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For the Greater Good

“So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Jesus

It is for your good that I am going away.” (John 16:7)

After three years, Jesus’ friends had gotten used to surprise. But hearing their Teacher say it was time for him to leave didn’t make sense.

So he went on to assure them that the Friend he would send “Will take you by the hand and guide you… He won’t draw attention to himself, but will make sense out of what is about to happen and, indeed, out of all that I have done and said.” The Message.

But why did Jesus have to leave—after the kind of welcome he had gotten from the crowds of Jerusalem— after raising such hopes— after making enemies of Jerusalem’s religious leaders— after they had just given him three years away from their homes, family, and business!?

As The Expositor’s Bible Commentary explains, “The universal presence of the Holy [Spirit] in the Church, is better than the visible bodily presence of Christ with the Church.”

It would have been extremely difficult for the disciples to grasp that the departure of Jesus from their midst would usher in a time during which his “replacement” would serve God’s purposes more effectively.

The truth is more readily seen when we compare the weakness of the disciples just before the crucifixion (“everyone deserted him and fled,” Mk 14:50) with their boldness after the Holy Spirit had come upon them (“the apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name,” Ac 5:41).

Throughout history, the church has surged ahead whenever it has recognized the appropriate role and mission of the Spirit in the task of world evangelism. Too often we are immobilized by the absence of the Son rather than invigorated by the presence of the Spirit.” End of Quote


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303 Responses to “For the Greater Good”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    The question I have pondered long ago as why Jesus said unless He leave the Holy Spirit can’t come.

    Equally long ago I dismissed the question for the mystery of the Trinity and just accepted what Jesus said as enough.

    I also learned as far back that during the “Great Tribulation” the Holy Spirit has been removed from the earth. Which is why I believe in the “Rapture” of the Church before the tribulation period of 7 years begin.

    The concept also makes me wonder once Jesus returns as King along with His Church to rule and reign; what part then will the Holy Spirit play. Will the Church still be infused with His Spirit even though He is present in the world?

    Snowy day.


  2. jeff1 says:

    When I Must Leave You

    When I must leave you for a little while,
    Please do not grieve and shed wild tears
    And hug your sorrow to you through the years,
    But start out bravely with a gallant smile;
    And for my sake and in my name
    Live on an do all things the same,
    Feed not your loneliness on empty days,
    But fill each waking hour in useful ways,
    Reach out your hand in comfort and in cheer
    And I in turn will comfort you and hold you near;
    And never, never be afraid to die,
    For I am waiting for you in the sky!

  3. Beloved says:

    That last paragraph is fascinating Mart. I need to think on it more.

  4. street says:

    The question I have pondered long ago as why Jesus said unless He leave the Holy Spirit can’t come.

    i think this comes from the idea of division. the world separated from God by sin. Jesus entering the darkness, light of the world, to call out a people for Himself from the the land/valley of dry bones.

    we know God is One, no division at all. yet They Are Three and divide up the work of redemption. paul mention Jesus equal to God, became subordinate to God in all things.

    thinking further. at the baptism of Jesus we see all three Persons of the Trinity being revealed in one place at one time. Father Son and Holy Spirit. all three were in on what was going on. no division.

    the Holy Spirit did come on people in the Old Testament but did not stay. it came on people to accomplish God’s will to move people and history towards God’s will/plan.

    Thinking God wanted a permanent relationship with man that is perfect. therefor Jesus had to leave. He was baptized in to this/for this very reason. how blessed are those who believe and hold onto Christ? Eternally

    you may wonder why the law and Old Testament all the stories pain and suffering? tutor. God revealed in the darkness. did anyone ever notice the world was in the dark? separated from God? not any more.

    the Holy Spirit coming on Jesus was a sign to john to recognize the Anointed One, Christ. Jesus was already God in flesh from birth. The Word of God made Flesh. subordinate to the Father.

    i am reminded when we see Jesus we see the Father.

  5. street says:

    It would have been extremely difficult for the disciples to grasp that the departure of Jesus from their midst would usher in a time during which his “replacement” would serve God’s purposes more effectively.

    serve = worship

    to worship in Spirit and Truth

  6. street says:

    to be a new creation.

  7. Beloved says:

    Thank you for clarifying street.

  8. Beloved says:

    Too often we are immobilized by the absence of the Son

    Not sure what he means by this though, is it because of those who have rejected Christ either willingly or unknowingly?

  9. Beloved says:

    Who are the “we” ? The body of Christ or people in general?

  10. Beloved says:

    My apologies I direct my questions to the author, Mart.

  11. street says:

    Too often we are immobilized by the absence of the Son

    thinking if you are absent of the Son, you are absent from everything and time will bear that out.

    thinking there might be another cause for immobilization, ignorance. 13 But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to [f]use the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had the evil spirits, saying, “I order you in the name of Jesus whom Paul preaches!” 14 Now there were seven sons of [g]Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, doing this. 15 But the evil spirit responded and said to them, “I recognize Jesus, and I know of Paul, but who are you?” 16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit, pounced on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known to all who lived in Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified.

    think the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, they are One. Jesus prayed that we would be One too in John 17:20. the post is right the Holy Spirit calls attention to Jesus not Himself and convicts of sin. Jesus calls us to God. Himself and will hand over all to the Father.

    love the wind sock at the airport picture. a place of departure and arrival. the wind, 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.”

    Singers and dancers give credit to Zion: “All my springs are in you!”

  12. Mart DeHaan says:

    Steve, Street, and others, I think the question as to why the Holy Spirit couldn’t come until Jesus left is important. I’m wondering whether it has to do with our Father’s unfolding plan– where some things have to happen before others will be/can be revealed.

  13. Mart DeHaan says:

    Beloved, I read the “we” to be attached to the authors’ “Throughout history, the Church has surged ahead whenever…”

  14. SFDBWV says:

    It is funny Mart how we all look at things differently, for a plethora of reasons.
    Somethings in Scripture for me remains a mystery, when that occurs I simply trust God and sidestep it for the time being. If God wants me to understand it He must have a reason for me to and perhaps a use from me in the revelation knowledge.

    However as you have said, you think the question is important and if it is important to you then I will try and help you explore it and God willing perhaps answer the question.

    As I tried to explain earlier it really didn’t make a lot of sense to me why Jesus had to leave before the Holy Spirit could come and join with believers in such a way as to be “one” with them/us.

    The point for me being the word “could”.

    This implies that He couldn’t come in that form until after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

    So then in part the fulfilment of Jesus’ sacrifice had to come to fruition. That makes sense.

    But why then after the resurrection did the Ascension have to occur before He could come in the person of the Holy Spirit.

    After all the Holy Spirit in us is still Jesus in us. At least that is how I see it.

    For me once again the mystery of the Trinity comes into play. Here is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirt. Each different but all three the same being.

    Each one seeming to have a different purpose and so interacts with us in Their own different way for Their purpose with and for us.

    So if I understand our present situation with God, God the Father sets in heaven on the throne, with Jesus the Son alongside Him as our sacrifice and intercessor, while The Holy Spirit is present in each believer.

    Is it possible that the Son had to be present with the Father as intercessor before the Holy Spirit could be present with us?

    A condition as part of how our salvation is worked out by the design and will of the Father.

    Well for this morning I will just have to trust that this is the way God the Father wanted it to be and leave it there, for now.

    Maybe throughout the course of conversation better knowledge or revelation will help explain.


  15. Beloved says:

    Yes I see, thank you Mart.

  16. bullwinkle11 says:

    25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout.k He was waiting for the consolation of Israel,l and the Holy Spirit was on him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah.

    Our Daily Bread shows that the Spirit and Jesus could be present at the same time. So I agree with Steve, I will have to trust that this is the way God the Father wanted it to be and leave it there, for now.

    Goes back to something that Pooh has said: KISS,Keep It Simple Saint.

  17. Beloved says:

    On the cross Jesus said , “it is finished”. I think He said earlier that He came to do the work of the Father. Perhaps the advent of the Spirit was a sign also of the new age? The age of grace? A turning point in the Fathers plan from the beginning of time?

  18. Beloved says:

    Work/will rather

  19. Beloved says:

    Romans 16:19
    For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

  20. poohpity says:

    The way I see it, it is a process that God the Father when coming to people in the OT created such an overpowering being that no one could even bear hearing His voice. He never allowed anyone to even see His face because He knew it would be so terrifying it would be all consuming and overwhelming that human beings would not be able to stand it. God’s power to me is nothing that any human being could take in and live.

    Then when Jesus came it put a face on God to show that that covering would allow people to know the heart of the Father without being consumed by His Glory. By our belief in the Son that was the next step into a close relationship with the Father. But until He ascended which is when He could ask the Father to send another comforter that would be a further revelation of the Glory of God on all mankind. Jesus was our advocate before that all consuming and overwhelming being we call God which until the work of Jesus had fulfilled His purpose.

    After Jesus asked the Father for the Holy Spirit for us which to me is just another purpose of God to draw us in for a closer relationship with Him without terrifying us. My mind has never been able to fathom All that Power that is God until the day I can go into His presence without being attached to this body to see His true Glory I have to just take the glimpses that allow me to live without being consumed with all that God is.

  21. Beloved says:

    Psalms 19:7
    The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.
    Psalms 116:6
    The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
    Psalms 119:130
    The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

  22. poohpity says:

    John 16: In the words of Jesus;

    “I have told you these things so that you won’t abandon your faith. 2 For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God. 3 This is because they have never known the Father or me. 4 Yes, I’m telling you these things now, so that when they happen, you will remember my warning. I didn’t tell you earlier because I was going to be with you for a while longer.
    The Work of the Holy Spirit

    5 “But now I am going away to the one who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. 6 Instead, you grieve because of what I’ve told you. 7 But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. 9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. 10 Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. 11 Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged.

    12 “There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can’t bear it now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. 14 He will bring me glory by telling you whatever he receives from me. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine; this is why I said, ‘The Spirit will tell you whatever he receives from me.’

  23. Beloved says:

    32 This Jesus aGod raised up, band of that we all are witnesses. 33 cBeing therefore dexalted at the right hand of God, and having received from ethe Father fthe promise of the Holy Spirit, ghe has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For hDavid did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
    i“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
    “Sit at my right hand,
    35 until I make your enemies your footstool.” ’
    36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that jGod has made him kboth Lord and Christ, this Jesus lwhom you crucified.”
    37 Now when mthey heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, nwhat shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, o“Repent and pbe baptized every one of you qin the name of Jesus Christ rfor the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive sthe gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For tthe promise is for you and ufor your children and for all vwho are far off, everyone wwhom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, x“Save yourselves from this ycrooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and zthere were added that day about three thousand souls.

    There’s a ton of info here in
    Acts 2

  24. Beloved says:

    Maclaren says about John 16:7 “We are accustomed to look back to our Lord’s earthly ministry, and to fancy that those who gathered round Him, and heard Him speak, and saw His deeds, were in a better position for loving Him and trusting Him than you and I are. It is all a mistake. We have lost nothing that they had which was worth the keeping; and we have gained a great deal which they had not. We have not to compare our relation to Christ with theirs, as we might do our relation to some great thinker or poet, with that of his contemporaries, but we have Christ in a better form, if I may so speak; and we, on whom the ends of the world are come, may have a deeper and a fuller and a closer intimacy with Him than was possible for men whose perceptions were disturbed by sense, and who had to pierce through ‘the veil, that is to say, His flesh,’ before they reached the Holy of Holies of His spirit.”

    I think this is what Mart is getting at?

  25. Beloved says:

    The great mystery we who are born of the Spirit live with.
    John 3:8
    The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

  26. Beloved says:

    I say mystery because it carries no physical form or emotion (sense) as Jesus did while in the flesh.

  27. poohpity says:

    For the greater good, Mart seems to be speaking of the spirit helping in evangelizing by what was said in the last paragraph. Act 1:8 NLT “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

  28. Beloved says:

    For the greater good- yes!

  29. Beloved says:

    Look at the internet and how that has helped spread the gospel. People in the 1st century could not have imagined.

  30. street says:

    thinking of the flying scroll

    5 Then I raised my eyes again and looked, and behold, there was a flying scroll. 2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see a flying scroll; its length is [a]twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.” 3 Then he said to me, “This is the curse that is going forth over the face of the entire [b]land; everyone who steals certainly will be purged away according to [c]the writing on one side, and everyone who swears falsely will be purged away according to [d]the writing on the other side. 4 I will make it go forth,” declares the Lord of armies, “and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of the one who swears falsely by My name; and it will spend the night within that house and destroy it with its timber and stones.”

    thinking what Jesus did for believes on the cross brings peace with God. as before we were at enmity. Jesus our peace. His Spirit now our Advocate!

    thinking of the rubble of our works are removed and a new foundation laid. Who’s builder is Christ.

    given a gift or talent from God. may your gift be fruitful

  31. street says:

    thinking of simeon, a righteous man, who believed God and was waiting for the Messiah. he was not disappointed. to understand that the infant in his arms is the Savior of mankind, breath taking.

    “Now, Lord, You are letting Your bond-servant depart in peace,
    According to Your word;
    For my eyes have seen Your salvation,
    Which You have prepared in the presence of all the peoples:
    A light for revelation [r]for the Gentiles,
    And the glory of Your people Israel.”

    we wait for our departure, not peace. till then a living sacrifice. He leads me beside still waters.

  32. foreverblessed says:

    Indeed, I totally agree with this:

    Beloved says:
    February 10, 2021 at 9:16 am

    Maclaren says about John 16:7 “We are accustomed to look back to our Lord’s earthly ministry, and to fancy that those who gathered round Him, and heard Him speak, and saw His deeds, were in a better position for loving Him and trusting Him than you and I are. It is all a mistake. We have lost nothing that they had which was worth the keeping; and we have gained a great deal which they had not….”

    Jesus is with us, in the Spirit, only we need eyes of faith.
    People who are alone, and we talk about the presence of Jesus, always with us, they often say to me;
    You do not know what you are talking about, I need someone of flesh and blood beside me.

    Makes me think of Elisha, who asks God to open the eyes of his servant, to see in the spiritual world:
    All the angels around them in the sky.
    But now we have not only angels, but Jesus Himself, always His presence right with us, and in us.

  33. jeff1 says:

    Your love, Holy Father,
    Love for Your Son,
    Poured out through Your Spirit
    Making us one!
    No longer unclean and
    No longer alone,
    Now one with You, Father,
    We are Your home.

    Your peace, Holy Father,
    Peace in Your Son,
    Deep peace in Your Spirit,
    Heaven begun!
    Through suffering and heartache
    This blessing has grown.
    All wrapped in Your keeping,
    We are Your own.

    What joy, Holy Father,
    Joy in Your Son,
    Great joy in Your Spirit,
    Glory begun!
    Your life every moment,
    Your presence, Your voice,
    Your fullness forever –
    Lord, we rejoice!

  34. bubbles says:

    Never thought about the why. It is what it is; “it” meaning the way things had to be.
    He came once Jesus left. I don’t know.

  35. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Bubbles, you made me smile

    Jesus died, on the Cross, and the Holy Spirit had not yet come, was that the darkness Jesus talked about in John 12:35-36?

  36. jeff1 says:

    Play “Shine Your Light”

    Shine your light against the dark
    Stand upright and make your mark
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light for me
    Long ago when I was just
    A boy of tender years
    My father told me life’s a road
    Paved with joy and tears
    And as you travel you must choose
    Between what’s right and wrong
    Remember sin is giving in
    For Heaven’s sake be strong
    As I grew beyond my teens
    The world began to press
    My father’s words began to fade
    Lost to selfishness
    And after years of walking down
    The wrong side of the track
    One night I cried and deep inside
    My father’s words came back
    My father said that kindness is
    The light of God in man
    So I was told to shine like gold
    On everyone I can
    I changed my ways and did my best
    To right the wrong I’d done
    I settled down and in a year
    God blessed us with a son
    Now he’s barely nine years old
    A learner on life’s way
    He wonders why a day goes by
    He doesn’t hear me say
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light
    Shine your light
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light for me

  37. SFDBWV says:

    A small break from the heavy thinkers among us…

    For those of you who follow the weather you know West Virginia was in for a good amount of snow last night.

    We got 9 inches of wet heavy snow and have 19 inches on the ground.

    My problem is that with regards to plowing I am running out of places to push it, as nothing is melting away all month.

    I went out this morning about 2:30 and began clearing my street and my neighbors, my town crew had been out sometime before that and got the rest of town. I was very pleased to have seen that.

    I plowed again around 7am and fed the critters.

    I took a few pictures after it got daylight so that I could share it on this year’s Christmas cards. I think I will title it “White, Wild, Wonderful, West Virginia”. Just to get a smile out of our friends and families.

    The wild turkeys have been coming in to eat in the afternoon, as it becomes difficult for any foraging creature to get down through deep snow to find food.

