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Divine Parallels

During three years of public life, Jesus told religious leaders who envied him that he only said and did what his Father told him to say and do.

Hours before his death he told his disciples that— as they had heard the voice of the Father in him— so they would soon hear his voice in the Spirit who would only say and do what he told him to say and do.

Seems to me that these divine parallels can help us not only trust the heart of our Father but also to recognize the voice of the Spirit who now is all about the heart, work, and words of the Son.

What we see in a Son who from the beginning was all about doing his Father’s business, we now have in a Holy presence mediating Christ-like thoughts and actions in our lives.

Three Persons. One God. One purpose: To live, love, cry and laugh together in the wonder of what all of this means not only for us— but for a world that is watching.

Luke 2:41-52

John 5:16-17

John 8:27-29

John 16:12-15

John 15:4-5

Gen 12:1-3

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361 Responses to “Divine Parallels”

  1. bratimus says:

    I have no thoughts or words to add to the topic, it is very well worded.

    God gave us all of God.

    In Christ Jesus name


  2. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, so it is!!!

    God Three in One
    The dance of God….

    We had a preacher come to our church, and he set up three chairs on the podium in a ⭕, and had three people come up and sit there.
    And then he asked another person to come inside the circle ⭕

    That’s us, he said.
    And God invites us in the circle, to eat together, the wine and bread, to dance together, to be joyful together.
    He called it the dance of God.

  3. foreverblessed says:

    Then something happened, shortly after that sermon, I happened to go to the library, and look up in the physics books, the higs particle, just to be updated. And then I found a book that described the basic elements of material: the quarks.

    Protons and neutrons are composed of three quarks.

    Three quarks tightly knit together, with the energy fields shown between them,
    The picture of this looked to me like the Three in One,

    God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit
    Intertwined in a dance


  4. jeff1 says:

    Father of all, we give you thanks and praise,
    that when we were still far off
    you met us in your Son and brought us home.
    Dying and living, he declared your love,
    give us grace, and opened the gate of glory.
    May we who share Christ’s body live his risen life;
    we who drink his cup bring life to others;
    we whom the Spirit lights give light to the world.
    Keep us firm in the hope you have set before us,
    so we and all your children shall be free,
    and the whole earth live to praise your name;
    through Christ our Lord. Amen.

  5. jeff1 says:

    I danced in the morning when the world was begun,
    And I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun,
    And I came down from heaven and I danced on the earth:
    At Bethlehem I had my birth.

    Dance, then, wherever you may be,
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he,
    And I’ll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.

    I danced for the scribe and the Pharisee,
    But they would not dance and they wouldn’t follow me;
    I danced for the fishermen, for James and John;
    They came with me and the dance went on:

    Dance, then, wherever you may be,
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he,
    And I’ll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.

    I danced on the Sabbath and I cured the lame:
    The holy people said it was a shame.
    They whipped and they stripped and they hung me on high,
    And they left me there on a cross to die:

    Dance, then, wherever you may be,
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he,
    And I’ll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.

    I danced on a Friday when the sky turned black;
    It’s hard to dance with the devil on your back.
    They buried my body and they thought I’d gone;
    But I am the dance, and I still go on:

    Dance, then, wherever you may be,
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he,
    And I’ll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.

    They cut me down and I leapt up high;
    I am the life that’ll never, never die.
    I’ll live in you if you’ll live in me:
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he.

    Dance, then, wherever you may be,
    I am the Lord of the dance, said he,
    And I’ll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    “Three years”.

    Not in all of human history has any other man except Jesus of Nazareth, in only three years of public life, had such an impact on all of the world.

    Left to live longer perhaps He would have convinced even His enemies to become His followers and there would not have been been the cross, the passion of Christ.

    So only three years.

    At the intersection of BC and AD there was no electricity as we use it today. No TV, no internet, very few books and even less availability to the ones that did exist.

    Think of it for a moment; the Holy Spirit coming, as He has, transformed these few men and women and effected every person they encountered.

    One of those little aggravations I suffer is wondering why the laying on of hands on someone was necessary in order for them to receive the Holy Spirit.

    At the “Day of Pentecost” “tongues of fire” appeared and sat upon those in the upper room and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit.

    As these individuals began to preach with the anointing of the Holy Spirit, people began to believe in Jesus the Christ.

    And the whole world began to change through the word of mouth and the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of every person who heard the Gospel.

    It is the anointing of the Holy Spirit that enables any one of us to do any work of and for God. Nothing from us, it is all from God through His Son and the work of the Holy Spirit’s presence in us.

    We cannot brag nor take credit, it remains that which the Father has done through the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    23 degrees f under a full moon and starry sky.


  7. Beloved says:

    About the impact Jesus had, I was just reading this:

    Mark8 31Then He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and after three days rise again. 32He spoke this message quite frankly, and Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him.

    33But Jesus, turning and looking at His disciples, rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    Take Up Your Cross
    (Matthew 16:24–28; Luke 9:23–27)
    34Then Jesus called the crowd to Him along with His disciples, and He told them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 35For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and for the gospel will save it.

    36What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 38If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in His Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

  8. jeff1 says:

    Give thanks to God, for He is good.
    His love endures forever.
    Give praise to Him, the Lord of Lords.
    His love endures forever.
    He spread the earth and sea and sky.
    He filled them all with light and life.
    May God alone be lifted high!
    His love endures forever.

    Give thanks to God, for He is good.
    His love endures forever.
    He brought us out from sin and death.
    His love endures forever.
    He stood and stretched His mighty hand.
    He bowed Himself, became a man –
    A gulf that only love could span.
    His love endures forever.

    Give thanks to God, for He is good.
    His love endures forever.
    We join the song that never ends:
    His love endures forever.
    Praise God, from whom all blessings flow!
    Praise Him, all creatures here below!
    Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!
    His love endures forever.

  9. poohpity says:

    What is the business of the Father that I should be doing with the help of the Holy Spirit?

  10. poohpity says:

    Am I living within the “Divine Parallels”?

  11. poohpity says:

    He led me out of the desert
    Brought me into His streams
    River of living water
    Turned my bitter into sweet
    And all my burdens are lifted
    You took the shackles off my feet
    There’s no sound louder than a captive set free

    So let the redeemed of the Lord say so
    Sing of His promises ever more
    Pour out your thankfulness, let it overflow
    Let the redeemed of the Lord say so

    There is joy in the morning
    Springing up in my soul
    There is life worth living
    ‘Cause He calls me His own
    And there’s a hallelujah
    After sweet victory
    And there’s no sound louder than a captive set free
    No, there’s no sound louder than a captive set free

    So let the redeemed of the Lord say so
    Sing of His promises ever more
    Pour out your thankfulness, let it overflow
    Let the redeemed of the Lord say so

    You are my Deliverer
    The freedom I’m livin’ in
    You are my Deliverer
    You are my promised land
    Oh, You are my Deliverer
    The freedom I’m livin’ in
    God, You are my Deliverer
    You are my promised land

    So let the redeemed of the Lord say so
    Sing of His promises ever more
    Pour out your thankfulness, let it overflow
    Let the redeemed of the Lord say so
    Pour out your thankfulness, let it overflow
    Let the redeemed of the Lord say so

    I’ll never be alone anymore
    How could my voice be quiet?
    You’re my Deliverer
    You’re my Deliverer

  12. jeff1 says:

    When I practise kindness, patience, and generosity then I believe I am about my Father’s business.

    When I see the harshness in the world it seems contrary to it so the world would recognise those who live differently and it should attract them to seeing Christ’s Ways are not man’s ways.

  13. poohpity says:

    Yes that is being about the Father’s business. God told us what He requires of us to Micah, one who shared messages from the Lord in which he said, “He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you but to act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God”!

  14. jeff1 says:

    To Swift the Way! To Short the Day!

    In this fast-moving world of turmoil and tension,
    With problems and troubles, too many to mention,
    Our days ae so crowded and our hours are so few,
    There’s so little time and so much to do . . .
    We are pressured and pushed until we are “dizzy,”
    There’s never a minute we’re not “crazily busy,”
    And sometimes we wonder as we rush through the day-
    Does God really want us to hurry this way?
    Why are we impatient and continually vexed,
    And often bewildered, disturbed and perplexed?
    Perhaps we’re too busy with our own selfish seeking
    To hear the dear Lord when He’s tenderly speaking. . .
    We are working so tensely in our self-centred way,
    We’ve no time for listening to what God has to say,
    And hard as we work, at the end of the day
    We know in our hearts we did not “pay our way” . . .
    But God in His mercy looks down on us all,
    And though what we’ve done is so pitifully small,
    He makes us feel welcome to kneel down and pray
    For the chance to do better as we start a new day,
    And life would be better if we learned to rely
    On our Father in heaven without asking “why” . . .
    And if we’d remember as we rush through the day,
    “The Lord is our Shepherd and He’ll lead the way” . . .
    So don’t rush ahead in reckless endeavour,
    Remember “He leadeth” and “Time is forever”!

  15. Beloved says:

    ◄ John 6:37 NIV
    All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

  16. jeff1 says:

    Sometimes I find myself at odds with what the world calls progress i.e. when having a conversation with an eight year old I found myself uneasy as I recalled the innocence of my own youth and here I was talking to the mind of a 40 year old in the body of a child.

    That is why I was glad to read C. S. Lewis on True Progress.

    We have seen so much progress in science, technology, and medicine that has proven to be beneficial, and even life-saving.

    But C.S. Lewis warns that we cannot give a blank check to “progress” in itself. After all, some progress leads to sickness rather than health.

    Progress, but In What Direction?
    A story from The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, the fifth book in The Chronicles of Narnia series illustrates the wrong kind of progress. In the book, King Caspian encounters Gumpas, the Governor of the Lone Islands.

    Gumpas tells Caspian that the slave trade practiced in his domain is an “essential part of the development of the island.”

    Caspian objects to the practice. Gumpas counters his objections by claiming that all the economic indicators prove his case, and he has the statistics and graphs to back it up.

    “Tender as my years may be,” says Caspian, “I do not see that it brings into the islands meat or bread or beer or wine or timber or cabbages or books or instruments of music or horses or armour or anything else worth having. But whether it does or not, it must be stopped.”

    “But that would be putting the clock back,” gasps the governor. “Have you no idea of progress, of development?”

    “I have seen them both in an egg,” says Caspian. “We call it going bad in Narnia. This trade must stop.”

    Caspian’s response reflects Lewis’s contention that not all progress is good. The newly-developed slave trade was an example of “progress” in a direction that would lead to rottenness.

    Turning Back the Clock
    Sometimes we need to go back in order to go forward. G.K. Chesterton says,

    Real development is not leaving things behind, as on a road, but drawing life from them as from a root.

    Though some would object that looking backward for wisdom is like turning back the clock to an earlier century, Lewis answers this objection in his book, Mere Christianity:

    We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be and if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. We have all seen this when we do arithmetic. When I have started a sum the wrong way, the sooner I admit this and go back and start over again, the faster I shall get on. There is nothing progressive about being pig-headed and refusing to admit a mistake. And I think if you look at the present state of the world, it is pretty plain that humanity has been making some big mistakes. We are on the wrong road. And if that is so, we must go back. Going back is the quickest way on.

    Certainly it is never wise to go back to the past simply for its own sake. The past sometimes shows us how to live and sometimes how not to live. The classic proverb holds true: If we do not learn from history’s mistakes, we are bound to repeat them.

    Are We Progressing for the Sake of Progress?
    C.S. Lewis was not afraid to be called old-fashioned or outdated. Lewis gave a classic talk entitled “De Descriptione Temporium” as his inaugural address to his professorship at Cambridge. Toward the end of his address, Lewis claimed to be more a part of the old Western order than the present post-Christian one.

    He acknowledged that while his outlook might seem to disqualify him from having anything important to say, it could also be a positive qualification. He admitted, “You don’t want to be lectured on…dinosaurs by a dinosaur.” On the other hand, he argued,

    “Where I fail as a critic, I may be useful as a specimen. I would dare to go further…I would say, use your specimen while you can. There are not going to be many more dinosaurs.”

    Every day, we move forward toward a goal. Often, this progress is beneficial both to us and those around us. But instead of progressing for the sake of progress, it is always helpful to revaluate our goals, motivations, and end results. Lewis’s advice is not outdated; it is timeless wisdom. To follow it is real progress.

  17. poohpity says:

    Sounds like a parallel to what Paul wrote to the church in Philippi, so we can look at the past to learn, progress and grow to maturity in Christ.

    Phil 3: I don’t mean to say that I have already achieved these things or that I have already reached perfection. But I press on to possess that perfection for which Christ Jesus first possessed me. 13 No, dear brothers and sisters, I have not achieved it, but I focus on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on to reach the end of the race and receive the heavenly prize for which God, through Christ Jesus, is calling us.

    15 Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you. 16 But we must hold on to the progress we have already made.

    17 Dear brothers and sisters, pattern your lives after mine, and learn from those who follow our example. 18 For I have told you often before, and I say it again with tears in my eyes, that there are many whose conduct shows they are really enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 They are headed for destruction. Their god is their appetite, they brag about shameful things, and they think only about this life here on earth. 20 But we are citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior. 21 He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.

  18. poohpity says:

    That was written in about 61 A.D.. Now that is past, relevant to today, for the future. God’s purpose.

  19. poohpity says:


  20. poohpity says:

    The foundation of the writings, wisdom and tales of C.S. Lewis are all taken from being a avid reader of the bible.

  21. jeff1 says:

    Though not all avid readers of the bible have understanding like Lewis hence him being considered one of the most influential writers of his time.

    Certainly seems like a gift from God to my thinking anyway.

  22. Beloved says:

    Bible gateway verse of the day

    I pray that the God who gives hope will fill you with much joy and peace while you trust in him. Then your hope will overflow by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 15:13 (NCV)

  23. SFDBWV says:

    Having a late morning cup of coffee and thought I would look in on BTA again.

    Having re-read Mart’s opening comment and our subsequent topic, it struck me what Mart had stated, that Jesus told the disciples they would hear His voice in the Spirit who would only say and do what He told Him to say and do.

    What struck me is this; do you hear a voice telling you what to say and do?

    Or do you trust instinct? That gut feeling some others I have read as being the unction or “voice” of the Holy Spirit guiding you?

    41 degrees and foggy. We still have 10 inches of snow on the ground with rain in the forecast.


  24. jeff1 says:

    In the past I had pre-conceived beliefs and because I believed they were truths I was not seeking to hear God’s voice but today I am a very different person as life has taught me just how naïve I was in trusting other people’s word.

    I cannot trust my instincts as that hasn’t worked well for me in the past but I have learned to discern when someone is feeding me what suits their agenda and so I have learned when not to listen to others and for me that is progress.

    Throughout the day in my head I talk to God and so I believe that helps me say and do what is right as I trust He is there when I seek Him.

    I have learned to be at peace with God more than I used to as I used to fret and get anxious over my children when I seen them going wrong but I now see over time how God has worked in their lives and realised my fretting was bringing unnecessary stress to me and having mental issues that was detrimental to my well being so I am trusting God more these days without knowing or hearing His voice but just having more confidence in His goodness and that He does know best and I need to stop being a doubting Thomas.

  25. Beloved says:

    …..he only said and did what his Father told him to say and do.

    “If my life is FRUITLESS,
    . . . it doesn’t matter who PRAISES me,
    and if my life is FRUITFULL,
    . . . it doesn’t matter who criticizes me.”
    – – – – John Bunyan (1628-1688)
    Gal 5:22

  26. poohpity says:

    Mart shared John 8:27-29 to help better understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son

    27 They did not understand that he had been speaking to them about the Father. 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. 29 And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”

  27. poohpity says:

    So wouldn’t it make sense that what Jesus said and did would be in line with the authority of the Father and that fits as well with the Holy Spirit since they are One.

    Paul did not spend time in person with Jesus when he walked the earth, nor were the Gospels written until after most of Paul’s letters yet Paul taught the same things that Jesus taught because His Spirit lived in Paul. Paul walked united with the Lord so He taught what the Lord taught.

  28. street says:

    Paul did not spend time in person with Jesus when he walked the earth,

    9 Now [a]Saul, still breathing [b]threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to [c]the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them in shackles to Jerusalem. 3 Now as he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but get up and enter the city, and it will be told to you what you must do.” 7 The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the [d]voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he [e]could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

    12 Boasting is necessary, though it is not beneficial; but I will go on to visions and revelations [a]of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ, who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. 5 In behalf of such a man I will boast; but in my own behalf I will not boast, except regarding my weaknesses. 6 For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me.

    i think Paul learned the Gospel first hand from Jesus, Resurrected from the dead.

    seem to me if we are going to be eye witness we would need eyes of faith/ new Spirit.

  29. poohpity says:

    It seems Paul who was caught up in the third heaven as those verses say and Paul learned the Gospel through the Spirit because the resurrected Jesus did not appear to him as those verses also say but in the form of a blinding light. The resurrected body of Jesus ascended into heaven and has not yet returned that would be the second coming.

    Acts 1: 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” That was the resurrected Jesus that is now sitting in heaven at the right hand of God the Father.

  30. poohpity says:

    That ascension took place way before Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    It has always been an odd thing to me, the training of Paul.

    I want you to know, brothers, that the Gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
    Gal 1:11

    Now, here is the point, whether you believe that Jesus came in person to Paul, as I do, or that you say, that it was revealed through the Spirit. It does not the matter.
    It is not the main point.
    The point is, Paul was instructed about the Gospel, without humans, but straight from Jesus.

    But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the gentiles, I did not consult any man, not did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.
    Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquented to Peter and stayed with him fifteen days. I saw none of the other apostles- only James, the Lord’s brother.

    So I do believe that Jesus personally taught Paul, in Arabia, three years he was aside, so a long time.
    Now we can argue about how Jesus did that, or we can rejoice That Jesus did that.

    For the sake of not wanting to argue, I say, let’s have peace that comes as a gift from Jesus given by the Holy Spirit.
    From the Throne of Grace.
    Where Jesus sits at the right hand of God.
    Love, peace, joy…

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Ok, I won’t be long this morning. I ask how you fellow travelers are taught, and led by the Holy Spirit.
    Have you received the Holy Spirit?
    Is He in you?
    If so does He speak to you in the form of a voice or some other method of communication?

    Personally I am not questioning how Paul communicated with Jesus. Jesus being a part of the Trinity.

    I ask how you receive instruction and guidance from the Holy Spirit, He being the promised comforter and Person whom Jesus promised would come and did at the day of Pentecost.

    Do you hear a voice? Or not.

    35 degrees f and rain. There is still plenty of snow on the ground.


  33. poohpity says:

    Steve very good question. Yes sometimes but not like one person speaking to another.

  34. jeff1 says:

    I ask myself how did I get where I am today if the Holy Spirit was not working in me even when I was oblivious to it.

    God draws His children to Himself otherwise a naïve person like myself would still be believing what others wanted me to believe.

    Why and how God does that is a complete mystery to me but I know God is with me even when I don’t feel His presence.

    It’s too miraculous to explain and the truth is my family who have fallen away from the faith would probably say I had gone of my head again if I was to suggest to them that I believed I was being led by the indwelling Holy Spirit of our
    Lord Jesus Christ.

    There are some truths that are just too hard for those who have distanced themselves from their maker.

  35. poohpity says:

    forever, since I have known you, your stance on scripture is often that it is not to be taken literally in what it says where I believe it is. Not to say there is not imagery used sometimes or associations with the culture to bring the point God is trying to get across but that what it says, is what it says.

    In scripture we are taught that many false teachers will arise so it is important to know when someone is sharing what we have been given or it comes from their own minds. So whether it was the resurrected Christ who taught Paul or the Holy Spirit it is important to know. But you are right the most important thing is that God taught Paul.

  36. foreverblessed says:

    What is important?
    The Salvation through Jesus Christ.
    The Body and the Blood,
    That is very very literal, and the Facts that are real.
    When He died, we were in Him. So we died too. When He rose we rode with Him.
    That is a fact.
    Why, because the Word of God says do. That is very very real.
    And if we would take that more literal, we as a body of christians would be much more One in Christ.

    Steve asked how the Holy Spirit leads?
    I have been thinking about that.
    And I will see if I can write about it.


  37. bullwinkle11 says:

    Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.

    The still small voice of God, how often do I fail to listen? Jeff is correct in that if we act upon our own urges then we are acting in our own strength and fail to please God. Steve talks about acting on the still small voice that we hear from God if we will be quiet enough to listen.

  38. foreverblessed says:

    Wh….When I was in great distress, in 1995, I was praying to God a lot, and it was more in the sense of;
    Save me, O God, for I am so lost.
    I have interpreted your Bible in the wrong way. I have judged about fellow christians, where I should not. Forgive me.
    But save me.
    Talk to me, I want to know what You want of me.

    I do not know the exact words, but something like that.
    What is important, I was very desperate in knowing the truth, and I asked God to show it to me.

    Now how did God teach me?!
    It was most a deep knowing, yes, this is the truth, the comment of just above;
    Jesus Who saved us, and brought us back to the heart of God.
    It is not the commandents that count, it is the heart that God is taking out of us, by the Body of Christ,
    The heart that is unable to follow God, whatever the commandments. God had to take out that heart, and give a new one.
    That is so real, that is done in the Body of Christ. Where He drew all men in Himself on the Cross.
    and the Blood that cleanses us from all sins, anything we have done wrong, all are forgiven.

    But a few times I have heard a real voice, that is that on top of all troubles of losing my childhood church, and all the social bonds, that my husband lost his job, and found a new one, in the south of our country.
    And then I prayed a whole day, “God, what are you doing to me? I have found a prayer group here, and now You take me away from here.!?”
    and at dinner time, when I was in the kitchen, preparing a meal. I heard a voice, and I looked around, and there was nobody.
    Then I realized: this is Jesus!
    The voice said:
    “It is alright, I will be going with you”.

    And the voice repeated it,
    “It is alright, I will be going with you”.

    And a great calm entered my heart. Such a calming voice.
    Now this was God.
    And I do not know, if it was Jesus speaking to me personally, or if it was the Holy Spirit.
    What does it matter?
    They are One, Jesus only speaks what the Father tells Him, and the Spirit only speaks what comes from Jesus.
    They are One.

    I never asked the question whether it was the Father Himself, Who spoke to me.
    Now I think it is s silly question,
    It is the dance of God….
    God, who wants to draw me into the circle of the Three in One.
    They are so tightly intertwined, and we are secure within.
    I liked that song of the dance of God, Jeff, thank you.

  39. foreverblessed says:

    At that time, in 1995, I was really poor in spirit, The first of the Beatitudes, Matt 5:1-13
    And the next Beatitude:
    Blessed are those that mourn…that was applicable to me too.
    And I was comforted, no doubt, that was the Holy Spirit.
    No doubt about that!
    Everytime I would go to a woman’s ministry, and they started to sing hymnals and Psalms, tears would flow. And they were cleansing tears. The Holy Spirit, comforted me there. In singing.
    And in reading the bible, now I would read and it was as flashes of light entering my heart:

    Romans 1:1-7
    Reading it over and over again: the Gospel is about Jesus!!!
    How could I have missed that.
    Not about keeping a sabbath day holy, orca Sunday holy.
    But taking of the table of the Lord, the bread and wine, and remembering that Jesus died for us.

