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Beyond the Curtain

With the passing of someone we love, our minds go to questions of what lies beyond the curtain.

And as we honor and remember those who have preceded us in death, I’m guessing that many of us will also admit that we love God to the extent that we believe he loves us— and those who are no longer with us.

But what happens when someone we treasure passes before being caught up in the wonder of how much he loves them too?

This, I think, is another reason for recalling that, in the unfolding drama of Holy Week, we walk in the ways and needs of people who didn’t yet know or recognize the everlasting-beyond-the-grave-goodness of their God. It’s about people who unwittingly wanted to kill him to protect themselves… without understanding that he was letting them have their way with him— so he could show how much the Father loved them, and us.

Thankfully, we remember the Resurrected One—who was making atonement for them, even as he prayed, “Father forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.”


He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world (1John 2:1-2). whoops…. my typo had this 1:1-2

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584 Responses to “Beyond the Curtain”

  1. poohpity says:

    How does anyone know how much they are loved by God unless someone tells them? Sadly it seems many try to keep it a secret only meant for themselves or others who believe. Yet when we find a dessert or anything else we really love we share with everyone to try it because it is so wonderful. But when it comes to sharing about someone who can save our very souls, people remain quite, a deafening silence when it comes to being loved more than any human being can imagine or do. Ssshhhh! I would guess the reason why many do not share might be because they may not believe it themselves or they would be shouting it from the roof tops for more people to learn of the “Passion” that God showed for humanity.

  2. jeff1 says:

    Glory be to the Father,
    and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit;
    as it was in the beginning,
    is now and ever shall be, world with out end. Amen.

  3. poohpity says:

    There is a good series on Discover the Word this week about “Passion week” learning a lot thought you guys may enjoy it.

  4. jeff1 says:

    Behold what love, yes, love divine,
    The Father showed to thee,
    In that He gave His only Son,
    Thy soul from sin to free.

    Such love cannot be fathomed,
    ’Tis like the boundless sea;
    His broken heart so wounded,
    Is bleeding now for thee.

    He gave His life to make thee whole,
    He shed His blood for all,
    To heal the body, save the soul—
    Then come, for mercy call.

    Oh, depths of love to mortals lost,
    He suffered on the tree;
    Our only hope of heaven cost
    His blood—’twas all for thee.

    The love of Christ is warm and free,
    We live because He died;
    His drops of mercy fall on thee,
    And all the world beside.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Not surprising that certain words bring to mind many other thoughts. “Beyond the curtain” are such words for me.

    It would seem for almost all of my conscience life the wonder of what lies beyond the curtain has intrigued and interested me.

    As a result I have spent quite a lot of time and energy reading about it from the study, thoughts and even the experiences of others.

    Experiences of others you might ask? I speak of a full range of others life experiences including the phenomena of “near death” experiences.

    Once the Bible’s text on life after death is read and taken in; finding some resolution still leaves open the great mystery of what awaits us beyond that last heartbeat.

    Equally not surprising the subject has many different beliefs from Bible readers as well as “experts” on the subject.

    As to Mart’s thoughts concerning people who have not “publicly” or “privately” made the choice for Christ. Not one of us can answer that question with absolute certainty.

    There are many a deathbed conversions as while some still have their mind intact worry about eternal punishment and so solely because of that make the choice.

    I wonder how many can’t speak, yet in their last thoughts call out to God and so are saved as a result.

    Saved that is to our acceptance and understanding of it.

    Somewhere in this matter we have to leave it to God who has lived everyday with the person, knows every thought and action and motive and circumstance of their lives and so decides their eternal fate.

    Personally I believe it was for such people Jesus gave his earthly life for.

    Personally I believe that God wants that none should perish.

    On a personal note, have any of you felt at certain times that you could almost see beyond that curtain? I have. And I wonder if then my spirit can though I can’t and in some way my spirit fed with the bread of life that strengthens my soul and emboldens my faith.

    I have not been able to log on for several days, I hope that Word Press gets fixed soon.

    41 degrees under a dark sky.


  6. SFDBWV says:

    Most of you already know I like quotes, so here is one I stumbled upon this morning.

    “Our Lord has written the promise of resurrection, not by books alone, but in every leaf in springtime.”
    Martin Luther

    I hope you enjoyed this as did I.


  7. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, I enjoyed that!
    God is also speaking to us in nature.

    In this area where I live, people call the curly willow: Easter branches.
    The form of the branch is ver curly, and the new leaves are quite light green, and give such a fresh feeling of new life.
    The Easter thought: death and resurrection of Jesus.
    And anybody who believes in Him.

    We have a curly willow in our garden, and every spring it has to be trimmed. So I have to cut the branches. But I pray about it, and hand them out in the neighborhood. Today I went to the elderly home, with a bunch of branches.
    And had some talks about Jesus and the Good Friday and Easter.
    Ond lady, was always a believer, but now she has dementia, and has lost her way. I sang s few Passion songs, she enjoyed them, but stil she said, she needed someone now, to bring her home.
    So I prayed for her, and asked Jesus to take her home.
    And in faith I look to Jesus.

    Oh, how wonderful to have found our Savior, and have peace in pur heart, while it is still day. Before the dark days start.
    May God be merciful with them all.

    The topic though us, what about those who have not found assurance.

    Well, with great assurance, I can say: those who do not yet believe in Jesus, and they died, according to Jesus, they are gathered by angels and they divide them between the sheep and the goats. Matthew 25:31-46

    So if someone has lived a life of serving and helping others, then they belong to the sheep.
    I have no doubt that they still will have the opportunity to meet Jesus and accept Him as their Savior.
    But that is my own deep conviction.
    God is merciful, and He is always the same yesterday today and forever.

  8. jeff1 says:

    “Farther Along”

    Tempted and tried, we’re oft made to wonder
    Why it should be thus all day long
    While there are others living about us
    Never molested though in the wrong

    When death has come and taken our loved ones
    It leaves our home so lonely and drear
    Then do we wonder why others prosper
    Living so wicked year after year

    Farther along we’ll know all about it
    Farther along we’ll understand why
    Cheer up my brother, live in the sunshine
    We’ll understand it all, by and by

    Faithful ’til death, said our loving Master
    A few more days to labour and wait
    Toils of the road will then seem as nothing
    As we sweep through the beautiful gates

    Farther along we’ll know all about it
    Farther along we’ll understand why
    Cheer up my brother, live in the sunshine
    We’ll understand it all, by and by

  9. Beloved says:

    Personally for me the deepest pain is when a loved one (or anyone) dies unaware of how much they are loved by God and even deny Jesus boldly. I’d like to think that in the end- whenever that is- that all mankind will be saved because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice. I’d like to believe that, but scripture tells me differently, and that I love and trust as Truth. Many in scripture denied Him and still do. I personally think it’s Pollyanna thinking that everyone will be saved. But that “thinking” does not effect me or those who know the Truth. But it does hide the Truth from the elect. Yet God has His ways of reaching those destined for salvation despite the religious battlefield around us.

    I may be in the minority on here but that’s quite normal for me. Blessed Jesus Son of God Emmanuel.

  10. Beloved says:

    * lately the only way I can see my post is to log out and log back in again.

  11. Beloved says:

    Speaking of withholding the Truth;
    I watched a video of some Amish people who found Jesus by reading scripture- which was not allowed in their church. They had to hold secret Bible studies until they knew they had to leave.,The pastor that mentored them had just moved to the area and was really struggling with loss of family and friends but grew to really love them. Their joy is so evident as several give testimony to how Jesus changed their lives. It is a wonderful story of God finding those who would trust in Him for salvation despite the circumstances they were born into.
    Sorry for the sidebar. 😟

  12. poohpity says:

    There is but a narrow path to heaven and that is only through Jesus.

    If someone thinks they can serve enough or do enough good then when are those things enough to cover the sin of a person? We can not earn our way to heaven and every person no matter how much they serve or do good are still sinners. There is only One person who can cover those sins by His body and blood which is the very reason we have life “Beyond the Curtain” which is the only way into the Holy of Holies and at the death of Jesus that curtain was torn in half opening the way into heaven. John 3:16

  13. jeff1 says:

    Death had mocked our deepest longings,
    Death, the bitter end for all;
    Nothing lasting, nothing higher
    Till that Easter call:

    He is risen!
    Now the death that was our future
    Is our destiny no more!
    He is risen!
    Now we share the holy majesty
    Of Jesus Christ our Lord!

    Joy and beauty, love and giving,
    Life and light go on and on!
    All that bound our fearful hearts to
    Sin and death is gone!

    Celebrate our endless future!
    Celebrate our here and now!
    Celebrate our noble purpose –
    Love will show us how!

  14. street says:

    How does anyone know how much they are loved by God unless someone tells them?

    it would seem to me that God would tell them. sure a preacher or evangelist would speak, but the Holy Spirit is the One Who speaks into the darkness of a human soul. thinking of Pentecost. they were cut to the heart.

    thinking further of barren ground that is fruitful.

    learning to love as Christ did does not happen over night. thinking of the history of the people in the Bible God chose to accomplish His will.

    God insist on having mercy on all His children.

    last thought thinking of Ephesians 2 Made Alive in Christ.

  15. jeff1 says:

    Having grown up in a religious divide it was not uncommon for me to hear Catholic’s say you are not so bad for a Protestant and likewise to hear Protestants say those Catholic’s never leave mass they have so many sins to confess.

    Biases here show how religion works against God and so I would agree that it is the Holy Spirit who speaks into the darkness of those seeking God’s truths rather than their own.

    When I was young here I too bought into my religion and found myself judging Catholic’s as being worse than us Protestants.

    If I had not had a dad whose example was to tell me to focus on Christ and His suffering I may not be so enlightened now as to my own biases.

    I think of Jonah who knew His God to be merciful and it was his own biases that stopped him wanting God’s mercy for others.

    When I search my heart am I any different to Jonah is there a little part of me who thinks those Catholics don’t deserve God’s mercy but when I look into my heart now what do I see but prejudice from living in an environment that endorsed ‘us and them’ thinking.

    My mum would say the truth never lies and by that she would say whether it takes 5 or 50 years the truth will come to the surface.

    We cannot bury God’s truth nor should we want to because it is what frees us from prejudices and wrongdoing that saves our souls and the Gospel is about ‘saving souls’.

    C. S. Lewis is right in saying this life is about learning and correction but those who change God to their own image have no reason to believe they need either and having spent my youth doing it I know what I am talking about.

    During the height of the troubles I was angry at a young English soldier who hurting from the death of his colleges said to me ‘you are each as bad as each other’ and I just wish you would leave us English out of it.

    Today I fully understand and believe this young man was right in his evaluation of what was going on at that time.

    This verse comes to mind:

    Matthew 7:4-5 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

  16. SFDBWV says:

    It is written that God, that Christ existed from everlasting to everlasting. No beginning, no end.

    What about you and I?

    Physically we are descendants of Adam and Eve. Yet when were our souls created? In the womb? At the moment when the egg is fertilized? As a result of being physically born?

    Or are our souls a part of our creator that has always been with Him?

    We are given to understand that while we breathe air here on planet earth we have a consciousness, an awareness, we can think, feel and are alive.

    Yet we are also told that after death we still have consciousness, awareness, can think and feel even though we are dead to this world.

    “All who call upon the name of the Lord are saved.”

    Why is it *fixed* that we are only able to cry out to the Lord while still alive in this world?

    That from birth to death, some 70 years, is all the time we have to come to realize God?

    When our consciousness is eternal.

    I think there is a great deal more to God then we are given to know.

    Mart’s picture with this subject must be a shot from the making of the movie “The Passion of Christ” as I see Mel Gibson is standing next to “Jesus”.

    31 degrees with light snow this morning.


  17. foreverblessed says:

    I was going to post my comment, and then I see the thoughts of Steve.

    Yes yes, this bible verse:
    “Anyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved”

    To me is the truth.

  18. foreverblessed says:

    The Russians have a story,part of the Orthodox tradition, it is one of the Dostojevski’s books:
    There was a woman in hell, and there appeared an onion.
    This onion was one that she had given to a poor lady, while she was still alive on earth, So in her poor behavior on earth, yet she had done some good.
    She could take hold of the onion and be dragged out of hell. onlookers were watching if it was possible that the onion was strong enough to get her out of hell.
    Angels were answering:
    “Who knows?”

    She was lifted highher and higher, but then other people in hell took hold of her heels and wanted to be drawn out of hell with her.
    The woman kicked with her feet to get them off, as she shouted:
    “This onion was meant for me”

    And at that moment the onion snapped, and she fell back in hell.

  19. foreverblessed says:

    The me, I, and myself mentality
    That had not been changed.

    Anyway, this is what I had written this morning:

    Yesterday evening I was listening to the Mattheus Passion by Bach on Youtube, (Van Veldhoven, Dutch Bach Society, posted in 2019). And was reading the comment section of the video. This one struck me and brought me to tears, so I would like to share it with you:

    “This may sound of, but as someone born in a muslim environment (Turkey) I feel the need to point out to you how lucky you are to have grown up hearing this magnificent work (the Bach Mattheus Passion). And to have been raised from childhood in such an amazing culture.
    Even as a non believer I am moved to tears when I hear: “Erbarme dich,Mein Gott, um meiner Zahren willen”.
    All of this is truly amazing, and I am thankful as a human being that your culture exists, and I worry that it may be difficult to preserve and uphold as the world progresses wildly.
    Thank you that you exist.”

    End of qoute.
    But this person from a muslim country is thankful that the christian culture exist, who is moved to tears for the plea for mercy to our great God.
    The whole concert was put on Youtube, free to see. And many people are thankful for that, especially in covid times.

    We are thanked that we exist!.

    How lucky we are to have been raised in a christian society. The western world is still based on the christian morals. And we have many cultural masterpieces that tell the story of the Gospel.

    Like the Mattheus Passion from Bach, and the Messiah form Handel.

    And do not forget the many pieces of art, in the Vatican, the paintings on the ceiling from Michelangelo. “The Lamb of God” by van Eyck, an altar piece in the cathedral of Ghent in Belgium.

    “Erbarme dich mein Gott” is an aria for Peter after he had denied Jesus three times and the cock crows. It is a beautiful piece of Mucis.

    The voice of the Gospel can not be stopped, the gates of hell can not overtake it.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Some of us are not a very great shining example.
    Last Sunday, there were two churches in the Bible belt, who had services with hundreds of people attending.
    While the maximum is 30 persons. It is an exception to the lockdown, as nowhere people may gather. Only in religious settings.
    Our church had decided not to do it, and have digital services.

    But these churches in the bible belt had made a decision to gather with may more than the allowed 30 people.
    I thought: What a teriible example, this is.
    We live in a digital era, and we can gather together via the internet, and so obeying the command of God to not forsake that gathering.
    And if people have no internet, they can gather together by telephone.

    Journalists came to the site to interview, but they were attacked by church goers, the young male ones.
    One journalist ended in hospital.

    ANd I crie out to God: How long will it take till christians will be humble, and united in Christ, and follow His example,
    WHile He was accused He kept silent,
    1 Peter 2:22-24

    Jesus was unjustly assaulted, these people do not obey authorities.

    About gathering together:
    My mother had a “church service” with her pastor and his wife, and with another old lady, via the telephone. And my mother appreciated it very much. She has internet, but cannot have a Zoom meeting without help. So this is a way to go around the obstacles.

  21. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”. John 14:6

    John 10:9
    John 11:25
    Romans 5:2
    Eph 2:18
    Heb 10:20
    1 John 5:20

  22. Beloved says:

    27Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him. Hebrews

    Beyond the veil…. judgement- Christ- eternal Life – salvation- for those who have been “eagerly await (ing) Him”. Oh glory to be with Jesus and God the Father forevermore!! Because of Jesus atoning grace.

  23. poohpity says:

    If we are living “Beyond the Curtain” wouldn’t you want others to know so that they could join us being in the glorious presence of God? Don’t you want others to hear the Good News of God’s love, forgiveness, mercy and grace so they will be released from the consequences of sin and the chains that bind us, holding us down from experiencing a full life of joy, peace, love rather than hatred, resentment, anxiety and bitterness?

  24. Beloved says:

    I just learned this: Maundy Thursday (note the ‘n’) traditionally commemorates the institution of the Lord’s Supper or Eucharist while Good Friday commemorates Jesus’ sacrificial death.
    “Maundy” comes from the Latin word “mandatum”, or commandment, reflecting Jesus’ words “I give you a new commandment.”

  25. foreverblessed says:

    Maundy Thursday,
    No, I didn’t even know it was called that way.
    We call it: Witte Donderdag.
    White Thursday in our language.

    “Give you a new command:
    Love others as I have loved you”

  26. foreverblessed says:

    Today’s Utmost is very good!
    It is about intercession.
    We can it do that when we are in a state of worship to our God and Father, and Savior Jesus Christ.
    Before any word is spoken by our mouth there has to be a Work of the Spirit in the heart. And that is a work of love. We can minister others in love and patience and forbearing, having empathy, and so make their hearts soft.
    Prepare them to receive the seed of the Gospel.

    In the comment section many tell of missing that point, and rather be harsh, and judgmental.
    Being in a state of worship is a disciplinary thing. Slowly learned.
    If we are not in a state of worship: fixing our eyes on Jesus,
    When the burden of people and circumstances press on us:
    we produce hardness toward God, and despair in our souls.

    I am not aware of hardness towards God, but I am very well aware of the despair that rises in my soul. And I cry out to God.
    The other way around.
    I should put the horse before the carriage:
    Worshipping God, so the despair does not take over.
    And remain calm, and ask for total peace,
    And to be able to pray intercessory prayer.

  27. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 6:4–6 — The New International Version (NIV)

    4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

  28. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Beloved, I am very well aware of that bible passage.

    John 10:29
    My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

    So what was Jesus saying in John 10:29, it seems not to be true according to that horrifying Hebrews passage.

    To me this is a great: ⁉️

    And I ought to practice what I have preached this morning:
    To remain in a state of worshipping God, or otherwise I am overwhelmed by this bad news.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    However, this does say nothing about those who have passed away, without knowing Christ.
    For them there is still hope.

  30. Beloved says:

    The Bible never contradicts itself. If it seems to it leads to all kinds of heresy. We should be in terror of a Holy God because He holds the power of life and death. But Jesus made a way to be at peace with God and only through Him is our salvation from today’s events and whatever tomorrow brings. As for those who have never heard? God gave them over to their lusts and sinful desires. That’s all we can know because scripture never addresses this. I would be fearful as the clear warning is to not add to the scriptures. If a god “tells” us something different or even and angel we are not to listen. Myself, being at one time a charismatic was taught that when you go to prayer and ask sincerely you will always get a response from God. I realized that what I was hearing was not always God but spirits. Many of the crazy things you hear from especially charismatic teachers is crazy- smooth sounding and pleasing to the sin nature but on the wrong side of the veil. New age mostly. We must beware of this. However sincere we are the devil knows our weaknesses and plays to them. Better to grieve with Godly sorrow while the flesh does it’s thing. This includes not only loss of loved ones but loss of naïveté and childish thinking.

    God is a Holy God, doing justice, loving mercy. And as Jesus showed, walking humbly.

  31. Beloved says:

    John 6:44


    44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me qdraws him. And rI will raise him up on the last day.

    Jn 12:32 Je 31:3 Ho 11:4 Jn 6:65 Jn 4:23
    Jn 6:39

  32. poohpity says:

    Forever I have shared with you a passage that shares what happens when a person dies and does not know Christ. After death there seems to be no other chance than what they had when they were alive. However you did not believe what Jesus taught for that instance so why would you believe anything else the scripture teaches. I guess picking and choosing what to believe so that we find comfort even if it is a lie is no way to live by faith, that would be more like depending on human thought and reasoning not coming from the Holy Spirit’s teaching.

  33. poohpity says:

    This also is a teaching of Jesus to His disciples about people falling away because their hearts had really not been ready to fully accept His teaching.

    Matt 13: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

    So from what I understand that would be the people that accept Jesus by word only not deep within their hearts. People say they are Christians all the time but are they really and only God knows that for sure.

  34. foreverblessed says:

    Forever I have shared with you a passage that shares what happens when a person dies and does not know Christ. After death there seems to be no other chance than what they had when they were alive.
    However you did not believe what Jesus taught for that instance so why would you believe anything else the scripture teaches.”

    Dear dear Pooh, there is a difference:
    Believing what Jesus taught
    and your interpretation of what Jesus taught.

    Sorry for the inconvenience that gives to you.

    And may God forgive the rest of what you just say there about me.

  35. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I really do not rejoice about it that any of you insinuate that I distort scripture.

    The scriptures Pooh gave, I have given my interpretations every time she gave it.

    I say, we do not know, but deducting from Who God is,
    I do believe that God is Holy,and Good, and Merciful, and all the other attributes.
    He is just, and He is gracious.
    He saves all who call on His Name.
    And He is always the same.

    Judgment is about receiving a reward, the reward is according to what we have done while in the flesh.
    That is over when we die,
    The reward, being how many souls that have been touched by the Spirit through us.

    It is more fair to say: I do not agree with your interpretation. Instead of saying that I do not believe what Jesus taught.

  36. foreverblessed says:

    Besides, it is now Maundy Thursday night.
    The night of the Last Supper,
    Where Jesus instituted the Bread and the Wine, to do it in remembrance of what Jesus has done for us.
    He died for us, to save us, and to give us Resurrection Life,.
    That is my belief, that we live in faith of Jesus Christ, Who saved us from the Kingdom of darkness.
    He Jesus, the Word, by Whom all is made that was made and there is nothing made that was not made by Him.
    He became flesh and dwelt among us,
    So that when the hour was there He would be lifted from the earth and draw all to Him.

    In Jesus’ Love I pray, in great thankfulness for all He has done.
    Without Him we would be lost,
    But thanks to Him we are found! And in peace, in His shade we hide, and are safe

  37. Beloved says:

    Dear forever I believe we are all learning and disagree with Pooh’s summation/condemnation of you.

  38. Beloved says:

    Forever I see you are of a very very sweet gentle disposition that hurts greatly at another’s harm of yourself and others.
    I like who you are and the spirit you bring here.
    Shalom and have a blessed Easter!

  39. Beloved says:

    Ugh-now to sign out and in, again.

  40. street says:

    thinking about steve and forever’s comments.
    steve’s…. what are we?
    forever’s…. what are we doing?

    thinking of man/human, not God. the two are persons one creator the other creature. thinking, knew us before the foundation of the world, comes to mind.

    thinking of law. a mirror that shows us what we truly are.
    God made us image bearers. seems we should be the mirror not the law.

    forever is think of mans expression of God in art and music.

    as image bearers of the invisible God we are reminded of Jesus is the perfect visible manifestation of the invisible God.

    visible manifestations of Spirit and Truth serving God in mortal bodies?

  41. Beloved says:

    thinking of law. a mirror that shows us what we truly are.
    God made us image bearers. seems we should be the mirror not the law.

    I was just thinking how black/white thinking is so like the law. I’d never made that connection before. As an empath people confess sins to me all the time. (Often strangers) How easy it would be to condemn and criticize but Christ in me hears and filters everything with compassion and mercy. I’ve seen many tears as people recognize their need for Christ. It’s amazing. He is amazing!

  42. Beloved says:

    Just want to clarify that being an empathetic person by nature has its many pitfalls, of course, due to the fact that we are all born sinners-damaged by sin before and after birth. If I’m too empathetic I lose my focus on Christ and can even become a people worshipper and I become of no value to God or anyone else. Prophetic types hate this and wish I’d just go away! Yet I know I’m part of Gods kingdom even as a damaged child. I need Him constantly, I dare not trust myself or others, only Christ.

    What a wonderful time to live! Now we focus on the passion and redemption of Christ. Oh it’s glorious!!

  43. SFDBWV says:

    If you go to YouTube you can find “What Jesus Said About-Life After Death” an Our Daily Bread Day of Discovery video about 26 minutes long.

    It has snowed all day here, the Robins will be hunkering down tonight.


  44. poohpity says:

    Why blame God for people not being saved? That is not what He wanted, He wanted all to be saved and live in eternity with Him that is why Jesus came. If a person makes the choice not to believe, they have made the choice not to be with God through eternity. That was their choice not God’s! They have had a whole life time of hearing about God each person makes a choice whether to believe or not.

  45. bubbles says:

    Let us remember to pray for Mart and his family.

  46. SFDBWV says:

    A blessed “Good Friday” to all.


  47. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve,
    Yes, Bubbles, I still am praying.
    But… with peace, peace that comes from above.

    Having a deep connection with Jesus, fixing my eyes on Him.
    That is the only sure thing now at this moment.
    The only answer for the agony that we may have about loved ones that have died, and we’re not sure of God’s love for them.

  48. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve, for that YouTube video, “what Jesus said about life after death” by Our Daily Bread, it is done by Mart, our host.
    And bring immersed in the scriptures he gives, is so soothing!

    Thanks thanks thanks
    And thank you Beloved for your wonderful benediction! That did good to my heart. I know we have to look to Jesus, but it is s joy when you stretch out your hand in sweet love.

  49. foreverblessed says:

    Scriptures in that video:
    Mark 8:36
    John 10:28-30
    John 10:10-13
    John 5:24
    John 6:40
    John 5:28-29
    2 Tim 1:10
    John 8:51
    John 3:16
    John 14:1-3
    Do not let your hearts be troubled, you believe in God, in Me also believe

    So that is a great command for me to follow!

    Jesus died on the Cross, for all.
    In His blood we have forgiveness of sins.
    In His body He brings humanity to God.
    To all those who believe in Him.

    That is the God we worship!!!

  50. jeff1 says:

    Hope all have a blessed Easter.


    A crown of thorns placed on His head
    He knew that He would soon be dead
    He said “Did you forget me Father did You”
    They nailed Him to a wooden cross
    Soon all the world would feel the loss
    Of Christ the King before His Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    He hung His head and prepared to die
    Then lifted His face up to the sky
    Said “I am coming home now Father to You”
    A reed which held His final sip
    Was gently lifted to His lips
    He drank His last and gave His soul to glory
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    The soldier who had used his sword
    To pierce the body of our Lord
    Said, “Truly this was Jesus Christ our Saviour”
    He looked with fear upon his sword
    Then turned to face his Christ and Lord
    Fell to his knees crying “Hallelujah”
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Took from His head the thorny crown
    And wrapped Him in a linen gown
    And laid Him down to rest inside the tomb
    The holes in His hand, His feet and side
    Now in our hearts we know He died
    To save us from ourselves, oh Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Three days went by again they came
    To move the stone, to bless the slain
    With oil and spice and ointing, Hallelujah
    But as they went to move the stone
    They saw that they were not alone
    For Jesus Christ has risen, Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

  51. bullwinkle11 says:

    May you all have a blessed Easter. Today is a wonderful day to remember the price that was paid for our salvation.

    Not quite sure how we continue to divide over the subject of universal salvation, but it seems to me that the bible is quite clear that those who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

    From Proverbs 2:
    20 Thus you will walk in the ways of the good
    and keep to the paths of the righteous.
    21 For the upright will live in the land,
    and the blameless will remain in it;
    22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,
    and the unfaithful will be torn from it.

  52. SFDBWV says:

    Several years ago Mart put up a couple different subjects for us to “Think” about with regards to “reading between the lines.

    Most of us agreed that reading between the lines is dangerous territory, but that in that gray area revelation knowledge can be found.

    A peek perhaps beyond that curtain.

    No one can earn salvation it is a free gift of God.

    The price being the reason we celebrate today as being a “Good” Friday.

    With the possible exception of the Prophesy from Daniel nearly all of prophesy is somewhat vague. Being only realized after the fact by most. Some few given that extra sight to see or is revealed to them.

    Jesus went into some detail when narrating the story of the rich man and the beggar. In the story the rich man after his death was still alive could feel pain had his memory and was in a place of torment. Not hell, a place of torment. And Lazarus the beggar in “Paradise”, not heaven.

    When Jesus hung on the cross and the thief ask for Jesus to remember him when He entered His Kingdom, Jesus replied “today you will be with me in “Paradise”, not heaven.

    There is a place where the soul goes after death, either paradise, or a place of torment until the rapture (first resurrection) when all the dead in Christ are raptured body and soul up into heaven with Christ and all the lost remain in torment until the judgement (the second resurrection).

    Thankfully such “people” as you and I are not who sets on the seat of judgement. But rather it is God.

    Even though I know better, I have to say that most of you here won’t argue with the concept that a great deal of Bible language is symbolic not literal. Especially a great deal of the language found in Revelation.

    I want to say here that death and hell are not living things. Yet at the seat of judgement death and hell are thrown into that lake of fire.

    Is it possible that this lake of fire is symbolic of a place where nothing can survive it nor return from it?

    A symbol of completely being done away with? Gone forever.

    The question then remains what of all the souls of mankind from Adam to the last?

    Those who made the choice for Christ never seen torment after death, while those who did not did. That is until the judgement.

    What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery?

    “There is no one here to condemn you and neither do I.”

    What do you see when you read between the lines?
    Hope through the sacrifice, and power of Christ?
    Or are you satisfied with hopelessness for the lost?

    I hope that in the end of all things found there in Revelation all are forgiven, given a new heart and restored to God.

    That the spirit of evil no longer exists and all things made new without even the threat of its return.

    I do not expect any one of you to agree with my hopes nor am I trying to teach anyone of you something contrary to what is given in Scripture.

    It’s how I see things written in black and white, red and between the lines.


  53. Beloved says:

    yesterday I said I did not know what happens to those who did not ever hear about Jesus. Well, in scripture Jesus said the gospel would be preached to all before he returns again.

    Matthew 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    I think about all the translators busy writing scripture in different languages today. We here in the US certainly have heard about Jesus, yet some turn away or outright reject Jesus as their messiah. The darkness is really overtaking our country. Yet a few remain strong and committed. Just as Jesus said would happen then, so now. A day is like a thousand years to God says scripture (can’t recall where right now). We know we are closer and closer to the end; Paul certainly thought so two thousand years ago as we all know.

    I like learning so thank you for the conversation.

    May yours and all BTA friends’ Easter Joys manifest glory honor and praise to our great God who reigns in wisdom power holiness and to Jesus our Savior, Amen

  54. Beloved says:

    I’ve been studying some psalms and read this just now:

    Psalm 81:15, NASB: “Those who hate the LORD would pretend to obey Him, And their time of punishment would be forever.”

