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This may be a better moment than most to remind ourselves what the wisdom that comes from above looks like.

After assuring readers that well intentioned requests for wisdom are always granted, a messenger of Jesus reminds brothers and sisters of the contrast between demonic and angelic wisdom. He helps us recall that, from the days of Eden, desires rooted in envy and self-centered ambition have been from below and headed for all kinds of conflict.

By contrast, James describes wisdom from above as (first and foremost) free of self-centered and ambitious contamination, (and instead) peace-loving, considerate, willing to yield, full of mercy and good outcomes, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Because the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters, am guessing that none of us will have all the right stuff by the time we process it through our own biases and inclinations. But sure seems like a good place to start again, together  :-)…

(James 1:5-8) (James 3:13-18)


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  1. poohpity says:

    I guess that seemingly explains a little further a possible reason why Aquinas considered his writing as straw after God’s wisdom passed or filtered through “our own biases and inclinations” especially through religious biases and inclinations brought forth from doctrines of some churches. The Catholic church held him in high regard while they demonized Martin Luther for calling them to account that people could not earn salvation but through faith it was gifted.

  2. poohpity says:

    It makes me think that the reason that church held Aquinas’ philosophies or high sounding nonsense in such high regard and they also did not want God’s word in the hand of the common people so that they could control and oppress them. While the teaching of Marin Luther was burned as he attempted to get God’s word into the hands of just regular people.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    What is wisdom?

    Personally I have always thought that the pre-events of the creation are in some way the reason for the creation and all of the events in the garden a sequence of events not only already known, but occurring just as God allowed.

    For His purpose.

    I believe this way because of a lifetime of trying to figure things out that make sense to me for a great many questions as to why.

    Why is it important for me to know why? Because knowing gives me peace of mind and rest.

    If your answer comes from above (as Mart puts it) and not from below, you can have peace and be settled and have rest from your quest.

    But wisdom is more than just knowledge, it is also knowing when to apply knowledge and how.

    Sin as ascribed in all of Scripture is for me always going to be about self-serving. However there are reasons and purposes that we ask from God something for ourselves that is not intended for us but for others. A thin line between self and selfless as doing for and giving to others also gives us…pleasure.

    What kind of pleasure is the difference.

    Interesting also how most everyone recognizes both as well as the difference between them; wisdom and knowledge.

    Our leaves are in full color along with cool days and cold nights with plenty of rain.

    Praying Bubbles gets her furnace fixed quickly.

    Steve

  4. bratimus says:

    What is interesting to me is how when mot speak of wisdom they think it has to do with how much knowledge one may have. It has been my experience that some of the most knowledgeable people are very lacking in wisdom. The most wisest people I have met in this journey of mine are ther most humble and meek of of us all. No college degrees not very knowledgeable in the knowledge of man, but very wise in life. I would rather have limited knowledge from God, then be all knowing in the knowledge of man.

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  5. jeff1 says:

    When I was younger I dismissed my dad’s Godly wisdom for the wisdom of those who were better educated, sophisticated and in positions of power.

    As I seen it they didn’t get where they were unless they knew better than he did and I suppose it is my dad I have to blame for that thinking because he was the one who brought me up to honour and obey those in authority over me.

    The difficulty for me being that those whom I put my trust in would eventually let me down and so it seems that makes me the foolish one.

    I think wisdom is overrated as I so often find that I am wise after the event when ideally I would need to be wise before it.

  6. poohpity says:

    Maybe people do not understand the difference in Godly wisdom and wisdom that is based on human being’s interpretation of wisdom.

    James 3: But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. 18 And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.

    Now the wisdom that comes from man is bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don’t cover up the truth with boasting and lying. 15 For jealousy and selfishness are not God’s kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic. 16 For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

  7. jeff1 says:

    Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom are very different which is why it is so difficult to find it especially in the modern world where there are such divisions in race, culture, religions and so on and so forth.

    You are living in the reality of a world that doesn’t know God as we know Him so we are aliens to them in a matter of speaking.

    Many of the younger generations have been brought up in their religious culture and that is the truth they live by.

    I watched a programme last night based on a true story of a Iraqi-Kurdish woman in Britain being murdered by her own family because she tried to leave the abusive husband chosen for her by them.

    In it you see it is the woman Detective who relentlessly pursues the killers even going to Iraq to get two of them extradited so they will stand trial for the murder.

    I have very little understanding of the world around me and what goes on it it only for watching this kind of programme.

    Godly wisdom today requires me to live in a fallen world were I will face unspiritual and demonic forces and not become tainted by it.

    Living in this world does not mean dissociation from it but protection from God in it whatever our associations.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    If you ever have read or take the time to read quotes from the “thinkers”, philosophers, and those whom famous enough to be quoted, you will find many wise statements.

    If you bother to read all of the Books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes you find much of the wisdom given there also given by such “thinkers”. Perhaps just said differently, but with the same intent.

    Incidentally there are 2 more Books of wisdom found in the Catholic Bible. “The Book of Wisdom” and “The Book of Sirach”.

    Interesting that wisdom is referred to as “her” in Proverbs, yet what do you make of Ecclesiastes 7:28 KJV concerning the subject is about wisdom?

    Steve

  9. poohpity says:

    Solomon so often speaks of “pursuing” wisdom not only in Proverbs but in “The Book of Wisdom” and “Sirach” so if you consider how James describes Godly wisdom you will see the essence of what we are to pursue. Example; Pursue peace, kindness, good deeds, mercy those are the wisdom of God. That does not include questioning God as to why things happen if we do that then we may end up with what God said to Job in chapters 40-42.

  10. SFDBWV says:

    Just don’t want anyone to be misled, Solomon did not write “The Book of Wisdom” nor “Sirach”.

    The Book of Wisdom was written by an unidentified author about 100 BC. He was a member of the Jewish community in Alexandria Egypt, and Sirach was written by a man oddly by the name of Jesus. The son of Eleazar, the son of Sirach between 200 and 175 BC. In Jerusalem.

    Steve

  11. jeff1 says:

    The pursuit of peace is what causes so much conflict in this world because even among Christians there is division on how to achieve it.

    I voted No on the Good Friday agreement as it would allow perpetrators of violence to get early release from prison.

    I was among the minority as the agreement was reached by the majority vote.

    Doing deals with terrorists did not seem right to me and so my conscience dictated that I acted accordingly.

    When I spoke to an English soldier who was for the agreement he said to me you are not the one picking up pieces of bodies from the bombings and though I understood where he was coming from since they suffered at the hands of terrorists here I still feel that for the victims of terrorism it must have been a difficult pill to swallow.

    Not long after, I spoke to a Roman Catholic woman who told me she had spoken to a prisoner released on the Good Friday agreement and she was angry after meeting him as he had been convicted of the murder of a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment, a father of three and she had known the soldier.

    I asked her was he remorseful for what he had done and she angrily retorted and said No he was boastful about his new start in life and I could see that like myself she did not think justice had been served.

  12. jeff1 says:

    Help us sense Your beauty, Lord,
    When too blind to see.
    When our sight is small and dark,
    Whisper what could be,
    Whisper what could be.

    In our anxious moments, Lord,
    Faith so far away,
    Silently You show Yourself,
    Calling us to pray,
    Calling us to pray.

    I am so unsteady, Lord –
    Wish it wasn’t so.
    I just long to walk in You
    Everywhere I go.

    We are all unsteady, Lord,
    Feeling far away,
    But we turn, and there You are,
    Calling us to pray.

    You are life and freedom, Lord,
    Joy and sweet release,
    Always here in power and love,
    Calling us to peace,
    Calling us to peace.

  13. poohpity says:

    Steve from what I read it was said the implied author was Solomon even though it was translated in Greek years after he lived. But I am interested in where you got that it was not?!? It really does not make a difference just curious. Real Godly wisdom only comes from one place and Solomon was the only one I read that asked God to give him wisdom to rule God’s people but to me the main point is it is something to pursue. Obviously we read that even though Solomon was given wisdom did not mean he followed it, lol, but it seems he gained more wisdom by experience of not following it.

  14. bubbles says:

    Steve, thank you. The furnace came on this morning! Whew. It has been doing this for some time now. I don’t know. Thank you, though.

    The verses on wisdom. .. .oh my. They are convicting. I pray and ask God to help me. I ask to be a glove on His had; to be used by Him. I get so frustrated. Am I asking for the wrong thing when I pray? I pray for help and want to change. I see godly people, and you can feel the peace of God about them, hear kindness in their words that comes from their heart, and it makes me feel like I am so bad and dirty. I truly want to be wise. I hate who I am.

  15. poohpity says:

    1 Kings 11:41 There seems to be more of Solomon’s wisdom but it was not contained in the bible. Just like John said not all of what Jesus said and did in recorded. John 21:25

  16. Beloved says:

    Bubbles I’m so happy to hear that! I asked God to turn it on before you had to go to work in the morning. Thank you Father.

  17. bubbles says:

    Thank all of you who prayed. Last year it did the same thing. Thank you!!

    Same with the lawn mower. I pray before the string is pulled, and it will start. When I forget, it won’t. Little lesson from God to pray for small things.Thank all of you again.
    Apologies for going off topic.

  18. Beloved says:

    I think God uses the “little things” to remind us how special we are to Him. He has had to remind me to come to Him for things I thought He wouldn’t care about. He does surprise me.

  19. Beloved says:

    It is very encouraging to my faith when I hear of God helping others. Thank you bubbles for encouraging me through your dependence on Him.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    It’s good to hear you are doing better, Bubbles.
    I pray for peace in your heart, for whatever the circumstances.
    I pray that you may grow in trust in Jesus, that even though on the material plane things seems to grow wrong, your confidence in Him grows.
    It is not only a prayer for you, I need the same prayer!

    James 1:2-8
    ..
    Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

    Before James talks about wisdom he talks about having pure joy when trials of all sorts that come to us.
    That’s a point I fall short in.
    Put it more positively: it’s a point where I can grow in.

    Why would he come from there, rejoicing in setbacks of all sorts, to the point of wisdom?

  21. Mart DeHaan says:

    Jeff1, the lyrics of the song you gave us are so good! Thank you.

  22. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, about Eccl 7:28,
    Years ago, while I was still a student, I lived in a student house, with a girlfriend from my church. One evening she was sitting in her room reading her Bible and I joined her, we came to Eccl 7:28 …one woman I have not found…
    And then she started to laugh, a real good laugh,, heart-refreshing:
    Look who is writing this

  23. Mart DeHaan says:

    Jeff1, Is there a title or music source where we can find or hear it sung?

  24. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, thank you so much for the little story, as when I first discovered the verse I too laughed a hearty laugh. And still do.

    The seeming eternal battle between the sexes has no claim to culture, country or time.

    Solomon’s wisdom of course comes from God, not Solomon. Though he is credited as being wise he made a lot of mistakes himself, a lot of unwise decisions.

    Thank you again for the smile this morning, I always welcome smiling.

    I hope all is well for you and yours there in the Netherlands. As I said yesterday we are in a very normal October weather, though they are calling for colder temperatures this week. Even that isn’t unusual as normally we see snow the first week or two into October.

    I also seen another all black wooly worm yesterday and we know they can predict the weather better than all the sophisticated science we have today.

    Blessings to you and your loved ones.

    Steve

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh in answer to your question to me about where I got my information concerning who wrote the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Sirach.

    They are given in the introduction of each book in my copy of “The New American Bible for Catholics”.

    It is a good source of information as it is a study Bible.

    I have to tell a funny story now if I may to any who care to read it.

    A few weeks ago I received a letter addressed to Tim Collins, Mayor of Bayard, WV.

    The letter written from a man in Southern California who was planning on visiting Bayard the first week of October and wanted to meet with me and discuss some old friends he knew from here.

    He provided his mailing address and cell phone number.

    So I wrote him back and provided him with my correct name and contact information along with a business card with email and city contact information as well. Then after giving it enough time to get to California I followed up with a phone call to him in order to introduce myself properly and make him feel more comfortable coming for a visit.

    In talking to him I ask him where in the world he got the name “Tim Collins” from as being Mayor. As there has never been a Mayor here by that name in our history of being incorporated since 1893.

    He said he got it from “Wikipedia” though when he looked again the name had changed.

    We enjoyed a good laugh about that together.

    I told this little story to help explain we should not always take the information we get from the internet as “gospel” as sometimes it is just wrong.

    Steve

  26. jeff1 says:

    Mart, it appears we cannot hear it sung but I can tell you of the hymn site that I got it on.

    I type in Hymns on topics and then click on:

    Hymns on topics-LNWHymns.com

    You will then get a list of categorized hymns and I choose the topic – Peace in Christ and from the list I choose Calling Us – but it is the one that is not recorded so unfortunately I could not hear it played but the words I also found so good.

    Most of the hymns you can hear played though I am more inclined to meditate on the words but I hope you enjoy listening to other beautiful hymns on it.

    God’s peace be with you today and always.

  27. foreverblessed says:

    Good Steve, sometimes a bit of humor solves a lot.
    Thanks for the blessings.
    The autumn has started here, rain rain rain.
    Up to late September it was way too hot and too dry.
    For three years it has been to dry, and to warm.
    So I ought to be happy with rain.
    But the grey cloud all day is hard.

    That song indeed is good.
    It shows a humble heart.
    And Mart said: wisdom is first and foremost:

    But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

    Oops.
    Am I humble, teachable, submissive, full of mercy, peacemaker
    Sincere I am, but full of mercy? I could grow in that.

    James says, if you lack anye ask for it!
    Whether it be wisdom or mercy.

    And the way to receive it us through hardship, through setbacks.

  28. foreverblessed says:

    On a side-note
    When I read the commentaries on Eccl 7:28
    This verse is foremost a lament of Solomon, that he did not find a woman, among men only one in a thousand.
    This verse is a statement that polygamy does not work. It is an impossible be state to be in as s woman to be a souls companion to get husband when she has do many compatetors, other women who compete for the love of her husband.
    And indeed Solomon did not find such a woman.

    The verse does not say anything about the state of women in general.

    But do not put her in a polygamous state.

    Solomon writes it from the point of view from a man, who has many wives: I did not find a souls companion, a soul mate.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    O dear, What a mistyping:
    Commentary on Eccl 7:28

    It is an impossible state for a woman to be in, to be a true soul mate, when she has so many other women around her to compete with the love and intimacy of her husband.
    In that state she cannot be such a companion to her husband.

    And that is what Solomon found out.

  30. Beloved says:

    Today when I look at Marts picture (we’ve seen it before), for the first time I see a kitten instead of what I assumed was his left leg curled inward. Peace, comes to mind. How small and weak we are yet how safe and protected and cared for by Him. Thank you Jesus for making this possible!

  31. Beloved says:

    There’s a reality show about polygamist relationships and it’s obvious why God condemns it. No peace.

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed you do an excellent job, even in translation typo’s your wisdom comes through loud and clear.

    Just as does your love and compassion.

    There is an overused saying here in the USA that goes like this, “Happy wife, happy life”.

    It is used to provide a little wisdom to others as to how and avoid marital disagreements.

    The fact is that wisdom in the Bible is referred as being feminine, explained as its being a she, or her.

    When I think about it like the Song of Solomon gives rise to when a man looks for a wife, or as you put it his soul mate, he looks with a deep abiding desire.

    The Biblical account of wisdom is given in that same way that a man should look for a wife, for a soul mate. Therefore wisdom is looked at as being feminine.

    So as the Books of Proverb’s and Ecclesiastes provide advice for life, a happy life, so it is the same for a man to find his soul mate, the proper helper. Found both in his God ordained wife and in God provided wisdom.

    Steve

  33. SFDBWV says:

    “It is not because men’s desires are strong that they act ill; it is because their consciences are weak.”

    JOHN STUART MILL

    I thought some of you might like to see what some of mankind’s wisdom looks like.

    Steve

  34. Beloved says:

    This may be a better moment than most to remind ourselves what the wisdom that comes from above looks like.

    John 3 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever [d]believes will in Him have eternal life.

    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [e]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the [f]only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

  35. jeff1 says:

    .Would that I were more closely bound
    To my Beloved, who ever lives;
    Would that my soul were always found
    Abiding in the peace He gives;
    Would, that I might more clearly see
    His love an heritage for me
    More surely know, more meekly own,
    His bounteous grace my strength alone!

    And much I wish but I will pray
    For wisdom that the lowly find, —
    And, O my Savior, every day,
    More of Thy meek and quiet mind.
    The comfort of a mind at rest
    From every care Thou hast not blest,
    A heart from all the world set free,
    To worship and to wait on Thee.

    Ah! my Beloved who wilt not die,
    Whose spirit does not change with mine,
    Put doubts of my affection by,
    And make me free to sing of Thine.
    The more Thy goodness I confess,
    I shall not surely love Thee less;
    The more myself alone I see,
    The farther off I feel from Thee.

    Thou art my life’s restoring rest,
    In Thee for safety let me hide, —
    And win me for Thy grateful guest
    By love that will not be denied.
    Try me with Thy refining fire,
    Array me in Thy white attire,
    Be Wisdom, Righteousness to me,
    The River of my pleasures be,
    And fill my life with love of Thee.

  36. Beloved says:

    Love this Viv

  37. Mart DeHaan says:

    Me too, and thank you Jeff1 for explaining your source. I will check it out. Am enjoying so much what you all are bringing to the table :-)…

  38. jeff1 says:

    Thinking it might be helpful to give information on authors of hymns I choose for those who like them.

    Author: John Newton
    John Newton (b. London, England, 1725; d. London, 1807) was born into a Christian home, but his godly mother died when he was seven, and he joined his father at sea when he was eleven. His licentious and tumul­tuous sailing life included a flogging for attempted desertion from the Royal Navy and captivity by a slave trader in West Africa. After his escape he himself became the captain of a slave ship. Several factors contributed to Newton’s conversion: a near-drowning in 1748, the piety of his friend Mary Catlett, (whom he married in 1750), and his reading of Thomas à Kempis’ Imitation of Christ. In 1754 he gave up the slave trade and, in association with William Wilberforce, eventually became an ardent abolitionist. After becoming a tide… Go to person page >

    1 If Solomon for wisdom prayed,
    The Lord before had made him wise;
    Else he another choice had made,
    And asked for what the worldlings prize.

    2 Thus He invites his people still,
    He first instructs them how to choose;
    Then bids them ask whate’er they will,
    Assured that He will not refuse.

    3 Our wishes would our ruin prove,
    Could we our wretched choice obtain;
    Before we feel the Savior’s love,
    Kindle our love to Him again.

    4 But when our hearts perceive His worth,
    Desires, till then unknown, take place;
    Our spirits cleave no more to earth,
    But pant for holiness and grace.

    5 And dost Thou say, “Ask what Thou wilt?”
    Lord, I would seize the golden hour;
    I pray to be released from guilt,
    And freed from sin and Satan’s power.

    6 More of Thy presence, Lord, impart,
    More of Thine image let me bear;
    Erect thy throne within my heart,
    And reign without a rival there.

    7 Give me to read my pardon sealed,
    And from Thy joy to draw my strength;
    To have Thy boundless love revealed
    In all its height, and breadth, and length.

    8 Grant these requests, I ask no more
    But to Thy care the rest resign;
    Sick or in health, or rich or poor,
    All shall be well if Thou art mine

  39. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it wisdom to hear the requests to God of a person who has experienced His salvation like Newton did? They sure are different than those who do not fully understand what was done for them at the Cross who questions God’s motives, actions and character.

  40. poohpity says:

    Prayers going out for our President and the first lady who have gotten CoVid-19.

  41. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, ” My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.””

  42. foreverblessed says:

    O dear, prayers goes out to Trump and Melania,
    But I have hope that they only tested positive, nothing is said if they have symptoms.
    A niece of ours was tested positive, but did not have sypmtoms, none at all. She stayed in quarantine all the same, but did not develop any sort of illness, not even a sore throught or a dry cough. Nothing.

    Boris Johnson was tested positive, and he remained working, but he ended in hospital because of breathing problems.
    That was quite a risk, But it turned out all well.
    It made him softer, and he talked differently after that. Was very thankful for the health staff.
    So O pray this will all wotk out for the better.

  43. foreverblessed says:

    Oops it was already posted while I was still correcting, my last sentence should be:
    So I pray this will all work out for the better.

  44. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff the song of last night was beuatiful,
    and also this morning:
    “Before we feel the Savior’s love,
    Kindle our love to Him again.”

  45. foreverblessed says:

    About Boris Johnson, he now is busy with a diet, he wants to lose weight. He was telling that it was hazardous, not being able to breathe. And he was so thankful that the hospital staff helped him. He did not go to a private hospital, but to an NHS hospital. That was also a good thing he did.
    It gave him a feeling that the NHS should be backed up more than the government had done.

  46. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    October 2, 2020 at 7:02 am

    Isn’t it wisdom to hear the requests to God of a person who has experienced His salvation like Newton did? They sure are different than those who do not fully understand what was done for them at the Cross who questions God’s motives, actions and character.

    I was seeking wisdom which led me to Newton’s hymn.

    It’s Newton’s experience of salvation which he shares to enlighten others and today it enlightened me and so on and so forth.

    It reassures me of my salvation and I needed to hear that today not because I am questioning God’s motives, actions or character but because I needed to feel close to Him and this hymn served that purpose today.

  47. poohpity says:

    Viv, I never insinuated or thought of you when I said anything about questioning God as to why things happen. Yes what happened to Newton and his change in life has encouraged those of us who have also had that change happen in their/our lives.

  48. jeff1 says:

    While I didn’t think you were I see in Newton’s hymn a deeper understanding of God than I possess.

    Newton knows what he needs from God and what God requires of him and he asks no more than that and that shows his confidence in God as the verse implies.

    8 Grant these requests, I ask no more
    But to Thy care the rest resign;
    Sick or in health, or rich or poor,
    All shall be well if Thou art mine

  49. Beloved says:

    I apologize this is COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC

    I’m absolutely sick to my stomach after reading an article in Christianity Today about Ravi Zacharias. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Having trust issues with the body of Christ already because of multiple abuses by pastors and counselors this drains me. I just talked to Jesus about this last night and prayed He would release me from my fears. How does one actively participate with these things happening…… I know God has a plan and I trust Him. His people- not so much. Perhaps this is why Jesus over and over again said to forsake all to follow Him. Ravi was a shining star in my repertoire of Godly teachers I admired. God is faithful, He is teaching me something new or maybe something old I just haven’t gotten yet. Maybe this is the answer I was seeking last night. God is good- always. Man is not- usually.

    SORRY, I just needed to share

    Actually this upsets me more than COVID in the Oval Office.

  50. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, the abuse here was against children but it was priests who were involved and I find it sickening that these acts were covered up for years and years because the higher arcy were protecting their church.

    Like yourself I trust God but these days people have to earn my trust as I have learned that people are not always what they claim to be.

    The few good men that I have known are ordinary working class who work hard to take care of their families and support their church and communities in a mild and helpful manner and their the ones that I trust today.

  51. Beloved says:

    Viv
    Last night when I asked God to remove my fears of fellowship He listened so carefully and kindly as usual. Then He led me to Isaiah to be reminded I won’t be a victim forever. I thought about all the times judgement came on Israel yet God in His mercy forgave and saved the remnant that remains to this very day.

    21 Therefore please hear this, you afflicted, And drunk but not with wine. 22 Thus says your Lord, The Lord and your God, Who pleads the cause of His people: “See, I have taken out of your hand The cup of trembling, The dregs of the cup of My fury; You shall no longer drink it. 23 But I will put it into the hand of those who afflict you, Who have said to you, ‘Lie down, that we may walk over you.’ And you have laid your body like the ground, And as the street, for those
    who walk over.” Isaiah 51:21-23

    I remembered we are to walk humbly do justly and love mercy as Micah said. Just as God does these things. The pain of disappointment is terrible, isn’t it? So much going on almost every day at home and in the world. All we are to do is pray and reveal Christ to those we meet. It’s actually getting easier I think. I’m rambling. Sad still about Ravi but the gospel gives me peace his soul was saved to God.
    With our president in hospital things are more precarious now. Praying an end to this bazaar year will bring peace in our country for a bit anyway. Gods peace and shouts of Hallelujah throughout our land and the world.
    May God bless us all. Blessed Jesus!

  52. foreverblessed says:

    Blessed Jesus.
    That was bad news Beloved! I read it on CT.
    I know about the titles he used, that were not true. Exaggerated.
    As you say, his soul is safe with Jesus.
    We need to keep prayin for the soul of the president.

    What you wrote about your country, I had to think about the sadness Paul had about his countrymen, being so against the Gospel.
    But then he gives a few verses that are very hopeful for everyone.
    All

    Roman 11:28-32
    28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

  53. foreverblessed says:

    Years ago Mart had a topic on this verse:

    For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

    He did write something about this like: could it be that the outcome for all may be very positive?

    Anyway, it is Jesus Who sits at the right hand of God, He is in charge.
    But we ought not to say something about the judgement, that we know not all about.

    If….if this verse is meant literal: mercy on all
    Then it is the truth.
    In whatever way God will bring that about.

    Of-topic:
    (I was thinking about, maybe after ages and shed in hell, (Greek is aeon and aeon, which some have interpreted as with no end, but the Greek word may not mean: no end.
    It could very well mean: after aeons and aeons.
    That reminds me of the verse in Isaiah:
    To the increase of His Government there will be no end.

    In aeons and aeons we may be busy comforting souls who have come to their senses.
    O dear, this is so of-topic. But couldn’t help, that in the present unrest in the world, God does not want to destroy, whatever measures He takes: He want people to come to their senses,
    To restore

    The following I wanted to share with Beloved, it was still in my clipboard, from Utmost today.
    (It is something I myself have to concentrate on, putting my thoughts back on Jesus)

    Utmost October 3

    His disciples asked Him privately, ‘Why could we not cast it out?’ ” (Mark 9:28). The answer lies in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. “This kind can come out by nothing but” concentrating on Him, and then doubling and redoubling that concentration on Him. “

  54. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus
    “concentrating on Him, and then doubling and redoubling that concentration on Him. “

  55. jeff1 says:

    Speaking for myself who lived through 30 years of troubles here which seen many bombs, intimidation, shootings, torture I find that it is easier for my sons who did not live through it to be objective about here.

    They are quicker to see the bigger picture wheras I am clouded by what I have seen and heard.

    I see the victims, meet them in the streets and these days it is not about justice or revenge for me but I am overwhelmingly sad that so many have lost lives, limbs, suffer mental illness and the likes because a so called christian country failed to behave like one.

    God is good all the time but men not so and if you have seen the uglier side of them then it is more difficult to visualize a better one.