    I had been taking too many things from the Bible too literal. Things that were not the most important anyway.
    And I have judged other people who did not see it the same way as I did, so yes, that was my sin too.
    The so-called christians, I called them.
    So I am sorry for that. And God forgave me.
    And I forgive any who call me a false teacher.

    Just because I do not believe exactly as they do.
    Jesus is greater than our heart, and our finite thinking.
    As long as we focus on Him everything will be made clear.

  40. jeff1 says:

    When I participate in the act of Holy Communion I believe God’s promise of my Salvation.

    I take it literally.

    The minister who gives the bread and wine says:

    The body of our Lord Jesus Christ, which was given for you,
    preserve your body and soul to eternal life. Take and eat this in remembrance that Christ died for you, and feed on him in your heart by faith with thanksgiving.

    The blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, which was shed for you,
    preserve your body and soul to eternal life. Drink this in remembrance that Christ’s blood was shed for you, and be thankful.

    To my thinking that is what makes us One in Christ as the Post Communion Prayer reiterates.

    Father of all we give you thanks and praise,
    that when we were still far off
    you met us in your Son and brought us home.
    Dying and living, he declared your love,
    gave us grace, and opened the gate of glory.
    May we who share Christ’s body live his risen life;
    we who drink His cup bring life to others;
    we whom the Spirit lights give light to the world.
    Keep us firm in the hope you have set before us,
    so we and your children shall be free,
    and the whole earth live to praise your name;
    through Christ our Lord. Amen.

  41. Beloved says:

    Prayers please I’m having covid symptoms

  42. Beloved says:

    “I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.” Proverbs 8:17

  43. jeff1 says:

    Please God, let Beloved be well soon. Have you had the vaccine yet?

  44. Beloved says:

    Seek Jesus find God!

  45. Beloved says:

    No vaccine

  46. Beloved says:

    Reading comments what strikes me are the various shades of Christendom represented here. If scripture is understood so differently then how in the world can the trinity be correctly understood without being effectively disseminated. What’s the point, Mart?

  47. saled says:

    Wow! This topic! The responses!

    Forever’s illustration of the three chairs in the circle and our invitation to dance together. And then the mystery of the protons, neutrons, and quarks. Then I was just blown away by Jeff 1’s song, The Lord of the Dance. Wikipedia educated me about the song that I had never heard, written in 1963. And Steve’s question about how does the Holy Spirit speak to us. So much here today. Hoping for time to get back and write more. I will for sure be thinking about it. And praying for Beloved and her covid symptoms. I know some in their 70’s who have had it and recovered. Don’t give up hope.

  48. jeff1 says:

    We must be ahead with vaccines as over 65’s and those in specialist groups have had first vaccines.

    Thankfully positive responses after receiving vaccine.

  49. poohpity says:

    forever, I was not accusing you or anyone else of false teaching I was just saying that we need to beware that it is out there, all around us. So we need to pay attention just as the bible warns repeatedly which many teachers or preachers also warn against that is why they often say whatever we hear or read to compare it against scripture. So if you took it as me accusing it was not meant that way so forgive me if it sounded that way.

  50. SFDBWV says:

    Certainly I would be amiss to ask something of any of you that I would not ask of myself.

    The presence of the Holy Spirit in any of us is seen by the “fruit” we demonstrate in our behavior.

    This is how we want the world around us to see us. Not like it, but more like Jesus.

    Like our friend Foreverblessed, I too have heard, upon occasion, an audible voice. Usually a rebuke or a warning. And I have more often been under the “unction” of God. Whereas I am driven to accomplish some task of His will.

    Unless you have never experienced that “unction” I speak of I am not sure I can explain it. Other than to say it is an unrelenting drive toward a goal that ultimately succeeds and you know it was not of your doing, but rather an act of the Holy Ghost.

    I have had dreams and visions that I can only attribute to being from God.

    When the Spirit moves through you, you know it, when it is you rather than the Holy Spirit you know that too.

    We are not to quench the Spirit nor ignore Him. Once again when we do we know it by the actions that follow as well as that “still small voice” in your heart that sometimes screams to be heard above our own.

    Have to go now. Thank you all for lending me an ear and listening to my thoughts.


  51. Beloved says:

    I heard an old, old story, how a Savior came from glory
    How He gave His life on Calvary to save a wretch like me
    I heard about His groaning, of His precious blood’s atoning
    Then I repented of my sins and won the victory

    Oh victory in Jesus, my Savior forever
    He sought me and bought me with His redeeming blood
    He loved me ‘ere I knew Him and all my love is due Him
    He plunged me to victory beneath the cleansing flood

    I heard about His healing, of His cleansing power revealing
    How He made the lame to walk again and ’caused the blind to see
    And then I cried, “Dear Jesus, come and heal my broken spirit”
    And somehow Jesus came and brought to me the victory

  52. street says:

    I want you to know, brothers, that the Gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
    Gal 1:11

    20 It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation. 21 Rather, as it is written:

    “Those who were not told about him will see,
    and those who have not heard will understand.”[a]

    22 This is why I have often been hindered from coming to you.

    3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

    thinking of Paul standing in Heaven before the Thrown with the vale removed. seeing Jesus as He Is.

    Paul spoke out of The Person and Presents of Christ. not out of knowledge. knowledge will be done away with. He did not even speak voluntarily.

    15 But I have used none of these things. And I have not written these things so that it will be done so in my case; for it would be better for me to die than that. No one shall make my boast an empty one! 16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast about, for I am under compulsion; for woe to me if I do not preach the gospel. 17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a commission nonetheless.

    17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with [a]cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made of no effect. 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who [b]are perishing, but to us who [c]are being saved it is the power of God.

    to receive Christ is to receive the One Who sent Him. Jesus did return to the Father but He did not leave us orphans. the world can not receive the Spirit of Truth that is from the Father.

    Paul spoke of the difficulty of preaching Christ to an audience that received another foundation. i find it interesting that paul penned the Galatians first.

    Paul saw obeyed the Master Builder. yes it was not voluntary on his part.

    John 20:29
    Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

    thinking how saul died and Paul was a new creation.

    someday a white stone with a new name.

    till then, Your Name be Hallowed now and forever.

  53. Beloved says:

    Viv the vaccine has been available here for several weeks now. Started with healthcare workers and the elderly. I haven’t decided if I want one . I’m feeling much better thank you for praying.

  54. jeff1 says:

    That’s good glad to hear. Had it myself a few weeks back and feeling fine.

  55. Beloved says:

    Mart I feel less confused now.

    Back to the basics of the trinity as decided in the Nicean creed after listening to discussions of the book Simply Trinity by M Barrett all afternoon has brought me back to what is important. And at peace. I get so intensely involved here sometimes. Glad I put down my phone and picked up my new copy of Christianity Today with an article about the book. And thankful for all the scholarly theologians on YouTube.

  56. Beloved says:

    Mart that includes you!

  57. Beloved says:

    Jeremiah 6:16
    Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’

  58. foreverblessed says:

    Praying for you Beloved, and I am very glad that you found peace.
    Mart is bringing up a very dear subject, and the scriptures he gives with them, reading them one after another, makes it again so plain that God is One.
    Jesus only speaks what He hears of the Father, and the Holy Spirit takes from Jesus and gives it to us.

    If I would only speak what I heard vkeari from the Holy Spirit, maybe I would write a lot less here. Is it my own thinking, or from God?

    Pooh, thank you, that is very thoughtful of you.

    I am very very happy with the teachers God gave.
    But it is as one teacher said, was it Oswald Chambers, we only understand from another teacher what the Spirit has already laid in our own hearts.
    If the Spirit had not laid it in our hearts, and we read something from a teacher, it doesn’t land.

    Maybe we were not up to it yet!

  59. foreverblessed says:

    So nice to hear from you, Saled, the dance of God, that message did struck me too. I am so glad I heard that sermon.
    God is Lovely. He wants us to enjoy life, together.

    Last topic, was good too. We converse with each other band God is with us.
    Beloved brought up the blind man, being healed by Jesus in two stages.
    And the same day I read ” the normal christian life”
    The two stages of the Cross, Watchmen Nee explaining Romans, in two phases

    1- Romans 1:1-5:11. The blood of Christ is for the forgiveness of sins.
    Sins, in plural.
    That is how we start as a christian. We are forgiven
    We understand that the slate is clean. Each one has gone astray non his own way. Specific sins that we have committed.
    The elder son, or the wayward son.

    The blood of Christ covers that. God always forgives, if we sin again, and confess it.
    1 John 1:7-9

    That is how we start.
    And then I saw that we see as the man, healed a little, he sees, but it is like trees, people like trees.
    There is another Revelation needed, a deeper one.
    I believe it is the Holy Spirit Who laid that in my heart.
    By conversing here with one another.
    Thank God, He is so good!

  60. jeff1 says:

    Word from the Father, my Saviour, my Brother,
    You fill our flesh with pure life from above.
    What truth and grace, every word, every moment –
    Unchanging faithfulness, unfailing love!

    Great is Your faithfulness! Great is Your faithfulness!
    Morning by morning new mercies I see.
    All I have needed Your hand has provided.
    Great is Your faithfulness, Lord, unto me!

    Great is Your faithfulness when, in Your anguish,
    You freely pay what compassion demands,
    Silently suffering unspeakable sorrow,
    Love pouring out from Your head and Your hands.

    Great is Your faithfulness when life seems finished,
    Hopelessly silent and sealed in the grave.
    Then love explodes in full power and glory,
    Boundless, triumphant, almighty to save!

  61. poohpity says:

    There is a difference in a Spiritual relationship with God through the Holy Spirit and a physical relationship. Faith and hope are Spiritual matters that can not be seen or heard but acted on. Physical things seem mostly relevant when we can use our five senses to make sense of things but in spiritual matters it is different, we may not use fleshly senses to make sense of them.

    Col 2: And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.

    8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

    11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

    13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

    16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

    20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

  62. jeff1 says:

    It is when I submit to the indwelling Holy Spirit that I conquer any evil thoughts or desires as it is the work of God and not any righteousness on my part.

  63. poohpity says:

    Yes I agree. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that transforms us into the likeness of Christ. It seems if we try to do it ourselves the results are pride and ego without a real transformation at all but only a like-a-like that only lasts for a moment not a life time. The real heart condition eventually finds it’s way to the surface.

  64. poohpity says:

    Masks do have to come off to reveal the real person and if one is really in a relationship with the Lord He seems to make sure they do.

  65. Beloved says:

    3 in One

    44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”

    45Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

    46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem.

    48You are witnesses of these things.

    49And behold, I am sending the promise of My Father upon you. But remain in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

  66. jeff1 says:

    With confidence we face the day,
    Rejoicing as we rise.
    Since You, O Lord, are sovereign King,
    With joy we lift our eyes.

    You reign in righteousness!
    You reign to heal and bless!
    Your reign is nothing less
    Than everlasting peace!

    All thanks, all praise, all glory be
    To You, O God Most High!
    All history sings of all You are,
    And heaven and earth reply:

    Your justice is forever sure.
    No enemy will stand,
    For You are wisdom, love, and power,
    And all is in Your hand.

  67. Beloved says:

    I Am the True Vine
    15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

  68. jeff1 says:

    You long for us to know You, Lord.
    You shine through all You do.
    Yet all this world can only give
    A fleeting glimpse of You,
    A whisper, Lord, of You.

    But all Your glory, all You are
    Is blazing through Your Son.
    Transcendent, undiminished God
    With flesh is fully one,
    With us is fully one.

    We gaze at Him, and we are changed.
    His holy likeness grows.
    But all His glory, all He is,
    No earthly eyes can know,
    No mortal mind can know.

    We soon will see Him as He is
    And know as we are known,
    Forever full, forever free,
    Immersed in You alone,
    Complete in You alone.

  69. Beloved says:

    Dear Viv and Forever please pray while I go through a medication change. It’s taken a few weeks to stop one my new doc said was no different than a placebo which surprised me but still struggled with anxiety attacks. (Covid and social isolation have not helped!!). Starting a new one today but will take a few weeks to get the full effect. This one has good reviews and results. I actually used it when I could afford it when I was working but it became too expensive with pay cuts during a recession in 2008. Now I have good insurance so praying it will give me a better quality of life for however much longer I have here. Always looking forward to that Day of meeting Jesus face to face! For now driving and socializing are overwhelming. But I know that Jesus is right with me feeling my pain. It helps so much hearing his voice in the dungeon. I can do all things- suffering especially- through Christ who strengthens me by knowing well (having experienced himself) my infirmities.
    Thank you friends.
    Matt and Steve come to mind also.

  70. jeff1 says:

    Dear Beloved, I will certainly pray that your medication change works well for you and I understand what you are saying about Covid and social isolation as I know many who are finding it difficult.

    Glad things are better insurance wise and pray all goes well.

  71. Beloved says:

    Thank you for caring, I signed up for my vaccine on Wednesday. I’m sure that will help ease the distress.

  72. jeff1 says:

    I know many who have had the vaccine and seem to be well.

    I did have a sore arm for a day after but it soon left and feeling good since.

    I do hope it goes well for you and will pray for you on Wednesday.

  73. street says:

    Matthew 6:26
    Look at the birds of the sky, that they do not sow, nor reap, nor gather crops into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more important than they?

    Matthew 13:3
    And He told them many things in parables, saying, “Behold, the sower went out to sow;

    Matthew 13:24
    Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

    Matthew 13:27
    And the slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’

    Matthew 13:37
    And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,

    John 4:36
    Already the one who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for eternal life, so that the one who sows and the one who reaps may rejoice together.

    That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, 1 Corinthians 15

    1 Corinthians 15:43
    it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

    45 So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living [a]person.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15

    Galatians 6:7
    Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a person sows, this he will also reap.

    Galatians 6:8
    For the one who sows to his own flesh will reap destruction from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit.

    James 3:18
    And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

  74. street says:

    thinking about the word sow and the verse sow to the Spirit.

    to sow, to plant. even graft. wild olive branch comes to mind.

    to sow, to adhere to or hold to, to take or abide in.

    to sow, to rest

    the purpose of sowing….to produce fruit to multiply.

    to have offspring, conformed to the image of His Son.

    let the looting of the kingdom of darkness continue.

  75. Beloved says:

    Divine parallel:sowing and reaping

    Psalms 126:4-6 Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
    126:4-6 The beginnings of mercies encourage us to pray for the completion of them. And while we are in this world there will be matter for prayer, even when we are most furnished with matter for praise. Suffering saints are often in tears; they share the calamities of human life, and commonly have a greater share than others. But they sow in tears; they do the duty of an afflicted state. Weeping must not hinder sowing; we must get good from times of affliction. And they that sow, in the tears of godly sorrow, to the Spirit, shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting; and that will be a joyful harvest indeed. Blessed are those that mourn, for they shall be for ever comforted. When we mourn for our sins, or suffer for Christ’s sake, we are sowing in tears, to reap in joy. And remember that God is not mocked; for whatever a man soweth that shall he reap, Ga 6:7-9. Here, O disciple of Jesus, behold an emblem of thy present labour and future reward; the day is coming when thou shalt reap in joy, plentiful shall be thy harvest, and great shall be thy joy in the Lord.

  76. Beloved says:

    I’ve been thinking about this quotation all day from John Flavel,

    The heart of man is his worst part before it is regenerated, and the best after. It is the seat of principles, and the fountain of actions.

    Sowing and reaping seems to come from the heart. I’m still upset about the outcome of the life of Ravi Z. My heart hurts so much for his victims and his many enablers enamored by his status and many supporters. . Lord have mercy on us all in our weakened state. Thank you Jesus, so thankful God provided the Ultimate Seed sown for the deliverance and proliferation of His sheep. Looking forward with hope once again. As looting of darkness continues.

  77. street says:

    The heart of man is his worst part before it is regenerated, and the best after. It is the seat of principles, and the fountain of actions.

    as i think of this quote i think of some elements of pelagius. the implication there is another part of sinnful man that merits redemption or is good about him apart from God.

    the divine Grace in Christ Jesus is beyond the wildest thought or expectation of man. in other words it is of Divine Origin.

    7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 9 but just as it is written:

    “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
    And which have not entered the human heart,
    All that God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:7-9

    23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely us, whom He also called, not only from among Jews, but also from among Gentiles, 25 as He also says in Hosea:

    “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
    And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
    “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
    There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

    27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; 28 for the Lord will execute His word on the earth, [t]thoroughly and [u]quickly.” 29 And just as Isaiah foretold:

    “If the Lord [v]of armies had not left us [w]descendants,
    We would have become like Sodom, and would have [x]been like Gomorrah.”

    30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is [y]by faith; 31 however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it [z]by faith, but as though they could [aa]by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written:

    “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
    And the one who believes in Him will not be [ab]put to shame.”

    thinking the tears part is about what were like and struggles we still have to overcome by the Holy Spirit.

    living sacrifice

    thinking of the Salvation Reserved for us in Heaven.

    4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have [e]for all the [f]saints; 5 because of the hope reserved for you in [g]heaven,
    Colossians 1:4

  78. SFDBWV says:

    I said early on concerning the subject of the Trinity that I just lack the energy to re-write all of Scripture that expresses the “parallels” between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    Let me just say that after or while you read Scripture you will see that everything said about one is said about the other.

    This is because they are the one and same entity.

    I would also suggest a book written by Billy Graham simply titled “The Holy Spirit” that spells out all the connected dots in Scripture as to the
    “Three” being the “One”.

    20 degrees f under a bright moon and star lit sky.


  79. foreverblessed says:

    Praying for you Beloved, that you keep your eyes on Jesus, no matter what. That you may not be intimidated, but look to our Lord and Savior!
    Hold fast, dear sister!

  80. foreverblessed says:

    Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
    And which have not entered the human heart,
    All that God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:7-9

    Jesus takes mankind back to God, through the veil, that is His Body.
    Hebrews 10:20
    IN Him we are, we are put there by God Himself, when we believe in Jesus. It is God’s doing. And what happened to Jesus happens on us.
    “Abide in Him”
    Is the message to us: to abide in Him, no matter the intimidation.

  81. jeff1 says:

    1 Abide with me: fast falls the eventide;
    the darkness deepens; Lord, with me abide.
    When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
    Help of the helpless, O abide with me.

    2 Swift to its close ebbs out life’s little day;
    earth’s joys grow dim, its glories pass away.
    Change and decay in all around I see.
    O thou who changest not, abide with me.

    3 I need thy presence every passing hour.
    What but thy grace can foil the tempter’s power?
    Who like thyself my guide and strength can be?
    Through cloud and sunshine, O abide with me.

    4 I fear no foe with thee at hand to bless,
    ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness.
    Where is death’s sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
    I triumph still, if thou abide with me.

    5 Hold thou thy cross before my closing eyes.
    Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies.
    Heaven’s morning breaks and earth’s vain shadows flee;
    in life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.

  82. poohpity says:

    When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

    Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.

  83. poohpity says:

    I am thinking about what it truly means to have Christ-like thoughts which lead to Christ-like actions. Do I know Jesus well enough to know what His thoughts are or do I base His thoughts on my own thoughts?

  84. poohpity says:

    Even evil spirits know who Jesus is and that God is One Acts 19:15; James 2:19

  85. jeff1 says:

    When I have a wrong thought I should confess it so that Christ in me strengthens me to overcome it.

    Even if I don’t know Jesus’s thoughts I know when I am having wrong thoughts which leads to me sinning if I don’t seek Christ’s presence in me to conquer those thoughts which in turn will lead me to wrong actions.

    I need to nip it in the bud so to speak.

  86. Beloved says:

    thinking the tears part is about what were like and struggles we still have to overcome by the Holy Spirit.

    That’s a helpful reminder to not let despair take hold. I’ve been telling myself everything has its purpose. In Gods economy.

    Yes thank you Forever my eyes are never off Jesus, my companion both now and forever!

  87. Beloved says:

    Jesus wept. But death and it’s sore consequences were overcome by the precious blood of the risen LORD. Jesus was at one time human as we are. He understands us so well.

  88. street says:

    49 Everyone will be salted with fire.

    50 “Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt among yourselves, and be at peace with each other.” MARK 9

    Scripture Union 3/2/21

    it’s march!!! and i am not thinking about basketball, but renewal.

    thinking of the Greatness of the Light in the darkness.

    “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?”

    9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

    12 So then, brothers and sisters, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons and daughters by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

    If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

    Galatians 2:20
    I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

    20 according to my eager expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death

    21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose.

    E Pluribus Unum

    be at peace with each other

    Jesus Prince of Peace

    Peace not as the world gives

    thinking, God never changes.

    Merciful Gracious and Mighty in Christ Jesus.

    power perfected in weakness.

  89. Beloved says:

    RC said Jesus is still in His human form seated at Gods right hand. Scripture says He appeared in bodily form after He was killed. We believe that as foundational to our faith. Yet sometimes Jesus is thought of as a “spirit” being. Such a great mystery!

  90. jeff1 says:

    The legend of the raindrop
    Has a lesson for us all
    As it trembled in the heavens . . .
    Questioning whether it should fall-
    For the glistening raindrop argued
    To the genie of the sky
    “I am beautiful and lovely
    As I sparkle here on high,
    And hanging here I will become
    Part of the rainbow’s hue
    And I’ll shimmer like a diamond
    For all the world to view” . . .
    But the genie told the raindrop,
    “Do not hesitate to go,
    For you will be more beautiful
    If you fall to earth blow,
    For you will sink into the soil
    And be lost a while from sight,
    But when you reappear on earth,
    You’ll be looked on with delight;
    For you will be the raindrop
    That quenched the thirsty ground
    And helped the lovely flowers
    To blossom all around,
    And in your resurrection
    You’ll appear in queenly clothes
    With the beauty of the lily
    And the fragrance of he rose;
    Then, when you wilt and wither,
    You’ll become part of the earth
    And make the soil more fertile
    And give new flowers birth” . . .
    For there is nothing ever lost
    Or eternally neglected,
    For everything God ever made
    Is always resurrected;
    So trust God’s all-wise wisdom
    And doubt the Father never,
    For in His Heavenly Kingdom
    There is nothing lost forever.

  91. Beloved says:

    Sweet verse Viv.

  92. jeff1 says:

    Yes, I think so, glad you liked it.

  93. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, what a song! I hope that that is so, God always the God of Grace.
    Thinking of the grain of wheat:
    What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
    1 Cor 15:36

    ( Beloved, lately you wrote about the resurrected body of Jesus,
    this chapter also talks about that. That it is a spiritual body
    1 Cor 15:42-58)

    It ends with this:
    But thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you.