  55. street says:

    Even though I know better, I have to say that most of you here won’t argue with the concept that a great deal of Bible language is symbolic not literal. Especially a great deal of the language found in Revelation.

    thinking of moses building the temple after the pattern of the Temple in heaven. after the pattern, with sticks and stones. moses seems to be standing beyond the vale. a place where the children of God are invited to come. through His gates with thanksgiving and into His Court with praise.

    washed by His Word, cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, give New Life by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

  56. Beloved says:

    I think that whether scripture is deemed symbolic or literal it is always about God. Spiritual symbolism.

  57. street says:

    2 He, Jesus, was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house. 3 For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the builder of the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.

    9 By faith he lived as a stranger in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; 10 for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 By faith even Sarah herself received [a]ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.

  58. street says:

    may Father bless the elect, the assemble of the righteous, this Passion week as we remember all the things He has brought into our journey and guides us through. To Father, Son, and HolySpirit be Honor Glory in love now and forever.

  59. street says:

    been thinking about and reading Jesus’s prayer in John 17 before the cross. let the peace Jesus gives settle our hearts in perfect rest and joy. thinking watching waiting going of the book of Mark.

  60. foreverblessed says:

    Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that He might give eternal life to all those You have given Him.
    Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
    John 17:1-3

  61. poohpity says:

    I wonder if sharing the Gospel would be less important to us if one thought there was another chance after we are dead to hear it and come to believe? Can the dead hear or reply? Or is it for the comfort of the believer to think because one has failed to share the Good News, whether in word or deed, that the great commission was for others to do because they did not do it?

    For the living to know how much God loves them and went to the extreme to prove that love doesn’t it bring such healing to a person’s heart knowing they are forgiven and do not have to earn God’s love, so they live this life in the rest and peace of knowing who they are to God?

    Paradise to me would be a place where there is no need to struggle, no need to fall prey to evil in any form, no pain, a place where every need was provided, no grief, no desperation, no worry and the most important thing to be in a face to face relationship with God. Sounds a lot like heaven to me. Our salvation is kept safe in heaven so it does not become corrupt, so someone who has never received the gift of salvation and dies can they get into heaven to get that salvation? That is something to think about.

    1 Peter 1: God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

    May God give you more and more grace and peace.

    3 All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by his great mercy that we have been born again, because God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Now we live with great expectation, 4 and we have a priceless inheritance—an inheritance that is kept in heaven for you, pure and undefiled, beyond the reach of change and decay. 5 And through your faith, God is protecting you by his power until you receive this salvation, which is ready to be revealed on the last day for all to see.

    6 So be truly glad. There is wonderful joy ahead, even though you must endure many trials for a little while. 7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.

    8 You love him even though you have never seen him. Though you do not see him now, you trust him; and you rejoice with a glorious, inexpressible joy. 9 The reward for trusting him will be the salvation of your souls.

    10 This salvation was something even the prophets wanted to know more about when they prophesied about this gracious salvation prepared for you. 11 They wondered what time or situation the Spirit of Christ within them was talking about when he told them in advance about Christ’s suffering and his great glory afterward.

    12 They were told that their messages were not for themselves, but for you. And now this Good News has been announced to you by those who preached in the power of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. It is all so wonderful that even the angels are eagerly watching these things happen.

  62. Beloved says:

    Meditation on the cross

    John 3:16-17
    New King James Version
    16 (A)For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten (B)Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 (C)For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    Cross references

    A John 3:16 : Rom. 5:8; Eph. 2:4; 2 Thess. 2:16; [1 John 4:9, 10; Rev. 1:5]
    B John 3:16 : [Is. 9:6]
    C John 3:17 : Matt. 1:21; Luke 9:56; 1 John 4:14

  63. poohpity says:

    Beloved I wonder if the passage from Luke in part C should be Luke 9:52-56 about not condemning?

  64. Beloved says:

    Talk to Biblegateway about it.

  65. Beloved says:

    I’m guessing the point is that Jesus leaves where He is not accepted. The World.

  66. street says:

    Beloved I wonder if the passage from Luke in part C should be Luke 9:52-56 about not condemning?

    thinking about Word getting back to the village of the Samaritans about why Jesus was going to jerusalem? if i remember right Jesus was abandoned by all. it was a about Jesus not condemning, the One we follow.

    been thinking about the blind guy Jesus restored his sight too and followed Jesus to jerusalem where He was crucified. that must have been hard to receive, when we understand we all need mercy.

    is it any less difficult to receive a risen Savior?

  67. Beloved says:

    Oh yes street that makes much more sense. He did leave the world though only to return as the savior of the world that abandoned Him. 😊 How blessed are those who have not seen yet believe!

  68. street says:

    seems to me the paradise of God would be His Presents.

    even in a world of darkness and suffering.

    the place of His will and His circumstance.

    that our joy would be full in Him.

    only because of what Jesus has done.

    the Righteous, shall live, by trust.

  69. jeff1 says:

    Your ways are not our ways, O God,
    Your thoughts, forever true.
    Your time is always perfect, Lord.
    We humbly trust in You.
    We rest and wait on You.

    We bow before You, Sovereign God.
    Our hearts at last are still.
    The root and fruit of prayer are this:
    We only want Your will.
    We simply want Your will.

    Our hopes and plans will disappoint
    And pleasant streams run dry,
    But You are rich, unchanging joy,
    A constant, sweet supply,
    Our every-day supply.

    Lord, You redeem each grief and loss
    And draw our hearts above.
    There all will show and shout and sing
    That You are always love,
    Forever perfect love.

  70. Beloved says:

    If I post scripture that comes with footnotes it’s copied usually from Biblegateway. I’ll mention where I copied from. I’m not energetic enough to post my own footnotes🤣

  71. Beloved says:

    Paradise is the place the righteous go vs hell or hades for the unrighteous. Since the atonement hadn’t been completed the thief went to paradise where Jesus went to set them free. Remember how when Jesus returned to walk on the earth the graves opened up and people rose from their tombs? Must have been quite a sight. Since then when we die the righteous in Christ are with the LORD.

    In the OT paradise refers to the garden of Eden.

  72. Beloved says:

    There has always been a separation of believers and unbelievers after death (Luke 16:19-31). The righteous have always gone to paradise; the wicked have always gone to hell. For right now, both paradise and hell are “temporary holding places” until the day when Jesus Christ comes back to judge the world based on whether or not individuals have believed in Him. The first resurrection is of believers who will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to receive rewards based on meritorious service to Him. The second resurrection will be that of unbelievers who will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment of God. At that point, all will be sent to their eternal destination—the wicked to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15), and the righteous to a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21—22).

    (Copied off the internet though I don’t completely think I agree with every sentence but it’s interesting nonetheless.)

  73. SFDBWV says:

    Happy Easter morning to all.


  74. bubbles says:

    He is risen! Thankful for the hope Easter brings us. Thank you, Jesus, for all you did for us.

  75. bullwinkle11 says:

    Happy Easter to all!

    The importance of the resurrection:

    13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.

    May we share the joy that God has provided.

  76. poohpity says:

    Happy Resurrection Sunday to all. May this celebration day bring renewed hope, a revitalized relationship with the Lord and a beautiful remembrance of how totally amazing His grace truly is for such an undeserving lot as humanity is.

  77. jeff1 says:

    A hymn from our Easter Sunday Communion Service.

    Jesus our Master
    on the night that they came
    To take you to prison
    To death and to shame
    You call to your table
    The friends that you knew
    And asked them to do this
    In remembrance of you.

    Still through the ages
    Your new friends draw near.
    And know when they do so
    That you will be here;
    We know you are present
    Though just out of view,
    To meet those who gather
    In remembrance of you.

    When it is over
    And all gone away
    Come back to our thoughts
    For the rest of the day,
    And stay with us always
    Who meet here to do
    The thing you commanded
    In remembrance of you.

  78. SFDBWV says:

    I have to tell you about a little boy I just met at the cemetery. He is about 4 to 5 years old and just bubbling with life.

    As I was talking with his mother and father he was going from tombstone to tombstone jabbering and then I heard the little fellow talking about a man standing up by the “tree”.

    His mother explained that he talks to a little girl down on the other end of the cemetery every time they are down in that area. The little boy calls her by name.

    The little fellow came over to take his dad up to the tree to show him where the man is.

    There was no one there except me his mom and dad and sisters.

    Yes life is quite the experience.


  79. foreverblessed says:

    Will pray for that boy, and his family!

    Thank You thank You Jesus, for all You did for us.
    I think I can hardly fathom the depth, the width and the height of what You did.
    May I accept it, and may I now live in faith in You.
    The enter that Rest to which You called me.

  80. Beloved says:

    Someone needs to tell the little boy to not speak to spirits.

  81. Beloved says:

    Someone needs to tell him about Jesus.

  82. poohpity says:

    Could it be that the man by the tree was a Theophany to one who’s heart is open and pure?

  83. Beloved says:

    Thankfully, we remember the Resurrected One—who was making atonement for them, even as he prayed, “Father forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.”

    God told me another way to pray last night: Father, give my enemies as much grace as you have given me. It really changes my thinking in a new way. I am thankful for this revelation this Easter.

  84. street says:

    thinking about joseph dreams he shared with his family.

    seems to me we live in an age where listening to little boys is over.

    thinking of sheep and their relationship with their Shepard. you follow the one you listen to.

  85. foreverblessed says:

    Mart had given us a topic, the body and the blood of Christ, with Aquinas, and I am so thankful that he did that.
    The Cross of Christ has such a great implication for us.
    The Blood, that brings forgiveness of sins.
    At first, when we become christian, we know that we have sinned. Each one has his own particular sin, the oldest son his sins, and the youngest son his sins.
    And we find forgiveness through the blood of Christ.
    That is the topic of Romans 1 to Romans 5:11

    Then we start our journey with Jesus, and we find that certain misgivings keep coming up, our sins are forgiven, but we keep sinning. We want to be patient, but irritations come up inside, we want to be at peace but fear comes up. We want to love our enemies, but anger comes up. We fail.
    We find that is not that we have sinned, but the we are sinners;
    Because of the sin of one man, Adam, sin entered the world.
    Romans 5:12-21
    Our heredity is in Adam, we are sinners.
    And that is a deep truth that is hard to grasp.

    But God had thought of a way to free us from our sinful nature:
    The Body of Christ

  86. foreverblessed says:

    The Body of Christ:
    God’s Word says that He puts us in the Body of Christ.
    And we were hanging with Him on the Cross, and we died with Him.

    God does not make our old man better: God had thought of a different solution: He lets it die on the Cross. Our old man has died with Christ.

    Don’t you know that all of us who were baptised into Christ were baptized into His death?

    It is God’s Word who says so.
    And it is a done deal, it has already happened;
    When Jesus died on the Cross, we were in Him.
    He descended into the grave, we were in Him.

  87. foreverblessed says:

    But now comes the good part:
    When Jesus was resurrected, we were resurrected with Him!

    We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order tgatthat, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
    Romans 6:4
    And the verse in the former comment it was Romans 6:3

    When we remember Jesus in the bread and wine, we remember that in His Body we have died, and we’re raised to Newness of life.
    It has ready happened, to all of us who believe in Jesus.
    We have to believe that more dwells, so as not to give in to our old inclinations. Fight them in the name of Jesus, we are not tied to them anymore, we are dead to them.
    We are now new to live a life in the Spirit, the gifts of Grace we can ask from above
    Love, joy, peace patience…

    Hold on the truth that we are New in Christ.

    Romans 6:1-14

  88. foreverblessed says:

    If anyone else has commented, I don’t see it.
    Street, this message of the Cross, is the key to our old man, having died, and is gone. As you often talk about it. The truth of this is so great, the solution of God is not in the law, but in the Cross.

  89. SFDBWV says:

    In your heart was yesterday, Easter morning, why Christianity was born? That is to say, do you believe in Jesus as Messiah solely based on the event of the resurrection?

    The earliest believers believed on Him before His death and resurrection.

    Something about Him drew them to Him.

    Some were even aware of what lay ahead for Him.

    None could deny the miracles He performed.

    You would have thought raising Lazarus from death 4 days into it would have convinced the most stoic of His enemies.

    But the empty tomb, was what synched the deal. Here was proof that though so many watched as Jesus was tortured and died. He was not in the grave.

    He had overcome and defeated death.

    In fact it was reported that He appeared to many between that morning and the day of ascension.
    Of course after Pentecost we have a spiritual connection that assures us as to Who Jesus is and our place with Him.

    However what caused you to believe?
    The words of His ministry? His story being in sync with OT prophesy? Because someone you trusted and believed, believed?

    Or did something deep in your heart awaken to the knowledge that this man Jesus of Nazareth is God?

    Easter Sunday is God’s gift that Jesus was who He implied He was, is and that we who become His followers will one day also leave an empty tomb behind.

    As for my story of the little boy at the cemetery. I just want to say for the moment that I have often told people that I can remember a time when I remembered that I could no longer see angels.

    I believe that little babies, and little children see angels until such time their innocence begins to fade.

    I once read a comment from a well-known Christian apologist that he hoped that the people down-syndrome people talk to are angels.

    What do you see with the eye of your spirit? Light or darkness?

    27 degrees and frosty under a starry sky.


  90. poohpity says:

    If there had never been a resurrection of Jesus there would be no Christianity today just as Pete shared on April 4th @ 7:21 am in 1 Cor 15:13-15.

    Lazarus the brother of Mary and Martha was not resurrected but brought back to life in the same form as he died. It seems with a resurrected body it does not resemble the physical body that died because if that were so then everyone who saw Jesus after He had been resurrected would have recognized Him but it wasn’t until He spoke that many realized it was Jesus.

  91. street says:

    It would have been extremely difficult for the disciples to grasp that the departure of Jesus from their midst would usher in a time during which his “replacement” would serve God’s purposes more effectively.

    The truth is more readily seen when we compare the weakness of the disciples just before the crucifixion (“everyone deserted him and fled,” Mk 14:50 with their boldness after the Holy Spirit had come upon them (“the apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name,” Ac 5:41.

  92. street says:

    forever you write well. been thinking of Romans were the law is upheld by faith, or established by faith.

    Romans 3:31
    Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

    Romans 8:11
    But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Romans 3:21
    But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

    Romans 3:27
    Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

  93. jeff1 says:

    I inherited my faith in God through religious and cultural beliefs but I have come a long way in seeing that God is much wider than my limited viewpoint.

    God’s vastness is way beyond my understanding but Christ’s sacrifice is what I know to be a gift and it is in accepting and celebrating it that I have assurances of a better world to come whether than is in this life or ‘Beyond the Curtain’ I don’t know but believe it to be God’s plan for the redemption of mankind.

    When I focus on Jesus I get peace that the world cannot give me and so I disturb my own peace when I get distracted by the world and all the uncertainties it brings.

    I believe He has overcome the world so knowing this I must learn to trust in His omniscience and not keep focusing on my own limited understanding of it.

  94. Beloved says:


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    2 Corinthians 5:14-15 Share This
    For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

    Thinking about the Law and how whether we know it or not in our thinking and behaving or misbehaving all were under law until Easter morning. Hallelujah He is risen, indeed!

  95. Beloved says:

    Viv I wanted to tell you I watched a new documentary on life in N Ireland called “I took my son to be shot”. It was shocking but I came to understand better the life you have lived and are still living with. I’m glad you live out in the country as I think you said so away from the stressors of living in town. God bless you my dear friend and keep you today as He always has. You’ve lived a remarkable life attesting to the greatness of our wonderful God and Father.

  96. Beloved says:

    As for our limited understanding of God we are all limited yet my prayer regularly is to know Him better. To know God even as I am known by Him. Always learning.

  97. Beloved says:

    John 20:19
    When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    That’s our only hope when faced with scary situations as Viv has attested to here often. ❤️

  98. street says:

    the cross…….forgiven

    the Resurrection……new life in Christ

    to live is Christ.

    in faith hope love

    who hopes for what they already have?

    we wait and watch for the Lord. go before Him daily.

    He prepares a table before me….

  99. Beloved says:

    Who hopes for what they already have? Indeed.

  100. Beloved says:

    Romans 5:5
    New American Standard Bible
    5 and hope (A)does not disappoint, because the love of God has been (B)poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

  101. foreverblessed says:

    Wonderful bible verse that is:
    Hope and love

    1 John 3:16
    This is how we know what love is:
    Jesus Christ laid down His life for us.
    And we ought to lay down our life for our brothers.

    Verse of the day on Biblegateway.
    It is quite something the similarity between:
    1 John 3:16 and John 3:16

  102. foreverblessed says:

    Commentary by Alexander Mclaren on Rom 5:5

    After all is said and done, the love of God, eternal, self-originated, the source of all Christian experiences because of the work of Christ which originates them all, is the root fact of the universe, and the guarantee that our highest anticipations and desires are not unsubstantial visions, but morning dreams, which are proverbially sure to be fulfilled. God is love; therefore the man who trusts Him shall not be put to shame.

    Do this, in remembrance of Me.

    When things are hard pressed, when God seems far away, when prayers do not seem to be heard:

    Remember what Jesus has done for us. Out of His great love for us.
    All evil has been conquered, in the wilderness, in Gethsemane, on the Cross, in the grave.
    Jesus was victorious.
    All evil is a phantom. I do not have to be intimidated by it, but rather look to Jesus.
    IN Jesus I am safe and secure.

  103. foreverblessed says:

    The citation of McLaren ends before the sentence:
    “Do this in remembrance of Me.”

    Here is some more of the sermon of Mclaren on Romans 5:5
    If you want to read more encouragement:

    That love, we may be very sure, will not foster in us hopes that are to be disappointed. Now, it is a fact that the more a man feels that God loves him, the less is it possible for him to believe that that love will ever terminate, or that he shall ‘all die.’ In the lock of a canal, as the water pours in, the vessel rises. In our hearts, as the flood of the full love of God pours in, our hopes are borne up and up, nearer and nearer to the heavens. Since it is so, we must find in the fact that the constant and necessary result of communion with Him here on earth is a conviction of the immortality of that communion, a very, very strong guarantee for ourselves that the hope is not in vain. And if you say that that is all merely subjective, yet I think that the universality of the experience is a fact to be taken into account even by those who doubt the reality of the hope, and for ourselves, at all events, is a sufficient ground on which to rest. We have the historical fact of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. We have the fact that wherever there has been earthly experience of true communion with God, there, and in the measure in which it has been realised, the thermometer of our hopes of immortality, so to speak, has risen. ‘God is love,’ and God will not bring the man that trusts Him to confusion.

  104. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    April 5, 2021 at 11:52 am
    Viv I wanted to tell you I watched a new documentary on life in N Ireland called “I took my son to be shot”. It was shocking but I came to understand better the life you have lived and are still living with. I’m glad you live out in the country as I think you said so away from the stressors of living in town. God bless you my dear friend and keep you today as He always has. You’ve lived a remarkable life attesting to the greatness of our wonderful God and Father

    Beloved, there is an advertisement shown here which shows the woman in a car with her son and him pleading for her not to take him to the paramilitaries but he has done wrong and the punishment in these areas is done by who controls them and so depending on whether you live in a loyalist or republican area you will be dealt with by those paramilitaries.

    While I live in the country the ‘troubles’ here has badly affected relationships between different religions as ‘trust’ has broken down and that is because in the borders areas many of the members of the security forces were either blown up or taken out and shot some in front of their families and so those with connections to the SF alienated themselves from the Roman Catholic community as they did not know where their sympathies lay and to trust them could mean reprisals or even death.

    Today there is rioting on the street because the Police here have not enforced the law on members of Sinn Fein the political wing of the IRA who broke the Coronavirus restrictions attending a funeral of a member and so they see that there is a law for the ordinary man and a law for those in power and they are not the same.

    If leadership breaks the rules they excuse themselves while the people are punished so it is perhaps not surprising that people are angry, confused and wonder where is the justice as many here had to bury their loved ones social distancing and limited numbers allowed at the funerals.

    Without just and unbiased leadership we are doomed to fall into the traps of the past for we never seem to be able to leave it behind whatever the reasons.

    Can I just say be careful of documentaries on the troubles here as I find people’s memory recall is very different to what actually was.

    When I go to tell something myself sometimes others have interrupted me and said that was not how it was and when they have I have realized they were right that my memory is not what it used to be.

    I think there are truths that never may be revealed until we get ‘Beyond the Curtain’ as when we get into the ‘blame game’ as we have in this Province there is no good comes from it.

    John 14:27 “ Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

  105. foreverblessed says:

    Good ending Jeff: eyes fixed on Jesus!

    Steve, I wanted to thank you for your thoughts on April 2, 10.27 am
    Thank you for reminding us of the topic Mart ones gave:
    What do you read in between the lines?

    As we think in our hearts that is how we see God is.

    And especially your question: are you satisfied with the idea that many are lost, list without end?

    That is such a good question.

    What do I read between the lines

    I remember the story of Moses, Exodus 32:1-35
    where Moses is on the mountain, and gone for a long time, and the people make a golden calf.

    Then God gives His Word:
    Leave me alone, so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. And I will make you into a great nation.
    Ex 32:10

    Now, here is my point: this was the sacred Word of God! God would destroy the people.
    Did Moses bow down to His Word and say: So be it! I will not gainsay what God has spoken, I will revere His Word and keep it in my heart?!

    Moses had been reading between the lines:
    He had seen God work, and he had seen Who God was. He had remembered what God had promised to Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

    And Moses goes against the verdict God has given.

    And this example of Moses I have in front of me, when christian people make interpretations of what the Bible seems to say about those who have died, without knowing Jesus intimately.

    But I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    “What do you see when you read between the lines?
    Hope through the sacrifice, and power of Christ?
    Or are you satisfied with hopelessness for the lost?

    Are we satisfied.with the hopelessness for the lost, or do we, like Moses did, talk with God about it,
    make intercessory prayers?
    And beg for mercy?

  106. poohpity says:

    I do not want anyone to be separated from God. I want that all will be saved as it seems God does as well but not every person wants to be saved or even admit there is a God to be separated from. Does God force Himself on anyone? Can any of you force anyone to love you? God gave us free will to make our own choices so those who have made the choice not to believe in God does He force them to? Those who want nothing to do with God then why would they want to spend eternity with someone they want nothing to do with? It is after all very simple either spend eternity with God or spend eternity without God which is hell all in and of itself no matter how much mercy is prayed for, that choice is up to a living person after death the choice was already made and from what Jesus taught there is no crossing over.

    I would imagine that was the very reason Jesus gave us our great commission to go and tell people the Good News. If we are concerned about whether someone will spend eternity with God or not, then be sure to go tell as many people as you can as the main priority in your life so that none will perish. Go into all the world in every tongue, in every culture, for every race for all humanity and at least go to your grave knowing that you ran a good race and never gave up on sharing your love for God so others will come to know Him too!! Or are you satisfied in only talking about how sad it is that some will be lost and doing nothing about it? All talk and no action.

  107. poohpity says:

    Will there be one person in heaven that will thank you for telling them the Good News so that they will live in eternity with God? Just one.

    Thank You

    I dreamed I went to heaven
    And you were there with me
    We walked upon the streets of gold
    Beside the crystal sea
    We heard the angels singing
    Then someone called your name
    You turned and saw this young man
    And he was smiling as he came
    And he said friend you may not know me now
    And then he said but wait
    You used to teach my Sunday School
    When I was only eight
    And every week you would say a prayer
    Before the class would start
    And one day when you said that prayer
    I asked Jesus in my heart

    Thank you for giving to the Lord
    I am a life that was changed
    Thank you for giving to the Lord
    I am so glad you gave

    Then another man stood before you
    And said remember the time
    A missionary came to your church
    And his pictures made you cry
    You didn’t have much money
    But you gave it anyway
    Jesus took the gift you gave
    And that’s why I’m here today

    CHORUS (repeat)

    One by one they came
    Far as the eyes could see
    Each life somehow touched
    By your generosity
    Little things that you had done
    Sacrifices made
    Unnoticed on the earth
    In heaven now proclaimed

    And I know that up in heaven
    You’re not supposed to cry
    But I am almost sure
    There were tears in your eyes
    As Jesus took your hand
    And you stood before the Lord
    He said, my child look around you
    For great is your reward

  108. jeff1 says:

    When watching a programme on television the other night one of the actors who is Northern Irish was having a conversation with a forensic pathologist and he the (forensic pathologist) asked the Northern Irish actor about his beliefs after death and he replied to him “I am giving you the Ballymurphy answer, is their life before death?”.

    Made me think a lot about perspectives!

  109. Beloved says:

    Viv the movie is a current documentary about one families’ problems. The mother said it was common practice at one time to take their drug dealing sons to an alley to have their legs shot by the local paramilitary to stop them from dealing. She deeply regrets doing this. And of course they talked about the Troubles and them not trusting British forces still saying the Friday Peace accord by Clinton was fake to them. So on it goes and as I said I understand the struggles you have gone through much better. The anger and hatred run deep, sadly, but how else could it be. You’ve found a Place of Refuge and for that I am so glad.

  110. jeff1 says:

    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die
    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die

    Once upon a time there lived a man
    And his name was Isaac
    He walked with God, both day and night
    But he didn’t wanna die

    He cried, “Oh Lord, please let me live
    Death is close, I know”
    God smiled down on Isaac
    And gave him fifteen years to go

    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die
    Lord, I wanna go to Heaven
    But I don’t wanna die

    So, I long for the day when I’ll have new birth
    Still I love the livin’ here on Earth
    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die

    When Jesus lived here on this Earth
    He knew his father’s plan
    He knew that he must give his life
    To save the soul of man

    When Judas had betrayed him
    His father heard him cry
    He was brave until his death
    But he didn’t wanna die

    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die
    Lord, I wanna go to Heaven
    But I don’t wanna die

    So, I long for the day when I’ll have new birth
    Still, I love the livin’ here on Earth
    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die

    Everybody wants to go to Heaven
    But nobody wants to die

  111. jeff1 says:

    I was thinking of my friend and I recall her words to me when her father had reached the grand old age of 90 +.

    She said to me I hope no one says to me he’s had a good innings as I know he has but that won’t stop me missing him and when I thought about her circumstances I understood why she felt like this.

    Neither my parents reached anyway near this age but she was an only child and never married and her mother had died long before her dad had and she was so attached to him and took such good care of him and he of her and they became dependent on each other so I think the longer you have someone then the wrench may be harder.

    I find it hard to imagine heaven as life is so fleeing and especially as the years go on it seems to go quicker.

    Just a closer walk with Thee,
    Precious Jesus, hear my plea,
    Daily walking close to Thee,
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be.

    I am weak, but Thou art strong;
    Jesus, keep me from all wrong;
    I’ll be satisfied as long
    As I walk, let me walk close to Thee.

    Just a closer walk with Thee,
    Precious Jesus, hear my plea,
    Daily walking close to Thee,
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be.

    When my feeble life is o’er,
    Time for me will be no more;
    Guide me gently, safely o’er
    To Thy kingdom shore, to Thy shore.
    To Thy kingdom shore, to Thy shore.

    Just a closer walk with Thee,
    Precious Jesus, hear my plea,
    Daily walking close to Thee,
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be.
    Let it be, dear Lord, let it be

  112. jeff1 says:

    I meant to say fleeting.

  113. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of intercessory prayer.

    the home, and family life …
    children deprived of home…
    friends, relations and neighbours…
    relationships in daily life and work…
    those who are estranged…
    those who feel unloved…
    all ministries of care…


    Loving Father, we give you thanks
    for the obedience of Christ fulfilled in the cross,
    his bearing of the sin of the world,
    his mercy for the world, which never fails…

    for the joy of loving and being loved,
    for friendship,
    the lives to which our own are bound,
    the gift of peace with you and with one another…

    for the communities in whose lives we share
    and all relationships in which reconciliation may be known…

    Help us to share in Christ’s ministry
    of love and service to one another;
    through the same Jesus Christ our Lord,
    who in the unity of the Holy Spirit
    is one with you and for ever. Amen.

  114. Beloved says:

    I was just thinking- as I used to ask God often- why was I born into this family? One day I realized that we don’t choose our families of origin but knowing God as I did through Jesus I soon learned our families are as temporary as a sunrise on any given day. Yet a new sun every morning —just like His mercy. I have an Eternal family with one Father and many brothers and sisters who are all of the same mind; the mind Jesus gave us here. So, I concluded that even though I am still greatly influenced by my parents of the flesh it will be completely different beyond the curtain we strive to go through heavenward. .
    To God be the glory! Amen

  115. Beloved says:

    Viv I didn’t see your posted prayer for reconciliation. Reconciliation of peoples’ sounds good and right but I believe reconciliation with God through faith in Christ’s work on the cross is more important. Gods Love brings hope and hope brings peace. Truces amongst people do not bring love only more disappointment anger and selfishness. We see it here with the many truces between the government and the Native Indians that did not work out well. For reasons on both sides. Earthly power always wins—on earth. But Jesus took on flesh as a Servant to the least and He won!! Victory over darkness forever. He stated He could have called legions of Angels to save him but He chose not to; For all who are called according to His purposes, not our own selfishness.

  116. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, you have watched the documentary and say you understand something now of how deep the anger and hatred is here.

    Yet, you say I am wrong to pray for reconciliation but I say it is better than despairing for those who have hardened their minds and hearts and are not listening to God.

    You want people to be like you but they are not which is the challenges we face today as people are moving away from God and that proves the Bible to be right as each would go their own way and that is what is happening in the world today.

    Families are divided, my children do not share my faith but do you think that I believe God gives up on them for He didn’t on me and so why should I believe He would on them.

    Why should I believe that He would give up on anyone when I know He knows this can be a harsh world and we are all fallible.

  117. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, if earthly powers always wins on earth then it is not our purpose to succeed but to do what is right and let God do the rest.

  118. street says:

    16 For this reason it is [o]by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the [p]descendants, not only to [q]those who are of the Law, but also to [r]those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist. 18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “So shall your [s]descendants be.” 19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. 22 Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.

  119. Beloved says:

    Viv Paul said:
    And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. Hebrews11

    Many have a hard time 1) believing He exists, 2) and if they do believe they have a hard time believing He will reward them. What are those rewards? I think peace, joy, happiness hope and love. It’s all by faith. Jesus made the unclean clean. Oh so much to gain!