    It is always interesting to see how deer and turkey travel together. The deer paw up the snow and the turkey then can get to the ground in order to scratch up the soil for seeds.

    A neat relationship for two very different animals to help each other survive.

    I invite any of you who are interested to study nature and see how God created such a wonderfully amazing creation. Mankind seems to be the only thing that don’t quite fit in.

    I have thought about several comments to address our subject, just haven’t had the time. There is a lot to say about The Holy Spirit’s function with regards to how He interacts with mankind, both before and after the coming of Jesus.

    Will check in when I can and write as the Spirit leads me.

    Be blessed, all of you in this day.


  38. Beloved says:

    Hello Steve, so happy to hear you are staying “on top” of the snow.

  39. street says:

    But why did Jesus have to leave—after the kind of welcome he had gotten from the crowds of Jerusalem— after raising such hopes— after making enemies of Jerusalem’s religious leaders— after they had just given him three years away from their homes, family, and business!?

    some times we forget when Jesus left He died. we know why he did this. we also know He left the grave. now things are getting really interesting. Jesus left again!?! yes the ascension. i am reminded His Kingdom is not of this world and He left to prepare a place for us. a place where all things are made new. He also left to receive a Kingdom. it is my hope and dream to see not only this Kingdom, but also the Coronation.

    thinking the before and after of the apostles and the ones who believe their message and have not seen. Given a Holy Spirit. come and go through the narrow gate.

  40. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Steve, for sharing!
    Where to put the snow!
    I was thinking about that when I was clearing the path in our backyard. Most likely next Monday it is starting to melt, so I do not have to have a logistics of snow piling.
    But we have quite a bit of snow, for our standards that is, 5 inches! And it is dry powder snow, and still is after 5 days.
    I was cleaning the solar panels, the snow is white, and rubbing it with a soft rowell, cleanse it. The snow melts, the panels get warm in the sun.

    White as snow!!!

    By the blood of Christ our sins are made white as snow.
    A cleansing, is it the Holy Spirit flowing through us?
    The Spirit that was in Christ when He suffered, is now given to us, because He has suffered in the Body of Christ, and works in us a cleansing process.

    “By His stripes we are healed”

  41. foreverblessed says:

    Where to put the sno
    I once saw on television:
    In Moscow they have big trucks that suck out snow and throw it in the back of the lorry, and drive it out of the city.

  42. SFDBWV says:

    In the past when we would have feet of snow come down all too quickly, I hired front end loaders to come scoop up the piles of snow and simply place it wherever it would be convenient, even dumping some in the two rivers that course through town.

    However for now that isn’t quite necessary and is expensive. So for now I keep hoping warmer weather and wind will take care of the matter.

    in the mean time we just deal with what we are given.

    20 degrees f.


  43. foreverblessed says:

    …wheret to put the snow ❄️

    The Holy Spirit,
    Jesus left the earth, and said:
    Wait in the upper room.

    A sort of “lockdown”

    “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
    Acts 1:4-6

    We know what happened, at hindsight, but they didn’t.

    And they were praying in unity, probably fasting too.
    They were very humble, had no clue what to do.
    They had it wrong that they thought that Jesus would subdue the Romans and free Jerusalem and Israel, and reign as King. But instead He died on a Cross. Total Reset for them!

    So they waited on God, in humble unity.

    Maybe the lockdown will bring christians together like that again, in humble unity in Christ.
    Waiting till God acts

  44. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve, we must be typing together.
    So the trucks are too expensive!
    Money, municipality needs money from the inhabitants,
    that is called taxes, if handled wisely and prudently, it is for the welfare of the town!

  45. poohpity says:

    When Jesus ascended He explained that for the disciples to be able to spread the good news about Him they needed the Holy Spirit “For The Greater Good” Acts 1:8. So what does it say about the person who has never been His witness or shared their testimony about what Jesus means to them or has done for them since that is one of the reasons He told them to wait until they received the Holy Spirit before they could carry His message?

    Before they received the Holy Spirit it seems their witness was not bold or complete as it was after they receive His Spirit. So does it mean a person does not have the Holy Spirit if they are not doing what the Spirit was intended to do?

  46. poohpity says:

    Doesn’t the person who has the Spirit of God living within them desire the things of God then gives us the ability to live those things out? Doesn’t His Spirit overflow outward to others for the greater good beyond ourselves?

  47. jeff1 says:

    I believe you can have the Holy Spirit but listening and obedience is your portion as God gives us free will.

    I learned that from my dad because when I was following my cultural and religious beliefs along with my friends, he was not, and his seeing was very different to mine i.e. I of this world, while he disagreeing with everyone around him and being young and rebellious I believed we were right and he was wrong but hindsight has taught me how right he was and how wrong I was.

    The Holy Spirit will in time reveal the truth to me but that is because I was seeking God’s truths having got to the place where I realised my dad’s wisdom and my lack of it.

    My dad was a very disciplined man when it came to God and I know now that give him God given sight and not man driven oversight.

    The incredible truth about my dad was that he knew God knows best which is why he was not an opinionated man i.e. when the rest of us i.e. Protestants and Catholics were making demands to Government as to what should happen he was looking to God and silent in his demands and that speaks to me of a man who was listening to God and not just talking about it as the rest of us was proclaiming to do in our churches or places of worship as we bowed and worshiped God believing ourselves to be so righteous.

    It seems to me that you are talking of evangelism Pooh while I came to God through religion so we’re not singing of the one hymn sheet I suspect.

  48. street says:

    The religious leaders and the kinfolk in Nazareth predictably judge Jesus according to their history, tradition, experience, and expectations. They want new patches on old garments and new wine in old wineskins (Mark 2:21, 22), but this cannot accommodate the new things that Jesus is doing. Scripture Union 2/12/21

    We don’t consciously and deliberately disobey God— we simply don’t listen to Him. chambers 2/12/21

    They said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.” —Exodus 20:19 chambers 2/12/21

    they could not enter because of unbelief. those who try to save their life will lose it those who lose their life will find it. new birth

    John 14:26
    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all that I said to you.

    The Holy Spirit does this too…..8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: …….

    fruits of the Spirit, love joy peace patience kindness goodness faithfulness self control….

  49. Beloved says:

    Acts 2:38
    English Standard Version
    And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    Without the Holy Spirit even the greatest biblical scholar or apologist is no different from the world. The fruits show up in conduct. “You will receive”, WILL receive. John said believers do not commit habitual sin. (Without a fight, anyway).

  50. jeff1 says:

    Father, Father, day by day
    You give me all I need:
    Blessings, burdens, work and rest,
    Disgrace and dignity,
    Quiet, peaceful streams
    And the mountains steep,
    Pastures broad and green
    And the shadows deep.

    Shepherd, Shepherd, I am weak,
    So gently lead Your lamb.
    Joy or sorrow, loss or gain,
    I kiss Your loving hand.
    Father, kind and wise,
    Good in all You do,
    Take away the light
    If You’ll walk me through.

    Father God, You only give
    What draws me close to You.

  51. street says:

    John said believers do not commit habitual sin. (Without a fight, anyway).

    21 I find then the [t]principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully agree with the law of God [u]in the inner person, 23 but I see a different law in [v]the parts of my body waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner [w]of the law of sin, the law which is in [x]my body’s parts. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from [y]the body of this death?

    25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

    8 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk [d]according to the flesh but [e]according to the Spirit. ……..

    13 for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

  52. Beloved says:


  53. Beloved says:

    8 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus.

    So easy isn’t it to assume someone is “in Christ Jesus” . Why? Many reasons especially if your job and livelihood depend on “it”, rather than trusting that ultimately God is your provider. We read He takes us through lean times and times of plenty according to His will. My personally best times of growth have been through the desert down in a valley. I Remember when Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert. Not fun but needed.

    Judge not! Jesus said. Let the wheat and tares grow together so no one gets hurt. Jesus said. It’s complicated probably because of my own broken thinking. Let this mind be in YOU. His mind.

  54. Beloved says:

    It seems God has removed a problem.

  55. street says:

    John 14:17
    the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.

  56. poohpity says:

    Well Viv, If I understand Jesus which seems to be the same hymn book Mart was singing out of in this post then I am OK with the hymn book I am singing from.

    When Jesus was in the flesh He could only effect so many lives, it took Him sending the Spirit to touch more lives than just a few. That takes evangelism doesn’t it? Isn’t that the great commission that Jesus left His followers with? Each life that Jesus changed effects the life of others then their lives effect others and so on and so forth.

    Romans 10: 14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”

  57. poohpity says:

    It seems just like in the days of Jesus that those who practiced a religion did not even recognize who Jesus was although they claim to be people of God, so it seems to be now-a-days as well.

    On the day of Pentecost 50 days after Jesus ascended the Holy Spirit came upon those who were followers of Jesus and 3,000 were added by one sharing of the Good News with the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. The people heard that Good News in their own languages. Read Acts 2 it is amazing, the promises of Jesus were fulfilled.

  58. poohpity says:

    The songs sung from that hymn book became a choir of singers who went out from there to the Billions of people since then that have heard and come to believe because Jesus sent them in the power of the Holy Spirit.

  59. poohpity says:

    He is still sending people out “For the Greater Good” today as always until the second coming then hopefully every ear will hear and come to believe. If we do not speak then even rocks will cry out. The Good News is not something we want to keep to ourselves but by our words and actions we want to share Jesus with anyone and everyone.

  60. jeff1 says:

    Just to clarify, Pooh, I was referring to your post below when I spoke of how our thoughts were different.

    poohpity says:
    February 12, 2021 at 7:11 am

    When Jesus ascended He explained that for the disciples to be able to spread the good news about Him they needed the Holy Spirit “For The Greater Good” Acts 1:8Open in Logos Bible Software (if available). So what does it say about the person who has never been His witness or shared their testimony about what Jesus means to them or has done for them since that is one of the reasons He told them to wait until they received the Holy Spirit before they could carry His message?

    Before they received the Holy Spirit it seems their witness was not bold or complete as it was after they receive His Spirit. So does it mean a person does not have the Holy Spirit if they are not doing what the Spirit was intended to do?

    Your last sentence asked a question and I responded as to my understanding of the Holy Spirit but that it is my personal experience while your post is speaking of Christ’s followers spreading the gospel and that is all I meant so I was just trying to respond to your question and not disagreeing with your post.

    I was simply explaining that my dad knew that it took listening and obeying God to follow the Holy Spirit while I on the other hand was following my cultural and religious teaching which which I though was throwing light on your question.

  61. jeff1 says:

    Having being raised in a religious divided country I know how religion segregates while Jesus unites but that doesn’t limit God and He is very aware of the divisions in this world and its His plan and from my understanding is full proof.

    My dad was brought up in the same religious divided country that I was and went to his church yet he followed the Holy Spirit so I would be cautious when assuming that those who belong to a religion are not responsive to Christ’s teaching.

    Pooh, I am not trying to be disagreeable and am merely speaking of my experience of living in a cultural and religious divide which I can see takes me away from Christ but had I not had a dad who knew better I might not be as enlightened as I am today.

  62. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Jeff, for, or rather thank God, that He gave you to be so humble.
    Great gifts we receive from heaven.

    I still have to think about the Lockdown that Jesus ordered the disciples

    And while staying with them He ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; 5 for John baptized with water, hbut you will be baptized withthe Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

    Acts 1:4-5

    Jesus ascended, we have Ascension Day in our country, it was a holy day, with church services.
    Now it is a national free day, and we have a big oecumenical service, it’s Great!
    Christians worshipping Jesus together.

    40 days after Jesus rose from the dead, He ascended.
    And 50 days after He rose, the Holy Spirit was sent.

    40 days in biblical terms is often with fasting in the wilderness, 40 days of fasting of Moses, of Elijah, of Jesus before He was tempted.

    50 days has other meanings:
    Liberation, on the 50th year people were released from their debts. ( In OT Israel)

    The Holy Spirit was sent on the fiftieth day, pentecoste= count 50

  63. SFDBWV says:

    Getting into the study of the Holy Spirit and His work and mission here among us from before the foundation of the Earth into eternity is quite a lot to explore and to discuss.

    I actually don’t think personally that I have the energy for it.

    I have done so many times over the course of my life and so what comes out of me sometimes are little revelations I have learned.

    With regards to the “number games” referred to from Foreverblessed. I have a couple books that try and lay out all of the numbers that relate and have significance in the Scripture, as well as one or two that also lay out codes that appear in the OT Hebrew text. They are very interesting, but also very exhausting for me to try and retain.

    I think if anything the numbers and codes give evidence that the Author of Scripture is the Holy Spirit, as it is written by I think 44 different men over thousands of years, but still is so connected in detail in concert with each other. That only God could pull off such a Work.

    For the most part we read in the OT that the Holy Spirit “came upon” each recipient usually a prophet, though sometime just a person It wasn’t an indwelling as we associate Him with today.

    However then we read in Psalms 51:11 KJV that David asks God not to take His Holy Spirit from him. Meaning that even though David was guilty of adultery and murder the Holy Spirit remained with him and was a part of him.

    Was this unique to David or a result of David having been anointed?

    Maybe the anointing from God in the OT was a forerunner to the event of the Pentecost when the entire Body of Christ became anointed in the special relationship we enjoy with Christ.

    Some of the prophets were born into the position of prophet, while some were anointed by their predecessor. I am paraphrasing here as I know Elisha was announced by Elijah to replace him as directed from God. 2 Kings 2:1-15 KJV.

    I have always taken comfort in believing that we believers are anointed by God as believers in Christ and so have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And just as ascribed by David even though we fail and sin His Holy Spirit remains with us.

    It is His Holy Spirit in us that will raise us up in that last day to be with the Lord forever.

    Thank You Lord for such an undeserved and unimaginable gift.

    22.2 degrees f cloudy and with 18 inches of snow still on the ground.


  64. street says:

    For the Greater Good

    those who receive Jesus receive the One Who sent Him.

    Luke 8:18
    Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them.”

    2 For the “rule” of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the “rule” of sin and of death. Romans 8: 2

    to be Mastered by Love, not by self.

    the way of the cross

    You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
    You have anointed my head with oil;
    My cup overflows.

    For the Greater Good

  65. Beloved says:

    Luke 8:18 thanks for the reminder.

  66. jeff1 says:

    God is great, and God is good
    Beyond what we have understood.
    The Hand that gives the sparrow food
    Is always in control and always good.

    When the enemy is mighty and
    when mountains block the way,
    when my life is filled with shadows
    and with fears I cannot name,
    though His steps are like the thunder,
    He is tender with my pain.
    Sometimes He sends a storm of love,
    sometimes a gentle rain.

    Far beyond imagination,
    far above all I can see,
    He is grand beyond all measure,
    filling all eternity.
    In my smallness and my weakness,
    in my fearfulness and pain,
    I’ll praise Him in the darkness
    till the light returns again.

  67. foreverblessed says:

    As Steve was saying, the Holy Spirit, as David called Him, was around in the OT.
    That is a mystery to me.
    So were the miracles, and the healings, and even people were raised back to life.
    And Jesus had not died yet for our sins and our infirmities.

    But, then there is a bible verse that says:
    The Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.

    Which to me I is a mysterious explanation as to why it was possible that the Holy Spirit was around in the OT, as were the healings and raising of the dead.

    About the number game, as Steve called it, I am not very good at it, and be number 7 is God’s number, number 6 is the humans number.
    2 times 6 is the number of sons of Jacob, the number of disciples. 12 times 12 is 144 thousand the number,call about us humans!

  68. Beloved says:

    Just curious as to why the book is called Numbers so looked it up.

    The name of the book comes from the two censuses taken of the Israelites.Wiki

  69. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I was just wanting about numbers.
    The 6 and multiple 6 numbers, 12 and 144 thousand, is all about us humans, being the Body of Christ.

    Jesus left, so that the Spirit would come, and live in is, together we are the Body of Christ.

    Having thought about the ❓ question of Mart, Jesus had to leave so the Spirit would come, lays a bigger emphasis on the Body of Christ.
    He the Head, He has chosen to be connected to us, the Head to the Body.

    It is all about Jesus Who saves.
    But He is making a bigger circle ⭕
    Circle of believers, together with Him.
    He is us and we in Him, and He in the Father, (John 17)

    And this is so deep, so true:
    2 For the “rule” of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the “rule” of sin and of death. Romans 8: 2

    What the Spirit does in us.

  70. foreverblessed says:

    Indeed Beloved!
    The book Numbers!
    All about humans, the people of God!
    The Body
    The Bride of Christ

  71. foreverblessed says:

    A bit more on numbers,
    There are now 70 comments.
    Makes me think of Gideon who had seventy sons.
    Judges 9:28-31 seventy plus one.

    But then it struck me that the family of Jacob was seventy in all:
    Gen 46:27 With the two sons who had been born to Joseph in Egypt, the members of Jacob’s family, which went to Egypt, were seventy in all.