    Part of the Messiah of Handel, nr 51
    But thanks, but thanks, thanks, thanks be to God

  94. foreverblessed says:

    Talking of Parallel,
    This from today’s Utmost is very appropriate:

    “This is love in the making. The love of God is not created— it is His nature. When we receive the life of Christ through the Holy Spirit, He unites us with God so that His love is demonstrated in us. The goal of the indwelling Holy Spirit is not just to unite us with God, but to do it in such a way that we will be one with the Father in exactly the same way Jesus was. And what kind of oneness did Jesus Christ have with the Father? He had such a oneness with the Father that He was obedient when His Father sent Him down here to be poured out for us. And He says to us, “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you” (John 20:21).”

  95. jeff1 says:

    A garden in the night,
    A soul in tortured prayer;
    Engulfed in sorrow all alone,
    Our Saviour struggles there.

    He knows His hour has come
    To bear the price of love.
    He reaches out, His spirit drowned
    In agony and blood.

    “My Father, let it pass,
    This darkness now begun.
    But here I am, Your sacrifice,
    So let Your will be done.”

    Lord, help us watch and pray,
    Your burden gladly bear
    That we may live and die like You,
    Our lives a holy prayer.

  96. poohpity says:

    Yes forever, we are sent out as Ambassador’s of Christ to reach the broken in the world as we are with His lovely assurance of salvation and the knowledge that God wants a relationship with each person no matter their gender, skin color, nationality or anything else that tends to separate us from each other to show we are all on equal ground when it comes to how God thinks about us. None any worse or any better than anyone else, we all need God in our lives. God pursues us to bring us to Himself in a bond of love with forgiveness, grace and mercy. How much do we reflect the Lord when we do the same as in forgive, show grace and mercy which are the actions of His love in us, the fruit of His Spirit?

  97. poohpity says:

    “Who am I”

    Who am I, that the Lord of all the earth
    Would care to know my name
    Would care to feel my hurt
    Who am I, that the Bright and Morning Star
    Would choose to light the way
    For my ever wandering heart

    Not because of who I am
    But because of what You’ve done
    Not because of what I’ve done
    But because of who You are

    I am a flower quickly fading
    Here today and gone tomorrow
    A wave tossed in the ocean (ocean)
    A vapor in the wind
    Still You hear me when I’m calling
    Lord, You catch me when I’m falling
    And You’ve told me who I am…
    I am Yours, I am Yours

    Who am I, that the eyes that see my sin
    Would look on me with love and watch me rise again
    Who am I, that the voice that calmed the sea
    Would call out through the rain
    And calm the storm in me

    Not because of who I am
    But because of what You’ve done
    Not because of what I’ve done
    But because of who You are

    I am a flower quickly fading
    Here today and gone tomorrow
    A wave tossed in the ocean (ocean)
    A vapor in the wind
    Still You hear me when I’m calling
    Lord, You catch me when I’m falling
    And You’ve told me who I am (I am)
    I am Yours…

    Not because of who I am
    But because of what You’ve done
    Not because of what I’ve done
    But because of who You are…

    I am a flower quickly fading
    Here today and gone tomorrow
    A wave tossed in the ocean (ocean)
    A vapor in the wind
    Still You hear me when I’m calling
    Lord, You catch me when I’m falling
    And You’ve told me who I am (I am)
    I am Yours, I am Yours, I am Yours

    Whom shall I fear
    Whom shall I fear
    ‘Cause I am Yours, I am Yours

  98. jeff1 says:

    “Who Am I?”

    When I think of how He came so far from glory
    Came to dwell among the lowly such as I
    To suffer shame and such disgrace
    On Mount Calvary take my place
    Then I ask myself this question
    Who am I?

    Who am I that The King would bleed and die for
    Who am I that He would pray not my will, Thy Lord
    The answer I may never know
    Why He ever loved me so
    But to that old rugged cross He’d go
    For who am I?

    When I’m reminded of His words
    I’ll leave Him never
    If you’ll be true I’ll give to you life forever
    Oh I wonder what I could have done
    To deserve God’s only Son
    To fight my battles until they’re won
    For who am I?

    Who am I that The King would bleed and die for
    Who am I that He would pray not my will, Thy Lord
    The answer I may never know
    Why He ever loved me so
    But to that old rugged cross He’d go
    For who am I?
    But to an old rugged cross He’d go for, who am I?

  99. Beloved says:

    As I’m sitting in the drs waiting room I see this from Spurgeon!

    If, believer, you require still greater comfort, remember that you have the Son of Man with you in the furnace. In that silent chamber of yours, there sits by your side One whom you have not seen, but whom you love; and often when you do not know it, He comforts you in your affliction and softens the place of rest. You are in poverty; but in your lovely house the Lord of life and glory is a frequent visitor. He loves to come into these desolate places, that He may visit you. Your friend sticks closely to you. You cannot see Him, but you may feel the pressure of His hands. Do you not hear His voice? Even in the valley of the shadow of death He says, “Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God.”1

    I love the Holy Spirit who is with me at every turn!

  100. jeff1 says:

    Death had mocked our deepest longings,
    Death, the bitter end for all;
    Nothing lasting, nothing higher
    Till that Easter call:

    He is risen!
    Now the death that was our future
    Is our destiny no more!
    He is risen!
    Now we share the holy majesty
    Of Jesus Christ our Lord!

    Joy and beauty, love and giving,
    Life and light go on and on!
    All that bound our fearful hearts to
    Sin and death is gone!

    Celebrate our endless future!
    Celebrate our here and now!
    Celebrate our noble purpose –
    Love will show us how!

  101. Beloved says:

    Valuable to meditate on

    What we see in a Son who from the beginning was all about doing his Father’s business, we now have in a Holy presence mediating Christ-like thoughts and actions in our lives.

  102. SFDBWV says:

    Matt and I like to watch “The Chase”. It is on Game Show Network every day at 3. The object is for its contestants to beat the trivia expert titled the “Beast” in a race against the clock.

    Not surprising the amount of trivial information we pick up as a result.

    One such question and answer was a quote from Charles DeGaul the former French President with regards to the French people being so difficult to govern or to reach a consensus, when the French people have so many different varieties of cheese.

    A reference to the fact that they all think so differently and with passion.

    Personally I think all “educated” nationalities fall into such a category as “free thinkers”.

    Not surprising as well as we “free thinkers” adopt then adapt Christianity into our lives.

    The earliest official “church” in Rome soon was divided into the “Roman Catholic Church” and the “Eastern Orthodox Church” then with the coming of the “Protestant Church” we actually end up with “The Protestant Churches”.

    I am quite certain even at the beginning there were splinter groups or “sects” that considered themselves to be followers of Jesus. Jesus even telling his Disciples to leave them alone when ask to rebuke them for using Jesus’ name without actually being in the inner circle of Disciples.

    When choosing a new “Pope” in the Catholic Church, the Cardinals all secretly gather together secluded and supposedly await the Holy Spirit to tell them who among them are to be elevated to the role of “Pope”.

    I am not sure how the job is filled with regards to the Eastern Orthodox religion, but I have never read or heard a quote as to how the top leaders of the many Protestant faiths come to be chosen to lead.

    Earlier I used the term “adopt and adapt” referring to people becoming followers of Jesus. I think it is true that most all people make their faith fit them more so than they fit into the “faith”.

    When people try and look at the mystery of the Trinity and try to make it fit into reasonable thinking they come off questioning how three separate beings could be the same being.

    For my way of thinking their error is in trying to make God, or the Trinity, fit their logic.

    Two well-known Protestant faiths, The Mormons and The Watch Tower Society do not accept that the Father and the Son could possibly be the same Being.

    There may be others I am not aware of, I don’t know. The thing is where does that leave such believers in Jesus whereas the Holy Spirit is concerned?

    Are such people actual followers of Jesus or has their earthly view voided or placed their salvation in jeopardy?

    Is such a view the dreaded “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit”?

    Or are all these different varieties of Christianity still covered under the Blood of Christ and led by the Holy Spirit?

    Personally I think all who call upon the name of Jesus are saved regardless of anything else.

    But then I am sure there are many other “views” out here to be expressed.

    33 degrees under mostly clear skies.


  103. jeff1 says:

    All glory to God!
    You have brought us this far.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    You’ve blessed every day‒
    What a wonder You are!
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!

    You give us a joy
    In this journey of faith.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    We know You’ll be with us
    The rest of the way.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!

  104. jeff1 says:

    Are you feeling all right since your vaccine, Beloved?

  105. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, I consider myself as one who had wrong doctrines about the Trinity.
    But God in His mercy, was gracious to me, and slowly opened up the real truth about the Father,Son and Spirit.
    I am so thankful for that!!!
    My church of upbringing was a 7th day adventist offshoot.
    So their beliefs are not totally good.
    But God looks at the heart, He looks if there is an honost search for truth, that even many of others faith, be it those of Buddha, Sikhs, Confucius, New Agers, or anyone else
    God looks at the honost heart.

    I still feel the still small voice of God, when I walked in the old church of our city, just after the Oecumenical prayer, one lady, a roman catholic, said to me:
    We will have total unity among christians, only when the protestants take the Eucharist, and view it as we do.

    The Holy Spirit said to me (not in audible voice, but in words put in my mind):
    “I was patient with you, to get rid of your wrong beliefs, so be you patient with those that have their own “holy houses”.

    That was such a profound statement, and I so agreed with it.
    Yes, I was going to be patient with them, and pray for them in the mean time, intercessory prayer.

    “Holy houses” is a saying we have in Dutch for a belief that is hold very dear to the heart, but is not the real truth,
    Like the Sabbath day to me, it was a “holy house”
    And God allowed me quite a bit of time to get rid of it.

  106. poohpity says:

    Religions divide but a relationship unites. Only the Lord has the ability to judge those who follow a religion and those who truly have a relationship with Him.

    Matt 13: Here is another story Jesus told: “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field. 25 But that night as the workers slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat, then slipped away. 26 When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew.

    27 “The farmer’s workers went to him and said, ‘Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! Where did they come from?’

    28 “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed.

    “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked.

    29 “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’” …….

    Then, leaving the crowds outside, Jesus went into the house. His disciples said, “Please explain to us the story of the weeds in the field.”

    37 Jesus replied, “The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. 39 The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil. The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.

    40 “Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

  107. foreverblessed says:

    “Personally I think all who call upon the name of Jesus are saved regardless of anything else.”

    Yes yes, amen!

    I was looking for the bible verse:
    All who call on the Name of the Lord will be saved.
    But I cannot find it, it is in Isaiah or in Psalms.
    Bug it is a promise that God gave, and His Word always stands

  108. foreverblessed says:

    Found it!
    The exact words are in:

    Joel 2:32
    And everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved.

    Cited in Romans 10:13

    But Psalms and Isaiah have many who urge people to call on the Name of the Lord

    Psalm 145:18
    The Lord is near to all who xsll Him,
    to all who call on Him in truth

    (Truthful seekers, seekers of the truth)

    “Turn to Me and be saved”
    Isaiah 45:22
    The bible verse that struck the heart of Southern, and he found his Savior! The search of his heart had found it’s fulfillment.

  109. poohpity says:

    FYI both the Mormon Religion and the Jehovah Witness religion are not considered to be Protestant. Those are something as far removed from Christianity as one can get which means they are not Protestant. Protestant’s broke off from the Catholic religion but believe in who Jesus is and that the only means of salvation comes from Christ alone.

  110. poohpity says:

    But like the parable of the wheat and weeds Jesus explain it was not up to us to decide who is the wheat and who is the weeds by cautioning our opinion may uproot the actually wheat by judging on our own between the two.

  111. poohpity says:

    Not “actually” but should be actual.

  112. foreverblessed says:

    Turn to Me and be saved”
    Isaiah 45:22
    The bible verse that struck the heart of Spurgeon, and he found his Savior! The search of his heart had found it’s fulfillment.

  113. Beloved says:

    Feeling ok here. Arm was sore last night until I asked Jesus to take the pain away, which He did.

    After reading all the comments today I kind of feel like a fish out of water, so to speak, a lot of you are Universalists, I’m not. But the love of God reaches everywhere looking for those who have been called according to His purposes. My Utmost is a good reminder today of Gods purposes. Not to look on what we think they are and can do.

  114. Beloved says:

    We talked about this at church yesterday that no matter how bad we think we are Jesus will never turn anyone away who comes to Him.
    John 6 whoever believes in Me will never thirst. 36But as I stated, you have seen Me and still you do not believe.

    37Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.

    39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

    This is not to be taken as universal but as an intimate act believing Jesus is who He says He is and that He alone can save.

  115. Beloved says:

    I’m not up for debating this with anyone. I’m not an apologist. Just a sheepish sheep.

  116. street says:

    Divine Parallels

    thinking about cheese. beware of the leaven of the scribes and the pharisees.

    thinking of Jesus, no leaven.

    unless you eat My flesh and drink my blood you have no part in Me.

    to call Jesus good teacher friend rabbi is to miss the mark….consider LORD. Son of man and Son of God.

    people do call Him lord, but they do not know what they are saying. Lord Lord implies intimacy.

    “I kept looking in the night visions,
    And behold, with the clouds of heaven
    One like a son of man was coming,
    And He came up to the Ancient of Days
    And was presented before Him.
    And to Him was given dominion,
    Honor, and a kingdom,
    So that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages
    Might serve Him.
    His dominion is an everlasting dominion
    Which will not pass away;
    And His kingdom is one
    Which will not be destroyed.
    Daniel 7

  117. street says:

    When people try and look at the mystery of the Trinity and try to make it fit into reasonable thinking they come off questioning how three separate beings could be the same being.

    thinking how people can all be so different and at the same time all be sinners???

    to not see the parallels is to miss the mark.
    visual aids have there place and Jesus used them extensively, as seekers and followers, vantage point is everything. we can not rest with our questions and curiosities till they are brought to Jesus. only godliness with contentment is Great gain. this only happens in Christ Jesus. Holy Spirit and The Living Word, Spirit and Truth are the gifts of God. the table is before us. may your cup run over. You have anointed my head with oil;
    My cup overflows.
    Certainly goodness and faithfulness will follow me all the days of my life,
    And my dwelling will be in the house of the Lord forever.

    thinking of the goodness and mercy that followed paul.

    my we not lose sight or sound of our Shepard.

  118. foreverblessed says:

    One like a Son of Man

    Jesus calls Himself Son of Man, the first time in John 3:13
    Talking to Nicodemus.

    …the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.

    The Son of Man, great truth is revealed in that Name.

  119. Beloved says:

    I believe it means He was born human, Son of God became the Son of man- for a time. Lifted up high on a wooden cross. Humanly hanging marred beyond recognition Isaiah says.

  120. foreverblessed says:

    Just the thoughts os AlexanderMcLaren,
    on John 3:14-15 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.

    Just for encouragement for any who need it tonight:

    ‘Eternal life’; do not bring that down to the narrow and inadequate conception of unending existence. It involves that, but it means a great deal more. It means a life of such a sort as is worth calling life, which is a life in union with God, and therefore full of blessedness, full of purity, full of satisfaction, full of desire and aspiration, and all these with the stamp of unendingness deeply impressed upon them. And that is what comes to us through the look. Not only is the process of dying arrested, but there is substituted for it a new process of growing possession of a new life. You ‘must be born again,’ Christ had been saying to Nicodemus. The change that passes upon a man when once he has anchored his trust on Jesus Christ, the uplifted Son of Man, is so profound that it is nothing else than a new birth, and a new life comes into his veins untainted by the poison, and with no proclivity to death.

    ‘May have eternal life’-now, here, on the instant. That eternal life is no future gift to be bestowed upon mortal men when they have passed through the agony of death, but it is a gift which comes to us here, and may come to any man on the instant of his looking to Jesus Christ.

    ‘May in Him have eternal life’-union with Christ by faith, that profound incorporation-if I may use the word-into Him, which the New Testament sets forth in all sorts of aspects as the very foundation of the blessings of Christianity; that union is the condition of eternal life. So, dear brethren, we all need that the poison shall be cast out of our veins. We all need that the tendency downwards to a condition which can only be described as death may be arrested, and the motion reversed. We all need that our knowledge shall be vitalised into faith. We all need that the past shall be forgiven, and the power of sin upon us in the present shall be cancelled. ‘The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin,’ because it was shed for the remission of the sins of the many, and is transfused, an untainted principle of life, into our veins. What Jesus said to Nicodemus by night in that quiet chamber in Jerusalem, what He said in effect and act upon the Cross, when uplifted there, is what He says to each of us from the Throne where He is now lifted up: ‘Whosoever believeth shall in Me have eternal life.’ Take Him at His word, and you will find that it is true.

    Jesus, Take Him at His Word

  121. foreverblessed says:

    I was looking for a sermon on the Son of man, why Jesus used it there, but found this from Alexander instead. I have to do some more research tomorrow, it is late now, 23.16, time to go to bed, and sleep.
    May God bless us all.

  122. SFDBWV says:

    March 5, 2021
    One God
    “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

    This great verse has been recited countless times by Israelites down through the centuries, setting forth their distinctive belief in one great Creator God. The Jews had retained their original belief in creation, handed down from Noah, while the other nations had all allowed their original monotheistic creationism to degenerate into a wide variety of religions, all basically equivalent to the polytheistic evolutionism of the early Sumerians at Babel.

    But along with its strong assertion of monotheism, there is also a very real suggestion that this declaration, with its thrice-named subject, is also setting forth the triune God. The name “LORD,” of course, is Yahweh, or Jehovah, the self-existing One who reveals Himself, while “God” is Elohim, the powerful Creator/Ruler. “Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah” is the proclamation. A number of respected Jewish commentators have acknowledged that the verse spoke of a “unified oneness” rather than an “absolute oneness.” The revered book called the Zohar, for example, even said that the first mention was of the Father, the second one the Messiah, and the third the Holy Spirit.

    The key word “one” (Hebrew achad) is often used to denote unity in diversity. For example, when Eve was united to Adam in marriage, they were said to be “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Similarly, on the third day of creation, the waters were “gathered together unto one place,” yet this gathering together was called “Seas” (i.e., more than one sea, Genesis 1:9-10).

    Thus, Israel’s great declaration should really be understood as saying, in effect: “The eternally omnipresent Father, also Creator and Sustainer of all things, is our unified self-revealing Lord.” HMM
    From Days of Praise, enjoy.


  123. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed, I really enjoyed that.

  124. jeff1 says:

    Having spent my youth in a religious and cultural divide/war I observed how religions have a tendency to make God exclusive to their set of beliefs.

    Something in me told me that wasn’t how it should be and so I found myself at odds with religion and questioning my own beliefs and how I had come to hold them.

    From then on I began to see that when I put my trust in God He reveals truths to me that I could learn in no other way.

    One of those truths being that He is an inclusive God and not exclusive which I find is very much at odds with the religions of the world.

    Pooh, I believe it was you who said religions divide but to my thinking they are much more destructive then just being divisive as they are leading people away from the truth of the Gospel and if I am not mistaking that makes them enemies of God today.

  125. poohpity says:

    Yes, I agree Viv!

    Just like human beings trying to explain the Trinity in three persons. One God. One purpose. We may never know how all that works but we are asked to believe and Jesus gave us the revelation of the Father in Himself (John 1:1,2,14; John 8:58, 10:30, 17:5). Three persons. One God. One purpose. Unity.

    Unity that is sorely lacking in the body of believers because it seems that if everyone in their human minds wants to explain the unexplained then we have already stepped out of faith into human reasoning.

    Does one live the teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit or do you make a choice to live life your own way without dependence and submission to the Lord? Then love will be our guide when we love God with His help, we will love others even those we call enemies. That is the true sign of who has our heart. Does one see more joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control in their own lives than they had yesterday? If they do then it means the Lord has begun a good work in you and He will complete what He started.

  126. street says:

    20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne. 22 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

    10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,

    “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers and sisters has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even [a]when faced with death. 12 For this reason, rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”

    been thinking…..they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb

    Life is in the blood.

  127. poohpity says:

    street, do you think that John was addressing those who have not walked away from their faith but stand firm in it or is he addressing those who have grown apathetic, loveless, immoral, lenient, compromising, lifeless or casual about their faith? The one’s who overcome are the one’s who have not walked away from their faith no matter the difficulties of life we run in to. It is also speaking about the second coming of Christ.

  128. jeff1 says:

    Love has brought us near,
    Kissed us with forgiveness,
    Poured out all the blessings of Your great and tender heart.
    Father, You are love,
    Pure and perfect goodness.
    All Your grace and boundless wealth You give us in Your Son,
    Jesus Christ Your Son.

    Rooted in Your love,
    We are green and growing,
    Bearing holy fruit that spreads Your blessings all around.
    Love has built us up,
    Christ, our sure foundation,
    We, Your holy temple filled with worship to our God.
    Praise to You, our God!

    Love will bring us home,
    Home to You, our Father,
    Joyful in Your presence, breathing rich and perfect peace.
    Love will make us one,
    One with You forever,
    One with Father, Son, and Spirit, full in You, our Lord!
    Praise to You, our Lord!

  129. street says:

    12 For this reason, rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them.

    where does your heart dwell?

    purpose and intent

    God has a purpose and intent. the standard is perfection.

    man has purpose and intent too. he will ask how close can i get to the line and not cross over and be ok? man starts from a bad place in this kind of thinking, he passed the line a long time ago. even david understood he was conceived in sin, pass the standard, he is not even aware of it sometimes. God in His mercy judges human hearts in confronting them with their sin. you can only respond in two ways, repentance or unbelief. davids response is epic and true. david responds to God’s prophet, then judgment. God did provide a Sacrifice for david to pay his debt, the future Son Who would sit on his Thrown. people say david was a pretty bad sinner we think we are ok because we did not commit adultery or murder. the spiritual idolatry leads to all the other sins. we just have not been given the power this man was give to use it sinfully. God does give us things to rule over. the question is did we do any better than david? we too like david and paul need to trust God. spend time with Him and ask Him your questions. without faith it is impossible to please God.

  130. Beloved says:

    spend time with Him and ask Him your questions. without faith it is impossible to please God.

    I’ve been watching some conversations between atheists and Christians lately. Fascinating! All their arguments I’ve heard before, but the one thing I haven’t heard discussed – yet- is faith. Seems to me to make all the difference in the world. True, an atheist won’t try to spend time with God because they have chosen to deny His existence though the Bible says all are without excuse. Seems the best way is to direct them to God Himself -as they can imagine Him- and let God do what He does better than anyone. In my humble opinion anyway. But I’m not an apologist lol.

  131. Beloved says:

    Atheists and agnostics are not concerned about “pleasing God”.

  132. poohpity says:

    street, one of the many things that the Holy Spirit does as he did with the revelation of John as written in scripture was to tell us of the future things to come. John 16:13

  133. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 11:6
    And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

  134. jeff1 says:

    Everyone going their own way speaks of present day prophecy when I look at the divisions in the world.

    Similarities in the world as when Jesus was on this earth and I think of His opposition to the religious leaders of His day.

    When I speak to others I find their is change coming.