  120. Beloved says:

    I thought of Jesus entry into Jerusalem for Passover. Jesus weeps over the blindness of people. In intercession we do also.
    Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
    (Isaiah 29:1–16)
    41As Jesus approached Jerusalem and saw the city, He wept over it 42and said, “If only you had known on this day what would bring you peace! But now it is hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side. 44They will level you to the ground—you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.e”

  121. street says:

    10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only this, but we also celebrate in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Romans 5

    This, I think, is another reason for recalling that, in the unfolding drama of Holy Week, we walk in the ways and needs of people who didn’t yet know or recognize the everlasting-beyond-the-grave-goodness of their God. It’s about people who unwittingly wanted to kill him to protect themselves… without understanding that he was letting them have their way with him— so he could show how much the Father loved them, and us.

    If we are not heedful and pay no attention to the way the Spirit of God works in us, we will become spiritual hypocrites. We see where other people are failing, and then we take our discernment and turn it into comments of ridicule and criticism, instead of turning it into intercession on their behalf. God reveals this truth about others to us not through the sharpness of our minds but through the direct penetration of His Spirit. If we are not attentive, we will be completely unaware of the source of the discernment God has given us, becoming critical of others and forgetting that God says, “…he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death.” Be careful that you don’t become a hypocrite by spending all your time trying to get others right with God before you worship Him yourself. Oswald Chambers

  122. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you so much Street, for that advice.
    We worship God
    Be in a state of worshipping God.
    And have the heart and mind of Christ formed in us.
    As Jesus weeps, yes: weep, and make intercession, just like Jesus intercedes for us, day and night.

    The Church has to be purified first, that we may be one, and the world will see that God sent Jesus, John 17

    How can the world see Jesus, if the christians be are so divided. This is a huge problem,
    God have mercy, may we be completely humble, and do the things Jesus teaches, to bring all our cares to Him, and wait patiently for Him to act.

    Worship God, wait for Him

  123. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed you make coming to BTA a pleasure for me. In a place where we are free to express our thoughts and perhaps explore them with others, you make the effort worth it.

    Yesterday was an exhausting day and I am somewhat tired this morning. I may come back later, but for now I turn my energy to my responsibilities and to continued prayer.

    37 degrees f under a clear starry sky.


  124. foreverblessed says:

    May God bless you in your continuing praye, and responsibilities.
    Jesus is very very pleased with all the serving you do for others in His Name. May He give you strength and wisdom.

    And I wait for your thoughts.
    But in the mean time, I think about: what is the greatest truth in the Bible:
    The Cross

    ” The heart of salvation is the Cross of Christ. The reason salvation is so easy to obtain is that it cost God so much. The Cross was the place where God and sinful man merged with a tremendous collision and where the way to life was opened. But all the cost and pain of the collision was absorbed by the heart of God.”
    Oswald Chambers yesterday.

    A great collision he calls it.
    The greatest truth there is, and saving truth!
    We can agree on that, as christians.
    And we can study the effect of the Cross in our own lives, and and obey what Jesus teaches us, study the Gospels, and so make our lives a greater blessing to others around us. As was the meaning of Abraham, to be a blessing to many nations, through the Seed: Jesus, Son of God, who would die for our sins on the Cross, and Who would give us resurrection Life, in the Spirit.


  125. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    April 6, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    Viv Paul said:
    And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. Hebrews11Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)

    Many have a hard time 1) believing He exists, 2) and if they do believe they have a hard time believing He will reward them. What are those rewards? I think peace, joy, happiness hope and love. It’s all by faith. Jesus made the unclean clean. Oh so much to gain!

    Beloved, I inherited my faith and not only that but I had a dad who was persistent in telling me to keep my focus on Christ before religion or culture.

    I see in this Province that peoples driving force is their religion and culture and though they believe in God he must fit in with their beliefs whereas my dad taught me I must do God’s will.

    If I pray for those who have wandered it is because I remember the foolishness of my youth and I never listened to my dad but followed my peers who were loyalists and we were going to stand firm our slogan being “We shall not be moved”.

    What do we war about but the land, oil or whatever great nations fight about to have the monopoly on so they can Lord it over one and other but what about the young men and women who go to their deaths because we have becomes nations of bullies who have forgotten God’s way are to share and to do so with sincerity and love.

    Teach Us To Live

    God of love – Forgive! Forgive!
    Teach us how to truly live,
    Ask us not our race or creed,
    Just take us in our hour of need,
    And let us know You love us, too,
    And that we are a part of You …
    And someday may man realize
    That all the earth, the seas and skies
    Belong to God who made us all,
    The rich, the poor, the great, the small,
    And in the Father’s Holy Sight
    No man is yellow, black or white,
    And peace on earth cannot be found
    Until we meet on common ground
    And every man becomes a brother
    Who worships God and loves each other.

  126. jeff1 says:

    “Where No One Stands Alone”

    Once I stood in the night with my head bowed low
    In darkness as black as the sea
    In my heart felt alone and I cried oh Lord
    Don’t hide your face from me.

    Hold my hand all the way every hour every day
    From here to the great unknown
    Take my hand let me stand
    Where no one stands alone.

    Like a king I may live in a palace so fine
    With great riches to call my own
    But I don’t know a thing in this whole wide world
    That’s worse than being alone.

    Hold my hand all the way every hour every day
    From here to the great unknown
    Take my hand let me stand
    Where no one stands alone…

  127. poohpity says:

    street, that paragraph you quoted from Oswald Chambers that started with “If you only heed” sums up in more words what Jesus taught when He said, “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” “It has a dual meaning, first attacking the hypocrisy of those who criticize others while ignoring their own much larger flaws, and since the flaw is in the eye it is a metaphor for how such flaws can blind one” to the reason that Christ died for you.(Matt 7:2-5)

    It seems to come back to all stand on level ground at the foot of the Cross which is summed up in what Viv, wrote in “Teach Us To Live”. How can we live out what Jesus has taught us if we either feel superior to others or less than others? There seems to be no room to hear from the Holy Spirit with a belief that sinfulness has degrees by your sins are worse than mine. How can we ever get anything that Jesus teaches us if we can not meet on that common ground at the foot of the Cross? Pointing our finger at others completely blinds us to our own need.

  128. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh: April 7, 8.19 am
    “Pointing our finger at others completely blinds us to our own need.”

    Pooh, April 1, 12.41

    “However you did not believe what Jesus taught for that instance so why would you believe anything else the scripture teaches. I guess picking and choosing what to believe so that we find comfort even if it is a lie is no way to live by faith, that would be more like depending on human thought and reasoning not coming from the Holy Spirit’s teaching.”

  129. street says:

    i think what oswald chambers was getting at is when we discern the faults in others we are to intercede for them. in effect we are interceding for them and ourselves for we do the same thing.

    as for the foot of the cross, paul made it clear that “I am” crucified with Christ. new live in Christ, the resurrection. a living hope.

    oswald chambers was good today and addressed the issues related to the transfiguration. waiting is not fun but necessary just like love and obedience.

    been thinking of this passage again….

    Make the heart of this people calloused;
    make their ears dull
    and close their eyes.[a]
    Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    hear with their ears,
    understand with their hearts,
    and turn and be healed.”

    11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”

    And he answered:

    “Until the cities lie ruined
    and without inhabitant,
    until the houses are left deserted
    and the fields ruined and ravaged,
    until the Lord has sent everyone far away
    and the land is utterly forsaken.

    thinking now/after, God can begin receiving the Glory and the Love that is His. conformed to His image. we love because He first loved us and given us His Spirit, poured out into our hearts. born again.

    Romans 4:3
    For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

  130. SFDBWV says:

    The quest for answers seems to have been coded into mankind from the very beginning.

    The most difficult and unreachable are the ones that drive us and always leaves us unsatisfied and searching, searching, searching.

    The Bibles gives us some information, but not everything. Only enough is given because that is all we need to know.

    I can remember that the Sadducees did not believe in a life after death by a cute little saying Chuck Missler used to say about them; “They were sad-u see” (They were sad you see).

    In my own quest for answers, my answers, or for the time being what I have come to believe, has come by life experience, observation and “faith”.

    “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Hebrews 11:1 KJV of the Bible.

    Some things are left to faith. This is God’s will for us. Somewhere in the story we have to trust God for what we don’t know and cannot find out.

    My faith in God tells me He does not want to see human beings left in torment forever and ever.
    My faith tells me God is all powerful.
    That no power in heaven or earth can separate us from His love.

    My common sense tells me that people only listen when threatened or punished. That it takes a great deal of maturing before people do right simply because it is right.

    Another busy day, but I wanted to stop in for a moment with a cup of coffee and a little fellowship.


  131. Beloved says:

    I just heard this last night, that Augustine said when we read scripture do we have faith in what we believe, or in what God says. Faith is an interesting topic.

    Steve I personally learned to listen for fear of punishment. When I became a Christian now I listen and react to love. It’s an amazing thing, love poured out through a bloody cross!

  132. Beloved says:

    Just read My Utmost -Do we lack understanding?
    Yep he explains why. It appears it’s a gradual process.

  133. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve, for your thoughts.

    I personally do agree with your line of thought.
    There is faith in God, and trust in His Character.
    You say that you just cannot imagine that God would leave someone forever=without end in torment.

    And especially when a person would repent and ask God for mercy! I add that last bit.

    The message of the parabel of the rich man and Lazarus,
    Luke 16, what was Jesus trying to teach us?
    Was it meant to say something about the life after death?
    Or does it contain a message for us today? And so: what message?
    I really had to laugh about what Jeff said: is there life before death?

    Jesus came to give us life, life abundant. That is a spiritual life.
    The parabel seems to say, that those who have suffered greatly in this world, will be in reverse state in the next. That as a side message, to those who are now not living in great luxury.
    But there is more:
    Jesus had told in a previous parabel, Luke 16:1-13
    that we cannot serve God and mammon, and that Jesus urges us to use money to win souls for His Kingdom.
    The rich man had not done that, he had not used his wealth to help those who were at his doorstep. No welfare went to him. The rich man did not have to go to third world countries, it was about people who came across in his direct vicinity.

    And in the afterlife the situation is reversed:
    Lazarus in great peace and taken care of, the rich man is in torment.

    I did some search in the commentaries, and the description of afterlife is interpreted in many different ways but most of all:
    It is like Steve and Beloved said: the intermediate state before the final judgment.
    It says nothing about what happens after the judgement day.

  134. foreverblessed says:

    I give one commentary:
    Cambridge Bible for schools and colleges
    On Luke 16:23
    [in hell] Rather, in Hades. Hades, which is represented as containing both Paradise and Gehenna, and is merely the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Sheol, ‘the grave,’ is the intermediate condition of the dead between death and the final judgment. The scene on earth is contrasted with the reversed conditions of the other world. The entire scenery and phraseology are Jewish, and are borrowed from those which were current among the Rabbis of Christ’s day. Beyond the awful truth that death brings no necessary forgiveness, and therefore that the retribution must continue beyond the grave, we are not warranted in pressing the details of the imagery which was used as part of the vivid picture. And since the scene is in Hades, we cannot draw from it any safe inferences as to the final condition of the lost. The state of Dives may be, as Tertullian says, a praelibatio sententiae, but it is not as yet the absolute sentence.

  135. foreverblessed says:

    Do we lack understanding?
    Yes, indeed, I enjoyed that too.
    Your view of God matured: from fear of punishment to the cords of love.

    And the fear of punishment having been the drive to do good, is maybe a way for many to start their walk with Jesus.
    I must admit, that was never mine. I obeyed God because I loved Him, and respected Him. If He said so, He must have a good reason to say so, so I better do what He says.
    I did misunderstand what His commands were though.
    This may sound incredible to many, but it was equally a shock to me that I found out that many boys do mischievous things, just for the mischief. I could not understand that mindset.

    Never mind, I was just as lost as all of Adams children. Lost in another way than the mischievous ones.

    Now about threats:
    But Jesus is not a dictator, one who with terrible punishment will keep people on a straight line.
    He draws us with cords of love.

    Maybe it is also a maturing view of God that develops in a christian to see that the final stage of the world, is much more merciful than threats of hell forever.
    But to say such a thing is really so prideful, and like looking down on those who think hell is forever, and no not ever a way out of it, because they think the bible says so, in their immature christian understanding.
    So I dread to say such a thing.

    God shows His Love by giving His Son for our Redemption. He redeems us through the death of His Son.
    But He adopts us in the resurrected life of His Son, Who now sits at His right hand. Giving His Spirit, who had suffered in His body in Gethsemane till on the Cross.

    The message of the Cross, and the Resurrection.
    The new Life in Christ, the old man is dead crucified with Christ, it is a done fact, because the Word of God says so.
    Do I believe that?
    Do I believe that the life I now live is in faith in Christ?
    Christ living in me.
    Do I give Him all the space He can fill?!

  136. foreverblessed says:

    That is what I am now studying, the blood and body of Jesus.
    By the blood we know we have forgiveness.

    That is the understanding we have when we start out as a christian

    And accepting total forgiveness is a path too, deeper and deeper we see its impact in us.
    Forgiveness of sins, each in his own way has gone wrong;
    The older brother and the wayward brother.
    I was more like the older brother, doing all these things I thought God commanded me to do, but I did not have the intimate relationship with Jesus. I tried to work up patience, peace, and love in my own heart, and I tried to control my own mishaps, my depressions, my feeling of down. Not to earn a reward, but because I did not know to live in absolute dependency on Jesus.
    God waited at the side, till I was exhausted, and to my wife end. And I cried for mercy and help, as I felt lost.
    God answered my cry, and talked comfort to my soul:
    Dear lovely child, you are Mine, and I take care of you.

    God forgave me, and now I live in faith in Jesus, looking up to Him, love joy peace, long-suffering, patience, goodness
    All streaming from Him,
    And I give all my sins my worries my hurt to Him.

    Now what about the Body of Christ?
    That’s where I am studying now,
    In the study of Watchmen Nee, the normal christian life.
    And I have written some about it here.
    I heard about it, but it seems more depth to have than I had.
    Increased understanding.

    In the mean time I wrestle to be in rest in Jesus, and pray intercessory prayer to those He puts in my mind.
    And do the chores, worshipping God, but that’s the theory, the practice is harder.

    Thanks to that topic of Mart: the body and the blood, and the vision of Aquinas.
    Thanks Mart.

  137. foreverblessed says:

    It is evening here, 9.30 almost. Dark and come. We had three days of snow, and frost at night. Last week it was spring, 24°C, that is what in F? Lovely temps, but much too warm for March 31, Records they were. That was last week. Then the cold came in.

    But Jesus is Lord, having my eyes on Him, just as Jeff has.
    Good night
    May God bless us all, and our loved ones.
    And the ones we come in contact with.
    May we see them with the eyes of Jesus.

  138. Beloved says:

    Well, i guess there is nothing more i can say here regarding the popular belief in a universal salvation as its been decided I’m immature in my thinking and understanding of scripture. Yet the witness within of the Holy Spirit as i read the Word and not what I “think“ about it tells me differently so I will carefully decide how to proceed here on the matter.

    Not growing up in a Christian family i have no biases or false beliefs to deal with. But much more remnants of sin to deal with. Even though sin has been turned to righteous right standing by the cross and I have peace with God I am still being trained through the sanctification process. Still learning about God and all I have are scripture and Godly teachers. I have all I need. ☦︎︎

  139. Beloved says:

    And Jesus, of course, the author and finisher of my faith who leads guides and directs my spiritual life. ✞

  140. jeff1 says:

    From glory descending,
    Completely depending,
    You trusted Your Father
    And lived to obey.
    In speaking and doing,
    His pleasure pursuing,
    You joyfully listened
    And followed by faith.
    Through weakness came power,
    A strength every hour.
    Though empty, You gave with
    A heart unafraid,
    Secure in the knowing
    And full in the flowing
    Of God in His fullness
    Each moment by faith.

    Lord Jesus, You lead us
    To faith that can free us,
    So trusting and humble,
    We bow and obey.
    In speaking and doing,
    Your pleasure pursuing,
    We joyfully listen
    And follow by faith.
    Through weakness comes power,
    A strength every hour.
    Though empty, we give with
    A heart unafraid,
    Secure in the knowing
    And full in the flowing
    Of Your mighty Spirit
    Each moment by faith

  141. poohpity says:

    Nothing about the place of torment has to do with whether someone is rich or poor but whether they realize they are sinners and are in need of someone to save them which is what Moses and the Prophets taught in scripture about Jesus (Luke 24:27 NLT). They taught there had to be a sacrifice for sin and the person has to turn(repent) to God. So in the passage about the chasm between heaven and the place of torment that is exactly again what Jesus taught when He said;

    Luke 16: for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

    We are taught to always confront false teaching. To call someone immature in their faith now that is finding fault and criticizing not disagreeing over what scripture teaches. The maturity comes in how we respond to those we disagree with, we can be like a immature children who calls names and puts people down or in a mature way present the reason and facts for disagreement without the name calling or put downs.

  142. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, do not worry, you have mainstream religion behind you.
    And did you really read what I did write about maturity?
    Please read it again and then say something about it.

    Steve was saying, let’s have an open discussion, and let me share my thoughts about this subject.
    But what he said is mostly considered as heretical.
    I do not think that it is false teaching.
    And I do think that God allows us to have reservations about certain interpretations. God allows it that we may question Him:

    Dear God, it seems that You will throw people in hell, at the final judgment. That it says for ages and ages. That there flame will not quench.
    I have noticed that there is no word for forever in Greek, that the word means ages and ages.
    Dear God, I know that You are merciful, and loving, and patient, and all the lovely characteristics of a Father who longs to save. Who waits for the wayward son to come back.
    Do you mean my Father, that at Judgment day You are not waiting anymore? That Your Mercy is over?
    Dear Father in heaven, I cannot see You being like that.
    You are always the same. You always love, You always trust You always Hope.
    Dear God, I lay the matter in Your hands.
    Please comfort those who mourn, as You have promised.
    And thank You for Your great Salvation,
    That word about it may spread this world, and touch many in their hearts. Also by the living service of your children.
    Thank You Lord God Almighty.
    In Jezus’ Name I pray

  143. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Lord, the putting down of people on this blog is done to me, from Pooh who said:
    However you did not believe what Jesus taught for that instance so why would you believe anything else the scripture teaches.”
    I have pointed it out to her, two times, but she does not repent.
    I lay it at Your feet,
    Father forgive her because of Jesus.

    Matthew 6:14-15 for if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

  144. SFDBWV says:

    Who Am I in Christ;

    Romans 8:16 A child of God
    Ephesians 2:8 Saved by grace through faith
    Psalms 107:2 Redeemed from the hand of the foe
    1 John 5:11, 12 an heir of eternal life
    Ephesians 1:7 Forgiven
    Romans 8:14 Led by the Spirit of God
    2 Corinthians 5:17 A new creature
    Galatians 3:13 Redeemed from the curse of the law
    Isaiah 46:4 Kept in safety wherever I go
    Ephesians 6:10 Strong in the Lord and His mighty power
    2 Corinthians 5:7 Living by faith and not by sight
    Colossians 1:13 Rescued from the dominion of darkness
    Romans 5:1 Justified
    Romans 8:17 An heir of God and co-heir with Christ
    Ephesians 1:3 Blessed with every spiritual blessing, an overcomer by the blood of the Lamb
    Revelation 12:11 And the Word of my testimony
    Matthew 5:14 The light of the world
    Ephesians 5:1 An imitator off God
    1 Peter 2:24 Healed by His wounds
    Romans 12:2 Being transformed by the renewing of my mind


  145. SFDBWV says:

    I posted “Who Am I in Christ” as a prelude to my next set of questions.
    Who are Christians?
    What is the purpose of Christians after the rapture and when Jesus returns as King of Kings?
    What of the 1/3 population in the world that did not die during the Great Tribulation?
    Are they now all professing followers?
    Where is that said?
    At the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus as King on Earth, when another rebellion comes and there is judgement, what remains after *everything* is made new and all the former things are forgotten?


  146. poohpity says:

    forever, you are missing the whole point again. “GOD DOES NOT WANT THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH” that is why Jesus came. However there will be those WHO DO NOT believe in God but turn the other way that is their choice not what God wants.

    How about as an example inviting someone who you have seen around your town to have a meal and spend some time with you but they refuse because they want nothing to do with you for whatever reason that may be. So people talk about you and say she threw that person out of her house to go hungry. That is what you seem to be saying about how God works.

    Jesus taught many parables about those who make a choice for God and those who do not and here is just one;

    Matt 22: Jesus also told them other parables. He said, 2 “The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son. 3 When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited. But they all refused to come!

    4 “So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ 5 But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. 6 Others seized his messengers and insulted them and killed them.

    7 “The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their town. 8 And he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. 9 Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ 10 So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests.

    11 “But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding. 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. 13 Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

    There is only one way into eternity and that is covered by the blood of the lamb and that is after all the home of God and He is just and right to allow some people in by the gate or the door, all are invited but there will be those who make a choice not to come.

    By the way the place you quoted me that starts with “However” is not a sin against you or anyone else it asks you the question of which scripture you choose to believe and which you don’t.

  147. jeff1 says:

    Steve, since I have no recollection of being taught these verses of scripture saying “Who I am in Christ” I will sit this one out as I am still trying to take in your extensive verses and the implications of them.

    It would seem to me that I have an inheritance that is beyond my literal understanding when I consider Psalm 107:2 Redeemed from the hand of the foe as the reality for me is that too often ‘I am my own worst enemy’.

  148. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, because I miss your point, you have the right to put me down?
    As I do not believe Jesus, as you explain it, why would I believe anything else written in scripture?

  149. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff,
    “I am my own worst enemy”

    We all are, were. And God has given us a solution:
    Our sins are forgiven, because of the Blood.
    But then as we proceed in our walk with Jesus, we see that from our inmost parts, things keep coming up that are terrible.

    We are lost, because of the fall of Adam. Before we were born, we were lost, whether we do our best, or do our worst. We fail to love as God loves.

    Here comes in the Body of Christ!

    Instead of making us strong to be able to overcome our weaknesses, God makes us weaker and weaker. In fact God has ordained that we die. When Jesus died on the Cross, we died with Him.
    How much do I believe the Word of God?
    I have died already, I cannot ask God to let my old man die, I have to accept the fact that I have already died.

    As I can thank God for the forgiveness of my sins, so I can thank God that I have already died.
    My old man is dead.
    Do I know that that is so?
    Do I reckon that that is so?

    In the case of this blog, where someone puts me down, my old man wants retribution, but my old man is dead. It is gone, my new man has risen with Christ, and I live a new life. Do I hold on to a grudge, or let it go? In faith I ask Jesus to give me empathy, patience forbearance. As Jesus has been patient with me, so He can be with anybody else.

    Praise God for the fact that our old man has died!!!

    What comes up are only phantoms, they are soon gone. They have no more power over us.

  150. poohpity says:

    Is pride part of the old person or of the new? Does a new life in Christ ‘demand’ apologies or is that just another example of injured pride?

  151. foreverblessed says:

    Dear dearest Pooh, you yourself say it is better to look at your own faults than pointing towards mine.
    You made a huge fault, I point that out to you, in my deepest concern for you that you will fall under judgment by the Word of Jesus, I have not asked for an apology.
    I am weeping over you.
    Look in your own heart and see what you have done.
    And bring it to God, He is merciful. Always will be.

  152. SFDBWV says:

    Over the years when I came upon a question that the Holy Spirit drove me to find an answer, I found myself rewriting, that is copying verse after verse of Scripture until I reached a point where it just didn’t matter anymore.

    I realized that it was I that the lesson was for and no one else.

    Whereas it seems “safe” to share thoughts with friends and family, sometimes our thoughts should be kept to ourselves if it offends or causes confusion or disruption.

    In such cases we end up alone with our thoughts.

    I don’t want to drift off too far from what it is I am wanting to convey to you. But remember sometime back Mart mentioned a book he had read somewhere back in the past that described God as a tyrant, punishing for disobedience, dividing family and loved ones as a measure of serving Himself only.

    Well, I don’t see God in that light at all.

    Stick with what works for you, don’t let my rambling thoughts cause any of you distress.

    Try reading your Bibles along with prayer and meditation. You may discover that God is not limited by our ability to use words or our understanding of them.

    He speaks into your heart a knowledge that surpasses all understanding and gives you peace.

    Have a nice day.


  153. Beloved says:

    Maybe i misunderstood your comment Forever:
    “Maybe it is also a maturing view of God that develops in a christian to see that the final stage of the world, is much more merciful than threats of hell forever.
    But to say such a thing is really so prideful, and like looking down on those who think hell is forever, and no not ever a way out of it, because they think the bible says so, in their immature christian understanding.“

    I was not referring to your opinion but to the idea of universal salvation. If non conformity to this idea is immature than yes I am immature but the confusion it causes me is not worrh my time. As far as mainstream religion no i do not consider myself Catholic or Lutheran or Methodist etc. No problem what you consider about me as far as “religion“ goes whatsoever. Im not that important to think about actually just letting my friends here know whats going on with me, thats all.

  154. Beloved says:

    I do believe that Satan still tries to tempt us all today. I was thinkibg about the temptation of Jesus and what He said later about the NARROW road.
    Luke 4:1-14 ESV

    And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry. The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.” And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’” And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.” And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’” And he took him to Jerusalem and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here, for it is written, “‘He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,’ and “‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’” And Jesus answered him, “It is said, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’” And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time. And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country.

  155. Beloved says:

    For you, Forever,

    The Hebrew word that is translated many times as “forever, is “owlam.” It can be found in Daniel 12:2. In this case, the English word “everlasting” is used to translate the Hebrew word “owlam”: “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to everlasting contempt.” This prophesied occurrence speaks of a future time when the fate of many humans will be decided on a perpetual and eternal basis.
    Jesus also taught about life that would be endless. In John 6:51, He states: “‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.’” The Greek word “aion” translated as “forever” in this passage is used by John in a similar context as he contrasted that which is temporary to that which is permanent: “And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:17).

  156. Beloved says:

    I have to say thankyou to Mart for hosting this blog.

    When i started here 6-7 years ago I had a very incomplete understanding of God — even fearful and untrusting for various reasons yet Jesus has kept me safe and informed on my lifes’ journey while the blog has helped me understand God better through His Word. Now i have a healthy fear of God and a better respect for Him. Oh Jesus ! Our living Savior, thank You☦︎︎

  157. street says:

    after rereading mart’s post some thoughts.

    With the passing of someone we love, our minds go to questions of what lies beyond the curtain.


    beyond the Judgment? God

    I’m guessing that many of us will also admit that we love God to the extent that we believe he loves us—

    good guess, but i think our love falls short in many ways when compared to God’s love, Christ.

    someday conformed to Christ!

    This, I think, is another reason for recalling that, in the unfolding drama of Holy Week, God makes His love to us through faith, that His Word/Love could be poured into and flow out of our hearts.

    Thankfully, we remember the Resurrected One—who was making atonement for them….

    along with an abundant supply of grace and mercy.

    even the adversity is a gift from the Father to keep His children from growing up brats. the Fathers love is indeed Great and Beautiful…

    i can see why paul needed a thorn. i need one too.

    thinking of job, all the events brought him closer to God on a first Name basis. I have seen Your Face.

    before this job had to call out to God and he repented.

    God was pleased with job. a man of faith.

  158. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Street, that did good to me.
    God’s unsurpassing Love, Grace, Mercy

    Thank you very very much Beloved for having a kind conversation.
    A respectful conversation.
    Yes,the word aion in greek actually means ages.
    Aionas ton aionas Revelation 20:10
    Ages and ages
    That is translated into forever.
    Ages and ages is a very very long time. Forever is without end.

    Look, I know that it seems that the Bible says that hell is burning forever and ever.
    But I have hope that there is a misunderstanding, that it is just a little bit different than the Church and the Church Fathers have stated as a creed: the damned stay in hell forever.

    I have this hope, that it is said in Romans 11:32
    For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.
    Mart has had z topic on this passage a few years ago.

    Hebrews 6:4-6 looks very very grim. It means too that it is possible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age….
    This bible verse says that if they fall away…
    So they can fall away…
    That is the most horrible scripture I know of.
    Is it impossible for them to come back to Jesus?
    It seems to say so.

    I have to give this scripture to Jesus, put it in His hands, and trust Him completely, that He is always Loving, aleays merciful.

    And instead read and reread;
    Hebrews 6:9-12

  159. street says:

    23 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and comply with it all, but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4 And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger.

    John 10:27
    My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

    25 “These things I have spoken to you while remaining with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave you, My peace I give you; not as the world gives, do I give to you.
    Do not let your hearts be troubled, nor fearful.

    11 Now when they bring you before the synagogues and the officials and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”

  160. foreverblessed says:

    9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
    Hebrews 6:9-12

    Better things- things that accompany salvation. in our case

  161. foreverblessed says:

    Isaiah 9:7
    Of the increase of His Government there will be no end.
    No end
    That means endless, that is forever.
    What is forever?
    The increase of His Government.

    The One Who is called:
    Mighty God
    Everlasting Father
    Prince of Peace
    Isa 9:6-7

  162. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Street, signing out I saw your post.
    I will take these verses to heart, 12.52 pm
    It is 20.06 pm overhere.
    Dear Jeff, I pray for your country, and the riots at the border. May God have mercy on them all.
    It seems an unsolvable problem, humanly, but God….
    Let them all see the Light of Jesus in their hearts.

  163. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I have stopped looking for peace in this world and then I won’t be disappointed.

    Christ’s gives an inner peace that I don’t try to understand but just accept His Ways are not ours and I am so thankful for that.

    All glory to God!
    You have brought us this far.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    You’ve blessed every day‒
    What a wonder You are!
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!

    You give us a joy
    In this journey of faith.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    We know You’ll be with us
    The rest of the way.
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!
    Thank You! We thank You, O Lord!

  164. Beloved says:

    I just have to mention this regarding communication styles here. I don’t want to offend anyone.

    A personal confession regarding Pooh’s communication style is she triggers me so bad because she talks the same way my dad did. I’m thinking it’s from being raised in the south (my dad was from Arkansas) where I still have lots of relatives so am used to hearing it on Facebook but never see or actually talk so it’s safer for me that way or I get immediately disregulated and takes me hours to come back to normal.