    My dad always knew God better than I did and he gave me good advice back in the bad old days and it was he who also told me that when I found suffering hard either my own or another’s to focus on Christ’s suffering and put my trust in Him.

    God rest you dad, a Godly man if ever I knew one.

    Beloved, to walk humbly seems to be more difficult for some than others and I am simply observing rather than passing judgement as I have done my share of being judgemental.

    What I am saying is that my dad did it better than I did and many more that I know.

    Forever, I find the verse from Romans comforting today as I so often feel out of my depth in a world like this.

    This song comes to mind:

    Farther Along

    Tempted and tried we’re oft made to wonder
    Why it should be thus all the day long
    While there are others living about us
    Never molested though in the wrong

    [Chorus]
    Farther along we’ll know all about it
    Farther along we’ll understand why
    Cheer up my brother live in the sunshine
    We’ll understand it all by and by

    When death has come and taken our loved ones
    It leaves our home so lonely and drear
    And then do we wonder why others prosper
    Living so wicked year after year

    [Chorus]

    When we see Jesus coming in glory
    When he comes down from his home in the sky
    Then we shall meet him in that bright mansion
    We’ll understand it all by and by

    [Chorus]

    Yeah we’ll understand it all by and by

  56. Beloved says:

    In Moments Like This as Mart says it’s so good to encourage one another in the LORD. I appreciate your comments this morning. I see my COVID test results are back- will check them now.

  57. Beloved says:

    NEGATIVE. but still using precautions as recommended. (Lol it’s easier for an introvert to social distance)

  58. Beloved says:

    Romans11 you quoted Forever brought to mind:
    1 Corinthians 5:5 NIV
    5 hand this man over(A) to Satan(B) for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.(C)

    1 Corinthians 5:5 In contexts like this, the Greek word for flesh (sarx) refers to the sinful state of human beings, often presented as a power in opposition to the Spirit.
    1 Corinthians 5:5 Or of his body

    Viv I agree it’s harder to forgive and forget than to forgive not experiencing what others have gone through.

  59. poohpity says:

    As Jesus hung from the Cross he did not tell those who did that to him, I forgive you but instead said, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. He called to the Father to forgive them as we should then ask God to help us go through the process of forgiveness and at times it does take time but with some self reflection on all the things we ourselves have been forgiven for it makes it easier. Well unless we BLAME everyone else or everything for the reason our hearts are so bitter, hard and callous.

  60. SFDBWV says:

    I thought this morning’s new “Bible Project was good. We, our example and our information are to be demonstrated, espoused and shared with the world at large.

    Proverbs 23:9 KJV tells us not to speak to a fool because he will despise the wisdom of our words.

    A fool is described in Psalms 14:1 KJV as someone who don’t believe in God, an Infidel.

    Yet these are the very people we as Christians are to herald the good news of Salvation, the very people we are to show Christ in our behavior, pray for and yes, forgive.

    Would God ask us to do something He Himself would not do?

    Steve

  61. Beloved says:

    Forgive us our trespasses
    As we forgive those who trespass against us

  62. poohpity says:

    forever, what did you mean when you said, “We need to keep prayin for the soul of the president.” and then went on to say, “What you wrote about your country, I had to think about the sadness Paul had about his countrymen, being so against the Gospel.”????

  63. Beloved says:

    And though “debts” is the more accurate translation of Matthew 6:12, God does want us to keep “trespasses” in our minds when praying, especially we twenty-first-century Westerners.

    Our modern understanding of “debt” might dull the edge this word had for Jesus’s original hearers. We hear it through the filters of our experience, which is different from Jesus’s audience and most of our human ancestors. Debtors’ prisons are an archaic thing of the unenlightened past, and we don’t have kings throwing us into them (Matthew 18:23–35). We have merciful bankruptcy laws that protect us in ways inconceivable to past generations. So “debt” might not carry for us the sense of threat it did for them.

    But trespassing hits us differently, especially when someone commits it against us. A trespasser occupies a realm or exercises a right that rightfully belongs to someone else. A trespasser violates another person. This can be very damaging. In fact, it can rise to the level of treason, and result in a sentence of capital punishment.

    This is what happened in the garden of Eden and what we have all done since. We have not merely borrowed from God an unpayable debt for which we appeal for bankruptcy protection. We have seized a realm and exercised a right that belongs to him. We have violated God. We have committed a treasonous trespass, and we owe the debt of treason: death (Romans 6:23).

    And what Jesus has done, for those of us who trust him, is pay that terrible debt completely. And what he’s requiring of us is to forgive others who have occupied a realm and exercised a right that belongs to us, who have violated us — since we have been forgiven a far worse violation.
    Desiring God. org

  64. foreverblessed says:

    Be a listener
    Learn to forgive

    Just heard this this morning, sermon on tv.

    God is all knowing, He understands why we think as we think, why we feel as we feel. And He knows, the Spirit knows where we are bound, were we need to be freed.

    And we do not know the depth not even of our own soul. But we hear what comes out of the mouth, or read the words people put on the internet. So we can pray intercessory prayer, leaving it with God.

    So Pooh, if you do not mind, I do not want to discuss with you, these things what you ask about.
    I will discuss the meaning of the Cross of Christ with you, in all its many ways, in my own testimony. And I love to hear how good Jesus has been to you. But anything else I let go.
    For the sake of peace.
    Peace be with you.

    Turn to Jesus, the Shepherd of our soul.

  65. jeff1 says:

    I think of the wisdom of my dad who would not get into the religious or political arguments that went on during the troubles here and when my mum would try to draw him into it he would very wittingly draw her or anyone else away from it.

    The way that religiously and politically divided people live in harmony here is to not talk about it.

    That may seem strange to outsiders but if there is one thing that will lead people to war it is what they are passionate about and there is nothing that stirs peoples emotions here like patriotism and religion.

    For the sake of peace my dad stayed clear of voicing his opinion on either but I had a special relationship with my dad because my mum not having been indoctrinated into a religion due to her illegitimacy would send me to church with him or for that matter on any outings that she did not wish to go on.

    He was a unionist i.e. he wanted the Province of Northern Ireland to remain part of the United Kingdom but he did not agree with the leadership that was alienating the nationalist community from power sharing in Northern Ireland.

    He was strenuously opposed to the gerrymandering that went on here but I see now that he was fighting a loosing battle in that it is common practise in the murky world of politics.

    The more I see of this world the more I realize there are people who are just to nice for it.

    “Oh, Gentle Shepherd”

    My soul is lost, so lonely and so cold
    Just like a lamb that has strayed from the fold
    Across the barren waste of sin I roam
    Oh, gentle shepherd hear my cry and lead me home.

    The hours go by on frightened wings of flight
    While wolves of hell are waiting for the night
    To claim the soul that wandered from the fold
    Oh, gentle shepherd hear my cry and save my soul.

    Oh, gentle shepherd hear my lonely cry
    And in Thy cool green pastures let me lie
    Beside the still clear waters lead Thou me
    Oh, gentle shepherd safe forevermore with Thee…

  66. SFDBWV says:

    Paul encouraged believers to not marry so that they could devote themselves to the service of Christ.

    This of course, as even he said, is not for everyone.

    The rest of us who married had families, engaged in full time employment then, as Paul also said, had other things to occupy our moment to moment daily thoughts and concentration aside from our belief and “devotion” to Jesus.

    We found ourselves “devoted” to the daily grind of living complete with the responsibilities of caring for those in our care. Aware all the time of our responsibility to Jesus as being a believer and follower.

    Do the two divide us, as Paul thought might” or do they make us complete in understanding how demanding love really is?

    Solomon thought that even wisdom was vanity. In truth what good is wisdom if we don’t know how to appreciate it and share it in our actions among others?

    James “learned” the advice he offered by recognizing his failures and being open to learning from them.

    I wonder sometimes who, except Jesus, was born with the blessing to never make a mistake and automatically follow wisdom in every encounter of life?

    The school of hard knocks can either teach us to listen to wisdom and learn, or just make us harder and more stubborn.

    Which one defines your experience in life?

    35 degrees f and cloudy.

    Steve

  67. jeff1 says:

    The school of hard knocks is what drives me to the arms of Christ unless I think I am doing ok without Him.

    Wisdom is vastly overrated from my experiences of life.

    I value much more the peace from God that surpasses understanding.

    Peace in the Valley

    Oh well, I’m tired and so weary
    But I must go alone
    Till the Lord comes and calls
    Calls me away, oh yes
    Well the morning’s so bright
    And the lamp is alight
    And the night, night is as black
    As the sea, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

    Well the bear will be gentle
    And the wolves will be tame
    And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh yes
    And the beasts from the wild
    Shall be lit by a child
    And I’ll be changed
    Changed from this creature that I am, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

  68. poohpity says:

    It seems that God in His infinite wisdom did not leave mankind with the ability to know a person’s heart as to who is saved and who is not but God did teach us several times and in several ways to be able to identify those of the religious community who’s piety or self righteousness is apparent by looking down on others and thinking they themselves are more righteous than others so have the right to condemn such persons.

    Jesus said in one place in Luke, “I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.” A person who has the nerve to evaluate the salvation of another is a person who is self righteous according to Jesus in Luke 18:9-14. If someone thinks they are righteous enough to judge the salvation of another or their worthiness must not have the wisdom of Christ within or else they would realize that ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God and therefore have no room to talk about anyone else.

  69. jeff1 says:

    Romans 11:33-36 33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34″Who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has been his counselor?” 35″Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen

    Lord, may our thoughts begin with You.
    You are the joy we seek.
    You are the love we long to live,
    You, any truth we speak.

    Lord, may our thoughts be born of faith
    Nourished by simple prayer,
    Strong in Your wise and sovereign power,
    Sure in Your tender care.

    May all we think and do be love.
    Love be our one desire.
    Love be the glow of all we are,
    Bright with Your holy fire.

    Come fill our hearts, our minds, our lives,
    Fountain of joy and light,
    River of deep and perfect peace,
    Ocean of endless life

  70. Beloved says:

    Because the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters, am guessing that none of us will have all the right stuff by the time we process it through our own biases and inclinations.

    You’ve got that right Mart. Easy to see filters and biases. Surely reading and rereading scriptural wisdom the Light eventually breaks through the barriers. Right now I’m thinking that having ‘patience’ is wise. James talks about letting patience do it’s perfecting work. Sometimes it helps to take a deep breath and slowly breath out. Like breathing in the Spirit and giving it time and space to teach us what God knows.

    Blessings to all in Christ Jesus

  71. jeff1 says:

    Into Your hands, Almighty God,
    I lay life and all I am.
    Crucified here, I give myself
    To live and die with Christ the Lamb.
    Lord of all love, so high, so true,
    Father, You hide my life in You.

    Sickness, injustice, grief, and pain,
    Loss that my heart can’t understand –
    You are my God, my good, my all.
    All of my times are in Your hand.
    Lord of all love, so high, so true,
    Father, You hide my life in You.

    Blessed and secure, we sing Your praise,
    Joyful in You, so good, so great!
    Seasons and struggles come and go;
    Strong in Your strength, we trust and wait.
    Lord of all love, so high, so true,
    Father, You hide my life in You.

  72. Beloved says:

    Let patience have her perfect work; in ourselves as well as others. The Body of Christ is so diverse yet the tendency, I think, is to see the Body according to our culture.

    I finally bought Misreading Scripture With Western Eyes, the book Mart brought up a while back. Trying to stretch my own barriers and biases in my old age -;).

  73. foreverblessed says:

    “Lord, may our thoughts begin with You.
    You are the joy we seek.
    You are the love we long to live,
    You, any truth we speak.”

    Good to begin the day with Jesus!
    ( And Jeff, isn’t that a wonderful bible verse? Romans 11:33-36
    We may stand in awe at Him, before Him, and just Praise His Holy Name)

    I was looking at the patience verse:
    Let patience have its perfect work

    But, o dear, that is James 1:2 the verse I had right under my nose.
    Perseverance must finish it’s work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

    Thank you all for the encouragement, exorting each other, to stay close to Jesus.

  74. foreverblessed says:

    Romans 8:12-17
    12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

    14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba,[b] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

  75. poohpity says:

    Yes forever the closer we get to Christ the further away from judging others so we can focus on serving them (Matt 25:31-46) instead. As James taught “faith without good works is dead” it is just talk without the actions.

  76. jeff1 says:

    1. Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
    Let me hide myself in thee;
    Let the water and the blood,
    From thy wounded side which flowed,
    Be of sin the double cure,
    Save from wrath and make me pure.

    2. Not the labors of my hands
    Can fill all thy law’s demands;
    Could my zeal no respite know,
    Could my tears forever flow,
    All for sin could not atone;
    Thou must save, and thou alone.

    3. While I draw this fleeting breath,
    When mine eyes shall close in death,
    When I rise to worlds unknown
    And behold thee on thy throne,
    Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
    Let me hide myself in thee.

  77. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    October 4, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    Let patience have her perfect work; in ourselves as well as others. The Body of Christ is so diverse yet the tendency, I think, is to see the Body according to our culture.

    I think the tendency is to see God according to our culture and use Christ as a scapegoat.

    Oh, we are very good at blame when it comes to who crucified Christ i.e. the Romans, Jews and whoever stood in the crowd and watched but everyday we crucify Him over and over through ignorance, blame and our own deliberate fault.

    If you could see
    What I once was
    If you could go with me
    Back to where I started from
    Then, I know you would see
    A miracle of Love that put me
    In it’s sweet embrace
    And made me what I am today
    Just an old sinner
    Saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I live and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    Loved and forgivin
    Back with the living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    How could I boast on anything
    I’ve ever seen or done
    How could I dare to claim as mine
    The victories God has won
    Where would I be
    Had God not brought me
    Gently to this place
    I’m here to say I’m nothing but
    A sinner saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgivin
    Back with the living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    with each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgivin
    back with the living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    Saved by grace

  78. Beloved says:

    Scapegoat | Definition of Scapegoat at Dictionary.com
    noun. a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place. Chiefly Biblical. a goat let loose in the wilderness on Yom Kippur after the high priest symbolically laid the sins of the people on its head.

    The sins of all mankind were laid on Jesus at the cross. That’s such good news! But as James says, be doers of the word and not hearers only. If we read without applying it to our lives and doing what it says we don’t really KNOW God intimately. To be scholarly doesn’t make one a child of God. Not that it’s bad but even poor readers can miss the point of scripture which is to know God. Blessed Jesus our LORD and savior and king!

  79. Beloved says:

    My scripture memory is in the King James, my first study bible.

    ◄ James 1:4 ►
    Parallel Verses
    King James Version
    But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    Darby Bible Translation
    But let endurance have its perfect work, that ye may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

  80. bubbles says:

    Sometimes, I perceive, people misconstrue what Paul said about single people. People will say single people have all this extra time to serve God and work in the church. Now, if the yard needs mowed, who does it? If the cupboard is bare, who goes to the store? If a driveway needs sealed, who does it? If the car needs fuel or taken to the garage, who does it? If you are sick and you need something from the pharmacy, who gets it? If the garbage needs taken out, who does it? This is in addition to a regular job. So single people have to do it all without a helper. Also, I have seen those who have a spouse and still need to do it all alone for various reasons. Sometimes if there is a spouse and/or children, they can work together to accomplish things so there is time for extra. So I am not sure about the myth of “extra time” for single people. I’m not complaining; it is what it is, and one either gets it done or it doesn’t happen. :) Maybe single people’s minds are more fixed on the Lord because they don’t have to think about a spouse and helping them. I’m not wanting to be difficult, this has been posted with respect.

  81. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Bubbles, I really enjoyed that you brought this up.
    This is off topic.
    Running a household, a house and a garden, a shed, even when you are on your own, is a lot of work.
    It was wonderful doing it together, my husband and I raising two boys.
    All though, my husband worked, and so the lot at home was my part. Except the heavy bits. But work in the garden hd does not do. At that time it was still possible to buy a house on one salary. It looks old fashioned, the man working and the woman being a housekeeper. But it is in a way more relaxed.
    ..
    Nowadays, I see the stress young families are in, both working, having kids, the sleepless nights with young children, the stress in the morning, all the chores, all the activities.

    I was a “housewife” because of the vast joblessness at the time, the eighties. I couldn’t find a job, I had many many interviews, often the question was: do you have a boyfriend, do you want children?
    They would rather have a man, (he does not bear children, and does not breastfeed them )
    That was 35 years ago.
    Times have changed.
    At that time the Bible verse from Paul was a great guideline for me:
    ” I want women to be keepers at home”
    So in a way, being jobless, made me a keeper at home.
    And I could stay at home with our kids. I would have felt great guilt bringing them to nursing school at a young age, and going to work somewhere else myself.
    But I did get a teaching job, just one afternoon in the week, and my father and mother-in-law would come and look after the children. It was natural sciences. A lot of work to prepare, but very good to do something outside of the home.

    My husband changed jobs every & years, and so we moved around the country. Till 23 years ago we ended in the south of the Netherlands, and I found out there was an Art Academy in a town in Belgium, that I could attend, two evenings a week. On a Monday night and on a Thursday night. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. Being a housekeeper during the rest of the week.

    I do think our societies are way too stressed. It was never meant that we all have to work outside the home, so many hours and be wiped out at the end of the day

    But to go back to Paul: being single meant that he was free to move around and living where ever the Holy Spirit send him.
    Going through all the ordeals of preaching the Gospel,
    2 Cor 11:1-33

    (All though Paul writes that Peter had a wife traveling with him. So that is possible too)

    Well thanks Bubbles, your writing made me share a bit of my own life.
    It is all off topic.
    I will add that at the top now.

  82. foreverblessed says:

    Every & years
    Lol
    Every 5 years.

    Now I want to share something:
    If you want to be a christian country…
    Sharing is a big thing Jesus talked about!

    It was in the news that our country does not have enough virus inhibitors, because the US has bought all the stock.
    “America first”

    I know that this “sharing” is also the EU has to do.
    But for this medicine we feel the direct consequences when one country is going for its own.
    The third world countries feel it, that the richer countries buy away all of the lands sources, for prices they themselves cannot afford.
    Fairness

    About sharing….
    It is a way that Jesus teaches us, as we walk along side Him.
    But I have often wondered about the widow with son, who had a last bit of flower and oil, and Elisha says:
    Give that to me.

    It looks a bit like Jesus’ teaching.
    Not only “share”,
    But give away the last bit you have
    In faith,
    Looking up to Jesus
    That He will supply all your needs.

    My Shepherd will supply my need

  83. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed. I just wanted to say after reading your comments this morning about the USA hoarding “virus inhibitors”. I guess you are talking about ventilators.

    No matter.

    There is a growing spirit in the world that’s purpose is to destroy the western culture of Juda-Christian civilization, without warfare.

    It uses fear as a means of dividing people as well as racism and yes nationality.

    It is a mob mentality that is driven by evil and it doesn’t take much wisdom to see through it.

    The United States spends more on foreign aid to third world countries then any other country in the word and spends more on and sends more Christian missionaries out into the world then any as well.

    The result we are hated in every country we have helped.

    In spite of then President Obama saying we are no longer a Christian nation, the Christian’s in this country continue to give and share all over the world.

    Even though we are hated for it.

    29 degrees f and a crystal clear starry sky.

    Steve

  84. foreverblessed says:

    Relying on Jesus that He will supply all our needs.
    Then reading:

    27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked.
    2 Cor 11:27

    Now thinking about Paul: was his own need being supplied for when you read about his circumstances? Wow, this is really hard.

    It is also He, Jesus, who says:
    “My grace is sufficient for you”.

    Can you imagine that, when you sleep outside, in the cold, having had no food, after you have preached the Gospel in some village, as Paul did on his journeys. ( Apparently he did not always have a christian home to stay in.)

    But look what Paul says in the next verse:
    “Therefore I will boast all the more in my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.
    That is why for Christ’s sake, I delight in weakness, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties.
    For when I am weak, then I am strong.”

    2 Cor 12:9-10

    Such a well-known verse, so hard to rejoice!

    Rectification: the US did not buy all the stock of remdesivir, but the bulk of it.

  85. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve, I see what you say!
    The thing is, we can do charity ad a country, ad no country on the world has s higher percentage of third world aid as our country does. ( If we go on boasting about out countries K will drop in my bit, just meant for fun. If the US would have the same percentage as we have, the aid would be a great amount bigger.)

    But….it would be better if we had fair prices,vandca fair trading practices. These countries would not need souch aid.

    That is about economics. We, the rich part of the world, have let the market reign. The ones with the biggest pockets of money rule.

    It reminds me of our country having had Indonesia. The missionaries did good work, but it was destroyed by the merchandise, the economics: giving poor salaries to the local people, taking away the riches of Indonesia for low prices. Using that country as a means to rob them.
    We were a christian country then, but what.we did economically was a sadness to Jesus.

    And economically the US did the same. That is what I am talking about.

    Besides this, the Marshall plan after WW2 was a very very good example for what a christian country can do.
    When Europe in 1988, when the Berlin wall fell, should have gone to Eastern Europe, have a big Marshall plan to give a good start to Eastern Europe. But we didn’t.

  86. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, sorry for not proofreading before I posted.

    We, the western world, hinge on two things:
    Jesus and Money

    We give charity by our churches
    But with our companies we oppress them economically.

    As an example I give the Netherlands, who in Indonesia did
    1) good work for the last call people, in giving education hospitals, charity, building christian communities

    2) but the companies would oppress the people, giving them very very low wages. Poor salaries. Keeping the people poor.

    And that was sadness to Jesus.

    And due to bad typing, ( or rather auto-correction that I did not check)
    The percentage that we give as a country to the third world, is the highest in the world. If the US would have the same percentage as our country, the aid would be much higher).

    But, as I explained, fairer economically regulations would do a much greater job. Being much more fair to the third world, which would be negative in first instance to the western world.

  87. foreverblessed says:

    And then I come to my original point:
    Would we, as a christian country, would even go as far as this:
    Give away that what we have, as did the widow with her bread to Elisha.
    Even to the point of being hungry ourselves, but for the sake of Christ.

    Wow, that is far far off the reality!

    God said He would purify the Levites.
    Thinking about the christian church being purified first.
    A spiritual house.
    Being willing to suffer, finding the joy in it, not because of the suffering, but because of the fruit of what it brings: saved souls.

    Not a country.
    Forget about a country.

    We are part of God’s Kingdom.

  88. foreverblessed says:

    Dear fellow bloggers, here I am again.
    I would like to add that the teaching of Jesus,
    Is not for the reasonable, the morally good people, or countries.
    But that teaching is for the Life of Christ in us.

    Unless we have His nature in us, His teachings brings us to despair.
    ( I am paraphrasing Utmost of today)

    So best thing is back to this:
    Keep my eyes on Jesus 😍

  89. poohpity says:

    Forever just a little FYI according to the CAF(Charities Aid Foundation)the statistics may surprise you. Out of the top 20 countries over the last 5 years who rank the highest in three categories of which are; helping a stranger, donating money and volunteering. USA ranks 2nd and the Netherlands ranks 11th.

    But it seems that God is only concerned with the heart and actions of each of His children in the categories of; loving a stranger or an enemy and how well we each do in giving of our time to serving the least of these. Are we so wrapped up in our own lives that no time is given to washing the feet(serving) of others?!?

  90. SFDBWV says:

    Its ok Foreverblessed, I for one won’t condemn you for having some national pride. I have some myself.

    Moving on to all.

    I would like to rectify that in my opinion there is a vast difference between what Paul was talking about as far as remaining unmarried so that you could devote fully your time and attention to serving Christ, and simply being single.

    It is from this teaching we have the culture of Priest’s and Nun’s and their unique service to the “Church”.

    Paul does not condemn people for making a living or surviving in the world they are in, or for being single and having a career. He does give some much defined discourse as to how married people are to relate to and behave concerning their spouses.

    Most of which married people have a tough time living up to.

    The sun is up now and it has warmed up to 35 degrees f. The hummingbirds left back the second week of September and the leaves are filled with color.

    Steve

  91. poohpity says:

    bubbles is there anything you find joy in?

  92. poohpity says:

    If one reads 1 Cor 7 Paul says the things he says about singleness and marriage as concessions from him not from the Lord. The one thing he said from the Lord was not to divorce but the rest were his opinions.

  93. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, I was speaking of percentage.
    US having 300 million people
    The Netherlands only 18 million.

    Think of it, the Netherlands having only 18 million people, being 11th.
    Would the US have the same percentage as we have, they would give huge amount more money.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, my “pride” about my country was just meant as a joke.
    Something like Paul was saying he was a fool in 2 Cor 11:1,16 “that I may do a little boasting”.

  95. poohpity says:

    forever when people do those kind of statistics they take into account the population as well as the GDP.

  96. Beloved says:

    Heaven and earth will all pass away but the word of the LORD endures forever. Set your mind on things above…and not on things below. This seems to be the epitome of wisdom. For me, anyway. I used to worry more about world, national, local and family events but thankfully one of the blessings of living to old age is that heaven is closer than ever! Thinking how “behind” us the “news” was even a second ago. Oops it’s gone! A second closer to seeing Jesus face to face! Hallelujah!

  97. jeff1 says:

    I am thank full that there are some advantages to growing old and find this quote of C. S. Lewis revealing.

    If you read history you will find that the Christians who did most for the present world were precisely those who thought most of the next. It is since Christians have largely ceased to think of the other world that they have become so ineffective in this.

  98. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed my apologies to you, I did not think my saying it was ok for you to have a little national pride would upset you. I am sorry, please understand it was an attempt to put you at ease. Instead my comment had the opposite effect.

    Forgive me for my offence.

    Steve

  99. Beloved says:

    2 Corinthians 4:17
    New International Version
    17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

  100. Beloved says:

    afflictions (troubles) often seem greater than “light and momentary“ don’t they? That’s why it’s so important to have the eye fixed on things above- Jesus!

  101. jeff1 says:

    I have heard it said and often think it true of me that I can be too heavenly minded to be any earthly good.

    I am glad Lewis rejects this line of thought as my heavenly mindedness comes from the belief that it is my eternal home when my earthly one has elapsed and yet sometimes I do see myself with wings sitting on a cloud like in the Philadelphia cheese advertisements but believe me God usually brings me down to earth with a bump, such is life. ☹

  102. Beloved says:

    Viv I think it’s our common enemy that wants us to blame God when things go wrong. We are on the earth but not OF it. We belong to a heavenly class when we believed Jesus. I think thats why Peter talks about suffering so much to remind us. He certainly knew what he was talking about.

    When I first became a Christian an older one said I was too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good. Being new in the faith I struggled with that for a while. Satan tried me but God prevailed!

  103. Beloved says:

    James 1;3 English Standard Version
    for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.