    I think of my Roman Catholic hairdresser who is dismayed because the younger generation will not respect the Priests as her generation did and I recall the conversation I had with a young RC women who told me that when she was 16 she made sure she was not alone with her Priest as she did not like how close he stood to her but wouldn’t tell her parents because the Priest was next to God in their eyes.

    Revelations of abuse in children’s care homes and compensation now being paid substantiate this girls story of how abuse was ignored by many.

    Then in the Protestant churches here the same falling away because a younger generation are dismayed at the attitudes of older members of their family to those who do not belong to their church.

    I think of a RC woman I work with in the charity shop who told me of her daughter’s up coming wedding and how she was marrying a Protestant and the grandparents of this young man did not speak to them because of their religion.

    If our churches have fewer young people then it is my generation who has failed to be good examples to them and so must take some responsibility for this.

    I know from the violence I saw here that when one hands down their hatred and bigotry to another generation the results are catastrophic and why I am thankful that a younger generation have minds that see the wrong and refuse to be part of it.

    God sees too and brings about long awaited changes that protects the welfare of all His children.

    I think of how my parents protected me throughout my life and realize how blessed I was to have such care and attention.

    I thank God for opening my eyes to seeing how blessed I am today as being prone to depressive thoughts I am ashamed to say I have often doubted His goodness and protection.

    1. Light of the world you stepped down into darkness
    Open my eyes, let me see
    Beauty that made this heart to adore You
    Hope of a life spent with You.

    So here I am to worship
    Here I am to bow down
    Here I am to say that you’re my God
    Your altogether lovely
    Altogether worthy
    Altogether wonderful to me

    2. King of all days
    Oh, so highly exalted
    Glorious in heaven above.
    Humbly you came to the earth you created
    All for Love’s sake became poor.

    I’ll never know how much it cost
    To see my sins upon that cross
    To see my sins upon that cross
    To see my sins upon that cross
    To see my sins upon that cross

  135. SFDBWV says:

    There is an old saying, whom I do not know attributed it to, that goes like this; “Man plans and God laughs.”

    I have to wonder if He cries, groans, or shakes His head and laughs at our attempts to understand and worse explain His Scripture to others.

    It is my belief that God gives each one of us just enough information and just enough faith to keep us on this pathway through life until we get home and have all our questions answered.

    The Triune being of God is one and when we become His we are also one with Him. It is just seen through a dark glass for now.


  136. Beloved says:

    True, Steve.

  137. Beloved says:

    Although a good teacher is a real blessing.

  138. Beloved says:

    Remember to pray for the school girls in Nigeria being abducted. 279 last I heard. Pray also the government would provide leaders with the focus of stopping these horrible events. Pray for healing physical emotional and spiritual in Jesus’ name for the girls and their families as well as their teachers.

  139. poohpity says:

    I believe that God gives us our hearts desire for Him. If we desire more of Him then that is what He gives us but with that comes responsibility. He seems to open our eyes, ears, heart and mind with as much of Him as we want. God seems to know those who seek, ask and search after His heart! It seems there are some who seem satisfied with just a surface relationship with no real close intimacy not really knowing that God wants more and more of our hearts and minds because it seems He knows that is where real joy, contentment, satisfaction comes from.

  140. jeff1 says:

    A thankful heart, a thankful heart,
    Lord, grow in me a thankful heart.
    So many gifts You give each day!
    I ask one more: a thankful heart.

    A simple faith, a simple faith,
    For every need, a simple faith.
    Father, You hold me in Your arms,
    So give Your child a simple faith.

    A life of love, a life of love,
    In Jesus Christ a life of love.
    Lord, as I live and breathe in You,
    This wealth is mine: a life of love.

    A thankful heart, a simple faith,
    A life of love in You each day
    Till we are one and face to face
    And all is joy and endless praise

  141. Beloved says:

    Been Thinking about the divine parallels and their ultimate purpose for us today, right now.

    Luke 15:11-32
    The Message
    The Story of the Lost Son
    11-12 Then he said, “There was once a man who had two sons. The younger said to his father, ‘Father, I want right now what’s coming to me.’

    12-16 “So the father divided the property between them. It wasn’t long before the younger son packed his bags and left for a distant country. There, undisciplined and dissipated, he wasted everything he had. After he had gone through all his money, there was a bad famine all through that country and he began to feel it. He signed on with a citizen there who assigned him to his fields to slop the pigs. He was so hungry he would have eaten the corn-cobs in the pig slop, but no one would give him any.

    17-20 “That brought him to his senses. He said, ‘All those farmhands working for my father sit down to three meals a day, and here I am starving to death. I’m going back to my father. I’ll say to him, Father, I’ve sinned against God, I’ve sinned before you; I don’t deserve to be called your son. Take me on as a hired hand.’ He got right up and went home to his father.

    20-21 “When he was still a long way off, his father saw him. His heart pounding, he ran out, embraced him, and kissed him. The son started his speech: ‘Father, I’ve sinned against God, I’ve sinned before you; I don’t deserve to be called your son ever again.’

    22-24 “But the father wasn’t listening. He was calling to the servants, ‘Quick. Bring a clean set of clothes and dress him. Put the family ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Then get a prize-winning heifer and roast it. We’re going to feast! We’re going to have a wonderful time! My son is here—given up for dead and now alive! Given up for lost and now found!’ And they began to have a wonderful time.

    25-27 “All this time his older son was out in the field. When the day’s work was done he came in. As he approached the house, he heard the music and dancing. Calling over one of the houseboys, he asked what was going on. He told him, ‘Your brother came home. Your father has ordered a feast—barbecued beef!—because he has him home safe and sound.’

    28-30 “The older brother stomped off in an angry sulk and refused to join in. His father came out and tried to talk to him, but he wouldn’t listen. The son said, ‘Look how many years I’ve stayed here serving you, never giving you one moment of grief, but have you ever thrown a party for me and my friends? Then this son of yours who has thrown away your money on whores shows up and you go all out with a feast!’

    31-32 “His father said, ‘Son, you don’t understand. You’re with me all the time, and everything that is mine is yours—but this is a wonderful time, and we had to celebrate. This brother of yours was dead, and he’s alive! He was lost, and he’s found!’”

  142. foreverblessed says:

    Year 321, March 7, Constantine I signs legislation directing urban residents to refrain from work, and businesses to be closed, on the “venerable day of the Sun”. An exception is made for agriculture.

    A day of rest is very good. The Chinese do not have that, it would be good if they did rest from work in the weekend, and also at night. Just stop working and relax, have dinner with family.
    But best of all is the Spiritual rest in faith in Christ.

    This verse, that Beloved gave yesterday:
    “All I have is yours”

    What if we take that literal?
    All that God has, love, peace, joy, long-suffering etc
    we have that IN Christ
    Through the Holy Spirit.

  143. foreverblessed says:

    Steve wrote:
    Man plans and God laughs…
    I had to think about Psalm 2

    Why do the nations conspire
    and the peoples plot in vain?
    The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
    “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles.”

    The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.

    Psalm 2:1-4
    Just how to interpret that in a positive way, God Who laughs, maybe more in the sense that He is not intimidated by evil.

    Just as the saints are trusting God overall, and are not intimidated,
    “They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb”
    They believe the Word more than the accusations of the accuser.
    The Word: that through the blood of Jesus we are forgiven, we may “laugh” at the accusation, of the accuser who accuses us day and night.
    And also when our own thoughts bring in these accusations, that we stop that thinking
    And instead: confess our sin and giving them to Jesus, and receive forgiveness, and Rest for our soul.
    So that we may laugh!

  144. jeff1 says:

    Without You, O God, we are selfish and vain,
    Consumed with our glory, our comfort, our gain.
    Deceived by this world and the sin we ignore,
    We’re smiling and polished but wrong to the core.

    But Father, Your truth and Your unfailing love
    Engulf all the vastness of heaven above.
    Your holiness floods all the fathomless deep
    And all the creation You nurture and keep.

    Lord, You are the fountain, the source and the sea
    Of life and its glories, of all that will be,
    The ocean of peace, of all justice and right,
    The Good of all goodness, the Light of all light.

    We turn from the darkness and look up to You,
    So thirsty for all that is lovely and true.
    We ask Your forgiveness, Your rightness restored,
    Our Loving Creator, our Father, our Lord!

  145. poohpity says:

    I guess to me it seems pretty cynical to think God laughs at our plans but I do believe that He laughs with us when we laugh and cries when we make plans that exclude Him or exclude seeking His guidance. But I can not see Him laughing at us when we make plans unless I am misinterpreting that saying. (Jeremiah 29:11-12) I would not be so inclined to think someone has my best in mind if they laugh at me, that would pretty much stop my trust in them and turn me away.

  146. jeff1 says:

    Where I live we see much rainfall and how often I have thought it is God’s tears for the lives lost through fighting as our history proves we did not get the reputation easily.

    Ironically, the Irish blame the Brits, while the Ulster Scots blame the Irish and I recall the words of a young English soldier whose colleges were being slaughtered in the cycle of it all saying to me your each as bad as each other and I wish you would leave us English out of it.

    God cry’s oceans from where I am standing.

  147. poohpity says:

    I think He cries a lot too because even knowing the end results of it all, I bet He dislikes seeing us harm each other because of how it effects us.

  148. SFDBWV says:

    Of course He cries. He wept over Jerusalem and at the tomb of Lazarus.

    But you have to see His humor in nature. The platypus for one such oddity amongst many others.

    Personally I believe He wept not only for Lazarus’s family, but at each and every burial in mankind.

    But be encouraged, He made a way for death and Hell to be done away with…


  149. jeff1 says:

    In our Province we play the ‘blame game’ and from my own experience of playing it I have yet to see any winners.

    Maybe that’s because as the young English soldier pointed out to me “we are each as bad as each other”.

    Sometimes it takes a person on the outside who is looking in to see what is wrong and I think this young man hit the nail on the head in seeing what is wrong with our thinking here.

    It is so much easier to apportion blame than to admit wrong doing and if you have convinced yourself it is the other side who is doing wrong then there is no guilt attached to blaming since you hold them responsible for the offence.

    Too often the wrongs from the past have spilled over into the present so that we can disassociate ourselves from blame as if it didn’t happen on my watch its not my responsibility.

    We are very good at passing the buck around as I’m sure God understands all too well and when do we ever consider consequences other than after the damage is done.

  150. Beloved says:

    Psalm 139:23-24 (New International Version)

    Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

  151. Beloved says:

    I Corinthians 11:23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you;c do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

  152. Beloved says:

    “ The Christian life is not merely the remembrance of a historical Christ in the past, but it is the present participation in a living Christ, with us now.“

    Maclarens exposition on I Cor. 11;23

  153. jeff1 says:

    Lamentations 3:22-23 22Because of the LORD’s great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. 23They are new every morning; great is your faithfulness.

  154. street says:

    It is so much easier to apportion blame than to admit wrong doing and if you have convinced yourself it is the other side who is doing wrong then there is no guilt attached to blaming since you hold them responsible for the offence.

    i understand what you are saying.to deceive self in to believing you are righteous is to make yourself rich in self righteousness. to sit in the seat of moses and pass judgment on all to justify self. not a good place. Jesus spoke of removing the board from your eye, then you will be able to see clearly to remove the speck in eye of another. I think only Jesus can remove this board. more Jesus Please. when He, Jesus, is lift up He will draw all mankind to Himself.

    saw recently that legalism takes your eyes off Jesus.

    Spirit and Truth Reign forever.

  155. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Street, it was my dad who taught me to keep my focus on Christ and I have found it to be sound teaching.

  156. foreverblessed says:

    His mercies are new every morning. Focussing on Jesus, His great

    Our church has a 40 day program of praying. Everyday a bible verse, and a list to pray for.
    And the first day had the scripture Isaiah 6:1-7
    verse 1
    In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2

    John, the Evangelist, says that Isaiah saw the Messiah.

    John 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

    That this verse in Isaiah, as John tells us, is one of the great proofs of the OT that Jesus is God. A big bible verse for the Trinity.

  157. bullwinkle11 says:

    When I was 7 or 8 years of age, a friend and I decided to ride our bicycles to Mexico. We had no idea of the distance or how to even get there. We planned to camp at a small pond about a mile south of town the first night. After that, our plans were non-existent. As my mother helped me pack for our journey, don’t you think she might have chuckled?
    God, infinitely wiser that we can imagine, has to see quite a bit of humor in our plans, our petty arguments and our futile attempts at life.

  158. poohpity says:

    I guess we can apply human logic and reasoning to God but in my heart of hearts I do not believe God laughs at us however I do believe He laughs with us. Yes I do believe He has a sense of humor but laughing at someone does not constitute a sense of humor but of sarcasm which is human logic.

    I used to share the desires of my heart with my dad and he did chuckle not behind my back but to my face as if I did not know anything so it was more of a put down than trying to get to know me. I myself have chuckled at the plans of my children but it was more like if you only knew it wasn’t meant to try to understand why they had the plans they had rather it was as if I pushing the fact that I knew more than they did. Both of them seem to be a matter of laughing at ignorance rather than embracing the fact that we all are just learning which is how I believe God looks at us with a heart of compassion not of He knows more than we do which of course He does but He does not push His great knowledge on us to make us look like the brunt of a joke that is how humans think.

    But like we have talked about before it is our own perspectives that we base God on not who He actually is.

  159. poohpity says:

    James 4: 13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. 17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.”

    Does God laugh at our arrogance or pride? I think not because He knows the troubles it brings upon ourselves and others when we plan without Him but again I do not think He laughs at us but shows concern when we step out on our own without Him as guide.

  160. poohpity says:

    Which seems more compassionate to laugh at us or to laugh when we laugh, to laugh with us?

  161. Beloved says:

    This is written to Christians; no laughing from God here. So has He changed? Maybe the westernized view of who we want God to be has?

    ◄ Hebrews 3 ►
    English Standard Version
    Jesus Greater Than Moses

    1Therefore, holy brothers,a you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession, 2who was faithful to him who appointed him, just as Moses also was faithful in all God’sb house. 3For Jesus has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses—as much more glory as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself. 4(For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.) 5Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, 6but Christ is faithful over God’s house as a son. And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.c

    A Rest for the People of God

    7Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,

    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    8do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
    on the day of testing in the wilderness,
    9where your fathers put me to the test
    and saw my works for forty years.
    10Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
    and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
    they have not known my ways.’
    11As I swore in my wrath,
    ‘They shall not enter my rest.’”

    12Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. 13But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. 15As it is said,

    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

    16For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.

  162. jeff1 says:

    God broke through the silence
    And spoke to our need
    A vision, a promise,
    A glory to be;
    And some heard His call
    And dared to believe.
    Their courage now lights our way,
    Walking by faith.

    Still bold when the promise
    Was only a dream,
    They walked with their God and
    Let nothing between.
    Through shadows and storms
    They saw the unseen
    And looked to a better place,
    Dying by faith.

    Surrounded by heroes
    Now cheering us on,
    We live in His love as
    We march toward the dawn.
    The Lord is our joy
    Today and beyond,
    For always we see His face
    Walking by faith;
    For always we see His face
    Walking by faith.

  163. Beloved says:

    ◄ Proverbs 31:25
    New Living Translation
    She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs without fear of the future.

  164. Beloved says:

    A very good reason to laugh!

  165. street says:

    What gift of grace is Jesus my Redeemer
    There is no more for Heaven now to give
    He is my joy, my righteousness and freedom

    My steadfast love, my deep and boundless peace

    To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus
    For my life is wholly bound to His
    Oh, how strange and divine, I can sing, “all is mine”
    Yet not I but through Christ in me

    The night is dark but I am not forsaken
    For by my side the Savior He will stay
    I labor on in weakness and rejoicing
    For in my need His power is displayed

    To this I hold, my Shepherd will defend me
    Through the deepest valley He will lead
    Oh, the night has been won and I shall overcome
    Yet not I but through Christ in me

  166. jeff1 says:

    To God be the Glory. Amen.

  167. foreverblessed says:

    About “God laughs” and “scoffs at them”
    This to me has been a difficult bible verse.
    In the discussion about it, I read that people do think about it, and do not take this to be literal.

    The bible is God’s Word, but interpretation of what it means, that is so important!
    There comes in the Holy Spirit.
    We know deep down that God is not like humans, who laugh about others going wrong. And the scoffing is even worse.
    But the plans that the humans have, their leaders, are not little plans, they are huge: to stand against Jesus, “to break away their bonds and throw of their fetters.”

    But what is the solution that God brings:
    Jesus our Savior:
    Psalm 2:5-9
    The Cross is the solution!!!

  168. foreverblessed says:

    But I really appreciated this:

    She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs without fear of the future.”
    May we as the Bride of Christ be so!
    In Jesus’ Name I pray

  169. foreverblessed says:

    That made me think of Sarah, who laughed.
    First at disbelief, Gen 18:19-15
    God changed that laughing into something positive.

    Sarah said, “God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me”
    Gen 21:6
    Isaac means *Laughter”

    Would that be a clue to the laughing of God?
    He laughs, and then reveals His Plan: Jesus, the Savior of the world.

  170. Beloved says:

    I wonder if it’s easier to laugh when there’s hope.

  171. street says:

    I wonder if it’s easier to laugh when there’s hope.

    a hope that is a sure thing.

    God is not man that He should change His mind or the son of a man that he would lie.

    The Truth will set you free and if the Son has set you free you shall be free indeed.

    let the service in love joy peace patients kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness and self control to God in Spirit and Truth begin anew each day and through the night. empowered by the Grace and Mercy of God.

  172. Beloved says:


  173. jeff1 says:

    One Day at a Time

    I’m only human.
    I’m just a woman.
    Lord help me believe in all I can be
    And all that I am.
    Show me the stairway that I have to climb
    And Lord for my sake
    Teach me to take one day at a time.

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all that I’m asking from You.
    Lord give me the strength to do every day what I have to do.
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus and tomorrow may never be mine.
    Lord help me today show me the way one day at a time.

    Now do You remember when You walked among men?
    Well Jesus You know if You’re looking below
    It’s worse now than then.
    Pushing and shoving violence and crime
    And so for my sake teach me to take one day at a time.

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all that I’m asking from You.
    Lord give me the strength to do every day what I have to do.
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus and tomorrow may never be mine.
    Lord help me today and show me the way one day at a time.

    Lord help me today show me the way
    One day at a time.

  174. Beloved says:

    Psalm 55:22 Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous be shaken.

  175. Beloved says:

    Psalm 16:8
    New International Version
    8 I keep my eyes always on the Lord.
    With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken.

  176. foreverblessed says:

    Some more on laughing,
    Sarah laughed, but Abraham too, when God told him that Sarah would bear a son.
    Gen 17:17-19
    Abraham laughed

    John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day, he saw it and was glad.

    Rejoiced: both desiring and joy.
    In the promised fulfilled of a very very long yearning to a son from Sarah, Abraham saw the day of the even longer desired Son of God, and he laughed for real joy.

    One of the fruits of the Spirit is Joy.
    Joy being a part of God, who called Isaac, a type of Christ: laughter.

  177. SFDBWV says:

    I read years ago that Billy Graham ask Gandhi why Christianity had such a difficult time being accepted in India. Seeing that India is such a “religious” and “spiritual” minded people.

    Gandhi’s reply was short and simple, “It is because of Christians.”

    I am not trying to further or provoke any disagreements here, just want to say that when we “Christians” insist on correcting others at every turn of the head in an attempt to elevate ourselves “spiritually” we do a great dis-service to God.

    We are told that God is the Author of Scripture. I use the word “told” rather than read, because the “Word” is one way that the Holy Spirit speaks to us.

    It is an audible voice? Not so much in an earthly sense, but when God opens up some verse or Word of Scripture to us we actually “hear” it in a richer and full way. We not only understand it, we receive it in our intellect and it is etched on our hearts. It becomes unforgettable.

    I wish it were true that every time we read, that this spiritual awakening occurs, but it only occurs when we are ready to receive it and only God in the Person of the Holy Spirit knows when that is.

    When we pray we pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus the Son, our “Comforter” and “Helper” the Holy Spirit aids us in our prayers in ways we are not even aware of.

    Just as God exists in the Trinity, we relate and interact with Him in that same way.

    It is also “said” that we are made in His image. That isn’t confined to believing a physical image, but rather an image in the respect that like Him, we have emotions. We laugh, we cry, we get angry, we get sad, we get glad. Sometimes we are content and other times anxious. Sometimes proud of something and other times we regret.

    Just like us, God is recorded as having these same emotions and reactions, because, we are made in His image..

    Perhaps the next time you have a good laugh, you might think of God and thank Him for it.

    22 degrees f under a starry sky.


  178. bullwinkle11 says:

    If any of you are interested, Our Daily Bread contains a link for a study of the Holy Spirit. Herbert VanderLugt is the author of the study, but Mart wrote the introduction.

    Be blessed today.

  179. jeff1 says:

    I am finding that I am just as thankful for my tears as I am for my laughter happen God knows that both are good for me and doesn’t let me cherry pick.

    Our Father knows what’s best for us,
    So why should we complain-
    We always want the sunshine,
    But He knows there must be rain-
    We love the sound of laughter
    And the merriment of cheer,
    But our hearts would lose their tenderness
    If we never shed a tear . . .
    Our Father tests us often
    With suffering and with sorrow,
    He tests us, not to punish us,
    But to help us meet tomorrow . . .
    For growing trees are strengthened
    When they withstand the storm,
    And the sharp cut of the chisel
    Gives the marble grace and form . . .
    God never hurts us needlessly,
    And He never wastes our pain
    For every loss He sends to us
    Is followed by rich gain . . .
    And when we count the blessings
    That God has so freely sent,
    We will no cause for murmuring
    And no time to lament . . .
    For our Father loves His children,
    And to Him all things are plain,
    So He never sends us pleasure
    When the soul’s deep need is pain . . .
    So whenever we are troubled,
    And when everything goes wrong,
    It is just God working in us
    To make our spirit strong.

  180. Beloved says:

    Good morning I just want to add that I so appreciate those God has gifted with spiritual/scriptural knowledge, like Mart and others. Thy word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path. Worldly thinking is everywhere especially on the internet as I see Godly people get blasted every day for following Christ- as Jesus said would happen. But you are not of the world if the spirit of God is in you!
    So whenever we are troubled,
    And when everything goes wrong,
    It is just God working in us
    To make our spirit strong.

  181. Beloved says:

    I learned that what may have contributed to Ravi Z’s downfall into sin was he did not attend a church and had no accountability to anyone but himself. A good lesson for me as how easy to be deceived.
    There is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death.
    Jesus the Way, truth and life!

  182. Beloved says:

    Psalm 94:16–23


    16 Who rises up for me against the wicked?
    Who stands up for me against evildoers?
    17 if the Lord had not been my help,
    my soul would soon have lived in the land of silence.
    18 When I thought, “My foot slips,”
    your steadfast love, O Lord, held me up.
    19 When the cares of my heart are many,
    your consolations cheer my soul.
    20 Can wicked rulers be allied with you,
    those who frame2 injustice by statute?
    21 They yband together against the life of the righteous
    and condemn zthe innocent to death.3
    22 But the Lord has become my stronghold,
    and my God the rock of my refuge.
    23 He will bring back on them their iniquity
    and wipe them out for their wickedness;
    the Lord our God will wipe them out.