    But Pooh, it was hearing your voice on the phone that really got to me- so much so I couldn’t talk to you anymore. And I am very sorry.

    I’m very crippled but it’s my thorn thankfully as street mentioned and I know I need a big one!

    I watched a reality show with a young man from the Netherlands and he and his family were very touchy about being disrespected. I don’t know if this is common but it does explain some things here.

    Me, I’m just a stubborn Irish- Indian who likes to think I know as much as the next person! With crutches and a back brace🤣. Psychologically not literally🤣

    Yet we all understand the Grace and mercy of God through Jesus and that friends is the bottom line. Beware majoring on non-essentials if the feelings get hurt. In the essentials there’s unity. I must remember that when things get testy here.
    Ya I’m finished with my random thoughts. Like I said, not trying to offend anyone.

  165. Beloved says:

    WordPress seems to be working now I didn’t have to sign out and in and didn’t get a “not allowed” message that was freaky. 😟

  166. Beloved says:

    Oops spoke too soon…

  167. poohpity says:

    forever, I apologize if you took my question to you as a put down it was not intended to be.

  168. poohpity says:

    Oh Beloved, let it go. It is OK if you do not like me I can live with that. But know that I really love you none the less. ;-)

  169. Beloved says:

    Thank you Pooh I love you and all here😊🎚

  170. jeff1 says:

    From the end of the earth I call to you when my heart is faint. Lead me to the rock that is higher than I, for you have been my refuge. Psalm 61:2-3 ESV

  171. Beloved says:

    God’s Everlasting Love

    31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can bei against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.j 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36As it is written,

    “For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
    we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

    37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  172. foreverblessed says:

    That’s wonderful Pooh!!!

  173. foreverblessed says:

    Nobody can snatch them out of My hands.
    Nothing can separate us from the Love of God.
    How do you connect this to Hebrews 6:4-6?

  174. jeff1 says:

    Lord, forgive me for the times that I forget that you are omniscient and aware of all that is taking place.
    I know you will accomplish your will. Amen

    God says, “I will break the strength of the wicked,
    but I will increase the power of the godly.”
    PSALM 75:10 NLT

  175. poohpity says:

    forever as for your question @3:40 am. Nothing can separate us from God’s love but as the passage in Hebrews seems to explain WE can walk away from God’s love just as Jesus explained in the parable of the four types of soils.

    Matt 13: Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

    Just as Adam and Eve did in the garden. They walked away and hid from God even after enjoying the pleasure of His closeness and Glory but God pursued them as He does with all sinners well unless they want nothing to do with Him so they walk away from Him.

  176. poohpity says:

    I believe though in the Hebrew’s passage during the time it was written some Jews who made the choice to follow Jesus then turned back to Judaism which was what they were freed from, so they turned from Grace back to living under the law instead or rather than. So essentially they were trampling the meaning of the Good News.

  177. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed and any that want to listen in. Mart uses the term “tensions” to describe the verses that contradict each other. It is as good as any term for what seems to be just that, a contradictory statement that opposes each other. And there are plenty of them found in Scripture reading.

    Seeing that for the most part we have been talking of life after death I am reminded of a friend of mine now deceased who would argue without giving an inch that there was no life after death and he used one quote of Bible that said “The dead know nothing” to defend it.

    Of course there are a great deal of verses that give testimony that there is, even from Jesus Himself, but that never changed his mind.

    Chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians dedicates a great deal of its text to discussing life after death and one verse of it has always stuck out in my mind as to praying for those already dead. That being 1Corinthians 15:29 KJV.

    Sometime back quite a few years ago one of Marts subjects was asking if there were a difference between the teaching from Jesus and the teaching of Paul. As much of the NT is written by Paul, but there seems to be some “tensions” between the two.

    The subject of things Paul gave in Scripture is certainly controversial in light of today’s culture especially concerning women. I have to remember sometimes that Paul spoke to Jews who already had their “traditions” or “laws” and sometimes it seemed his use of words dealt with that as much as anything.

    It occurs to me that Israel as a nation had it all at the beginning. God was with them. They tasted His provision, His protection, His Holy Spirit dwelt among them, yet over and over they questioned and abandoned Him.

    Yet from the beginning before the foundation of the world God had a plan in mind for the salvation of man.

    To make it simple for me, I think God has made a way.


  178. Beloved says:

    The question of Hebrews 6 seems to engage the “will” of man which never changes even after conversion, I know because I can still sin or I can choose not to sin. This just occurred to me but I could be wrong.

    Read your post Steve, hoping today is a lot easier than yesterday.

  179. Beloved says:

    I heard someone say last night that a person who didn’t believe in the atonement for sin would absolutely hate being in heaven. That’s something to think about. I think it was Whitfield maybe, or Sproul.

  180. Beloved says:

    Viv I read about the violence in Belfast- praying Jesus will bring revival to Ireland as He has in places like Scotland in the past. Psalms is where God always leads me to read when I’m worried fearful or struggling in general. Brilliant writers of Gods thoughts about the relationship between us and Him. God will tell you where to go in them. So glad you are holding fast to God.

  181. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, difficult times again for many but I am more focused on God and finding peace.

    Just to say Prince Phillip has died at the age of 99, I share a birthday with him as he would have been 100 on the 10th June.

    Thinking it is a time for Prince Harry to build bridges with his family as I am sure he will want to.

  182. Beloved says:

    A favorite modern hymn from writers in Ireland

    He Will Hold Me Fast
    Song by Keith Getty

    When I fear my faith will fail, Christ will hold me fast;
    When the tempter would prevail, He will hold me fast.
    I could never keep my hold through life’s fearful path;
    For my love is often cold; He must hold me fast.
    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast.
    Those He saves are His delight, Christ will hold me fast;
    Precious in his holy sight, He will hold me fast.
    He’ll not let my soul be lost; His promises shall last;
    Bought by Him at such a cost, He will hold me fast.
    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast.
    For my life He bled and died, Christ will hold me fast;
    Justice has been satisfied; He will hold me fast.
    Raised with Him to endless life, He will hold me fast
    ‘Till our faith is turned to sight, When He comes at last!
    He will hold me fast, He will hold me fast;
    For my Saviour loves me so, He will hold me fast

  183. Beloved says:

    Christian hope means that I stop betting my life and happiness on human agency and rest in him.
    Timothy Keller

  184. poohpity says:

    For those who actually have put time into reading scripture one will find that Paul says that some of what he was saying was his opinion and not given to him from God. Examples 1 Cor 7:12, 25; 2 Cor 11:17

  185. poohpity says:

    Often there are differences in people’s observations of what is happening just like when people see a car accident from different view points they have differing stories, well that seems to happen in the bible as well which shows that no one is trying to mislead anyone but it is the honest admissions of how they witnessed what was happening. However people who want to put doubt in people’s minds about scripture’s authority or reliability so they make excuses to not read it often say things like the bible contradicts itself or has errors, it is just not real things happening, it does not apply to the times today, etc..

  186. jeff1 says:

    I’ve had many tears and sorrows,
    I’ve had questions for tomorrow,
    there’s been times I didn’t know right from wrong.
    But in every situation,
    God gave me blessed consolation,
    that my trials come to only make me strong.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I’ve been to lots of places,
    I’ve seen a lot of faces,
    there’s been times I felt so all alone.
    But in my lonely hours,
    yes, those precious lonely hours,
    Jesus lets me know that I was His own

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to trust in Jesus,
    I’ve learned to trust in God.

    Through it all,
    through it all,
    I’ve learned to depend upon His Word.

    I thank God for the mountains,
    and I thank Him for the valleys,
    I thank Him for the storms He brought me through.
    For if I’d never had a problem,
    I wouldn’t know God could solve them,
    I’d never know what faith in God could do.

  187. Beloved says:

    No, not everything Paul wrote was direct revelation as was the OT prophetic writings because they were not teachers and Paul was a teacher and apostle set apart for the gospel of God.

  188. Beloved says:

    Romans 1:1-2

    If anyone wants to read about Pauls conversation it’s in Acts26 where he tells his captor the King.

  189. Beloved says:

    I am so sorry for judging you because of your past. I still judge myself unfortunately. Perhaps others struggle with this. In our world it is so easy to label and condemn just as it was in the ancient world. I know you have a better handle on grace than I do but perhaps it’s because my “training” started in the cradle. Still in the world, but not of it.
    Again, please forgive me.
    Love in Christ, Joyce

  190. jeff1 says:

    God this situation is really difficult, but I am thankful that you have a good purpose in it and that you collect all of my tears. Help me to trust you even more. Amen.

    Then we were filled with laughter, and we sang happy songs….
    The Lord has done great things for us, and we are very glad.

    PSALM 126:2-3NCV

  191. Beloved says:

    Yes tears…. tears of sorrow for causing pain and tears of gratitude that Jesus never changes. I was born a sinner as all are. So thankful. Joy comes in the morning.

  192. street says:

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For just as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ. 6 But if we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; or if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which is effective in the patient enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer; 7 and our hope for you is firmly grounded, knowing that as you are partners in our sufferings, so also you are in our comfort.

  193. jeff1 says:

    [Verse 1]
    Life is easy, when you’re up on the mountain
    And you’ve got peace of mind, like you’ve never known
    But when things change and you’re down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for you’re never alone

    And the God on the mountain is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day is still God in the night

    [Verse 2]
    We talk of faith when we’re up on the mountain
    But talk comes so easy when life’s at its best
    But in the valley of trials and temptations
    That’s when faith is really put to the test

    And the God on the mountain is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  194. SFDBWV says:

    “Why does Christianity have such a difficult time being accepted in such a spiritual and religious country?”

    Billy graham to Mahatma Gandhi.

    “Because of Christians.”


    A long time back having said that would have immediately gotten me a scathing rebuke from one among us who left long ago.

    The language of the NT deals with the difference between earthly thinking and Godly thinking all the time.

    Jesus not only gave us clear instruction, but also provided a living example of Godly action verses the natural human one.

    Most of you folks here left a church or group at some point in you Christian walk for one reason or another. But the basic reason was because they didn’t think like you or you didn’t think like they.

    One of the basic human conditions are that we like to think we are right about everything and challenge any who don’t.

    Would you say that Jesus exemplified the attitude of not striking back at someone who offended you and in fact not only forgave such people, but commanded His followers to love them?

    Why then would He then send people into eternal punishment who offend Him with no chance of ever being forgiven?

    Seeing beyond the curtain may give us a glimpse of an existence far above our prejudices and preconceived ideas.

    Those who nailed Him to the cross could and would only see with eyes fixed upon the world and not beyond it.

    Imagine what we will learn when once we too are there.

    “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

    I don’t insist any of you agree with me, nor do I condemn you for what you think. Please just show me the same consideration in the things you say or insinuate towards me.

    45 degrees f and foggy.


  195. poohpity says:

    Didn’t Jesus die for the salvation of the world past, present and future?(John 3:15-17) So in essence He gave everyone the chance to be forgiven just some do not want the forgiveness that was offered to them, so is it the fault of God then or the people who refuse His gift?

    I for one believe in God’s word because I want to follow the truth so I do not listen to preconceived and prejudiced ideas that people throw out there that are not in line with the truth (Jesus said, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”) found in God’s word. Yes everyone can believe in what they want to believe but wouldn’t everyone rather know the truth? (Col 2:8-9 NLT )

  196. poohpity says:

    No one will ever get “Beyond the Curtain” without the sacrifice of Jesus. “Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.”

  197. jeff1 says:

    As someone who inherited my faith I have always believed in the existence of God but as a young person decided I could not keep the ten commandments so I wouldn’t go there it was for those much more disciplined then I was or wanted to be.

    Our Province was very denominational and I found that to be very confusing as often in public those denominations would challenge each others interpretations of the Bible and I wondered how they came to so many different conclusions.

    My belief in God was enough for me and my dad’s insistence that I should be doing God’s will meant that I thought if I was thoughtful and kind to others then they would be the same to me hence the foolishness of my youth.

    I was fifteen years of age when all hell broke loose in our Province shootings, bombs, riots and words of venom would change my perspective that being thoughtful and kind to others would reciprocate the same kind of response.

    I would soon learn that life here was much more complex than I could ever imagine.

    I got caught up in the heightened tensions that would spiral into a tit for tat response to violence believing that the loyalists whose side I was on was justified in responding to the violence of the paramilitaries’ on the opposing side and because I had preconceived beliefs that God was on our side I was oblivious to the sinfulness of my own state.

    I wasn’t listening to the right thinking people like those like my dad who knew the sinfulness of our thinking and our behavior as I was focused on a political and religious teacher who was saying all I wanted to hear i.e. reminding us of our history and offences against us and our need to stand firm against the evil in our midst.

    It wasn’t until this political and religious leader showed his true colors that I would realize how he used my youth and many like me (some going to jail or death) to advance his cause and when he reached his goal he would leave us high and dry as we had served our purpose in helping him achieve his aims.

    I felt betrayed, shattered, foolish and all the time my dad never said ‘I told you so’. His example was to tell me to focus on Christ rather than getting embroiled in the things of this world as He had suffered for us all and when I would keep my focus on Him I would not get distracted by temptations and fall into sin.

    The awareness of how easily I had fallen into sin shocked me as I had not thought of myself in this light.

    Let God show compassion on whoever He may is my thinking and always will be because I know how easy it is to blind myself to my own sins.

    He came down to my level
    When I couldn’t get up to His
    With a strong arm He lifted me up
    To show me what livin’ is

    He’ll come down to your level
    If you’ll open up the door
    He wants to make your life worth livin’
    That’s what He came down for

    Sometimes I make decisions
    That later I regret
    But the Lord keeps on assuring me
    He’s not finished with me yet

    I don’t worry about tomorrow
    I don’t worry about yesterday
    I don’t worry about this crazy world
    ‘Cause I found a better way

    He came down to my level
    When I couldn’t get up to His
    With a strong arm He lifted me up
    To show me what livin’ is

    He’ll come down to your level
    If you’ll open up the door
    He wants to make your life worth livin’
    That’s what He came down for

    He came down to my level
    When I couldn’t get up to His
    With a strong arm He lifted me up
    To show me what livin’ is

    He’ll come down to your level
    If you’ll open up the door
    He wants to make your life worth livin’
    That’s what He came down for

    He came down to my level
    When I couldn’t get up to His
    With a strong arm He lifted me up
    To show me what livin’ is

    He’ll come down to your level
    If you’ll open up the door
    He wants to make your life worth livin’
    That’s what He came down for

    He wants to make your life worth livin’
    That’s what He came down for
    That’s what He came down for

  198. poohpity says:

    Gandhi–“I like your Christ, but not your Christianity.” In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. … Holmes said, “I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who “profess” faith pretend to see.” That says to me that those he talked about were the kind that did not walk what they talked about and in that I agree but I do not let those determine what I believe, I do not look at the Christians who live in word only but no actions but rather I look to Christ and His words. There are no perfect Christians and there never will be so in judging them I judge myself because I am one of those imperfect Christians.

  199. street says:

    perfect christian.

    what God saves is saved what He makes Holy is Holy. what He forgives is forgiven what He has made alive is alive.

    chambers speaks of being crucified with Christ the slow painful process of dying. even in the dying there is no new life without a new Spirit. new birth.

    alive to God. not to self.

  200. street says:

    Would you say that Jesus exemplified the attitude of not striking back at someone who offended you and in fact not only forgave such people, but commanded His followers to love them?

    Why then would He then send people into eternal punishment who offend Him with no chance of ever being forgiven?

    John 5:30
    “I can do nothing on My own. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of Him who sent Me.

    John 7:51
    “Our Law does not judge the person unless it first hears from him and knows what he is doing, does it?”

    John 8:26
    I have many things to say and to judge regarding you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I say to the world.”

    John 12:47
    If anyone hears My teachings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

    the Lamb speaks better than the blood of abel.

    thinking of the LORD’S return.

    17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires, take the water of life without cost.

    18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

    20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

  201. jeff1 says:

    God, please forgive me when I have a bad attitude.
    Thank you so much for providing, for me. I don’t know what I would do without your wonderful grace! Amen.

  202. Beloved says:

    John 12:47 — King James Version (KJV 1900)

    47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    I’ve never seen this like I’m seeing it today.

  203. foreverblessed says:

    “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
    1 Peter 2:24

    That is the Truth.
    Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life.

    He took on human flesh and became one of us.
    On the Cross He carried all humanity, we are on Him.
    Through His body, the curtain, we can come to God.
    Faith in Jesus is the connection to Him.

    It needs the Revelation of God to show who Jesus is in a man’s heart. As the Cross is foolishness to men
    That is why we pray intercessory prayer. And in the mean time show love, it is love that makes the ground soft, do that the seed of the Gospel can be accepted. Don’t sow the seed on hard ground, first work the ground.

  204. poohpity says:

    So is it the work of people to soften the hearts of others or is that the work of God? When we pray intercessory prayers are we praying for our will to be done in a person’s life or are we praying for God’s will to happen in their life? Both areas it seems to get confusing in trusting God or trusting ourselves to do the work that only God has the ability to do and being able to separate the two.

    Sometimes people often get in the habit of telling God what He needs to do from their very limited and often biased blurred vision of a person and then the audacity of thinking they know someone’s heart, so often fall into false accusations and assumptive roles. In other words playing god rather than serving God and others.

  205. foreverblessed says:

    I am so thankful for Who Jesus is, so above all that we can Imagine. The Great Shepherd of our souls, the Comforter, the One Who redeemed us by His Blood, and Who lives in us through faith.
    His will has become our will.
    And He made us participants in the ministry of reconciliation.
    He is the Head, Who thought it right to be connected to the Body.
    The Body of believers, He the head, we attached to Him.
    Made One in Him.
    But that is only for those who have realized that their old man has been crucified in Christ.
    Reckon it so that your old man has been crucified with Christ. It is dead, because the Word of God said so.
    We live now on faith in Christ, what we want is what Jesus wants. His will is our will.

  206. jeff1 says:

    I have always understood intercessory prayer to mean I am praying on behalf of another’s good and I don’t see what is confusing about that.

    In faith I trust God’s hand in bringing about His will.

    As for other peoples bad habits I am sure God is more than able to respond to them as He sees fits as there is nothing like a rebuke from God to make one think again.

  207. SFDBWV says:

    It started with a light drizzle yesterday evening at 7:14 pm then continued to rain all night until around 5 am.

    It cleared off and the stars were clearly visible until a dense fog set in until the sun burned it off somewhere between sunrise and 8.

    I decided to go to the spring and get water after 8:30 and it began raining again.

    “April showers bring May flowers.”

    I stopped along the way to the spring this morning and spoke with a friend of mine. He had lost his wife last year after her suffering from dementia for several years. He took care of her right up to the end. They had no children and so his loss was certainly extra painful.

    He and I were up at the cemetery last week while I was doing some work there talking about things and he remarked to me that he prays every day for me and my family.

    I thanked him and agreed with him that “prayer” works.

    I have come to understand that when we pray for others it is good for them and for us as well. It places us in the presence of God not for ourselves but rather for someone else.

    I am sure God likes that.

    Matt had one of those days yesterday that was very good, but then turned very bad, and then ended better.

    This is life in our home and I am sure in most of yours as well.

    We are pulled from one extreme to the other, like home made taffy, stretched and pulled, stretched and pulled until the texture is just right and ready to be cooled.

    To be eaten (used) at a later time.

    You may have heard the saying, “Dance like no one is watching, sing like are alone.” Something like that.

    I say pray like your prayers will be answered, expect your prayers for others to be accomplished as well as for yourself and don’t give up hope, even when it seems hopeless.

    52 degrees and yes still a light drizzle falling.


  208. poohpity says:

    What I was saying about intercessory prayer is more in tune with what Jesus taught when He said, “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.”

    So praying as an intercessor for someone for the Lord to change them because of what we see as their faults differing from asking the Lord to change the way I see them and knowing that it is because of my own faults that spurs me judge or criticize them because I am looking at them from my point of view rather than from Gods’.

  209. jeff1 says:

    1 For the beauty of the earth,
    for the glory of the skies,
    for the love which from our birth
    over and around us lies,

    Christ our God, to thee we raise…
    this our sacrifice of praise.

    2 For the wonder of each hour…
    of the day and of the night,
    hill and vale, and tree and flower,
    sun and moon, an stars of light,

    3 For the joy of ear an eye,
    for the heart and mind’s delight,
    for the mystic harmony
    linking sense to sound and sight,

    4 For the joy of human love,
    brother, sister, parent, child,
    friends on earth, and friends above,
    pleasures pure and undefiled,

    5 For each perfect gift of thine
    to the world so freely given,
    graces human and divine,
    flowers of earth and buds of heaven,

    6 For thy Church for evermore…
    lifting holy hands above,
    offering up on every shore
    her pure sacrifice of love,

  210. poohpity says:

    An example of intercessory prayer from Paul; “I pray that your love will overflow more and more, and that you will keep on growing in knowledge and understanding. 10 For I want you to understand what really matters, so that you may live pure and blameless lives until the day of Christ’s return. 11 May you always be filled with the fruit of your salvation—the righteous character produced in your life by Jesus Christ—for this will bring much glory and praise to God.” Phil 1

  211. poohpity says:

    There’s revival, and it’s spreading
    Like a wildfire in my heart
    Sunday morning, Hallelujah
    And it’s lasting all week long
    Can you hear it?
    Can you feel it?
    It’s the rhythm of a gospel song
    Oh once you choose it, you can lose it
    There ain’t nothing there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy
    I got an Old Church Choir singing in my soul
    I got a sweet salvation and it’s beautiful
    I’ve got a heart overflowing ’cause I’ve been restored
    There ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy
    No there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy

    When the valleys, that I wander
    Turn to mountains that I can’t climb
    Oh, you are with me, never leave me
    Oh ’cause there ain’t nothing there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy

    I got an Old Church Choir singing in my soul
    I got a sweet salvation and it’s beautiful
    I’ve got a heart overflowing ’cause I’ve been restored
    There ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy
    No there ain’t nothing gonna steel my joy

    Clap your hands and stomp your feet
    ‘Til you find that gospel beat
    ‘Cause it’s all you’ll ever need
    All you’ll ever need
    Clap your hands and stomp your feet
    ‘Til you find that gospel beat
    ‘Cause it’s all you’ll ever need
    All you’ll ever need

    I’ve got an old church choir, singing in my soul
    I got a sweet salvation, and it’s beautiful

    I got an Old Church Choir singing in my soul
    I got a sweet salvation and it’s beautiful
    I’ve got a heart overflowing ’cause I’ve been restored
    There ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy
    No there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy
    Oh there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy

  212. foreverblessed says:

    The setting that I had this morning, 3.06 am,
    was this one:

    “It needs the Revelation of God to show who Jesus is in a man’s heart. As the Cross is foolishness to men
    That is why we pray intercessory prayer.”

    To many around me, my family and friends, to talk about Jesus and the Cross is impossible. They take offense at the Cross. It is a bloody story, and a cruel God Who desires the death of His Son to forgive us.

    In that sense I wrote about intercessory prayer.
    And then I remembered an impressive sermon I heard once:
    That is is by the Revelation of God through the Holy Spirit that we see Who Jesus is.

    Matthew 16:16-17
    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of John, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by My Father in heaven.

    So to accuse someone of finding fault in others in this setting, I find quite a downer. A putting down of a very good intent:
    Tonpray intercessory prayer that my family, and friends may have that divine revelation from God the Father, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    That is my heartfelt prayer, and I am convinced that is the will of the Father, to pray this.

    And I am still wondering, who has prayed for me, my great grandmother, from heaven? Or my old neighbour, from my childhood, a very loving christian woman who lived nextdoor, and who we called aunt Eve.
    I am thankful that they did.

    In the mean time I show them, my family and friends, and all J meet, God’s love, to soften the ground of their hearts.
    And I can grow in that hugely. So you may pray intercessory prayer for me. LOL

  213. Beloved says:

    John 12:47) — King James Version (KJV 1900)

    47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    What struck me about this is that praying or speaking Gods truth to those who are enemies of Jesus is useless; we are not to judge outsiders who are not judged by Him. They first need prayer for salvation. Once saved they will gladly hear whatever will draw them closer to God. They will accept correction and rebuke with thanksgiving to God.

  214. Beloved says:

    Forever I just read your thoughts after I wrote. We seem to have the same idea. Just this morning a friend told me a Christian lady moved into my old apartment and said she was praying for a friend and that she was the answer to her prayer. My friend said well, just don’t talk to me about God. I smiled because I know how resistant she is but who knows, maybe this new lady’s prayers will help too!! Oh God is so good 😊✝️

  215. Beloved says:

    Sometime showing people Gods love hardens also😟

  216. jeff1 says:

    Where love and loving-kindness dwell,
    there God will ever be:
    one Father, Son, and Spirit, bound
    in perfect charity.

    Brought here together into one
    by Christ our shepherd-king,
    now let us in his love rejoice,
    and of his goodness sing.

    Here too let God, the living God,
    both loved and honored be;
    and let us each the other love
    with true sincerity.

    Brought here together by Christ’s love,
    let no ill-will divide,
    nor quarrels break the unity
    of those for whom he died.

    Let envy, jealousy and strife
    and all contention cease,
    for in our midst serves Christ the Lord,
    our sacrament of peace.

    Together may we with the saints
    your face in glory view,
    and ever in your kingdom feast,
    O Christ our God, with you.

  217. poohpity says:

    forever, I have no idea what you pray at home only the public intercessory prayers you have on here. For instance accusing someone of being ruled by the devil, or being immature spiritually, or other such innuendos and put downs as to what their relationship is with the Lord, etc. that you pray, in print on here, in public it seems to ask the Lord to CHANGE THEM but nothing about changing the way you see the person.

  218. street says:

    “So that You are justified in Your words,
    And prevail when You are judged.”

    19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are [k]under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works [l]of the Law [m]none of mankind will be justified in His sight; for [n]through the Law comes [o]knowledge of sin.

    26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

    Romans 3:3
    For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

  219. Beloved says:

    I’ve never seen or heard or read in scripture to pray to see people differently?

  220. street says:

    Jesus is the Light of the world. He reveals what is there. by walking by His light we avoid stumbling blocks and sin by His Grace and Mercy. we ask and pray not to be lead into temptation but to be delivered from evil.

    walking in Spirit and Truth, thy Word is Truth and thy Spirit is Holy, by faith.

    washed by the Word

    cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb.

    receiving the Holy Spirit, new life in Christ.

    transformed by the renewing of the mind. our hearts resting in Christ Jesus.

    interceding by in though Spirit and Truth.

    thinking of paul interceding, Spirit Soul and Body.

    all in.

    watching and waiting for Jesus.

    Romans 3:3
    For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

  221. street says:

    And I am still wondering, who has prayed for me, my great grandmother, from heaven? Or my old neighbour, from my childhood, a very loving christian woman who lived nextdoor, and who we called aunt Eve.
    I am thankful that they did.

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before [a]Him. In love 5 [b]He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

    love is a participatory

  222. foreverblessed says:

    Dear God, three years ago I wrote here that Pooh listened to lies about me, when she had written that there was nothing but hatred in my heart towards her, that she had a right to judge my heart, that is was called: ” special discernment”.

    Pooh is still hurt about the fact that I had said she listened to the father of lies.
    That is where the breach was made.
    You could say: Pooh and I are equal in hurting each other. It is a truce.

    Pooh could say: I am sorry for having judged your heart, like she did about Steve. That was the first time I was shocked about Pooh. But she doesn’t.
    I would not have said that she listened to lies, if she would not have judged my heart.

    She only sees that I said that she listens to lies, and forgets about her own sin.

    I lay it all in Your hands, You are the One who makes us holy. You are the One who sanctifies us.
    You sanctify me, and You sanctify Pooh.
    I am thankful for that.
    You died in the Cross for me, You carried Pooh in Your bossom too.

  223. foreverblessed says:

    Let me share you what happened when Pooh had said that I had hatred in my heart.
    I was shocked, and prayed to God
    Look what she says about my heart.
    And then God asked me, is that really what you are concerned about?
    And I looked deeper in my heart: what was it that shocked me. Is it really that terrible what someone says about my heart? No it is not, because it only matters what God says about my heart.

    Then God asked: look deeper.
    Then I looked deeper, the shock was the fact that she had judged. It was not about me, but the concern about a fellow sister who thinks she has the right to judge.
    Look deeper, God asked.
    Yes, a deep concern welled up: concern for the welfare of her soul.
    And then God said, see, that is hoe I look. Pray for her with deep love in your heart.

    And that is how God has shown me. How He looked in my heart.
    And how He guided me.

    That it is the mind of Christ that is formed in us.
    The kind of Christ, how does Christ look at my fellow sister.

  224. foreverblessed says:

    Let the mind of Christ be formed in you.
    Phil 2:5

    Let me say this, I have learned a lot by the adversity.

    And always, always, listen to what Jesus says about me, someone says something, and I should go to Jesus first: is that the truth, is that what you are saying about me?
    And sit still and listen to His answer.
    But in this I fail, I am upset already, and I am not in a state of perfect peace, I had failed inhad going to Jesus first. So there is my sin. May God forgive me. And I need sanctification. The Holy Spirit guides me.
    But do He does with the one who is my adversery. He dearly loves them too.

  225. foreverblessed says:

    Then there is this one point: that I am sorry that I did write that Pooh listened to lies about me. I have hurt Pooh very very much by this. And I am sorry for that. I should have taken my thoughts to Jesus, and have it checked with Him first. And let Jesus deal with her in His time, to show her what He thinks about making judgments on what is in a personal heart, about me, about Steve, about anyone.

    And Mart keeps writing about the love of God.
    And having patience with one another.

  226. foreverblessed says:

    Now I was thinking about what Street had shared:
    A meditation of Oswald Chambers, which date was that?
    That when God showd us something about out fellow men, it is not ours yo judge, but to pray intercessory prayer.
    When I saw what Pooh wrote about me, I was wrong in sharing my conclusion here on this blog. I should have prayed intercessory prayer.

    Pooh I am very very sorry for having thought that you listen to the father of lies! And not having brought that first to Jesus.
    I was hurt very much by your judgement.