  104. poohpity says:

    Most of the heavenly minded people are of much earthly good in fact they walk the talk as in representing Jesus to a hurting world.

    Just like that old saying, “sticks and stones hurt your bones but words will never hurt you”; boy is that ever a lie actually words do more damage than any physical damage does.

  105. Beloved says:

    God bless you Viv I pray you have a restful sleep.

  106. street says:

    could Jesus say, “ sticks and stones may hurt Me, but My Word will never hurt you.” none of His bones will be broken. like a passover lamb.

  107. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, you said words do more damage than any physical damage.

    It seems Lewis is in agreement with you.

    The greatest evils in the world will not be carried out by men with guns, but by men in suits sitting behind desks.

    Thank you, Beloved.

  108. street says:

    false teachers and false prophets do more damage than guns and bombs. they destroy souls not bodies. their judgment well be swift and terrible .

  109. Beloved says:

    The LORD Is My Shepherd

    23 1 A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. 3 He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever.

  110. foreverblessed says:

    Oh no, Steve, all is well. I sensed the fun you intended, but thought it for others expedient to give an explanation. It might me a good thing for me to think about:
    do I need to defend myself, or just let go?
    Looking to Jesus is a better option. Jesus did not defend Himself very much, when He was misunderstood.
    He explained a lot about His teachings with all the parables.
    The Kingdom of God is like…..

    Good to meditate that on this moment Jesus is the Shepherd of our souls.

    Street, good to hear from you again, I have missed you for a while.

  111. jeff1 says:

    street says:
    October 6, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    false teachers and false prophets do more damage than guns and bombs. they destroy souls not bodies. their judgment well be swift and terrible .

    Thinking of having lived with bombs and bullets for thirty years and wouldn’t wish it on anyone that is difficult for me to see.

    Yet, I understand you have a gun culture in America that we do not have in the UK so you will understand what I am
    saying.

    I have such a meagre view of my country and the world and yet I make choices on that view yet God has enlightened me through my children in seeing that my judgements are not only clouded but way of His purpose.

    I rejoice in Your purpose today
    Though the end may feel so far away.
    I find peace in the love on Your face
    And rejoice in Your purpose today.

    I remember that You are the Lord,
    And I feast on each promise I’ve heard.
    What a strength when I stand on Your Word
    And remember that You are the Lord.

    Though confusion and struggle are all I can see
    And I wrestle alone with my pain,
    Lord, I know You are working this all for the best,
    And my suffering is never in vain.

    I rejoice in Your purpose today
    Though the end may feel so far away.
    I find peace in the love on Your face
    And rejoice in Your purpose today.

  112. jeff1 says:

    oreverblessed says:ctober 7, 2020 at 2:47 am

    Looking to Jesus is a better option. Jesus did not defend Himself very much, when He was misunderstood.

    Forever, here in the UK the Royal Family come under excessive media scrutiny and like most have skelton/s in their cupboards that they would not disclose be it not for an over zealous press.

    Myself and others have expressed how we notice the Royal’s deal with such disclosures and most often their response is not to try and defend themselves but rather offer no comment.

    I guess they see it that whether the allegations are true or not should make no difference to the public.

    They have history and imperfections and their enemies are all too eager to highlight them but the thing about the public is that you cannot be sure on how they react to such disclosures.

    Personally, I think it has drawn the British public more lovingly to their Queen as they see she faces the same tests and trials that all families do and to see her smiling today at 94 is an encouragement to us all in the UK that when under attack keep smiling through.

    “We’ll Meet Again”

    We’ll meet again,
    Don’t know where,
    Don’t know when
    But I know we’ll meet again some sunny day

    Keep smiling through,
    Just like you always do
    ‘Til the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away

    So will you please say “Hello”
    To the folks that I know?
    Tell them I won’t be long
    They’ll be happy to know
    That as you saw me go
    I was singing this song

    We’ll meet again,
    Don’t know where,
    Don’t know when
    But I know we’ll meet again some sunny day

    We’ll meet again,
    Don’t know where
    Don’t know when.
    But I know we’ll meet again some sunny day.

    Keep smiling through
    Just like you always do,
    ‘Til the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away

    So will you please say “Hello”
    To the folks that I know?
    Tell them I won’t be long.
    They’ll be happy to know
    That as you saw me go,
    I was singin’ this song.

    We’ll meet again,
    Don’t know where,
    Don’t know when
    But I know we’ll meet again some sunny day

  113. jeff1 says:

    1 Jesus, good above all other,
    gentle child of gentle mother,
    in a stable born our brother,
    give us grace to persevere.

    2 Jesus, cradled in a manger,
    for us facing every danger,
    living as a homeless stranger,
    make we thee our King most dear.

    3 Jesus, for thy people dying,
    risen Master, death defying,
    Lord in heaven, thy grace supplying,
    keep us to thy presence near.

    4 Jesus, who our sorrows bearest,
    all our thoughts and hopes thou sharest,
    thou to us the truth declarest;
    help us all thy truth to hear.

    5 Lord, in all our doings guide us;
    pride and hate shall ne’er divide us;
    we’ll go on with thee beside us,
    and with joy we’ll persevere

  114. street says:

    Jesus did not defend Himself because He is the passover Lamb. He was protected till the appointed time.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning, especially Steve, are you doing well?
    I am sorry that I gave the impression that I was upset.
    Really, I do love you very much, and I am very fond of you.
    Even if we do disagree on some points.
    May God bless you and yours today again.

    I would like to share that the numbers of people infected in our country is rising. Our adjacent countries are taking measures to avoid spreading. One of our pastors of our church lives just across the border in Belgium, but if he would come to our church he would have to quarantine when back in Belgium. So he cannot come.
    Our government has taken more measures, gatherings of not more than 30 people. The government does not want a lockdown as we had in March.

    Last night we had a bible study on Hebrews, 20 people.
    I thoroughly enjoyed it. A coincidence? When Mart talked about the vision of Thomas when he was studying the broken body and shed blood, I started to study Hebrews. And all though I have studied that lots before, now new things appeared to me,

    It is all about Jesus, Who was God by Whom everything is made,
    He became man,

    “Since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death- that is, the devil
    -and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
    . 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.”
    Hebrews 2:14-18

    It is so good to sit together as believers, and go through these bible verses.

    There is no other, it is Jesus!

  116. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, I am well pleased to know my comments did not offend you as I too love you and want only the best for you and yours always.

    My life, like most of everyone else’s, is very busy at times and the past few days have been exceptionally active.

    Almost two years ago a woman (Diane) from a city about 45 minutes from here called me about some family issues of mine she had uncovered doing some genealogical searching. As a result of our conversation we became something of friends.

    I had explained to her that I had not been able to find an obituary or document that gave me a death date for my grandfather. That being of my father’s father.

    I knew that “Frank” had died when my dad and his brother were very young and then they sent to an orphanage a couple years later. But after searching on “Ancester.com” and communicating with the local newspapers I could never come up with a death date.

    Tuesday evening after coming home from my city council meeting I opened a letter I had gotten in the mail from my new friend in Petersburg and enclosed in the letter were not only a copy of Frank’s obituary, but a copy of his death certificate.

    He had died April 7 1917, and my dad only 3 and his brother Fred not quite 1.

    Included in the obituary was the organization Frank belonged to that enabled my grandmother to send then to an orphanage when she thought she could no longer take care of them.

    I was then able to contact the organization that still exists gather information as to when and how long dad and Uncle Fred stayed in the orphanage as well as order a new tombstone for my grandfather from a local monument company.

    Some of you may not understand, but this was very important to me and once I get Frank’s proper monument in place I will feel I have accomplished something awaiting closure for over a hundred years in my family.

    My friend Diane had never given up her search and found the information in the most unlikely of places, but she kept at it until she did. Without my ever knowing the time and effort she was putting out for me.

    This is how I feel God works out things in our lives. Without our ever knowing it, He, using others are working for us all the time behind the scenes in order to answer prayers and fulfil our needs. We only need be patient and await His time for things to come.

    Thank you all for allowing me to tell a little story in the events of my life. I hope all of you are blessed and know the love of God as I do.

    Steve

  117. Beloved says:

    Because the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters, am guessing that none of us will have all the right stuff by the time we process it through our own biases and inclinations.

    Thinking about prayer this morning and how inadequate our thoughts and prayers when it comes to praying for the will of God. Yet sure as the depravity of our minds more surely is the help of the Spirit that intercedes inspires and summons us to communicate with our Heavenly Father in all things.
    Blessed Jesus, thank you, for sending your Spirit to help us.

  118. jeff1 says:

    Lord, life becomes more simple
    When all I seek is You,
    When walking in Your Spirit
    Is all that I pursue,
    When knowing You are with me
    Is all the light I need,
    When all my heart is hungry
    For You to shape and lead.

    Lord, life is filled with beauty
    When I am filled with You,
    When You, so kind and patient,
    Have made me caring, too.
    When I am free to love You
    And look to You alone,
    Then life has found its sunlight,
    And hope has found its home.

    Lord Jesus, Sun of Heaven,
    Its temple and its light,
    Life’s goal and its beginning,
    Love’s length and depth and height;
    Lord, teach my heart to listen
    And rest in simple truth,
    To know life’s sweetest pleasure:
    To know and worship You.

  119. Beloved says:

    Viv that’s beautiful. I was just studying this 1 John 5:18-21
    The Message
    18-21 We know that none of the God-begotten makes a practice of sin—fatal sin. The God-begotten are also the God-protected. The Evil One can’t lay a hand on them. We know that we are held firm by God; it’s only the people of the world who continue in the grip of the Evil One. And we know that the Son of God came so we could recognize and understand the truth of God—what a gift!—and we are living in the Truth itself, in God’s Son, Jesus Christ. This Jesus is both True God and Real Life. Dear children, be on guard against all clever facsimiles.

    MacLarens Sermon on this was so encouraging then your song here an apt finish to my afternoon devotion. Thank you have a blessed evening!

  120. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you, Also a blessed evening and night and morning for the inmates Chris used to visit.

    Good to hear the outcome of your grandfather. Do I get this right: you have the place of your grandfather’s burial site, you know where he is buried, but you didn’t have a date.
    That it was important to you! I know the burial places and times of all my ancestors. On my dad’s side and on my mom’s side. Do I do not know what it is to go without it.

    Imagine what it is when you do not know who your father is, when you were made thtough IVF by a donor.
    I pray God will be an extra Father for them.

  121. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed. You are correct, my grandfather is buried here in our cemetery. However his stone marker only has his name on it. It has been a life quest for me to fill in the blanks as for a birth date and death date.

    His death at the young age of 26 left my grandmother along with my dad at 3 years old and his brother under 1 year old in a situation that created events that molded my father as well as had its effects on me from the things that filter down.

    It is a longer story then I will paint here for all to see, but for my peace of mind, I feel I have closed a book and able to answer questions that had haunted my father and scared him. Maybe now both he and his father can rest in peace now knowing I now can close the book on that dark day in my families past.

    Thank you for your understanding and concern.

    Steve

  122. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Beloved, for sharing and helping me understand that what I believe is true.

    There is so much negative going on around but Christ is all we need.

    No matter what they tell us
    No matter what they do
    No matter what they teach us
    What we believe is true

    No matter what they call us
    However they attack
    No matter where they take us
    We’ll find our own way back

    I can’t deny what I believe
    I can’t be what I’m not
    I know I’ll love forever
    I know no matter what

    If only tears were laughter
    If only night was day
    If only prayers were answered
    Then we would hear God say

    [Chorus]

    And I will keep you safe and strong
    And shelter from the storm
    No matter where it’s barren
    A dream is being born
    No matter who they follow
    No matter where they lead
    No matter how they judge us
    I’ll be everyone you need
    No matter if the sun don’t shine
    Or if the skies are blue
    No matter what the end is
    My life began with you

    I can’t deny what I believe
    I can’t be what I’m not
    I know, I know
    I know this love’s forever
    That’s all that matters now
    No matter what!

  123. foreverblessed says:

    The commentary of MacLaren on 1 John 5:18
    Very good to study,
    The Life inplanted in us is without sin.
    The Life is small and is growing, overcoming the old nature in us, like the invasion of Israel in the land of milk and honey is a foreshadow of the invasion in our own life.

    Citation from MacLaren:

    “..Another consideration may fairly be urged as drawn from this text and that is that the one task of Christians ought to be to deepen and to strengthen the life of God, which is in their souls, by faith. There is no limit, except one of my own making, to the extent to which my whole being may be penetrated through and through and ruled absolutely by that new life which God has given.

    ‘‘Tis life, whereof our nerves are scant,

    Oh life, not death, for which we pant;

    More life, and better, that I want’

    It is all very well to cultivate specific and sporadic virtues and graces. Get a firmer hold and a fuller possession of the life of Christ in your own souls, and all graces and virtues will come.”

  124. poohpity says:

    A while back Mart wrote a topic on how our own perceptions and biases color or influence how we see the world and people just as this topic and James explains. Some people can remain steadfast in the thought that you can not teach an old dog new tricks but others believe and have experienced that you can in fact teach old dogs new tricks. Those who remain steadfast have an issue of pride that they can not learn anything new because they already know it all but those with even a bit of humility remain students who are able to be taught and to learn lots of new things, that seems to be one way in how wisdom works. (Proverbs 18:17 NIV)

    If one always remains in this moment without the ability to identify one’s own biases or perceptions it would then follow that they are stagnate in the same thought patterns that they have always had and growth is just a word that is foreign to them. If something new comes along then that person seems to be more reactive and the defense mode starts which poo-poo’s anything new because the old is good enough.

    Joyfully we live in a world that nothing stays the same it is continually changing but we can rest assured that the things of God stay the same and can be counted on to be true, right, just and merciful, the very foundation that we can bank on. So the wisdom from God “In This Moment” is the same as it has always been it is us who needs to change and we do overtime with His help. He opens our minds and heart to a different perception as in the ways of the world to start seeing the world from His view with spiritual eyes and ears to hear.

    Proverbs 15:

    A cheerful look brings joy to the heart;
    good news makes for good health.

    31
    If you listen to constructive criticism,
    you will be at home among the wise.

    32
    If you reject discipline, you only harm yourself;
    but if you listen to correction, you grow in understanding.

    33
    Fear of the Lord teaches wisdom;
    humility precedes honor.

  125. poohpity says:

    Every really good teacher remains a student throughout their life time. They listen to all sides and facts before they form an opinion and they are wise enough to keep those opinions to themselves in hopes they will not bias the thinking of others unless it is to point them to God and His wisdom. Humility says I do not know everything and I have an open mind to learn.

  126. jeff1 says:

    I have a friend who is so into her culture that she does not want to see anything that would go against it and when I spoke to her of what I knew that would question the wisdom of it she told me that she did not want to know as she was content in her culture and beliefs.

    Sometimes it is best to keep your opinions to yourself as I have found that others can get very snappy when you contradict them.

    Best to let God lead them otherwise you can make an enemy out of friends and at my age it is not so easy making new ones.

    When God opens her eyes then some day she will say to me about our culture and I will smile and know God works in ways I cannot.

    God moves in a mysterious way
    His wonders to perform;
    He plants His footsteps in the sea
    And rides upon the storm.

    Deep in unfathomable mines
    Of never failing skill
    He treasures up His bright designs
    And works His sov’reign will.

    Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;
    The clouds ye so much dread
    Are big with mercy and shall break
    In blessings on your head.

    Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
    But trust Him for His grace;
    Behind a frowning providence
    He hides a smiling face.

    His purposes will ripen fast,
    Unfolding every hour;
    The bud may have a bitter taste,
    But sweet will be the flow’r

    Blind unbelief is sure to err
    And scan His work in vain;
    God is His own interpreter,
    And He will make it plain.
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  127. jeff1 says:

    When darkness long has veiled my mind,
    And smiling day once more appears,
    Then, my Redeemer! then I find
    The folly of my doubts and fears.

    I chide my unbelieving heart;
    And blush that I should ever be
    Thus prone to act so base a part,
    Or harbor one hard thought of thee!

    O let me then at length be taught
    (What I am still so slow to learn,)
    That God is love, and changes not,
    Nor knows the shadow of a turn.

    Sweet truth, and easy to repeat!
    But when my faith is sharply try’d
    I find myself a learner yet,–
    Unskillful, weak, and apt to slide.

    But, O my Lord, one look from thee
    Subdues the disobedient will;
    Drives doubt and discontent away,
    And thy rebellious worm is still.

    Thou art as ready to forgive,
    As I am ready to repine;
    Thou, therefore, all the praise receive;
    Be shame, and self-abhorrence, mine.

  128. foreverblessed says:

    From the song, Oct 2 6.30 am

    But when our hearts perceive His worth,
    Desires, till then unknown, take place;
    Our spirits cleave no more to earth,
    But pant for holiness and grace.

    5 And dost Thou say, “Ask what Thou wilt?”
    Lord, I would seize the golden hour;
    I pray to be released from guilt,
    And freed from sin and Satan’s power.

    6 More of Thy presence, Lord, impart,
    More of Thine image let me bear;
    Erect thy throne within my heart,
    And reign without a rival there.

    7 Give me to read my pardon sealed,
    And from Thy joy to draw my strength;
    To have Thy boundless love revealed
    In all its height, and breadth, and length.

    8 Grant these requests, I ask no more
    But to Thy care the rest resign;
    Sick or in health, or rich or poor,
    All shall be well if Thou art mine

    When we abide in Jesus, our hearts change, slowly.
    What we ask of Him, will change.
    As the song so eloquently describes.

    Abide in Him
    “Let us then approach the throne of Grace
    with confidence,
    so that we may receive mercy
    and find grace to help us in our time of need”.
    Hebrews 4:16

    I notice now, that in years past I would have asked God to change my time of need: meaning: change the circumstances, heal me, or take away adversary.
    But here it says: God will give us grace to go through our time of need.

    So I see that God changes in our hearts,
    The hearts of His children, that is the “land” God is now conquering.
    (And through us He touches the rest of the world.)

  129. poohpity says:

    Is God conquering our hearts or is He conquering sin and the devil(our giants) to protect our hearts?

  130. SFDBWV says:

    Solomon ask God for the wisdom to be king and rule; why do we ask God for wisdom?

    Is it for something we think we need, or for something God needs from us?

    No secret between us that the Book of Job makes me uncomfortable. However if you ask God to use you for His purpose, then be prepared for a fate similar to Job’s.

    Complete with personal pain, loss and suffering as well as a promise of a better ending then we could ever imagine on our own.

    The world around us is a fury of distractions. It is not easy to stay focused and not be effected by it, but be assured God is always there not only to put us back on track, but be always preparing the road ahead.

    He will make a way. Where and when there seems no way.

    Steve

  131. poohpity says:

    I ask God for wisdom so that I can learn; what is pure, what is peaceable and gentle, so I can be open to reason, impartial, sincere, what it means to be full of mercy and be faithful to do the good works God had intended for me to do in His name. That is the wisdom that comes from above that I can practice while here on this earth. It has nothing to do with academics but to grow closer to God in trust and dependence, now that is spiritual wisdom and that is what I ask God for. That will effect every area of life to make it better.

  132. poohpity says:

    If one reads what kind of wisdom Solomon asked God for was to be able to determine between what is right and wrong (1 Kings 3:9) and the first thing we are shown how Solomon used that wisdom/discernment was to determine the mother of a baby in 1 Kings 3:16-28 to which the people replied in verse 28; “When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.” God saw what was in Solomon’s heart when he gave his request to God so it was not about being smarter than anyone but being able to live God’s laws that was the kind of wisdom Solomon asked for.

  133. SFDBWV says:

    1 Kings 3:5-15 KJV The Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream and ask what shall I give thee? Solomon’s long reply states “Give thy servant and understanding heart to judge thy people…” Whereby it is said that Solomon’s speech so pleased the Lord that God gave him a “wise” and understanding heart and added many blessings also to Solomon.

    Interesting isn’t it that the forbidden tree in the garden’s fruit also offered the ability to discern the difference between good and evil yet was it was forbidden for Adam and Eve to eat of it.

    Nothing good ever comes from mankind stepping ahead of God’s plans, only disaster.

    Steve

  134. foreverblessed says:

    Someone from our Music Group of the church had bought a book about: Worship matters, by Bob Kauflin.
    He said it was for each one of us good to read.
    Worshipping God with our heartind and hands. All through the week.
    It matters who we are in the small moments, but he was also encouraging musicians to study theology, meaning: studying the bible with a humble heart but….

    …and here I want to stress a point that he makes:
    It also includes Theology.
    And he quotes Charles Spurgeon, who comments on 2 Timothy 4:13:

    “Paul is filled with the By Spirit, and yet he wants books
    He has seen the Lord, and yet he wants books.
    He has been taken up into the third heaven, and he has heard things because not allowed to talk about, and yet he wants books.
    He has written most of the New Testament, and yet he wants books.”

    “He that is not doing to take advantage of the fruit of the labor of the mind of other people, shows that he has not much knowledge himself.”

    It is not wrong to study about God also with our minds.
    God has given teachers, besides apostles and prophets, Ephesians 4:11

    I was thinking about the parable of the man in trouble, who was praying to God for help, and God sends 3 consecutive people to help him. But he refuses to be helped by other people, only by God Himself.

    Just as there are many christians who do not listen to any other human, just he himself with God and the bible.

    The wisdom from God is first of all humble.
    Being teachable.

    I loved to read about the Apologetics, CS Lewis, but there is a whole group of apologetics nowadays.
    They are also good to answer to the atheists, and
    people from other religions.
    Just as Paul knew how to speak to the Greeks.
    He had studied the mindset and the way of thinking of the Greek.

    “I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible…
    I do all things for the sake of the Gospel
    1 Cor 9:19-23

    But Paul was not a slave in the sense of crawling for them, Paul had Jesus as Lord and Master. Yet he studied, studies tontine out how other wise men before him had explained the Word of God,
    And studied to see how he might explain the Gospel to people with many different backgrounds.

    This is also the passage where Paul said he was not under no law, but under Christ’s law, “law” meaning the law of Grace)

  135. foreverblessed says:

    Worship God with our hearts and minds and hands.

  136. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve, your comment appeared when I logged out.
    Knowledge, understanding, wisdom.
    But anyway, it is so interesting that God forbade man to eat from the tree of good and evil.
    But He invited them to eat from the Tree of Life.

    And yet, in christianity we so often talk about good and evil.
    While Jesus came. to BE the Life where man should voice from.

    The Bread from heaven
    The Resurrection,
    The Source of Life
    The Living Water
    The Good Shepherd

    Every time we look up in faith, His life flows through us and cleansed us, bit by bit.

    So yes, Jesus saves us first from the Adversary, He payed our ransom to bring us over from the power of darkness into the Kingdom of the Son He loves, Col 1:13-14
    But Our sanctification is an ongoing process, there are still old strongholds in us, that need to be conquered in the power of the Holy Spirit, that is the Life of our Resurrected Lord, Jesus Christ.

    (This morning in church, we only had 30 people now. As infection rates still to up. In France and Belgium too, but not in Germany. What do the Germans differently?)
    I cannot correct what I typed:
    We should live from the Life of Christ, not “voice”

    And infection rates go up, not: to up.
    Strange, the cursor goes only to the end. I cannot change anything else.

    May God bless you today, May Be gracefully make good anything we screw up, even though we do not intentionally want to do that, we still do.
    Jesus is Forever busy, helping us standing by, and being IN us.

  137. Beloved says:

    Yes! that is so interesting that the first “law” given to our first parents was “do not eat…”, yet knowing we would fail from the very beginning had a Savior ready to step in so to speak to ransom us from our terrible proclivity to sin against God. Seems our first parents are no different than we are. Oh Jesus! What a Savior! And what a long distance between God and man was closed by death of our God-Man on a cross. As we draw near to Him, He now draws near to us! Thanks be to God for His love mercy kindness forgiveness and justice.

  138. jeff1 says:

    1 O Master, let me walk with Thee
    in lowly paths of service free;
    tell me Thy secret; help me bear
    the strain of toil, the fret of care.

    2 Help me the slow of heart to move
    by some clear, winning word of love;
    teach me the wayward feet to stay,
    and guide them in the homeward way.

    3 Teach me Thy patience, still with Thee
    in closer, dearer company,
    in work that keeps faith sweet and strong,
    in trust that triumphs over wrong.

    4 In hope that sends a shining ray
    far down the future’s broad’ning way;
    in peace that only Thou canst give,
    with Thee, O Master, let me live

  139. Beloved says:

    Matthew 28:6 (NAS) “He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying.

  140. street says:

    jeff said, The pursuit of peace is what causes so much conflict in this world because even among Christians there is division on how to achieve it.

    this made me smile. how could the pursuit of peace cause conflict?

    i think it is the monkey wrench of being curved inward on self. Jesus is the opposite of this. laying His life down for His friends and for us. He bore the the sin of great bores in order to pay a debt we could never pay. a light in a great darkness.

    thinking of a perfect shaped and polished diamond. in the presents of a lump of coal there is no discernable difference of the two in the darkness. yet the the supernatural intervention of God, Light of the World, makes all the difference. His present in us, not to be held on to in the sense self, curved inward. getting shaped and polished in human flesh is not fun, but contrary to our sinful nature. it is the spirit of man, made in the image of God, we are born again, the old died and this rebellion. paul spoke of dying daily, or as Jesus said denying self and taking up the cross daily. going so far as being a Living Sacrifice. a yoke that is easy and light when compared to emptiness and futility. love in spirit and true change people for the better and for the Glory of God. a new family, for the old family has passed away. yet a hope of resurrection and life in God Who delights in loving kindness justice and mercy.

    yet i have to admit it some times feels like being elisha alone and in a cave. be still my soul and wait on the Lord. yet we are allowed/encouraged to seek Him.

  141. street says:

    Psalm 73

  142. Beloved says:

    Psalm73:28 But as for me, the nearness of God is my good;
    I have made the Lord God my refuge,
    That I may tell of all Your works.

  143. street says:

    forever said,”If….if this verse is meant literal: mercy on all
    Then it is the truth.
    In whatever way God will bring that about.

    i believe this refers to the elect only.
    God said, “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy.”

    “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
    and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]

    16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. Romans 9

    side note about wisdom referred to as feminine. i think it referrers to subordinate to God. like joseph and Jesus subordinate to the thrown. moses got in big trouble for insubordination, yet God was merciful and gracious to him. thinking transfiguration.

    yes all mankind subordinate to the will of God. made strait to reflect the glory of God.

    14 Do everything without grumbling or arguing, 15 so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.”[a] Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky 16 as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.