    The first settlement of Israel is seventy, says Genesis 46.

    Then Jesus, He first sends out the Twelve, Matthew 10:1 then He sends out the seventy two!
    12 and 72 multiples of 6.

    The sending out of Jesus is done in specific numbers.

    Acts 1:15 about 120 people were in the Upper Room.
    Waiting for the Promised Helper.

    It is said that the 72 were spread over the world spreading the Gospel fast.

    Nothing important, we will have eternity with Jesus to find out more and more things.

  72. bratimus says:

    The question to why Jesus had to leave before the Holy Spirit could come for all who accepted Christ Jesus as the word of God on the cross for the sins of all.

    I won’t ask that question, It is God’s will, i won’t question the will of God. I know that God’s will is for the Best, and that God is in control.

    What I can say is that before Christ, there were only so many prophets that were inspire and guided by God.

    After Christ because of the finale sacrifice of Christ on the cross, we have a bridge back to God and we can all have the Holy Spirit to guide us, and Christ Stand before God for us.

    Just my thoughts

    In Christ Jesus name


  73. street says:

    The Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.

    in order for the Redemption plan to go forward blood was shed. animal skins. usually a visible representation is also a representation of a Spiritual Truth.

    The Lamb of God is Jesus. Father like Son, One.

    God was/is innocent and blameless in creation, it is Good.

    sin entered and judgment followed. a judgment entered to bring us back to God. just like venomous snakes turned the people back to moses and God.

    the non guilty slain for the guilty.

    the guilty/mendicant/repentant/faithful Redeemed by the innocent,
    The Gift of God

  74. street says:

    26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. 27 A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”

    28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses’ aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!”

    29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!”

    a foretaste of Pentecost?

    Romans 8:9
    You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

    6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20
    Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

  75. street says:

    to live is Christ.

  76. street says:

    51 Be gracious to me, God, according to Your faithfulness;
    According to the greatness of Your compassion, wipe out my wrongdoings.
    Wash me thoroughly from my guilt
    And cleanse me from my sin.
    For I know my wrongdoings,
    And my sin is constantly before me.
    Against You, You only, I have sinned
    And done what is evil in Your sight,
    So that You [b]are justified [c]when You speak
    And [d]blameless when You judge.

    Behold, I was brought forth in guilt,
    And in sin my mother conceived me.
    Behold, You desire truth in the [e]innermost being,
    And in secret You will make wisdom known to me.
    [f]Purify me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
    [g]Cleanse me, and I will be whiter than snow.
    [h]Let me hear joy and gladness,
    Let the bones You have broken rejoice.
    Hide Your face from my sins
    And wipe out all my guilty deeds.

    Create [i]in me a clean heart, God,
    And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
    Do not cast me away from Your presence,
    And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
    Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
    And sustain me with a willing spirit.
    Then I will teach wrongdoers Your ways,
    And sinners will [j]be converted to You.

    Save me from the guilt of bloodshed, God, the God of my salvation;
    Then my tongue will joyfully sing of Your righteousness.
    Lord, [k]open my lips,
    So that my mouth may declare Your praise.
    For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
    You do not take pleasure in burnt offering.
    The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
    A broken and a contrite heart, God, You will not despise.

    By Your favor do good to Zion;
    [l]Build the walls of Jerusalem.
    Then You will delight in [m]righteous sacrifices,
    In burnt offering and whole burnt offering;
    Then [n]bulls will be offered on Your altar.

  77. Beloved says:

    Just thinking that if before Pentecost some were “annointed” (received a “divine unction” ) to use their voices and (in some cases their bodily selves) to share what God wanted the people to do then why do we need voices today- special voices- (with the same Holy Spirit) given to all?
    I was in a meeting where there was an unknown tongue of prophetic word spoken and I knew what was said but didn’t want to say anything. As I listened to 3 or 4 people share what was spoken I recognized they were all saying the same thing I was thinking. So decided we were all hearing from the same “spirit”. Did this confirm to me that I had a spiritual gift of interpretation? Yes and no. It made me question just exactly what kind of spirit I was hearing from and why did it have to come through to us in an unknown language. We were all English speaking. It just didn’t feel right. Something about it unnerved me and sent me red flags. The reason I didn’t speak up was because I did not want attention brought to myself.

  78. SFDBWV says:

    Just one more comment about numbers before I shut down the computer for the night. Just got Matt to bed and I am next.

    There is a number of Gentiles who come to Christ as stated “The fulfillment of the Gentiles”.

    I have been taught that when that number comes up is when the curtain is drawn and the end comes.

    Still 22 degrees…


  79. street says:

    thinking of the joy of paul in Philippians. our joy has begun because God has removed the penalty of sin. now we can live!!!

  80. Beloved says:

    What a wonderful change in my life has been wrought
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    I have light in my soul for which long I have sought,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    Since Jesus came into my heart,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    Floods of joy o’er my soul like the sea billows roll,
    Since Jesus came into my heart
    I have ceased from my wand’rings and going astray,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And my sins which were many are all washed away,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    Since Jesus came into my heart,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    Floods of joy o’er my soul like the sea billows roll,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    I shall go there to dwell in that City I know,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    And I’m happy, so happy as onward I go,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    Since Jesus came into my heart,
    Since Jesus came into my heart;
    Floods of joy o’er my soul like the sea billows roll,
    Since Jesus came into my heart.
    Since Jesus came into my heart.

  81. foreverblessed says:

    The Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.
    Natural impossible.
    I was thinking about that yesterday, and this morning, I heard a sermon of Tony Campolo.
    Talking about God Who is above time.
    That Jesus hang on the Cross, and absorbed the sin of the whole world in His body, and reached out over time to us, breaching the gap of time.
    Forgiving us, and more than that: cleansing us!
    Even so, before He hang on the Cross, it was already reality.

    God: I am that I am
    Eternally in the now.

    And He Who is above time, came into our time, into our world, lived in a human body.
    Jesus became one of us! And saved us.

    He is now making a Body.
    Many have already said it;
    He living in His children, being all over the world would do more works than He alone.

    The Body of Christ;

    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

    Do we show that, or is there improvement into the Unity and Love of God in His Body.
    I guess God is working on that now, getting ready His children.
    Maybe that is meant by the numbers of the gentiles.

  82. jeff1 says:

    Without Christ we are deeply divided as having been raised in the Protestant faith I see that we disagree we divide i.e. here we have Presbyterian church and Free Presbyterian, Methodist and Free Methodist and so on so forth.

    It is my thinking that it isn’t our strength as we are much too individual in our relationships to God.

    These two quotes from Lewis give me something to think about and for myself I find the second one *illuminating.

    I could well believe that it is God’s intention, since we have refused milder remedies, to compel [Christians] into unity, by persecution even. Satan is without doubt nothing else than a hammer in the hand of a benevolent and severe God.

    *Seek Unity and you will find neither Unity nor Truth. Seek the light of truth, and you will find Unity and Truth.

  83. Beloved says:

    John 8:12
    New International Version
    When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

  84. Beloved says:

    Over here the “free” added means it’s not part of an organized group but still holds to denominational doctrine. My daughter belongs to a free Lutheran church which contrary to other more prominent churches does not condone abortion or fund it through secular charities.

  85. SFDBWV says:

    Resting between chores with a cup of coffee and a “honey bun”.

    Foreverblessed I laughed when I read a few days ago when you mentioned taxes. I still am smiling as I write.

    You have put your finger on the great division within our country.

    As silly as it sounds to Europeans Americans don’t like to pay taxes.

    The problem is though that without them (tax) public services can’t exist. Yet people demand service and even riot when denied.

    They want everything given to them, but don’t want to pay for them.

    So we have conservatives (Republicans) and liberals (Democrats) who endlessly argue over how to get money and how to spend it.

    Before anyone gets their dander up, politics isn’t only relegated to government, there is also politics at the work place and even more aggressively applied in all of the denominations of Christian churches.

    Which is why there are so many.

    25 degrees f clouded over and a little foggy. 17 inches of snow still on the ground with piled up snow 4 to 6 feet high.


  86. poohpity says:

    If we allow the Holy Spirit to be our teacher and guide then:

    Eph 4 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.

    There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    one God and Father of all,
    who is over all, in all, and living through all.

    7 However, he has given each one of us a special gift through the generosity of Christ. 8 That is why the Scriptures say,

    “When he ascended to the heights,
    he led a crowd of captives
    and gave gifts to his people.”

    9 Notice that it says “he ascended.” This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world. 10 And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself.

    11 Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. 12 Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. 13 This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.

    14 Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. 15 Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. 16 He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.

  87. jeff1 says:

    Too often we are immobilized by the absence of the Son rather than invigorated by the presence of the Spirit.”

    I think this is very true for myself as I am weary of the world and religion and how divisive it has been in this Province.

    People seem more concerned with having their religious freedoms than the freedom they have in Christ which speaks of either ignorance or denial.

    Again I quote Lewis because he just seems to understand so well:

    “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.”

  88. street says:

    “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.”

    the desire for righteousness justice holy mercy grace wisdom faithfulness love peace kindness self control goodness oneness.

    He saved us while we were still sinners.

    why did He do it this way?

    so that we would know grace and mercy.

    to become humble thankful and joyful. a joy that will not end.

  89. street says:

    For the Greater Good

    been thinking of death

    i am told death means separation

    in Genesis God asked adam,” Where are you?”

    God was separated from adam, for his good, and yet He still speaks.

  90. street says:

    For the Greater good.

  91. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    February 14, 2021 at 10:05 am

    Before anyone gets their dander up, politics isn’t only relegated to government, there is also politics at the work place and even more aggressively applied in all of the denominations of Christian churches.

    I have to say that it certainly has been my experience which is why I find it so hard to see a way forward in this world but then according to my son I have a very negative take on things and that may be very well the case as I tend to believe that my experiences cloud my judgements and I have had bad experiences when it comes to hatred and violence in this Province so certainly do not need to be going from my own understanding when it comes to moving forward.

  92. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, that’s good that it gave you a smile.
    And you nailed it, about taxes.
    I remember an American family, coming to our country some 30 years ago, because he got a job here. He wrote a book.
    At first he was outright shocked 😲, how much taxes he had to pay.
    But after a few years, his vision changed: he found out that living here was of high quality. Good schools, good roads, infra structure, good health insurance, transport systems. Good universities.
    The taxes gave a well run country.
    He did some counting, adding numbers:
    And found out that it was probably cheaper to live here.
    As overhere you would not have to pay for private schools, nor expensive universities, neither for health care ( except the monthly fees)
    He also found out that people were more relaxed, not stressed for making ends meet.
    And workers were more protected, less stress, less work hours a week, more holidays a year.
    That was 30 years ago.
    The financial crisis has made some overhaul to the welfare state.
    And now this pandemic..

    So a government who runs their country well is a blessing, and it is taxes that is needed to make it run well.

    So yes, I am amazed at the viewpoint in your country, of, especially poorer people, that are against taxes.
    They do not know what they are missing.

    I do not believe that our government is corrupt. Neither do I believe that they misuse their power.
    They make mistakes, and many things could be better.
    It is not utopia.
    Oh no, not at all.

    But we talk about the Holy Spirit,
    About being christlike, the character of Jesus being formed in us, by the Spirit.
    Jesus paid his taxes. And taught people to do so.
    Paul mentions something about honoring authorities.
    Did anyone mention being humble, that also includes: being willing to be led by a government!

  93. street says:

    there is also politics at the work place and even more aggressively applied in all of the denominations of Christian churches

    politics also infects our relationship with God!!

    how so??? Bargaining!

    i’ll never do that again if…..

    i’m sorry i did not mean too…..

    no i don’t need that, i’m good…..

    we can not bargain with God because we have nothing to bargain with. all things come from God. the only thing the natural man can give God is their sin.

    God is complete and perfect, we are not.

    i am sorry i did not mean too.. yes we make choices according to our natural spirit. the outcome is determined by God. always consequences for sin.

    Jesus is the consequences of our sin and Gods love for us. raised on the third day for His Glory and our Salvation.

    no i am not good. good is the farthest thing from me. and yes i need Jesus more than creation.

    Jesus says come to Me all you who are burdened and I Will give you rest.

  94. foreverblessed says:

    Good to think about that!
    Bargaining with God,

    It looks to me, that is what Job did
    I obeyed all Your laws, and look how You treat me!

    But I wanted to say,. especially to Beloved, who watched a documentary on ice skating in our country.
    We had Ice-skating here!

    People have been elated, first about the thick layer of snow, as a gift from above, and now about the ice!
    You can look for pictures on internet.
    It is melting, temperature now above O° Celsius.

    I have no more skates, but I went out yesterday and today.
    And am.so blessed by this wonderful snow landscape!

  95. street says:

    It looks to me, that is what Job did
    I obeyed all Your laws, and look how You treat me!

    he obeyed because he trusted God, and like Job we come to God in repentance.

    the innocent still suffer, made righteous in Christ.

    sin removed as far as east is from west.

    veil removed.

    tears will be removed too.

  96. street says:

    blessed are those who morn for they shall be comforted.

  97. street says:

    I’m all out of love, I’m so lost without you
    I know you were right, believing for so long
    I’m all out of love, what am I without you
    I can’t be too late to say that I was so wrong
    air supply

  98. Beloved says:

    Forever I read they closed the waterways to retain water for skating. It must be fun to watch others on the ice. The winter landscape is so beautiful!! I spent many many hours ice skating on a municipal rink when I was young. Loved it so much! Also loved watching the Olympic skaters and bobsledding. Skiing also of course!

  99. Beloved says:

    Speaking of winter entertainment- my cat is enjoying chasing shadows of water falling on the table as the ice on my window melts in the sun on this day of -18 F! She entertains me also. I love how God is in everything.

  100. jeff1 says:

    God’s love endureth forever-
    What a wonderful thing to know
    When the tides of life run against you
    And your spirit is downcast and low . . .

    God’s kindness is ever around you,
    Always ready to freely impart
    Strength to your faltering spirit,
    Cheer to you lonely heart . . .

    God’s presence is ever beside you,
    As near as the reach of your hand,
    You have but to tell Him your troubles,
    There is nothing He won’t understand . . .

    And knowing God’s love is unfailing,
    And His mercy unending and great,
    You have but to trust in His promise-
    “God comes not too soon nor too late” . . .

    So wait with a heart that is patient
    For the goodness of God to prevail-
    For never do prayers go unanswered,
    And His mercy and love never fail.

  101. poohpity says:

    Forever, are the people you pay taxes to better off than the people who pay taxes? Is everyone on the same level financially or do those who receive the tax money living at a higher standard than those who work and get their money taken from them? Doesn’t your tax money go not only to your sovereign government but also to the EU to run their affairs as well?

  102. poohpity says:

    It would be nice if we all could do like Jesus did and get His and Peter’s tax money out of a fish. Jesus asked who’s face is on the money then said, “give to Cesar what is Cesar’s”. The tax collectors in the days of Jesus are similar to the tax collectors of our time they cheat, take more and make themselves rich.

  103. Beloved says:

    Remembering this “wee little man”

    Zacchaeus (sometimes spelled or Zaccheus; Ancient Greek: Ζακχαῖος, Zakkhaîos; Hebrew: זכי‎, “pure”, “innocent”)[1] was a chief tax-collector at Jericho, known primarily for his faith in climbing a sycamore tree to see Jesus, and also his generosity in giving half of all he possessed. A descendant of Abraham, he was an example of Jesus’s personal, earthly mission to bring salvation to the lost.[2] Tax collectors were despised as traitors (working for the Roman Empire, not for their Jewish community), and as being corrupt. His story is found in the Gospel of Luke. Wiki

  104. Beloved says:

    Interestingly I did not know or perhaps forgot that Zaccheas was a Jew. Adds another dimension to the story for me, anyway. Wow the reach of Gods grace!

  105. poohpity says:

    Here we have taxation but we have people that represent the tax payer so the money is used properly not for the good of the throne. It was because of the protest called the “Boston Tea Party” which stopped GB from taxing the American people to satisfy the throne.

  106. jeff1 says:

    In our Rector’s sermon he spoke of how in many parts of the world there are workers who when are of sick are unable to feed their families they are so poor.

    That makes me thankful that I have all of my days been able to pay my taxes and the problem here is that many try to evade paying taxes because of greed and not need leaving those who are hard working and willing to pay, with the deficit.

    As my dad says when everyone pays their dues then your not robbing you fellow man but it seems not many look at it from this viewpoint as honesty is a rare virtue among the greedy.

  107. street says:

    Zaccheas collecting taxes for God’s roman government from jews who’s heart were far from Him. seems zacceas’s heart was not far from God. never go by appearance’s, look at the heart.

    Simon son of John, ” do you love Me” said Jesus

    Lord you know all things. you know that i love you.

    leaves the 99 and looks for the one that is lost.

    if He did not carry us we would never make it.