  183. poohpity says:

    Steve wrote; “I am not trying to further or provoke any disagreements here, just want to say that when we “Christians” insist on correcting others at every turn of the head in an attempt to elevate ourselves “spiritually” we do a great dis-service to God.” Is it arrogant to think differently or to have a more foundational knowledge of the scriptures or like everyone else in this world today better to cancel out what another thinks because we may not agree rather than to “discuss” the area of disagreement or differences of thought? In that case Paul continually was in dis-service to God as out of love corrected many times the foundation of teaching. It was not to elevate himself spiritually it was done to help people grow in their knowledge because after all there will always be someone who knows a little more than someone else or else there would be no need for teachers and/or students.

    After all no one really knows it all now do they but if they thought they did they may have a problem with the thoughts of someone else especially if those thoughts are different it may ruffle a few feathers, the feathers of the proud.

  184. poohpity says:

    Yes both Sarah and Abraham laughed AT God because they did not believe what He had told them was to be(cynical) but after Isaac was born they laughed in joy. God responded to the laughter of Sarah by saying “is anything to hard for God?”. So wouldn’t it be better when we have plans of our own to write them in pencil because we do not know what tomorrow will bring which is the reason for living that song that Viv shared, “One Day At A Time”!

    If God were to laugh AT us wouldn’t that mean that he is arrogant and pride-filled? If we even know how Jesus was in His time on earth which He said was to reveal the Father to us but yet He did nothing with arrogance or pride but with gentle humility.

  185. jeff1 says:

    Going away from topic my sister and I have been talking about the brokenness of families today and the subject came about because of the much talked about interview of Oprah Winfrey with Megan Markle and her husband Prince Harry.

    Their revelations has sent shock waves through the world and left the British Monarch in a precarious position.

    There is at this time a threat for the breakup of the UK i.e. many in Scotland and Northern Ireland wanting to breakaway from England and Wales.

    I would like to draw your attention to the Queen’s role as Head of the Church of England.

    The majority in NI being Protestant support the role of the Queen as Defender of the Faith.

    The position of the monarch role is acknowledged in the preface to the Thirty-Nine Articles of 1562. It states that:

    Being by God’s Ordinance, according to Our just Title, Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church, within these Our Dominions, We hold it most agreeable to this Our Kingly Office, and Our own religious zeal, to conserve and maintain the Church committed to Our Charge, in Unity of true Religion, and in the Bond of Peace … We have therefore, upon mature Deliberation, and with the Advice of so many of Our Bishops as might conveniently be called together, thought fit to make this Declaration following … That We are Supreme Governor of the Church of England …

    Article 37 makes this claim to royal supremacy more explicit:

    The Queen’s Majesty hath the chief power in this Realm of England, and other her Dominions, unto whom the chief Government of all Estates of this Realm, whether they be Ecclesiastical or Civil, in all causes doth appertain, and is not, nor ought to be, subject to any foreign Jurisdiction. … [We] give not to our Princes the ministering either of God’s Word, or of the Sacraments … but only that prerogative, which we see to have been given always to all godly Princes in holy Scriptures by God himself; that is, that they should rule all estates and degrees committed to their charge by God, whether they be Ecclesiastical or Temporal, and restrain with the civil sword the stubborn and evildoers. The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.[6]

    Precarious times indeed.

  186. poohpity says:

    Viv, those beliefs are the very reason we have our first amendment that the government will not establish the church but all will be free to worship how they see fit thus the freedom of religion.

    Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” to see the truth in that each Christian should take a good look in the mirror at themselves (gentle humility) rather than pointing their finger at others (pride-filled).

  187. Beloved says:

    So like the devil (Gandhi) to make Christ’s followers feel inadequate (which we are) when it’s Christ in us that receives the glory.

  188. poohpity says:

    Yes Beloved, someone should have shared with Gandhi because Christians are the way they are is the very reason that Christ went to the Cross and the reason why grace is so important to be shared with even our enemies.

  189. poohpity says:

    However I would not call Gandhi the Devil because he was just another human being, doing human things. The devil has powers that a human being does not have.

  190. Beloved says:

    Jesus called Peter a devil- Satan. Not because of peters human abilities but because he was not thinking like God thinks. Anti- Christ

  191. Beloved says:

    We either walk the narrow path or the one that leads to destruction. Who is the destroyer but the one called Satan. Philosophical views such as Buddhism try to say there is another path. Who do we listen to? That’s a personal question we all must ask ourselves at one time or another. Who do you say that I am? Jesus asks.

  192. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, when the Protestants in NI were under attack from evil who supported the oppressors only Americans who sent funds to the IRA because they believed the Irish should have their freedom.

    What about the freedom of the majority of Protestants in NI who choose to be British, did the world care about their right to choose, I think not.

    Libya, Spain and terrorists from all over sent weapons and bomb making materials and for 30 years my fellow country men/women/children died because terror was used to deprive someone else of their freedom to choose.

    When has the world ever been a friend to Northern Ireland Protestants, which is why we put our trust in God and as far as we are concerned the Queen is of King David’s lineage and the upholder of the faith until Christ’s return.

    The Queen is the same to us here as the Pope is to Roman Catholics and we have been persecuted for 30 years for that loyalty but remain firm in our stance.

    We are not trying to take away the religious rights of Roman Catholics here who choose the Pope as their head but are being made to look as if we are.

  193. Beloved says:

    Viv I personally think it does no good to defend or condemn nations or religions or ideologies as they are important I know to those in love with their countries. I too enjoy living where I am free to come and go and see it as a real blessing for this time in eternity but I must keep my eyes focused on the hope of the certainty that lies ahead through Jesus.

    17Join one another in following my example, brothers, and carefully observe those who walk according to the pattern we set for you. 18For as I have often told you before, and now say again even with tears: Many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things.

    20But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.

  194. street says:

    Gandhi’s reply was short and simple, “It is because of Christians.”

    Should gandhi have said because of hypocrites?

    think the difference between witnessing and You will be My witness? what is the difference? one is of the flesh and the other is supernatural. some deny the power of the Gospel.

    as His witness the response of others can discouraging or even frightening. as paul said in labor, as a woman in labor, till Christ is formed in you.

    thinking about subordination to God and government. paul insisted on both.

    thinking about the alter that was built in Joshua that almost led to war withing israel. sin in the camp is determental to all. war my be necessary. thinking of the temple court of the heart that Jesus will clear out the den of robbers before it can be made a court that honors God. it’s more personal then national.

  195. foreverblessed says:

    25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

    Maybe Ravi should have listened to that advice of Paul, 1 Cor 9:25-27
    But I find it very very sad too. I try to give this sadness to Jesus, and leave it with Him.

  196. street says:

    i guess we want a government so we can go off and do what we want and not be responsible and have a scapegoat when things go south. to start with emptiness is to end with emptiness.

    the gift of tears.

    may you be surprised by joy.

    ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.”

    “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again; 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I, Jesus, will give him shall never be thirsty; but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up to eternal life.”

    “Have faith in God. 23 Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted to him. 24 Therefore, I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted to you.

    7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written: ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

    25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”

  197. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    March 10, 2021 at 11:50 am

    Viv, I personally think it does no good to defend or condemn nations or religions or ideologies as they are important I know to those in love with their countries.

    Beloved, your nation is a mighty power so I don’t expect you to understand what it was like to be oppressed by terrorism.

    Christians are just as likely to turn a blind eye to evil unless its happening on their doorstep from what I see in the world.

  198. Beloved says:

    That was a pretty broad statement I made and sensed it may be taken wrong when I sent it. I’m not, as a Christian, insensitive or blind to the needs of the world. I do some praying and supporting those in need although not nearly enough. I tend to be lazy and greedy at times. To the hurt of others. I hate what God hates; Wars, mans inhumanity to man, greed, murder, sex abuse etc. And pride, as I see it in my own heart. Sneaking out like the snake it came from. But there’s the greater thing I as a Christian have and that is a Savior, who gave His life so I could live forever in His house, His kingdom. I can’t understand your pain and trauma, Viv, but Jesus can and does. He lived it and relives it with you each day. He will never judge or misjudge you. He’s perfect and was perfectly suited to bear the weight of your sin and infirmities. He’s alive right here in the present. Just, merciful and humble to present you to God as you ask for His help. May He bless you with the full knowledge of His love and kindness to you.

  199. Beloved says:

    As a Christian I am far more sinful and full of evil than you can imagine. Blindness is just the tip of the iceberg. But Jesus! Oh what a Savior!

  200. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I see myself as a follower of Christ in that I confess my sins and partake of Holy Communion to cleanse them and strengthen me from acting out my sins.

    That to me is the difference in a Christian and a non the intention to omit from sin.

    While I agree that does not make me any purer in God’s eyes it is the difference in how I live my life here and now.

    It is in believing that I am resisting evil that I see fit to call myself a Christian or would you say that is me blinding myself and if we are all blinding ourselves then what is the point of Christianity.

  201. Beloved says:

    What is the point of Christianity. Great question. Resisting evil is good. Feeding the poor is good. All that stuff. The point is that we are dead in trespasses and sins so we need a Savior.

    Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life. He who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. There will always be wars and rumors of wars, there will always be poor people Jesus said. There will always be law keepers doing good things. But if He doesn’t know them and they don’t know Him it’s all pointless works. Taking communion does not erase sin, only Jesus does that. We disagree because of our religious orientation. Just like Protestant and catholic disagree.

    For you Viv, what is your point for being Christian? (This is a friendly questioning so please don’t hear hostility in my voice).

  202. poohpity says:

    Viv, David was from the lineage of Jews/Jesus and I do not think the Queen is of that lineage. God told Israel that they did not need a King because they had Him but they wanted to be like the nations around them but God told them that any ruler other than God would be oppressive to the people they ruled over. So please do not put Queen Elizabeth II to even equal David, first I do not believe she is even Jewish, second she never ruled over Israel. The Pope is only a man in a religion created by man for man which means nothing to me actually He has put himself in the place of where only Christ should be.

  203. Beloved says:

    It is in believing that I am resisting evil that I see fit to call myself a Christian

    I guess you already answered the question. Sorry I can’t think along too many thoughts at once. Had to reread it.

  204. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, the Queen is head of our country so I shall do as I please and I said she was of the lineage which is not equalling her to King David if you could understand English.

    Just because you come from a mighty nation don’t get high and mighty with me as your just a sinner like myself whether you like it or not you need Jesus just as I do no matter how superior you think you are – its your own blindness.

  205. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I don’t think you have much room to be critical of the Pope or anyone else for that matter as who set you up as judge of the earth?

    Your always talking about looking in the mirror I suggest you get a magnifying one and you might see clearer.

  206. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I fail to see the point of Christianity today as it has become divisive and it seems to drive more people away from God than to Him.

    I believe when we take our focus off Christ then we loose the humility to serve others without judging and that is not God’s intention to my way of thinking but it is what has happened in the world from what I can see.

  207. Beloved says:

    The point of Christianity is not lost on those who as we speak are being raped tortured and slain , having their homes confiscated and loved ones killed because they follow Christ. It’s been happening since the first century. Please pray for girls being kidnapped from school in Nigeria.

  208. Beloved says:

    Can’t imagine the fear of being removed from family and horrifically treated not knowing how when or if it will all end.

  209. street says:

    I fail to see the point of Christianity today as it has become divisive and it seems to drive more people away from God than to Him.

    34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Matthew 10

    20 Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 14

    10 You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11 my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

    11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

    12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

  210. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, even non Christians are doing good today in countries where persecution is rife and also give of their wealth and generosity.

    The reality is that God does not answer Prayers as we expect Him to and so using force on our enemies seems right to some.

    I cannot say I have been persecuted for my faith in Christ and I am not alone when it comes to having been persecuted for my patriotism so I cannot claim to have suffered for the Gospel.

    You, on the other hand believe you have suffered for the Gospel so perhaps the divide in Christianity comes because not everyone with faith in Christ believes they have suffered for Christ i.e. there is a difference in believing and going out in the world and putting yourself in danger to proclaim

    In todays world it is not enough to practise my faith and therefor there is a difference in being a follower of Jesus as they will suffer persecution because they are in parts of the world that are hostile to Christ while I am not.

    We live in different times than Christ did so different roles apply.

  211. jeff1 says:

    Being a Christ follower in the world today is as dangerous as it was in Christ’s time for those who are suffering for the Gospel.

  212. foreverblessed says:

    Tell me Jeff, your dad never did choose a side, isn’t that what you have told about him? Your dad chose for Jesus Christ!

  213. jeff1 says:

    Yes, but my dad was a very single minded man for when I ask him why he did not join the orange order as was custom for his culture he informed me that he had been a member of the orange order since he was a boy but never felt the need to parade his patriotism.

    In my culture that was not a popular stance but my dad was not one for caring what others thought of him while I wanted to be accepted in my culture as most did take sides back in the day of the troubles.

    My dad had the insight to see that there was nothing right about what either culture was doing but believe me that was not a view shared by many nor has it improved much to this day.

    Religions alongside patriotism/culture recreate God in their image but try telling that to someone who has been following and believing their culture for generations and you will hit a brick wall.

    I once tried to speak to my friend who attends the ‘burning of Lundy’ yearly as is the tradition of Protestants here because I believed she was being lied to and though we are friends since childhood and anything I know of the Bible she taught me I was told bluntly to keep my thoughts to myself as she would believe as she has always believed so when people have made up their minds that they have the right teaching they change God to suit their beliefs and have blinded themselves in doing so.

    It was my dad who kept preaching to me that I needed to be on God’s side which is why I see differently to many of my fellow country men and women but that does not stop me from understanding them as I did take their side against my dad back in the day when hostilities were at their highest.

    I did choose my religion over Christ but I did get it wrong which is why I understand my country men and women so well.

  214. poohpity says:

    Frankly Viv, I do not care what you think of me either but as I asked before is your Queen of Jewish descent? That is not putting her down but you said she was from the linage of King David that would make her Jewish. That was all I was asking. As for the Pope I do not think any more of him than I do about anyone else he is just a man. That is not a judgement just a fact. My only King is Jesus and the only head of the Church that I will bow down to is also Jesus. No religion is superior to another both were created by man to serve man and I have a relationship with Jesus not with a religion. Oh by the way I am Jewish so isn’t it OK to ask about that or should I not ask questions or voice my opinion like the rest of you do only with me I do not resort to name calling or put downs. Does that make be better than anyone else? No just more respectful.

  215. foreverblessed says:

    This discussion about God laughing, has berought some new knowledge to me. It is like an adventure, things in the Word of God where I have wondered about, and then new insight comes, now thanks to this discussion.

    Psalm 2:4 I always wondered what really was meant, God laughing, as it seems God is portrayed in human terms. And God is not like that at all.

    We seem to be put on a “wrong foot”, (that is a Dutch saying)

    It brought me to Sarah laughing, and then to Abraham laughing. And there I learned that the saying of Jesus:

    John 8:56 Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad.
    was linked to Genesis 17:17-19,

    that the laughing of Abraham was that of great joy and pure wonder: (sorry Pooh, it could be that the way you think about the laughing of Abraham may not be the total truth)

    That the desired child, deeply wanted, finally did come, and that he saw that it was connected to the Son of God:

    the desire of the nations, Haggai 2:7

    Greatly desired, the Son of God would come, and the type is Isaac ( = He laughs) The laughter is that of pure Joy, and delight, that the long long awaited Savior would come.

    Tha nations had devious plans, but God had a plan to divert that: A Savior, who not only would pay for their sins (if they believed in Him) but would also change their hearts.
    The Body and the Blood

    …. God indeed did laugh, not laughing at His enemies, but laughing out of pure joy, and delight!
    What a great solutions they will bring!

    This is My Beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.
    Luke 3:21-22

    At that point, when Jesus was baptized, there was The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
    Just read that last bit on the ODB lessons on the Holy Spirit, in a course of the christian university.

  216. poohpity says:

    Forever, you may want to read when Abraham laughed at what was told him by the angels. In Genesis 17 so I just shared what was written in scripture. I guess it sounds different when someone else says it then it does when I say it.

    Regarding the Pope; Mark 12: Jesus also taught: “Beware of these teachers of religious law! For they like to parade around in flowing robes and receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces. 39 And how they love the seats of honor in the synagogues and the head table at banquets. Also read Matt 25

  217. Beloved says:

    Scripture Union

    Lord, You are the master of debate.

    Scripture Reference
    Mark 11:27–33NASB
    Jesus’ Authority Questioned
    27 And they *came again to Jerusalem. And as He was walking in the temple area, the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders *came to Him, 28 and began saying to Him, “By what authority are You doing these things, or who gave You this authority to do these things?” 29 But Jesus said to them, “I will ask you one question, and you answer Me, and then I will tell you by what authority I do these things. 30 Was the baptism of John from heaven, or from men? Answer Me.” 31 And they began considering the implications among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say, ‘Then why did you not believe him?’ 32 But should we say, ‘From men’?”—they were afraid of the [a]people, for they all considered John to have been a real prophet. 33 Answering Jesus, they *said, “We do not know.” And Jesus *said to them, “Neither am I telling you by what authority I do these things.”

    a Mark 11:32 Lit crowd
    “Isn’t He beautiful; beautiful, isn’t He? Prince of peace, Son of God, isn’t He? Isn’t He wonderful; wonderful, isn’t He? Counselor, Almighty God, isn’t He?” (John Wimber, 1980).

    Think Further
    In today’s reading, it’s Tuesday of Passion Week. The Jewish leaders continue their plot to kill Jesus (18). They put to Jesus a question not in search of truth but in search of entrapment. Presumably, they hope that Jesus’ answer will damage His ministry and His following, or frame Him for blasphemy. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they demand to know (28). By “these things” they mean the cursing of the fig tree and the clearing of the temple – that is, the pronouncement of judgment on Israel (Cole, 1995, p 250–251).

    But Jesus, true to form, answers their question with a question of His own. “John’s baptism – was it of heavenly or human origin?’(30). Just as John’s ministry was ultimately about Jesus, so is this question. If John’s baptism – and his ministry – are of God, then the Jewish leaders would have to believe all that John pronounced
    about Jesus – not least that He is “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world …God’s Chosen One” (John 1:29–34). If John’s authority is from God, so too is that of Jesus – and if His authority is from God, then He is to be heeded and followed.

    So it is not Jesus who is trapped – for the Son of God can never be cornered – but those who seek to trap him. They are trapped not by Jesus’ questioning (Cole, p258), but by their own unwillingness to believe based on the evidence put before them during the ministry of John and of Jesus Himself. Many people are trapped in the same way today; let us pray that God in His mercy will open the eyes of the blind and set the oppressed free (Luke 4:18).

    “Power and authority, splendor and dignity, bow to his mastery, Jesus is Lord!” (Timothy Dudley-Smith, 1984, “Name of All Majesty”). Make this your prayer; pray it also for someone who is yet to believe in Jesus.

    Closing Prayer
    Lord, thank You for opening my eyes and understanding those years ago. Thank You that I am no longer one of Your opponents.

  218. foreverblessed says:

    “Yes both Sarah and Abraham laughed AT God because they did not believe what He had told them was to be(cynical)”
    Citing Pooh.

    With Sarah, that might be true, as she was reprimanded by the angel. But with Abraham, what Pooh writes is an interpretation. According to John 8:56 Abraham rejoiced. So this could mean Abraham was laughing because of great wonder and surprise.
    Just as the laughing of God is not at humans, as it may seem to say so, but….. God is laughing out of pure joy, because of Jesus, the Savior of mankind.

  219. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    March 11, 2021 at 8:34 am
    Frankly Viv, I do not care what you think of me either but as I asked before is your Queen of Jewish descent? That is not putting her down but you said she was from the linage of King David that would make her Jewish. That was all I was asking. As for the Pope I do not think any more of him than I do about anyone else he is just a man. That is not a judgement just a fact. My only King is Jesus and the only head of the Church that I will bow down to is also Jesus. No religion is superior to another both were created by man to serve man and I have a relationship with Jesus not with a religion. Oh by the way I am Jewish so isn’t it OK to ask about that or should I not ask questions or voice my opinion like the rest of you do only with me I do not resort to name calling or put downs. Does that make be better than anyone else? No just more respectful.

    The more of the truth I discover the more I realize I was fed lies for the greatest part of my life by religious and political leaders who fed my generation what suited them and
    they never cared that they were causing unrest or sowing seeds of destruction as long as they were in power and so I dare say I was even lied to about the Queen.

    My dad knew I was a fool for listening and I have suffered the consequences of it so now I put what matters in life first and religion and politics are far down the list.

    These days I don’t care what another persons believes or their nationality as it is how they treat people that matters and not who they are.

    People call themselves Christian but its just a word without actions it means nothing and I have learned that peoples word doesn’t count for much because there’re capable of lying to make themselves look good.

    Jesus is worthy of worship and praise but the rest of religious leaders I gave a wide berth as you can fool people some of the time but not all of the time.

    As my dear mum would say lies don’t stay buried and so those who try to con others are only conning themselves in the long run.

  220. poohpity says:

    Oh my Gosh forever what reason do I have to lie to you about what is written in scripture? I have no reason to do that ever.

    This is about Abraham laughing in disbelief (cynically) in Gen 17: 17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed and said to himself, “Shall a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?”

    This is about Sarah laughing from disbelief (cynically) in Gen 18: 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah. 12 So Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I am worn out, and my lord is old, shall I have pleasure?” 13 The Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Shall I indeed bear a child, now that I am old?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, about this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son.” 15 But Sarah denied it, saying, “I did not laugh,” for she was afraid. He said, “No, but you did laugh.”

  221. Beloved says:

    Proverbs4:23Watch over your heart with all diligence,
    For from it flow the springs of life.

  222. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, be at peace. It is not a matter of lying. At face value, you might think that Abraham laughed at God. That is exactly as what I always believed too.

    But maybe it was different than that. As John 8:56 may seem to say.

    We are here on a blog of Mart, and it is Mart that gave the example on humility. He always says: it seems to me.

  223. foreverblessed says:

    Why do the nations conspire[a]
    and the peoples plot in vain?
    The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
    “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles.”

    The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
    He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    This at first glance, and besides also at second glance might say that God laughs AT humans.
    But you have discussed this too at length. God is not like that.
    Could it be that the laughing of Abraham was a type of the laughing God does?
    Just a thought
    That there is much more than we read at superficial glance of Genesis 17:17-19

    One thing is sure: Isaac was greatly desired, and long awaited.
    But compared to the desire for Jesus and the long waiting for Him it was just peanuts.

    Anyway, the following verse is often used that Jesus is God too:

    will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

    He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.