    Exodus 32:13
    Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’”

  144. street says:

    We, the western world, hinge on two things:
    Jesus and Money

    looks like the wheat and the tares growing side by side till the harvest.

    or you can look at this way, one building on a foundation and the other building on sand.

  145. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning fellow bloggers.
    It is good to talk to each other
    To tell his thankful we are that Jesus is our Savior.
    There is no other, you do not have to search for a better option.
    Street, you have been doing some reading on this topic!
    That Jesus and money thing:
    The christian work in Indonesia, bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, has been hindered by the “money” thing.
    Our country as a government was not fair in sharing the wealth with the natives, as Jesus would have us be.

    I go to a nursing home in our village, it was a missionary house for roman cathlic priests, to be trained to go to third world countries. Now retired priests live there, and additional apartment buildings have been built since the seventies, to house older lay people.

    When we started to have oecomenical services in their chapel, some of these priests would attend.
    One of them had been a missionary in Indonesia, and he was telling about it, the local people trusted the nuns that were working in a roman catholic hospital.
    Why was that?
    Because the locals saw that these kind did it for free, they gained nothing on the material plane, ( except they had boarding)

    That made me think, and meditate on Jesus’ teaching:
    Have nothing for yourself,
    Be willing to suffer, cold and hunger, but do not get rich for spreading the Gospel!

    Then we would show yo the unbelieving that we only trust Jesus, and nog on money.

  146. foreverblessed says:

    Paul often went cold and hungry, while going around the country
    “I have labored and toiled and often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food;
    I have been cold and naked.”
    2 Cor 11:27

    I do not say that we have to seek that life, but if Jesus would ask us to do so, for the sake of winning souls, we would be willing.
    Corrie ten Boom had no place of her own, but I do not think that she ever had to sleep outside in the woods, as Paul had done.
    But she was willing to forsake all and follow Jesus.
    At one time she was getting tired of traveling and living out of a suitcase, she was telling God in her prayers about it.
    Then she came to some country in Africa, and a local minister in the first gathering there took his bible and read:
    Rev 2:4
    Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love

    And she accepted this as the answer to her prayers. And went on preaching the Gospel worldwide.

    What does that have to do with my daily living?
    Have I died to self, forsaken all in the spiritual sense, and considering Jesus above all?
    (Street often talks about dying to our old self, and I add: and living in faith in the New Life that us through Christ)
    While in the practical sense, I am still a housewife, “a keeper at home”. To be “in this moment” Jesus and me, and you…

    Sorry, I am just talking away, just to share and to encourage, it is Monday, a day after we have been with Christians, and some of us may not have fellow christians around who have faith in Jesus, who built their life on the Rock, but on sand.
    Let’s pray intercessory prayer for them, that they may find their Savior: Jesus.

  147. poohpity says:

    Just a little FYI;

    There was a vast difference in the motivation of learning the difference in good and evil in the garden and what Solomon asked for. In the garden the first people had the desire to be like God which God knew would lead to their death as He said because after the very first and only command they were given they made the choice to not heed the warning and chose to do evil. While Solomon who was placed in the position of being King over his many brothers asked for wisdom to be able to accomplish the task of governing the very people God had placed him over with God’s wisdom. Two very different reasons not even in the same category.

    After eating from the tree of knowledge God in His infinite wisdom kicked them out of the garden so they WOULD NOT eat from the tree of life and live forever in a constant state of sin.

    There were no BOOKS in the time Paul asked for parchments so that he could communicate with others they used the parchments to write letters on and the scrolls he spoke of, just assuming here, were probably those he learned from as a Pharisee from Gamaliel his teacher in the law. There was no New Testament in those times and just as Jesus taught from the Old Testament I would imagine Paul did as well since it was the OT that pointed to the coming of Jesus.

  148. poohpity says:

    Asking God for discernment would be one of the wisest things anyone could do since there are so many out there who claim to be speaking for or about God yet do not really know Him at all. False teaching and opinions fly all around us everyday and to be able to distinguish between wheat and chaff helps us develop a closer relationship with God and not to be swayed by every teaching that may tickle our ears to fall for nonsense.

  149. foreverblessed says:

    I came here, on the blog of Mart, because he has always pointed to the nuances.
    Not the black and white thinking.

    What are the main points of understanding about Christ that we agree on?
    Think of those things.

    I kindly ask: is that possible?

  150. poohpity says:

    Yes forever, what are the points of understanding about Christ that we can agree on? Think on those things and never talk about things we do not agree on because after all we do not want to learn anything new or different than the way we have always thought before. Isn’t it a good thing to listen to the thinking of others or we would not have a blog called “Been Thinking”.

    Isn’t it healthy to learn what the bible actually does say not what we imagine it says or our perception of what it says?

  151. foreverblessed says:

    I was talking about you finding it relevant to correct the use of the word: books.
    Of course there were no books in Paul’s time.
    The point Spurgeon was making: that if is good to read what thinkers wrote hat have gone before us, whether it was on parchments, of books or internet.

    There are great christian thinkers that are worthwhile to read.
    To start with Clement, Augustine….
    All of them being human, so not infallible.
    With the help of the Holy Spirit.
    It is through studying on the broken body and shed blood in Hebrews and 2 Cor 11, also reading the commentaries that I learn something new.
    And I lay it in prayer before God, to have the Holy Spirit open my mind.
    Thanks be to God.

    Even Jesus gave a New Command
    New…

  152. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, how I love this, the verse of the day on bible gateway is this one:

    Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching. They are a garland to grace your head and a chain to adorn your neck.

    Prov 1:8-9

    Father and mother, not necessarily your real father and mother.( All though very possibly so, if they said things that are from God),
    but the your father and mother in the faith. (your mentors, teachers. The ones that have gone before you.)
    Like Paul called many his sons, as he had no physical sons, but sons in the faith.

  153. Beloved says:

    Because the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters, am guessing that none of us will have all the right stuff by the time we process it through our own biases and inclinations.

    Nuances? Yes, I think so. But agreement? No never. Only the black and white Word of Truth will stand, I believe, in time, when the fullness of time has ended.

  154. Beloved says:

    Romans 8:19
    The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God.

  155. Beloved says:

    9 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples.(B) He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus,(C) so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way,(D) whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.(E) 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice(F) say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

    5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

    “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” Acts9

  156. street says:

    What are the main points of understanding about Christ that we agree on?
    Think of those things.

    the same Spirit.

    different filters.

    seems the filters need to pass through the fire.

    better yet abandoned, deny self

    take up your cross daily

    follow Jesus

    thinking before you can follow i would think you would have to come to Him.

    John 6:37
    All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

    50 Now before the year of famine came, two sons were born to Joseph, whom Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera priest of [as]On, bore to him. 51 Joseph named the firstborn [at]Manasseh, “For,” he said, “God has made me forget all my trouble and all my father’s household.” 52 He named the second [au]Ephraim, “For,” he said, “God has made me fruitful in the land of my affliction.”

    adopted new life new creation.

    the greatest of these is love in Christ Jesus. the Author and Finisher of faith and hope.

  157. poohpity says:

    forever I read many things besides the bible but often when I read someone who supposedly is writing about God what I always compare it to is what is written in scripture. I was taught that from the beginning of my relationship with the Lord and have experienced it to be the best thing to do because there are a lot of people out there that speak as if they know God’s word but actually they do not so they speak within their own authority, perception and biases not on the foundation. It would be wise for everyone to have that firm foundation before they go off listening to others and getting info from second, third and fourth hand info why not go directly to the true source because almost every Christian has a bible but would rather seek out what the bible says from someone or somewhere else.

  158. poohpity says:

    In Sunday School this weekend one lady in our class said she has bought several books on how to pray and I simply asked her why not use the bible to teach you how to pray because all those other books get their info from the bible so why not go to the source yourself rather than depending on someone else to teach you let God teach you.

  159. jeff1 says:

    1 Peace, perfect peace, in this dark world of sin?
    The blood of Jesus whispers peace within.

    2 Peace, perfect peace, by thronging duties pressed?
    To do the will of Jesus, this is rest.

    3 Peace, perfect peace, death shadowing us and ours?
    Jesus has vanquished death and all its powers.

    4 Peace, perfect peace, our future all unknown?
    Jesus we know, and he is on the throne.

    5 It is enough: earth’s struggles soon shall cease,
    and Jesus call to heaven’s perfect peace.

  160. street says:

    10
    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
    And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
    Proverbs 9:10

  161. street says:

    reading other writers is an interesting interest. it reminds me of a coffee with Jesus, comic ,where Jesus ask the attended, “what does that mean in your own words?”
    reading about other people encounters with God and testimony is expected in this coarse of life, yet we should expect to spend time in God’s presents too. even doing His will. thinking of Jesus and a light that never goes away, even in darkness.

  162. street says:

    5 It is enough: earth’s struggles soon shall cease,
    and Jesus call to heaven’s perfect peace.

    Jesus love is enough.

    Jesus love is all you need

    following is lot more difficult, yet a lot lighter than disobedience.

  163. bubbles says:

    Thinking about prayer: it’s a good thing to pray and not ask. . Sometimes I just pray and tell God about things He has made that I enjoy and am in awe, and then things about Him that are special to me without asking for anything. I know God wants us to ask Him for things, but it’s refreshing to only praise Him and worship in prayer and ask another time sometimes. I’ll get in a rut and ask for things or for others, and it’s nice to pray the other way sometimes. :) Jesus began prayer with “hallowed by Thy name.”

  164. foreverblessed says:

    So true, Bubbles, I try to start every morning, when I open my eyes, first thing to have my eyes on Jesus:
    Here am I Jesus, good morning! This day again with You, here am I.

    So good, just to sit still with Him, and indeed not asking for anything, but just remembering Who He is.

    In church on Sunday, one lady had a word for us:
    Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, in prayer and petition,
    WITH THANKSGIVING, present your requests to God.

    This verse is about asking things from God,
    But even then, when asking: with Thanksgiving!

    I have been meditating upon that, when I have a need, first search in my heart where I can be thankful for.

    In my own family, I have great sorrow, for my siblings, and their children, who have left God.
    So I want to lay my sorrow, my burden at the altar, and leave it there.
    That’s the thing that needs discipline: it is do easy to pick up the worry again, when I turn around,
    But instead, I start praising God for the Work He is already doing in their hearts.

    It is Jesus, Who is the Savior of the world.
    He is whiter than white, there is no one so white as Jesus is.

    In fact, when He comes back He will ride on a white horse.

    “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse 🐎, whose Rider is called Faithful and True”
    Rev 19:11

  165. foreverblessed says:

    Just a note, when I wrote:
    just instead I start praising God, for what He is ready doing,
    I ought to do that, but the worrying thoughts remain a long time.
    Jesus could touch the heart of Saul, so He can touch anyone’s heart, Paul said.

  166. poohpity says:

    How wonderful it is to stand in awe of God. When I realize who He is and so worthy of all my praise just because He is God. I often share with Him that I do not grasp the full extent of all that He is because my mind can not really comprehend His power or majesty because there is nothing on this earth or in the universe that even comes close to all that He is or how He can want a relationship with us, it is all totally amazing no words can even come close to the reality of that. WOW!! Then to take all that He is and place it in a tent of a human, Jesus, to show us who He really is and walk among us. No greater love was shown than that.

  167. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think anyone should get hung up on the source of God’s word but the power of it as it keeps satan from our hearts and minds where he wants to infiltrate.

    I miss our church gatherings though I can access service on line it is not quite the same as singing, praying and listening to sermons together so I will look forward to the eradication of coronavirus for more reasons than one.

    1. Help us accept each other as Christ accepted us;
    teach us as sister, brother, each person to embrace.
    Be present, Lord, among us and bring us to believe
    we are ourselves accepted and meant to love and live.

    2. Teach us, O Lord, your lessons, as in our daily life
    we struggle to be human and search for hope and faith.
    Teach us to care for people, for all not just for some,
    to love them as we find them or as they may be come.

    3. Let your acceptance change us, so that we may be moved
    in living situations to do the truth in love;
    to practice your acceptance until we know by heart
    the table of forgiveness and laughter’s healing art.

    4. Lord, for today’s encounters with all who are in need,
    who hunger for acceptance, for righteousness and bread,
    we need new eyes for seeing, new hands for holding on:
    renew us with your Spirit; Lord, free us, make us one!

  168. poohpity says:

    Viv, that song reminds me of what Jesus said about we never know when we see Jesus that He could be that hungry and thirsty person on the street corner, or a person in jail, or a homeless person, or that person with no coat for warmth or a sick person with no one to care for them. (Matt 25:31-46)

  169. SFDBWV says:

    Mart has often used this picture of the lion on different subjects. I find the picture to be a combination of views or appreciations as being in contrast.

    Even the almost black and white or sepia coloring of the picture fits its mood.

    Looking at the face of the lion you can see his concentration on whatever it is he sees. In his expression you see he knows exactly what he is doing.

    Yes regal and wise is that stare.

    Yet when you fade to the backdrop there he is caged in a concrete prison.

    Denied the tall grass, fresh air and freedom you would associate with such a majestic beast.

    Very sad.

    Yet it makes me wonder what “majestic” beast is caged within each of us. Staring out into a desired view of what it longs to devour.

    Thanks Mart for a picture of so many dimensions.

    Steve

  170. jeff1 says:

    Such words of wisdom from C. S. Lewis and what a way he has with words.

    God has not been trying an experiment on my faith or love in order to find out their quality. He knew it already. It was I who didn’t. In this trial He makes us occupy the dock, the witness box, and the bench all at once. He always knew that my temple was a house of cards. His only way of making me realize the fact was to knock it down.

    God descends to re-ascend. He comes down; down from the heights of absolute being into time and space, down into humanity … down to the very roots and sea-bed of the nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the ruined world up with Him.
    C. S. Lewis

    The salvation of a single soul is more important than the production or preservation of all the epics and tragedies in the world.
    C. S. Lewis

    The world is so much larger than I thought. I thought we went along paths–but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
    C. S. Lewis

    To be ignorant and simple now-not to be able to meet the enemies on their own ground-would be to throw down our weapons and to betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered.
    C. S. Lewis

    The idea which…shuts out the Second Coming from our minds, the idea of the world slowly ripening to perfection, is a myth, not a generalization from experience.
    C. S. Lewis

    And He [God] and you are two things of such a kind that if you really get into any kind of touch with Him you will, in fact, be humble–delightedly humble, feeling the infinite relief of having for once got rid of all the silly nonsense about your own dignity which has made you restless and unhappy all your life.
    C. S. Lewis

    Gratitude looks to the Past and love to the Present; fear, avarice, lust, and ambition look ahead.
    C. S. Lewis

    Meanwhile, little people like you and me, if our prayers are sometimes granted, beyond all hope and probability, had better not draw hasty conclusions to our own advantage. If we were stronger, we might be less tenderly treated. If we were braver, we might be sent, with far less help, to defend far more desperate posts in the great battle.
    C. S. Lewis

    Now God designed the human machine to run on Himself. He Himself is the fuel our spirits were designed to burn, or the food our spirits were designed to feed on. There is no other.
    C. S. Lewis

    The worldly man treats certain people kindly because he ‘likes’ them: the Christian, trying to treat every one kindly, finds him liking more and more people as he goes on – including people he could not even have imagined himself liking at the beginning.
    C. S. Lewis

    It is not enough to want to get rid of one’s sins, we also need to believe in the One who saves us from our sins.
    C. S. Lewis

    Much is expected from those to whom much is given.
    C. S. Lewis

    God is the only comfort, He is also the supreme terror: the thing we most need and the thing we most want to hide from.
    C. S. Lewis

    The enemy will not see you vanish into God’s company without an effort to reclaim you.
    C. S. Lewis

    I have been trying to make the reader believe that we actually are, at present, creatures whose character must be, in some respects, a horror to God, as it is, when we really see it, a horror to ourselves. This I believe to be a fact: and I notice that the holier a man is, the more fully he is aware of that fact.
    C. S. Lewis

    We are born helpless. As soon as we are fully conscious we discover loneliness. We need others physically, emotionally, and intellectually. We need them if we are to know anything, even ourselves.
    C. S. Lewis

    The sense that in this universe we are treated as strangers, the longing to be acknowledged, to meet with some response, to bridge some chasm that yawns between us and reality, is part of our inconsolable secret. And surely, from this point of view, the promise of glory, in the sense described, becomes highly relevant to our deep desire. For glory meant good report with God, acceptance by God, response, acknowledgment, and welcome into the heart of things. The door on which we have been knocking all our lives will open at last.
    C. S. Lewis

  171. Beloved says:

    Bubbles that is great!

    Steve I happen to be studying James and he really explains what you are talking about!

  172. Beloved says:

    C.S. Lewis being a scholarly well read teacher learned much from not only scripture but the writings of Christian philosophers. Paul himself asked that his books be brought to him when he traveled. Wisdom from the ancients comes from God, yet no one has all wisdom except for God, who imparts to us as He decides. And as we ask of course. Does God always tell us what we want to know- no He does not. We walk by faith, not by sight. In the end we will know more when we see Him as He really is. It will all make sense by and by.

  173. jeff1 says:

    That knowledge is reflected in his writings and I find this enlightening as it speaks of how God works to our individual needs and so wisdom may be on a need to know basis which as you say He imparts to us as He decides.

    Meanwhile, little people like you and me, if our prayers are sometimes granted, beyond all hope and probability, had better not draw hasty conclusions to our own advantage. If we were stronger, we might be less tenderly treated. If we were braver, we might be sent, with far less help, to defend far more desperate posts in the great battle.
    C. S. Lewis

  174. Beloved says:

    James 4:2-3
    New American Standard Bible
    2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask [a]with wrong motives, so that you may spend it [b]on your pleasures.

    I think of this often when praying. What are my motives? Dare I be honest with myself and let Gods ways rule? Sometimes just being quiet like bubbles said and trusting the Holy Spirit to intercede with one word, “help”, is enough. Complete dependence on God as Lewis mentions to use us as we are or as we need to be is wisdom.

  175. jeff1 says:

    Perhaps that is why when I often do not know what to pray I find in my silence that God gives me peace rather than answers for in an uncertain world it is peace that I seek as His peace is much more desirable than the world’s is.

  176. poohpity says:

    What relationship can flourish without honest communication? Isn’t prayer just a means of communication? We can treat God like He is our vending machine or Santa Claus but to develop our relationship with Him don’t we need to talk together about everything like one does with their best friend or spouse or family?

  177. Beloved says:

    Proverbs23:10-28
    Closing Prayer
    Father in heaven, our sole ambition in life is to make You proud of us as Your children who represent You to others here on earth.

  178. Beloved says:

    That was from Scripture Union.

  179. street says:

    23 Buy the truth and do not sell it—
    wisdom, instruction and insight as well.

    26 My son, give me your heart
    and let your eyes delight in my ways,

    17 Do not let your heart envy sinners,
    but always be zealous for the fear of the Lord.

    15 My son, if your heart is wise,
    then my heart will be glad indeed;
    16 my inmost being will rejoice
    when your lips speak what is right.

    1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
    Nor stand in the [a]path of sinners,
    Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
    2
    But his delight is in the “Word” of the Lord,
    And in His “Word” he meditates day and night.
    3
    He will be like a tree firmly planted by [b]streams of water,
    Which yields its fruit in its season
    And its [c]leaf does not wither;
    And [d]in whatever he does, he prospers.

    2 Why are the [a]nations in an uproar
    And the peoples devising a vain thing?
    2
    The kings of the earth take their stand
    And the rulers take counsel together
    Against the Lord and against His [b]Anointed, saying,
    3
    “Let us tear their fetters apart
    And cast away their cords from us!”

    4
    He who [c]sits in the heavens laughs,
    The Lord scoffs at them.
    5
    Then He will speak to them in His anger
    And terrify them in His fury, saying,
    6
    “But as for Me, I have [d]installed My King
    Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

    7
    “I will surely tell of the [e]decree of the Lord:
    He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
    Today I have begotten You.
    8
    ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the [f]nations as Your inheritance,
    And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
    9
    ‘You shall [g]break them with a [h]rod of iron,
    You shall shatter them like [i]earthenware.’”

    10
    Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
    Take warning, O [j]judges of the earth.
    11
    [k]Worship the Lord with [l]reverence
    And rejoice with trembling.
    12
    [m]Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
    For His wrath may [n]soon be kindled.
    How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

    homage noun
    respect or reverence paid or rendered: In his speech he paid homage to Washington and Jefferson.
    the formal public acknowledgment by which a feudal tenant or vassal declared himself to be the man or vassal of his lord, owing him fealty and service.
    the relation thus established of a vassal to his lord.
    something done or given in acknowledgment or consideration of the worth of another: a Festschrift presented as an homage to a great teacher.

    festschrift (often initial capital letter) a volume of articles, essays, etc., contributed by many authors in honor of a colleague, usually published on the occasion of retirement, an important anniversary, or the like.

    fealty fidelity; faithfulness. Dictionary dot com

    the word covenant came to mind and an artical “covenant” in britannica was found. did not read it all but i hope to return to it.

    thinking of the puritans

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

  180. Beloved says:

    Who is this King of glory? The LORD mighty in battle. The LORD, mighty in battle!

    Psalm100:5 English Standard Version
    For the LORD is good; his steadfast love endures forever, and his faithfulness to all generations.

  181. Beloved says:

    Street you just “happened” ha ha to be the help I asked God for a couple hours ago.

  182. SFDBWV says:

    In the “Lord’s Prayer” we ask of God the Father to “not” lead us into temptation, but to deliver us from evil.

    Does this imply that God has, may or might put temptation in our path?

    It also is written that God does not tempt us.

    Yet there in the Garden was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. With fruit forbidden for Adam or Eve to eat.

    Tuesday I received a new “Bible Project”, “Why Does God Test People?”

    I didn’t really like it, though I found that in part I have always considered that the tree was put there, placing paradise in jeopardy, as a means to eventually bring Jesus and the cross into the story.

    God, knowing Adam would fail the test all along.

    Abraham was tested with the instruction from God to kill his promised and beloved son Isaac and because Abraham “passed “ the test, through Abraham and his descendants all people of all nations would be blessed.

    The “Bible Project” then goes on to state we are tested throughout our lives and each and every time we fail the test we invite disaster into our lives. With, of course, the opportunity for forgiveness through Christ, yet stuck with the results of failing the test.

    Like I said I didn’t really like the “project”.

    In my opinion…

    Believing such, no small wonder why some people give up living among other people, abandon the world and hide away. Thinking that may remove temptation from them. Yet maybe running away may actually be how they fail the test.

    “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil…”

    34 degrees under a starry sky, the moon with its grin not in view yet as it was yesterday morning at this time.

    Steve

  183. poohpity says:

    Since it was not God who tempted our first parents to eat from a tree that God told them would cause them harm, that was a temptation from the evil one but faith, trust and dependence on/in God not to do it(testing of faith) would be the wisdom from above while the wisdom from below is filled with envy and self centered ambition.

    Failure is not defeat to give in to and stop trying but it is a lesson to learn from hopefully. A failure in our faith does not mean we do not have faith but it means it has yet to mature enough to trust and depend on God like one tells others they do, like walking the talk.

    As James puts it in the first chapter;

    2 Count it all joy, my brothers,[b] when you meet trials of various kinds, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. 4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

    5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways….

    12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

    That brings us back to the tempting in the garden by Satan.

    Like Mart was saying we each hear and read things behind our own biases and inclinations. So if our own inclinations or biases are that God is not good and He plays with us like pieces in a chess game then that is how one will see and hear things about God. Carrying around disappointment and discouragement that God has not answered a prayer the way one(self) wanted that must mean God does not have good intent over all.

  184. poohpity says:

    Sometimes one can get in God’s way from answering a prayer when we take it upon ourselves to prevent struggles, pain or the trials that are needed exactly to help growth happen then blame God for unanswered prayer.

  185. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Deborah, just wondering are you tired of being tested and failing?

    Even Elijah sat beneath the juniper tree and said enough is enough…Though God will still use him in a future time.

    Learned that in Lamentations it is ok to complain some and ask God why.

    Don’t misunderstand my motives Deborah, I am not here to teach, but to simply give my thoughts.

    If I can’t do that without correction or ridicule or criticism I may as well just keep my thoughts to myself.

    As I have found here within this place you are my biggest test.

    Have a nice day

    Steve

  186. jeff1 says:

    It is C. S. Lewis who said if he wanted something to make him happy a bottle of port would do that but he wouldn’t choose Christianity so I believe that trials are what draws me to God either the failures I experience or the lessons I learn help me see God in a clearer light.

    I think the disappointment comes from within myself as I have weaknesses that cause me to get disillusioned with who I am.

    I want to do better but often find I back slide into my old ways and depression accompanies failure for me.

    Its a cycle that exhausts me and so I am not unlike those people you speak of Steve, who just want to hide from the world to avoid conflict and temptation.

    Weariness seems to be my company these days.

  187. SFDBWV says:

    Viv weariness is the right word. Some days I don’t know how I can take one more step, but I have to, so I do.

    Matthew is now 42 years old and is very weary and tired of the troubles he is forced to endure.

    He complains daily all day long and the fact is I understand very well his feelings. His logic is right on target.

    Just this morning he said to me “Dad we have to get me walking…”

    Few can understand the pain I feel in my heart all day long.

    But I stay the course and do the best I can empowered from I believe God to be able to endure at all.

    But I am tired and so is Matt. As we await rescue from this life, God has given us all we need to continue, to endure and I am very thankful for that. As there are many who do not live as well as we do.

    Our cup runs over for sure and it is through this “place” in life that we are used of God as a witness for Him.

    The thing is He is big enough to let us complain some and still feel we need rescue by and through Him.

    And I appreciate friends like you who can let me unload from time to time without judgement, just listening and sympathetic.

    Steve

  188. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Steve, for speaking honestly and not giving a list of do’s and don’ts which those who think they are holier than though usually do.

    I am going to tell you of an experience my son had when he attended a funeral of his friend who died from a drug overdose.

    He came home very upset (was in his teens then) and I ask him why he said that the preacher had spoken of how his friend was now in hell for his sins and went on to lecture them on their morals.

    Then we wonder why a younger generation has turned away from God but I don’t because I have heard too many preachers all to eager to see someone in hell rather than being forgiven and that isn’t the God that I grew up with or that my dad spoke of which is very puzzling for me today.

  189. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning!
    It is getting dinner time here!

    Just to sit down and listen,
    Quietly
    Not giving advice!
    That is such a huge test for well meaning christians.
    I remember one evening with the Church,
    There was a training moment:
    We had to divide in pairs,
    And the one person would share something personal,
    The other person was told just to listen, not to give advice.