    Psalm 28:9
    Save your people and bless your inheritance; be their shepherd and carry them forever.

  108. street says:

    Psalm 126:6
    Those who go out weeping, carrying seed to sow, will return with songs of joy, carrying sheaves with them.

    to carry seed you must be empty of self. a living sacrifice.

    to live is Christ

    For the Greater Good

    13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

  109. foreverblessed says:

    The greatest work:
    Jesus Cross, and now through the Holy Spirit, spreading it in His Body of believers.

    Beloved mentioned Acts 2, that it says it all
    I just had to think, did I miss this, did I not really grasp it before?
    Jesus was glorified and received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit….
    this part….

    A few years ago a Catholic pastor in our big church said on Easter service:
    Jesus gave the Spirit when He died on the Cross.
    That is, the Holy Spirit

    John 19:30
    With that He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit.

    I always thought it was Jesus own Spirit, but His own Spirit is One with God, so of course: the Holy Spirit.
    So the pastor preached, and paused a great while:

    “Jesus gave the Spirit”

    And now this bible verse looks at me:

    “Exalted to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit…”

    Jesus gave the Spirit to the Father, who is in heaven, then Jesus went up to heaven seated at the right hand of God, and received the Holy Spirit and…

    “poured it out, what you now hear and see.”

    Acts 2:33

  110. foreverblessed says:

    This is off topic, so you can skip it.

    About taxes, stating that tax collectors always cheat, is a very very black vision.
    Maybe in some third world countries they do. Where the government people are very rich themselves. That is called corruption. But here our governing people are not very rich, neither do they live in castles.
    I said that I do not believe they cheat, at least not overall.
    It is quite well monitored.
    In Roman times they probably could ask more from the citizens and keep it some to themselves. Overhere people who work for the taxes, just get a salary, and that is it.
    The government decide how it is used. And they do quite a good job.

    To be honest, I really like it that we have welfare here, that people who are jobless, and those who are handicapped, that they get help.
    Yes I do like that.
    That in our country people are being taken care of. And I do believe that this is what Jesus was teaching, so I believe the welfare is christian.
    Of course, it must be monitored that people do not fraud.
    This is now a huge thing here, out government was fallen because of it. They were so severe in anti fraud, that citizens suffered.

    So the answer to Pooh is, people suffered more from anti-fraud, than that we as citizens suffer from welfare misuse.
    “Is everyone on the same level financially or do those who receive the tax money living at a higher standard than those who work and get their money taken from them”
    The answer is: NO

    Pooh is asking, does not money go to the EU? Yes,it does. But the benefits care greater than the uropean Union uses the money in many a good project. There should be more information spread how well used that money is, and what great.projects there are, how we benefit from them.

    One example: the collectively make medicine, radiation therapy.
    GB stepped out of it, now they have to organize it for themselves.
    Student programs, Erasmus, a very good system to encourage students to go abroad, and widen their vision, GN had to make their own program now.
    The people were not very well informed of how great the benefits are of working together as nations.
    And yes, money goes to poorer areas.
    I am very well pleased that more money is going to Eastern Europe.

    We got the Marshall Plan, the US helped us financially after WW2, thank you guys, that was awesome. Germany was rebuild quickly by that money.

    We as Europe should have had a “Marshall Plan” for eastern Europe after the fall of the Wall.
    Look at Yugoslavia, how in ruins it still lays.
    I pray we will help them rebuild.
    And I heard they are starting to do that. So yes, money from us, is going to eastern Europe.

    May God bless it!!!

  111. foreverblessed says:

    GN should be GB.
    The Tea Party, that is several hundreds years ago.
    We the Netherlands suffered in the same measurements GB mad. as you in the US.

    Only English ships could bring in cargo to England. To protect their own fleet. It so happened that our ships were better and faster, used less crew members. So businesses would rather book our ships than the English, because they were cheaper.

    So our ships were confiscated in English waters. And the result was war!
    (In hindsight: I do not agree with my country that they starting a war because of that, instead of bringing it to the throne of God, and lay it before Him. That is the meaning of a christian nation, we were christian, but we did not follow the teaching of Jesus)

    May we learn to follow the teaching of Jesus. It is still a long way of….lots to learn.
    Holy Spirit needed

  112. poohpity says:

    Yes our taxes here have helped people around the world for a long time not just our taxes but the incredible hearts of many philanthropists and Christian’s who give of their money and their time to help the less fortuante and still do.

  113. jeff1 says:

    If everyone was honest enough to pay their taxes I think it would mean a great deal to those that are willing to pay theirs’s.

    Here those in the lower earnings pay 20% while those on higher earnings pay 40% and the Government is not filthy rich unless individuals have come from inherited wealth which is often the case.

    Celebrities in sport and the like are much wealthier than those in Government.

    I recall asking a fellow I worked with who had went to see his favourite team play here and I asked him did they get to speak to any of them and he laughed and said they looked at us as if we were something they picked up on their shoe meaning their egos were as big as the pay packets.

    I said to him if it weren’t for supporters like you they wouldn’t be where they are today but he reckoned they didn’t see it like that and I am sure he is right or else they would have behaved very differently to their supporters.

  114. poohpity says:

    Here we have a population of 360 million people and more trying to come by the thousands to our country. Is it a perfect country? No, not by any means because it is run like every other country by sinners who often look out for their own welfare. There is no such thing as a Christian nation maybe nations founded on Christian principles but there is no way possible to be a Christian nation anywhere. To be a Christian nation all the people would have to be Christians but that is highly impossible on this side of heaven and we welcome people of all types of religions because of our first amendment which states;

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

  115. poohpity says:

    It is our Constitution that makes us different than any other country. That does not mean better just different. It is a great freedom experiment unlike any other country, that is at this time being challenged by division within our own borders. As the Lord said, “A house divided will not stand”. Our rights and freedoms allowed by our Creator through our Constitution are under fire right now worse than I have ever experienced in my life time. Satan is at work double time.

  116. jeff1 says:

    Our Father, up in heaven,
    hear this fervent prayer;
    May the people of all nations
    be united in thy care,
    For earth’s peace and man’s salvation
    can come only by thy grace
    And not through bombs and missiles
    and our quest for outer space . . .
    For until all men recognise
    and “the battle is the Lord’s”
    And peace on earth cannot be won
    with strategy and swords,
    We will go on vainly fighting,
    as we have in ages past,
    Finding only empty victories
    and a peace that cannot last . . .
    But we’ve grown so rich and mighty
    and so arrogantly strong,
    We no longer ask in humbleness-
    “God show us where we’re wrong” . . .
    We have come to trust completely
    in the power of man-made things,
    Unmindful of God’s mighty power
    and that He is “King of Kings” . . .
    We have turned our eyes away from Him
    to go our selfish way,
    And money, power and pleasure
    are the Gods we serve today . . .
    And the good green earth God gave us
    to peacefully enjoy,
    Through greed and fear and hatred
    we, are seeking to destroy . . .
    Oh, Father, up in heaven,
    stir and wake our sleeping souls,
    Renew our faith and lift us up
    and give us higher goals,
    And grant us heavenly guidance
    as war threatens us again
    For, more than guided missiles,
    all the world needs guided men.

  117. Beloved says:

    Have you looked into what the University of Minnesota is doing to help people with TBI and paralysis? They are world leaders in this science and now using implants to allow people to walk.
    Just thought I’d mention it.

  118. Beloved says:

    This may be old news though and might be Mayo Clinic.

  119. Beloved says:

    Death and taxes- commonly known as inevitable in life. But what does discussion of these do to promote life in the Kingdom?

    Too often we are immobilized by the absence of the Son rather than invigorated by the presence of the Spirit.” End of Quote

    Now I understand the quote as it’s played out here and in the culture. Now I get it.

  120. Beloved says:

    If I don’t see every circumstance as coming from the loving hand of God I become disappointed with God and myself. Ruminating on things of the world leaves no hope for a way forward. Stuck. But, it Seems that if I focus on Christ I have something to offer- for the Greater Good of all. We must die to lift up Christ. Interesting. Die to live. Unimaginable. But true.

  121. poohpity says:

    Viv, I just loved that prayer and so meaningful. How many people who are called by His name actually humble themselves and cry out to God to heal their nations or even give up some of their time to follow after our God to get to know Him?

  122. foreverblessed says:

    Verse of the Day on Biblegateway:

    For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
    1 John 3:11

    I wanted to look up Psalm 113:1-9
    First thing in the morning that I saw, someone sent it to me.

    Praise the Lord.[a]

    Praise the Lord, you his servants;
    praise the name of the Lord.
    Let the name of the Lord be praised,
    both now and forevermore.
    From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets,
    the name of the Lord is to be praised.

    The Lord is exalted over all the nations,
    his glory above the heavens.
    Who is like the Lord our God,
    the One who sits enthroned on high,
    who stoops down to look
    on the heavens and the earth?

    He raises the poor from the dust
    and lifts the needy from the ash heap;
    he seats them with princes,
    with the princes of his people.
    He settles the childless woman in her home
    as a happy mother of children.

    Praise the Lord.

  123. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved asked, what has taxes to do with the topic?
    It’s true, I posted it, saying it is of topic, you can skip it.

    The Holy Spirit, that would come, when Jesus left.
    The HS living in His Body.

    What did Jesus do?
    He raises the poor out of the dust,and lifts the needy out of the dunghill.

  124. jeff1 says:

    I would agree, Pooh, its also a prayer where the author sees how nations ways to victory are not the Lord’s Way which should be a comfort to those of us who are weary of war.

    The author has an incredible insight to what is wrong in the world and so this prayer not only highlights the wrongs but it asks God to give us higher goals as the author believes we have fallen into the ways of the world rather than seeking God’s higher calling.

    Steve’s post speaks of how we are not wanting to go their when it comes to politics but it has been my experiences from living in a religiously divided country that he is right in what he is saying.

    Politics is in our society whether we like it or not and its a challenge that we may prefer to bury our heads in the sand too but it’s very much part of the world today and whether we like it or not we can not avoid the repercussions from it.

    Jesus, and His followers didn’t avoid difficult challenges when they were on this earth despite the repercussion’s so I suppose the question is should we.

  125. poohpity says:

    In the prayer of Jesus for us right before He went through the crucifixion in John 17 He said He knew we had to remain in this world but we do not have to act like the world around us. He also speaks again of the Holy Spirit that will continue to teach us about God.

    John 17: “I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. 21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

    22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. 24 Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!

    25 “O righteous Father, the world doesn’t know you, but I do; and these disciples know you sent me. 26 I have revealed you to them, and I will continue to do so. Then your love for me will be in them, and I will be in them.”

  126. poohpity says:

    Even though Paul was not there in the upper room but had the Holy Spirit this is what he taught;

    Romans 12: Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.

    3 Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us.

  127. Beloved says:

    No forever I didn’t say anything about being off topic I said
    Beloved says:
    February 15, 2021 at 2:16 pm
    Death and taxes- commonly known as inevitable in life. But what does discussion of these do to promote life in the Kingdom?

  128. Beloved says:

    My question was borne of thought; not being snarky or sarcastic. It’s so hard to read motive through words here. I know as I tend to read anything directed toward me as negative and inciting because of my broken thinking and perceiving. I think that’s why I allowed myself to be abused by Christians. The only way I can counteract what “normal” to me is is by reading scripture and finding out how God thinks, which is what I am slowly leaning.

    This blog has been very helpful along with counselors that understand my brokenness and teach me how to change what is broken. Not that it goes away completely but the Words of God keep me from falling so much.

  129. Beloved says:

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

  130. jeff1 says:

    Yet, I think the prayer I posted speaks of our failure to behave differently from the world and that may be very well because so many give credence to their political and religious beliefs over their credence to God.

    Politics and religion creates biases and so I must be focused on Christ for to please God and I must measure my growth in my relationship to Him by honest evaluation i.e. change in my thinking and behaviour that values His Ways which is contrary to the worlds.

  131. street says:

    ran into a very thought provoking question yesterday.

    “why do you pray?”

    seems to me we should ask this question beforehand. it really cuts to the heart.

    thinking ahead…..”what is the purpose of prayer?”

    thinking of repentance thanksgiving praise

    thinking of a Vine.

  132. Beloved says:

    A vine like the blessed Holy Spirit twists and turns in its own way! What a wild ride the branches are in for. Praying keeps us connected and stable.

  133. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved for explaining!
    I thought that you didn’t like to talk about taxes.

    So same problem with me.
    But thank you for returning to it, and making it clearer.

    It is actually va very good ❓
    What had taxes to do with spreading the Kingdom?

  134. foreverblessed says:

    Anyway, I wanted to share with you a video on BBC
    “Amsterdam: Bystanders rescue skaters after ice breaks”

    Abc after that video there is another one, about skating outdoors, that it is popular in our country.
    It is a beautiful video, taken of our landscape.

    Maybe you would like to see it, Beloved. I really appreciated it that you mentioned watching a documentary about skating.

  135. foreverblessed says:


  136. Beloved says:

    Thanks forever I’ll look it up!

  137. Beloved says:

    Oh how scary! Hypothermia comes on fast. Too many on the ice at one time. We know all about those dangers here❄️

  138. Beloved says:

    Your country is soooo beautiful! I love the architecture and colors!

  139. Beloved says:

    Why do you pray⁉️ How do you communicate with not only your creator but your best FRIEND! ABBA FATHER

  140. jeff1 says:

    Prayer gives me peace of mind, hope, contentment and makes me feel closer to God.

    I need it to strengthen my faith and see God work in my life.

    As a congregation we pray for those who are sick or bereaved in our communities and also for peace in the world at large so prayer is a way of sharing each others burdens.

  141. Beloved says:

    I just heard yesterday that we feel closer to those we communicate with.

  142. jeff1 says:

    In the come and go,
    In the crush and the flow,
    As you journey through joy and through tears,
    When the years go rushing by,
    When your dreams all seem to die,
    Do you talk, simply talk to the Lord?

    When the wait is long,
    When temptation is strong,
    When your strength and your hope start to fail,
    When you struggle with His will,
    Child, you know He loves you still.
    Do you talk, simply talk to the Lord?

    Father God,
    Sovereign King of all that is!
    Age to age
    Mighty Lord!
    Boundless Love,
    You invite us all to come.
    You will hear
    With Your heart.

    In the stress and strain,
    In the loss and the gain,
    As you do and you dream day by day,
    When your worries raise their voice,
    Do you stop and make the choice?
    Do you talk, simply talk to the Lord?

  143. poohpity says:

    Yes Beloved communication between loved one’s is so essential for relationships to grow and that is not only talking but listening even more so.

  144. street says:

    Yes Beloved communication between loved one’s is so essential for relationships to grow and that is not only talking but listening even more so.

    wondering how the cross is apart of this relationship?

    thinking of two mountains in Joshua, Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim. the mountain of blessing had no alter on in. the mountain of curse did have and alter.

    30 Then Joshua built on Mount Ebal an altar to the Lord, the God of Israel, 31 as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the Israelites. He built it according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses—an altar of uncut stones, on which no iron tool had been used.

    i wonder if there is a blessing without sacrifice?

    is there love without sacrifice?

  145. street says:

    thinking of the implications if the alter were built on the mountain of blessing?

    would we understand grace and mercy?

  146. Beloved says:

    Probably not of course. There was no communication between Jesus and His Father on the cross on that hill called Golgotha (skull). There had to be the Perfect death/sacrifice for sin/death to be defeated once for all.

    Through the years of reading the OT every time I read about an altar being built I felt a sadness I could not explain. I’m thinking it was the temporariness and knowing that Israel was still on their journey at that time. But, then, for the greater good, God does something amazing and opens the way for gentiles also to enter His rest. Once for “all” people’s.

  147. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus, The Cross, and the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit without the work of the Cross, is not working.

    God sends His Spirit, but it is for those who are repentant, who see how lost they are, and that they need a Savior.

    I was thinking about that when reading about king Saul.

    1 Sam 10:9-10
    God changed Saul’s heart…
    the Spirit of God came over him in power, and he joined in their prophesying….

    1 Sam 16:14
    Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul…

    It looked so good: in the beginning of Saul, God changed his heart. Suddenly.
    But was that lasting?
    It is the deep inner man that is tested and tried, do we hold on to our self-will? Or do we surrender to Jesus,
    Not my will, but Your will be done.

  148. foreverblessed says:

    The Lord said to Samuel,..
    “How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel?”

    And Samuel was sent to anoint David…
    A man after God’s own heart
    1 Sam 16:1
    1 Sam 13:14 Acts 13:22

    “something amazing and opens the way for gentiles also to enter His rest. Once for “all” people’s.”
    The heart that has entered in His Rest, the heart that stops his own works, His own self-will has been killed, put to death.
    And resurrected in New Life: Christ in us.