    One great

  224. foreverblessed says:


    In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure (laughing about it) and will- to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One Hè loves.
    Eph 1:4-5

    (Destined to be the first to hope in Christ, Eph 1:12)

  225. SFDBWV says:

    March 12, 2021
    The Limited Knowledge of Jesus
    “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32)

    This verse has always been difficult to understand. If Jesus was God, how could He be ignorant of the time of His second coming? Indeed He was, and is, God, but He also was, and is, man. This is a part of the mystery of the divine/human nature of Christ. In the gospel record, we see frequent evidences of His humanity (He grew weary, for example, and suffered pain), but also many evidences of deity (His virgin birth, His resurrection and ascension, as well as His perfect words and deeds).

    He had been in glory with the Father from eternity (John 17:24), but when He became man, “in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren” (Hebrews 2:17), except for sin. As a child, He “increased in wisdom and stature” like any other human (Luke 2:52). Through diligent study (as a man), He acquired great wisdom in the Scriptures and the plan of God. After His baptism and the acknowledgment from heaven of His divine Sonship (e.g., Matthew 3:16-17), He increasingly manifested various aspects of His deity, but He still remained fully human.

    With respect to the time of the end, this depends in some degree on human activity. For example, He said that “the gospel must first be published among all nations” (Mark 13:10), and only God the Father could foresee just when men will have accomplished this. Although the glorified Son presumably now shares this knowledge, in His self-imposed human limitations He did not.

    In no way does this compromise His deity. In our own finite humanity, we cannot comprehend fully the mystery of the divine/human nature of Christ, but He has given us more than sufficient reason to believe His Word! HMM

    From Days of Praise this morning.


  226. jeff1 says:

    Joseph and Mary went searching three days
    for the son they had raised,
    they found him teaching in the temple
    and this he had to say,
    (I’m doing my father’s business)
    I’m doing my father’s business
    the elders had never heard
    such wisdom so they ask,
    how, when and where
    and who is this child with the word,

    (Son, whats your name?)
    On my mother’s side, my name is Jesus
    On my Father’s side, Emmanuel
    (Son, how old are you?)
    On my Mother’s side, I’m 12 years
    On my Father’s side, I’ve always been.
    (And where were you born?)
    On my Mother’s side, I was born in Bethleham
    On my Father’s side, down in Jerusulam,
    (What are your plans son?)
    On my Mother’s side, I will be crucified
    On my Father’s side, in three days I will rise, I will rise
    and sit at my Father’s side,
    On my mother’s side, my name is Jesus
    On my Father’s side, Emmanuel
    On my Mother’s side, I will be crucified
    On my Father’s side, In three days I will rise
    I will rise, I will rise

  227. poohpity says:

    Just something to think about. It seems to me that what Jesus spoke in John 8:56 was referring back to what God told Abraham after He stepped out in faith to sacrifice Isaac but God provided the ram instead in Genesis 22:17-18; “I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendants like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore (the nation of Israel). Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies. 18 And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” There it seems that God was speaking about Jesus the Messiah coming.

  228. poohpity says:

    Which seems to me had nothing whatsoever to do with the laughing part that happened earlier in the conversation between the Angel of God and Abraham’s disbelief about the inability to have a child in his old age.

  229. poohpity says:

    One had to do with the coming birth of Isaac (laughing) and the other it seems happened when Isaac was around 14 which I am not really sure about his age at that time but it was long after the birth when Abraham was going to sacrifice him.

  230. poohpity says:

    It seems to be one of those “Divine Parallels” in the sacrifice of Isaac Abraham’s only son from the promise to Him and Sarah that from their seed all the nations would be blessed although Abraham had another son from the bond servant when they took matters into their own hands rather than waiting for the promise to be fulfilled from the Lord.

  231. poohpity says:

    It would seem that no one in the middle east is laughing now over that lack of faith when Abraham and Sarah decided to act on their own which caused many problems in the future for Israel because of linage of Ishmael.

  232. Beloved says:

    Good afternoon thinkers!

    Reading through Proverbs this jumped out at me:

    2: 6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
    from his mouth come knowledge and understanding;

    7 he stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
    he is a shield to those who walk in integrity,

    8 guarding the paths of justice
    and watching over the way of his saints.

  233. Beloved says:

    I am Thine, O Lord, I have heard Thy voice,
    And it told Thy love to me;
    But I long to rise in the arms of faith,
    And be closer drawn to Thee.
    Draw me nearer, nearer, blessed Lord,
    To the cross where Thou hast died;
    Draw me nearer, nearer, nearer, blessed Lord,
    To Thy precious, bleeding side.
    Consecrate me now to Thy service, Lord,
    By the pow’r of grace divine;
    Let my soul look up with a steadfast hope,
    And my will be lost in Thine.
    O the pure delight of a single hour
    That before Thy throne I spend,
    When I kneel in prayer, and with Thee, my God,
    I commune as friend with friend!
    There are depths of love that I yet may know
    Ere Thee face to face I see;
    There are heights of joy that I yet may reach
    Ere I rest in peace with Thee.

  234. foreverblessed says:

    What a wonderful Proverb, thanks for giving it, and that beautiful love song!
    I was reading in Romans 4&5

    Ere heights of joy that I yet may reach:

    Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[e] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance…
    Rom 5:1-3

    In faith we follow Christ, the Holy Spirit will guide us in more love, joy, peace…

    Dear Pooh, how wonderful that you speak in terms of: it seems.

    You might be right that Abraham later believed, were it not for what is written in Romans 4:17-22

    That in Gen 15:6, a long time before he laughed, Abraham was already unwavering in his faith.

    When we see Abraham, we will ask him. Maybe we can ask Jesus together, when we may talk to Him face to face.

    In Hebrews 11:11 it says, that though Sarah had a moment of weak faith, it was soon turned into faith. For by faith she received strength to conceive.

    Back to Abraham:
    Rom 5:20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”

    23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone,

    24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

  235. foreverblessed says:

    That last passage was Romans 4:20-25

  236. poohpity says:

    Forever, don’t want to ruin your opinion of me but I often use it seems or it says to me or other little phrases that denotes I know I can be wrong and do not know it all.

  237. jeff1 says:

    Sweet peace, deep peace
    In Jesus Messiah;
    No fear, no fear
    Is found in Him.
    His Spirit will flow
    And fill all creation
    With peace in the fullness of God.

    The wolf with the lamb,
    The calf with the lion –
    A child will be their shepherd.
    They will live as one.
    The Lord will reign
    In justice forever,
    And wrong will be no more.

  238. jeff1 says:

    The song such a contrast to the world we live in reflecting that God’s Ways are higher than human understanding.

    Living in a farming community I can imagine the farmer would laugh at the idea if someone suggested putting a lion in with his calf’s as I am sure like myself he visited the lion park when it was open here and there were strict safety measures in place so that we did not get anyway close to the lions.

    Why is it that the stories in the Bible can seem far fetched to what our world looks like today as if I am being honest would I step into the lion’s den and expect God to save me from being ravaged.

    I believe I would have had to have some revelation from God before I would take such a step as the prospect of it seems not just laughable but certifiable.

    The Biblical stories make my faith seem small in comparison to theirs’s as what does it mean in the modern world to believe in God.

    I imagine it means different things to different people because of the diversity of our communities today.

    I was raised in the faith while today many are born into a world where scientific beliefs are more widely held and conflict with believing in God as the creator.

    Its a very different world to ancient times and so we face new challenges and one of them is that many just do not believe in the existence of God.

    I know from knowing non Christians that many do not blame God because they just don’t believe He is there to begin with and I include members of my own family.

    Its a very diverse world and just like I hear this week from the Royal correspondent that the monarch are going to have to re-evaluate what has been for generations their response to attacks on them i.e. saying little or nothing is not an acceptable response anymore then it seems that Christianity may need to re-think how effective it is in the modern world as it just isn’t convincing many that God not only exists but He is loving and caring for there are still many who see God as unapproachable today and that is because Christianity as a whole as not reflected Him as a God full of goodness towards His creation and as a believer I think I have to take some responsibility for failing God as I have not always behaved in a manner becoming a follower of Christ.

  239. poohpity says:

    It would seem that in today’s times that no one in the western civilization would be thrown to the Lion’s den for praying rather they shoot them or behead them instead. I would rather be left to God’s creation the Lion which He has control over than to the demise of a human that every intent of their heart is evil that were given free will.

    I can not fathom being killed for reading my bible or believing in God but many are. I can not imagine being burned alive or killed with poison gas because of my Jewish heritage but thousands were. I can imagine people disliking you because you think differently so they call you names and put you down which happens daily in our present times.

    I used to believe that in our western culture we had the freedom to share our opinions without being targeted for violence but over the last 5 years that has happened by the left against those on the right repeatedly. Statues torn down, businesses burned, destruction of people and property, the police massacred, a virus being passed around the world to cause such fear and death etc..

    How about killing millions of babies because you do not have time for them or like their gender or their skin color or if they may be unusual in some way?

    Oh my gosh there are so many things that I could not imagine but are a reality today that are just as horrible as things done in the past just by different means!

  240. poohpity says:

    I think today we have been desensitized to how horrible things really are because so many movies and video games have so much violence and blood shed it does not effect us as it once did. It seems many accept corruption of the governments, the media and those we once looked up to because we have chosen to hide our heads in the sand and just give our trust freely without putting people to the test before we trust them.

  241. jeff1 says:

    I don’t find here that people do trust leaders because of past experiences but being a democracy I don’t see that people have much choice as when elected those in power can suit themselves and if there is anything going on by the time the public finds out about it those who are corrupt are long gone or the evidence has mysteriously disappeared.

    My mum used to say that a person’s occupation can change their character and I am beginning to understand her reasoning as when it comes to politics if you weren’t corrupt before you went into it chances are you will be before you get out of it.

    My dad had very little to say when it came to politics or religion and I think it is because he knew they are murky worlds and he was much too honest a man to get involved with either.

  242. SFDBWV says:

    Being involved in a community of any kind, especially of believers, I use the word “we” more often than I when discussing mutual issues. That doesn’t imply any inclusive or exclusive with regards to my use of words.

    Having posted that disclaimer I want to say that in reading and studying the Bible, one of the things that stand out to me is the fact that the “Book of Books” is not so much about the people God uses in the narrative, but rather it is about God, and more specific about the relationship between the Father, the Son and His creation all woven together in the very brief encounters of the human characters He uses to tell the story.

    Just using Abraham as an example, here we have a man very long into his age who has an encounter with God and then subsequently several very supernatural encounters with Him as well. But we only read of the time God interacted with Abraham. There is much more untold about the years Abraham lived.

    And this is so with every character in the Bible.

    From Genesis to Revelation the story is about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. His plan for creation from beginning to end.

    Nothing changes or alters that story. It is what it is and is what it is to be.

    So what of us all now, we believers and all of humanity? We no longer are necessary in telling the story, we are left to live with a belief that the story is “true”.

    Live out our lives from the cradle to the grave with expectations, hopes and desires all dependent and relying on what we believe to carry us along.

    “Until the fullness of the Gentiles”

    God no longer sends Prophets to tell His people His intentions or speak for Him. He has given mankind direct connection to Him by way of giving Himself to them in the Person of the Holy Spirit.

    But why?

    I think that during the two thousand years plus since the Holy Spirit has been given to man in this way, that God is growing a crop of people who will be used in the coming thousand year reign of Jesus’ return and reign on earth.

    Used to aid in the governing and rule of those who survive the tribulation and who repopulate the world. Once again to rebellion.

    Then the end comes and all things are made new and all the former things are forgotten.

    Our seventy plus years here and now are blessed because we have the constant companion of the Holy Spirit.

    It was not so for all of the story leading up to Pentecost.

    Our lives are froth with the daily activities of living and by and through them we learn from them and the nurturing of God in the presence of the Holy Spirit how to live, so that when we return with Jesus, and He has quickened us, we are ready to be of use for Him in that coming age.

    The story, while involving us, is never about us. It remains about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.


  243. jeff1 says:

    Very well said, Steve, and sounds about right as this seems to be more about learning as each day I either learn something new or have been corrected about something I thought I already new.

    Jesus encourages and comforts us as we live in a complex world that seems otherwise alien to us.

  244. Beloved says:

    Thank you, Father, that you did not create, us then forget about us.

  245. Beloved says:

    More proverbs to ponder

    Proverbs 8:32-36 NASB1995

    “Now therefore, O sons, listen to me, For blessed are they who keep my ways.

    Heed instruction and be wise, And do not neglect it.

    Blessed is the man who listens to me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at my doorposts.

    For he who finds me finds life And obtains favor from the LORD.

    But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death.”

  246. Beloved says:

    (me) in the proverb is wisdom.

  247. Beloved says:

    More proverbs

    Proverbs 9:10 NAS
    10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

    11 For by me your days will be multiplied, And years of life will be added to you.

    12 If you are wise, you are wise for yourself, And if you scoff, you alone will bear it.

  248. Beloved says:

    I love the whole of Proverbs8 it is amazing to think about😊

  249. Beloved says:

    To bring it to today’s blog post it’s through the Father Son and Holy Spirit we, mere mortals, have access to the wisdom of and before the ages. Wow

  250. Beloved says:

    30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always * before Him,

    31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth, And having my delight in the sons of men.

  251. jeff1 says:

    I walk the dark Emmaus road
    With God so far away.
    Despair has left me broken here
    Too weak and blind to pray.

    One comes to me I cannot see
    And helps me understand.
    Through passing sorrows now I know
    A wise and loving hand.

    When pain or loss consume my joy,
    I cry for quick relief,
    But God would treat a deeper need:
    My fear and unbelief.

    You know my need, You know my path
    With all that lies ahead.
    Stay near, my Lord, my God, my Host,
    And break my daily bread.

  252. poohpity says:

    From what I know which is not very much God gifted us with the Holy Spirit to fulfill His mission on earth and gave us many many things to do while we are here but really just ONE main thing (Matt 28:16-20) and this is His command which many of His followers also do not do either (John 13:34; 15:12,17). Sadly not many follow through on what He told us to do.

    It seems fussing and fighting over what scripture says but never really doing what it says seems to be the way of life but even when I do not do what I am guided to do it completely amazes me that God is still faithful to loving me. It is so exciting to share what Jesus means to me and the forgiveness He gave me so I could get off the streets and away from drugs and alcohol. It is for me exciting to teach His word, to be involved in the prayer ministry and to lead people to Jesus by telling them just how much the Lord wants a relationship with them by giving them a new way to live because He actually does change us for the better and heals our broken state of being.

    The Lord gave us so much to do while we are in this flesh because when we get to heaven we do not do work there and we realize that the work we do here and now is because of Him living His life through us.

  253. poohpity says:

    If anyone actually has any time to read what actually happened on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:13-35.

  254. poohpity says:

    Be amazed!

  255. Beloved says:

    Thank you for the lovely verse about Emmaus. I too long to see Him face to face; and not just a brief glimpse as the disciples saw Him or even as those of us who have been so blessed to see Him briefly in dreams and visions. We are always left longing for more because even scripture as wonderful as it is does not do justice to the Reality of the Living God. In the meantime there’s grief sorrow pain all that stuff. But Christ was faithful as a Son over his house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end. Hebrews3

  256. Beloved says:

    We are always left longing for more because even scripture as wonderful as it is does not do justice to the Reality of the Living God.

    I was thinking of how scripture is used and abused by people to make money or to create an audience. How the devil uses it to distort Gods goodness. Holy Spirit is what it takes to reinvigorate the once God- breathed words. Just as Jesus needed to explain the scriptures on way to Emmaus. Holy parallel indeed.

  257. Beloved says:

    Thinking it’s not scripture that’s the problem. 🤔

  258. foreverblessed says:

    Wasn’t our hearts burning within us?

    Jesus appearing to them, and first asking questions, really good, to think about when meeting people, asking questions!

    Did not the Christ (Messiah) have to suffer these things and then enter His glory? And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself.

    Jesus did some apologetics!
    It is very good there are people who can teach and explain, and talk to people unfamiliar with Christ. Like Paul could talk to Greeks, from their perspective, and preach Christ.

  259. foreverblessed says:

    One of the Prophets, about the suffering Servant:

    The Sovereign Lord has given me a well-instructed tongue,
    to know the word that sustains the weary.
    He wakens me morning by morning,
    wakens my ear to listen like one being instructed.
    The Sovereign Lord has opened my ears;
    I have not been rebellious,
    I have not turned away.
    I offered my back to those who beat me,
    my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
    I did not hide my face
    from mocking and spitting.
    Because the Sovereign Lord helps me,
    I will not be disgraced.
    Therefore have I set my face like flint,
    and I know I will not be put to shame.
    He who vindicates me is near.
    Who then will bring charges against me?
    Let us face each other!
    Who is my accuser?
    Let him confront me!
    It is the Sovereign Lord who helps me.
    Who will condemn me?
    They will all wear out like a garment;
    the moths will eat them up.

    Isaiah 50:4-9

  260. foreverblessed says:

    Bullwinkle, the series on the Holy Spirit you talked about, what is the name, and in what site can I find it. Because the series I found is a different one:
    We believe in the Holy Spirit, by Dr Ramesh Richard.

    It is also good though.

  261. SFDBWV says:

    OK friends please allow me a moment to vent…

    This morning is the morning we have “lost” an hour and have reset our clocks ahead an hour.

    I hate it!!!!!

    There is no way anyone will ever convince me that we save energy by the time change. Don’t try, I am too old to buy into that lie.

    When I was a boy, in the summer, work places would change their starting and stopping hours in order to give their employees that extra hour of daylight at home after work.

    As simple as that.

    Then along comes the federal government employees who want that same extra hour in the evening, so rather than simply alter starting and quitting time they tried to make the entire country change the clock settings.

    In those days states who wanted to do so did, and states who did not did not.

    Any farmer will tell you that cows need milking when they need milking, they don’t use a clock. Chickens lay eggs when they lay eggs they also don’t use clocks.

    My body never adjusts to the clock change I am forced by our government to do. I will remain off kilter all summer until fall when the clocks are reset with the actual alignment of the sun and stars.

    Well thank you for your patience in letting me vent.

    Hope all of you have a better start to your day than me.


  262. jeff1 says:

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    And my love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side
    (Yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  263. bullwinkle11 says:

    Forever, there is a link at the bottom of Our Daily Bread devotional on March 10. I don’t believe that Mart allows us to post links but it is at DiscoverySeries followed by a (dot) org. The document number is (backslash) Q0301.

    Pooh, you are so correct when you say that christians do not practice loving others. Too often we forget that love is an action. Churches used to establish hospitals,care for orphans, feed the hungry, etc. Now all of that has become government responsibility.

    Steve, again I salute you and the service that you render your community. Love in action. I used to dread the first few days of the time change but now that I am retired, it doesn’t have much of an affect on me. My dog enjoys it because now she gets to eat an hour earlier in her way of thinking.

  264. poohpity says:

    Bullwinkle, Actually there are several Christian organizations that put love into action like one known as Samaritans Purse or Operation Blessing which are world wide but just here in my community there are food banks, homeless shelters, domestic violence shelters, Victim advocates but on a personal level there are many individuals that reach out to help others and share the Gospel in deeds not just words alone. On the border it is Christians that went down there to help the Border Patrol to care for the humanitarian needs of those crossing illegally since that is not the job of BP to baby sit or to fed or to clothe. When there is a hurricane or tornado or flooding that Christian’s go marching in without publicity or acknowledgement from the media but they go none the less.

    Here in AZ we do not have Daylight Savings Time, the clocks stay the same year round. Many countries have DST and have since the late 1800s the USA however could not make up their minds to keep it in place, it seems to be up to the states in the end.

  265. poohpity says:

    For me the most important question is whether I am doing my part in showing love in action and leave everyone else in God’s hand since they are His children.

    Eph 2: 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

  266. Beloved says:

    lol I knew nothing about the time change until I picked up my phone. Now to reset my clocks….

  267. Beloved says:

    Oh this lifted my heart today!

    17 If the Lord had not been my help,
    My soul would soon have dwelt in the land of silence.
    18 If I should say, “My foot has slipped,”
    Your faithfulness, Lord, will support me.
    19 When my anxious thoughts [m]multiply within me,
    Your comfort delights my soul.
    20 Can a [n]throne of destruction be allied with You,
    One which devises [o]mischief by decree?
    21 They band themselves together against the [p]life of the righteous
    And condemn [q]the innocent to death.
    22 But the Lord has been my refuge,
    And my God the rock of my refuge.
    23 He has brought back their injustice upon them,
    And He will [r]destroy them in their evil;
    The Lord our God will [s]destroy them.

  268. Beloved says:

    Happy Mother’s day Viv!

  269. street says:

    OK friends please allow me a moment to vent…

    thinking of someone who has to deal with 8 to 12 hours of jet lag.

    thinking of China where all the clocks say the same time no matter what time zone they are in.

    i wonder how man would deal with the international date line if clocks where all set to the same time? just thinking and giggling.

  270. street says:

    it would seem we are easily distracted…. yet His wonders and love remain. i am so glad He changes not.

  271. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Beloved, I have been bad this weekend when it comes to treats but saying as I’m allowed at least I won’t feel so guilty, though food is more comfort to me than guilt trips.

  272. Beloved says:

    Oh I understand Viv. I’m feeling horribly guilty because I snacked all day long yesterday then finally ate a decent meal right before I went to bed to make peace with myself. Crazy is as crazy does they say. It’s a miracle I’ve made it through the winter. An absolute miracle and I have no one or nothing to thank but God. Even my dr gasped when I told her what I’d been through the last few months. But it doesn’t change the 5 lbs I’ve gained (not sure in stones). Ugh. You deserve to be blessed for your parentage after all you have been through. I salute you my dear.

  273. Beloved says:

    ◄ Psalm 94:17
    If the LORD had not been my help, my soul would soon have lived in the land of silence.

  274. street says:

    thinking of the timeless and mind bending grace and mercy of God upon the vessels of His love.

    been thinking about Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. seems His love is the basis of His will in heaven.

  275. Beloved says:

    He delights in His people!

  276. Beloved says:

    Why Do Bad Things Happen? Listening to this sermon by Charles Spurgeon on YouTube. It is wonderful!

  277. street says:

    God sent snakes into the camp to turn the people back to Himself. consider how far you can go with out God?

  278. bratimus says:

    The time changed that is why I’m off schedule all day.

    In changing the time it is a real sad attempt by man to move the sun.

    I wish they would leave it alone.


  279. bratimus says:

    I do have a question for bullwinkle11,

    so how far did you get in your trip to Mexico when you were 7 or 8. did you make it to the pond?


  280. jeff1 says:

    Why Do Bad Things Happen?