    But God has shown me what to do. And I still am learning to deal with it. To follow God’s guiding.

  227. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed you are a tenderhearted loving person and it because I feel you need some comfort and encouragement I write to you now.

    In my opinion you owe pooh no apology at all. She owes everyone here an apology especially Mart for her un-Christian like behavior towards us all.

    I quit saying anything about her behavior because it is obvious she thrives on being the center of attention no matter how it comes.

    I turned this matter over to God and I leave it there on the altar.

    Nothing you or any of us can say to her will change her, only God can.

    I rarely if nearly never read anything she writes as I already know the spirit behind it.

    Please Foreveblessed do not beat yourself up for simply stating the truth.

    Put her on the altar of God and leave the matter to Him.

    People here enable her by continuously arguing with her or worse encouraging her.

    Move on, I have.


  228. jeff1 says:

    On intercessory prayer, I recall when my son’s life was spiraling out of control so much so that his father (we are separated) said I should put him out of the house.

    I was horrified at such a suggestion and instead decided because I was in too much despair to pray myself to asked my friends to pray for him.

    Don’t anyone tell me that intercessory prayer does not work for it turned my son’s life around yet having fallen away from the faith he is totally unaware of the miraculous hand of God in his life.

    I also recall my friend Ruth (now deceased she was in her 90’s when I knew her) telling me of when her daughter was a child of 6 and they were at the airport. A nun was standing near and her daughter without any hesitation ran to her and instantly she ran after her daughter and apologized to the nun for the child’s intrusion and the nun replied “I needed to make a phone call and I discovered I have no change and I prayed to God about it and the next moment there was your daughter handing me sixpence”.

    Forever, I agree with Steve for I have allowed Pooh to disturb my peace by twisting my words to say something I had never intended them too and the fact that English was one of my worst subjects I then question if I have in some way used words that would lead her to interpretate them differently.

    There are very few upsides to growing older but I have to say that one of them for me is that I have learned whom not to listen to because as my friend is forever telling me I am way too gullible which I have found not to be a good thing when it comes to listening to the wrong people.

    So many need Your touch today.
    Lord, bless them with Your best.
    Our families here and far away –
    Lord, bless them with Your best.
    Friends and neighbors, wayward children,
    Lost and lonely, burdened down.
    Father God, each one is precious.
    Bless them with Your best.

    We care but don’t know how to pray.
    Lord, bless them with Your best.
    Reach out to them through us today.
    Lord, bless them with Your best.
    Love has lifted us from darkness.
    Love can bring the help they need.
    We Your Body stand here ready.
    Bless them with Your best.

  229. jeff1 says:

    I found this among the hymns though to me more a prayer but I think it is beautiful and hope you to do.

    That includes you Pooh as your interpretation of what I write is of no consequence as I have never been good with words and my English teacher laughed in front of the whole classroom when I achieved a pass in an exam which was not even equivalent to a GCSE here. I have learned to live with my failings.

    For you I pray God’s peace–
    That deep and constant rest
    That knows that He is always working for our best.
    Receive His peace.

    For you I pray God’s joy–
    The music of a faith
    That finds delight in serving Him and sings His praise.
    Receive His joy.

    May His grace
    And His love
    And His Spirit be within you.

  230. poohpity says:

    I find it so amazing that the very things you all accuse me of are the very things you do yourselves towards me but that is what God has said happens.

    I also believe intercessory prayer works that is why I stay on our prayer team at church and pray everyday for people in the quiet of my prayer chair. And yes Forever you can be sure I pray for you too as I do for everyone else on this blog as always.

    In Matt 6 Jesus taught about prayer; “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.”

  231. poohpity says:

    Romans 2:1

  232. poohpity says:

    I know it is not my business but I do wonder how many have actually passed “Beyond the Curtain”?

  233. jeff1 says:

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds, but I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him

    In this world of fear and doubt on my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then he tells me in my prayer, it’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds, but I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him (only to him)

  234. poohpity says:

    Steve, if it is true that you do not read anything I write then what is causing the harsh reaction when I disagree with some of the things you write?

  235. jeff1 says:

    O Lord of every shining constellation
    that wheels in splendor through the midnight sky:
    grant us your Spirit’s true illumination
    to read the secrets of your work on high,

    2 You, Lord, have made the atom’s hidden forces;
    your laws its mighty energies fulfil:
    teach us, to whom you give such rich resources,
    in all we use, to serve your holy will.

    3 O Life, awaking life in cell and tissue;
    from flower to bird, from beast to brain of man:
    help us to trace, from birth to final issue,
    the sure unfolding of your ageless plan.

    4 You, Lord, have stamped your image on your creatures
    and, though they mar that image, love them still:
    life up our eyes to Christ, that in his features
    we may discern the beauty of your will.

    5 Great Lord of nature, shaping and renewing,
    you made us more than nature’s progeny;
    you help us tread, with grace our souls enduring,
    the road to life and immortality.

  236. Beloved says:

    Reading OC today I loved this reminder

    We are only what we are in the dark; all the rest is reputation. What God looks at is what we are in the dark—the imaginations of our minds; the thoughts of our heart; the habits of our bodies; these are the things that mark us in God’s sight. The Love of God—The Ministry of the Unnoticed, 669 L

  237. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, I sm very sorry that I judged you that you listened to the lies of the devil.
    I am very sorry. I should not have done that.

  238. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, thank you for your concern, but I was really wrong in judging Pooh. So I apologize for that.
    I could only have said that she did judge my heart. I did warn her about that, so that is of my back.

  239. Beloved says:

    The Joyful Return
    17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.”
    18So He told them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19Behold, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will harm you. 20Nevertheless, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

    It’s easy to forget the main point of the gospel message until faced with a loss of epic proportions in our lives, or even a minor scuffle that niggles at us. Jesus reminds us what’s

  240. street says:

    We are only what we are in the dark;

    24 The earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains,
    The world, and those who live in it.
    2 For He has founded it upon the seas
    And established it upon the rivers.
    3 Who may ascend onto the hill of the Lord?
    And who may stand in His holy place?
    4 One who has clean hands and a pure heart,
    Who has not lifted up his soul to deceit
    And has not sworn deceitfully.
    5 He will receive a blessing from the Lord
    And [b]righteousness from the God of his salvation.
    6 [c]This is the generation of those who seek Him,
    Who seek Your face—even Jacob. Selah

    7 Lift up your heads, you gates,
    And be lifted up, you [d]ancient doors,
    That the King of glory may come in!
    8 Who is the King of glory?
    The Lord strong and mighty,
    The Lord mighty in battle.
    9 Lift up your heads, you gates,
    And lift them up, you [e]ancient doors,
    That the King of glory may come in!
    10 Who is this King of glory?
    The Lord of armies,
    He is the King of glory.


    6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross.

    I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

    Living hope, Living sacrifice.

  241. jeff1 says:

    Christ is alive! Let Christians sing.
    The cross stands empty to the sky.
    Let streets and homes with praises ring.
    Love drowned in death, shall never die.

    Christ is alive! No longer bound
    to distant years in Palestine,
    but saving, healing, here and now,
    and touching every place and time.

    In every insult, rift and war,
    where colour, scorn, or wealth divide,
    Christ suffers still, yet loves the more,
    and lives, where even hope has died.

    Women and men, in age and youth,
    can feel the Spirit, hear the call,
    and find the way, the life, the truth,
    revealed in Jesus, freed for all.

    Christ is alive, and comes to bring
    good news to this and every age,
    till earth and sky and ocean ring
    with joy, with justice, love and praise.

  242. SFDBWV says:

    The Bible tells us that when one of us falls away from Christ like behavior we are to gently tell them of their error and urge them to repent.

    How does anyone do that unless they see the error of the person they are trying to help?

    Jesus tells us to take the message of the Gospel everywhere, but where it is rejected to wipe the dust from our feet and leave.

    How is it possible to do that unless we recognize rejection?

    Are we guilty of judging another because we have the ability to see and know right from wrong?

    No we are not guilty of anything except having enough good sense to see things for what they are.

    The guilty party though is guilty of twisting the truth in an attempt to make you feel guilty and so deflect or place blame in any direction except on them. A ploy lawyers use all the time in order to distract attention away from their client.

    A rose by any other name is still a rose and a skunk still stinks no matter how much you pretend it don’t.

    I have prayed all morning about what to say here if anything at all regarding yesterday’s comments by me in an attempt to comfort Foreverblessed.

    I will say this, the matter is Foreverblessed’s I will be here if she needs me, otherwise I will not interfere or interject my thoughts unless ask of.


  243. poohpity says:

    Steve, do you really believe that telling others the faults we think we see in them is sharing the Gospel? You also talked about, although inaccurately or twisted, what was taught about when you said, “The Bible tells us that when one of us falls away from Christ like behavior we are to gently tell them of their error and urge them to repent.” Yes when we see a brother/sister that is sinning in a manner that leads them away from Christ, those ‘who are spiritual’ should gently address the issues as to restore their right relationship with Christ however it does not say to point out the faults we see of somebody else while neglecting our own. So again what you have accused me of is exactly what you do, it is right there is black and white.

  244. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Mart this morning and how sad he must feel when he looks here and finds his friends fighting bickering arguing complaining and whining—again. Neither party is going to change after all these years, I guess. Maybe he’s gotten used to it? But I feel for him today. Praying he will rejoice in the memories of his dear wife inside his grief. And find some comfort there.

  245. poohpity says:

    Forever, it is right for a fellow sister/brother in Christ to judge another Christian when we notice they are sinning so that their relationship with God becomes broken however you do not say what sin I have committed because to disagree with what another believer teaches or what is taught in the bible is NOT A SIN. Disagreeing with someone is not a personal attack against them nor a put down. It is fine don’t you think to listen to another persons point of view and compare it to what is taught in scripture and then openly share the differences. Calling people out on the faults we see in them is way different that talking to them about a sin that will lead them away from Christ. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but every single person alive has faults and the spiritual person realizes THAT before they point to the faults of others. They take a closer look at themselves because it might be their own faults they are seeing in the life of another.

  246. poohpity says:

    When I read scripture everyday I see the truth in what Paul wrote to Timothy about what scripture is used for to the person reading it, again to the person reading it.

    2 Tim 3: From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.

    When I read scripture God uses it to correct and convict me and give me instruction for how to live MY life. I do not believe that God needs helpers to find faults that is not a gift of the spirit but of the world or the flesh.

  247. jeff1 says:

    Words are just words without actions, I am thinking, as I recall a young heartbroken English soldier saying to me “You are each as bad as each other”, prior to that having remarked on the numerous churches and chapels here yet the lack of forgiveness between us.

    As our politicians here bicker over the same old divisions and rioting once again is on our streets this young man’s words ring true to me and like Beloved I see that neither party is going to change.

    I think I have finally come to the conclusion that for some it is more important to be right than to turn the other cheek.

    Just my observations of life here and our reluctance to forgive or forget.

    Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son

    Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory, thou o’er death hast won;
    angels in bright raiment rolled the stone away,
    kept the folded grave clothes where thy body lay.
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won.

    Lo! Jesus meets us, risen from the tomb;
    Lovingly he greets us, scatters fear and gloom;
    let the Church with gladness, hymns of triumph sing;
    for her Lord now liveth, death hath lost its sting.
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won.

    No more we doubt thee, glorious Prince of life;
    life is naught without thee; aid us in our strife;
    make us more than conquerors, through thy deathless love:
    bring us safe through Jordan to thy home above.
    Thine be the glory, risen conquering Son,
    Endless is the vict’ry, thou o’er death hast won

  248. foreverblessed says:

    Endless is the victory over death Jesus has won.

    Thanks for that reminder.
    Steve, thank you for your concern.
    Three years ago, when Pooh judged that I had hatred in my heart, I took the matter to Mart.
    And this was his advice:
    Pray for them:
    Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

    And thus is my advice to you: don’t make judgments that Pooh us a skunk. Forgive her and pray for her, for she does not know what she is doing.

    And I leave the matter here. About judging.

  249. foreverblessed says:

    Then there is another problem:
    That of discussing scripture.
    Mart is about seeking the nuance.

    The seeking of the nuance is a problem here.

    Besides the point of the Bible: to show Who Jesus is,the Son of God, the Creator of all things, and that He came to save mankind, through the Cross to those who believe in Him.
    And above all: the mystery of the Body and the Blood of Jesus.

    I am so thankful Mart has pointed us to that.
    We can be so thankful to Jesus, what He has done for us.
    Praise God, sing songs, thank you Jeff, for all these songs.

    But many other things are not very plain.
    There is a nuance, and it is very good to discuss and have questions and talk.

    But it is quite another thing when soneone decides what a scripture means and declares it as the truth, and then says,
    You do not believe what Jesus taught, so what else are you not going to believe.

    Their interpretation of what a bible verse means is written in concrete, and they act as dictators, thinking they serve the “truth”

    So there again, I pray: Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

    I appreciate the discussions that we have here. The Songs, the praying that we do for one another, and for our loved ones.
    I appreciate the revelation of my old man, that comes up, and dealing with it.
    Not giving in to it. But I have, and I sm sorry for that.

    And above all, the love and the friendship. Thank you all.
    May God listen to us, and hear us, as we fear Him from a truthful and humble heart.
    Malachi 4:16

    Bubbles would say: do not forget to pray for Mart, who is grieving for the loss of his wife.
    May God show him to be very very close to Him, comfort him, and his when family.

  250. Beloved says:

    Dear Steve, Forever and Pooh,

    13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

  251. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, dear gentle friend so that there is no confusion about the matter I did not say that pooh is a skunk.

    My use of the skunk was to explain that you cannot ignore its odor. I should have went on to say that you can’t blame the person who smells it for its stink.

    It stinks because it stinks.

    Another phrase used sometimes in the same way is that you cannot ignore the elephant in the room.

    The purpose behind such sayings are to explain what you see and observe or in the skunk’s case smell, is what is there.

    That is not a judgement, it is what is observed.

    What is observed is then taken into your brain and sorted out. This is right and this is not. This is good and this is bad.

    Such discernment is not judgement.

    If I came upon a person who had chocolate smeared all over their face and said to that person, “You have chocolate smeared all over your face.” I haven’t judged the person, I have simply stated what I have seen. Maybe the person didn’t know it and so washed their face, maybe they got angry with me for telling them.

    If they got angry with me for telling them, perhaps they have judged my motive for telling them?

    On the other hand maybe they are glad I told them believing that my motive may have been for their benefit.

    I thought I was done with this subject, but seen I had to explain myself.

    Unless I am judged improperly again and sense a need to defend myself I am very tired of this same old problem that arises on BTA all the time and have no more to say about it.


  252. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, may God be with your spirit and soul, and body, especially nthe body because of all the work you do.
    Thank you so much for your concern. I really do appreciate that.

    Mart himself never wanted to do that, tell everybody what it is.
    He just said: pray for them.
    Ask God the prayer Jesus Himself prayed, Father forgive them, God they do nog know what they are doing.

    Ad for Christianity Today, you might appreciate them for your reason: state the condition as it is.

    I was reading Psalm 26,
    It is about David, who was always courteous towards Saul, he had not begotten the kingdom through ill-means, like Jacob took the birthright from Esau.
    David waited on God’s time, and he knew that on that point he was innocent, not guilty. But he was accused for having the crown anyway.

  253. street says:

    Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
    instead of a sash, a rope;
    instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
    instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
    instead of beauty, branding.
    Your men will fall by the sword,
    your warriors in battle.

    Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—
    pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?

    “I hate, I despise your religious festivals;
    your assemblies are a stench to me.

    “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

    14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ’s triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere. 15 For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16 To the one we are an aroma that brings death; to the other, an aroma that brings life. And who is equal to such a task?

    15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have no need of anything,” and you do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to apply to your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I rebuke and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne. 22 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

    as i think of these verses i think of man made clothing vs the Righteousness God cloths the Saint in. figuring how to cloth the unrighteous in righteousness without exposing them, or looking down on them? thinking of nathan and david. thinking of oswald chambers thoughts to day on burdens 4/12/21. thinking of a cup bearer with a long face before the king. we will be put in difficult circumstance. may our confidence be as true as our LORD.

  254. foreverblessed says:

    To You, O Lord, I lift up my soul;
    in You I trust, O my God.
    Do not let me be put to shame,
    not let my enemies triumph over me.
    No-one who’s hope is in You,
    will ever be put to shame…
    Show me Your Ways, O Lord, teach me Your paths;
    guide me in Your truth and teach me,
    (Teachings of Jesus, O wrote in my Bible)
    for You are God, my Saviour,

    And my hope is in You all day long.

    That is my prayer for us all.
    May God give us His peace in our hearts,
    May we give Him our burdens and our worries and irritations.

  255. foreverblessed says:

    That was Psalm 25:1-5

  256. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Street, Utmost of today, made a deep impression too:
    God wants to carry our burdens,
    The burden is light and the yoke is easy.
    I can only warn, pray intercessory prayer, and leave it with Him, and worship Him.
    ( Hard enough for me to let go, I am learning, being disciplined)

    When we put our eyes on Jesus, we will see, that everything that happened to us, has happened to Him manyfold.
    The accusations, the bulls around Him shouting at Him, slandering Him. Consider Him.
    He did it out of love for us, to save us.

    Jesus let evil exhaust it’s power on Him, using it’s only real weapon: death.
    And they were exhausted, as Jesus could not remain in the grave.
    The power of the Resurrection.
    Jesus has fought all our battles.
    We need to stand still and wait

  257. Beloved says:

    I was listening to Elizabeth Elliot today describing the meekness of Jesus. Examples: When the cock crowed 3 times after Peter denied Jesus Jesus just “looked on Peter”. Jesus washed Judas’ feet as well as the others knowing one of the 12 would betray Him. Thinking about this takes one a little deeper.

  258. Beloved says:

    Rather when Peter denied Jesus 3 times the cock crowed. Oops

  259. Beloved says:

    That was very good advice Mart gave you Forever. It does no good to expect or even demand justice. God is the ultimate justice giver- in the end. Perhaps your intercession with prayer will turn her to Jesus for forgiveness and a new heart.

  260. poohpity says:

    Beloved I love that you mentioned Peter denying Christ and do we know if He ever admitted doing wrong to Jesus? No but Jesus forgave him just as He did from the Cross for those who nailed Him there. Did Jesus forgive the sins of the whole world before they admitted they sinned or did wrong?

    So are we to push someone to admit they did wrong before we forgiven them? Or even when someone did apologize for unintentionally hurting someone three years ago and the person is still carrying it around actively.

    Let me be clear I have not written anything with the intention of hurting anyone and if that is the results of something I have written then I offer my sincere heart felt apology for it being taken that way.

  261. Beloved says:

    I was talking about the meekness of Jesus who said nothing to Peter after Peters denial. It was all known by Jesus that it would happen just like he knew someone of his inner circle would sell His whereabouts to the authorities for his death as prophesied by Isaiah. Actually I was just thinking about whether Jesus showed weakness or strength. He could have called legions of angels to deliver him from the cross. But He didn’t. Why? To save sinners. All sinners. I’d call that neither strength or weakness but meekness. Obedience to the death. Perhaps we also are called to die daily. Obedience to death of the SELF.

    I would not try to insert myself into this scenario. Why? Because I’m only flesh— not a god. One who Jesus died for. Being fleshly I really strongly suggest you guys give up the ghost on your issue because it does nothing for edification or encouraging or training in righteousness.

    Or has this gotten to the low of right-fighting? I never sat in on temple business but I read that the scribes and Pharisees had plenty of fights back in the day.

  262. jeff1 says:

    Words are like weapons unfortunately most do not treat them as such but they start wars, ruin relationships, break trust.

    Interestingly C. S. Lewis says, “The greatest evils in the world will not be carried out by men with guns, but by men in suits sitting behind desks”.

    The power of words greatly underestimated.

  263. Beloved says:

    Sometimes it’s better to just sit quietly rather than try to defend oneself. It’s one of Jesus’ character traits.

  264. jeff1 says:

    Sent forth by God’s blessing, our true faith confessing,
    the people of God from his table take leave.
    The supper is ended; O now be extended
    the fruits of his service in all who believe.
    The seed of his teaching, our hungry souls reaching,
    shall blossom in action for God and for all.
    His grace shall incite us, his love shall unite us
    to further God’s kingdom and answer his call.

    With praise and thanksgiving to God every living,
    the tasks of our everyday life we will face.
    Our faith every sharing, in love ever caring,
    we claim as our neighbours the whole human race.
    One bread that has fed us, one light that has led us,
    unite us as one in his life that we share.
    Then may all the living, with praise and thanksgiving,
    give honour to Christ and his name that we bear.

  265. foreverblessed says:

    That is a wonderful song Jeff!
    Talking about Jesus, thanks that you did, Beloved.
    What a great power He showed, for not saying a word.
    But His eyes full of love, full of love He looked to Peter, when the cock had crowed.
    I heard an explanation about this ordeal: Peter was the leader of the disciples, he was most valuable to sharing the Gospel, when he himself had experienced the Grace shown by Jesus. The saved sinner.
    That God has forgiven us, that God has redeemed me out of the kingdom of darkness.
    He has shown Grace to us. I had preconceived ideas about certain Bible verses, and they were wrong, from age 5 forward, I believed in God the Father. I must have been a little older when realizing that Jesus was His Son, and that He died for our sins. But… I thought that the 4th commandment was literal: the 7th day, from sunset to sunset. And I thought that all other christians were deceived, for having changed to Sunday.
    Yes, and I thought that that was the truth.
    In the same way, as Peter, when you come to deeper understanding, the Sabbath was only a shadow, now that Christ has appeared, the shadow is gone. Jesus is the Sabbath Rest. And how difficult it is to Rest totally in the finished work of Jesus

  266. foreverblessed says:

    The cock crowed, three times….Peter had denied.
    Reminds me of a trip we made to Turkey.
    Turkish government had subsidized tourism to the Cappadocië area, specially for people from western Europe. The government knows that we are predominantly Christian, and as there in that area are many remains of early christian settlements, the guides were trained in the christian matter.
    The area is avsoft rock formation, 300 meter of Lava, where houses were carved out of the rocks, a whole church even, with mural painting of christian themes, Jesus on the Cross, and indeed, the denial of Peter too.
    We had a Turkish guide, and he was telling lots about the christian history. They were careful to have that in their guide talk.
    He said, the cock crowed only once, it was Peter that had denied Jesus three times.
    That was in 2011.
    We really enjoyed going there, it is a beautiful landscape. We first visited the Turkish Riviera, Antalya, a seaport.
    In bible times it was called Attalia, next to Perge. in the area of Pamphylia. From the coastal area we had a bustrip, via Konya, (Iconium in bible times) to Cappadocia.
    With these cities carved out of rock, even churches. Where a whole community of Christians have lived.
    Cappadocia lies east from the Galatia area.

  267. foreverblessed says:

    In the first travel of Paul and Barnabas, Acts 13:1-4, from Cyprus they sailed to Perge, (lots of ruins to be seen, even an Amphi Theater) from Perge they went to Antioch in Pisidia, straight north from Perge, you have to travel through mountain area, high and full of woodlands. Like the Alps, not as high though. But even the journey must have been tough.
    Acts 13:13-14 there they preached the Gospel in the synagoge.

    “For this is what the Lord commanded us:
    I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.
    When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honoured the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
    The word of the Lord spread through the whole region. But the Jews invited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from the region.

    So they shook the dust from their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium.
    And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
    Acts 13:47-52

    Some example for me, that last verse.

  268. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Forever, I would agree that it is a wonderful hymn for it speaks of unitedness something we have failed to get to grips with and that to my thinking is to our detriment.

  269. poohpity says:

    “Beyond the Curtain” it seems the closer we get to God the closer we get to each other.

  270. poohpity says:

    The opposite seems also true that the further away from God we are the more chaotic relationships with others become.

  271. Beloved says:

    Forever I corrected what I first said about the cock crowing once after Peter denied Jesus 3 times as scripture says. Your guide was correct. So easily the mind gets confused. Probably best to just stick to scripture when talking about scripture. I’ll try to do that more.

  272. Beloved says:

    Being closer to God is key, yes.

    Philippians 1:21
    For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

    Luke 14:27
    Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.

    Romans 12:1
    I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

    Isaiah 58:13-14
    “If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways, or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly; then you shall take delight in the Lord, and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

    Jesus is our sabbath rest!

  273. Beloved says:

    Luke says,
    60 But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are talking about.” And immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed.

    61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter.

    And Peter remembered the saying of the Lord, how he had said to him, “Before the rooster crows today, you will deny me three times.” 62 And he went out and wept bitterly.

  274. Beloved says:

    Peter was very remorseful
    62 And he went out and wept bitterly.

  275. jeff1 says:

    There are times when I feel closer to God than others so for me it isn’t consistent.

    I can feel extremely close to God but I also can feel fearfully distant from Him.

    Practicing my faith does give me strength, encouragement and assurances that God doesn’t give up on me often when I seem to have given up on myself.

    I seem to be better at fretting over past mistakes than I am at focusing on now or better times to come and that steals my joy so nothing changes when it comes to being my own worst enemy.

  276. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Beloved I had seen that you had corrected it, I had to smile about that, because immediately I had to think about that Turkish guide, he showed the mural with the cock and the first thing he said about the story: Peter denied Jesus three times, not that the cock crowed three times. So apparently many people think that the three times was for the cock.

    But I had to think about that guide again, as I had prayed for him at the time, that he may see the light of the Gospel. I could pray again for this man, or maybe it is better to thank God for all that He had done already, because of our prayers.

    And the more we as christians ate united the more the Holy Spirit can work on our prayers. How do I know?
    What bible verses can back that up?

  277. foreverblessed says:

    My comment appeared where I talked about the Mattheus Passion, the aria Peter sings after the cock crowed, it is called:
    “Erbarme dich”
    “Have mercy” in english. A beautiful piece of music.
    Peter wept bitterly, the composer Bach makes him sing:
    Lord have mercy on me. Because of my failings.

    Beloved, good idea, just bible verses.

    Jeff, that is so difficult, to not frett over things that have gone wrong. Or worrying.
    But still the Bible says: fix your thoughts on Jesus.
    Maybe that is why we are called disciples, it is a discipline.
    Your songs work.
    But also reading in the Gospel. About Jesus.

    Or bench watching of “the Chosen”:

    Today the second film on the second episode of “the Chosen” has come out. It was 3 am in our time, so I haven’t seen it yet.
    The thought behind the movies on Jesus, as “the Chosen’ is telling the story of the Gospels, to be “drowned” in the life of Jesus. Like the bench watching of these popular series.
    Bench watching about the life of Jesus.
    They plan to have seven episodes.

    But reading in the bible, prayerfully. And then:
    Just sitting still with Jesus, and listening to what He says, is another way.
    God bless us all, and ours too

  278. Beloved says:

    Thanks Forever I didn’t understand you I do know. Sometimes it’s so hard to just read words here without inflections 🤔. Would you please pray I’m having severe hip pain for a week and seeing the doctor tomorrow but have asked God to spare me from surgery. I asked Him what is the purpose for going through the trauma of surgery. It’s in His hands I trust Him and agree with whatever the outcome.

    I remember having a root canal and the dentist wasn’t sure he could do it because the root was so twisted so I prayed for him and told him so after he finished saying “I have no idea how I did that!” So I remember no matter what God is just a prayer away.

  279. Beloved says:

    Street how is your back?

  280. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, yes I am praying for you,
    For your steadfast love in God, and trust in Him.

    May God be with you, body, mind and spirit,
    May He stand by your side and bless you
    and your doctor.

  281. Beloved says:

    Thank you so much😊

  282. street says:

    reading bta with cold compress…lol

    doc did not recommend any surgery, so that avenue is done.

    just need to behave and live with the restrictions.

    can’t believe how hard that is! lol

    i would have to say the restrictions have enhanced time with God. my johan and job time. love it! hope springs eternal!

  283. foreverblessed says:

    “i would have to say the restrictions have enhanced time with God. my johan and job time. love it! hope springs eternal!”

    The blessings that it has brought.
    Last Sunday, when we were worshipping and singing together, one lady who had severe upper arm problems, with great pain, for almost half a year. She had asked prayers, many times.
    But last Sunday she said: “because I was so invalidated I had much more time with God”
    “Many a time people have given me words from the Holy Spirit, saying to come to Jesus, and come to rest. And I have tried, but failed. Now it is through this arm that I was put yo rest.
    And she was praising God for the Rest she had been given by Him.”

  284. foreverblessed says:

    Come to me, all you who is are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
    Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and my burden is light.
    Matthew 11:28-30

  285. foreverblessed says:

    In my Bible I have written next to that verse in Matthew:
    Psalm 62:8
    Trust in Him at all times, O people
    Pour out your hearts to Him (come to Me with everything)
    for God is our refuge.

    That Bible is falling apart, and the pages get smaller at the edges, the paper just disappears!
    I have bought a new bible, a present I gave myself for Christmas. Now I am busy rewriting the notes in the new Bible.

  286. jeff1 says:

    ‘Forgive our sins as we forgive’,
    you taught us, Lord, to pray;
    but you alone can grant us grace
    to live the words we say.

    How can your pardon reach and bless
    the unforgiving heart
    that broods on wrongs, and will not let
    old bitterness depart?

    In blazing light your cross reveals
    the truth we dimly knew:
    what trivial debts are owed to us,
    how great our debt to you!

    Lord, cleanse the depths within our souls
    and bid resentment cease.
    Then, bound to all in bonds of love,
    our lives will spread your peace.
    based on Matthew 6:12

  287. poohpity says:

    Viv, your comment @6:14am is just wonderful and represents a life “Beyond the Curtain”!

  288. poohpity says:

    Not only life “Beyond the Curtain” but the message of the Gospel in a nut shell.

  289. jeff1 says:

    Sinner Saved by Grace

    If you could see
    What I once was
    If you could go with me
    Back to where I started from
    Then, I know you would see
    A miracle of Love that put me
    In it’s sweet embrace
    And made me what I am today
    Just an old sinner
    Saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I live and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    Loved and forgiven
    Backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    How could I boast on anything
    I’ve ever seen or done
    How could I dare to claim as mine
    The victories God has won
    Where would I be
    Had God not brought me
    Gently to this place
    I’m here to say I’m nothing but
    A sinner saved by grace

    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    When I stood condemned to death
    He took my place
    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgiven
    Backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace

    Now I grow and breathe in freedom
    With each breath of life I take
    I’m loved and forgiven
    Backed with a living
    I’m just a sinner
    Saved by grace
    Saved by grace

  290. Beloved says:

    Yes street the hard part is sitting still and not being as active. Change is always hard. Not liking this one bit if this is the beginning of a new season in life. Fanny Crosby comes to mind.