    For anyone who enters God’s Rest, also rests from his own works, just as God did from His.
    Hebrews 4:10

  149. jeff1 says:

    If That Isn’t Love

    He left the splendour of Heaven
    Knowing His destiny
    Was the lonely hill of Golgotha
    There to lay down His life for me

    And if that isn’t love
    Then the ocean is dry
    There’s no stars in the sky
    And the little sparrows can’t fly

    Yeah, if that isn’t love
    Then Heaven’s a myth
    There’s no feeling like this
    If that isn’t love

    Even in death He remembered
    The thief hanging by His side
    Then he spoke of love and compassion
    And He took him to paradise

    And if that isn’t love
    Then the ocean is dry
    There’s no stars in the sky
    And the little sparrows can’t fly, ohh

    Yeah, if that isn’t love
    Then Heaven’s a myth
    There’s no feeling like this
    If that isn’t love, it’s got to be love

  150. poohpity says:

    street, should we rely on the old covenant which you seem to share more often than that of the new covenant? What happened in the OT was only a foreshadow of what was to come which was predicted from the foundation of the world.

    If communication is not important to any relationship even more so with our relationship with God then what say you about prayer? Part of prayer is not only talking but also more importantly listening to what God has to say. Going to God first. The Cross is the foundation to our relationship with God because we have to be declared cleansed before we can approach the throne.

    If you ever read the OT and the sacrifices that had to happen even to approach God then you would understand the relevance of the sacrifice of Jesus for our relationship with God. It is all about relationships. God wanted a relationship with Adam and Eve but they hid from Him because of their failure to follow His direction.

  151. SFDBWV says:

    The “Bible Project” “God’s Wisdom on Display” I received this morning was quite interesting in its concept. I am not quite sure I agree with it completely, but it did have an adoptability from the OT to the NT.

    I actually have never heard the idea that the Mosaic Laws were more of a concept in wise living than a ridged law.

    Something new to ponder…

    When looked at from their point of view it makes how things look different from the teaching of Jesus. Not in opposition to His teaching, but rather perhaps as a clearer understanding.

    Not going to try and segue my comment into this subject, just wanting to share something some of you might look at yourselves.

    16 degrees f and sunny with warnings of heavy snow tonight and all day tomorrow.


  152. poohpity says:

    street so how do you apply the two mountains to our relationship with God?

  153. poohpity says:

    Steve, wasn’t Jesus the fulfillment of those Mosaic Laws and weren’t they given so we could understand our sinfulness and not think we have not sinned?

  154. Beloved says:

    Viv shopping online now I found some really really good maple oats from Ireland and Cherry jam from Britain. Sooo good! I’m trying to go Keto now, maybe Regina has some good tips. It’s so hard giving up grains!! I didn’t realize how many I eat during the day. But this will bring my sugars down. Not wanting to have to use insulin.

  155. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, I could not find it on youtube. Maybe they will post it later.
    ( This is off topic, but I go with Steve thinking about it, as quite a few comments are about OT and NT anyway.

    Having been raised in a church that accepted Christ, and the Cross, but yet had many OT laws too,
    This question❓: what was the purpose for these laws if Jesus would replace them anyway?
    Why not just skip them and have Jesus right from the start?
    This has been a great deal to me, ( 25 years ago, that is, I have been quieted now on this subject)

    Saying that they were just a wise concept of living and not ridged law, seems an odd explanation to me.
    Why would people be killed if they broke the Sabbath rule?
    Pretty severe punishment for just “a wise concept of living”.

  156. Beloved says:

    Netherlands must have a food I can order. Forever any suggestions?

  157. foreverblessed says:

    But now, it can be viewed as a wise concept of living:

    It is healthy to rest in the weekends. To not always work.
    But it is not holy time anymore. Jesus is Holy.

    (I am watching a series about China, how they spread around the world. The Chinese always work, make long long hours. They are amazed at the weekend off, for those in Europe. They keep working. That is not “wise”.)

    It is healthy to eat good food, (we followed the clean and unclean meat law of the OT, so I never ate porch, or seafood, the crawling creatures)
    Paul says that if you say a prayer of thanks, then the food is good to eat.
    So I could prepare porch, say thank you to God, and then it is not “unclean” anymore.
    (What was that uncleanness in the first place? It is gone with thanksgiving?!)

    But it is wise to eat healthy.

    ( Beloved, have you tried the full grain diet, so that when you eat grain, it is full grain.
    Full grain, It was hard to get in the US, maybe it is better now.
    So not white rice but the full grain rice, I believe you call that “brown rice”. )

  158. foreverblessed says:

    Porc, not porch

  159. jeff1 says:

    Good to hear, Beloved, I personally just like original oats which we name porridge and its a good healthy breakfast but of course having a sweet tooth I add a little sugar😒.

    Having had sugars done for a year so happy to be in denial when it comes to them.

  160. Beloved says:

    Yes I love full grain but too many carbs which is bad for diabetes😞

  161. Beloved says:

    Oh I know the river called “denial” very well🤣

  162. Beloved says:

    Do you mean pork? It is how we spell it anyway. Yes Jews were told not to eat pork but probably because it used to carry “ Trichinosis, also known as trichinellosis, is a parasitic disease caused by roundworms of the Trichinella type.[1] During the initial infection, invasion of the intestines can result in diarrhea, abdominal pain, and vomiting.[1] Migration of larvae to muscle, which occurs about a week after being infected, can cause swelling of the face, inflammation of the whites of the eyes, fever, muscle pains, and a rash.[1] Minor infection may be without symptoms.[1] Complications may include inflammation of heart muscle, central nervous system involvement, and inflammation of the lungs.[1]

    Gross isn’t it.

  163. Beloved says:

    Some sea foods are also bottom feeders- they eat debris/garbage just like pigs will eat anything. I’m sure there is a spiritual meaning behind it though. Unclean-clean

  164. Beloved says:

    Acts 10:9-16
    New International Version
    Peter’s Vision(A)
    9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof(B) to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.(C) 11 He saw heaven opened(D) and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

    14 “Surely not, Lord!”(E) Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”(F)

    15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”(G)

    16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

    Forever the group you were raised with seemed to be stuck on the Law. I’m thankful you found grace!

  165. SFDBWV says:

    Wed 2/17/2021 5:10 AM


  166. SFDBWV says:

    I tried to post the web address for Bible Project, but it would not allow it, sorry.


  167. street says:

    thinking of the story of Jesus feeding the thousands and having 12 baskets of leftovers in Mark. later a gentile asks for bread crumbs from the Masters table. His generosity and abundance is unknown and unheard of in this world. this world can not receive the truth. thinking we were pulled from a raging sea. thinking adversity draws us to Christ because we are so far from Him. how can they return if they have not heard or known? we are now without excuse. our only hope is mercy.

  168. street says:

    thinking of the a relationship and behavior. being a sinner relationship are impossible. if a relationship depended on behavior we all would be sunk. if we have a relationship that matters then our behavior would matter too. even our thinking and passions would matter too.

    the law could not save. it can not give life. Jesus gives us His Holy Spirit that was poured out on the cross. yet it was not till Pentecost that His Spirit was received. John mentioned that grace and mercy began to flow after it was determined by the roman spear in Jesus side.

    knowledge will be done away with along with prophecy, but Jesus remains the same. even death had no hold on Him.

    come Lord Jesus, be Lord and Deliver over our circumstances. to be still and know you are God.

  169. street says:

    thinking of a roman cross. the cross was cut with metal tools and erected. the cross is a work of man. what happen on the cross is a work of God who rested from all His works on the 7th day.

    we see Jesus, Lord of the Sabbath, working on the Sabbath. His work was redeeming that which was lost. restoring what was taken/lost.

    22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a Man [a]attested to you by God with [b]miracles and wonders and [c]signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of [d]godless men and put Him to death. 24 [e]But God raised Him from the dead, putting an end to the [f]agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held [g]in its power.

    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and [an]Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

    37 Now when they heard this, they were [ao]pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “[ap]Brothers, what are we to do?” 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far away, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on urging them, saying, “[aq]Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand [ar]souls. 42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to [as]prayer.

  170. street says:

    never to be separated again.

    14 but I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion, but of your own free will. 15 For perhaps it was for this reason that he was separated from you for a while, that you would have him back forever, 16 no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

  171. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, I am too!
    Thankful that I found grace!
    But I am amazed how much Law abiding there is in mainstream christianity.
    People who see the Sunday as Holy Time.
    Leave each other alone!
    Everybody on their own pace, behind Jesus.

    So to make a statement that it is not about followingthe 10 commandments, but walking in faith behind Jesus,
    That is a step way too far for most in mainstream christianity.
    To me it is clear, that is one advantage of having been in a Las abiding church:

    The deep conviction that it is about a personal rekation with Jesus:
    Becoming quiet in His presence, to hear His voice, particularly for me, personal guidance. No 10 commandments could fulfill that role.
    He lighting my path, bring a lamp for my feet:
    That is talking about the guidance through the Holy Spirit

  172. foreverblessed says:

    Ok, Steve, so I have to go to their website!

  173. Beloved says:

    Our friend Regina lives in a state -Texas- that is having terrible ice snow and cold that roads are closed and people are having to stay warm in their cars because electricity is out in many places. Some deaths so far also. They are not equipped for this kind of weather so pray for her. My sister is in NW Louisiana and schools are closed all week. She’s got electricity so far- I sent her a shovel lol. They don’t have them down there. She’s excited to get it even though it will be in the 60’s again when it arrives. Very crazy! weather coming down from Antarctica because it’s so warm up there.

  174. foreverblessed says:

    Praying for Texas!

    Here the snow is gone, and the ice.
    It made me think;
    “How fleeting is life..”

    There is a hymn with these words in it, but it doesn’t come back to me yet. Maybe Jeff knows?

    On ODB it is about singing!
    How good that is for us, and our connection to God.
    And how good for people with dementia!

    I am also involved in an oecumenical service in the Nursing Home, where I give drawing classes.
    For almost a year we cannot go into the chapel.
    But when we did, I saw how good it was for people with dementia, when singing the old hymns from their youth, their faces would light up, and revive them.

    My vision is to have a nursing home, where there is a chapel where every morning there is a worship service with singing.

    The point is, here in my town there is an old people’s home with a chapel, with a service every morning, at 10 o’clock.
    But….it is Catholic, and many protestant people living there do not feel at home in a Catholic service. The songs are different, all the rituals are different, and the religious wording is different. And besides they strictly are not allowed to take part in the Eucharist.
    At the moment I am trying to ask the catholic monks to have an oecomenical service once a week, or once a month.
    I have started asking one pastor who works there, he was positive about the suggestion.
    Then he asked the catholic pastor, and she said: Oh no, that is out of the question!

    So if anyone of you has a prayer for this, if God gives you a prayer, thanks!

  175. foreverblessed says:

    Yesterday I wanted to add to my comment of 1.58 pm, but it failed, and the site was inaccessible for hours.
    I am not talking about being allowed to break the 10 commandments:

    Following in the Holy Spirit,
    obeying the still small voice we hear speak to us when we become still before God,
    if we do that we will never break the 10 commandments.

    “Against such things there is no law”

    (I remember Street having written here, years ago, that if we only follow the 10 commandments we are just doing the bare minimum, and we are unprofitable servants. So then you know what Street thinks about the OT)

  176. foreverblessed says:

    Mart added this to the topic:

    “Steve, Street, and others, I think the question as to why the Holy Spirit couldn’t come until Jesus left is important. I’m wondering whether it has to do with our Father’s unfolding plan– where some things have to happen before others will be/can be revealed.”

    Beloved mentioned Acts 2:33
    Jesus ascending on high and receiving the Spirit from the Father

    It makes me think of the visions of the Temple, where the fountain of water,
    The river was coming down from under the south of the temple, south of the altar
    Ezekiel 47:1

  177. jeff1 says:

    I think of my youth and how I must have grieved the Holy Spirit with my uncaring thoughts and hatred towards my enemies.

    Yet, God did not give up on me but opened my eyes to seeing that wandering from His Ways had impaired my vision.

    He used my dad who was obedient to His leading for me to see how far I was from His Ways.

    Today I stand in awe.

    1 He leadeth me: O blessed thought!
    O words with heavenly comfort fraught!
    Whate’er I do, where’er I be,
    still ’tis God’s hand that leadeth me.

    He leadeth me, he leadeth me;
    by his own hand he leadeth me:
    his faithful follower I would be,
    for by his hand he leadeth me.

    2 Sometimes mid scenes of deepest gloom,
    sometimes where Eden’s flowers bloom,
    by waters calm, o’er troubled sea,
    still ’tis God’s hand that leadeth me. Refrain

    3 Lord, I would clasp thy hand in mine,
    nor ever murmur nor repine;
    content, whatever lot I see,
    since ’tis my God that leadeth me. Refrain

    4 And when my task on earth is done,
    when, by thy grace, the victory’s won,
    e’en death’s cold wave I will not flee,
    since God through Jordan leadeth me. Refrain

  178. bullwinkle11 says:

    Just a quick update on Texas, I moved down here last fall to get away from the cold up north. We did see temps in the low single digits and windchill factors well below zero. They have been using rolling blackouts to protect the electrical grid from overload. I am hoping that is over as we have had power overnight. Texas is not prepared for an arctic blast!!
    Quick thought on the recent discussion: Jesus told us to 1. Love God and 2. Love others. If we are following these two commands/suggestions, we will not stray from following the 10, our relationship with God and man will be within God’s will for our life.

  179. Beloved says:

    Good reminder Viv thanks!
    Ephesians 4 29Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

    30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and tenderhearted to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you.

  180. street says:

    the importance of loving God.

    loving man is temporal

    loving God is eternal

    God is love, temporal love is not of God.

    no love no life.

    God is True no Truth no God

    Spirit and Truth come from God.

    thinking some do not know what spirit they are of. the darkness has blinded them.

    they must be born again.

    minds must be renewed.

    the old man must be mortified by the Spirit.

    if you love the world the love of the Father is not in you.

    the law on paper can not satisfy the heart mind and soul, please Lord your Spirit.

    Father for Spirit and Truth in heart mind and soul.

    for Rest Unity Joy in Jesus

  181. jeff1 says:

    Jesus, full of truth and grace,
    Holy with a human face,
    Bound with us in flesh and bone,
    Filling life with love alone;
    Drawing truth with flawless art,
    Sharing all the Father’s heart.
    Grace and truth fill every breath,
    Boundless life complete in death!

    Jesus, King of truth and grace,
    Craving neither rank nor place,
    Humble, homeless, born in shame,
    Owning just Your holy name,
    Emptiness Your only choice,
    Listening for Your Father’s voice,
    Paying all that faith demands,
    Dying in Your Father’s hands.

    Jesus, Gift of truth and grace,
    Heaven wears a smiling face!
    Reigning at the Father’s right,
    Bathed in splendour, robed in light!
    All that love has planned is done.
    All is open! All may come!
    God of truth and God of grace,
    Christ has brought us face to face!

  182. Beloved says:

    Love that verse Viv!

  183. foreverblessed says:

    Me too!
    Good to say out loud many times

  184. foreverblessed says:

    On Utmost it is on drudgery.
    Doing chores,
    But that Jesus showed his everything that we do can be lifted up into something beautiful.

    Washing feet was a very dirty job. Done by the least of them.
    Something like cleaning toilets in our days.
    Nobody wanted to do it, like in church, when nobody would like to clean the toilets, then comes the pastor, takes of his good clothes, and puts on work clothes, and starts to clean the toilers, all the while singing praise songs!

  185. foreverblessed says:

    As a housewife I have felt the drudgery.
    It took me some years to see it from the point of view of Jesus.
    In fact, when washing the feet, He showed women that menial tasks had His blessing too.

    Nowadays women can find work, and a career, but there have been times, when the mental tasks were for them.
    And Jesus showed the way, that all that we do, done as to Him, is greatly blessed.

  186. foreverblessed says:

    Great respect for Steve, who did not think it to be below himself, to serve at home! Menial tasks, drudgery.
    Done as to Jesus, singing praises in the heart.

  187. poohpity says:

    Green energy has it’s place but only if the weather permits then comes fossil fuels to the rescue. However we could not go to Mars without fossil fuel but the rover has to wait on the sun to repower it’s batteries to move around on that planet. One would think if they can put something on Mars then why can not the Government figure out something for the power on earth well maybe it is because it is from the brains of private citizens and not the government that solves problems, the government only makes more problems.

    “In “Mere Christianity” C.S. Lewis recommended asking ourselves some questions to find out if we are proud: ” How much do I dislike it when other people snub me, or refuse to take any notice of me…or patronize me, or show off?” Lewis saw pride as a vice of the ‘utmost evil’ and the chief cause of misery in homes and nations. He called it a ‘spiritual cancer’ that eats up the very possibility of love, contentment, and even common sense.