    And there a of us found out, that christians, especially evangelical christians, have such a hard time doing!
    I had a hard time just to let sink in what was said.
    And be compassionate.
    I tell myself, just pray!

    I would not know what if is, to be in your situation, Steve, not your Jeff!
    But I know That God is:
    The Great I Am

    Be knows what He is doing, that is a phrase Steve, you often say, and Jeff too.

    Keep the faith in Jesus going!

    I had to think about Mary, that she had to wait a long time before Jesus would start His mission.

  190. foreverblessed says:

    So even now I add, about Mary
    🙃
    Sorry,
    May God be with you!

  191. street says:

    3 By wisdom a house is built,
    and through understanding it is established;
    4 through knowledge its rooms are filled
    with rare and beautiful treasures.
    PROVERBS 24

    born in darkness raised in wilderness born again by the blood of the Lamb, given a new Spirit taken up in Glory. till then faith hope and love. to be conformed to the image of the only begotten Son of God. learning to love through suffering. a love that comes from God not from self. steve God is making you a lord and a king. in the line of david. remember david’s troubles, don’t remember them, remember david’s God.

  192. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I know how dependent Matthew is on you but cannot imagine the energy it takes to take care of him.

    My brother was badly mentally affected (schizophrenia) and it took a great strain on my mum and dad so I understand a little of what you say about pain in your heart.

    My dad was very much of the belief that God uses our pain and so I see Lewis did too and that encourages me to get through it but I wouldn’t tell anyone that it is easy for it is not as you well know Steve from experience.

  193. Beloved says:

    I suddenly had a thought of the pain and agony Isaac must have felt as he prepared his beloved son for the slaughter!!! Oh my! Who really knows what evil lurks that God delivers us from daily. Some seen some unseen yet all under subjection to almighty God. Bless His holy name now and forever amen.

  194. jeff1 says:

    I cannot see the light, my Lord;
    I only feel the fear;
    And yet I know that You are God
    When nothing else is clear.

    I have no strength to lift myself,
    But Lord, I lift my need.
    I spread before You all my fears.
    Come take my hand and lead.

    When all my joys have turned to pain
    And hopes have fallen through,
    I raise my eyes and fix my heart:
    My only hope is You.

    My God, my God, my hope, my joy,
    You’re with me in this place!
    So in Your presence, in Your peace,
    I trust, rejoice, and wait.

  195. poohpity says:

    Steve in your comment @ 4:58am YOU asked, “Does this imply that God has, may or might put temptation in our path?” So my reply was to that question but of course you accuse me of some sort of attack on you or making light of the problems you are going through and that WAS NOT the case at all. You started a conversation about temptation and testing so I was just following your lead but of course as usually it was me not extending empathy for the path you are on which again is your perception but that does not make it so.

  196. poohpity says:

    Steve, Then on top of that as usual when you falsely accuse me of something then others follow closely behind when it is only your bias and inclinations but they are not based on any truth at all.

  197. Beloved says:

    I was just listening to “The Battle for Your Mind” on YouTube channel Lion of Judah. Such good stuff to ruminate on!

  198. Beloved says:

    I am not advising just sharing😀

  199. foreverblessed says:

    Ruminate, I do not know that word,
    It sounds like: chewing on!

    Just to say something positive, to keep in the peace that is from above.
    Only Jesus knows the deepest of a heart.
    In the mean time we can pray a blessing for each other.
    🙏

  200. foreverblessed says:

    Someone gave me a book by Joyce Meyer, the battlefield of the mind.

    Overcome negative thoughts, with thoughts from God’s Grace.
    Overcome evil with good.
    If I think something negative about somebody, I can direct my thoughts to Jesus,
    Jesus, You love us all, also this person, there is a mountain of misunderstanding between us, but You are stronger than mountains.

  201. jeff1 says:

    I faced a mountain,
    That I never faced before
    That’s why I’m calling on the Lord

    I know it’s been awhile,
    Lord please hear my prayer
    I need you like I never have before.

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Then whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust you and believe

    Far from you Jesus
    I thought I could control
    Whatever life would throw my way
    But this I will admit
    Has brought me to my knees
    I need you Lord and I’m not ashamed to say

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Than whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain x2
    To trust you and believe
    To trust you and believe

  202. Beloved says:

    Forever the site I mentioned is about ruminating on scripture! Thy word have I hidden in my heart that I might not sin against Thee.

  203. Beloved says:

    When I say ruminating I think of a cow chewing its cud slowly and purposely to get all the nutrients ingested. The milk comes later!

  204. Beloved says:

    Sometimes it’s best to keep silent while others are still chewing. Gods timing is perfect!

  205. jeff1 says:

    1 What our Father does is well:
    Blessed truth His children tell!
    Tho’ He send, for plenty, want,
    Tho’ the harvest store be scant,
    Yet we rest upon His love,
    Seeking better things above.

    2 What our Father does is well.
    Shall the wilful heart rebel
    If a blessing He withhold
    In the field or in the fold?
    Is He not Himself to be
    All our store eternally?

    3 What our Father does is well.
    Tho’ He sadden hill and dell,
    Upward yet our praises rise
    For the strength His Word supplies.
    He has called us sons of God;
    Can we murmur at His rod?

    4 What our Father does is well;
    May the tho’t within us dwell!
    Tho’ nor milk nor honey flow
    In our barren Canaan now,
    God can save us in our need,
    God can bless us, God can feed.

    5 Therefore unto Him we raise
    Hymns of glory, songs of praise.
    To the Father and the Son
    And the Spirit, Three in One,
    Honor, might, and glory be
    Now and through eternity.

  206. Beloved says:

    Ezekiel 34:11

    Good News Translation
    “I, the Sovereign LORD, tell you that I myself will look for my sheep and take care of them

  207. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, that is so true!
    The King of love my Shepherd is
    His goodness faileth never
    I am His and He is mine forever

  208. SFDBWV says:

    We all only have so much energy and how we use it could be said to be wise or unwise. We all also know people or have friends who can use up your energy and it becomes a choice of just how much energy you want to give away.

    Today is going to be very hectic as Glenna has cataract surgery at 8:45 this morning and I an appointment with my cardiologist this afternoon.

    After getting Matt settled in following his breakfast, I have a little time to set here, visit with you my friends on BTA as well as feed the critters and have my quiet time with God.

    It is meant to be a time of refreshment, to rest without stress and have a little me time.

    I cannot waste it with pointless arguing or on people who just will never get it, never understand and only either sap my energies or take me to a place I don’t want to go.

    Far too many people have left our group because of just those reasons.

    I could argue, I could fight back, I could sink to their level, but wisdom as well as the Holy Spirit says to just leave them to God, shake the dust from their dirty floors off my feet and move on.

    I won’t be here today, far too many things going on.

    A little rain this morning.

    Steve

  209. poohpity says:

    James describes wisdom from above as (first and foremost) free of self-centered and ambitious contamination, (and instead) peace-loving, considerate, willing to yield, full of mercy and good outcomes, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

    To blame others for the people leaving this blog and not see your hand in it sure is the very definition of hypocrisy. Then to blame someone else for your energies being sapped and taking you places you do not want to go again is so easy to do which blame often does then one does not have to look at their own responsibility in the circumstance. Not to many look at the history of blame it started in the garden but no one who blames can take responsibility for anything they do because it is in ALL WAYS the fault of someone else. Only cowards blame while the courageous accept their own responsibility.

    I pray that Glenna’s surgery goes well without complications and that you Steve get a good report from the heart doctor.

  210. bratimus says:

    If I said it this way,

    Father who dwells in Heaven, the Holy of Hollies

    Guide me away from the path of temptation, and kick evils butt for me.

    is the meaning any different from

    Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be your name

    Lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil

    Amen

    The wording is different, is the meaning different

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  211. Beloved says:

    Speaking of wisdom, this really spoke to me today

    Proverbs 25 The Message Bible

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    Comparisons and Moral Lessons

    25 1 There are also these proverbs of Solomon, collected by scribes of Hezekiah, king of Judah.

    2 God delights in concealing things; scientists delight in discovering things. 3 Like the horizons for breadth and the ocean for depth, the understanding of a good leader is broad and deep.

    4 Remove impurities from the silver and the silversmith can craft a fine chalice; 5 Remove the wicked from leadership and authority will be credible and God-honoring.

    6 Don’t work yourself into the spotlight; don’t push your way into the place of prominence. 7 It’s better to be promoted to a place of honor than face humiliation by being demoted.

    8 Don’t jump to conclusions – there may be a perfectly good explanation for what you just saw. 9 In the heat of an argument, don’t betray confidences; 10 Word is sure to get around, and no one will trust you.

    11 The right word at the right time is like a custom-made piece of jewelry, 12 And a wise friend’s timely reprimand is like a gold ring slipped on your finger.

    13 Reliable friends who do what they say are like cool drinks in sweltering heat – refreshing!

    14 Like billowing clouds that bring no rain is the person who talks big but never produces.

    15 Patient persistence pierces through indifference; gentle speech breaks down rigid defenses. A Person Without Self-Control

    16 When you’re given a box of candy, don’t gulp it all down; eat too much chocolate and you’ll make yourself sick;

    17 And when you find a friend, don’t outwear your welcome; show up at all hours and he’ll soon get fed up.

    18 Anyone who tells lies against the neighbors in court or on the street is a loose cannon.

    19 Trusting a double-crosser when you’re in trouble is like biting down on an abscessed tooth.

    20 Singing light songs to the heavyhearted is like pouring salt in their wounds.

    21 If you see your enemy hungry, go buy him lunch; if he’s thirsty, bring him a drink. 22 Your generosity will surprise him with goodness, and God will look after you.

    23 A north wind brings stormy weather, and a gossipy tongue stormy looks.

    24 Better to live alone in a tumbledown shack than share a mansion with a nagging spouse.

    25 Like a cool drink of water when you’re worn out and weary is a letter from a long-lost friend.

    26 A good person who gives in to a bad person is a muddied spring, a polluted well.

    27 It’s not smart to stuff yourself with sweets, nor is glory piled on glory good for you.

    28 A person without self-control is like a house with its doors and windows knocked out.

  212. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 29:11
    11 Fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end.

  213. Beloved says:

    I love this description of Christ-

    Isaiah 42:1–25
    The Lord’s Chosen Servant
    42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold,
    my chosen, in whom my soul delights;
    I have put my Spirit upon him;
    he will bring forth justice to the nations.
    2 He will not cry aloud or lift up his voice,
    or make it heard in the street;
    3 a bruised reed he will not break,
    and a faintly burning wick he will not quench;
    he will faithfully bring forth justice.

  214. foreverblessed says:

    My chosen, in whom my soul delights

    Jesus, He didn’t say a word when He was crucified, He did not defend Himself.
    But when we interact as christians we can say things to each other, it is for encouragement, for reproving.

    We need wisdom when to speak and when not to speak.
    Mart gave us the advice, a few years ago, when there is a bully, just to pray:
    Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.

    And in the series on discover the word, at he last one he repeated that: sometimes it is no use talking it out, just pray to God about it.
    God knows what is going on in a heart, what the blockages are.

  215. foreverblessed says:

    Bratimus, yes, that is a good line for:
    Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one

  216. foreverblessed says:

    Here is another:
    When we are tempted, make that we do not forget You.

    I heard that for the first time in one of the hymns Bach wrote.
    When things go wrong, when the tide is against us, we will not forsake the faith.
    That we still believe:
    Jesus has conquered evil.

    1 John 5:18-21
    We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin, the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one does not touch him.
    We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
    We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true.
    And we are in Him who is true- even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    He is the true God and eternal life.
    Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

  217. jeff1 says:

    Be Thou my vision, oh Lord of my heart
    Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
    Thou my best thought by day or by night
    Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light

    Be Thou my wisdom and Thou my true word
    I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord
    Thou my great Father, I Thy true son
    Thou in me dwelling and I with Thee one

    High King of Heaven my victory won
    May I reach heaven’s joys, oh, bright heaven’s sun
    Heart of my own heart whatever befall
    Still be my vision, oh Ruler of all

    Thou and Thou only first in my heart
    High King of Heaven, my treasure Thou art

  218. bullwinkle11 says:

    It has been a long time since I have posted on this blog, so long that I had forgotten my password and my recovery email was no longer in use. Therefore, I have a new name because I could not use the same name (actually simply added 11 to the end of my user name).
    Just writing to assure y’all (have even moved to Texas) that there are many who read this blog that rarely if ever comment. I am so glad that a number of you are faithful to comment daily as I start my morning each day with a devotion period and reading this blog is part of that time that I like to spend honoring God.
    Always look forward to seeing Steves’ perspective on life and want to encourage him and his family with their trials. Praying that all goes well and Glennas’ recovery is swift.
    Doubtful that there will be a quick end to the turmoil that continually comes up on this blog, leaving you with one thought: Proverbs 18:1-2
    Pete

  219. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, yes, I pray too for Steve and Glenna, with this thing with her heart going on.
    I was looking it up what Steve wrote that us to happen but I could not find it again. A heart cataract?
    Thank you Pete, for your kind remark.
    And for the proverb to think about.

    Sometimes God leads us through difficulty, not because of us, but because to fruit of the tribulation is that we are of better help to others:
    “.. That you may comfort others, with the comfort wherewith you were comforted”.

    Oh, I cannot correct what I have written,
    the second sentence should say: what Steve wrote what was going to happen.
    But somehow the auto-correct made it into:
    Steve wrote that us to happen.

    It sounds like, that when I say something, there is an evil spirit in the air that gives a little twist to my intention into something evil.
    I didn’t say it, but the person hears it.

    That is also a reason to just bless!!!
    Bless, bless bless, I may have heard something that the other person did not intend to say.

  220. SFDBWV says:

    Oh dear…Let me first say hello to Pete, it has been a while and always good to hear from friends. Glad you got your password and user name straightened out.

    I hate that about computers, but if we are to play we have to play by their rules.

    Foreverblessed you don’t have to worry, you do a very good job in translating from your native tongue to us lazy Americans who just or may I say mostly only speak English.

    Thank you both for your concerns.

    Glenna’s cataract (eye) surgery went well though she was still seeing a little blurry last evening.
    My visit with my heart doctor went very well as well. I spent most of my time with him asking him about his health as back in June he had heart surgery performed on him. A bypass.

    I will see him and his Physician’s Assistant Amber again in 6 months.

    Of course my seeing my doctor meant that Matt got to eat out yesterday and he wanted something different than the usual Burger King. So I went to a deli there at Deep Creek Lake and got him and I steak and cheese hoagies with fries.

    He was both well fed and well pleased.

    It was a cold 26 degrees this morning and crystal clear. The leaves are past their peak of color and we are beginning to have that November look in the timber.

    Thank you both again for your concerns.

    Steve

  221. poohpity says:

    bratimus, I hope I do not offend you by giving my answer to your question about the difference in your wording and what is meant in the wording of Jesus.

    I do not see that much difference in the temptation part but I do see a difference in the recognition of who it is we are praying to. Yours only identified the location as in the holy of hollies but left off that even God’s name is Holy. Matt 6:9

    1 Cor 10:13 NLT

  222. Beloved says:

    Scripture Union had a timely message today for us all to think about

    IRON SHARPENS IRON!
    Opening Prayer
    Lord, give me faithful, genuine friends.

    Scripture Reference
    PROVERBS 27:1–17
    Read
    Warnings and Instructions
    27 Do not boast about tomorrow,
    For you do not know what a day may bring forth.
    2 Let another praise you, and not your own mouth;
    A stranger, and not your own lips.
    3 A stone is heavy and the sand weighty,
    But the provocation of a fool is heavier than both of them.
    4 Wrath is fierce and anger is a flood,
    But who can stand before jealousy?
    5 Better is open rebuke
    Than love that is concealed.
    6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
    But [a]deceitful are the kisses of an enemy.
    7 A sated [b]man [c]loathes honey,
    But to a famished [d]man any bitter thing is sweet.
    8 Like a bird that wanders from her nest,
    So is a man who wanders from his [e]home.
    9 Oil and perfume make the heart glad,
    So a [f]man’s counsel is sweet to his friend.
    10 Do not forsake your own friend or your father’s friend,
    And do not go to your brother’s house in the day of your calamity;
    Better is a neighbor who is near than a brother far away.
    11 Be wise, my son, and make my heart glad,
    That I may reply to him who reproaches me.
    12 A prudent man sees evil and hides himself,
    The [g]naive proceed and pay the penalty.
    13 Take his garment when he becomes surety for a stranger;
    And for an [h]adulterous woman hold him in pledge.
    14 He who blesses his friend with a loud voice early in the morning,
    It will be reckoned a curse to him.
    15 A constant dripping on a day of steady rain
    And a contentious woman are alike;
    16 He who would [i]restrain her [j]restrains the wind,
    And [k]grasps oil with his right hand.
    17 Iron sharpens iron,
    So one man sharpens another.

    Meditate
    Consider
    “We love him now because we see his loveliness. We adore him now because we see his majesty. We obey him now because his Holy Spirit dwells within us.” (R.C. Sproul, The Holiness of God, Tyndale House, 1985, p. 234)

    Think Further
    Friendship is one of the themes emphasized in this section. Verses 1 and 2 concern praising and boasting. The Hebrew verb hallēl is a standout word, meaning either
    ‘boast’ (1) or ‘praise’ (2). The sages warn against boasting about future accomplishments be-cause no one knows what a new day may bring (1). The future is in God’s hands (cf., Prov 16:1, 3, 9). The assessment of one’s achievements by another person has greater value than does self-praise (2). A true friend praises the other – building up others with genuine, appreciative words.

    Verses 5 and 6 advocate “tough love” in friendship, which calls for courage and honesty. Interestingly, the Hebrew words for “love” (5) and “friend” (6) share the same root (’hb) – another standout word in this passage. A true friend will not be afraid to offer or receive reproof (5a), even if it is painful and wounding (6a). These wounds are faithful and yet profitable (6a). To remain silent is to hide true love (5b). An enemy multiplies kisses; holding back from needed correction is instead a sign of deception and betrayal (6b). To offer or receive rebuke demonstrates how friends sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron (17).

    Friendship sometimes brings praise, sometimes wounds. Are we too reserved to give praise to friends in need of our encouragement? May the Spirit prompt us to give sincere appreciation when due. Likewise, are we afraid of offering reproof to friends in need of loving correction? May the Spirit grant us courage and wisdom in doing so.

    Apply
    “Friendship is one of the greatest gifts a human being can receive…Friendship makes all of life shine brightly. Blessed are those who lay down their lives for their friends.” (Henri Nouwen, “The Gift of Friendship,” Daily Meditation)

    Closing Prayer
    We know, oh God, that peaceful, smooth relationships rank high on Your list of priorities. Cause us to be sensitive to the feelings of others.

  223. poohpity says:

    bratimus, again please do not shun me or think evil of me for answering your question.

  224. poohpity says:

    You know it completely befuddles my mind how people will flatter someone who has such a low opinion of God. I know God does not need our defense when His character is impugned but when someone bases God on how human beings act, think and feel it breaks my heart.

  225. poohpity says:

    “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. 9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah sharing what God taught him and I know how many times I need to relearn that lesson especially when I question the goodness or love that God has for us.

  226. poohpity says:

    Oh Viv, I thought of you when reading the ODB devotion for today about a singing heart.

  227. foreverblessed says:

    Still it is puzzling why Jesus would teach us this line of prayer:
    “Lead us not into temptation.”
    Jesus knew that God does not tempt us.
    Why would Jesus teach us that sentence?

    All though in Luke 4
    Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
    God did not tempt Jesus, but He led Him into a place where he would be tempted.

    If Steve is asking that question he is not belittling God, he in my understanding was asking this question as I did.

  228. foreverblessed says:

    In our city, during the oecumenical prayer, we always pray our Lord’s prayer.
    And we have discussions about it. Someone was saying:
    We should pray:
    Lead us not into a test.
    As God does not tempt, so was his reasoning.
    So we prayed like that for a few months, and after having prayed like that, it felt akward, we were sure that God does test us.
    He trains us. He disciplines us.
    If He wouldn’t, we would not be his sons (or daughters).
    How can we ask Him, not to test us?

    So there J was for the first time puzzled, what we are praying for, it had never before been a problem for me.
    Maybe I was praying out of an old habit from childhood, not realizing what I was asking.

    And as Steve mentioned, God is big enough for us to ask questions.
    God could have all the questions Job asked!

  229. jeff1 says:

    Yes Pooh, songs bring so much joy to my faith both listening and singing them. Not much singing happening here atm but hoping changes in time for Christmas Carol Service.

  230. jeff1 says:

    God has answered my questions but not in my time but in His and so I must accept that He knows best when to reveal.

    I must be prepared to wait on God and that means trusting Him as I wait whatever the circumstances.

  231. foreverblessed says:

    Did some looking up into “temptation”
    The greek word is peirasmon, occurs 11 times in the NT
    Most of the time translated as temptation, but sometimes as trial

    That makes me think about what the bible project said about “Test”
    It is about the motive:
    When God tests us, if is to bring the best out of us.

    When the adversary tests us if is to get the worst out of us,
    and then it is called “temptation”

  232. street says:

    what did God get out of job in the trials he went through?
    it was difficult journey. yet he started the journey as a Righteous man and ended it as a Righteous man.

    because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”Revelation 22

  233. jeff1 says:

    1Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
    Ye soldiers of the cross;
    Lift high His royal banner,
    It must not suffer loss:
    From vict’ry unto vict’ry
    His army shall He lead,
    Till every foe is vanquished
    And Christ is Lord indeed.

    Stand up for Jesus
    Ye soldiers of the cross;
    Lift high His royal banner,
    It must not, it must not suffer loss.
    2
    Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
    The trumpet call obey;
    Forth to the mighty conflict
    In this His glorious day.
    Ye that are men, now serve Him
    Against unnumbered foes;
    Let courage rise with danger.
    And strength to strength oppose.
    3
    Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
    Stand in His strength alone;
    The arm of flesh will fail you;
    Ye dare not trust your own.
    Put on the Gospel armor,
    And, watching unto prayer,
    Where duty calls, or danger,
    Be never wanting there.
    4
    Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
    The strife will not be long:
    This day the noise of battle,
    The next the victor’s song;
    To him that overcometh
    A crown of life shall be;
    He, with the King of glory,
    Shall reign eternally.

  234. street says:

    3 “[b]Blessed are the [c]poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

    5 “Blessed are the [d]gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

    7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

    8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

    9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

    10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the [a]Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called [b]Nehushtan. 5 He trusted in the Lord, the God of Israel; so that after him there was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor among those who were before him. 6 For he clung to the Lord; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the Lord had commanded Moses.

  235. street says:

    Psalm 25:2
    O my God, in You I trust, Do not let me be ashamed; Do not let my enemies exult over me.

  236. Beloved says:

    Hebrews12
    Verse 2, “Looking unto Jesus.” Looking unto Jesus.

    You say, “Why looking unto Him?”

    Because He suffered to. Verse 3 and 4, “Consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest you be weary and faint in your minds.” You think you’ve got troubles, look at Jesus. “You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.” None of you have died for the sins of the world yet. None of you know what it is to be absolutely pure, pristine to the very core, without a possibility of defilement, and then to have poured out on you all the sins of all the ages. You don’t know anything about that. Don’t cry about your troubles; look at Jesus. He endured, and His was victory.

    Grace To You

  237. Beloved says:

    Joel 2:25 New Living Translation
    The LORD says, “I will give you back what you lost to the swarming locusts, the hopping locusts, the stripping locusts, and the cutting locusts. It was I who sent this great destroying army against you.

    He will put a song of praise in your mouth unto God and joy in your walk. Much better than anything you had before the troubles came. Oh He’s so good! His goodness and his faithfulness endures forever amen!

  238. street says:

    61 The Spirit of the Lord [a]God is upon me,
    Because the Lord has anointed me
    To bring good news to the [b]afflicted;
    He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    To proclaim liberty to captives
    And [c]freedom to prisoners;
    2
    To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord, said Jesus.

    “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

    32
    “How then will one answer the messengers of the nation?
    That the Lord has founded Zion,
    And the afflicted of His people will seek refuge in it.”

    Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help And rely on horses, And trust in chariots because they are many And in horsemen because they are very strong, But they do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor seek the Lord!

    “For I am the Lord your God, who upholds your right hand,
    Who says to you, ‘Do not fear, I will help you.’

    16
    “You will winnow them, and the wind will carry them away,
    And the storm will scatter them;
    But you will rejoice in the Lord,
    You will glory in the Holy One of Israel.

    17
    “The [a]afflicted and needy are seeking water, but there is none,
    And their tongue is parched with thirst;
    I, the Lord, will answer them Myself,
    As the God of Israel I will not forsake them.
    18
    “I will open rivers on the bare heights
    And springs in the midst of the valleys;
    I will make the wilderness a pool of water
    And the dry land fountains of water.

    Job 13:15
    “Though He slay me, I will hope in Him. Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him.

    2
    “I know that You can do all things,
    And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
    3
    ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
    Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand,
    Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.”
    4
    ‘Hear, now, and I will speak;
    I will ask You, and You instruct me.’
    5
    “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
    But now my eye sees You;
    6
    Therefore I retract,
    And I repent in dust and ashes.”

  239. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks for all the verses.
    Job was put to the test, had been given great trials.
    God allowed it.
    If you consider the great great disaster that was poured out over him, you could say:
    It is fair to ask God:
    Lead me not into “peirasmon”
    Peirasmon, the greek word for trial, test, temptation
    Either one of them.

    Just not a sin to ask God, do not test me like that, if it be your will.
    Just as Jesus prayed that prayer:
    Take this cup from me, nevertheless not my will but your will be done.

    Jesus taught them the Lord’s prayer, just a little time after His great temptation in the desert.
    He could very well have in mind: do not bring my disciples into that difficult situation, out of dear love them.

    I give here the commentary of Ellicott:

    (13) Lead us not into temptation.—The Greek word includes the two thoughts which are represented in English by “trials,” i.e., sufferings which test or try, and “temptations,” allurements on the side of pleasure which tend to lead us into evil. Of these the former is the dominant meaning in the language of the New Testament, and is that of which we must think here. (Comp. Matthew 26:41.) We are taught not to think of the temptation in which lust meets opportunity as that into which God leads us (James 1:13-14); there is therefore something that shocks us in the thought of asking Him not to lead us into it. But trials of another kind, persecution, spiritual conflicts, agony of body or of spirit, these may come to us as a test or as a discipline. Should we shrink from these? An ideal stoicism, a perfected faith, would say, “No, let us accept them, and leave the issue in our Father’s hands.”
    But those who are conscious of their weakness cannot shake off the thought that they might fail in the conflict, and the cry of that conscious weakness is therefore, “Lead us not into such trials,” even as our Lord prayed, “If it be possible, let this cup pass away from me” (Matthew 26:39). And the answer to the prayer may come either directly in actual exemption from the trial, or in “the way to escape” (1Corinthians 10:13), or in strength to bear it. It is hardly possible to read the prayer without thinking of the recent experience of “temptation” through which our Lord had passed. The memory of that trial in all its terrible aspects was still present with Him, and in His tender love for His disciples He bade them pray that they might not be led into anything so awful.