  291. Beloved says:

    I needed this today-


    Seeing is never believing: we interpret what we see in the light of what we believe. Faith is confidence in God before you see God emerging; therefore the nature of faith is that it must be tried. He Shall Glorify Me, 494 R

  292. Beloved says:

    Good news no surgery needed but I’m going to have some physical therapy and ice packs. Dealing with pain as best I can. Leaning in on Jesus in quietness and trust. My strength and my God.

  293. foreverblessed says:

    Therefore, brothers (and sisters), since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us
    through the curtain,
    that is, His Body,

    Hebrews 10:19

  294. foreverblessed says:

    And since we have a Great Priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith,

    having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

    Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess,
    for He who promised is faithful.

    Hebrews 10:19-23

  295. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, I pray that your body is washed with pure water.
    And your heart sprinkled to cleanse you from a guilty conscience.

    And for all of our bodies and hearts.

    And as I am writing this, I thought, what a strange prayer, I should rather thank God that our bodies are already washed with pure water, and that oud hearts are already sprinkled, our guilty conscience is gone.

    Praise God for all His promises,
    For He Who promised is faithful.

  296. poohpity says:

    It is amazing the teaching we find when one reads the scripture and often we do not even need a commentary to open our eyes to what it says because we have the Holy Spirit as our teacher if we trust.

  297. jeff1 says:

    Come, thou long-expected Jesus,
    born to set thy people free;
    from our fears and sins release us;
    let us find our rest in thee.

    2 Israel’s strength and consolation,
    hope of all the earth thou art;
    dear desire of every nation,
    joy of every longing heart.

    3 Born thy people to deliver,
    born a child and yet a king;
    born to reign in us for ever,
    now thy gracious kingdom bring.

    4 By thine own eternal Spirit,
    rule in all our hearts alone:
    by thine all-sufficient merit,
    raise us to they glorious throne.

  298. Beloved says:

    Tears In Heaven
    Eric Clapton

    Would you know my name
    If I saw you in heaven?
    Would it be the same
    If I saw you in heaven?
    I must be strong and carry on
    ‘Cause I know I don’t belong here in heaven

    Would you hold my hand
    If I saw you in heaven?
    Would you help me stand
    If I saw you in heaven?
    I’ll find my way through night and day
    ‘Cause I know I just can’t stay here in heaven

    Time can bring you down, time can bend your knees
    Time can break your heart, have you begging please, begging please

    Beyond the door, there’s peace, I’m sure
    And I know there’ll be no more tears in heaven

    Would you know my name
    If I saw you in heaven?
    Would you be the same
    If I saw you in heaven?
    I must be strong and carry on
    ‘Cause I know I don’t belong here in heaven

  299. street says:

    white stones with new Name

    new bodies, incorruptible

    the physical presents of Jesus

    new heaven and new earth

    sounds like heaven

    “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among the people, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

    8 Now they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden

    John 10:3
    To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

  300. jeff1 says:

    God, there are times when I overlook all that you have done for me. Right now I want to thank you for taking care of all that concerns me. Amen.

  301. jeff1 says:

    Meekness and majesty,
    manhood and deity,
    in perfect harmony-
    the man who is God:
    Lord of eternity
    dwells in humanity,
    kneels in humility
    and washes our feet.

    O what a mystery-
    meekness and majesty:
    bow down and worship,
    for this is your God,
    this is your God!

    Father’s pure radiance,
    perfect in innocence,
    yet learns obedience
    to death on a cross:
    suffering to give us life,
    conquering through sacrifice-
    and, as they crucify,
    prays, ‘Father, forgive’.

    Wisdom unsearchable,
    God the invisible,
    love indestructible
    in frailty appears:
    Lord of infinity,
    stooping so tenderly,
    lifts our humanity
    to the heights of his throne.

    based on John 3: 13:16; Philippians 2: 6-11

  302. bubbles says:

    Two weeks ago Thursday a friend texted asking for prayer. She had the virus and wasn’t well. We texted a few minutes, and she had to stop since she didn’t feel well. She passed away last Friday morning. She lost her husband six years ago, and now she is with her Lord whom she loved and served and with her husband. “Beyond the curtain.” She is with Jesus and can see her husband who she missed every day. She often spoke of the difficulty of keeping her house going since she was alone. She missed him and wanted to be with him.

  303. Beloved says:

    Dear bubbles thinking of you with the loss of your friend. May God strengthen and comfort you.

  304. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Bubbles, whereas I am sorry you have lost a friend, I am pleased that your friend is in a better place.

    I will forever remember a lady I knew here in Bayard who as a young bride lost her husband in WWI.

    She was a beautiful woman, physically and especially in her spirit and she defined class.

    Her husband is buried in our cemetery and has always had the largest memorial stone there. She had a stained glass window put in the local United Brethren Church and remained his widow until her death.

    She loved him and remained true to him all her life.

    I have often reminded people here that there is no marriage ceremony given in Scripture. In my opinion even though most man made ceremonies use the phrase “until death do ye part”, I don’t think true love, that “match made in heaven”, is ever broken, even in death.


  305. Beloved says:

    Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
    Open the eyes of my heart
    I want to see You
    I want to see You
    To see You high and lifted up
    Shinin’ in the light of Your glory
    Pour out Your power and love
    As we sing holy, holy, holy
    To see You high and lifted up
    Shining in the light of Your glory
    Pour out Your power and love
    As we sing holy, holy, holy
    To see You high and lifted up
    Shining in the light of Your glory
    Pour out Your power and love
    As we sing holy, holy, holy
    Holy, holy, holy
    We cry holy, holy, holy
    You are holy, holy, holy
    I want to see you

  306. street says:

    as steve pointed out love is forever, along with the fruits of the Spirit. God works in mortal flesh for an eternal outcome, Glory!

  307. SFDBWV says:

    Since the subject is about beyond the curtain between life and death I will tell another story I have told before, but it has been a while.

    Some of you already think I am a heretic so it doesn’t matter to me what you think of me, but the story is as true as it can be told.

    The year is 1945 and the story about my grandmother Ethel and mother Phoebe and father Edward. As well as my Uncle Fred.

    Edward’s health had gotten to a place where he could no longer make the trek up and down the stairs and so had a bed in a downstairs room. He was pretty much confined to bed rest at the time. His bed faced a door between the kitchen and his room and when the door was open he could see straight on to the kitchen door that led to the back porch of the house.

    There was a boardwalk that went from the back porch around the alley side of the house just outside the room he was in.

    A couple weeks earlier my grandmother Ethel, where she was living at the time, had taken her mother Phoebe to Washington DC to a hospital for diagnosis. Phoebe had been ill and undiagnosed so she was in Washington DC in a hospital at the time of my story.

    My uncle Fred was at home with his grandfather Edward taking care of him.

    It turned out that Phoebe had bone cancer and while there at the hospital her leg broke.

    Phoebe’s condition and diagnosis had been kept from Edward as no one wanted to worry him, he being sick himself.

    One afternoon Uncle Fred told his grandfather Edward that he was going to go over town and would be back in a little while and left him alone.

    However when Uncle Fred returned his grandfather Edward said to him “Freddy why didn’t you tell me mother (Phoebe) was sick?”

    Fred was shocked and confused and ask how he had found out.

    Whereupon Edward said that as he was laying there in bed he heard someone limping walking along the boardwalk outside and thought maybe Fred had fallen and was hurt.

    Hearing the kitchen door open he looked up from his bed expecting to see Fred, but instead it was his wife Phoebe, she walked limping over to the bottom of his bed and he ask what was wrong with her leg that she was limping.

    She told him her leg was broken as a result of her sickness, but was there to tell him she would not be coming home. Her sickness was going to take her before she could return and just wanted to tell him and say goodbye.

    She vanished as my Uncle Fred returned and so the story told.

    She died a few days later in Washington DC never having left the hospital and he in six weeks.

    Make what you will of the story, it is a true story handed down from Uncle Fred and my great grandfather Edward to the rest of my family, including me.

    My great grandfather Edward when only 17 rode a horse some 50 miles to claim his wife Phoebe when she only 15 at the time and they made a life and a home together that enriched us all.

    Love, true love, never dies and can transcend even the curtain.


  308. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, thank you Steve, for taking thc time yo tell the story again.
    It is just good to read it again!
    What a grace, that she could say goodbye!

    Wonderful, Love never ends.
    God’s love that is.
    I remember one of the blog members, Gary, he did not want to hear the word: love. We had to specify that only God’s Love is forever!

    But, when a spouse dies, the person is gone, not on earth anymore. And in heaven there is no marriage bond, besides the big mystery Marriage between the Lamb and the Bride.

    When Steve was telling about a young widow who never remarried, I had to think about an old friend, from my church. Her father had died young, and her mother had this idea too. that there was only One true love, her husband sho had died.
    Now the daughter had looked at the life of her mother, and she decided: when a husband has died, she is free to marry another man, may she come upon a new true love.
    So she was telling everybody, in the weeks around her own wedding:
    “this is the love of my life, and I vow that I am true to him, so help me God. But if he dies, then that vow ends, and when I find a new true man, given by the Lord I will marry him. I would I’ll.nog live in the past and hold on to this love that is no longer here on earth.”

    I found that quite exceptional, as when you as a young person that has found the true love, given by the Lord, and are deeply in love, you just cannot think about anyobe else.

    But she had this example of her mother, and had been thinking about this decision a lot already.

  309. Beloved says:

    The Prophet’s Hope

    19Remember my affliction and wandering,
    the wormwood and the gall.
    20Surely my soul remembers
    and is humbled within me.

    21Yet I call this to mind,
    and therefore I have hope:
    22Because of the loving devotionb of the LORD we are not consumed,
    for His mercies never fail.
    23They are new every morning;
    great is Your faithfulness!

    24“The LORD is my portion,” says my soul,
    “therefore I will hope in Him.”
    25The LORD is good to those who wait for Him,
    to the soul who seeks Him.

    26It is good to wait quietly
    for the salvation of the LORD.
    27It is good for a man to bear the yoke
    while he is still young.
    28Let him sit alone in silence,
    for God has disciplined him.
    29Let him bury his face in the dust—
    perhaps there is still hope.
    30Let him offer his cheek to the one who would strike him;
    let him be filled with reproach.

    31For the Lord will not
    cast us off forever.

    32Even if He causes grief, He will show compassion
    according to His abundant loving devotion.
    33For He does not willingly afflict
    or grieve the sons of men.

    34To crush underfoot
    all the prisoners of the land,
    35to deny a man justice
    before the Most High,
    36to subvert a man in his lawsuit—
    of these the Lord does not approve.

  310. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    April 18, 2021 at 8:15 am

    I remember one of the blog members, Gary, he did not want to hear the word: love. We had to specify that only God’s Love is forever!

    Only God’s love is unconditional I would say as we expect love to be reciprocated.

    Yet the Christian is to pursue God’s love:

    1 John 4:8 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

    I think this speaks volumes as does:

    1 Corinthians 13:1 1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

    Love is more important than I was ever taught to believe as I think of:

    So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

  311. Beloved says:

    Beyond the Curtain

    Since heresy was brought up by Steve I was thinking about my own relationship with God and why Calvinism is what I embrace. For any unfamiliar with he TULIP acronym I haven’t listed them here but you can google them easily. However for the matter at hand which effects life beyond I this comforts me.

    P – Stands for Perseverance of the Saints
    Calvinism teaches that the Elect cannot lose their salvation. Because salvation is the work of God the Father; Jesus Christ, the Savior; and the Holy Spirit, it cannot be thwarted. None whom God has called will be lost, they are eternally secure.

    Technically, however, it is God who perseveres, not the saints themselves. Calvin’s doctrine of the perseverance of the saints is in contrast to the theology of Lutheranism and the Roman Catholic Church, which hold that people can lose their salvation.

  312. Beloved says:

    My personal struggle is I still try to please God- which isn’t bad in itself but good- however I try to please in anxiety for fear of abandonment. (Which comes from my upbringing) May the mind of Christ overpower the things I’ve been taught by my family. Thank you LORD for revealing the possibility of finally understanding in my innermost being the Trust of being loved with an everlasting love.

    Sorry for taking a minute about myself but hoping it may help someone else who struggles.

  313. Beloved says:

    I too remember Gary and must admit at the time I was very angry toward fundamentalists so he often got the brunt of my wrath and I am so sorry.

  314. foreverblessed says:

    Wow, Jeff, what you wrote about love, 10.03 am, with all the Bible references, just what I had wanted to write, but I had to go, this morning, to the Praise group of our church, just 4 people, singing worship songs, and praying, and…. taking the Lord’s Supper. The bread and wine.
    That’s so wonderful!

    The love of God, unconditional: He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.
    while we were still sinners.

    What passage in the bible was that Beloved, of the Prophets Hope?

    And about not losing your salvation? How does that Hebrews 6:4-6 passage fit in?
    You don’t have to answer that, it is just impossible.
    For myself, I was thinking, Billy Graham had very good advice, if you worry about that bible verse, it is not about you.

  315. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, ok I’m sorry, if is not a good thing to think about Hebrews 6:4-6.
    Especially not, when you have a fear of abandonment!
    Better to think about how much God loved us, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoso believes in Him should nog perish.

    We do not perish, when we believe in Him
    And look up to Him, expecting everything from Him.
    Poor in spirit
    The smaller we become the greater Jesus can become in us.

    Better to think about:
    He in us and we in Him, and He in God.

    John 17

  316. street says:

    Matthew 3:17
    and behold, a voice from the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

    My personal struggle is I still try to please God- which isn’t bad in itself but good- however I try to please in anxiety for fear of abandonment.

    Matthew 17:5
    While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice from the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to Him!”

    2 Corinthians 7:2-4
    New American Standard Bible

    2 Make room for us in your hearts; we have wronged no one, we corrupted no one, we have taken advantage of no one. 3 I do not speak to condemn you, for I have said before that you are in our hearts, to die together and to live together. 4 My confidence in you is great; my boasting in your behalf is great. I am filled with comfort; I am overflowing with joy in all our affliction.

    Romans 8:1
    Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus.

    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    1 John 3:19-21
    19 We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will set our heart at ease before Him, 20 that if our heart condemns us, that God is greater than our heart, and He knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;

    2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an [a]Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the [b]propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

  317. street says:

    it would seem there are times of confidence and times of doubts according to 1 John 3:20-21

    turning to the One Who is lifted up and Exalted to the Right Hand of God, Jesus in times of need. entering His gates with thanksgiving and into Hid court with praise.

    He watches over our comings and goings. our times of coming to Him and times going to Him. there is no other. the Alpha and the Omega. time sure does get messy!

    blessed are the peacemakers……

    Luke 8:48
    And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace.”

  318. Beloved says:

    Forever, Lamentations those verses are from.

    Hebrews 6:4–6 (ESV)
    They weren’t saved in the first place is how I understand it. Doesn’t bother me I know I’m saved. Salvation is not my issue; Gods faithfulness is, sadly. He needs to remind me daily, which He does. Lest I become overconfident in myself and forget He is my God. He’s the Boss of me.

  319. Beloved says:

    Time sure DOES get messy

  320. poohpity says:

    Lord, I come to you broken and weak needing your mercy. When surrounded by enemies it is only within your arms I find peace and rest. All I can see right now are the many faults and shortcomings that I bear but to you I am loved, accepted, forgiven and wanted. Lord thank you for all that you are and all that we mean to you.

  321. street says:

    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

  322. Beloved says:

    Less Like Me
    Song by Zach Williams

    Oh, I have days I lose the fight
    Try my best but just don’t get it right
    Well I talk a talk that I don’t walk
    And miss the moments right before my eyes
    Somebody with a hurt that I could have helped
    Somebody with a hand that I could have held
    When I just can’t see past myself
    Oh Lord help me be

    A little more like mercy’ a little more like grace
    A little more like kindness’ goodness, love, and faith
    A little more like patience’s a little more like peace
    A little more like Jesus, a little less like me

    Yeah, there’s no denying I have changed
    ‘Cause I’ve been saved from who I used to be
    But even at my best’ I must confess
    I still need help to see the way You see
    Somebody with a hurt that I could have helped
    Somebody with a hand that I could have held
    When I just can’t see past myself
    Oh Lord, help me be

    A little more like mercy, a little more like grace
    A little more like kindness, goodness, love, and faith
    A little more like patience, a little more like peace
    A little more like Jesus, a little less like me
    Oh, I want to feed the beggar on the street
    Love to be your hands and feet
    Freely give what I receive
    Lord, help me be
    I want a friendship first above all else
    Love my neighbor as myself
    In the moments no one sees
    Lord, help me be

    One, two, three
    A little more like mercy, a little more like grace
    A little more like kindness, goodness, love, and faith
    A little more like patience, a little more like peace
    A little more like Jesus, oh, a little less like me
    A little more of living everything I preach
    A little more like Jesus, a little less like me
    Oh, a little less like me

  323. street says:

    Years I spent in vanity and pride,
    Caring not my Lord was crucified,
    Knowing not it was for me He died
    On Calvary.

    Mercy there was great, and grace was free;
    Pardon there was multiplied to me;
    There my burdened soul found liberty
    At Calvary.

    By God’s Word at last my sin I learned;
    Then I trembled at the law I’d spurned,
    Till my guilty soul imploring turned
    To Calvary.

    Oh, the love that drew salvation’s plan!
    Oh, the grace that brought it down to man!
    Oh, the mighty gulf that God did span
    At Calvary!

    Mercy there was great, and grace was free;
    Pardon there was multiplied to me;
    There my burdened soul found liberty
    At Calvary.

    Now I’ve giv’n to Jesus everything,
    Now I gladly own Him as my King,
    Now my raptured soul can only sing
    Of Calvary!

    Mercy there was great, and grace was free;
    Pardon there was multiplied to me;
    There my burdened soul found liberty
    At Calvary.
    Mercy there was great, and grace was free;
    At Calvary.

    singing of a risen Savior because of calvary,
    living Word abiding in me, at calvary.

  324. SFDBWV says:

    “Just when I think I’m out they pull me right back in.”

    Don’t tax your brains, it is just my little humor.

    For my benefit.

    Gary disagreed aggressively with me that you can or cannot lose your salvation.

    Along the lines Joyce has already mentioned, if it were up to our conduct yes we all could, but the free gift of God’s gift is in His hands and under His control.

    Not ours.

    Once saved always saved.

    Simple as that.

    If any of you here want to believe that you have studied all there is to know about Christianity, I am sorry there is a lot more to learn for *us* all.

    The tensions that exist between Bible verses, exist. You cannot build an entire doctrine around any one verse, you simply cannot.

    Then there is the other problem that there exists a Protestant Bible and a Catholic Bible. As well as the “Greek Orthodox Church”.

    OK, Jesus says there is no marriage as we understand it in heaven. Yet we are the bride of Christ.

    In Genesis God created Adam from the dust of the earth, but Eve He “made” from Adam’s rib. Genesis 2:21-24 KJV

    Matthew 19:6 KJV, “What therefor God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Where does the soul have “birth”? When the flesh becomes alive?

    Or has the soul always been there with God from the beginning?

    Best sometimes to say nothing, rather than give the impression we know anything at all.

    Just my little Op-ed piece.


  325. street says:

    The tensions that exist between Bible verses, exist. You cannot build an entire doctrine around any one verse, you simply cannot.

    you can build upon faith in a risen Savior. it is impossible to build with human strength and will. new Spirit new birth required. new heart renewed mind new life of faith with an abundance of grace and mercy.

    thinking of a corner stone, how the other stones are placed to line up to it. very easy to see one that is not lined up correctly. Jesus said His sheep would not follow a stone that is not lined up correctly, but am reminded other stones will.

    i think i mentioned this before that when some one passes between a person and Jesus their flaws can be clearly seen eventually. we need a rob of Righteousness. my thinking is new life with the robs on the inside. Jesus mentioned people being full of dead bones… can these dead bones live again?

  326. Beloved says:

    Ezekiel 37:1-14
    New International Version
    The Valley of Dry Bones
    37 The hand of the Lord was on me,(A) and he brought me out by the Spirit(B) of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley;(C) it was full of bones.(D) 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”

    I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.(E)”

    4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord!(F) 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life.(G) 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.(H)’”

    7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

    9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath;(I) prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds(J) and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded(K) me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.(L)

    11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’(M) 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.(N) 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord,(O) when I open your graves and bring you up from them.(P) 14 I will put my Spirit(Q) in you and you will live, and I will settle(R) you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.

  327. foreverblessed says:

    I have always found that remarkable:
    God tells Ezekiel to prophecy to these bones.
    God used a man to make them alive!

    About not knowing for sure, about God’s love:

    Dutch Reformed Church.
    There are many split up churches, from the reformed church, and some of them are quite “heavy”.
    Heavy, in the sense that they are not happy evangelicals, but cast down, and never sure if they are really chosen by God.
    “Bevindelijk reformed”
    Bevindelijk, they are called: if someone is really chosen, they get a spiritual assurance, called “bevindelijk”. And when someone has had such an experience, then they are saved, and secure.
    But many members do not experience any such thing, and then they are not sure whether they are saved.
    When such people become old and sick, their death bed is terrible: fear to die.
    My aunt was a nurse, and she would talk about the fear such person’s have, that are from such strict reformed churches.

    To them I would “prophecy”:
    Have faith in Jesus, that He is your Savior, ask Him to be Lord of your heart, and start walking, following Jesus, what He teaches. But do not doubt His love for you.
    Look to Jesus, Who He is, and what He has done, and do not look to your own failings.
    Only confess them, and immediately look to Jesus, He is Your Savior, He has bought you out of the kingdom of darkness,
    And now you are in the Kingdom of the Son of His love.
    Col 1:13-14

  328. foreverblessed says:

    About Ezekiel 37:1-14
    What a beautiful prophecy.
    Aren’t we through faith, put into Jesus, did we not die with Him, and did we not, with Him come up in His Resurrection?
    Were we not raised out of that grave into the Spiritual Life of Jesus? Yes, we were, it is so! Be glad and rejoice: you live!

    Son of man, Prophecy!
    Preach, talk to your own heart: about Jesus Cross and Resurrection.
    And be a joyful person to whom many will be attracted. And the Rives of living water will flow from me, and touch others!
    John 7:38

    Ezekiel had to breath, breath life in these dead bones.
    ( I am preaching to myself now, not yo any of you, lol)

  329. Beloved says:

    Street I’m praying about what you said earlier.

    Forever I was looking at Ezekiel because of the bones coming to life then just as is promised happening again when Jesus comes back for His people; that being both Israel and the Gentiles. The elect. That is such a fascinating event then, and future to me! It was triggered by what street said.

    Pooh when I take my eyes off myself and others only then can I see Jesus. Follow Me, He said. Anything else that gets between He and I causes problems. It’s a daily refocusing for me. His mercies are new every morning.

  330. Beloved says:

    Who will be saved is answered by Jesus Himself
    Luke 13:23-30

  331. Beloved says:

    Luke 13:23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’ 28In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last.”

  332. foreverblessed says:

    We are talking about, is out always out.
    To me this passage in Luke 13:
    This is about christians, who think they are in, and they knock at the wedding ceremony, when Jesus has come back to earththey knock at the door. And Jesus tells them He does not know them.

    Then they are out, weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    They see the others in, and they are out.
    Could this be the 1000 year reign? The chosen who will be with Christ and reign the thousand years?
    And the ones who thought they were christians, but did not KNOW Jesus personally. But Jesus says He doesn’t know them.
    Rev 20:4 they and to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    There is a Psalm, that talks about the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Psalm 112:1-10
    There is a description of those who are blessed: they that are generous, and lends freely, they that scatter about their gifts to the poor.

    Now to be thousand years out, is a long time, and the weeping and gnashing is great.
    But now this is what I think: if these people have come to their senses, and repented and really cry to the Lord:
    Jesus, save me!

    And that is based on this bible verse:
    All who call on the Name of the Lord will be saved.”
    Joel 2:32

  333. plumbape says:

    all due respect to God I’ve always imagined Him like a Wizard. Like the wizard of middle earth and the Hobbits and Gandalf only our Wizard (God) created this beautiful piece of art we call earth! We can’t think our way out of sin because when you think about quitting something which you think about and it starts a bunch of sins so you can’t stop it. Not here a lot any more but always thought provoking.
    the ape in Indy
    Mike and Sharon

  334. foreverblessed says:

    So good to hear from you plumbape.
    I was busy writing why I was so intrigued by the word forever.

    But the main thing of the Bible is that it brings the good news of Jesus:
    We cannot save ourselves from sin.
    God had a great great Plan!
    “With due respect: a Wizard”

    A great Masterpiece, to save ud from our sins.
    And here comes again the Word;
    The Blood and the Body of Jesus Christ.

    The Blood gives us forgiveness of our sins, (sins as in multiple)
    That is described by Paul in Roman 3:2-5:11
    That is how we start out as a Christian, thankful that our sins are forgiven! The elder son and the younger son, equally gone astray.
    Just as Isaiah said: each in his own way
    Isaiah 53:6

    But then we move on, and find that sin is still coming up from deep within. The struggle starts, a struggle many unsaved and very high morally people do not have:
    Romans 7:14-24
    What a wretched man I am!!!

    We were born in Adam, and lost before we were born. That “lost” ness is do great:
    The fall of Adam
    The fall is hard for unbelieving people, but as we start out our journey with Jesus, being forgiven, and yet son still coming up.

    How that?!

    And there is the meaning of the Body of Christ.
    God does not make us better: His solution is different;
    He lets us die.

    We who are in Christ, have died with Him, our old man IS dead.
    And we are raised to Newness of Life, a spiritual life. Eternal life

    Phantom… We are dead to sin, sin has no power over us anymore, do these things become smaller and smaller, as we do not give into them, but look to Jesus instead.

    Look not within: there is nothing there that can save me,
    Look to Jesus, and keep looking to Him, and some day you will really KNOW that your old man has died, and that you belong to Jesus, and are new.
    Dead, because God has put us into the Body of Christ.
    It is because of what God has done. And I can accept that truth.
    And when I have failed again, I can confess it, and receive forgiveness, and walk on with Jesus. And slowly at some point I see, that particular sin has no hold on me anymore. Then I am freed! And on to the next failing, and so on and on. From one set of new clothes to a newer one. Being sanctified.

    To me, this is a point, that as you have reached it, then you can say: I am saved and always saved.
    But that is my own interpretation, God knows though.
    And all who think and are afraid they are lost,
    probably are not.
    Just cry from the depth of your soul: God save me!

    For all who call on the Name of the Lord will be saved.

  335. foreverblessed says:

    we start out our journey with Jesus, being forgiven, and yet son still coming up.

    How that?!


    But Satan speaks to us: see, this sin is still coming up, the accusations
    And we start to waver, we are doubting the effectiveness of the Cross.
    Instead of saying: God forgive me, and go on in our walk with Jesus, we are doubting.
    And here comes in our faith in the Word of God:
    We are saved who believe in Jesus!

    The armor of God Ephesians 6:10-20

  336. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed I don’t have all the answers, God does and in my experience He withholds some answers so that we look deeper or simply rest on Him.

    God sent Jonah to Ninevah to warn them of coming judgement. Jonah did not want to go because he knew God would end up showing them mercy, he (Jonah) would look foolish and after all Jonah didn’t really want the people of Ninevah to receive mercy.

    It is said that before the foundation of the world we were chosen for salvation. Ephesians 1:4 KJV

    In Jesus’ prayer to His Father He says, “I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gave me;” John 17:6 KJV and “Neither pray I for those alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word.” John 17:20 KJV

    The only time God the Father denied Jesus’ request was in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus ask if there were any other way to bring about salvation for all of mankind other than His torture and death on the cross.

    I don’t believe you can compare God’s denying Jesus prayers with this one time.

    If then we a called before the foundation of the world, do we really have a say in the matter? Was our fate sealed before the foundation of the world? Those who are called and those who aren’t?

    “All who call upon the name of the Lord are saved.”

    Is this statement “true” or does it came with conditions?

    Is mankind’s salvation reliant on his ability to obey conditions or on the sacrifice of Jesus “once and for all”?

    Keep digging, somewhere in the effort your answer will come.

    32 degrees f (0 degrees c) and clear.


    I see after posting Foreverblessed you were writing as I was.

  337. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve,
    Yes, God knows!!!
    In the mean time may my trust in Him grow bigger, and in my own heart heaven comes, and be a spring of eternal life that touches those around me.

    And at the same time, if God only knows, why would people be so sure to tell what God only knows?
    Namely to state that the lost will always be lost?

    And another point:
    The Chosen, are we chosen before the foundation of the world
    To be the only chosen and the rest is lost forever?

    are we chosen to be the firstfruits?
    To be kings and priests, to intercessory work with the Lord for all the rest?

    God, Who said:
    For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all
    Romans 11:32

    As you say, Steve,
    God will make a way.

    As it is said: with God all things are possible

  338. jeff1 says:

    See, Christ was wounded for our sake,
    and bruised and beaten for our sin,
    so by his sufferings we are healed,
    for God has laid our guilt on him.

    Look on his face, come close to him-
    see, you will find no beauty there:
    despised, rejected, who can tell
    the grief and sorrow he must bear?

    Like sheep that stray we leave God’s path,
    to choose our own and not his will;
    like sheep to slaughter he has gone,
    obedient to his Father’s will.

    Cast our to die by those he loved,
    reviled by those he died to save,
    see how sin’s pride has sought his death,
    see how sin’s hate has made his grave.

    For on his shoulders God has laid
    the weight of sin that we should bear;
    so by his passion we have peace,
    through his obedience and his prayer.

    based on Isaiah 53

  339. poohpity says:

    Amen, Viv.