    The more we worship God, the more we’ll know Him and the more we can humble ourselves before Him. May we be those who love and serve with joy and humility.” ODB 02/20/21

  188. street says:

    Think Further

    Having dealt with the religious leaders, Jesus now turns to the crowd, urging them to “Listen … and understand” (14) a small parable (verse 17 clarifies that verse 15 is a parable). The disciples, like the crowd, do not understand its meaning (cf. 17, 18). This episode harkens back to Mark 4, where Jesus teaches many things in parables but neither the crowd nor the disciples understand. The disciples, however, seek an explanation from Jesus, and, although He rebukes them for not understanding, He explains (17–23) (cf., Mark 4:10, 13–20,34). Similarly, our lack of understanding should drive us to Jesus.

    This parable teaches that moral contamination comes from within rather than without. The human heart is the source of evil intentions and contaminants. In their pursuit of purity, the Pharisees have gone astray, focusing on outward ritual, forgetting that moral purity is a matter of the heart. Moses had addressed people’s obstinacy and urged them, “Circumcise your hearts” (Deut 10:16), Later, when Israel was exiled to Babylon, Ezekiel promised the people that God would cleanse them and give them a new “heart”. (Ezek 36:25–27). Jesus alludes to this promise when he informs Nicodemus that people must be “born of water and the Spirit” to enter God’s kingdom ( John 3:3–5).

    The Bible tells us that the first act of disobedience in the garden has affected the entire human race and that our resultant behavior has contaminated us (eg. Rom 1:18–32). The wretched human condition originates in the heart, giving rise to our need for cleansing and renewal. In much secular thought, this is an offensive teaching, but the Bible also reports the good news that Jesus can cleanse us from all contamination and that God specializes in heart transplants.

    Read 1 John 1:5–10. Are you aware of what contaminates you? Come to Jesus, whether for the first or the umpteenth time, and let Him cleanse you.
    scripture union 2/19/21

  189. Beloved says:

    Good morning/evening all. In light of all the troubles in Christianity and the world in general I’m reminded of what’s important.

    Hebrews 10:23 NIV
    Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.

    May we all hold fast to the One who holds us fast, Jesus our LORD and savior.

  190. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Foreverblessed for your kindness. In truth I have never considered my chores and duties to be anything except labors of love. They are a privilege and a blessing for me to be able to accomplish.

    It is interesting that I seem always to be connected to God. Talking with him as I go about the day. Sometimes asking for help and sometimes thanking Him, yet always connected.

    Relaxing a bit here at the computer and listening to some music, I once again stumbled upon the song “The Green Fields of France” and “The Band Played Waltzing Matilda”. Not sure why these and others such songs have such an effect on me.

    A time when so many died in the “war to end all wars”.

    The night before the battle of Fredericksburg during the American Civil War it is said that General Lee and his aides could see the Arora Borealis in the night sky and thought it a good sign. Since, there are some who wrote the phenomenon to be the tears of God.

    Any who want, may see a good reproduction of the event and the battle in the movies “God’s and Generals”.

    Man’s inhumanity to man, all in the name of God, or as they, both sides to both wars I have mentioned, thought so.

    Cloudy day at 27 degrees f with colder temperatures called for and 18 inches of snow on the ground with piles of plowed up snow 5 to 6 feet high.


  191. Beloved says:


    14You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What have we gained by keeping His requirements and walking mournfully before the LORD of Hosts? 15So now we call the arrogant blessed. Not only do evildoers prosper, they even test God and escape.’ ” Malachi

  192. jeff1 says:

    The more we worship God, the more we’ll know Him and the more we can humble ourselves before Him. May we be those who love and serve with joy and humility.” ODB 02/20/21

    The way I get to know God is through having the humility to submit to Him.

    I spent years worshipping God to no avail as until my heart was convicted I was deceiving myself as to my heart’s condition.

    I was trying to keep the commandments so I thought I was doing all right until God revealed truths to me that convicted my heart and I realised the sin was mine.

    Beloved, I believe the wretchedness of the heart is not just offensive to the secular minded but that’s just an observation and I am not trying to be argumentative.

  193. Beloved says:

    Oh absolutely

  194. Beloved says:

    Light hates darkness

  195. Beloved says:

    ◄ John 1:5 ►
    King James Version
    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

  196. Beloved says:

    That should read “Darkness hates the light”

  197. Beloved says:

    “The wicked have a never-dying worm, and the Godly a never-fading crown. Oh how should this be a spur to virtue! How willing should we be to work for God! Though we had nothing here,God had time enough to reward His people. The crown of eternity shall be set upon their head.” -Thomas Watson (A Body of Divinity, 64)

    “And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.” (1 Peter 5:4)

  198. jeff1 says:

    Eternal Light! Eternal Light!
    What soul can bear Your searching sight?
    What heart, so open, pure, and true,
    Can live and calmly gaze on You?

    The glowing spirits round Your throne
    All serve where sin is never known.
    Their eyes can bear the burning bliss
    Beyond a darkened world like this.

    But how can I, a native here,
    Before Your blazing eyes appear?
    Can I, a creature of the night,
    Endure Your uncreated light?

    Praise God, You come to us in Christ!
    In Him our darkness all is light!
    O Fire of all-consuming grace,
    In Christ we stand here face to face!

  199. Beloved says:

    Question my fellow thinkers.

    Our wed night study (which is during the day) is the book Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund-The Heart of Christ for Sinners and Sufferers. In our study this week I realized that when I asked Jesus to come into my heart and save me from my sins some 40 years ago now that I didn’t know Jesus at all. Just that it was important to trust Him so I wouldn’t die and go to hell. It’s been a long process but so good. My question- and this may sound weird to some- is, are we in Gods heart just as we feel/believe Jesus is in ours? I’ve not made the connection before. We talked about icons and how they have no value and particularly pics of caucasian Christ. But to think that I am in Gods heart ❤️ blows me away. Perhaps that’s why David persisted in seeking Gods heart? That joy of fellowship that never changes? I’m breathless.

  200. Beloved says:

    I think God is healing some abandonment issues I have now. He’s been faithful to me.

  201. street says:

    Ephesians 1and 2 did Paul choose Jesus?

  202. Beloved says:

    I know that God cannot lie. This brings me great peace and comfort. To be chosen before I was born for love and good works I have to remind myself sometimes.

  203. street says:

    another place i go is 1John1 when times get tough or confusing. that which we have heard from the beginning, God of Genesis 1:1 .

    to come back to God and be refreshed and renewed, the world beats us down and all the stuff we have misunderstood, just like the Apostles.

    He will complete the work in us that He began. take His yoke and learn from Him, humble and gentle. faultless and perfect, someday us too.

  204. Beloved says:

    Thank you those verses are helpful.

  205. Beloved says:

    the world beats us down and all the stuff we have misunderstood, just like the Apostles.

    That is a very good point.

  206. foreverblessed says:

    That is really great Beloved, the bonding, that is going on with me too.
    God loves us so dearly. He wants to be so close to me!
    He wants to tell me how much He loves me, dearly dearly.
    He does not look at my failings, they are covered in Jesus,
    Look to Me and be saved.

    In faith we are covered, and cared for, and protected. As much as we do not react to our old man. We have to let the old man be killed.

    As we react to the old man we frustrate the Holy Spirit.

    But…..if we look to Jesus, and receive the Words He is saying to us:
    Can I accept them. How dearly He loves me, how He longs that I come closer to Him, and rest in Him.
    If I have said the Jesus is my Savior and Lord. He is, do He takes care of me. I do not need to worry anymore.
    But at the same time I have counted the cost, if Jesus suffered, I am no more than He, He suffered, and when I am in Him, I will suffer. I learn to see that that does not mean He has forgotten me, as Job thought, but that He is with at my side, going with me in the valley of death.

    Anyway, to revel in that love, to give myself over to that Love, that is the bonding issue.

  207. foreverblessed says:

    Are we in God’s heart?

    One day you will realise that
    I am in my Father,
    and you are in Me
    and I am in you.

    John 14:20

  208. jeff1 says:

    Breath of God, unbounded Spirit,
    Sovereign power and mystery,
    Holy fire, now recreating,
    Cleansing, shaping what will be.
    O Wind of God, great Breath of God,
    Your life fills eternity!

    Death consumes the world around us.
    Bones now mock what might have been.
    Hope is gone, and all is barren.
    Can our people live again?
    O Wind of God, great Breath of God,
    Your power none can comprehend!

    Breath of God, unbounded Spirit –
    Hear the wind of heaven blow!
    See them rise, a mighty army!
    Watch His promise overflow!
    The Lord is life! The Lord is God!
    And soon all the earth will know!

  209. Beloved says:

    Thanks all you encouragers! I also read more answers* to my question about being in Gods heart.

    18 will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19In a little while the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.
    21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.

    The one who loves Me *will be loved by My Father,* and *I will love him*and reveal Myself to him.”

    23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. *My Father will love him,* and We will come to him and *make Our home with him.*

    I think that’s hard for children to understand unless they are truly loved by their caregivers and shown what love looks like. Yet Gods love is greater still? How blessed some are to grow up with Godly caregivers. Yet because of Jesus’ example we all can know and see Gods love in action so to speak. Oh the depths of the riches….!

  210. Beloved says:

    I just read this, it reminded me of what street said about misunderstanding and the world beating us down:

    Fear not your weak body; we are immortal till our work is done. Christ’s labourers must live by miracle ; if not, I must not live at all, for God only knows what I daily endure.

    The Works of the Reverend
    Letter DCCCXXX
    p. 345

  211. Beloved says:

    Forever it’s a blessing to me that you shared you also are learning about Gods bonding love, thank you. ❤️

  212. poohpity says:

    How do we know that Christ lives in us through the Holy Spirit? When we love others.

    1 John 4: Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God remains in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit.

    If Jesus had remained it seems the greater good would only be with the immediate church in the times of Jesus on earth not the worldwide church. The church means a body of believers not a building or a religion, it means a personal relationship with Christ. We needed the Holy Spirit to take that message of the Good News throughout the world because only through it’s power could we accomplish what God had intended.

  213. Beloved says:

    Thanks Pooh but I’m still working on the bonding🤣

  214. poohpity says:

    Believers through the centuries have given their lives to take that message around the world and sacrifice the comfort and security of not saying anything to being reinvigorated and lead by the Holy Spirit to share what they have found in a redeemed relationship with God. They showed love by not only words but in actions that proved their words to be true.

  215. poohpity says:

    My comment was not directed at you Joyce but was more speaking about, “For the Greater Good”. The Beloved part was what John called those who Jesus loved in his letter. I am sure that everyone is still working on the bonding rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to work in us and bringing the change and transformation in our New Life in Christ. We are all in the process of change!

  216. Beloved says:

    Ok no problem

  217. Beloved says:

    For the greater good I shut my mouth

  218. foreverblessed says:

    John 14:23
    Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. *My Father will love him,* and We will come to him and *make Our home with him.*


    There is a condition.
    While God always loves us, nothing we can do that makes Him not love us.

    That God could live in us, has a condition.
    And that could make me uncertain again.
    How do I know that I do what Jesus commanded?

    And then starts the doubting again:
    Not good enough….

    We are never good enough, only when we are wrapped into Jesus, by faith, er are in Him, and He is in God.
    Jesus brings us back into God’s heart.

    Here is the thing…
    If we work on the bonding with God,
    then His Life will flow out of us, that is automatic.
    and we will spread the Kingdom to those around us.

    Like a river, flowing out of each heart that is connected to the Vine,
    Hearts, little hearts of christians,
    ( You are the temple of the Holy Spirit)
    And out of the altar of our body, a stream flows, nothing can stop it. Only if we act out of our old man, then we block the flow of the Spirit.

    So if we have quarrels, and dissentions and arguments here, we know we live out of the old man.
    I myself have to stop it, and turn to Jesus instead.
    That is following His commands.

    Dear beloved of God, keep yourselves focussed on Jesus!
    Our Savior
    And the Lover of our souls.

  219. Beloved says:

    Pooh I’m sorry I provoked you-I didn’t mean to- but I said that in jest to make fun of my own dumbness and slowness of learning.

  220. Beloved says:

    How are you feeling?

  221. Beloved says:

    Health wise

  222. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I was not provoked in the least. I was just letting you know my comment was about the topic not you so as to put your mind and thoughts to rest. I have been feeling much better with new food choices and more exercise, thank you for asking.

  223. jeff1 says:

    When all you see is darkness,
    And pain is all that’s real,
    When empty words and promises
    Don’t change the way you feel,

    Child, be still,
    Be still,
    Be still and know I am God.
    Be still,
    Be still,
    Be still and know I am God.

    When heaven doesn’t answer
    Your deep and desperate prayer,
    When grief for those so near and dear
    Is more than you can bear,

    Remember, I am always good,
    Though shadows hide my face.
    Don’t ever fear what lies ahead,
    For all I am is grace.

  224. Beloved says:

    Pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pains. It is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.
    C.S. Lewis

  225. jeff1 says:

    It’s so easy to say, “In God we trust”
    When life is radiant and fair,
    But the test of faith is only found
    When there are burdens to bear-
    For our claim to faith in the “sunshine”
    Is really no faith at all
    For when roads are smooth and days are bright
    Our need for God is so small,
    And no on discovers the fullness
    Or the greatness of God’s love
    Unless he has walked in the “darkness”
    With only a light from Above-
    For the faith to endure whatever comes
    Is born of sorrow and trials,
    And strengthened only by discipline
    And nurtured by self-denials-
    So be not disheartened by troubles,
    For trials ae the “building blocks”
    On which to erect a fortress of faith
    Secure on God’s “ageless rocks.”

  226. street says:

    So he went on to assure them that the Friend he would send “Will take you by the hand and guide you… He won’t draw attention to himself, but will make sense out of what is about to happen and, indeed, out of all that I have done and said.” The Message.

    1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
    will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a]
    2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
    my God, in whom I trust.”

    3 Surely he will save you
    from the fowler’s snare
    and from the deadly pestilence.
    4 He will cover you with his feathers,
    and under his wings you will find refuge;
    his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
    5 You will not fear the terror of night,
    nor the arrow that flies by day,
    6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
    nor the plague that destroys at midday.
    7 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand,
    but it will not come near you.
    8 You will only observe with your eyes
    and see the punishment of the wicked.

    9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”
    and you make the Most High your dwelling,
    10 no harm will overtake you,
    no disaster will come near your tent.
    11 For he will command his angels concerning you
    to guard you in all your ways;
    12 they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
    13 You will tread on the lion and the cobra;
    you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

    14 “Because he[b] loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;
    I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
    15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
    I will be with him in trouble,
    I will deliver him and honor him.
    16 With long life I will satisfy him
    and show him my salvation.” Psalm 91

  227. Beloved says:

    Psalm 94 was especially comforting for me the other night when I was overwhelmed and could not sleep. I slept peacefully afterwards as it felt like God Himself was reading it to me. Oh blessed Holy One!

  228. Beloved says:

    , this I proclaim to you. 24The God who made the world and everything that is in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by hands; 25nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; 26and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might feel around for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28for in Him we live and move and [u]exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His descendants.’ Paul preaching in acts 27

  229. street says:

    this unknown God revealed to you in Christ Jesus whom i proclaim to you risen from the dead. appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

    23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

    “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

  230. jeff1 says:

    Almighty the life of our risen Redeemer!
    Almighty the Spirit of Jesus outpoured!
    The wind and the fire are the fruit of His promise,
    The sign, the assurance, the proof He is Lord.

    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
    Fill every person with all that You are!

    Your glory, Your presence, Your power for service,
    Your confident boldness through life and through death,
    Your love and Your gladness, Your wide-open giving,
    The wonder, the beauty of breathing Your breath –

    You call and equip us, You grow us together,
    Now leading, now teaching, now forming each one.
    You help us to know what is far beyond knowing:
    The life and the love of the Father and Son.

  231. foreverblessed says:

    What a wonderful song about the Spirit.

    Reminds me of the verse:
    His divine power has given us everything we need…

    From odb yesterday.

    Street mentioned:
    “..God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
    John 4:23

    That reminds me of:
    1 Peter 2:4-5
    As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

    Offering spiritual sacrifices,
    What is that….

  232. jeff1 says:

    I think of our Post Communion Prayer.

    Almighty God,
    we thank you for feeding us
    with the spiritual food
    of the body and blood of your Son Jesus Christ.
    Through him we offer you our souls and bodies
    to be a living sacrifice.
    Send us out in the power of your Spirit
    to live and work to your praise and glory. Amen.

  233. Beloved says:

    The truth is more readily seen when we compare the weakness of the disciples just before the crucifixion (“everyone deserted him and fled,” Mk 14:50Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)) with their boldness after the Holy Spirit had come upon them (“the apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name,” Ac 5:41Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)).