    As the snow flies
    On a cold and gray Chicago mornin’
    A poor little baby child is born
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    And his mama cries
    ‘Cause if there’s one thing that she don’t need
    It is another hungry mouth to feed
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    People, don’t you understand
    The child needs a helping hand
    Or he’ll grow to be an angry young man some day
    Take a look at you and me
    Are we too blind to see?
    Do we simply turn our heads
    And look the other way

    Well, the world turns
    And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
    Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    And his hunger burns
    So he starts to roam the streets at night
    And he learns how to steal
    And he learns how to fight
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    Then one night in desperation
    The young man breaks away
    He buys a gun, steals a car
    Tries to run, but he don’t get far
    And his mama cries

    As a crowd gathers ’round an angry young man
    Face down on the street with a gun in his hand
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    And as her young man dies
    (In the ghetto)
    On a cold and gray Chicago mornin’
    Another little baby child is born
    In the ghetto
    (In the ghetto)

    And his mama cries
    (In the ghetto)
    (In the ghetto)

  281. bubbles says:

    this time change. . . take away TWO hours. I love later days.Dark at 4:00 pm in December is very depressing. Actually, I only changed one clock back an hour when we went to Standard Time in the fall. I guess my body has been on daylight savings time since then. I have been going to bed very early. One evening it was cold and dark, and I went to bed at 6:30. Sleep has become like war, so I am up at all hours. I can lay down for 12 and wake up and still be worn out.

  282. Beloved says:

    Why Do Bad Things Happen?

    Depends on your worldview. As a Christian we know that in all things God works for good to those who are called according to His purposes. For non Christians the answers are many and depressing. Without love, joy or hope for a better future in the Kingdom of God.

    The video was very good.

  283. Beloved says:

    Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for thou art with me. Restoring to me the joy of my salvation!

  284. jeff1 says:

    Hear a child demand his freedom,
    Grasping for life,
    Careless with his greatest treasure:
    All his Father’s love.

    Through the years of waste and wandering
    So far from home,
    Still a waiting heart is watching
    With a Father’s love.

    How the Father runs to meet him!
    See their embrace!
    Sin is turned to joy and promise
    By a Father’s love.

    Still a waiting heart is calling
    All far from home.
    Come and know this sweet forgiveness.
    Find your Father’s love.

  285. foreverblessed says:

    Why do bad things happen.
    Thanks for the explanation.
    We as christians do know that God uses everything to draw men back to Him.
    He died not want to destroy mankind, but He wants to save them.

    Many people who are not religious, talk about this virus:
    That it is “Nature” is telling us to sit down and think: how do we treat the earth?
    We should change our ways.

    Now that there is less industrial activity, less airplanes flying, the air is much cleaner.

    And I do believe that God uses these disasters in the same way!

    Read this in Habakuk 3:3-6

  286. foreverblessed says:

    God came from Teman,
    the Holy One from Mount Paran.[a]
    His glory covered the heavens
    and his praise filled the earth.
    His splendor was like the sunrise;
    rays flashed from his hand,
    where his power was hidden.
    Plague went before him;
    pestilence followed his steps.
    He stood, and shook the earth;
    he looked, and made the nations tremble.
    The ancient mountains crumbled
    and the age-old hills collapsed—
    His ways are eternal.

  287. bullwinkle11 says:

    Brat, the world was a different place nearly 60 years ago. We used to ride our bikes to that pond and fish quite often. We did make the pond on our trip to Mexico, but when it was getting near evening, we started to get a bit worried and went back home.
    Blessings to all,

  288. SFDBWV says:

    March 15, 2021
    God’s Tear Bottle
    “Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?” (Psalm 56:8)

    This is a remarkable insight into the tender heart of our heavenly Father. He has a tear bottle—in fact, perhaps a tear bottle for each of His wandering children.

    Ancient “tear bottles” (or wineskins) have actually been excavated by archaeologists in Israel. These vessels were used to catch and preserve the owner’s tears during times of grief or extreme pressure. This psalm was actually written by David when he was being pursued by Saul on one side and surrounded by Philistines in the city of Goliath on the other. David apparently not only had his own tear bottle but also believed that God somehow was also storing up David’s personal tears in His own heavenly bottle of tears.

    There is a touching story in the earthly ministry of Jesus that provides another example: “Behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears,…and anointed them with the ointment” (Luke 7:37-38).

    The ointment was obviously not the same as the tears but followed the washing by tears. Some scholars think these tears came from her bottle, which was emptied on His feet and used to wash them. Others think that those tear bottles that have been found actually contained the collected tears of mourners at a burial site.

    In any case, God does know all our wanderings and sorrows and all our tears, and stores them up somewhere. Perhaps it is also a metaphor for His “book of remembrance,” which is being “written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name” (Malachi 3:16). HMM

    From Days of Praise


  289. poohpity says:

    Steve, that “Days of Praise” devotion sure did remind me of the last two weeks on “Discover the Word” which was about reading scripture through western eyes. Whoever wrote that sure did have a vivid imagination about tears.

    In the culture of Jesus’ time when a guest entered someone’s home the host would anoint the visitors head with oil, kiss their cheek and then wash the dust off their feet none of that was done when Jesus entered that home. It seems the tears of that woman were because of remorse of the sins in her life.

    Luke 37: Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

    I sure have shed many tears of remorse for the things that I have done that the Lord forgave me for and I know He has seen everyone of them.

  290. poohpity says:

    I think if I ever get confused about the mission that God gave us through the Holy Spirit I read what Peter wrote and I am still blessed by it every time I read it.

    1 Peter 2: You are coming to Christ, who is the living cornerstone of God’s temple. He was rejected by people, but he was chosen by God for great honor.

    5 And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. What’s more, you are his holy priests. Through the mediation of Jesus Christ, you offer spiritual sacrifices that please God. 6 As the Scriptures say,

    “I am placing a cornerstone in Jerusalem,
    chosen for great honor,
    and anyone who trusts in him
    will never be disgraced.”

    7 Yes, you who trust him recognize the honor God has given him. But for those who reject him,

    “The stone that the builders rejected
    has now become the cornerstone.”

    8 And,

    “He is the stone that makes people stumble,
    the rock that makes them fall.”

    They stumble because they do not obey God’s word, and so they meet the fate that was planned for them.

    9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

    “Once you had no identity as a people;
    now you are God’s people.
    Once you received no mercy;
    now you have received God’s mercy.”

  291. Beloved says:

    Forever I think the reason I like the sound of a good storm is because it reminds me of Gods power to destroy evil and bring justice. I sleep like a baby when it storms. Street mentioned snakes in Egypt. Indeed. How many reminders does it take to seek mercy? Oh joy!!!

  292. Beloved says:

    Draw me nearer, nearer precious LORD to the cross where Jesus died.

    Draw me me nearer, nearer nearer precious LORD, to thy precious bleeding side.

  293. jeff1 says:

    All praise to You, Eternal Lord,
    Clothed in a robe of flesh and blood.
    You chose a manger for Your throne
    Though endless worlds are Yours alone.

    Once all the skies before You bowed.
    A virgin’s arms contain You now.
    Your mighty Word brought earth to life.
    Now shepherds kneel to hear You cry.

    You came alone in darkest night
    To make us children of the light.
    In You we rise, a holy race,
    That all may know Your boundless grace.

    Lord Jesus Christ, long promised One,
    For all You are and all You’ve done,
    Let thankful hearts fill all our days
    With songs of love and ceaseless praise.

  294. Beloved says:

    Colossians 1: 21Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds.

    22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—

    23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creaturee under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

  295. street says:

    6 And He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.

    we understand from Jesus that these three individuals are alive to the Living God.

    been thinking is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob my God?

    5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

    [a]The Lord’s acts of mercy indeed do not end,
    For His compassions do not fail.
    They are new every morning;
    Great is Your faithfulness.
    “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul,
    “Therefore I [b]wait for Him.”

  296. jeff1 says:

    The truth of God is greater far
    Than our poor human mind,
    Than any doctrine, creed, or sect,
    All partial and confined.
    His treasures hold uncounted wealth
    That hearts have never heard.
    Our boundless God has yet more light
    To shine out from His Word.

    Who dares to limit God Himself
    To what we understand,
    To shrink His sprawling mystery
    And hold it in our hand?
    Immensity of purest love!
    An ocean unexplored!
    Our boundless God has yet more light
    To shine out from His Word.

    O Lord, Your Word is Jesus Christ,
    Your truth in us begun,
    But O the depths of all He is
    And all that He has done!
    Let faith and love each day increase
    The hunger You have stirred:
    May more and more of Christ our Light
    Shine brightly from Your Word!

  297. street says:

    been thinking

    Divine Parallels

    16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

    2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

    seems like a new work project was undertaken.

    John 19:30
    When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

    seems like a new work project was undertaken.

    “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
    And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

  298. Beloved says:

    The (Nicean) creed confessed “the one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten from the Father, only-begotten, that is, from the substance of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one substance with the Father.”

    I’ve been listening to some conversations between theologians about a heresy that has crept into the church lately regarding the doctrine of the trinity, about Jesus and how He came about. (Sorry that’s my simpleminded take). But it makes me wonder why so many- including myself- have struggled with seeing Jesus as the good guy and God the Father as the bad guy of the trinity. It seems to me that if we really understood the trinity and how the functioning parts represent the One for the good of mankind as Mart points out we would do well. For us and outsiders. Maybe this is another subject for another day but, well, I’ve been thinking again, as usual.

  299. foreverblessed says:

    Well, the subject of Mart is the connection between the Father, Don and Holy Spirit.

    So it is very well to discuss it here:
    The Oneness of them.
    So if Jesus is the Merciful One, so is the Father.

    I was stricken by the similarities of the Trinity, three in one, and the proton and neutrons, (the elementary material)
    They consist of three quarks.

    I have been viewing videos of animation of them.
    When I was in high school, the quarks were just found, in 1974.
    So it was not in the curriculum.

    The three quarks are so strongly intertwined, it is unbelievable. No power can take them apart. Energy flows from the one to the two others and vice versa. The particles have done freeway within limits, but as soon as the move too far out, a very very strong force holds them.

    Jesus said: without the Father I can do nothing.
    And He really meant it:
    So strongly tied to the Father!
    He would be disconnected if He would, but the Divine Jesus, COULD not go beyond the Father.

    We as humans have to come into the unity of the Three in One, and we, as humans have to lay off: our self-will, our reliance on ourselves, (like Jacob had learned that) and give up, surrender, and be part of that strong force of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

  300. foreverblessed says:

    Father, Son and Holy Spirit

  301. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, allow me to ask a question ❓
    You have said you go to bed at 9, and wake up at 3 in the morning.
    I have been doing some calculations, and I came up with 6 hours of sleep.
    Knowing also you are beyond the 70, maybe 6 hours is not enough.

    And then when the clock is set an hour ahead, that is a huge step, in a situation that was too tight anyway.
    Thanks for letting me vent.

  302. foreverblessed says:

    I have great difficulties too with the change of the clock, only in spring, when we miss ons hour of sleep, nog in the call, when we get back that hour of sleep.

    I was thinking about that, as I have traveled to England quite a lot, there is one hour difference. When traveling I have no problem with that one hour difference, so why would I have difficulty when I am not traveling, and one hour less in a night?
    Our clock will be changed in two weeks time, so I can adjust slowly by going to bed a quarter of an hour earlier already the next few days, (and wake up earlier too)
    And every three days add a quarter of an hour.

  303. foreverblessed says:

    Only in spring, not in the fall, then we have an extra hour in the night. A very special gift.

    Col 1:22
    22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—

    That was a topic a few months ago, the mystery of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, and I am still digesting it.
    This verse stood out….
    Wow, what is it saying?
    God has solved our problem, not only the forgiveness of sins, the Blood, but transforming us, through the Body of Christ.

    And how….
    Just believing it, and the Holy Spirit will guide us along the way.
    And some people get a vision of the Body and Blood, as did Aquinas.

  304. jeff1 says:

    Somebody Bigger Than You and I

    Who made the mountains? Who made the trees?
    Who made the rivers flow to the sea?
    And who sends the rain when the earth is dry?
    Somebody bigger than you and I

    Who made the flowers to bloom in the Spring?
    Who made the song for the robins to sing?
    And who hung the moon and the stars in the sky?
    Somebody bigger than you and I

    He lights the way when the road is long
    He keeps you company
    And with His love to guide you
    He walks beside you
    Just like He walks with me

    When I am weary, filled with despair
    Who gives me courage to go on from there?
    And who gives me faith that will never die
    Somebody bigger than you and I

  305. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, because you ask I will explain.

    Matt and I go to bed at 9pm. I get him rolled whichever way he wants to start out. He can’t roll over himself, I have to help him.

    His game he plays goes like this on even dated days he starts out to his left, on odd dated days his right.

    Today is the 16th so tonight he will start out rolled to his left.

    On odd dated days like last night, the 15th, he began rolled to his right. He then wants me to roll him back to his left between 11pm and 12am.

    So I have to make sure I am awake to do that in that hour.

    On even dated days it doesn’t matter and I usually roll him over somewhere between 11pm and 2am.

    I sleep on a couch next to his bed.

    I get up for good somewhere between 2:30am and 3am and even though he is usually awake by 3:40am he wants me to get him up at 4:20 to his breakfast.

    This is how it has been now for most of 21 years.

    Once his breakfast is over and he settled back in his big chair he naps and if I get a chance to so, so do I. His activity day begins then at 8am.

    I will be 74 this year and all the books tell us that the little broken sleep I get isn’t enough, but it is what it is and I can’t change things so I am grateful for what rest I do get and thank God for everything every morning and often throughout the day.

    I have already fed the critters and had my “official” morning prayers outside in the dark wet morning air this morning. Having sent in my weather report I seen where you posted and so wanted to take the time to answer your question and say hello.

    33 degrees f and wet, we had some light drizzle overnight.

    Thanks for the concern.

  306. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve, thanks for explaining!

    I have a sister-in-law who helps elderly people with sleep problems.
    She said that knowledge about good sleep has changed, and that they now advice that it is OK to split the night in two:
    Two sessions of 4 hours sleep with deep REM stages.

    So she advices people to have one in the beginning of the night, and if they wake up, have another one of enough hours again, and that will make up.
    It is a matter of having reached the REM stages enough times.
    But since you have these tasks much sooner than 4 hours, if has been tight all along. You must have had help from above all that time. Otherwise how can you still function right now?

    Anyway, I pray for you, to strengthen you…
    May God help you, and Matt.
    By the way, what is the name again of your town?
    I forgot.

  307. jeff1 says:

    Forever, my friend and I often recall what it was like being mothers through the troubles as her husband was a member of the Security Forces and due to defence/operational commitments was of little support to her and she worked and raised 4 children while I worked for the Security Forces and had a bad marriage and two children to bring up and my husband led a bachelor life.

    God provides as I discovered but how easy it is to forget His provision when I take my eyes of Him.

    My dad was very insistent on our need to focus on Christ and not life itself and now I know why as how easy it is to get distracted and forget that God is our everything.

    He Is My Everything

    He is my reason for living
    Oh, he’s the king of all kings
    I long to be his possession
    Oh, he’s my everything

    I remember my days of darkness
    Without sunshine or sight to lead my way
    But a whisper of his voice softly calling
    To the arms of my maker to stay

    He is my reason for living
    Oh, he is the king of all kings
    I long to be his possession
    Oh, he’s my everything

    After the lighting and thunder
    After the last bell has rung
    I want to bow down before him
    And hear him say well done (well done)

    He is my reason for living
    Oh, he is the king of all kings
    I long to be his possession
    Oh, he’s my everything

    I long to be his possession
    Oh, he’s my everything.

  308. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, I smile as I write as I have had divine help all my life and it shows now more than ever.

    I am at the computer compiling my meeting agenda for this evenings Council meeting and had reason to restart my computer and so seen your reply.

    Our little town is named Bayard. Bayard West Virginia.

    It is named after a railroad tycoon who was a part of building the railroad from Cumberland Maryland to Elkins West Virginia just after the American Civil War and West Virginia being a new and separate state from Virginia.

    The Bayard family came from an area in Normandy France and were forced to leave France because they were Protestants during the intolerant rule of a French King.

    Thomas Francis Bayard lived in Delaware and as a railroad tycoon there are 3 other towns named for him across America. Bayard, Iowa, Nebraska and New Mexico as well as of course here in West Virginia.

    I met a member of his family a few years ago and we become friends and still communicate with each other.

    Hope that answered your question.


  309. Beloved says:

    Forever what strikes me about the verse is that Jesus “presents” us to God the Father. Col 1:22
    22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—
    Reconciled to the Father, presented holy, unblemished and blameless in His presence. I needed this reminder as one who spends too much time dwelling on my sins and downfalls. I decided yesterday to enjoy all the goodness around me more, as they are a gift from God the Father. When I catch myself ruminating on the bad stuff I deliberately bring my focus to thanks for all the goodness in my life. Interestingly i feel guilty at first. A product of my wounded self, but above all things I must fix my mind on Jesus.

    Steve you also are marveling at how God has given you strength for living. God overrules even in what is scientifically decided as best for us. I remember that even our understanding of science is broken at best because even the smartest of minds are broken. God is the great scientist! He always gets the first and the last word! May God increase your strength for the needs of the day and bless the work of your hands. In Jesus’ Name, amen.

  310. foreverblessed says:

    Totally out of topic.
    So you can skip it.

    Thank you Steve,
    I looked up the Bayards, and found this in wikipedia:

    Bayard’s paternal line were French Huguenots who escaped France through the Netherlands.
    His 2x great-grandfather, Samuel Bayard (d. ca. 1647), the son of the Rev. Balthazar Bayard, married Ann Stuyvesant, the daughter of the Rev. Balthazar Stuyvesant, in the Netherlands in 1638. After Samuel Bayard’s death, she brought their four children, of which Petrus Bayard (d. 1690), John Bayard’s great-grandfather, was the eldest, to New Netherland with her brother Peter Stuyvesant in 1647.

    So a grandmaternal of that Bayards, James A Bayards was a sister of Peter Stuyvesant. And she came to America with her children. Af that time New York was still a colony of the Netherlands.

    A Dutch Reverend Stuyvesant, the father of Ann and also of Peter lived in the Netherlands, to which the Huegenot Reverend Bayards fled, due to the persecution. The daughter of the Dutch Reverend married the son of the French Reverend, Bayards.

    The Huegenots were protestants allied with Calvin. Mainly originating from the South of France.
    As from the thirteenth century the christians in the south of France had trouble with the pope. Think of the time of the two popes, the one in Avignon and the one in Rome.
    But the french kings have been very thorough to get rid of protestants out of France.
    O dear.
    But what struck me us this: the Huegenots grabbed the weapons to defend themselves.

    When do we learn to really take the teaching of Jesus literally?
    That we are part of a heavenly kingdom. And that angels stand around us,
    that God has assigned a number of martyrs…
    So if these angels do not protect our physical bodies, and we are killed, that we have been counted worthy by God.

    Rev 6:9-11
    Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been, was completed.

    So besides the number of the gentiles Rom 11:25
    There is a number of martyrs.

    It is not a matter of: how long
    But: how much

    If we grab the weapons to defend ourselves as Christians, we know that we delay Christ’s coming.
    As some other christians in the future have to make up the number.

    I never thought of that.
    We may argue with God: Why can’t You change that number, and make it a little less.

    And now do I get this comment to fit in the topic,
    The Oneness of the Trinity.

    I can only find this: as Jesus was willing to give up His Life, so should we.
    And so I put on the top: off-topic.

    May we look up to Jesus, from Him flows our Life, eternal Life.

  311. poohpity says:

    The way I understand the relationship between the three persons of the Godhead is written and explained in scripture and with the help of the Holy Spirit we see a glimpse of all that that means and how they function as One. Jesus spent a lot of time trying to get His disciples to understand who He is and it seems that even the demons understood His identity before the disciples did.

    I used to use the example of the egg. The egg has three parts each with it’s own function but it is one egg. Although it does not due justice to the Trinity it can help a little in understanding. The egg shell, egg white and the egg yolk all the parts together make up the egg.

    All I know and believe in faith that the Spirit of God came upon a woman which gave birth to the Son who died for the sins of the world past, present and future by crucifixion then on the third day rose from the grave with a resurrected body to sit at the right hand of God the Father who then sent His Spirit to live in those who are called into that relationship with the same purpose and unity as they have. Through the transforming power of that relationship over the process of time we become more Christ-like. Nothing I can do to earn that relationship it was God who offered us His forgiveness, mercy and grace but what I can do is accept it and believe in faith.

    I do not have to understand it but I have to believe in faith to be saved.

  312. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Beloved that struck me too, when you posted that verse yesterday.

    He entered heaven, now to appear before us in God’s presence.
    Hebrews 9:24

    It is not about what we have done or not done, but about Christ!
    We knew that all along, didn’t we.
    But it is so hard to grasp.
    God looks to Jesus, and we are in Him.
    Why, because God says so, that anyone who believes in His Son, is one with Him.

    Jesus is lovely, and peaceful, and patient, and long-suffering. Remaining silent when insulted. And we are in Him.
    Not taking up arms to defend ourselves.
    But giving ourselves up in Him.

    Unless we do not agree with God, and take matters in our own hands.
    “If you will follow Me”
    Says Jesus, He gives us a choice.

  313. poohpity says:

    One of the reasons our country was started was due to religious persecution in European countries and the desire to have the bible to read for themselves since that was not allowed in the countries they came from only the Priests and higher up like the monarchies were allowed to have one.

    That seems to be how the King James Version came about in 1611. The Queen asked the church leaders to translate the bible from Latin into English so that Prince James could rule his country by it. So it was translated from the original languages into Latin then into English but not for the common man only for the elite.

    It seems if not for the revolutionaries like Martin Luther we may never have had the bible to read.

  314. poohpity says:

    It is amazing to me that since the world was created all the has happened in the history of the world has had to do with God through the ages.

  315. jeff1 says:

    1 Blessed be the Lord the God of Israel,
    who has come to his people and set them free.

    2 The Lord has raised up for us a mighty saviour,
    born of the house of the house of his servant David.

    3 Through the holy prophets God promised of old
    to save us from our enemies,
    from the hands of those who hate us.

    4 to show mercy to our forebears,
    and to remember his holy covenant.

    5 This was the oath God swore to our father Abraham:
    to set us free from the hand of our enemies.

    6 Free to worship him without fear,
    holy and righteous before him all the days of our life.

    7 And you, child, shall be called the prophet of the Most High,
    for you will go before the Lord to prepare his way,

    8 To give his people knowledge of salvation
    by the forgiveness of all their sins.

    9 In the tender compassion of our God
    the dawn from on high shall break upon us.

    10 To shine on those who dwell in darknesS
    and the shadow of death,
    and to guide our feet into the way of peace.
    Glory to the Father, and to the Son,
    and to the Holy Spirit;
    as it was in the beginning, is now, and shall be forever. Amen.

  316. phpatato says:

    Forever and Steve

    I have Huguenot ancestors. Jean Baptiste de Rosier and his wife Susanne Le Masson apparently fled the Limousin area of France to Spitalfields, London in late 1690s to early 1700s.
    I have found they christened a son in 1703 in Spitalfields.
    Probably a disappointment to my ancestors – assuming they themselves were – I don’t adhere to the Calvinism way of thought.