    Those who are conscious of their weakness…
    That line I want to stress,
    For them if is perfectly not a sin to ask God, please deliver us from the.
    Paul writes, pray for a way make a way out of it, when we are in trials.

  240. SFDBWV says:

    October 18, 2020
    The Wisdom Mine
    “Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?” (Job 28:20)

    In one of his monologues, the patriarch Job compares his search for spiritual understanding to human explorations for metals and precious stones. “There is a vein for the silver,” he said, “and a place for gold….Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone” (vv. 1-2).

    These all are easier to find than true wisdom. “It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire. The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold. No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies. The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold” (vv. 16-19).

    Neither have animals discovered it. “The fierce lion passed by it….it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air” (vv. 8, 21). “The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me” (v. 14).

    “But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?” (v. 12). Job is driven to ask: “Where must one go to find and mine the vein of true wisdom?”

    It is certainly “not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought” (1 Corinthians 2:6). The mine of evolutionary humanism that dominates modern education and scholarship will yield only the fool’s gold of “science falsely so called” (1 Timothy 6:20).

    Job found true wisdom only through God, and so must we, for only “God understandeth the way thereof…unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding” (Job 28:23, 28). The Lord Jesus Christ is the ever-productive mine “in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge” (Colossians 2:3). HMM

    From Days of Praise.

    Steve

  241. poohpity says:

    Faith that is not tested can not be trusted. It is easy to say you have faith in God but unless that faith is acted on it is not faith at all but only words. (Matt 15:8-9 NLT)

    Temptations come from the heart or desires of the flesh like; Matt 15:19 NLT; Mark 7:21-22

    But testing of our faith 1 Peter 1: So be truly glad. There is wonderful joy ahead, even though you must endure many trials for a little while. 7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.

  242. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for sharing that Steve!
    When I read Job 28 as a stand alone, it gives another meaning.
    Where is wisdom?
    The deep says “it is not in me”
    The sea says “it is not with me”.
    That is kind of funny!!!
    Job 28:14
    Whilst I always read it in connection to Job’s speech to his friends, in utter discouragement how they sap away his energy, so to speak:

    “How you have helped the powerless!
    How you have saved the arm that is feeble!
    What advice you offered to one without wisdom!
    And what great insight you have displayed!
    Who has helped you utter these words?
    And whose Spirit you spoke from your mouth?
    Job 26:1-4

    So I read the rest of Job 26 through to halfway 30, he is desperate about the “Wisdom” of his friends.

    If I now read Job 28, I see that he almost comes to a point where he sees that God may be testing a man, for some very good reasons, only known to God, he concludes.
    But then halfway Job 30 he starts to address to God directly:
    Job 30:20-23
    Look what You do to me, while I have lived a righteous life!
    That righteousness, to which God agrees.
    So God DOES have a great reason for doing to Job as He did, and is that the gold of Ophir?
    Then we come back to Genesis 2:10-14
    Such a mystery

  243. foreverblessed says:

    job 28:12-20
    12
    But where can wisdom be found?
    Where does understanding dwell?
    13
    No mortal comprehends its worth;
    it cannot be found in the land of the living.
    14
    The deep says, “It is not in me”;
    the sea says, “It is not with me.”
    15
    It cannot be bought with the finest gold,
    nor can its price be weighed out in silver.
    16
    It cannot be bought with the gold of Ophir,
    with precious onyx or lapis lazuli.
    17
    Neither gold nor crystal can compare with it,
    nor can it be had for jewels of gold.
    18
    Coral and jasper are not worthy of mention;
    the price of wisdom is beyond rubies.
    19
    The topaz of Cush cannot compare with it;
    it cannot be bought with pure gold.

    20
    Where then does wisdom come from?
    Where does understanding dwell?

    Song of Solomon 8:6-7
    Place me like a seal over your heart,
    like a seal on your arm;
    for love is as strong as death,
    its jealousy unyielding as the grave.
    It burns like blazing fire,
    like a mighty flame.
    7
    Many waters cannot quench love;
    rivers cannot sweep it away.
    If one were to give
    all the wealth of one’s house for love,
    it would be utterly scorne

  244. foreverblessed says:

    These two bible passages are connected!
    The girl in Song of Solomon is trying to tell something to Solomon,
    The same thing that God is trying to tell the devil, through the ordeal of Job!

    You cannot buy love,
    Love is freely given.

  245. foreverblessed says:

    In the temptation of Jesus in the desert, the devil wants to buy the love of Jesus,
    You worship me, and I will make you King of the world.
    Luke 4:1-12

    And Jesus answers with a verse out of the Bible, that it is written: that we only worship God. After another test, Jesus just walks away. ( So it is depicted in the bible project)

    Jesus stood the test.
    But it was a huge test!

    Such a test that Jesus let’s the disciples pray to God, keep us from those tests, if it is your will.

    Thanks for that bible passage Steve!
    It made some connections in the bible clear to me.
    This passage in Gen 2 also has to do with this, but that will be clear some other time.

    Wisdom is connected with Love.

  246. jeff1 says:

    Attended our Harvest Thanksgiving and to see the displays and share in the service with the companionship of others did my heart good today.

    The Rector spoke of God’s love and provision to remind us of God’s goodness and we gave thanks and praise and feeling much blessed as I returned home though we are in lockdown for at least a month our church services though less frequent are allowed.

  247. Beloved says:

    I heard Ireland is on lockdown and thought of you Viv of course. Glad you were able to attend church today!

  248. Beloved says:

    Street brought up how Job was a righteous man before and after the testing. It wasn’t until about 6 weeks after my commitment to Christ I saw all hell break loose on my life. The testing with temptations began. It’s taken me many years to recognize that Christ Himself is the reward for the years the “locusts” have taken away. Those promises to Jesus by Satan himself still resonate with us all. Thank God He kept me faithful all these years of troubles losses and regrets. He’s so big. Bigger than I can even imagine- and so good; beyond our finite understanding. May I be found faithful to the end.

  249. Beloved says:

    Forever I believe those are literal geographical places in Genesis as well as literal “gold” etc. To make anything more out of them I’m not sure is Gods intent. It could give way to many different “interpretations” as well as misleading prophecies. Just my opinion here. Take it or leave it.

  250. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Beloved. Its in the difficult times that sharing becomes so essential so I was glad to attend today.

  251. Beloved says:

    I’ve had a fever cough and dizziness the past couple days. Taking zinc, C, and D and resting. Pray please. Thank you.

  252. street says:

    10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of iHavilah, where there is gold. 12 And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is the jTigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

    thinking “A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden,” Eden is where the first man dwelt. it is also the place God dwells. we are told of a river, same as the one that flows in Revelation. starting with a garden and ending with a city Who’s Architect and Builder are God. yes there are many other Words we don’t understand yet. yet we are told to seek and follow Him Who gives on a level that is foreign to our own thinking. a grace and mercy as unyielding as sin.

    paul speaks of a grace that increases where sin is found. thinking of a sinking boat and a life giving spirit. a living sacrifice. the call of simon and the 12 in the storm with Jesus. Jesus must increase i must decrease. fear not. for if God is for us, who can be against us?

    yes those are literal places in the record of Genisis, yet our world has become so disfigured by the fall then the flood if it were not for God’s covenant with man we would have become like sodom and gomorrah. God save us from sin.

    It matters that the nations understand who God is – and that he is not the sort of God who would tolerate Israel’s disobedience. However, they also need to know that he is sovereign and is able to protect his own people. Mary Evans, Scripture Union.

    2 Remember the nation you purchased long ago,
    the people of your inheritance, whom you redeemed—
    Mount Zion, where you dwelt.
    3 Turn your steps toward these everlasting ruins,
    all this destruction the enemy has brought on the sanctuary. Psalm 74

  253. foreverblessed says:

    May God be with you Beloved.
    That bible passage of the locusts, that God will repay for all the loss we have experienced.
    Joel 2:25-27

    I too have had that scripture s inhown to me, after I had prayed to God with a sincere question to Him, what is this?
    And then He gave that verse to me.
    I was so calmed down, when I saw the spiritual meaning.
    It was health to my soul, spiritual health, (as my physical health was still not the best )
    I shared this with another christian, and she said to me, “you are reading things that are not there.”
    And then I regretted having shared that. But now, as I think about it, I pray to God about her: please be Merciful to her. Open her eyes to more of your truth.

    And that is all I have to say about Gen 2 as well.
    If you do not see the deeper truth, do not turn it down, please.
    Pray honoustly to God about it:
    “If it is time for me to know, will You reveal to me what You meant to say in that passage?”

    But if that bothers you too much, forget about it.
    And I pray for peace of mind for you, the inner peace that is like a river, flowing through parched land.

  254. Beloved says:

    No bother forever. God always reveals to me everything through His Son. I’ve learned not to fight against God or man. What can man do to me if God is for me? If you believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died, and arose from death being seated on Gods right hand all is well. Literally.

  255. Beloved says:

    Street I just read your post, it is good as usual.

    Another thought forever about sharing the deeper things of God. Be careful! Try to discern your audience first or be prepared for them to be regarded as wood hay and stubble. On here I know who thinks I’m from outer space already so just leave her to God. She’s Gods concern. You know who I’m talking about. Let patience have it’s perfect work. James

  256. Beloved says:

    them meaning interpretations

  257. Beloved says:

    Forever I know you to be a very kind and gracious person. A blessing to all who know you.

  258. Beloved says:

    Mart says the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters. But I think we can still be friends. That’s Marts hope, anyway.

  259. street says:

    Matthew 6:12
    And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

    without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

    it is finished.

  260. Beloved says:

    No filter just Truth.

  261. jeff1 says:

    1 Blest be the tie that binds
    our hearts in Christian love;
    the fellowship of kindred minds
    is like to that above.

    2 Before our Father’s throne
    we pour our ardent prayers;
    our fears, our hopes, our aims are one,
    our comforts and our cares.

    3 We share our mutual woes,
    our mutual burdens bear,
    and often for each other flows
    the sympathizing tear.

    4 When we are called to part,
    it gives us inward pain;
    but we shall still be joined in heart,
    and hope to meet again.

    5 This glorious hope revives
    our courage by the way;
    while each in expectation lives
    and waits to see the day.

    6 From sorrow, toil, and pain,
    and sin, we shall be free;
    and perfect love and friendship reign
    through all eternity.

  262. street says:

    Be careful! Try to discern your audience

    in other words love them.

    sometimes we over think it and get in the way. filters!

  263. Beloved says:

    Oh that’s good street, love them! Yes even when they disagree or worse. Thanks

  264. Beloved says:

    Over thinking, I do that all the time. I know I get in my own way often. Filter* out excess thinking. Another good idea. If only..

  265. street says:

    welcome to humanity, we are so unlovable!

    The Way, The Truth, The life, before us.

    1
    I lift up my eyes to the mountains—
    where does my help come from?
    2
    My help comes from the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.

    3
    He will not let your foot slip—
    he who watches over you will not slumber;
    4
    indeed, he who watches over Israel
    will neither slumber nor sleep.

    5
    The Lord watches over you—
    the Lord is your shade at your right hand;
    6
    the sun will not harm you by day,
    nor the moon by night.

    7
    The Lord will keep you from all harm—
    he will watch over your life;
    8
    the Lord will watch over your coming and going
    both now and forevermore. Psalm 121

    thinking flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

    yet 1 Thessalonians 5:23
    May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  266. foreverblessed says:

    The Lord Jesus Christ is the ever-productive mine “in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge” (Colossians 2:3 HMM)

    So we need not look any further, all treasures are found in Jesus.
    In Him alone.

    And then the beautiful work Jesus will do in us!
    1 These 5:23

    The sanctifying, as a river that flows through parched land. So His Spirit flows through us.

    Yesterday we had no service, churches are allowed to come together, but our church wants to be safe,
    The pastor gave us a challenge:
    Can you look who you could reach out to?
    And to pray for our government, to give them wisdom, to protect them, to pray pray pray.
    ( Our ministers are being harassed now by strange people, they think that all politicians are child molesters, I though it was only in the US, with the Qanon, but they are here now too. I must put it in perspective: if only twenty of them are here, and they come out and cry these accusations against our cabinet ministers, it is only 20 in 17 million)

    But Jesus came to earth to rescue us out of the kingdom of darkness.
    Dus to our christian ancestors, and their prayers, we have been blessed in the west, ( hey a rhyme!).

    But Jesus is Lord, and that is what we believe. No matter what happens in society.

    Jesus saved us by giving His life on the Cross, He raised and sat down at the right hand of God, (He stood up when Stephen was martyred).
    And He sent the Spirit to change a believing heart, to soften it, and purify it.

    Just a mission of faith for you all this morning!
    God is with us!

    (It’s ok Beloved, I had to see the words of the song of Jeff, stand by each other with compassion Oct 18 4.25 pm)

  267. foreverblessed says:

    My purpose is that they may be united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,

    In order that they may know the mystery of God,
    namely Christ,
    in whom are hidden all treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
    Col 2:2-3

    Oh, I see here, Beloved the wonderful love that you showed me, we disagree on Gen 2, but that is just a side note.
    We see Jesus, and Him crucified, and tussen.

    If we are unified in love we will have complete understanding

  268. foreverblessed says:

    Tussen = rissen

    Didn’t see it being changed by the auto- correct before posting.

    We see Jesus, crucified and rissen
    And having send the Holy Spirit

    (Trying to be complete in my faith statement)

  269. jeff1 says:

    1 Children of God, renounce your fears,
    Lo! Jesus for your help appears,
    And kindly speaks as He draws nigh,
    “Be not afraid, for it is I.”

    2 When in the awful tempest tost,
    You feel your strength and courage lost,
    And mighty waves roll o’er your head,
    Your Lord is near, be not afraid.

    3 When mournful tidings come from far,
    Or nations raise tumultuous war,
    And wide their devastation spread,
    Yet He is near, be not afraid.

    4 The famine, pestilence and sword,
    Are all obedient to His word;
    He, riding on the stormy sky,
    Says, “Fear ye not, for it is I.”

    5 When earthly joys are from you torn,
    Or when, with heartfelt grief you mourn,
    To see your dear relations dead,
    Yet Jesus lives, be not afraid.

    6 When fierce disease attacks your frame,
    Your Savior’s love is still the same;
    In death’s dark shade you need not fear
    For Jesus will be with you there.

    7 When stars are from their orbits hurled,
    And flames consume the guilty world,
    E’en then your judge will smiling cry,
    “Be not afraid, for it is I.”

  270. poohpity says:

    I thought tussen meant “between’ in Dutch not risen or rissen?

  271. foreverblessed says:

    That is right, Pooh,

    The point is,
    I had typed:

    We see Jesus, crucified and rissen

    But the auto-correct had changed it into:

    We see Jesus, crucified and tussen.

    And I hadn’t noticed. I did not want that word “tussen” at all

  272. street says:

    steve is right forever. no problem with connecting with what you write. even knowing you use auto correct spelling is not hard to understand very common truths that you speak of.

  273. street says:

    Revelation 22:2
    down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

    thinking of two trees in Genesis. one dead one alive. thinking of leaves of healing for the nations. the tree of life left His Word and Promises for the healing of the nations. the other left sin and death. both trees are not sedentary but very active. we are told living and active with the tree of life. both trees are watered with a spirit, One Holy and Good, the other darkness and evil that masker-aids as light. it’s very difficult to navigate through with a corrupt filter. it is just better to repent and come to God through Christ Jesus. the interesting thing about this kind of repentance is no regret, that is very interesting rest. still thinking about Romans 8 :13 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

  274. jeff1 says:

    Ever full and overflowing
    From the depths of all You are,
    Love is springing, rising, bringing
    All the riches of Your heart.
    In Your love, O Boundless Father,
    In Your love for Christ Your Son,
    In Your union we are family.
    In Your Spirit we are one.

    You are seeking all Your children.
    We the few are not enough.
    Make us, Lord, Your living message:
    You are mercy, You are love.
    In Your love, O Boundless Father,
    In Your love for Christ Your Son,
    In Your union we are family.
    In Your Spirit we are one.

    Ever full and overflowing
    Is the love we now embrace.
    In our living keep it growing
    Past all boundaries we have placed.
    In Your love, O Boundless Father,
    In Your love for Christ Your Son,
    In Your union we are family.
    In Your Spirit we are one.

  275. Beloved says:

    Romans8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    It just occurs to me that conducting life by laws although needful do not bring eternal life. However if done through the Spirit our conduct is pleasing to God. It’s not something we can “will” but the Spirit makes the spirit of man “willing”. Make sense?

  276. street says:

    Because the wisdom that comes from above has to pass through our filters, am guessing that none of us will have all the right stuff by the time we process it through our own biases and inclinations. But sure seems like a good place to start again, together :-)…

    23
    They are new every morning;
    Great is Your faithfulness.
    Lamentations 3:23

    22
    The Lord’s lovingkindnesses , that we are not consumed For His compassions never fail.

    thinking of some of the videos i have seen where predators protect the young of animals normally eaten.

  277. street says:

    beloved thinking of Matthew 5.

    spirit of the world or Holy Spirit.

    thinking of paul a changed man.

  278. foreverblessed says:

    Make sense?
    Yes, our hearts changed by the Spirit,

    And then softened, and more patient and empathetic, and long-suffering.

    Like the words of the song of Jeff, oct 19 6.44 pm

    From the depths of all You are,
    Love is springing, rising, bringing
    All the riches of Your heart.
    In Your love, O Boundless Father,
    In Your love for Christ Your Son,
    In Your union we are family.
    In Your Spirit we are one.

    That makes me think of the garden of Eden,
    “Eden” means “delight”
    God’s delight, thaf He wants to share with men.
    So from Eden there is a river flowing, in 4 directions all into the world, for all nations.

    And again the river in the New Jerusalem,
    Rev 22:1
    Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city.

    ( I repeat the verses Street gave, Street, is that why you chose the name Street?)
    I am ranting away, I am just happy that this morning Jesus again is high exalted, but gracious as always.

    (This time I proofread before posting)

  279. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve,
    Here is a bible verse that touched me this morning, before doing my household chores, (which my old self does not love) maybe it will for you as well be an encouragement:

    “…If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.”
    1 Peter 4:11

    And I pray that God will give you the power today again!

    (And a note for Bullwinkle: your comment set free a great encouragement to keep on commenting, thank God that He inspired you to write)

  280. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning dear friend Foreverblessed. I was just finishing my first cup of coffee with some peanut butter toast listening to Loreena McKennitt sing Dante’s Prayer when I looked in and seen your message.

    Yes thank you for asking for “power” as it seems some mornings it takes all I have just to do the simplest chore.

    Matt is secure in his big easy chair after some breakfast and I am about to go outside and feed the birds and other wild animals that come to my feeders.

    And have some quiet time with God.

    We have had several deep freezes with heavy frost, most of the leaves are now off of the trees, but to my “angst” I had to mow grass yesterday. I had thought that after such hard frosts that the grass would go to sleep for the winter. I was wrong.

    If the word “angst” doesn’t translate well for you, it means a troublesome frustration. Or being upset over a matter.

    Our friend Pete (Bullwinkle) was a blessing to me as well. I wonder if there is a “Rocky the Flying Squirrel” along with “Boris and Natasha” in his world.

    It is an old cartoon from the 60’s and everybody’s favorite.

    Blessing to you and your loved ones as well Foreverblessed, Matt needs my attention and I need to get to my chores.

    45 degrees f and cloudy.

    Steve

  281. jeff1 says:

    Midwinter.

    In the bleak mid-winter
    Frosty wind made moan,
    Earth stood hard as iron,
    Water like a stone;
    Snow had fallen, snow on snow,
    Snow on snow,
    In the bleak mid-winter
    Long ago.

    Our God, Heaven cannot hold Him
    Nor earth sustain;
    Heaven and earth shall flee away
    When He comes to reign:
    In the bleak mid-winter
    A stable-place sufficed
    The Lord God Almighty,
    Jesus Christ.

    Enough for Him, whom cherubim
    Worship night and day,
    A breastful of milk
    And a mangerful of hay;
    Enough for Him, whom angels
    Fall down before,
    The ox and ass and camel
    Which adore.

    Angels and archangels
    May have gathered there,
    Cherubim and seraphim
    Thronged the air,
    But only His mother
    In her maiden bliss,
    Worshipped the Beloved
    With a kiss.

    What can I give Him,
    Poor as I am?
    If I were a shepherd
    I would bring a lamb,
    If I were a wise man
    I would do my part,
    Yet what I can I give Him,
    Give my heart.

  282. bullwinkle11 says:

    I would like to thank all of you for your persistence in posting. Over the years I have been blessed each morning as I see that there are others, far more devoted to keeping the Word alive on this blog. I have no excuse for not posting more often as I retired at the end of last year.
    This fall my wife and I are touring the US, currently we are in eastern Tennessee enjoying the beauty of the fall colors. God is truly magnificent! We stopped at the Ark Encounter when we were in Kentucky last week. Amazing how God works in each of our lives, how he uses ordinary people to accomplish extraordinary things. Your posts, in some small way touch the lives of many.

  283. poohpity says:

    bullwinkle, wow a very good example “In This Moment” of wisdom from above, impartiality, which will have a very good outcome by not fueling divisions. Beautiful! Enjoy your journey across America.

  284. poohpity says:

    Forever, ODB today has a wonderful lesson to be learned from the Netherlands.

  285. bratimus says:

    I would like to mention

    That a few years back we had a Rocky posting comments, think he was from California.

    I try and remember everyone who use to post here.

    I Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  286. Beloved says:

    In step with the crazy year we’ve had already we are having a winter storm (early). I heard geese saying goodbye as they are leaving yet a stray Loon lingers on the lake. People are removing leaves in their snow clothes. Winter allergies have kicked in also. Some like the snow some not so much- depending on their filters. :-)

  287. street says:

    a return to corith pauls great love.

    9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

    10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all [a]agree and that there be no [b]divisions among you, but that you be [c]made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you.

    17 But in giving this instruction, I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For, in the first place, when you come together [a]as a church, I hear that [b]divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become [c]evident among you.

    22 On the contrary, [m]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we [n]deem less honorable, [o]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no [p]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [q]honored, all the members rejoice with it.

  288. street says:

    3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from

    [a]sexual immorality;

    idolatry.

    a false conception or notion; fallacy.

    thinking spiritual immorality

    8 For God is my witness, how I long for you all with the [a]affection of Christ Jesus. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may [b]approve the things that are excellent, in order to be sincere and blameless [c]until the day of Christ;

    praying to be able to pray this prayer in Spirit and Truth.

    thank you God for loving us so much and all those that came before us to bring us into your presents.

  289. Beloved says:

    Paul sure knew how to love

  290. Beloved says:

    Could it be because he understood, understood the mercy justice and humility of God that saved him?

  291. street says:

    fugue or feud learned new word today

    noun
    1. Music. a polyphonic composition based upon one, two, or more themes, which are enunciated by several voices or parts in turn, subjected to contrapuntal treatment, and gradually built up into a complex form having somewhat distinct divisions or stages of development and a marked climax at the end.

    2. Psychiatry. a period during which a person suffers from loss of memory, often begins a new life, and, upon recovery, remembers nothing of the amnesic phase.

    thinking of the broad st, and the narrow way.

    new life is good. forgetfulness is not good if it involves God.

    Preserve me, O God, for I take refuge in You.
    2
    [b]I said to the Lord, “You are [c]my Lord;
    I have no good besides You.”
    3
    As for the [d]saints who are in the earth,
    [e]They are the majestic ones in whom is all my delight.
    4
    The [f]sorrows of those who have [g]bartered for another god will be multiplied;
    I shall not pour out their drink offerings of blood,
    Nor will I take their names upon my lips.

    i thought it interesting that Jesus never called the scribes and the pharisees by name. He never recongonize the high priest till it was told of him who he was at His trial.

    He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’ Revelation 2:17

  292. poohpity says:

    Hey Bratimus, Rocky (Xavier) is still around on ODB. I used to talk with him by email and phone calls at one time but have not in a long time. There are a few that I still talk with on facebook that have left here.

  293. Beloved says:

    from the days of Eden, desires rooted in envy and self-centered ambition have been from below and headed for all kinds of conflict.

    So true. Listening to A.Begg this evening and he reminds us that discipleship is not a race-competition but a cross-country walk in obedience.

    Our human nature is always getting in the way, mine is. But there’s hope for me and for even [my] enemies. In Christ- alone. No competition just faith hope and especially love, I think. Happy blessed trip, Bullwinkle.

  294. Beloved says:

    WISDOM FROM OSWALD CHAMBERS

    Defenders of the faith are inclined to be bitter until they learn to walk in the light of the Lord. When you have learned to walk in the light of the Lord, bitterness and contention are impossible.
    Biblical Psychology

  295. street says:

    forever said, ” That makes me think about what the bible project said about “Test”
    It is about the motive:
    When God tests us, if is to bring the best out of us.”

    i wonder if it is to show the best of God?

    not that we should continue to sin that grace may abound, but to be still and look to God and His Glory.

    where one is forgiven much, loves much.

    the test or trial validates the value of what is tried or tested. for God does not change. made in the image of God. God is able to guard protect and uphold that He redeems.

    to be conformed to the image of His Son.

  296. SFDBWV says:

    October 21, 2020
    Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge
    “In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:3)

    Paul had just promised the twice-born that they would be endowed with the “riches of the full assurance of understanding” that would enable them to possess an acknowledgment of the triune Godhead. The ability to understand and the profound awareness of the Trinity is possible because all “the treasures of wisdom and knowledge” are in Christ—who is in us!

    In Colossians 1:9, Paul prays that they “might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,” a sufficient awareness of information that will enable them to have “understanding in all things” (2 Timothy 2:7). Jesus explained to His apostles that His parables were devices to reveal to them “the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand” (Luke 8:10).

    This wisdom and knowledge is the “treasure” of the Lord Jesus, not of the world (1 Corinthians 1:17-31), nor is it contained in the intellect of the “natural” man (1 Corinthians 2:6-16). The understanding and acknowledgment that comes through the world’s philosophy out of the reasoning of the unsaved mind is “earthly, sensual, devilish” (James 3:15).