    I have friends that still struggle with self-esteem and because of this are always looking for help from secular gurus both inside and outside the Church. What occurs to me is that as Christ’s own, bought with His precious blood, we are better than esteem- worthy we are the glory of God as shown by Christ Jesus who glorified God in his body physical and spiritual. So why the Holy Spirit? Our comfort, guide, teacher of all things pertaining to God!

  234. Beloved says:

    As God glorifiers what is our mission? To love, serve even die as Christ died for us; giving Himself for love and of course a ransom for many. Nothing about pedestals or self-pride. To lift up Christ we must die.

  235. Beloved says:

    God glorifiers: Be holy as I am holy.

  236. Beloved says:

    “weakness of the disciples“
    We were no different except the Holy Spirit.

  237. Beloved says:

    Except “for” the HS

  238. Beloved says:

    11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him,

    were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

    14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.

  239. street says:

    pray for steve and state many are without power since the storm went through last week. i would think they would be better prepared than tx for things like this. never the less, so no one falls through the cracks.

  240. Beloved says:

    I saw an article about W Virginia that they had to replace the same power pole 3 times as trees kept falling on it. I can see where the storm would be more difficult with the terrain they have- not flat like Texas is mostly right? Praying for Steve and Regina in Texas also as we have not heard from her either.

  241. foreverblessed says:

    May God be with you all, in cold in winter.
    The cold is gone here.
    And it is way too warm, like spring, we have had lunch in the garden. Yesterday the sun was bleak, it was Sahara sand, there has been a storm in the Sahara, and with the south wind brought here.

    From ice and snow to sahara sand, within one week.

    But whatever the circumstances, Jesus is with us.
    I read in a christian devotion that we have to be more afraid about spiritual unrest in our soul and faith than about storms, outward circumstances, guard the inner peace in Christ, above all!

  242. foreverblessed says:

    Worshipping in spirit and in truth:

    The Holy Spirit was showing by this ( the once a year entering of the high priest in the inner room)
    that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
    This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshipper.
    They are only a matter of good and drink and various ceremonial washings- external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
    Hebrews 9:8-10

  243. foreverblessed says:

    The time of the new order,
    That we worship God in spirit and in truth.

    Because of Jesus
    The blood of Jesus
    Hebrews 9:11-15

    11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!

    15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

    This topic is about the Holy Spirit,
    Because of Jesus we can now enter the Most Holy Place, in Spirit, our spirit connected to the Holy Spirit.

  244. foreverblessed says:

    Actually, this topic is about that Jesus had to go, in order for the Holy Spirit to be sent.

    Ellicott’s commentary on John 16:7:

    For if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.—Better, . . . the Advocate will not come unto you. (Comp. Excursus G.) For the connection between the departure of Christ and the coming of the Advocate, comp. Notes on John 7:39, and Acts 2:33. We may not fathom the deep counsels of God in which the reason of these words is to be found; but the order fixed in these counsels was that the Son of Man should complete His work on earth, and offer the sacrifice of Himself for sin, and rise from the dead, and ascend to the Father’s throne, before the Advocate should come. The Son of Man was to be glorified before the Spirit was to be given. Humanity was to ascend to heaven before the Spirit could be sent to humanity on earth. The revelation of saving truth was to be complete before inspiration was to breathe it as the breath of life into man’s soul. The conviction of sin, righteousness, and judgment could only follow the finished work of Christ.

    So far Ellicott.

    But that the water comes from south of the Altar, in the Temple, it shows a reality in heaven, the Spiritual Reality, Jesus coming in heaven presenting Himself as the sacrifice, He presents His own blood, in the Most Holy Place, that was sprinkled 7 times, for our sakes.
    Cleansing us, healing us, making our conscience clean.

    We can sing praise, for that Salvation.

  245. jeff1 says:

    1 Praise, my soul, the King of heaven,
    to his feet your tribute bring;
    ransomed, healed, restored, forgiven,
    who like you his praise should sing?
    Alleluia, alleluia!
    praise the everlasting King.

    2 Praise him for his grace and favour
    to our fathers in distress;
    praise him, still the same as ever,
    slow to blame and swift to bless;
    Alleluia, alleluia!
    glorious in his faithfulness.

    3 Father-like, he tends and spares us,
    All our hopes and fears he knows;
    in his hands he gently bears us,
    rescues us from all our foes:
    Alleluia, alleluia!
    widely as his mercy flows.

    4 Angels, help us to adore him;
    you behold him face to face;
    sun and moon, bow down before him,
    praise him all in time and space.
    Alleluia, alleluia!
    praise with us the God of grace.

  246. poohpity says:

    rhetorical questions:
    How often do I share what the Lord has done in my life and the difference He has made in my heart through the power of His Holy Spirit? For me not nearly enough.

    Am I stuck on the prayers I think He has not answered that prevent me from moving forward in my relationship withHim?

  247. Beloved says:

    Fruits of the spirit comes to mind as I think about your rhetorical. We can’t produce them only the Spirit of God can. Either I show fruit or I don’t. It’s that plain and simple.

    I’ve been watching about the Welsh revival of 1905. Wow! The Holy Spirit made such changes in people they had to fire the police force because there was no crime and bars closed because there was no one wanting liquor. They said the mules that worked in the coal mines could no longer understand the workers and had to be retrained because the men had quit swearing and beating them. 100,000 people believed Jesus, repented and received the blessed Holy Spirit. It’s an amazing thing. What God can do.

  248. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, amazing!!!
    Rees Howells, the Intercessor.
    A book I have cherished!
    The Holy Spirit spoke so clearly to him!

    But…this is what I learned about that revival:

    Years and years beforehand, of humble praying, people in one accord in their unity in Christ. Old people, old ladies, sick people. Powerful, but hidden work.

    We see the revival, and the powerful work of the Holy Spirit, that gave the Church it’s power.
    But we do not see the preparatory prayeers. The hidden people that pray.

    And then Rees Howells starts praying too, Intercessory prayers.
    In the Spirit world, God works in those prayers.
    I pray that christians unite, humbly, in prayers and worshiping God together..
    We have a 40 day prayer program now, up to Easter.

  249. Beloved says:

    The one I spoke of was started by Evan Roberts. There are wonderful videos on YouTube.

  250. Beloved says:

    Forever I got some Rip Van Wafels yesterday-Dutch caramel and vanilla. Oh my how good😊

  251. Beloved says:

    About revivals I was thinking how when God changes a culture he doesn’t use politicians. In our country there is too much emphasis on which politician is most Christian compared to others and many Evangelicals here think they are doing Gods will by backing them. Couldn’t be farther from the truth! Jesus changes people!

  252. poohpity says:

    The way I was using rhetorical question was not to elicit information but to make one think about themselves and their own relationship with the Lord.

    I do not think about whether one politician is more Christian than another because I know there is no way I can judge or determine what anyone’s relationship is with the Lord. I am not God so I do not know the condition of anyone’s heart except my own and often I even deceive myself about my own heart condition. It is never my business about anyone else. Charles Stanley once said, “I may be surprised by who is not in heaven and also surprised about those who are there”.

  253. bratimus says:

    With Christ going to prepare a place for us, the then arrival of the Holy Spirit. This is the way we get all of God.

    How much do we give God of ourselves.

    Now that we have all of God.

    Is it an equal exchange of giving.

    In Christ Jesus name


  254. Beloved says:

    the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.
    “he is using a common figure of rhetoric,
    language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.


  255. Beloved says:

    There is no greater blessing than pain and sickness.
    Horatio Bonar

    I am greatly blessed.

    Let patience have its perfect work.

    Scripture is only understood by suffering.
    Martin Luther

  256. foreverblessed says:

    We have everything we need in Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1:3

    What hinders us?

    It is our self-will.
    Christians who in their own self-will want to implement the Law of God.

  257. foreverblessed says:

    We have all from God, what more do we want?

    God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.

    In the OT God is often described as God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob.

    I have shared it here before. It is from a bible study of Watchmen Nee, a Chinese christian.

    God of Abraham stands for God the Father, He is the One who calls
    It is God who called Abraham out of Ur.
    God of Isaac, stands for Jesus, the Son, Who provides for everything we need. Issac was born in a family, everything was provided for him.
    So you could say: Everything is arranged, everything we need is there, what more do we need.

    There it comes: the self-will of mankind. Man wanting his own way, even if it is according to the las of God, he still brings it forth in his own way, not waiting on God.
    Jacob stands for that self-willed man.
    And it is the Holy Spirit Who guides us, directs us, trains us. Jacob was sent to Laban to meet his counterpart.

    The God of Jacob, stands for the Holy Spirit Who trained Jacob.

    And Jacob came to the end of himself, totally in despair, facing Esau, he fought with God in the night, at Pniel.
    There He surrendered to God, and God blessed him.

    Jacob stands for many christians who have the Law of God as their guide, but who make it happen through their own self-will. Just as I was, like the older son of the parabel of the lost son.

    Working and working, having dubious schemes to make it happen, the first birthright.
    O dear.
    So we set about preaching the Gospel, and not waiting for the Holy Spirit to prompt it.
    Not having crucified their old man, as Jacob did, but he was around 90 years old when he was at Pniel.

    While Jesus said: My Kingdom is not of this world. He did not come to save Israel from the Romans. He saved Israel from their sin.
    And not only Israel, but the whole world!
    If we surrender to Him.
    And lay aside our self-will…
    Our self-determination.

    Pniel, means, you come to the end of yourself, at a dead end, and don’t know how to proceed. Calling to God in despair.
    Poor in spirit we are at that point. Matthew 5:3
    And there is the point God can come to us, and we are His.

    And the Holy Spirit is flowing through us, and guiding us, and step by step going before us through the Beatitudes
    Matthew 5:3-12

  258. foreverblessed says:

    And indeed, through suffering we find to that point of total surrender to Jesus.

  259. foreverblessed says:

    Come to that point of total surrender,
    Being found by God, Who searches for us, leaving the 99 to go after the one who is lost.
    I did have to smile when I heard that Billy Graham died, being 99 years of age.
    Even in his death God gave a message;
    The Good Shepherd who goes after the lost.

    Beloved, “stroopwafels” are a big treat here. Very very thin wafels, with honey or syrrop in between. Very very sweet. Are they good, the ones you found? I have had them before the non sugar stroopwafels, but they do not taste good at all. I would rather have a banana 🤣

  260. foreverblessed says:

    In fact, O was thinking, God had this Plan long from the beginning:
    God the Father
    God the Son
    God the Holy Spirit.

    The dance of God, three in One.

    And He longs for us humans to be part of Him.
    Through the veil, that is the body of Christ, we may enter into His sanctuary

  261. jeff1 says:

    Through It All

    I’ve had many tears and sorrows
    I’ve had questions for tomorrow
    There’s been times I didn’t know right from wrong
    But in every situation
    God gave me blessed consolation
    That my trials come to only make me strong

    I’ve been to a lot of places
    And I’ve seen millions of faces
    But there were times that I felt so all alone
    But in my lonely hours
    Yes, those precious lonely hours
    Jesus let me know that I was his own

    That’s the reason I say that
    Through it all
    Through it all
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus
    I’ve learned to trust in God

    Let me tell you that
    Through it all
    Through it all
    I’ve learned to depend upon his word

    So I thank God for the mountains
    And I thank him for the valleys
    And I thank him for the storms he brought me through
    For if I’d never had a problem
    I’d never know that God could solve them
    I’d never know what faith in his word could do

    That’s the reason I say that
    Through it all
    Through it all
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus
    I’ve learned to trust in God
    Let me tell you that
    Through it all
    Through it all
    I’ve learned to depend upon his word

    Oh, let me tell you that
    Through it all
    Sometimes in through fire
    Through it all
    My-my-my Lord
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus
    I’ve learned to trust in God (and I can see trust in God)
    Through it all
    Let me tell you that
    Through it all
    Oh, God Lord
    I’ve learned to depend upon his word
    I’ve learned to depend upon his word
    I’ve learned to depend upon his word

  262. jeff1 says:

    Sometimes It Takes a Mountain

    I faced a mountain
    That I never faced before
    That’s why I’m calling on You Lord
    I know it’s been a while
    But Lord please hear my prayer
    I need You like I never have before

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your love is so much stronger
    Than whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust You and believe

    Forgive me Jesus
    I thought I could control
    Whatever life would throw my way
    But this I will admit
    Has brought me to my knees
    I need You Lord and I’m not ashamed to say

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your love is so much stronger
    Than whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust You and believe
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust You and believe

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me (get a hold, get a hold of me)
    Your love is so much stronger
    Than whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust You and believe (trust You and believe)

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust You and believe

  263. Beloved says:

    Forever yes they are very very sweet and I have a box so thinking of sharing them with my neighbors as they are individually wrapped. Not something to eat very often.

    I was already going to post but read your comments first and you ask what hinders us from understanding we have everything we need in Christ?
    This offers another explanation, it’s from Scripture Union which I get in email each day.

    Opening Prayer
    Lord, Your touch is all I need.

    Scripture Reference
    MARK 8:22–26
    22 And they *came to Bethsaida. And some people *brought a man who was blind to [a]Jesus and *begged Him to touch him. 23 Taking the man who was blind by the hand, He brought him out of the village; and after spitting in his eyes and laying His hands on him, He asked him, “Do you see anything?” 24 And he [b]looked up and said, “I see people, for I see them like trees, walking around.” 25 Then again He laid His hands on his eyes; and he looked intently and was restored, and began to see everything clearly. 26 And He sent him to his home, saying, “Do not even enter the village.”

    a Mark 8:22 Lit Him
    b Mark 8:24 Or gained sight

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    “One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!” (John 9:25). Thank You, Jesus, that You have enabled me to see who You are.

    Think Further
    Today’s reading describes a strange event – a two-stage miracle that only Mark has recorded. It is odd that Jesus’ saliva and touch result in only a partial healing and that the blind man needs a second touch. In consideration, this event is spectacular at best and unintelligible at worst –until it is understood in the light of the disciples’ condition and Jesus’ remedial education of them. Yesterday, we learned that the disciples suffer from poor vision; today, Jesus uses a blind man as a visual aid to clarify the disciples’ lack of (in)sight and how they might be cured.

    The peculiarity of this episode is not that Jesus heals a blind man but that it occurs in two stages. After Jesus has applied saliva on the blind man’s eyes and laid his hands on him, we would expect the man’s sight to be restored right away, but instead it is blurry. So, Jesus re-applies His touch, and this time the man’s sight becomes clear. It is unlikely that Jesus has misjudged His powers, so we must look for another explanation for this anomaly.

    Jesus leads the blind man out of the village (23), so the disciples are probably the only witnesses to this miracle, implying that this is all for their sake. If so, what does Jesus want the disciples (and by extension us) to learn from this peculiar event? I suggest that the man’s progressive healing from blindness to blurred vision to clear sight is reflective of the disciples’ gradual progress in understanding Jesus’ identity, teaching, and mission. In other words, the two-stage healing of the blind man mirrors the disciples’ understanding, showing that insight into the things of God is progressive and requires a divine helping hand. The next episodes will confirm this reading.

    Reflect on those areas in your understanding of God that are less clear and ask Him for insight.

    Closing Prayer
    Lord, all of us are born blind to the things of God. Heal our lack of insight day-by-day as we progressively see things more clearly.

  264. poohpity says:

    Beloved, thanks for the definition of “rhetoric” now look up a “rhetorical question” there is a big difference as you will find. One means a bunch of meaningless words “rhetoric” while the other takes us into self evaluation. A lot of people spew rhetoric, words with no meaning often used to spin or tell lies empty or devoid of any good. We hear that everyday in the news, social media and from politicians as well as those who do not walk their talk, often it is only rhetoric with no life application or meaning just like forever said about the older brother in the parable about the “Prodigal Son”. However Bratimus gave very good “rhetorical questions” in his comment as another example.

  265. Beloved says:

    Viv your song is so true. Isn’t it so great to know He is actually holding on to us even when we let go!?!?!?

  266. Beloved says:

    Pooh I don’t want to talk about rhetoric any more.

  267. Beloved says:

    I just need Jesus this morning.

  268. poohpity says:

    Forever, I might consider Abraham as a very subtle reflection of God yet not really but what did Isaac do to lay down his life for the good of many or how does Jacob represent the Holy Spirit since he was held tight by the flesh and deception and no dependence on God until later in life??? Doesn’t sound anything like the trinity to me or a reflection thereof unless one does not really know God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

  269. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, please read carefully what is written.

    Let me talk about Jacob first:
    Jacob does not represent the Hy Spirit,
    But the God of Jacob.
    I remember you saying the same thing the last time. So I described it with great care.
    Jacob represents us, the self-willed man.

    But the God of Jacob brought him through the lessons he had to learn. God, representing the Holy Spirit, led him to Laban. And in Laban Jacob found his even-knee. He was tricked by Laban, and suffered for it, do did Leah and Rachel.