    I am, it seems, a great definition of Heinz 57…I have English, Dutch, Scottish, Irish and as noted above French ancestors. NO wonder there are days where I don’t seem to know whether I’m coming or going. :-)

  317. Beloved says:

    Steve thanks for talking about the tears of God. Not to make Him more humanly understood but as Jesus was human. And God. He wept as we all do from time to time. We can’t even imagine the full majesty of God. Very very exciting to wait for; like Christmas morning but that’s all I can imagine as most can. Do we think about death, as we plow through our 70’s, or do we think about the expectation of meeting the creator of heaven and earth? I need to keep focus on God now more than ever.

  318. SFDBWV says:

    Ok; story time…

    About two years into Matthew’s disabling accident and my wife’s death one afternoon there was a knock at my back kitchen door.

    When I answered the knock at the door it was a man named Bayard Harris from Roanoke, VA. He explained that as he drove along and discovered a town named Bayard he was very curious as to how the town had gotten its name. Bayard being his mother’s maiden name and so his first.

    I invited him in and explained the story of the railroad naming several towns along the North Branch of the Potomac after the men associated with the railroad.

    He explained that he knew of all the other towns across America named after his family name but did not know of this one. He just “happened” upon it by driving through.

    I introduced him to Matthew and we talked a little about the things Matt suffers and the life we now live.

    It was he who explained that the Bayard’s were French Huguenot’s and of their story.

    He was just simply awe struck having “chanced” upon coming to this town and having met us and said that he was on a journey to drive to every town named Bayard as he had life issues to sort out and he and his dog was traveling together, but promised to return.

    Having said over and over again that this encounter was no accident, but something spiritual that was meant to be.

    Sometime after he returned to his home in Roanoke he emailed me and ask if he could send Matthew a letter and promised that he and his wife would come soon and spends a Sunday afternoon with us if that was ok. I said both were fine.

    When Matt’s letter came I read it and gave it to Matt to read.

    Bayard’s letter explained why he was on a trip across America using the time to sort things out and why discovering us was so important to him.

    His only son, only 17 years old had also wrecked his car and had a head injury that Bayard felt affected his thinking. As just after wrecking his car and returning home he secluded himself in their garage and killed himself.

    Bayard went on to say if his son was of himself he would never have put his mother and him through such pain and anguish and wanted Matt to know how important it was for him to be alive and there with his dad.

    Bayard and his wife did come for a visit and spent a delightful Sunday afternoon with us and to this day we remain friends.

    His meeting with Matthew he considered to be a doorway to the beginning to heal from his own sons death and an event orchestrated by God for him and his wife to come to terms with their grief. Not a chance meeting, but rather one put together by the Holy Spirit for their healing.

    I hope you all enjoyed the story. As my story is a story of one encounter with God after another for now nearly 74 years.

    33 degrees f and very foggy.


  319. jeff1 says:

    Having read your story, Steve, I think this quote from C. S. Lewis is accurate in explaining.

    Though I have had glimpses of God in my own life it is often in the lives of others I have seen God more plainly.

    “In friendship…we think we have chosen our peers. In reality a few years’ difference in the dates of our births, a few more miles between certain houses, the choice of one university instead of another…the accident of a topic being raised or not raised at a first meeting–any of these chances might have kept us apart. But, for a Christian, there are, strictly speaking no chances. A secret master of ceremonies has been at work. Christ, who said to the disciples, “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,” can truly say to every group of Christian friends, “Ye have not chosen one another but I have chosen you for one another.” The friendship is not a reward for our discriminating and good taste in finding one another out. It is the instrument by which God reveals to each of us the beauties of others.”

  320. bullwinkle11 says:

    Happy St. Patrick’s Day.
    Amazing how man uses religion to divide when God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit use a relationship to unite. My ancestors on my mother’s side were driven from Ireland for being Catholic, hence my Grandmother was born in New Foundland. My mother always loved to celebrate St Patrick’s Day however she never had any malice against Protestants. My father was Methodist.
    FYI Steve: over 40 years ago, I lived near Bayard, NE but did not know where the name originated. Thanks for the history lesson.
    Unity in Christ,

  321. jeff1 says:

    As a child indoctrinated into the Protestant faith we never celebrated St Patrick’s day as it was very much a celebration for Roman Catholics here.

    We never questioned ‘why’ as Patrick was a name that would be given to you if you were Irish and I was born British so it seemed reasonable to expect that St Patrick was a catholic.

    My ignorance staggers me as how little I know about my own heritage other than what others have told me and since I am hearing different truths from different sources I get more confused by the minute.

    I was born British, then it was made plain to me that the British only tolerated us and so I should consider myself Northern Irish or better still I should consider my parents ancestry which I discovered on my dad’s side was Ulster Scots but due to my mothers illegitimacy had no joy on that search.

    It seems that I am triple blessed that God claims me as His own today because it’s good to feel loved and wanted rather than just tolerated.

  322. jeff1 says:

    I was sinking deep in sin,
    Far from the peaceful shore,
    Very deeply stained within,
    Sinking to rise no more,
    But the Master of the sea,
    Heard my despairing cry,
    From the waters lifted me,
    Now safe am I.

    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!

    All my heart to Him I give,
    Ever to Him I’ll cling
    In His blessèd presence live,
    Ever His praises sing,
    Love so mighty and so true,
    Merits my soul’s best songs,
    Faithful, loving service too, to Him belongs.

    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!

    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me!

  323. jeff1 says:

    “If you think of this world as a place simply intended for our happiness, you find it quite intolerable: think of it as a place for training and correction and it’s not so bad.”

    Has this world been so kind to you that you should leave with regret? There are better things ahead than any we leave behind.

    C. S. Lewis

  324. jeff1 says:

    “You Gave Me A Mountain”

    Born in the heat of the desert
    My mother died giving me life
    Deprived of the love of a father
    Blamed for the loss of his wife
    You know Lord I’ve been in a prison
    For something that I never done
    It’s been one hill after another
    I’ve climbed them all one by one

    But this time, Lord you gave me a mountain
    A mountain you know I may never climb
    It isn’t just a hill any longer
    You gave me a mountain this time

    My woman got tired of heartaches
    Tired of the grief and the strife
    So tired of working for nothing
    Just tired of being my wife
    She took my one ray of sunshine
    She took my pride and my joy
    She took my reason for living
    She took my small baby boy

    But this time, Lord you gave me a mountain
    A mountain you know I may never climb
    It isn’t just a hill any longer
    You gave me a mountain this time

  325. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for sharing your story, awesome. God is in control, He is do good to us.

    Thanks for sharing about the Huguenots, Phpatato.
    My dream is that christians unite, be One IN Christ.

    The Body and Blood vision, since the topic of Mart bin Aquinas, it has been with me.
    “It is all about Jesus”
    That’s what I said, 26 years ago, but what is it that makes Jesus so great, and “altogether lovely”

    I came across Watchmen Nee,the Normal Christian life.
    Two weeks ago.
    I have to put it in my own words:
    Besides the bible verses:

    `Of God are ye in Christ Jesus.’

    God has put us in Christ. Is was God’s work to put us in Him. In fact all of mankind, could all be in Him, if they all believed in Him.
    “When I am lifted up, I will draw all to Me”

    “Abide in Me, and I in you”

    Whatever we may feel, or whatever we have failed to do, stay in Jesus. Do not think that you are out of Him.
    Confess, and ask for His Spirit, lovd joy, peace.

    Look to Jesus, and see yourself in Him.

    It is in the end of chapter 4, his words are so good, but it is not allowed to copy them.
    I just wanted to encourage myself and all of you.

    Today is the election in my country, if you have a prayer, thanks.
    But in the mean time I am so thrilled, that Jesus did something so awesome. It is hard to see the depth and height and width of it.

  326. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks for all the songs Jeff!
    And Patrick! Great missionary. I loved to read about his story.

    Bru na Boine, we visited that site, I have written about it before. It was one of those huge impressions. I had read about Patrick, and I envisioned him having put on the Easter fires around the hills of Bru na Boine. Around that same area where a megalithic stone monuments is, the midwinter solar point. Very very heathen worship. And in that same area the protestantse fought against the catholics in the 17th century. One of my own country’s noblemen, William of Orange, (not the founding father, William, he lived a century earlier) leading the protestants.
    I pray the message of St. Patrick, the Gospel of Jesus Christ may still ring true:
    “It is call about Jesus”
    And His Cross,

  327. Beloved says:

    About keeping unity, (I can’t recall where I read the thought now), but these verses and encouragement from Jude came to mind and I think are great!

    20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
    22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear–hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
    24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy– 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

  328. Beloved says:

    Oh I see it was bullwinkle that mentioned unity earlier. Thanks!!

  329. jeff1 says:

    Almighty God, Father of all mercies, We thine unworthy servants Do give thee most humble and hearty thanks For all the goodness and loving kindness to us, and to all men. We bless thee for our creation, preservation and all the blessings of this life: But above all, for thine inestimable
    love in the redemption of the world by our Lord Jesus Christ; For the means of grace, and for the hope of glory.
    And we beseech thee, give us that due sense of all the mercies, That our hearts may be unfeignedly thankful, And that we show forth thy praise, Not only with our lips but in our lives; By giving up ourselves to thy service, And by walking before thee in holiness and righteousness all our days; Through Jesus Christ our Lord, To whom with thee and the Holy Spirit Be all honour and glory, World without end.

  330. foreverblessed says:

    The unity of the Father Soon and Holy Spirit,

    And through the veil, that is His Body, mankind is drawn in to that Union.
    Hebrews 10:19-20

    When Jesus presented Himself in heaven, to the Holy of Holies, it was not for Himself, but for us, humans.
    A Holy Union.
    And we are drawn into it

  331. foreverblessed says:

    About translating the bible in speaking language:

    Between 1170–80 Peter Waldo commissioned a cleric from Lyon to translate the New Testament into the vernacular “Romance” (Franco-Provençal).[10] He is credited with providing to Europe the first translation of the Bible in a ‘modern tongue’ outside of Latin.[11]

    From Wikipedia on Peter Waldo. I came across this man, when doing a search for the Huguenots. They can from the south of France, the same area where the Waldensians were a few centuries earlier.

    So before the year 1200 there was already a bible in a French language.
    The Reformation started with Martin Luther, we think, but independent of him it was already going on in the Swiss area, as influenced by the Waldensians.

    But the very very strict adherence to the Bible, ( with that I mean taken many things too literal, without seeing the great Spiritual life in Christ) if they would have overtaken christianity, without giving freedom of religion, I fear it would not be the ideal situation either.

    Unity in Christ, how far away it still is.
    I am not positive about Calvinism either, this religion has been the dominant one in our country, since the Reformation, and they suppressed other versions, even the Lutheran church was suppressed.

    I am convinced that Christ, in His Body, has taken all in Him, and He is waiting for each of them…..

  332. foreverblessed says:

    For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn…
    1 Cor 15:22-23

    I am not saying that people can be saved without Christ. I believe that only IN Christ we can be saved.
    That God is pursueing each, that if it were possible, that anyone says who earnestly calls on the Name of Jesus, will be saved, even if they have been in hell, ages and ages.
    (aionas ton aionas) being ages and ages in Greek, but it is translated in English as forever, but it does not mean: without end, but rather, a very very long time, billion and billion years, or something like that.

    I do not want to be argumentative, no not at all, but when I heard a calvinist preacher say that not a drop of blood of Jesus was spilled, that God knew beforehand who would be saved, my heart shrank. Oh no….dear Lord, open this man’s eyes to the Body of Christ, the Great great impact it has.

    The Body and Blood of Jesus.
    May this preacher have a vision like Aquinas had it, thank you dear Lord.

  333. Beloved says:

    22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

    Just thinking- how does one belong to Christ?

  334. Beloved says:

    Is this talking about His 2nd coming?

  335. Beloved says:

    Not arguing just wondering.

  336. poohpity says:

    Someone can be saved even if they are in hell? Where in the world did you hear that? They made the choice in life to believe and Jesus taught that NO ONE can come to heaven from hell.

    Jesus said, ““The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    The choice between heaven and hell seem to be determined in this life while in this flesh that seems to be the very reason that we were given the great commission. Those who make a choice to believe in this life will determine their eternal life. If someone makes the choice not to want God in their life now in the flesh it has eternal consequences.

    I literally believe what Jesus said to be true, is true or why else would He have taught it?

  337. foreverblessed says:

    Well…Jesus said there is a great schasm,
    That schasm can be taken literally…

    The rich man still was not humble, he wanted to use Lazarus as a servant. He himself felt as if he must be served. There was no change of mind in him, no repentance.
    In such an unrepentant state it is impossible to ctoos the schasm.

    Only the true humble people can cross that gap.

    And to me you sound as if you have figured it out very well. It doesn’t sound so humble to me.
    This time I really miss the: it seems to me…

  338. jeff1 says:

    I believe also that God wants to see repentance for without it then there is no change in a person from the inside out.

    Some of us (speaking of myself) can be stubborn and finding reasons not to repent but God gives time and I know that I put up all sorts of arguments to justify my own ends but today I see God has broken me for all the right reasons as to draw to Himself I must have give up the ghost so to speak.

  339. poohpity says:

    Forever, maybe you ought to reread my comment I see many times that “it seems” is used but of course you do not see it! I take all those areas in scripture literally just like the separation between heaven and hell that Jesus spoke of in Luke then it is mentioned again in 2 Thess 1:8-9 but there are places that are not meant literally like in future prophesies because things from the future may not be like anything they could identify in their time so that is logical. Just like you do not believe that creation was not done in 6 literal days as I do because that is what it says but you trust science which is wrong all the time rather than what God can do.

    It seem there are many who have not experienced God’s word in their lives often say things like;
    The Bible can not be taken literally.
    The Bible is full of contradictions and discrepancies.
    The Bible is full of violence, genocide, prejudice, and injustice, often commanded by God—and it’s been used by Christians to justify more violence and oppression.
    The Bible’s descriptions of nature and natural history are hopelessly at odds with science.
    The Bible was written by ancient and primitive people, and has no value to modern people anymore.
    Christians can’t even agree on what it’s saying, so who cares if it’s true or not.

    I trust God’s Word and the word because I have faith in God that for so long in my life I have searched for and found truth that it in the written word. I trust the teaching of the Holy Spirit who guides us into that truth that is how faith works, it seems to me and many others as well. The adversary would have us look at what is written to doubt and twist what is said to fit our human philosophies and thinking.

  340. Beloved says:

    It seems to me that the purpose of Been Thinking About is for people to share and discuss their understanding of faith and the Word of God in its many differing interpretations and understandings.

  341. street says:

    this is true beloved, 3/18/2021. yet think how far we fall short in
    loosing the chains of injustice
    and untie the cords of the yoke,
    to set the oppressed free
    and break every yoke?

    how long LORD ? till we are humbled and empty for the Glory of God.

  342. Beloved says:

    how long LORD?
    Due to a medication change I’ve suddenly gone from sleeping 10-12 hours (which I really liked) to 3, so I’m still up reading Richard Baxter book on pleasing man. Wow I’m being given new information and I have a long way to go. Seeing scriptures I’ve known for years suddenly become a challenge to me is humbling. God is good and faithful to transform us. And certainly patient. I’m full of a lot of…a, stuff.

  343. foreverblessed says:

    How long Lord, till we are emptied and all for the Glory of God.
    What were the scriptures he used?
    Two days ago on Utmost was the topic:

    We make it our aim…to be well pleasing to Him
    2 Cor 5:9

    Not making our first priority to win souls, or to establish churches, or to have revivals, (or to win the discussion on beenthinking) , but seeking :

    To be well pleasing to Him

    Am I measuring up to the standard God has for me?

  344. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, on March 18, 9.28 am, there is no “it seems” but a statement from you what these verses mean.
    No discussion possible.

    It is of no use.
    I back off, and ask God to bless you and to keep you.

    I just had read that I should seek to be well pleasing to God.
    I look up to Him.
    He knows all, He is the Creator, He made the book of Nature, and we read it, and He made the Bible, the written Word, and send Jesus, the Living Word, and all do agree!
    So I praise Him for that!

    And I am sure He is able to work out everything that He had planned long ago.
    And I pray we are humble enough to be used by Him, in a way He seems fit.

  345. foreverblessed says:

    What has God for me today?

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
    Verse of the day on Bible Gateway.
    Gal 5:22

    So I “exhale” my own thoughts and inclinations, my basic instinctive reactions, give them to Jesus
    and I “inhale” His goodness, His self-control and today above all forbearance!

    Being in the Unity if the Father Son and Spirit, being drawn into that circle, where the Power is very very very strongly tied to God and Jesus and the Spirit.

  346. poohpity says:

    forever, if I say “it seems” when quoting scripture that would mean I do not trust in it’s authenticity or authority but relying on my own understanding which I would rather believe literally what it says not how I interpret it. It was Jesus who said you can not get to heaven from hell or go to hell from heaven not what it seems to me. Since it is His words I trust what it says just like creation when it says it took 6 days I take that literally to be 6 days while you believe as you have said in the past it is not literally 6 days but some other measure of time.

    How can anyone ever believe enough to read the bible if they can not stand on it’s authority or authenticity if they take it on their own understanding to mean what it “seems to me” there would be no use in even reading it. That is probably the reason so many go to others to gain understanding rather than relying on the Holy Spirit as our teacher and guide and therefore do not ever read the bible for themselves because there is no dependence on the One who inspired it. They may say they depend on God but the proof is in the results of how they go about living their lives of faith.

  347. jeff1 says:

    Before speaking or acting I should not just look to God but listen and respond to Him.

    It isn’t enough to expect others to believe that I know God if I do not express the fruit of the Spirit in my life.

    If I say I am in a relationship with Christ then it is not unreasonable for another to want to see His Spirit within me, for if there is no change from within then others see a hypocrite as there is no reflection of Christ in my words or actions.

    Self examination is the only way to growth and that comes from focus on Christ and not on myself or others.

    I am either getting closer to God or I am going further away depending on my own responses to His Spirits calling.

    Meditation of My Heart: Psalm 19:14. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer. Lord, my strength and redeemer, let my words and actions praise you.

  348. poohpity says:

    Is it really any of our business to judge the relationship of others with Christ? It does seem however to be our business to examine our own relationship with Christ since it is only God who knows what is truly in the heart of those He calls His own. Of course if we are examining our own relationship with Christ then we will not have the time to look at whether others have one or not.

  349. jeff1 says:

    While it is not within any of our remit to judge another’s relationship with Christ I would think that it is beneficial to my growth to take into consideration the opinions of other believers as I can learn from their observations of me and whether I seem to be like a parrot who knows how to repeat itself rather than someone who is changing and reflecting Christ’s image rather than my own.

  350. Beloved says:

    how long LORD ? till we are humbled and empty for the Glory of God.

    When this earthen body is finally crushed by death. Just like Jesus’ body. In the meantime we suffer for good and for evil. We are inbetween 2 worlds. I feel the tension.

  351. Beloved says:

    Today’s relativism says don’t judge anything at all. A Christian worldview says different.

  352. foreverblessed says:

    Judge? Well, maybe our own hearts, and actions.
    I do not want to gainsay you, but I don’t understand your comment.
    What did Billy Graham say? God is the Judge, but He gave the judgment to Jesus, all for me left to do is to love.

    And I felt that this morning: it is more pleasing to God that I have patience, and long-suffering, than that I am right.

    Not that I have patience, but God gives it to me when I ask, and when I give my burden to Him.
    Exhaling- inhaling

    It is getting darker now, the dusk sets in. My husband fell asleep on the couch, and I didn’t put on the lights. The birds have been singing, and are quiet now.
    I pray that you may have a good evening and night!
    Abide in Christ
    Know that you are in Him, consider that a fact!
    May God help you go do so.

  353. foreverblessed says:

    May God help you to do so

  354. Beloved says:

    I Corinthians 5:12
    Amplified Bible
    For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)? Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]?

  355. Beloved says:

    As a former hospice worker myself I observed that sufferers don’t need a sermon but just to know they are being supported by prayers and a hug and even sitting with them in silence. We are all praying for Mart today as his wife is in hospice. While we can’t be with them we say that our thoughts and prayers are with them.

  356. jeff1 says:

    Forever, having lived in a divided community I see that both sides just want to be right and so instead of progressing we keep going over the same old ground without any progress being made.

    I am getting too old for the mud slinging and it seems to me that there are those who do not want to move on as they have become accustomed to fighting and get some kind of enjoyment out of it.

    I want to live in a peace loving environment but I have come to see that there is no such thing as peace in any part of the world and so I seek to know God’s patience and long suffering while in the flesh.

    I have come to realize that expectations of peace in a world like this is foolish and so I see C. S. Lewis’s point when he says do not look for happiness in this world but for learning and correction.

    Here religious leaders and politicians have fed ordinary people what suited their agendas and so many feel let down and saddened but my generation have wised up and no longer listen to their promises that amount to nothing.

    I have learned to put my trust in God as experiences of life have taught me that you cannot trust anyone else.

  357. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, that is a very good advice:
    my thoughts and prayers are with Mart, and his wife, and his family.
    Asking Jesus to show Himself close to them.
    And asking the Holy Spirit to comfort them.
    And blessing the Father for the Work He does through all of this.

  358. street says:

    C. S. Lewis’s point when he says do not look for happiness in this world but for learning and correction.

    Here religious leaders and politicians have fed ordinary people what suited their agendas and so many feel let down and saddened but my generation have wised up and no longer listen to their promises that amount to nothing.

    the scribes pharisees and herod come with leaven we are to watch out for. the governments, ordained by God in response to mans rebellion and rejection of God, are under the judgment and wrath of God. they will be gathered in the valley for judgment. the learning and correction are done in the Word of God and the Grace and Mercy of God. something of great value to be shared. oswald chambers spoke today about when we get to where we want to be. when God is our Greatest and only Joy. when that is done everything else can be brought to Him in prayer and direction. to have the same will and not even know a different will.

    tired of sin? Jesus is waiting.

  359. jeff1 says:

    Heavenly Father,
    in whom we live and move and have our being:
    We humbly pray that your Holy Spirit may so guide and govern us
    that in all the cares and occupations of our daily life,
    we may never forget your presence
    but may remember that we are always walking in your sight,
    through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

  360. poohpity says:

    I can not brag about my love for God because I fail Him everyday however I can brag about His love for me because it never fails.

  361. jeff1 says:

    He was born as little children are
    and lived as children do,
    So remember that the Saviour
    was once a child like you,
    And remember that He lived on earth
    in the midst of sinful men,
    And the problems of the present
    existed even then;
    He was ridiculed and laughed at
    in the same heart-breaking way
    That we who fight for justice
    are ridiculed today;
    He was tempted . . . He was hungry . . .
    He was lonely . . . He was sad . . .
    There’s no sorrowful experience
    that the Saviour has not had;
    And in the end He was betrayed
    and even crucified,
    For He was truly “One Of Us”-
    He lived on earth and died;
    So do not heed the sceptics
    who are often heard to say:
    “What Does God Up In Heaven
    Know Of Things We Face Today” . . .
    For, our Father up in heaven
    is very much aware
    Of our failures and shortcomings
    and the burdens that we bear;
    So whenever you are troubled
    put your problems in God’s Hand
    For He has faced all problems
    and He Will Understand.

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