment, after I read it the picture of Canada, the Rocky mountains appeared in my mind: to me it looked like paradise.
    I visited Calgary in the summer of 1985, and 1995.
    Both times we made a tour to Banff, Lake Louise and Mt Edith Cavell, with Angel Glacier. Wherever I looked it was awesome, magnificent.
    And an emerald lake, in the valley of the ten peaks. Oh how lovely that was. And you could camp on lovely spots, making a campfire every night.
    I had family living there, they have long since moved back to Europe.
    Athabasca Glacier was impressive too, with the signs of the edge of the ice, per year. Then you can see how the Glacier is retreating. I was wondering how much is left of Angel glacier.
    Like two big wings of an angel, it reminded me that God gives his angels the duty to look after us. And our children.
    We were there in 1995, my husband and I, our children were 4 and 6, two boys, they really enjoyed it too. Our youngest son has ever since in mind to do nature trails, or how do you call it: survival in nature. But it is still a dream.

    We lived near London for a while, in 1992, in a lovely cottage in a wonderful village just one hour south of London by train.
    A village with all kinds of wonderful cottages, on a hillside all in the green belt, Woldingham.

    That was enough for me, living abroad, as life gets in a set of chores just the same wherever you live, only family and friends are far away. The excitement of everything that is new is disappearing and you get in the daily routine.
    I didn’t like it to be far away from family and friends. You can make new friends but not family. Grandma and grandpa not seeing their grandchildren.

    Besides, I am part of the Kingdom of heaven, we are “sojourners” here.

  341. foreverblessed says:

    …..admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
    Hebrews 11:13-16

    That verse was high on my list when I was young. Do not seek a home country here on earth. We are living and being prepared to live in God’s Kingdom!

    That was high on the agenda in my childhood church. My parents joined because of the high priority of endtime prophecies. I have heard lots of sermons on Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelation. In 1965, my parents thought the end was bear,faith the Cuba crisis, with the Club of Rome. As a child me and my siblings were keen on when we would “be taken away”, (or had to flee.)

    Now I know the essence of Christianity was missing:
    Having a personal relation with Jesus.
    That “being” in Jesus is where heaven is:
    We are already there, the suffering that is now, is nothing in comparison with the glory that will be.
    Romans 8:18

    I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

  342. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, typos:

    my parents thought the end was near, with the Cuba crisis, with the Club of Rome…

    Not bear, not with instead of faith.
    But I like the typo of Faith
    Faith in Jesus, Lord of all
    Merciful Wonderful Saviour
    Redeemer and best Friend

  343. jeff1 says:

    I have to agree, Forever, that you cannot force Christianity on non believers. Living in a democracy gives a person the right to choose and I don’t believe God forces people to His ways.

    I think that non Christians view God from culture and religion which is why they miss God’s goodness and mercy for all.

    Christians are too divided on God and that is because we have not focused on Christ which is what God commands us to do.

    There are just too many interpretations of the Bible and if we cannot agree on what it says then how do we expect mom Christians to trust what we say we know about God.

    It becomes every ones own opinion of God based on personal experience.

    I cannot see that being God’s intention but it does explain why we have all went our own way, all like sheep have gone astray and that’s not news to God so it seems God knows His creation much better than we know Him.

    It always comes back to God’s faithfulness to man rather than man’s faithfulness to God.

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