    God works everything out for the good.
    It is God who was with Jacob, the God of Jacob, who brought Jacob to the point of not knowing what to do anymore, at Pniel. He had no more tricks, it was over.
    And there He met God, and surrendered.

    So it is how the Holy Spirit will guide us to the point of total surrendering to Jesus.
    The God of Jacob represents the Hy Spirit, not Jacob himself.

  270. poohpity says:

    Forever, I understand the writing of Watchman Nee about the Patriarchs I just do not understand your interpretation of what he wrote nor do I believe they go together but rather it sounds like a misunderstanding of what Nee wrote about and yes I carefully read what you wrote that has changed since the last time you wrote about it and yes I have said the same thing each time without changing because I do not believe that is what Nee had intended. Here is an example:

    “Watchman Nee draws upon the experiences of the Old Testament patriachs and presents their lives as an allegory of the complete Christian experience. From our response to God’s promises by faith to our ultimate transformation into sons who are conformed to the image of Christ, we must pass through the same life experiences of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Like Abraham, we have been given the promise of God for the inheritance; like Isaac, we can enjoy all that God has planned for us in Christ His Son; and like Jacob, we must experience the discipline of the Holy Spirit for the sake of our growth and transformation.”

  271. jeff1 says:

    I have asked myself this question today because I wonder why so many do not believe in the existence of God.

    If I hadn’t been born in a Christian country and brought up in the faith would I believe in God today?

    The modern world has many more distractions than the ancient world or even the world I was born into and if I myself find those distractions are overwhelming and I have faith in God I wonder what it must be like for those who believe this is as good as it gets.

    Why do I have a strong faith while other family members and friends do not voice such belief and wonder why I do.

    They too were brought up in the faith and walked away from it so what makes one person react differently to another?

  272. foreverblessed says:

    “and like Jacob, we must experience the discipline of the Holy Spirit for the sake of our growth and transformation.”

    So there you have it.
    How God treated Jacob, that is how the Hy Spirit leads us.
    Exactly as I have said all the while.

    Pooh, I get the impression you do not want to see what I write, For the sake of argumenting you gainsay what I write. And then you come to the same conclusion of what I had said from the beginning.
    I do not understand why you do that.
    I ask for patience from God to undergo this treatment of you.

  273. foreverblessed says:

    But it is lovely how Abraham and Isaac showed something about God the Father and God the Son,
    In their own lives:
    When Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son,
    Abraham was given the opportunity to go through the stages God Himself had to go through.
    That is just beautiful!!!

    AND that Isaac was willing to be sacrificed. Isaac apperantly was willing to be bound on the altar. He showed the willingness of Jesus, to go to the Cross.
    He showed the heart of Christ, Who said:
    Here I am, .., I have come to do Your will, O God
    Hebrews 10:7

  274. Beloved says:

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    Courage to change the things I can,
    And the wisdom to know the difference.

    Best prayer I know when dealing with misunderstanding.

    Because we can’t truly understand what others have gone through; and some of us have been through things others can’t even imagine. Only Jesus knows all about us and loves us ragged cracked pots. I take His example as best I can. One thing I’ve learned slowly through the years is that not everything needs to be taken personally. It’s often someone else’s spillage from wrestling with their own demons. I’ve wrestled some myself. I’m a mess, but for Christ! I’m His mess.

  275. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, yes so it is: God understands.

    I just read your comment, on the Blurred vision.

    How appropriate!!!
    Jesus must have had had and lots of patience with the disciples.
    And with all of us. With me too, and still is patient with me!

    That is why the healing was not find at once. Often wondered about that!

    Lately I was thinking that any mother who has been with little children raising them, being a “housewife”, has had the experience Jesus had with the disciples, and with mankind in general.
    It is nothing to look down on, but yo greatly appreciate.
    (It is the same for ” house-men”)

  276. Beloved says:

    You mention raising children Forever. When I was little we were told something by our parents one time, if you didn’t keep doing it the right way we were severely punished. When I had my own children I knew I was never going to punish them as I had been. But what I noticed was that as they grew they often needed the same reminders again- because their little minds were growing and changing constantly. I like to think Jesus deals with us the same way in our sanctification. Except He took the punishment we deserved! Oh that’s so grand! Growing in grace we are, Amen thank you Jesus❤️

  277. foreverblessed says:

    I do not know, if I have shared it here before. About not understanding how my brother treated me.
    God did not explain to me, untill I confronted him, a few years ago.
    nd it was done by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I heard Him speak clearly, now you do the next step:
    Matthew 18:16

    I have shared that here. But what happened after that I have not shared.
    My brother suffered under harsh treatment by my parents, they considered spanking a child a Godly way of raising children. If we did something that was wrong we got a spanking. I remember that, they did not do that in anger, at least not to me.
    But my brother hated it. He explained to me that he had sworn at that time:
    That nobody would hurt him anymore.
    And nobody would tell him what to do.

    That oath he made, was the reason he could not work together in an harmonious way. When we would organised for the youth of our church, he would be like a dictator. Only things he thought up were good to him, if I would bring in suggestions he would consider them as a threat to his authority.

    He accused me of wanting to take over his position in the church hierarchy.

    And I just could not remember that I ever wanted that.

    Now I understand what is going on:
    As long as he does not break the vows he has made in his dismay,
    Break them in Jesus’ Name,
    “Dear Lord, I have said that nobody tells me what to do, I break this promise to myself in Jezus’ Name I pray.

    Unless he does so, he is in a prison.
    He cannot take suggestions from others. Neither orders.

    He is also the kind that does not want to pay taxes.

    I know that God is with him. The Holy Spirit will lead him to that point. I cannot do that, all though I have given him this advice, but because “nobody tells him what to do” is on his mind he cannot accept it from me.

    Now I understand what has gone wrong. And it is totally of my back now.

    Breaking bonds I had in the past, in Jesus’ name is what I have done after having left my childhood church.

    Unhealthy ties we had….
    Have we broken them in Jesus’ Name?
    Have we said that now Jesus is Lord over our heart? ❤️

  278. Beloved says:

    Forever I think that only Jesus is the bondage breaker. When He shows us our need for Him we are healed just like the blind man. In our defiance-like your brother-we have decided that not even God can help us because as I myself asked for a long time “Where were you God when I was being hurt?”. Yet we know He runs to meet the one (the prodigal) who having no where else to go decides to come Home. Compassion comes to mind. Loving patience ❤️

  279. Beloved says:

    I noticed that the reason the prodigal came home was not for love of his father but because he was broke and hungry and hoped his father would give him a job. He knew where to get help but did not expect a party! Oh the joy your brother will find from the Father and all the angels when he gets to the end of himself. Pray it will be sooner rather than later. I pray with you.

  280. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very very much for your prayer. That really touched my heart.
    I too do believe that only Jesus is the bondage breaker, and the Holy Spirit is the One Who brings us to our knees.

    So I bless the work of the Holy Spirit, and I say thank You, O God, for bringing us to our knees. As You have gone to me.
    You found me, and raised me out if the pit.
    You still show me where I miss the mark❣️.
    But You do not condemn me for missing.
    Thank You, O God, for Your patience with me. And I trust You, that You give me patience, and take over my heaviness.

    Thank You for the Cross, not only for me, bug all my loved ones.
    And for this blog participants and their loved ones. And anyone You lay on their minds.

    May we see the working of the Spirit, where He brings people to our attention.
    ( I just saw the children of the lady opposite bout house, as she closed nthe screen. The boys wanting to look outside.
    May God bless them, and their mother)
    And above all, my brother. He is a dearly beloved son of God. May God cherish him and comfort him.

  281. jeff1 says:

    I can recall my dad telling me not to listen to my mum because of her instability of mind but little did I know that my brother and I would inherit that instability.

    It seems it is very difficult if brought up in an environment not to be affected by it.

    I have adapted to living in my own mess but find it increasingly difficult to try and live with another’s and probably why I find this world so overwhelming at times.

  282. foreverblessed says:

    And please bless Beloved, strengthen her, give her Joy, Your Joy.
    In Jesus’ Name I pray.

  283. SFDBWV says:

    Mark 1:11 KJV “And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Mark 1:12 KJV “And immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.”

    The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    56 degrees, sunny and a very welcome gift.


  284. jeff1 says:

    1 Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    in light inaccessible, hid from our eyes,
    most blessed, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    almighty, victorious, thy great name we praise.

    2 Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    nor wanting, nor wasting, thou rulest in might,
    thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    thy clouds, which are fountains of goodness and love.

    3 To all, life thou givest, to both great and small.
    In all life thou livest, the true life of all.
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    and wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.

    4 Great God of all glory, great God of all light,
    thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight.
    All praise we would render; O help us to see
    ‘tis only the splendour of light hideth thee.

  285. Beloved says:

    My joy is full!

  286. foreverblessed says:

    Thank God! I am also very very much encouraged.
    I was looking for a PDF of a book of Watchmen Nee, Changed into His Likeness.
    But instead, I found
    The normal christian life.

    And it is so good!

    Blurred vision, the blind man could not see at once.
    There may be another meaning to that.

    It is explained in” Normal christian life”, by Watchmen Nee.

    The blood of Christ is for the forgiveness of our sins. That’s how we start as s christian. Our sins, so they are many, they are forgiven. Romans describes that up to Romans 5:11.

    But then starts the next phase, the internal civil war: though we are forgiven, sin still crawls at our door: we are sinners, and we can’t help it.
    God has solved it, by the Cross! When Jesus died on the Cross, we were in Him, and we died in Him. Our problem us solved by our death, death in Christ.
    And resurrected to Newness of life.

    Two phased. We first saw a little bit: our forgiveness,
    And now we see deeper: we are totally New in Christ.
    Because God has put us in Christ. Hiss Word is true!


    Our crucifixion can never be made effective by will or by effort, but only be accepting
    what the Lord Jesus did on the Cross. Our eyes must be opened to see the finished work of Calvary. Some of you, prior to your salvation, may have tried to save yourselves. You read the Bible, prayed, went to Church, gave alms. Then one day your eyes were opened and you saw that a full salvation had already been provided for you on the Cross. You just accepted that and thanked God, and peace and joy flowed into your heart. Now salvation and sanctification are on exactly the same basis. You receive deliverance from sin in the same way as you receive forgiveness of sins. For God’s way of deliverance is altogether different from man’s way. Man’s way is to
    try to suppress sin by seeking to overcome it; God’s way is to remove the sinner. Many Christians mourn over their weakness, thinking that if only they were stronger all would be well. The idea that, because failure to lead a holy life is due to our impotence, something more is therefore demanded of us, leads naturally to this false conception of the way of deliverance. If we are preoccupied with the power of sin and with our inability to meet it, then we naturally conclude that to gain the victory over sin we must have more power. `If only I were stronger’, we say, `I could overcome my violent outbursts of temper’, and so we plead with the Lord to strengthen us that we may exercise more selfcontrol. But this is altogether wrong; this is not Christianity. God’s means of delivering us
    from sin is not by making us stronger and stronger, but by making us weaker and weaker. That is surely rather a peculiar way of victory, you say; but it is the Divine way. God sets us free from the dominion of sin, not by strengthening our old man but by crucifying him; not by helping him to do anything but by removing him from the scene of action.

    End of quote.

    ( Death of the old man, as Street often sais, we have died in Christ, it is a blurred vision, until we see fully, Yes it is already done, and we are New IN Christ.)
    Praise God!!!

  287. foreverblessed says:

    Our eyes must be opened to see the finished work of Calvary.

    From a burred vision to a full view!

  288. foreverblessed says:

    4.36 is the long version
    4.38 is the short version
    Laughing 🤣😂

  289. Beloved says:

    A Christian should keep two books always by him, one in which to write his sins, that he may be made humble; the other in which to write his mercies, that he may be kept thankful.
    — Thomas Watson

  290. jeff1 says:

    O Your goodness! O Your greatness,
    Light of every soul and star!
    Dazzled by Your endless wonders,
    None can fathom all You are.
    Every passing generation
    Sings what all Your children know.
    Hymns of all Your mighty mercies
    Bubble up and overflow.

    Yahweh, God of all compassion,
    Always grace in all You do,
    Patient and forever faithful,
    Mercy ever moment new!
    O Your everlasting Kingdom,
    Here among us now begun!
    Finish all Your love has started
    With the gift of Christ Your Son.

    All Your goodness, all Your greatness
    Reaches down to those who fall.
    Tender, constant, rich provision
    Flows from You, the All-in-all.
    All You do is right and loving.
    When we cry, You always hear,
    Ever guarding, ever giving,
    Ever God and ever here!

  291. Beloved says:

    I loved the discussion about Jesus today. If we keep our focus on Him in our mind and in our hearts we have confidence in His salvation. I just read this and it’s something to think about:

    “Judas called Christ Lord, Lord; and yet betrayed him, and has gone to his place. Ah! how many Judases have we in these days, that kiss Christ, and yet betray Christ; that in their words profess him—but in their works deny him; that bow their knee to him, and yet in their hearts despise him; that call him Jesus, and yet will not obey him for their Lord.”

    ~ Thomas Brooks 1608-1680

  292. foreverblessed says:

    Our focus on Jesus!
    It is not wishful thinking what He has done for us, but they are facts.
    The fact is: Jesus died on the Cross, to save us!

    When we have faith in Jesus, we are connected to Him! And His life flows through us, reviving us, cleaning us, invigorating us.
    That is the reality!

  293. foreverblessed says:

    We have discussed the Body and Blood of Jesus.
    I come across this bible study of Watchmen Nee, who explains that the Blood of Christ is for forgiveness of sins, explained in Romans 1- Romans 5:11.
    We were bound and now we see, but it is still blurred!

    Then we know that we have been forgiven. That is how we start as a Christian, but as we start our walk with Christ, we find out that we still sin. The internal civil war starts.

    And here is the next opening of the eyes:
    We are not only forgiven: we have died with Christ.
    Described in the next part of Romans, Rom 5:12-Rom 8:29 .
    And that the Cross, where Jesus hang, Jesus having a body, Who encompassed all mankind, He died, and when He died, we died with Him, and that solves the problem of our old man!

    We can fully see that we are in Jesus. Because God has put us there.
    The Word of God is truth!
    We are in Christ, in His Cross, in His burial, and in His Resurrection
    Rom 6:8-14
    The life we live we now live to God, being alive to God in Christ Jesus

  294. foreverblessed says:

    57 degrees is 14 degrees Celsius, that is quite good Steve!
    Then the snow is melting away.
    We had a temperature of 18 degrees yesterday, it was quite warm in the sun. Extra-ordinary!
    Tomorrow the temperature will drop to 10, that is more normal.
    I pray for those in Texas. Drinking water problem 🌊💦

  295. jeff1 says:

    In living and dying, embracing and grieving,
    In losing and gaining and losing again,
    I rest in the arms of a love never changing,
    A goodness, a wisdom, a strength with no end.
    In sunlight and shadows, abundance and need,
    When loving is joy, when I hurt and I bleed,
    When darkness engulfs me, I trust You to lead,
    My Saviour, my Sovereign, my Father, my Friend.

    In living and loving, in learning and growing,
    In rising and falling and rising again,
    I walk in the light of a love never changing,
    A mercy unfailing on which I depend.

    Through suffering and failure, through endless delays,
    My pleasure is speaking and living Your praise.
    Let joyful thanksgiving flood all of my days,
    My Saviour, my Sovereign, my Father, my Friend.

  296. poohpity says:

    I was thinking how much time people put into reading the thoughts and understanding of others but spend hardly anytime learning from the source Himself. There will always be author upon author who will share what they learned from reading the bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit so they are actually third or fourth person accounts of what anyone can find out for themselves in the first person accounts.

    We were given the Holy Spirit according to scripture for many purposes but they all are to help us to know God better and to train us in what is righteousness. So would not reading what another person reads from scripture be more like hearing through the grapevine and not what they Lord is saying to each one of us individually? John 16:12-13

    2 Tim 3: You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

  297. Beloved says:

    Teaching is one of the gifts of the Spirit to the church. You’re talking like Satan again.

  298. Beloved says:


  299. poohpity says:

    Those who belong to Jesus can recognize those who belong to Him as well, it works the same way for those who belong to Satan think they recognize him in others because he has blinded them to anything else.

  300. poohpity says:

    So Beloved, you are saying it is better to learn from other people rather than from God Himself? How fitting for you to think that way, lol.

  301. poohpity says:

    Joyce, you seem to not be able to help yourself can you when it comes to putting me down in some way or calling me names? Is that a sign of an evil heart or a loving heart? No need to answer that was a rhetorical question.

  302. Beloved says:

    The devil and his instruments would soon devour the servants of God, if Christ did not set an invincible guard about them, and cover them with the golden feathers of his protection. Thomas Watson.

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