    Thankfully, “the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy” (James 3:17). God’s work is “very good.” When the creation of our new man is executed (Ephesians 4:24), we are given the “mind of Christ”—not His omniscience but the kind of mind that can now understand spiritual matters (1 Corinthians 2:16). Truly, we have been made friends with God. Jesus said, “For all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you” (John 15:15). HMM III

    From “Days of Praise”

    Steve

  297. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Street,
    I was thinking about Jesus questioning Peter, John 21:15-19
    To show you what the bible project means about the “testing’ God does:
    Jesus persistent asking Peter, “Do you love me, more than these?”
    Oswald Chambers writes about it in Utmost, he describes it better than I can do:
    Peter is wounded by this question. Not only once, but again and again.

    But… The more and deeper Peter looked in his heart, the more he saw how much Peter loved Jesus!
    This “test” of Jesus showed to Peter how much love there was.
    So it brought out the best in Peter.

    You could say, how is it possible that there was some good in Peter?
    Doesn’t the bible say, “there is nothing good in me?”
    But, that “good” in Peter, could very well be there because of Jesus, and what Jesus had done for Peter.
    Only Peter hadn’t realised it yet.

    This questioning of Jesus, is the loving piercing action, dividing asunder all things that are in our hearts.
    Probing questions of Jesus, that show us deep inside, our deepest desires and motives.

    ( I cannot find the dates of Utmost where Chambers describes this questioning of Peter.
    But I have always found that a great teaching.)

    The burning fire of the Holy Spirit.
    Penetrating
    Hebrews 4:12-13

    Been thinking, pondering this, ruminating
    Could it be like this, could this be one of the ways of “testing” of God

  298. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, here you are posting, then it must have taken me almost an hour to write what I wrote,
    (searching long in Utmost for the probing question to Peter)
    Good morning!
    I was going to mention that
    “Angst” is a germanic word.
    For some reason it remained unchanged in English.

    Angst is a Dutch word and a German word
    Meaning: unreasonable fear.

    “Vrees” (dutch) “Furcht” (german) is a reasonable fear,
    Furcht with two dots on the u, but I cannot find it on my typing board.

    De vrees van de Heer= Fear of the Lord

  299. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks for that ODB devotion, Pooh, I didn’t know about “golden cracks”.
    But all the comments that it inspired, people telling how they were made whole by Jesus.
    Our testimonies….

  300. foreverblessed says:

    28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

    Hebrews 12:28-29

    This bible verse ties together the two things I mentioned
    The testing of God
    And the fear of God

  301. SFDBWV says:

    English is a language of many languages, much is Germanic, I suppose because of the Saxon connection as well as the many invaders the British Isles endured over time. With regards to the mixture of other languages.

    In so far as being tested by God as presented in the Bible Project; I just didn’t like presentation and there is just something in me that makes me uncomfortable thinking that God, who is all knowing, tests us already knowing the results.

    I understand and get the point you are making Foreverblessed, in that by failing the test we see where we are weak and need of healing.

    In many people after failing so many times they have a very low self-esteem of themselves and many give up. Some on faith, some on life.

    They fail to see how precious they are to God and even doubt there is a God. That by seeing how bad they are time and time again they begin to believe it and accept it.

    I would rather know that God loves me in spite of my failures then showing them to me over and over again.

    On an unrelated matter. The fellow who delivers my morning newspaper has told me he has a large mass on his right kidney and also in need of heart surgery. His daughter Stephani is now delivering the paper for him. His name is Willis, I would ask for prayer for him and his family at this dark time in their lives. He is in his late 40’s to early 50’s, I am not sure of his age.

    A clear morning at 40 degrees f.

    Steve

  302. poohpity says:

    Does failing when our faith is tested make one bad? Or does it let us know that we may not have the faith that we have bragged on? Are we learning humility and perseverance? Failing does not mean a person is a failure or bad it just means that faith has not developed into maturity YET!

    Peter denied Christ three times and Jesus took the time to three times ask him; “Do you love me” sort of a reinstatement. Did Peter fail, yes but he was not a failure Jesus even told him before Peter denied him that he would do it because Peter was boasting that if all the other disciples deserted Him Peter said he would not do such a thing but he did.

    Even great baseball players have many strike outs before they hit a home run then even after that home run they again will strike out again does that make them a failure or bad, no it just makes them human.

    God knows what we will do but do we know what we will do in any given circumstance. We can SAY we trust God but when the rubber meets the road will we actually trust God? I think the testing of our faith let’s a person know whether it is just words or real faith? God knows but often we are blinded by our own self confidence and it takes something to show if we are just fooling ourselves or do we really believe.

  303. jeff1 says:

    I have ask myself questions about decisions I made as to whether I was on God’s side or not as it was a comment my Rector made that prompt me to.

    He was wondering if God was on his side on a matter and since God has revealed to me that I was not on His side I have a greater fear of God.

    I seem to have failed the test God set for me and so on top of being fretful I find myself unable to make a decision.

    Uncertainty and weariness are my companion these days yet songs and hymns speak to me and I am reminded God is my refuge.

    1 Amidst thy wrath remember love,
    Restore thy servant, Lord;
    Nor let a Father’s chast’ning prove
    Like an avenger’s sword.

    2 Thine arrows stick within my heart,
    My flesh is sorely prest;
    Between the sorrow and the smart
    My spirit finds no rest.

    3 My sins a heavy load appear,
    And o’er my head are gone;
    Too heavy they for me to bear,
    Too hard for me t’atone.

    4 My thoughts are like a troubled sea,
    That sinks my comforts down;
    And I go mourning all the day
    Beneath my Father’s frown.

    5 Lord, I am weaken’d and dismay’d,
    None of my pow’rs are whole:
    My wounds with piercing anguish bleed,
    The anguish of my soul.

    6 All my desire to thee are known,
    Thine eye counts ev’ry tear,
    And ev’ry sigh and every groan
    Is noticed by thine ear.

    7 Thou art my God, my only hope;
    My God will hear my cry,
    My God will bear my spirit up
    When Satan bids me die.

    [8 My foes rejoice whene’er I slide,
    To see my virtue fail;
    They raise their pleasure and their pride,
    Whene’er their wiles prevail.

    9 But I’ll confess my guilty ways,
    And grieve for all my sin;
    I’ll mourn how weak the seeds of grace,
    And beg support divine.

    10 My God, forgive my follies past,
    And be for ever nigh;
    O Lord of my salvation, haste,
    Before thy servant die.

  304. SFDBWV says:

    I did not want to leave my comments there concerning testing. I haven’t much time, but want to share the fact that just after Matt’s auto accident and Rita’s discovery of cancer I kept a tablet of Bible verses I was led to and wrote down.

    It is filled with encouragements concerning the trials ahead and being in the midst of.

    There are many Bible verses that declare trouble lies ahead, we will have to endure trials of our faith, but to be encouraged that in the end all will be well.

    In trying to sort out how I feel about being tested, I guess I am seeing a difference between dealing with things that make life hard or unbearable and thinking God caused them to “test” me.

    Life will happen, but I want to believe in spite of the bad things in life there is hope. Not that God tests me to see if I am good enough. Knowing that no one is good enough, only Jesus and that because He is good enough I am forgiven for not.

    And will receive the promise because of Him, not me.

    Steve

  305. foreverblessed says:

    It is good to talk about the testing!

    Thanks for your explanations Steve, I was wondering why you had trouble with the testing

    “Not that God tests me to see if I am good enough.”

    No not at all, that is not why God is testing, IMHO

    Neither is God testing because He
    doesn’t know, according to the bible project,
    God knows already,
    But God is testing do that wee may know;

    And the questioning of Peter was exactly just going that:
    It showed to Peter that in the deepest corners of his heart he dearly loved Jesus.
    The questioning of Peter made that clear byo Peter.
    Had Jesus not asked these questions, then Peter would not have know , at that time, how much he loved Jesus.

    I found that explanation of Chambers such a revelation!
    Jesus did not ask Peter, because Jesus wasn’t sure enough if Peter was loving Him. Jesus already knew that.
    THAT to me, is such a revelation!

    At the point of the denial of Peter, there Peter saw himself that he had failed.
    Jesus did not have to tell him his failure anymore, Peter already knew.
    Here comes in the forgiveness that Peter received from the Lord.
    The eye of Jesus that cought him just after the denial:
    Eyes, full of love!

    For these failures Jesus was to hang on the Cross.
    He was bearing our sins and He died not them.
    They are gone….

    No more guilt, washed clean in the blood of Christ.

    Now Jesus had to save Peter from his own accusations:
    ” You are not good enough”

    Jesus has to free us from accusations, me being a downer on myself.

    And that is what Jesus did in the asking:
    “Peter do you love Me, more than these”

    Three times

  306. poohpity says:

    I guess I see why the saying; “Faith that is not tested is faith that can not trusted” is so relevant. God told Abraham that through his descendants from Sarah all the people of the world would be blessed, so when he took their only son, Isaac, to be a sacrifice Abraham trusted God to provide in whatever way God saw fit to make that happen. Faith tested! Abraham trusted God. So do we trust God or do we just say we do?

  307. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus died to our sins.
    They are gone.

    He was risen to Life ( sorry, not rissen, neither tussen LOL)

    And through His risen life we live, a spiritual life
    Purging us, purifying us, sanctifying as He did purify Peter.
    Lovingly.

    That to me is the testing of God.
    But maybe I do not get it all right,
    But…. God will make it clear to me, more and more.
    Just as the blazing fire of God is not to be feared,
    That is the loving purifying of our inmost motives.

    Love does away with fear.

  308. foreverblessed says:

    Ohhhhh…
    My mother called me, and told about the miraculous recovery of a lady in my old village: She had a massive brain bleeding, and was months in coma, but now she is up and going, recognising everybody!
    They are a christian couple, very dear and loved in the community, and good example of what a christian is to all around them. Unbelieving family and friends.
    A great testimony.
    Her husband remained very calm and peaceful trusting Jesus, and he shared that with all who came and visited him, when his wife was laying in coma.

    My mother and I have been praying for her, as have many others in my old village, (it is part of the bible belt), and she just gave me this news! Something to thank God for.

    Then I realised. I have not seriously taken time for the request of Steve, for his newspaper man.
    So yes, I am praying, inn the full trust that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of GOd, in control of everything, and waiting for our prayers,
    prayers that have been purified, and made like His will.

    Praise God!

    And Beloved thanks for this:
    WISDOM FROM OSWALD CHAMBERS

    Defenders of the faith are inclined to be bitter until they learn to walk in the light of the Lord. When you have learned to walk in the light of the Lord, bitterness and contention are impossible.
    Biblical Psychology

    And Bullwinkle, may God be a blessing through you, wherever you go!

  309. foreverblessed says:

    Utmost, March 1 and March 2
    About Jesus asking Peter three times: Do you love Me?

    Bratimus, I loved to read Rocky’s posts, he ofte was telling his testimonies!

  310. Beloved says:

    Good morning and thank you for praying I’m finally feeling better.

    About testing and trials I go back to what James says
    James 1:2-4
    Testing of Your Faith
    2 (A)Count it all joy, my brothers,[a] when you meet trials (B)of various kinds, 3 for you know that (C)the testing of your faith (D)produces steadfastness. 4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be (E)perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

    James 1:2 Or brothers and sisters. In New Testament usage, depending on the context, the plural Greek word adelphoi (translated “brothers”) may refer either to brothers or to brothers and sisters; also verses 16, 19
    Cross references

    James 1:2 : See Matt. 5:12
    James 1:2 : 1 Pet. 1:6
    James 1:3 : 1 Pet. 1:7
    James 1:3 : Rom. 5:3; [ch. 5:11; Heb. 10:36; 2 Pet. 1:6]
    James 1:4 : 1 Thess. 5:23; See Matt. 5:48

    Peter also talks about the testing of our faith through trials in
    1 Peter 1:7 NLT
    These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.

    “Your faith is more precious than mere gold” there’s a reference to gold, forever, I thought of you.

  311. Beloved says:

    Steve that’s a good question, does God cause bad things to happen to test us? If He were like my earthly father I would have to say yes I “deserved” all the badness that happened to me. Yet HE – my father caused it, not I, not God, because corruption came with the choice to turn from God in the garden. Yet accidents do happen all the time not by choice but by consequential actions due to inadequate knowledge or misunderstandings. Of course the Satan loves anything to do with taking our focus off our loving Heavenly Father. Testing and trials produce perseverance end endurance to meet Gods goal of perfecting us is how I’m understanding Peter and James.

    Forever I’m Thinking also of the gold scars- yet to me are but a foretaste of when we lay down our crowns at our Saviors feet. Silver and gold have I none, but such as I have giveth thee, in the name of Jesus Christ stand up and walk! There’s no cost for salvation yet it cost Him everything. I’m ambling.

  312. bratimus says:

    Okay I’m ready to comment now,

    let’s get ready to rummblllllllllled!

    The Lords prayers was Jesus Christ telling us we should pray when we do pray, it was a template how to pray when pray. Not so much to repeat it non-stop, it’s probably the most said payer in history, and probably for some the most lasy way to pray, but in saying that in times of deep trouble the most easy to remember. Remember Jesus Christ got after the disciples for sleeping in the time of prayer. So sometimes the Lords prayer is use in a lasy way.

    When I read Loird lead us “not” into temptation, iread it to say the opposite of “lead us into temptation. Like I said ‘Lead us no into temptation, I take as asking God to guide me away from a path of temptation. Some paths God does not lead us down, we take them on are very own and it is our self we have only to blame.

    As far as testing goes, there are many reasons we are tested in are walks of life, and a few are self inflicted test it is just easier to blame God then one’s self. God does allow testing to strengthen us in that remember we have someone to lighten that yoke for us in Jesus Christ. Some things come our way to get us to look away from Jesus Christ. We just need to make sure we our not asleep in the time of prayer or being lasy in our prayers.

    I know I look at the words of God in a different light then some and it is hard for some to understand what I’m trying to say, that is the time when you should probably pray!!!!

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  313. jeff1 says:

    I am thinking that when my relationship is right with God then it should be reflected in how I am with others.

    I watched love in action from a friend and college when an alcoholic came into the shop.

    He had purchased a picture and was now telling my college that he wanted to purchase all the Bellek on the shelves which was a lot and some of the pieces were for anniversaires.

    My college asked him who was he buying all this for as it might not suit his needs and steered him away from buying it.

    Her gentleness and care for him I believe is an example of God wants to see in me so that I am walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

    The more I practise being kind to others the more naturally it will come to me and I say this because I have watched my friend Ruth in the shop and see how natural her behaviour is in dealing with others.

    She is a lay preacher and leader in her church’s WI and also finds time to work in the charity shop, substitute head teacher in local school and is married with a lot of grandchildren to keep.

    After working in the charity shop I am exhausted so her resilience is amazing to me but she has been an inspiration to me and I trust and look to her for advice.

    I think it is important in a world like this one to find a person whose Godly virtues are an example to aspire to especially if you struggle as I do with self doubt and I find Ruth’s humility attracts me to her as I feel at ease in talking with her.

    Friends are such a joy as they encourage us to share and a problem shared is a problem halved.

    Nothing seems as bad when you run it by another who gets you to see it in a different light.

  314. Beloved says:

    Yes it was/Gods kindness that led/leads us to repentance. Even through a hell-fire and brimstone preacher the kindness and goodness of God turns our focus to Jesus, not ourselves or others. Someone may rebuke and condemn us a hundred times- yet Jesus is always so different. He’s that good! Praise and bless His thrice Holiness.

  315. jeff1 says:

    Make me a channel of Your peace
    Where there is hatred, let me bring Your love
    Where there is injury, Your pardon Lord
    And where there’s doubt, true faith in You

    Make me a channel of Your peace
    Where there’s despair in life, let me bring hope
    Where there is darkness, only light
    And where there’s sadness, ever joy

    Oh Master, grant that I may never seek
    So much to be consoled as to console
    To be understood as to understand
    To be loved as to love with all my soul

    Make me a channel of Your peace
    It is pardoning that we are pardoned
    In giving to all men that we receive
    And in dying that we’re born to eternal life

    Oh Master, grant that I may never seek
    So much to be consoled as to console
    To be understood as to understand
    To be loved as to love with all my soul

    Make me a channel of Your peace
    Where there’s despair in life, let me bring hope
    Where there is darkness, only light
    And where there’s sadness, ever joy

  316. SFDBWV says:

    I see a difference between trials and tests. As one comes from just the circumstances of living in a broken world, the other from someone who is testing you.

    Only God planted and placed all of creation in the world, and only God planted and placed the vegetation and trees in the Garden of Eden.

    God placed the tree of life there and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    The Bible project indicated that God placed the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there as a test, and by its simply being there Adam and Eve had a choice of either partaking of the tree of life and live in the original form of creation forever, or eating of the forbidden fruit, failing the test.

    Personally I will never believe God was blindsided by the serpent, Eve, nor Adam in the events in the Garden, never!

    This is simply how the story of the coming of Jesus the Messiah begins.

    If you believe that the trials of life are tests, then you believe when that hurricane came through and brought all that death and destruction that God was testing people.

    I don’t believe that at all.

    I do believe however that with the trials life produces our faith is tested.

    But I don’t believe that God allowed someone’s little child to have cancer so that its parent’s faith could be tested.

    I do believe however that because that little child has terminal cancer that its parents faith will be tested.

    I hope you can see the difference between trials and tests. I fear I would just continue repeating myself over and over again if not.

    Come to think of it, believe what you will, just don’t try to argue with me about how I see it.

    For me it is very clear.

    Steve

  317. Beloved says:

    I think how we respond to events is the test. Do we blame God or?

  318. Beloved says:

    Steve I’m not trying to argue with you. We may agree even, I’m just conversing. Have a great evening!

  319. plumbape says:

    Hi BTA friends,
    I kind of agree with a lot of what folks said. Not a cop out! I kindly agree to disagree with some. To many for me to be specific.
    For the ape in Indy, I’m blessed and certainly don’t deserve it. I’ve missed so wisdom with past ignorance of any knowledge of God so certainly no wisdom. was literally.
    Mother said we were Protestant, I didn’t have a clue what that meant!! Lol I do now.
    At the risk of repeating myself. And yet it was through me that habit habit became an armed enemy against me, because I had so willingly came to be what I unwillingly found myself to be.
    Saint Augustine of Hippo. Apparently in North Africa. Miss you all stay safe and humble and nice

  320. street says:

    did visit the Bible Project and saw “trial”. it was good. one of the guys at church always reminds us that advesity difficulties setback and failures are opertuneities. considering God’s Glory. sometimes i have to ask myself am my reading, understanding, these stories correctly? i have to admit when i was young i did not care of stories i had nothing to relate to them, nothing at all. looking back i have quite a bit to marvel at and thank God for sheparding and tender care.

    13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
    14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation;

  321. Beloved says:

    Jesus’ Sweet Voice

    Why do you say, O Jacob, and speak O Israel, ‘My way is hidden from the LORD, and my right is disregarded by my God?'”1 The Lord cares for everything, and the smallest creatures share in His universal providence, but His particular providence is over His saints. “The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him.”2 “Precious is their blood in his sight.”3 “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.”4 “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.”5 Let the fact that He is the Savior of all men but is specially the Savior of those who believe cheer and comfort you.

    You are His peculiar care, His royal treasure that He guards as the apple of His eye, His vineyard over which He watches day and night. “Even the hairs of your head are all numbered.”6 Let the thought of His special love to you be a spiritual painkiller, a soothing balm to your woe: “I will never leave you, nor forsake you.”7 God says that just as much to you as to any saint of old. “Fear not . . . I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.”8 We lose much consolation by the habit of reading His promises for the whole Church instead of taking them directly home for ourselves.

    Believer, grasp the divine Word with a personal, appropriating faith. Imagine that you hear Jesus say, “I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail.”9 Imagine you see Him walking on the water of your trouble, for He is there, and He is saying, “Do not fear—it is I.” These are sweet words of Christ! May the Holy Spirit make you feel them as if they were spoken to you; forget others for a while—accept the voice of Jesus as addressed to you and say, “Jesus whispers consolation; I cannot refuse it; I will sit under His shadow with great delight.”

    Morning and Evening

  322. foreverblessed says:

    That was a wonderful meditation, Beloved!
    Wonderful…

    God does more protecting than tseting us.
    If God were not there, we would have been consumed as mankind a long time ago.
    there is a Psalm on that, but I cannot find it.

    But such a good message, God is all busy for our best, for the best of the world.
    When we chose to folloew Christ, we are part of the Kingdom, and that is busy going out into the world, saving souls. (Not that my job is to save souls, my job is to look to Jesus, and the saving of souls will follow, because of the arrangements of Jesus, Who now sits at the right hand of God)

    But I go again to the above meditation:
    Accept the voice of Jjesus addressed to me, and say:
    Jesus whipers consolation; I cannot refuse it; I will sit under His shadow with great delight.

  323. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry Steve, I used the wrong word, saying that God does more protecting than testing.

    I totally agree with what you said on the sick child and its parents.

    temptations/trials/testing it is a huge subject. As Bratimus noted. And Jesus will lead us through it, as He sees fit we are ready for.

    Your example of the sick child and parents is a different kind of trials than my example, of Jesus questioning Peter.
    You see?

    But it is a good converstaion, as many do enter the dialogue.
    Thanks Plumbape, for your comment,
    that saying of Auguustine,
    makes me think of what Bratimus said,
    Jesus telling us to wath and pray so that we do not fall into temptation. Augustine had failed to do that, he had left the faith of his mother, and went his own way. Till God got hold of him anyway.
    Oh the mercies of God.

    This is all going over my head, may God give wisdom.
    And to come back to James, wisdom is first and foremost humble
    Being humble, means to me: “I do not know fully, please Lord instruct me”

    (I am not saying that any of you is not humble, I am just saying that it is good to be humble)

  324. foreverblessed says:

    The Psalm that I was looking for, that God does more protecting than trying us (to avoid the owrd of testing/trials)

    Psalm 124:1-8

    A song of ascents. Of David.

    1
    If the Lord had not been on our side—
    let Israel say—
    2
    if the Lord had not been on our side
    when people attacked us,
    3
    they would have swallowed us alive
    when their anger flared against us;
    4
    the flood would have engulfed us,
    the torrent would have swept over us,
    5
    the raging waters
    would have swept us away.

    6
    Praise be to the Lord,
    who has not let us be torn by their teeth.
    7
    We have escaped like a bird
    from the fowler’s snare;
    the snare has been broken,
    and we have escaped.
    8
    Our help is in the name of the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.

  325. jeff1 says:

    No creature that deserved redemption would need to be redeemed. -C. S. Lewis

    We are like blocks of stone from which the Sculptor carves a form. The blows of His chisel which hurt us so much are what make us perfect. -C. S. Lewis

    We do know that no person can be saved except through Christ. We do not know that only those who know Him can be saved by Him. -C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

    If God were proud He would hardly have us on such terms: but He is not proud, He stoops to conquer, He will have us even though we have shown that we prefer everything else to Him, and come to Him because there is ‘nothing better’ now to be had.
    -C. S. Lewis

  326. poohpity says:

    The testing of faith is no where near trials or temptations. If God asked you do something and you do it that is a test of faith or a test of trusting Him.

    Trails, troubles and sorrows happen because we live in a fallen world and God did tell us that life would be full of those.

    Temptation is the lure of evil to go against what God has said to do, to not trust God. Or to not believe there is a God and if we do believe the tempters tries to lead us away from our God. A tempter leads us to doubt God’s goodness and love.

  327. poohpity says:

    It is a sad day when people equate the way they think with how God thinks. People seem to look at God through their own filter which is often misguided and ignorant until they ask God for wisdom to see, hear and learn His ways but sadly again not many want to learn anything other than what they have established in their own mind to be true.

  328. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed it is I that should say “sorry” as I went a little too far yesterday in my summation.

    I think that James and perhaps Peter is talking about the “trials” we may suffer for Christ. People who may be martyred for service to Christ. Like the Swiss woman that was recently executed by her Muslim captors. Or missionaries who come up against hostile governments in their attempt to share the Gospel.

    Certainly the early Christians were tortured, tormented, ridiculed and yes killed for their service to Christ.

    Today is not all that different in some parts of the world. However here in the “western” world Christian’s are coming under fire from the mod mentality that has overtaken the “conscience” of our social world.

    These things are the “trials” I think are mentioned in James, and Peter mostly.

    The trials I speak of about life are perhaps covered as well, but dealt with on a different level. As our faith being tested, but God not putting us to the test by producing an evil in our lives so as to test us.

    Which is why I don’t like the Book of Job as the story goes God allows the devil to do whatever he wants to make Job’s life miserable just so as to prove to Satan that Job is a just man.

    Be blessed my friend and forgive me if I have offended you in any way.

    Steve

  329. foreverblessed says:

    It is quite allright Steve!
    I think it good to be able to discuss.
    When searching for the “probing questions” Jesus asked Peter in the Utmost, I came accross a lot of websites that help people to converse with each other, spouses, teamwork:
    Asking each other probing questions-
    ask to get to know better what the other person is trying to say.

    It was not at all clear to me what you were saying.
    I still have a question for you:
    You are so adament that God does not put evil in our way to test us.
    Which I tend to believe is true. (but as you say,what to say of Job, indeed, there is more for us than we may know)

    But what you have said often is this:
    God created good and evil.
    God is the Creator of evil, what do you mean by that?

    To get you going: To me it is this: When God created what was good, then the consequence is this: The absence of good is evil,
    Just as when God created Light, the abscence of Light is darkness.

    Now that you say, that God does not put evil in our path, then I must have misunderstood what you wrote about God and creating evil.

  330. SFDBWV says:

    Isaiah 45:7 KJV “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and *create* evil: I the Lord do all these things.”

    1 Samuel 16:14-15 KJV “But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.” “…when the evil spirit from God is upon thee…”

    John 1:3 KJV “All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.”

    I can go on and on with this, but the point is that it is not me that says God created evil, it is the written Word of God that says so.

    Both directly and indirectly all throughout Scripture.

    When God killed of every air breathing creature in all the world saving only those in the Ark He clearly said He is responsible for doing this.

    It is my opinion that God created evil and uses it for His purposes, because the Bible says so.

    The question may be then is all evil from God or allowed by God? I hope not, however we ask God to keep evil from us. So it must certainly be under His control.

    If we now professing Jesus as Lord are covered by the blood of Christ, why would God purposely place evil choices in our path to continue “testing” us?

    Why would He not keep evil from us as we ask and as Jesus ask of Him as well?

    No doubt that great troubles and calamities could bring a person to their knees and return them humbly to God the Father for rescue. And very possibly either God put such evil in their path or allowed it.