    Jesus said, “Dear children, I will be with you only a little longer. And as I told the Jewish leaders, you will search for me, but you can’t come where I am going.
    34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.
    35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”
    36 Simon Peter asked, “Lord, where are you going?” And Jesus replied, “You can’t go with me now, but you will follow me later.” John 13

    Jesus continued saying, ““If you love me, obey my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. 18 No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. 19 Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. 20 When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”

    22 Judas (not Judas Iscariot, but the other disciple with that name) said to him, “Lord, why are you going to reveal yourself only to us and not to the world at large?”

    23 Jesus replied, “All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them. 24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me. 25 I am telling you these things now while I am still with you. 26 But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

    27 “I am leaving you with a gift—peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid.” John 14

  340. poohpity says:

    It seems more often than not Jesus confronted those who “say” they are representatives of God like the religious leaders in the time Jesus walked the earth as well as those today who profess His name but yet their hearts are so far from God that they did not recognize or really care who Jesus is they will not be going where He was going. Their personal choice it seems they just wanted the recognition but self importance made them to not wanting a relationship with the God they said they worshiped. So when the day comes Jesus will say depart from me I never knew you because they never wanted to know Him but only wanted the praise of the mankind not from God. God does not seem to ever force Himself on anyone and the door is shut to them.

  341. poohpity says:

    It would also follow that God knew since the beginning of the world those who would be truly His and come to Him because He is after all omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscience.

  342. jeff1 says:

    CHRIST, whose glory fills the skies,
    Christ, the true, the only Light,
    Sun of Righteousness, arise;
    triumph o’er the shades of night:
    Day-spring from on high, be near;
    Day-star, in my heart appear.

    Dark and cheerless is the morn
    unaccompanied by thee;
    joyless is the day’s return
    till thy mercy’s beams I see-
    till thy inward light impart,
    glad my eyes and warm my heart.

    Visit then this soul of mine,
    pierce the gloom of sin and grief,
    fill me, Radiancy divine,
    scatter all my unbelief:
    more and more thyself display,
    shining to the perfect day.

    based on Malachi 4: 2; Luke 2: 78; 2 Peter 1:19

  343. Beloved says:

    Behold I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him and he with Me. Revelation 3:20NKJV

    One Door, And Only One

    One door, and only one
    And yet its sides are two,
    Inside and outside,
    On which side are you?
    One Door, and only one,
    And yet its sides are two,
    I’m on the inside,
    On which side are you?
    One Lord, and only one
    And yet the ways are two,
    Right way and wrong way
    On which way are you?
    One Lord, and only one
    And yet its ways are two
    I’m on the right way,
    On which way are you?
    One Book, and only one
    Which tells of places two
    Good place or bad place
    On which place choose you?
    One Book and only one
    Which tells the place is true
    I choose the good place,
    And which place choose you?
    I choose the good place,
    And which place choose you?
    I choose the good place,
    And which place choose you?

  344. jeff1 says:

    Verse 1]
    Why me Lord? What have I ever done
    To deserve even one of the pleasures I’ve known
    Tell me Lord what did I ever do to deserve loving You?
    And the kindness, You’ve shown

    [Verse 2]
    Lord Heavenly Jesus, I’m wasted and
    So help me Jesus, I know what I am
    Now that I know that I needed You so
    Help me Jesus, my soul’s in Your hands

    [Verse 3]
    Try me Lord, if you think there’s a way
    I can ever repay, all I’ve taken from You
    Maybe Lord, I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to You

    [Verse 4]
    Lord Heavenly Jesus, I praise Him
    So help me Jesus, I know what I am, oh yes
    Now that I know that I needed You so
    Help me Jesus, my soul’s in Your hands
    Jesus, my soul’s in Your hands

  345. Beloved says:

    A soul that’s in Jesus’ hands is in a good place.

  346. street says:

    when i get troubled by sin and being human i go to 1 John. it reminds me if we say we have no sin the truth is not in us. it is when we are in Christ we have fellowship with each other not by ourselves! being in Christ is a community/family life event. thinking of the valley of achor.

    recognize them as having been with Jesus.

    today the church, called out ones.

    9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    3 “[b]Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

    5 “Blessed are the [c]gentle, for they will inherit the earth.

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.

    7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.

    8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

    9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

    10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John

    4 Then the angel who had been speaking with me returned and woke me, like a person who is awakened from his sleep. 2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven [a]spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3 also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.” 4 Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5 So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6 Then he said to [b]me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord of armies. 7 ‘What are you, you great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring out the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”

  347. jeff1 says:

    O Love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee:
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    O Light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee:
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day…
    may brighter, fairer be.

    O Joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee:
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain,
    that morn shall tearless be.

    O Cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee:
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground their blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  348. poohpity says:

    When Jesus gave up His last breath the curtain that separated the place that only once a year the priest could enter to make atonement for the sins of the people which was the Holy of Holies into the very presence of God but now all of God’s children are allowed to live “Beyond the Curtain” and stand covered by the blood of the Lamb of God. To me that is the most wondrous place to be in His presence and who could ask for anything more but we are given more we are gifted with the Holy Spirit within us. Nothing we could do on our own would have made that possible but Jesus did it for us if we come to believe in Him. Hallelujah!!

  349. jeff1 says:

    I sing the almighty power of God
    that made the mountains rise,
    that spread the flowing seas abroad,
    and built the lofty skies.

    I sing the wisdom that ordained
    the sun to rule the day;
    the moon shines full at his command,
    and all the stars obey.

    I sing the goodness of the Lord,
    that filled the earth with food;
    he formed the creatures with his word,
    and then pronounced them good.

    Lord, how the wonders are displayed
    where’er I turn mine eye;
    if I survey the ground I tread,
    or gaze upon the sky.

    There’s not a plant or flower below
    but makes thy glories known;
    and clouds arise, and tempests blow,
    by order from thy throne.

    All creatures, numerous as they be,
    are subject to thy care;
    there’s not a place where we can flee
    but God is present there.

    His hand is my perpetual guard;
    he keeps me with his eye:
    why should I then forget the Lord,
    who is for ever nigh?

  350. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, wonderful songs!
    Thank you for sharing, I wish we could sing them together, with instruments too.
    We will in the future, and we will praise God that He made s way for us to enter in His Sanctuary!

    Abraham saw My day and was glad. John 8:56

    John Piper had an article on that bible verse on his website. It is called desiringgod with an org.
    It is an article of April 19, 2021.
    “did Abraham laugh”

    Last time we were talking about Abraham laughing, and I did a search on the bible verses, and I came to the conclusion that Abraham really saw the day of Jesus, and he was glad.
    John Piper had a wonderful article on this. And he comes to the exact same conclusion, and that makes me so joyful.
    Great God, who opens our hearts to His Wonderful Plan, the curtain is the Body of Jesus, through Whom we may come close
    to God.
    Abraham saw that and was glad.
    Isaac means laughter.

    I just wanted to share this.
    For we have talked about the laughter of Abraham.

    I am very very impressed by the meekness of John Piper, he says he has no proof that this is so. But he had a strong sense that John 8:56 is talking about Genesis 17:17 that Jesus talked about.

    And the topic of today on deseringgod is about the Sabbath.
    “Do christians have to keep the Sabbath”

    And I could have written that myself, lol.
    Just trying yo be humble. But this is how God showed it to me, about the Sabbath.

  351. Beloved says:

    All truth is found in the Word of God- we just don’t all see it at the same time.

  352. foreverblessed says:

    That is a wise saying.

  353. foreverblessed says:

    Matthew 11:29
    Jesus says:
    Learn of Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls

  354. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, you mentioned the word in Hebrew for forever.

    Daniel 12:2 multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

    Strong concordance, 5769
    Olam, or Ow-lam, as you said, but the definition of that word is:
    Long duration, futurity
    Just as the Greek word for forever, is ages and ages.

    This is what I knew: there is no word in Hebrew nor in Greek for forever, as we know it in English: forever, meaning: without end.

    There is one statement about God’s Kingdom,
    Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. Isa 9:7

    No end to the increase of God’s Government.
    Well, that is what I call very clear: always and always, without end God will reign, and the reign will increase.

    Could that be, because still more will finally “call on the Name of the Lord”?

    Steve asked a while ago, “what do you think we will do forever?”

    Will we be part in that increase of His Government, that knows no end?

  355. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus is very meek, and so I see that John Piper is.
    We can share our thoughts here, and stay meek.
    I am trying to tell you all, how I came to the thought that the word everlasting must be viewed carefully.

    There are some that say: if this word everlasting does not mean without end, then can we be sure that Jesus will be ruling without end?
    Well, I have no worry about that at all, as it is clearly stated that His rule will be without end.
    Isaiah 9:7
    But now I am repeating myself.

  356. jeff1 says:

    All truth is found in the Word of God- we just don’t all see it at the same time.

    I think that speaks of the working of the indwelling Holy Spirit, maturity levels and our own individualities.

    Today I am thinking of brokenness as I watched a Royal family together for the funeral of Prince Phillip.

    I think of how people are both envious and critical of them i.e. their wealth, power and position and all too ready to air their shortcomings to a public that has by all accounts focused on the Queen rather than the family and found her devotion to her subjects sacrificial and dutiful and she no doubt will go down in history as having served her country admirably.

    Those who revel in their shortcomings hope to discredit them and ensure their downfall but the irony is that they have brought them closer to their subjects because by revealing their brokenness the public has related and consequently feel closer to this family than they ever did before.

    I coming from a working class background would not say I am the fiercest Royalist but I was brought up to understand that the Queen had a position of honor and I was to respect her calling and brought up in the Protestant faith she was to us what the Pope was to Catholics here.

    The Queen whose marriage of 73 years shows a generation who put duty and sacrifice before their own needs.

    Her love for a man who walked behind her for 73 years is seen in a recent photograph that she released for the public on his death.

    Another recent photograph which a photographer aired to the public showed them looking into each others eyes in exactly the same way as they had done when they married 73 years ago.

    There are some truths that stare us in the face and in a broken world like this one I for one am envious of the Queen and its not for her privilege and wealth but for the fact that she had the support of a loving husband for all those years as I have not managed to find such happiness and in truth I believe it is just as much my own shortcomings as the man I am separated from and so I have come to believe that somethings are meant to be and some are not.

    Love is a many splendored thing
    It’s the April rose that only grows in the early spring
    Love is nature’s way of giving a reason to be living
    The golden crown that makes a man a king

    Once on a high and windy hill, in the morning mist
    Two lovers kissed and the world stood still
    Then your fingers touched my silent heart and taught it how to sing
    Yes, true love’s a many splendored thing

    Oh, once on a high and windy hill, in the morning mist
    Two lovers kissed and the world stood still
    Then your fingers touched my silent heart and taught it how to sing
    Yes, true love’s a many splendored thing

  357. foreverblessed says:

    Part of what I wrote is lost, so I will add it here again:

    I was going to tell you why I am so busy with the word:
    forever or everlasting.
    That is because my church of my youth did see the Covenant with Israel as everlasting, and so the 4th commandment was taken literal: the seventh day, and not only that, also all the Sabbaths, for there are weekly Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths. Leviticus 24. And to add, I did not do that so as to earn my salvation, but because I thought that this is what God asked from us.
    An everlasting covenant

    Exodus 31:16
    The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.
    Lasting the word o.w.lam
    but the lasting was not without end,
    This covenant ended with the Cross,
    where we remember Jesus, when we drink of the cup,
    the blood of the New Covenant. Matthew 26:28

    So the word o.w.lam is used here. But the implications are not as was expected. It does not mean forever and ever and ever, without end.

    Paul has given extensive instruction in his letters that even for the Jews, that have put on Christ, do not have to keep days literally. Col 2:6-23, Hebrews 4:1-12
    See also the study on desiringgod of April 20.

  358. poohpity says:

    I think that the reason we were given the law was to show us our inability to keep it. (Romans 3:20 NLT)

    Forever, you mentioned singing together that is one of many reason I like going to church and it sure isn’t the same listening and watching over zoom or on TV. On Resurrection Sunday that is when I started going back to in person church and Sunday school. Boy the difference is night and day than the isolation brought on by zoom or TV. I missed it so very much.

  359. poohpity says:

    I learned this morning on Discover the Word which is about the “Compassion of Jesus” for the next few weeks. They taught that what we care about the most is what we talk about and that when we have the love of Christ in our hearts it overflows towards others.

    They also taught that Jesus talks about His Father the most and did it by using the many parables to get the character of God across to those listening and specifically His compassion because after all Jesus said that He came to reveal the Father. (John 1:18 NLT)

  360. jeff1 says:

    God is working his purpose out as year succeeds to year:
    God is working his purpose out, and the day is drawing near:
    nearer and nearer draws the time, the time that shall surely be,
    when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God,
    as the waters cover the sea.

    2 From utmost east to utmost west, where human feet have trod,
    by the mouth of many messengers rings out the voice of God:
    ‘Give ear to me, you continents, you isles, give ear to me,
    that the earth may be filled with the glory of God,
    as the waters cover the sea.’

    3 What can we do to work God’s work, to prosper and increase
    love and justice throughout the world, the reign of the Prince of Peace?
    What can we do to hasten the time, the time that shall surely be
    when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God,
    as the waters cover the sea?

    4 March we forth in the strength of God, with the banner of Christ unfurled,
    that the light of the glorious gospel of truth may shine throughout the world;
    fight we the fight with sorrow and sin to set their captives free,
    that the earth may be filled with the glory of God,
    as the waters cover the sea.

    5 All we can do is nothing worth unless God blesses the deed;
    vainly we hope for the harvest-tide till God gives life to the seed:
    yet nearer and nearer draws the time, the time that shall surely be,
    when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God,
    as the waters cover the sea.

  361. Beloved says:

    Purpose of the Law


    19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

    21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

    Sons and Heirs

    26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Galatians 3:24 In a household, the guardian responsible for the care and discipline of the children

  362. Beloved says:

    I too used to hate the Law but now I understand it better and can say as Paul did that I too love the law! It was Gods goodness that taught Israel what He expects to be truly one of His children, His Beloved! We see that Jesus whom we love by faith, not by keeping the Law, has redeemed us from our sinfulness (because we being imperfect could not keep the Law) forever and ever!!!! Amen

  363. jeff1 says:

    Great God, your love has called us here,
    as we, by love for love were made.
    Your living likeness still we bear,
    though marred, dishonored, disobeyed.
    We come, with all our heart and mind
    your call to hear, your love to find.

    2 We come with self-inflicted pains
    of broken trust and chosen wrong,
    half-free, half-bound by inner chains,
    by social forces swept along,
    by powers and systems close confined,
    yet seeking hope for humankind.

    3 Great God, in Christ you call our name
    and then receive us as your own,
    not through some merit, right or claim,
    but by your gracious love alone.
    We strain to glimpse your mercy-seat
    and find you kneeling at our feet.

    4 Then take the towel, and break the bread,
    and humble us, and call us friends.
    Suffer and serve till all are fed,
    and show how grandly love intends
    to work till all creation sings,
    to fill all worlds, to crown all things.

    5 Great God, in Christ you set us free
    your life to live, your joy to share.
    Give us your Spirit’s liberty
    to turn from guilt and dull despair
    and offer all that faith can do
    while love is making all things new.

    based on John 13: 1-17; Romans 3: 21-26

  364. Beloved says:

    We are all sinners by birth- yet by being born again we are saved from the consequences of sin. Separation from God.

  365. jeff1 says:

    ‘Forgive our sins as we forgive’,
    you taught us, Lord, to pray;
    but you alone can grant us grace
    to live the words we say.

    2 How can your pardon reach and bless
    the unforgiving heart
    that broods on wrongs, and will not let
    old bitterness depart?

    3 In blazing light your cross reveals
    the truth we dimly knew:
    what trivial debts are owed to us,
    how great our debt to you!

    4 Lord, cleanse the depths within our souls
    and bid resentment cease.
    Then, bound to all in bonds of love,
    our lives will spread your peace.

    based on Matthew 6: 12

  366. street says:

    been thinking about antinomianism, lawlessness or following your own heart, and legalism, following the law. i am reminded God is a person and we are made in His image. seems we need another way forward or way to live, beyond the curtain, flesh. thinking of Romans where people lived apart from the law and died, people lived under the law and died. new way of living in Christ? of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. no law against love joy peace patients kindness faithfulness gentleness self control mercy and grace.

  367. street says:

    7 Now when they told Jotham, he went and stood on the top of Mount Gerizim, and raised his voice and called out. And he said to them, “Listen to me, you [i]leaders of Shechem, that God may listen to you. 8 Once the trees went to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us!’ 9 But the olive tree said to them, ‘Shall I give up my fatness with [j]which God and mankind are honored, and go to wave over the trees?’ 10 Then the trees said to the fig tree, ‘You, come, reign over us!’ 11 But the fig tree said to them, ‘Shall I give up my sweetness and my good [k]fruit, and go to wave over the trees?’ 12 Then the trees said to the vine, ‘You, come, reign over us!’ 13 But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I give up my new wine, which cheers God and mankind, and go to wave over the trees?’ 14 Then all the trees said to the bramble, ‘You, come, reign over us!’ 15 And the bramble said to the trees, ‘If you [l]really are anointing me as king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, may fire come out of the bramble and consume the cedars of Lebanon.’

    16 “Now then, if you have acted with [m]honesty and integrity in making Abimelech king, and if you have dealt well with Jerubbaal and his house, and [n]have dealt with him [o]as he deserved— 17 for my father fought for you, and [p]risked his life and saved you from the hand of Midian; 18 but in fact you have risen against my father’s house today and have killed his sons, seventy men, on one stone, and have made Abimelech, the son of his female slave, king over the [q]leaders of Shechem, because he is your relative— 19 so if you have acted with [r]honesty and integrity toward Jerubbaal and his house this day, be joyful about Abimelech, and may he also be joyful about you. 20 But if not, may fire come out of Abimelech and consume the [s]leaders of Shechem and [t]Beth-millo; and may fire come out of the [u]leaders of Shechem and from [v]Beth-millo, and consume Abimelech.” 21 Then Jotham escaped and fled, and went to Beer; and he stayed there because of his brother Abimelech.

  368. Beloved says:

    Antinomianism, then, is conviction-less Christianity. It sees repentance as a single event, not to be repeated. Walk the aisle and then just wait for heaven. Sermons are no longer to expose our sins, allowing us to admit our faults and confess them freely. The Christian life is more about ignoring sin and resting on a foggy concept of grace.

    Gospel Coalition

  369. Beloved says:

    i am reminded God is a person and we are made in His image.

    This statement startles me. I’ve always heard God is Spirit and became flesh (Jesus). Scripture says Jesus was still flesh though also spirit before His ascension. ie, eating fish and walking through doors. It’s always puzzled me. I’ve always seen a disconnect between Jesus and the Father. Moses could not see God or he would die. Jesus said, if you have seen me you have seen the Father. ?!?

    The more I think about God being a person suddenly warms and comforts this battle weary life I live. Imago Deo Yes we are, that I believe. Now, on to the big question “What does God look like?”

  370. jeff1 says:

    Peace, perfect peace, in this dark world of sin?
    The blood of Jesus whispers peace within.

    2 Peace, perfect peace, by thronging duties pressed?
    To do the will of Jesus, this is rest.

    3 Peace, perfect peace, with sorrows surging round?
    In Jesus’ presence naught but calm is found.

    4 Peace, perfect peace, with loved ones far away?
    In Jesus’ keeping we are safe and they.

    5 Peace, perfect peace, our future all unknown?
    Jesus we know, and he is on the throne.

    6 Peace, perfect peace, death shadowing us and ours?
    Jesus has conquered death and all its powers.

    7 It is enough: earth’s struggles soon shall cease,
    and Jesus call us to heaven’s perfect peace.

    based on Isaiah 26: 3

  371. Beloved says:

    As Kingfishers Catch Fire
    As kingfishers catch fire, dragonflies draw flame;
    As tumbled over rim in roundy wells
    Stones ring; like each tucked string tells, each hung bell’s
    Bow swung finds tongue to fling out broad its name;
    Each mortal thing does one thing and the same:
    Deals out that being indoors each one dwells;
    Selves — goes itself; myself it speaks and spells,
    Crying Whát I dó is me: for that I came.

    I say móre: the just man justices;
    Keeps grace: thát keeps all his goings graces;
    Acts in God’s eye what in God’s eye he is —
    Chríst — for Christ plays in ten thousand places,
    Lovely in limbs, and lovely in eyes not his
    To the Father through the features of men’s faces.

    This poem I’ve loved for a long time. It settles the matter I was talking about earlier. Love how God always has the last word as my thoughts wander…

  372. poohpity says:

    From how I understand God He is Spirit so that would mean there is no distinct form (John 4:24). When the bible says we are created in their image I believe it had more to do with relational things and creativity and the ability to think and feel not necessarily to appear like God but those are just my thoughts.

    Jesus was also fully human and as well fully divine. It was His physical form that was resurrected and sits at the right hand of God the Father. There was a book that was turned into a movie that Mart brought up a long time ago called “The Shack” to me it was the best explanation of the Trinity I have seen, it made it more understandable. If anyone has yet to see it, it will really bless you.

  373. Beloved says:

    I read The Shack when it first came out and while it was a heart wrenching story I think the author took some liberties with the Trinity that I didn’t agree with.

  374. foreverblessed says:

    They will neither harm nor destroy on all My Holy Mountain,
    for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the water cover the sea.
    Isa 11:9

    The song you have about that verse Jeff, I send it to my mother, and she send me back a emoji with two big hearts where the eyes are. This bible verse is one of the great favorites of her, and so she really liked the song as well
    April 21, 7.18 am

  375. foreverblessed says:

    The wolf will live with the lamb,
    the leopard will lie down with the goat,
    the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
    and a little child will lead them.
    The cow will feed with the bear,
    their young will lie down together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
    The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
    and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
    They will neither harm nor destroy
    on all my holy mountain,
    for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
    as the waters cover the sea.

    Isaiah 11:6-9
    That was a beautiful passage! I liked it myself as a child, our church had a logo with a child and a lion and a lamb.
    All looking to something far away.
    When I came to a deeper faith, my quest was to see now Today, that Jesus is here, right beside me, and in my heart.

    Beloved, you gave the verse about Philip:
    “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us”.
    John 14:8.
    O dear, Philip had Jesus right beside him, and still was looking for some more, a great revelation of God the Father, like Moses had asked for.
    Are we like that? We have Jesus right here with us, in the Spirit, and we just miss it, we want a great vision. Or Jesus coming back, with a new world, where the lion and the lamb aresitting together, and a child leading them?

    That question must have been heart renting to Jesus. I liked it how Oswald Chambers describes it. Good for me to think about.

    God looks for us to worship Him in Spirit and in truth

  376. foreverblessed says:

    17 And the Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.”

    18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

    19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
    Exodus 33:17-20

    Now this point: no one can see Me and live.
    This is true for every christian:
    We accept Jesus as our Savior and we die!

    But thanks, we immediately rise with Him too, in newness of life.
    A spiritual life now:

    Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptisms into His death?
    We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the Glory of the Father, we too may live a new Life.
    Romans 6:3-4

  377. foreverblessed says:

    Now about the Body of Christ, what ever it looks like, one thing is sure;
    By the Word of God we were put in Him.

    We were in Jesus on the Cross, we were in Him when He was dead and in the grave, or hades, and we were raised with Him.
    And it is even more lofty:
    We are placed with Jesus in the heavenly realms.

    Ephesians 2:6-7
    And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms IN Christ Jesus

    That is the truth, that God may open our eyes, that we may see this spiritual reality, while I am washing socks, and cleaning the dust with a vacuum cleaner.
    Praising God, and thanking Him for all he has done.

  378. foreverblessed says:

    Thanksgiving and Prayer

    15 For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all God’s people, 16 I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
    Ephesians 1:15-23

  379. foreverblessed says:

    o whatever Jesus body looks like, we are put in Him, and the mystery is even greater:
    The church is the body of Jesus
    The church which is His body, the fullness of Him Who fills everything in every way.

    God shows Himself in a believer.
    In the Body of believers.
    Which is the Church, the Body of Christ.

    Do we see that?
    The Glory of God expressed on earth,
    A river going out from our bellies, filling the earth,
    The water stream had started, and it will be bigger and bigger, till the earth is covered as waters cover the sea.

  380. poohpity says:

    Beloved, what were the liberties with the Trinity that you did not agree with?

  381. jeff1 says:

    Behold, the mountain of the Lord.
    In latter days shall rise
    On mountaintops, above the hills,
    And draw the wondering eyes.

    To this shall joyful nations round.
    All tribes and tongues shall flow.
    “Up to the hill of God,” they’ll say,
    “And to his house we’ll go.”

    The beam that shines form Zion’s hill
    Shall lighten every land,
    The King who reigns in Salem’s tower
    Shall all the world command.

    Among the nations he shall judge,
    His judgements truth shall guide,
    His sceptre shall protect the just.
    And quell the sinner’s pride.

    No strife shall rage, nor hostile feuds.
    Disturb those peaceful years.
    To ploughshares men shall beat their swords,
    To pruning hooks their spears.

    Come, then, O house of Jacob, come,
    To worship at His shrine,
    And, walking in the light of God,
    With holy beauties shine.

    based on Isaiah 2: 2-6; Micah 4: 1-5

  382. poohpity says:

    Forever, it seems that it maybe confusing in the understanding of death to new life and what that actually means when things are said like, “We accept Jesus as our Savior and we die!”.

  383. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, that is true, but you left out the next sentence though


    The point I wanted to make is this one:

    “Nobody can see Me and live”

    Indeed that still is true!

    we see Christ and believe in Him.
    Result: our old man dies: with Him on the Cross into the grave and immediately raised with Him to Newness of life.

  384. Beloved says:

    Hi friends, Pooh I don’t want to get into trinity too much room for misunderstanding.

  385. poohpity says:

    Beloved I did not ask you to get into the theology of the Trinity just what you read in the Shack you did not agree with.

    Forever, seems still confusing.

  386. Beloved says:

    Sorry I don’t want to discuss it here. I shouldn’t have said anything.

  387. Beloved says:

    I’ve been listening to a British lawyer who has been investigating Satanic cults and he said that people involved in them believe 1. They are gods 2. Being gods they can do anything they want to do. 3. Therefore, the Law or laws do not apply to them. This was really profound to hear. My thoughts went back to the garden, Moses with the tablets and Israel’s downfall.

    Thinking where would we be without laws? It’s mind boggling. Praising God for not just creating a world with people then letting it go on its own way. It’s bad enough though. Come quickly, LORD Jesus

  388. street says:

    been thinking about questions?

    does faithfulness gentleness and self control come from the flesh?

    does patience kindness and goodness come from the old man?

    does love joy peace come from the will of man?

  389. jeff1 says:

    I find a lot of questions answered in this hymn.

    There’s a wideness in God’s mercy
    like the wideness of the sea;
    there’s a kindness in his justice
    which is more than liberty.

    There is no place where earth’s sorrows
    are more keenly felt than heaven;
    there is no place where earth’s failings
    have such gracious judgement given.

    There is plentiful redemption
    through the blood that Christ has shed;
    there is joy for all the members
    in the sorrows of the Head.

    For the love of God is broader
    than the measures of our mind,
    and the heart of the Eternal
    is most wonderfully kind.

    But we make his love too narrow
    by false limits of our own;
    and we magnify his strictness
    with a zeal he will not own.

    If our love were but more simple,
    we should take him at his word,
    and our lives would fill with gladness
    in the presence of the Lord.

  390. poohpity says:

    To me it is a hard thing to do to put to death; my control, my self reliance, doing things my way, my self righteousness, my thinking, my understanding and submitting my life and will over to God. It is hard because for one thing I think I can do things better than anyone else can BUT God showed me I can’t. Not because I did not try to but by showing me the results would be much better in the long run giving everything over to someone who knows better and cares more than my little biased view. It is a process of putting to death the old way I lived my life to satisfy my senses and living instead to satisfy the Spirit, new life given to me by someone who loves me more than anything I could have ever imagined and know what is just and right and shows me mercy as I walk humbly with HIM.

  391. poohpity says:

    Born again not by the flesh but by His Spirit. Baptism is the outward sign that I have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb and raised to a new and better life, living in a relationship with God.

  392. jeff1 says:

    This Psalm comes to mind:

    1 God be merciful unto us and bless us;
    and shew us the light of his countenance, and be merciful unto us,
    2 That thy way may be known upon earth,
    thy saving health among all nations.
    3 Let the people praise thee O God,
    yea let all the people praise thee.
    4 O let the nations rejoice and be glad;
    for thou shalt judge the folk righteously,
    and govern the nations upon earth.
    5 Let the people praise thee O God,
    yea, let all the people praise thee.
    6 Then shall the earth bring forth her increase,
    and God, even our own God, shall give us his blessing.
    7 God shall bless us;
    and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

    Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the
    Holy Spirit; as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

  393. Beloved says:

    Hello friends! Thinking of baptism, I heard that when we read our Bibles it is like washing our minds everyday. We get up and wash our bodies every day, right?

  394. poohpity says:

    Who did you hear that from? Does that happen when you read the bible?

  395. SFDBWV says:

    Viv since you consider yourself to be more British than Irish I hope you will find this quote I stumbled upon from Sigmund Freud as humorous as did I. I do hope it is not offensive in any way.

    “This (the Irish) is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever.”
    Sigmund Freud

    Come to think about it, that quote may fit a lot of people no matter what ethnic group they may fit in.

    Foreverblessed since you live in a land filled with flowers you may understand my angst when I say the only flowers we have as yet are the bright yellow daffodil’s as even they are hardy enough to withstand the very cold night time temps we have been having. Well below freezing as it is as I write (27 f).

    Joyce there is an old saying we used to say when I was in the Marine’s, “Every day is a holiday, and every meal a feast.”

    Yes I think we should start of each day fresh, a new day a new beginning.

    Perhaps giving thanks for being washed in the blood.

    Praying all have a super excellent day.


  396. jeff1 says:

    Perhaps if we read the Bible as we should then it would have the desired effect of washing our minds.

    Unfortunately in my own lifetime I have not met too many that I would say interpreted the Bible to that purpose.

    To some extent I would say that my dad who referenced his Bible more than he understood it had a much more Godly interpretation than those who could quote you chapter and verse.