    But once we surrender why would tests continue? To help us grow?

    We should grow because of our relationship with God by way of the Holy Spirit, not through more calamity, suffering and evil things occurring in our lives.

    Once again, if we suffer because we profess Christ, that is one thing, but it doesn’t make sense that God needs to continue to place evil in our walk with God once we have been given forgiveness and salvation and accepted it.

    I think I have answered your question, if not I will have to sort it out in myself more in order to explain it.

    Steve

  331. bratimus says:

    Steve posted this,

    “Which is why I don’t like the Book of Job as the story goes God allows the devil to do whatever he wants to make Job’s life miserable just so as to prove to Satan that Job is a just man.”

    I understand that, when I read Job and to be honest I don’t read Job much or don’t look to the Book of Job for to many answers, I tend to head to the Gospels and other books of the Bible.

    Here is how I see the Book of Job, it is there to show us what Christ Jesus does for us and why we need Christ Jesus.

    Now when the evil one tries to do the same thing to another there is The Glorified Christ Jesus saying “I already went through that for them, so back off.”

    I’m also thinking after the glorification of Christ Jesus, that the evil one might have trouble being in the presence of God, and there is just more temptation out there, and not so much what Job went through, maybe for the unbelievers there will Job moments, this is just my thought and it might not be written in stone.

    This is what annoys me a little, when struggles or burdens come people will point to Job over the Gospel, and that always make me question the person and think what have you done and what are you trying to cover up by throwing Job out there and not pointing to the Gospels of Christ, Just saying!!!!

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

  332. Beloved says:

    This thread brings to mind the question of why Jesus had to learn obedience? One commentator says:
    The Perfect High Priest

    1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4And no man takes this honor to himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said to him, You are my Son, to day have I begotten you. 6As he said also in another place, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears to him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

    8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

    9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation to all them that obey him; 10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

  333. bratimus says:

    I’m going to write this to not offend or to start a conflict, it is just my thought, and everyone has a right to their thought in the hopes it doesn’t offend or start a conflict.

    I won’t say that God created evil, God did create what became evil.

    As God allows man to be tested, one might assume that God tested the angels, and that the creation of Humans was that test. Humans are lower then the angels, but we are loved by God. Angels were given more of Gods power and unlike humans angels can stand before God due to the power of God that was given to them. I of the mind that evil manifested do to the perversion of God’s power in a certain thing. This is all way above my pay grade, and in speaking of these things one need to be very careful in what is said,. Wouldn’t want to acciddently start a new cult.

    look to humans when they are given certain power, and how some end up perverting the power they are given and this is man leveled power and a good example of perverting of the power look at the United States Congress house and how they perverted the power they where given.

    So in the heavenly realm the same sort of thing might have happened.

    Like i said this way above my pay grade so to speak, I’m going to stick with the Earthly realm for now and try and spread the Gospel of Christ to the ends of the Earth in the proper light, and a lot of that will be done through Christ and the power of Christ because WE were made for Him Through Him!!!!

    In Christ Jesus name

    Bratimus

    Remember way above my pay grade and it is just a thought, and we might want to wait until we are before God and if God reveals this to us or not. I’m going to stick with Christ Jesus more so then wondering about how evil came to be!!!!

  334. Beloved says:

    Bratimus the most helpful friends I’ve ever had are those who point me to Jesus. Thank you for being one of those.

  335. Beloved says:

    It seems to me the best anyone can do when confronted by a sufferer is to point them to Jesus. He’s The One who understands suffering and knows the “why” of it. He is still alive!

  336. street says:

    job jerimiah Jesus. what do they have in common. suffering and inoccent. job and jerimiah believed God and it was credited as righteousness, Jesus is God. they all suffered in common, the will of God. preist.

    jobs “friends” acussed him of hidden sin in their deffence of God’s integity. their defence ignored God’s Soverignty over evil. God created every being that sins. we are told not to judge before the time, the why of circumstance and the condemnation of such circumstance. God has encourages us to be dressed and ready, for His return of coarse, but also loving kindness , justice, and faithfulness. God delights in theses. imposible for man but not with God. in God we trust in the One He sent.

  337. street says:

    A lion has roared! Who will not fear?
    The Lord [j]God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?

    Amos 3:8

  338. jeff1 says:

    I may not know how evil came to be but I only have to look at my own human nature to see why it continues.

    It seems to me we are all good at passing the buck but that’s just an observation coming from someone who has lived a lifetime in a religious country that believed tit for tat or an eye for an eye was/is the way to solve conflict.

    I have been on this earth too long and see that when men say they want to do God’s will what they really mean is as long as it agrees with theirs.

    They just can’t help themselves comes from wanting to control and own and God Ways doesn’t come into it.

    .

  339. Beloved says:

    There’s those filters again mart was talking about. Yet, All have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. But, the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. All praise and glory belongs to Him, in spite of and because of the god of this world, the Satan.

  340. street says:

    believed tit for tat or an eye for an eye was/is the way to solve conflict.

    justice demands that transgression be atoned for.

    the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.

    can that which is broken mend it’s self? can you add one second to your life?

    Jesus put an end to eye for an eye. you ask how? by taking the penalty of transgression/sin for us. we understand by the resurection the payment was acceptable. in this we still need help in this broken and pardoned state. a New Spirit, The Holy Spirit sent by Jesus. The Spirit convicts the world of sin and testifies of Jesus. you will be My witness.

    receive the gift of God or parrish. hold on to it, the faith you have been given. a life giving Spirit. restored relastionship. held togather by Jesus.

    thinking a lot about the talents that were entrust to His servants. God is into multiplication of forgiveness mercy grace kindness goodness love peace.

    thinking i did not put holyness there. thinking the only place Holy is in the presents of God. yet He fills the earth/present everywhere. given righteousness as a covering, cleased by the blood of the Lamb, given a new Spirit. a Spirit to sit stand and walk with. can two walk togather unless they are in agrememnt/trust?

    the invitation to come to Him daily.

    Enoch walked with God. you can to. what is holding you back?

  341. street says:

    by taking the penalty of transgression/sin for us.

    yet for many who have rejected God, there is a governing authority to deal with lawlessness in a most ungodly way, government and politics.
    God gave the sword to government in their rejection of Him to keep them in check. even jerimiah cringed at the thought of babylon correcting judah.

    you shall submit to governing authorities.

    thinking has man ever did anything right.
    can anything good come out of nazareth?

    apart from Jesus you can do nothing.
    thinking of joseph in egypt not a foot or a hand will move apart from joseph

    the righteous shall live by faith.

    when moses stood in pharaohs court, incredible.

  342. jeff1 says:

    It is the anger of man we see at work in this world i.e. men hand down their grudges or their evil ways to their offspring and history keeps repeating itself.

    Then we ask why is their evil when it is evident that it is the ways of men. Now I know that is not all men but it is enough to keep strife and ugliness in the world so let us not blame God when the evidence is their to the contrary.

  343. Beloved says:

    You are so right about that Viv. There is only one way out of the blame/shame game and that is for those who know Christ is their Savior from the world system of sin leading to death. There have always been troubles since the first murder recorded-Cain and Abel. Nothing new under the sun a Wise man said. Jesus said to pray forgive and bless our (Christ followers) enemies. That’s the only way to bring about change on earth.

  344. jeff1 says:

    Here, I see a change in the younger generation and have hope that their attitudes will take us away from the hatred and bigotry of the past.

    They are better educated and see things very differently and so maybe they are the generation God will use to take us away from the dark ages and into the light years.

    Yes, Beloved, we have to keep praying and hoping even if it seems like we take one step forward and two backwards the onus is on us not to give up as Christ doesn’t give up on us.

  345. street says:

    Here, I see a change in the younger generation and have hope that their attitudes will take us away from the hatred and bigotry of the past.

    Jeremiah 44:12
    And I will take away the remnant of Judah who have set their mind on entering the land of Egypt to reside there, and they will all meet their end in the land of Egypt; they will fall by the sword and meet their end by famine. Both small and great will die by the sword and famine; and they will become a curse, an object of horror, an imprecation and a reproach.

    Malachi 4:5-6
    5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 He will [a]restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a [b]curse.”

    thinking of the responsibility passing on the truth to the next generation, so difficult.

    job interceded for his three friends because God told him to.

  346. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    October 22, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Jesus said to pray forgive and bless our (Christ followers) enemies. That’s the only way to bring about change on earth.

    Lets make this more personal and see how difficult it is to pray for our enemies.

    I am not talking about my fall-out with the neighbour next door whose music is so loud that I cannot get to sleep or the work college who insists on eating my lunch from the fridge because they can’t be bothered to bring their own.

    I am talking what affects us all in the modern world and it was what my mother considered to be the worst kind of conflict as it can turn brother against brother and father against son.

    Freedom fighters to one person or terrorists to another depending on how this world has treated you up to now and who you blame for it.

    I think back here to when my husband and I were together and he came home having been at the scene of the Omagh bomb where 29 people lost their lives.

    Afterwards he suffered depression and it took time to reveal that part of his suffering came from the fact that he could not attend a young boy whose foot had been blown of as he did not have the stomach for it.

    He told me of how the man he was with was a military man and he told him to go home as he could see to the boy but he carried the guilt of being of no use at a time when he felt he should have been.

    Until you see the devastation of what people do in the name of freedom then it is easy to pray for your enemies but after that I ask you to put your hand on your heart and tell me you love your enemies because I struggle daily to love mine and feel the guilt of not being able to do so because Christ forgives mine.

    C. S. Lewis said if he wanted something to make him happy he wouldn’t choose Christianity and now I know why he said that because I cannot put my hand on my heart and say it makes me happy.

  347. poohpity says:

    The faith of Job:

    “”Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD. In all this, Job did not sin or charge God with wrongdoing.”

    “Then Job’s wife said to him, “Do you still retain your integrity? Curse God and die!” “You speak as a foolish woman speaks,” he told her. “Should we accept from God only good and not adversity?” In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.”

    Solomon’s faith filter: Enjoy prosperity while you can, but when hard times strike, realize that both come from God. Remember that nothing is certain in this life.

    It seems that God gave both the angels and humans free will. Some angels decided they wanted to take God’s place hence the fall of Satan and it seems his purpose is to get people to question God and turn away. One either believes what God says and warns us about or they make the choice to listen to the lies and deceit of the enemy.

    “Darkness, the truest darkness, is not the absence of light. It is the conviction that the light will never return. But the light always returns, to show us things familiar. Home, family, and things entirely new, or long overlooked. It shows us new possibilities and challenges us to pursue them.” All one has to do is look up to God.

  348. poohpity says:

    This conversation is similar to the devotion in ODB today.

  349. foreverblessed says:

    Indeed, very good conversation on ODB, the same more a less that we have here:
    Mart is saying: see the whole picture!
    Not only that calamity part, the drowning of Pharaoh, the flood:

    The whole picture is that God was willing to give His Son as a ransom to redeem us.

    God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son…

    I agree with Bratimus that we be careful what to say about God.

  350. foreverblessed says:

    Rocky is giving a comment there,
    To pray to God for mercy for our enemies….
    Instead of asking God to drown them.
    I see what he means.
    If is the same prayer Jesus taught us:
    Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

    Jeff, it is a whole process, of letting go and letting God.
    I saw a documentary about the IRA having done some killing, even in the Netherlands during the eighties. There are UK soldiers stationed in Germany, just accross the border at Roermond and Sittard.
    There in one of these cities, a car with an English number plate, was fired at, two men killed, their wives survived. But they happened to be Australian tourists, that had rented an English car. The IRA terrorists were caught, when they were hiding their arms in a shed in rural area.
    But there was not enough evidence that they had shot the guns.
    So the terrorists go free ( in the earthly realm).
    The program was about the chance that all these things will be repeated when the border in Ireland will return.

    I will be praying for your country 😊
    May God be with you, may He help you to lag the load of your heart on the altar, at the feet of Jesus, and leave them there.

    “It is Mine to avenge”

    Jesus has died for all, for the opressed And for the opressor!

    Rocky was saying, pray that your enemy may come to his senses, and fall on his knees at the feet of Jesus. Just as Saul was struck in heart ❤️

  351. Beloved says:

    You are so right Viv, some atrocities are humanly impossible to forget or forgive. Gods word says we can forgive though because Jesus forgave us. It’s our choice I guess. What’s your choice? Just wondering.

  352. Beloved says:

    Jesus, help me to forgive for your names sake, amen.

  353. Beloved says:

    My Utmost very good today.

  354. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I wonder about the young boy who lost his foot and did he grow up to be an angry young man as well because it seems to me that its a cycle and it was going on before I was born and I think it is easy to say forgive but I have had much less offences to forgive so it isn’t for me to say.

    I think it takes a better person than I to forgive atrocities and agree with Lewis when he says:

    We all agree that forgiveness is a beautiful idea until we have to practice it.

  355. street says:

    57 “Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?

    thinking about darkness and evil in others and offensives that happen daily. there is no agreement between darkness and light. Jesus wished that fire had already been kindled on the earth.

    Luke 12:49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

    but instead from now on division.

    later Jesus prayed for unity. as i think of that as future? if we are reconciled with our adversary then there will be peace.

    not in this world?

    to be ready in season and out of season, “nice shot!” or a restoring Spirit of refreshment. a cup of cold water in a desert.

    It is not that Jesus has deliberately come to divide and to set people against each other, but rather that because of his message they become divided in their loyalties for and against him. In retrospect this is understood as an inevitable consequence of an overall unwillingness to receive him. It is not intended, but neither is it unforeseen. People are divided about the truth, but this should not dissuade disciples from graciously holding fast to that truth even if, as with Jesus, it involves a price. Belief in Christ some-times comes between people: Jews, Christians, and Muslims for instance. But is that his fault? Pursuing truth and peace at the same time can prove to be uncomfortable, but we should not be discouraged from attempting it.scripture union

    one of the toughest place you will be in is hearing people speak about or preach the Word of God. you have to decide discern what was said and was it said correctly/ even harder do i know and understand what was said. The Spirit of Truth is always available. come to Me,Jesus said.

    thinking about Jesus when He judges. He doesn’t use His physical eyes and ears to do this.

    But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

    30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge [a]the world in righteousness [b]through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men [c]by raising Him from the dead.”

  356. Beloved says:

    No, forgiving isn’t easy-peasy pie in the sky. It’s costly- like grace.

  357. Beloved says:

    John 14:1 ESV

    “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me.

  358. poohpity says:

    Wisdom from the Lord

    5 This is what the Lord says:
    “Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans,
    who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the Lord.

    6 They are like stunted shrubs in the desert, with no hope for the future. They will live in the barren wilderness, in an uninhabited salty land.

    7 “But blessed are those who trust in the Lord
    and have made the Lord their hope and confidence.

    8 They are like trees planted along a riverbank,
    with roots that reach deep into the water.
    Such trees are not bothered by the heat
    or worried by long months of drought.
    Their leaves stay green, and they never stop producing fruit.”

  359. bullwinkle11 says:

    Street stated: It is not that Jesus has deliberately come to divide and to set people against each other, but rather that because of his message they become divided in their loyalties for and against him.

    I am requesting prayer. As I stated earlier, my wife and I are traveling across America. Currently we are meeting with a group of RV enthusiasts. (That’s how we roll) This is the first time we have met with this group. I have been asked to deliver the devotion at an “ecumenical” service tomorrow morning. My intention is to present the Gospel. Please pray that those hearing the message will not be offended and will receive the message of grace through faith.

  360. jeff1 says:

    1 There is wisdom that gold cannot buy,
    Nor may silver be weighed for its price;
    Nor will onyx and ruby, or crystal and pearl,
    Precious jewels or coral suffice.

    Refrain:
    Where shall wisdom be found?
    And the place of understanding, who can know?
    Behold! the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
    And to depart from evil is understanding.

    2 Thro’ the land of the living we search,
    And we sound in the depths of the sea;
    But the breadth and the depth ne’er respond to our quest,
    Where the secret of wisdom may be. [Refrain]

    3 And we ask of the birds of the air,
    Of the wind, and the lightning on high;
    But the rumor and fame and the mention thereof,
    Only flash from the clouds of the sky. [Refrain]

    4 In the fear of the Lord it is found,
    In departing from evil and sin;
    In receiving the Saviour, the Wisdom of God,
    Doth the way into wisdom begin. [Refrain

  361. SFDBWV says:

    Prayers for you Pete, let the Holy Spirit have His way.

    Steve

  362. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, yes, I will pray!
    Our Father in heaven:
    Remember the oecomenical gathering tomorrow morning!
    Be there with Your Spirit, open hearts for the Word of the Gospel!
    Thank You so much for your Working, Your miracle of opening the eyes of the heart ❤️ to see Who Jesus is.
    Block the work of the adversary.
    May all see You!
    In Jesus’ Name we pray!

  363. bubbles says:

    Pete, that’s wonderful! Praying for the meeting tomorrow. Would you share in which state you are in currently?

    After reading the discussion here yesterday, I thought about what the Europeans did to the Native Americans who were here first. They are beautiful and it greatly troubles me with how they have been treated and how it affects them even now. There used to be someone here who lived in Canada.

  364. Beloved says:

    Please pray for my Mormon friend. Against my will I met with her today as God said go and share. She has a lot of problems (she is a hoarder with mental illness) so helped her through her current concerns then found an opening to tell her how knowing Jesus has made all the difference in my life of troubles and a mental illness. She said to my surprise “oh, the atonement”. She’s a knowledgeable person religiously speaking. I told her Jesus said to share with her. I shared how my troubles with the church were overcome when I not only trusted Him for my salvation but quit relying on others for my peace and safety. She was thankful I’d shared.

  365. street says:

    dear beloved, when you mention your morman friend i remembered what i heard awhile ago. that mormans put an emphasis on the material world. famine will do that to anybody. yet we are reminded we can not take any of it with us and it will burn. we are encouraged not to build bigger barns but to be rich towards God. i is always good to remind each other of God’s Great mercy in Christ Jesus. i pray God gives you strength and compassion with your friend . may your love joy and peace patience kindness goodness gentelness faithfulness be Spirit controlled unto a fruitful harvest. freedom from condemnation inChrist Jesus. in my thoughts and prayers. street

  366. jeff1 says:

    Refrain:
    God is great, and God is good
    Beyond what we have understood.
    The Hand that gives the sparrow food
    Is always in control and always good.

    When the enemy is mighty and
    when mountains block the way,
    when my life is filled with shadows
    and with fears I cannot name,
    though His steps are like the thunder,
    He is tender with my pain.
    Sometimes He sends a storm of love,
    sometimes a gentle rain.

    Far beyond imagination,
    far above all I can see,
    He is grand beyond all measure,
    filling all eternity.
    In my smallness and my weakness,
    in my fearfulness and pain,
    I’ll praise Him in the darkness
    till the light returns again.

  367. Beloved says:

    Thank you so much for your encouragement street. I am the most wretched of converts yet the joy of knowing my LORD Jesus is my strength! He helps me overcome my laziness and apathy- which I must confess often.

    I’ve learned to pray our LORDS prayer for the whole building before I sleep and love hearing people say they slept well. I give God the glory as good sleep is so healing for mind and body.

  368. Beloved says:

    I know all things are temporary yet too much discouragement from life and ageing in general doesn’t always cause people to look to Christ for help and hope. But a joyful countenance who can refuse!

  369. bullwinkle11 says:

    Thank you all for your prayers.
    Bubbles, we are still in eastern Tennessee. Meeting with this group was our final destination. We will leave tomorrow morning and work our way through Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. We will spend the winter in Texas.

  370. poohpity says:

    I guess I am confused does God tell us one thing in scripture then another when we think He is telling us something to do that is against that scripture? (2 John 1:7-10)

  371. Beloved says:

    Lol I started to write in response to the 8:47am post then recognized it was a waste of my words. 🤣

  372. Beloved says:

    Oh I am sorry that was a terrible thing to say but I did pray God would give understanding. Sorry again for letting my flesh out here. Ugh

  373. street says:

    “When you accept … that God is in control of [hard seasons], you will discover a sense of divine refuge, because hope then is in God and not yourself.” (Charles R. Swindoll, “Think Theologically not Logically,” online article, 2009)

  374. Beloved says:

    Testings will come but the word of the LORD stands forever! I must confess I get so irritated when tested. I will not bless but rebuke the tester as the messenger of evil that it is. In this house (blog), the owner has chosen to allow free speech so what to do but step away for a little while to recoup.

  375. Beloved says:

    Yes, God IS in control. So comforting.

  376. Beloved says:

    He Will Hold Me Fast
    Song by Keith Getty
    When I fear my faith will fail, Christ will hold me fast;
    When the tempter would prevail, He will hold me fast.
    I could never keep my hold through life’s fearful path;
    For my love is often cold; He must hold me fast.

    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast.

    Those He saves are His delight, Christ will hold me fast;
    Precious in his holy sight, He will hold me fast.
    He’ll not let my soul be lost; His promises shall last;
    Bought by Him at such a cost, He will hold me fast.
    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast.
    For my life He bled and died, Christ will hold me fast;
    Justice has been satisfied; He will hold me fast.
    Raised with Him to endless life, He will hold me fast
    ‘Till our faith is turned to sight, When He comes at last!
    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast.

  377. Beloved says:

    Just to clarify for piece of mind in case any are worried for me, I do not meet with people in my home but in a public area- just like when I was working with the same people as I now live among. My intervention with the Mormon friend may have saved her from some life- threatening circumstances she is involved in as she has no sense of personal boundaries. God is the One that is keeping her alive and so I do as I am told- to share Jesus with any and all He brings my way. The great commission. She was very thankful that I was brutally honest with her about her choices and we discussed other ways to get her needs met- which are all bound up in her neediness and hoarding problem. Oh she needs Jesus!! We, the least of these, need Him. Pray she will stop searching for things and that when she does pray to as she says, “Heavenly Father”, that Jesus will reveal Himself through the spirit of Truth.

  378. jeff1 says:

    So many gifts
    Pour down unnoticed,
    Wonders unseen,
    Whispers unheard,
    All from the heart of our Father unchanging.
    Trust Him and see
    All that can be
    Here in His perfect love.

    Father and Lord,
    Love never sleeping,
    Love ever wise,
    Patient and strong,
    Love here and now, ever dying and rising,
    Father above,
    Fullness of love,
    Father, I rest in You.

    Held by Your love,
    I face the darkness,
    Turning from fear,
    Walking by faith.
    Here in this life every joy is a promise:
    All now begun
    Soon will be done,
    Heaven complete in You.

  379. Beloved says:

    ◄ 2 Corinthians 4:7 ►

    But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us.

  380. street says:

    thinking of the Power and the Glory of Faith.
    Forgiven and Loved by God. The Eternal Unchanging LORD.

  381. street says:

    thinking of the the woman at simone’s house.

  382. Beloved says:

    We Will Wait In Prayer Tomight

    Ruth 2:3So she set out and went and gleaned in the field after the reapers, and she happened to come to the part of the field belonging to Boaz, who was of the clan of Elimelech.

    She happened to come. Yes, it seemed nothing but an accident, but it was divinely ruled over! Ruth had gone out with her mother-in-law’s blessing, under the care of her mother-in-law’s God, to humble but honorable work, and the providence of God was guiding her every step. Little did she know that among the sheaves she would find a husband, that he would make her the joint owner of all those broad acres, and that she, a poor foreigner, would become one of the ancestors of the great Messiah. God is very good to those who trust in Him and often surprises them with unexpected blessings. Little do we know what may happen to us tomorrow, but this sweet fact may cheer us—that no good thing will be withheld. Chance is banished from the faith of Christians, for they see the hand of God in everything. The trivial events of today or tomorrow may involve consequences of the highest importance. O Lord, deal as graciously with Your servants now as You did with Ruth.

    How blessed would it be if, in wandering in the field of meditation tonight, we should happen to find ourselves in the place where the Lord Jesus will reveal Himself to us!

    Morning and Evening

  383. SFDBWV says:

    Pete, I hope your event went off well yesterday for you. I also hope that your trip west home to Texas is uneventful and enjoyable.

    Back in 1935 my dad’s uncle Ted came back here from Eureka California and gathered up my dad my Uncle Fred and some other men from here in town and they drove back to Eureka in his model t Ford.

    Quite an adventure, I have some pictures as they took route route 50 to California then up the coast.

    Be blessed

    Steve

  384. poohpity says:

    Yes it does seem to be an adventure in faith when we do what God has asked us to do as in following His will and ways for us unless most often we are tempted to follow our own will and ways then, then it seems calamity is close behind. God’s guidance is there for a purpose to help us live an abundant life not to be held captive to the world/flesh. Making the choice to live by the King of Kings or the way of Burger King, I had it my way.

  385. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you all for sharing the prayer load!
    It is a good way of learning to trust Jesus, that when I pray, for other people’s soul, that He is powerful, almighty, and all wise, He knows what to do, and when to do it.
    The example of Saul is so encouraging. God found a way to his heart, and showed Him Jesus to Him.
    The light of our Life.

    I pray that God will do that to the Mormon woman!
    And for the people Bullwinkle met in Tennessee.

    I also find the devotions of Utmost very encouraging, It is God who has chosen us, and we follow His directions, We are committed to a Person, Jesus, not to a cause.
    That is so hard to learn, when the tasks of the day seem overwhelming, or the needs of the people are overwhelming! That with a quiet trust we have our eyes fixed on Jesus, and trusting in the strenght that He gives. Adn doing the daily chores as good as we can, and leave the rest to Jesus, saying: Jesus You can provide for all that we are failing.

    It is in faith we follow Him.
    To a person like me, who was a christian from a young age, follwoing the commands of God, ans asking for the Holy Spirit to help me, then I was in control myself, still. But surrendering to Jesus, totally, in spirit soul and body, or in other words: mind and heart, that is a deeper thing!
    Step in the boat with Jesus, and sail with Him.

    Jesus came to free us from the slavery of the darkness, and I pray that Jesus will free that Mormon woman! Like that He freed Mary Magdalene!
    But not only to free us, but to give us His Spirit Life, by which we can live and breath and have our being.

    May God richly live in us again today, through His Son Jesus Christ.

  386. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “I have come to call NOT those who THINK they are righteous, but those who KNOW they are sinners.”

    Saints are only sinners who know they are sinners and confess their sin so they understand the breathe of God’s grace.

  387. jeff1 says:

    It is not about being righteous but about doing right in the circumstances I find myself.

    As the believer the onus is on me to rise above the circumstances i.e. prayer rather than condemnation of my enemies.

    That is what pleases God to see I am practising what I believe and allowing Christ to change others hearts as He is mine.

    Its not about looking at what others are doing but focusing on what Christ requires of me, do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with God.

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