    I know that my dad went with sincerity of heart to seek guidance in his own life rather than to argue a point of disagreement with another believer and that is because he was not an opinionated man but humble in his approach to his faith.

    He kept it simple and his words and actions were that of someone who put others needs before his own and I believe that is what he seen as living a life pleasing to God.

    If I were to compare my own walk with my dads I would say his was second nature to him while I have always felt I try too hard and fail miserably.

    My dad made it look easy but walking with God is a gift from Him and I believe it comes with a sincerity of heart rather than a conformed mind.

  397. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I have always considered myself British/Irish as opposed to British/Scottish, British/Welsh or British/English.

    That is before I learned I was more Ulster Scots in genealogy and then when I consider my mother whom according to my dad had Spanish ancestry I realize things are never as black and white as they first seem.

    From my own observations I would say getting an Irish person to consider psychoanalysis would be a challenge in itself as to whether it would be effective or not!

    My grandmother back in the day had cures for simple ailments like headaches, sprains, warts and heart failure.

    People from all over came to her and I recall her telling me that it was a two way faith i.e. she administering must have faith that it works and the patient must also.

    I think she must have knew that there were skeptics who came to her and so what she was saying is that if the healing failed it was their lack of faith and not the healing process.

    I often think it may be the same with God as I have always seen myself as a doubting Thomas more than a feisty Peter but I hang on to the fact that Thomas came out all right in the end.

    I enjoy humor Steve though us Northern Irish are known for our black humor and as you can imagine that is not always understood.

    Personally I think laughter is the best medicine and why I love watching comedy and we have had some magnificent British comedy over the years that I have thoroughly enjoyed.

    I think you are right Steve about starting each day afresh but I think I should aim to do better as I find with myself anyway there is always room for improvement.

    Hope you all have a blessed day, Steve.

  398. poohpity says:

    Reading the bible for me shows me that God pursues a relationship with people and just how many unique personalities there are all with different proclivities but God shows His mercy and relates with each one differently but still holds true to Himself.

    I can not begin to tell you how laughter can change my state of mind especially the kind of comedy that makes light of our human condition. I find the Avengers series a crack up and I see in each character the different proclivities that are common to human nature.

    In my classes to become a counselor we had to study all the main theories about the human condition but I would have to say I learned more about that just from reading the bible and I shared that with my classmates only to have them react with very strong emotions when the bible was even mentioned. To say the least I don’t think they would have ever considered that as part of the curriculum to learn about people, go figure, lol. Why learn about people from the One who created them, lol.

  399. SFDBWV says:

    Viv I would have to say that the British TV comedies I have been exposed to are far and above better than American TV at every level.

    I don’t get to watch much TV as I let Matt have the control and he likes things he is familiar with. However the times I do get to watch those British comedies and some dramas I enjoy them much more than American television.

    A few I can recall as I write are “Waiting on God”, “Summer Wine” and “Murder in Paradise”. And of course “Benny Hill” and “Mr. Bean”.

    Oh well thanks for the memories and a little smile.


  400. jeff1 says:

    My favorites, Steve, are ‘Dad’s Army’, ‘Keeping Up Appearances’, ‘Only Fools and Horses’ and ‘Mr Bean’ (what a talent to be a one man show).

    There are so many more I can think of that have brought me joy over the years (a bit of nostalgia good for the soul).

    My dad’s was ‘Last of the Summer Wine’ you mentioned and he loved ‘Tommy Cooper’ a stand up comedian died on stage if I recall.

    My son is quite into the American ones like ‘Friends’ I quite like it myself and there’s one he keeps watching when he comes to visit I think the main character has autism but I cannot remember the title but it cracks him up.

    Glad you enjoyed.

  401. Beloved says:

    Good morning friends! Just an update my sacroiliac joint is still hurting like crazy so going to try some physical therapy to see if it will help.

    Also, about washing with the word…

    “One of the many benefits of water is its cleansing ability—not only on our bodies but in them as well. We read of this in Paul’s first-century letter to his friends in Ephesus. In Ephesians 5:25–26, he reminded them of how deeply Christ is committed to the church, the body of believers: “Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word.””

    Just as clear, fresh water cleanses our bodies, God’s written Word washes us clean deep down inside our souls. It purifies our thoughts, scrubs our motives, and cleans our conscience as we absorb it and obey its truths.

    Stop and read the first 10 verses of Psalm51. Notice how many times David asked the Lord to cleanse him within. Linger at those references, and make each one of them your prayer today.

    God’s Word purifies our thoughts and motives as we absorb and obey its truths.

    — Charles R. Swindoll

  402. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I think we have to accept it is the times we live in and that not everyone believes God did create them so if they don’t then the Bible holds no value to them.

    The Bible itself speaks of God’s inclusiveness when it comes to interaction with people so to my way of thinking God is always working His ways to draw others to Him.

    I think this verse speaks of our ignorance of God regardless of how well we may think we know Him.

    But we make his love too narrow
    by false limits of our own;
    and we magnify his strictness
    with a zeal he will not own.

    God still knows all of His creation better than anyone and that’s a reality we need to come to terms with and it’s His call on how He brings others in from the cold to my way of thinking anyway.

  403. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, for sharing that. I was busy studying Eph 6:25-26 too.
    Many commentators have said something about it:
    The washing of the initial baptism, it could mean.
    And the washing by the Word, through the Holy Spirit.
    But probably both meanings are to be the the meaning of this bible passage:
    Both of them
    1-the baptism in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
    2- the cleansing by the Word through the Holy Spirit.

    As 1 Peter 3:21-22 days the same:

    and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand- with angels, authorities and powers in submission to Him.
    1 Peter 3:21-22

    And the High Priestly prayer of Jesus
    John 17:17
    Sanctify them by the Truth, Your Word is Truth.

  404. foreverblessed says:

    Another bible passage and the washing is Titus 3:5-6

    He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Saviour.

    Also both of them, the baptism and the pouring out of the Spirit, all though here is nothing said about the Word.

  405. foreverblessed says:

    And to make it complete: Water, Jesus and the Cross and the Blood, and the Holy Spirit 1 John 5:6-8

    This is the One who came by water and blood- Jesus Christ.
    He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement.

  406. Beloved says:

    Yes, a clear conscience, I Peter 3:21 I was thinking of that verse also. God knows how to prick our conscience yet it’s so helpful to read the word to know why our consciences are unsettled if it hasn’t been seared and given over to our own sinful ways. Sometimes it’s easy to get distracted by many duties and responsibilities or just enjoyments and when getting back into the Bible we remember that God thinks so differently from the world.

    Yes there are many who don’t believe He exists so would not carry a Bible around. But, I’ve seen many change their tune when faced with overwhelming circumstances such as prison. And, there is the son of a well know pastor (Piper) who once claimed to know Christ but has renounced the faith completely, denying that God exists and has been excommunicated from the church.

  407. foreverblessed says:

    Things can seem complicated, but let me tell you a story:

    Several years ago, in the church house group we were praying, together, and someone had asked prayer for her father and brother, who were letting in the literally laws of the Old Testament again, they were saying they set aside the teachings of Paul, who talked about following the Spirit, and so fulfilling the law of love.
    While we were praying I saw a vision:
    First the brother, he was standing there and the water came from above, like a whirlwind going round and round her brother, the water it seemed, but it could be the Spirit, it was light and blue, and the whirling was very very fast, like a washing machine that is spinning the water out.
    I was looking at it, and was so surprised: that the washing was thorough and intense, but not harmful. The man stood still and was not washed away. But cleansed.
    After that I saw the father, the same whirlwind 🌪️.as water.

  408. Beloved says:

    Also- when a spear was thrust into Jesus’ side both blood AND water came out. Always wondered about that. Blood you’d expect but water?

  409. foreverblessed says:

    Hallo Beloved, you are here too!
    Yes that spear, and the side of Jesus, water and blood.
    Street has mentioned that once, some time ago. What the truth about that is to us.

  410. Beloved says:

    Do you recall what he said? I don’t.

  411. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, thanks for the flowers, lol
    It has been much too warm here in March, record temperature March 31, 26 °C, that’s most wonderful warmth, that was just before White Thursday and Good Friday. but then the cold came. And snow and frost at night.
    There were already young birds on March 28, how is that possible?
    But since April 1 it has been too cold. The young birds are still alive, I have given the parents bread, because of the cold and the snow.
    The Father bird doesn’t feed the young birds anymore, in fact, he is chasing them bout of our garden. But the mother bird stays alongside them, she doesn’t feed them but goes through the garden, picking here and picking there, letting the young one go with her, and start picking too.
    The Father bird is much harsher, the mother bird shows more concern.

  412. Beloved says:

    Forever do you ever paint your “visions”? No comparison between you and him but a pagan writer (King) writes horror stories from his dreams. As you are an artist I was just wondering.

  413. foreverblessed says:

    Hallo Beloved, no I don’t paint them.
    I made a small drawing in pencil, for the person who had asked for the prayer.
    Just like a sunset, I don’t paint them, they are not to be matched. Nothing can come close to the real sight.
    Not that I will never paint them.

    In fact, I don’t paint very much. Maybe like Johannes Vermeer, he only painted 30 paintings, or at least that is what is left of them. 30 very very good paintings.
    But drawing in my sketch book is what I do.
    And helping the elderly to paint and make photo pictures, with scissors cutting nature pictures from birds and animals, and making a “collage” what is the word in English.

  414. poohpity says:

    Thank you Beloved for answering my question. I learn new things all the time.

  415. poohpity says:

    Beloved, there are times I get confused in scripture whether they are using “The Word” speaking of Jesus (John 1:1) or “the word” referring to scripture.

  416. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I did not carry a bible when I was going to college I was just beginning my walk with the Lord however I had already read the bible daily and saw the correlation between what I studied and what was taught in the bible. When I got a car I did have several in the car to give out and now I have a few little new testaments in my purse to give out as well as tracks about the Salvation of Jesus. I used to have magnetic signs on my car that said, “God wants you to know Him, read the bible. Honk if you need one” I gave out over 2 cases in English and 1 in Spanish of “Life Application” bibles.

  417. foreverblessed says:

    The first tot our guilty conscience:

    Hebrews 9:14
    How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

    Hebrews 10:19-22
    Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place, by the blood of Jesus by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, His Body, and since we have a high priest over the house of God, let us draw near
    in the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

  418. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I didn’t proofread:
    The cure for our guilty conscience
    Hebrews 9:14, 10:22

  419. Beloved says:

    Pooh yes I recall you sharing about distributing Bibles. As for confusion regarding the word “word” this comes to mind.

    John 3: You Must Be Born Again

    1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.”

    3Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    4Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

    5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

    I see Nicodemus asking the right question and receiving what to him was a confusing answer. At the time. Yet he broke custom and the law and participated in Jesus burial.
    John 19:38-42

  420. Beloved says:

    Jesus Is Buried
    John 19:38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took away his body. 39 Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds in weight. 40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. 41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.

  421. Beloved says:

    ◄ 1 Timothy 4 ►
    A Warning against Apostasy
    1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

  422. foreverblessed says:

    The printed word and the Living Word.
    For me, it is very very important that the written word is breathed in by the Spirit, otherwise you can get anything out of the bible, the written word.

    That verse in 1 Tim 4:1-4
    The demons and deceiving spirits know the Bible too, they lure people into all sorts of laws from the Old Testament, about food, clean and unclean food, and make even very serious christian people believe that that is what God wants, even so with the keeping of all the days, Col 2:16-17

    Yes, and I was one of them. But thanks be to God, who showed the Spirit of the written Word: that is Jesus Himself, the Living Word, if I live in faith in Him, His Spirit lives in me and makes me new, no law is against that. No law can do that.

    So the blood of Christ cleansed my conscious.
    I am cleared of feeling guilty, I am forgiven, and now live in the Spirit. And days and foods, are matter of this earth, earthly, and do not not last.
    They perish, Col 2:22

    Paul calls them: basic principles nog this world: days and food.
    They lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
    Col 2:6-23

    But they, sensual indulgence, are mortified by the Spirit.
    If is by living in the Spirit that we mortify the reeds of the body. Not by keeping of certain days, of abstaining from certain foods. ( All though to eat healthy us wise lol)

  423. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, I was thinking about Nicodemus last night..
    About the water and the word.
    But this passage is about the water and the Spirit. John 3:1-21

    Water, Word, Spirit,

    I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

    Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in Him.
    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoso believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

  424. foreverblessed says:

    Commentary on Hebrews 10:22, by Matthew Poole

    And our bodies washed with pure water;
    the body (as the priests were under the law washed before their service) is the outward man, which is, as well as the soul, to be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, and cleansd from all filthiness of flesh: these corrupt members of the old man must be put off, and mortified by the Spirit of God, before they can be fit to approach to worship him, Ezekiel 36:25 1 Corinthians 6:11,19,20 2 Corinthians 7:1 1John 3:3.

    So far the commentary, and this is about mortifying through the Spirit, Romans 8:13
    But if by the Spirit you put to death ( mortify) the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those that are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

  425. undefined says:

    I think Jesus washing the disciples feet was to show what would happen spiritually after He was crucified. He gave so much information that they could not understand spiritually until the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus

  426. undefined says:

    Ok, this is beloved. I don’t know what “undefined” is but it’s me!! WordPress is getting stranger and stranger..

  427. undefined says:

    I tried to change my password and it will only accept my old one and now I’m “undefined” I guess. Lol

  428. jeff1 says:

    Our great Redeemer, as he breathed
    his tender last farewell,
    a guide, a Comforter, bequeathed
    with us to dwell.

    2 He came in tongues of living flame
    to teach, convince, subdue;
    unseen as rushing wind he came—
    as powerful too.

    3 He comes his influence to impart,
    a gracious, willing guest,
    when he can find one humble heart
    where he may rest.

    4 And every virtue we possess,
    and every victory won,
    and every thought of holiness
    are his alone.

    5 Spirit of purity and grace,
    our weakness, pitying, see;
    and make our hearts they dwelling-place
    and worthier thee.

  429. poohpity says:

    Joyce, you crack me up. You do win the award for being the only one to change their name so many times or at all for that matter.

  430. jeff1 says:

    GRACIOUS Spirit, Holy Ghost,
    taught by thee, we covet most
    of the gifts at Pentecost,
    holy, heavenly love.

    2 Faith that mountains could remove,
    tongues of earth or heaven above,
    knowledge, all things, empty prove
    if I have not love.

    3 Though I as a martyr bleed,
    give my goods the poor to feed,
    all in vain, if love I need;
    therefore give me love.

    4 Love is kind and suffers long,
    love is meek and thinks no wrong,
    love than death itself more strong;
    therefore give us love.

    5 Prophecy will fade away,
    melting in the light of day;
    love will ever with us stay;
    therefore give us love.

    6 Faith and hope and love we see
    joining hand in hand agree;
    but the greatest of the three,
    and the best is love.

    based on 1 Corinthians 13

  431. bullwinkle11 says:

    Yesterday there was a great discussion, thank you all for your commentary and insight. Last week our small group was focusing on Hebrews 10:19-25. A question arose about the sprinkling mentioned in verse 22. Appreciate Matthew Poole’s commentary.
    FYI: I had to change my user name when I lost my password, but that was because I had also changed email and could not get a link to recover my old username.

  432. poohpity says:

    same name just added the numbers. There is nothing wrong with doing that it is just different and there is nothing wrong with being different.

  433. foreverblessed says:

    Oh dear Beloved, I was excited, I thought there was a new contributor! Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate you being here very much! 💖

    Thank you bullwinkle for sharing.
    I found a website, in search for the topic:
    to kill the old man Rom 8:13.

    An article called:
    Entering God’s rest.
    vacsf that goes with an org
    Vietnamese alliance christians san francisco.
    They talk about that same passage in Hebrews, only they start a little earlier:
    Hebrews 10:17-22
    Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.
    And when these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins.
    Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,…

    They connect this to entering in the Rest.
    The Rest of Christ, that has started since He said: “It is finished”

    No amount a law keeping can help a person:
    Citing the article:

    “Every time a point is being made about God’s grace, or His unconditional love, or the total forgiveness of their sins, they raise their objections: “Such unrestricted forgiveness of sins will give people a license to sin.” They mistakenly believe that the law will keep the believers in the straight and narrow, that the guilt of sin will reduce the sinful proclivity in their hearts. The truth is the law actually arouses sinful passions (Romans 7:5). Its effect is contrary to the hope of those who rely on it.”

    The law had its use to bring us to Christ. Now that we are IN Him, we have to focus on Christ, and about the fact of His Body and His Blood.

    What God’s Word says about the Body and the Blood.

  434. foreverblessed says:

    We were also talking about the old man dead. Or killing the old man.
    Pooh found it confusing what I wrote.

    But it is the point that Mart brought up with Aquinas, the vision of the Body and Blood of Jesus.

    The Blood we get all right, all though it is still hard to grasp that all our sins are forgiven, and that our conscience is clean, there is no more guild, all is forgiven.
    In many ways the Blood of Jesus closed, and cleansed us healed us, 7 times, it is written in the Old Testament.
    Leviticus 16:1-34
    Lev 16:14,19

  435. undefined says:

    It was too hard to change so decided “undefined” works just fine for me. Started with quiet grace then joycemb (I think) then beloved now the admin has determined undefined. Suits me don’t ya think Pooh? Or you can call me Joyce- whatever.

  436. foreverblessed says:

    The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ

    The Blood is forgiveness of sins
    The Body deals with our sinful state.
    The Fallen man in Adam.

    We cannot kill our old man, it is already dead.

    Because God has put us in the Body of Christ, on the Cross, in the Grave, and raised us with Him into Newness of life.
    We only have to realize we cannot work ourselves to death, only accept the fact that we already bare dead.
    We can Rest in the total work of Jesus Body.

    It is finished.

    Then why do we struggle with sin so much?
    That is a good question.
    Very good one.

    And that is why I think it is so good to have the work of the Cross as central theme in our walk with Christ.
    Because we have died we can be raised into Newness of Life through the Spirit.

    Put to death through the Spirit….

    One example
    Instead of thinking angry thoughts, ( about the virus, or the measurements taken against the virus)
    we can turn our eyes to Jesus, give our anger to Him and wait on Him remembering how merciful He was to us.

  437. undefined says:

    Forever it may be your mystical writing that makes it confusing for some who go by scripture alone. Just thinking.

  438. foreverblessed says:

    This Hebrews 10:17-22
    In full assurance, by the blood of Jesus, through the curtain, that is His Body, we go through the body of Christ to the Most Holy Place…

    Aquinas must have seen how we go through the Body of Christ to God.
    Our old man is left behind, in other words: dead, and made new, and in newness we can stand before God.

  439. foreverblessed says:

    Through the curtain, that is His Body Hebrews 10:19-22

    That is Scripture.

    What is Scripture when the Spirit does not give Light on what is written?
    I have always found it a mystery;
    Why is the Body of Christ called a Curtain?

    The Curtain that hang before the Most Holy Place.
    We have to go through the curtain.
    I just thought that the curtain was opened, teared actually, and that was it, but it is more: we have to go IN His Body, and through His Body to God, and car come out a new man IN Christ.

    And then we are in the Most Holy Place.
    With great assurance!

    What a Bible passage!

    And when I am there, I can lay the pain of Beloved and Street at His feet, and pray: have mercy on them, dear Father. Because by His stripes, Your dearly loved Son’s, we are healed

  440. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I don’t see anything posted, after submit,

    A mystery… some words of the song April 17, 6.21 am

    Meekness and majesty,
    manhood and deity,
    in perfect harmony-
    the man who is God:
    Lord of eternity
    dwells in humanity,
    kneels in humility
    and washes our feet.

    O what a mystery-
    meekness and majesty:
    bow down and worship,
    for this is your God,
    this is your God!

  441. undefined says:

    Forever I used to be a “Christian mystic” at one time. I rarely talked about it because some got jealous and that’s not a good way to build up and edify the body. (Before I knew Jesus I was a mystic being able to see into the spirit world.)

    I remember Paul writing about being taken up to the 3rd heaven how he could not even claim it was him- talking about himself in the 3rd person.

    I’ve seen both good and evil in the spirit realm and would not go back there. Which is why the warning about false prophets; it only takes one false prophecy to prove to be false prophet.

    Besides, scripture already tells us everything we need to know!

    I learned Jesus is as close as my breath and just speak to Him as if He is standing right beside me; which He is! Any time of day/night wherever I am.

  442. undefined says:

    Remember how Jesus showed the disciples to pray: thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as in heaven? We who are In Christ are in the kingdom while on earth. That’s where the great mystery lies. To live in the world but no longer being part of it. In a heavenly bubble sort of getting beat up and assaulted but the bubble does not break! Amen

  443. foreverblessed says:

    As you said earlier, Jesus talked to Nicodemus, about things he did not understand.
    Calling it mystical, I have some apprehension against that word., I myself would rather call it: the Spiritual reality.

    When we are too earthly, with two feet on the earth, when the Spirit of God does not breath in our understanding and heart, we just don’t get it.

    Jesus said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.
    Is that mystical?
    That is the Truth.

    We have to be born again says Jesus.
    How, asks Nicodemus.
    Then Jesus gives an answer:
    “I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
    I have spoken to you if earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”
    John 3:1-12
    It is as if Jesus is reluctant to give an answer.

  444. foreverblessed says:

    But then Jesus gives an answer to how we are born again of the Spirit:

    “No one has ever gone into heaven except the One who came from heaven- the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in Him”
    John 3:12-15

    There His answer is. And I just see it now:
    In the Body of Christ,
    Through the Body We are born again!

    What happened to Jesus, the Cross the death and the Resurrection, we were in Him, and so IN Christ it happened to us.. in faith we can accept that Word, the Word of God, even if we do not feel anything, and our physical bodies have not changed, but we are now born into the Family of God, born into His Kingdom.
    2 Cor 5:14 for the love of God compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, and therefore or all died.
    There it is again!

    When Christ died we died with Him.
    So that we may be raised to life with Him, in the Resurrection, born again that is.
    We are God’s children.
    Raised to a Spiritual life.

    It is s Spiritual message. And if God does not reveal who Jesus is to our hearts, it is of no use talking about it.

    But I know that all if us here that participate in this blog, do know who Jesus is, the Son of God, who came to save humankind.

  445. undefined says:

    I think that because Nicodemus was a Jewish leader He knew he would not be able to understand yet. Jesus spoke in parables often for that very reason. It wasn’t the time for Him to reveal the truth that He was God incarnate. Jesus had much more to do -as we see throughout the gospels- to prove His divinity to more people is what I’m thinking.

    At the end of John3 Jesus reiterates the conversation with Nicodemus in more detail and I found the very last sentence interesting.
    John 3:31-36
    The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly things. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, yet no one accepts his testimony. Whoever has accepted his testimony has certified this, that God is true. He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in his hands. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure God’s wrath.

  446. undefined says:

    Forever I wanted to tell you about something I learned about your country. I was sitting in the laundry room reading an older magazine (2017) and there were pictures and story about how the Netherlands is second to the US in the amount of food you export! The greenhouses were wonderful to see! Such good use of a small place.
    There also happened to be an article about West Virginia in the same magazine so it made the time go faster and more enjoyable as I thought how lucky to have such friends as you and Steve are to me. Not just you but the rest also😊

  447. street says:

    The Curtain that hang before the Most Holy Place.
    We have to go through the curtain.
    I just thought that the curtain was opened, teared actually, and that was it, but it is more: we have to go IN His Body, and through His Body to God, and car come out a new man IN Christ.

    And then we are in the Most Holy Place.
    With great assurance!

    dear forever love the journey you are on and the sights you are looking into. would like to look too.

    the curtain hangs as a barrier in front of the Alter of Incense facing the Holy of Hollies/Most Holy Place

    in Exodus 30: 9 You shall not offer any strange incense on this altar, or burnt offering, or meal offering; and you shall not pour out a drink offering on it. 10 However, Aaron shall make atonement on its horns once a year; he shall make atonement on it with the blood of the sin offering of atonement once a year throughout your generations. It is most holy to the Lord.”

    this Alter of Incense is Most Holy to The LORD.

    i still think we are forbidden to enter the Holy Of Holy, the center of Worship. the high priest depicts Jesus going into this place, Worthy of Worship and sprinkling His Own Blood, for us.

    Revelation 3: 21 The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne. 22 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

  448. street says:

    to sin is to die

    to live is Christ

    no life apart from Christ.

    crucified with Christ, the removal of sinful man, raised up in new life in the Spirit.

    if we say we have no sin the truth is not in us.

    3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever follows His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

    12 So then, brothers and sisters, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

    18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to apply to your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I rebuke and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

  449. street says:

    Daniel 9:26
    Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

    thinking of paul’s wild olive branches being grafted in in and the natural branches grafted in later. made fruitful by the Spirit of the Lord. Romans 11

    thinking Tree of Life/The Vine.

    thinking of the joy meeting the Spirit of the Lord in others. making disciples first priority.

  450. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, the Tree of Life,
    The Vibe and the branches.
    That is such a simple analogy:
    “Abide in Me”

    we the branches, the Life of the Vine flows into us. As simple as that.

    “I will come on and dine with you, and he with Me”

    I was thinking about the great assurance we can enter the Most Holy Place, Hebrews 10:19

    While the topic is about someone who is (was) not sure about the love of God for them.

    Mart shares this topic, and he says: the only thing we can do is simply pray this prayer:
    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

    Intercessory prayer.

  451. foreverblessed says:

    how the Netherlands is second to the US in the amount of food you export

    Dear Beloved, that fact is actually a point of great concern to me.
    We have such a small country, but we produce so much food.
    The food is exported but all the leftovers, the pesticides, the dung, stay here.

    When I was studying biology, I was doing a course at the ecological apartment, and they said at that time: this intensive agriculture cannot go on like this. It is not good for our environment. That was 40 years ago!
    And it only got more intensive.

    But now last year the court of law has made a verdict: we are polluting the environment too much.
    And the government is working on a program to reduce the agriculture.

    For instance for every 100 pigs we raise here, 5 are for our own country, 95 are for the export.

    We should help other countries to raise there own pigs.
    And have their own green houses.
    And make their own cheese.
    But in an ecologically sound way, considering nature, and not thinking about making money in the first place.

    Well thanks for listening to my concern.
    But that we are the second to the US in exporting food, is a dazzling fact. It is actually quite impossible, and yet it happens!

  452. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Street, that you enjoy my journey on finding out on the Body and Blood of Christ.

    If it is too much information to any, just skip my comments.

    I am glad that Paul did write so much about the Cross of Jesus.
    He did some intense explanation about the meaning to us,

    And I did know that we died with Christ, at baptism.

    The Water

    “Don’t you know that all of us who were baptisms into Christ Jesus were baptised into his death?” Romans 6:3

    “We were therefore buried with Him through baptism, into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
    Romans 6:4

    I actually connected that to the baptism in water.
    But now I learn, that there is more to it, why Jesus had to become a Man blood of our blood and flesh of our flesh, Hebrews 2:14 to take humanity on the Cross, and bring it to God.
    “But a body You prepared for Me”. Hebrews 10:5

    that we were put into the Body of Christ, in His death,
    So that when we resurrected to life, Jesus comes into us.
    Through the Spirit.

    You are in Me, and I am in you.
    John 14:20

  453. foreverblessed says:

    But to keep it simple:
    “My command is this: love one another as I have loved you.
    Greater love has no one that this:
    That one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command.”
    John 15:12-14

    In line with what Street posted, 1 John 2:3-5

  454. jeff1 says:

    My Forever Friend

    Everybody needs a little help sometime
    No one stands alone
    Makes no difference if you’re just a child like me
    Or a king upon a throne
    For there are no exceptions
    We all stand in the line
    Everybody needs a friend
    Let me tell you of mine
    He’s my forever friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbow’s end
    He’s my forever friend
    Even when I turn away He cares for me
    His love no one can shake
    Even as I walk away He’s by my side
    With every breath I take
    And sometimes I forget Him
    My halo fails to shine
    Sometimes I’m not His friend
    But He is always mine
    If you still don’t know the one I’m talking of
    I think it’s time you knew
    Long ago and far away upon a cross
    My friend died for you
    So if you’d like to meet Him
    And don’t know what to do
    Ask my friend into you heart
    And He’ll be your friend too

    He’s My Forever Friend

  455. poohpity says:

    As long as one takes bits and pieces of the whole out of context without the help of the Holy Spirit we can not understand what is meant by the body and the blood or death vs new life.

    It seems death to the natural inclinations of the flesh, sin and through new life means we have a choice now and the power that those who are unbelievers are not aware of, to make a choice not to sin. Sin put to death the chance of living with God into eternity. Jesus took our sin debt onto Himself the only sinless one to be the sacrifice for our sins or atonement to enter the Most Holy place (a relationship with God).

    It was the blood that was sprinkled on the alter in the OT that was a temporary atonement for sin but it had to be repeated over and over until Jesus came then His body and blood were the FINAL atonement made for the forgiveness of sin, once for all time, it was finished. No more perfect unblemished animal sacrifices needed for a temporary solution to the sin problem.

    Sin causes death to relationships, to our own heart condition, to the earth and everything of beauty that God created and most of all sin causes us to hide from God. Sin creates death and it can only happen by the flesh. So when we ask Christ into our heart, hopefully if it is a true conversion, we will no longer follow the desires of the flesh, in other words put to death those desires and rather a new life is created in our spirit that desires to follow the Lord instead but being still in the flesh we will still sin until we leave this flesh when it dies which is only a temporary housing or tent for the real us and we are given a new resurrected body that does not desire to sin.

  456. poohpity says:

    So it seems then to be rid of climate change we would have to be rid of sin which we are told in scripture is not going to happen which is why God will created a new heaven and a new earth because sin destroys the old earth.

  457. poohpity says:

    The body and blood of Jesus restores our right relationship with God just as the sacrifices in the OT temporarily did which is why the curtain was torn in two in the Temple. Now the temple of Jesus is within us.

  458. poohpity says:

    Eph 4: assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self (die as it were), which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

  459. jeff1 says:

    O Jesus, Lord of heavenly grace,
    thou brightness of the Father’s face,
    thou fountain of eternal light,
    whose beams disperse the shades of night;

    2 come, holy Sun of heavenly love,
    pour down they radiance from above,
    and to our inward hearts convey
    the Holy Spirit’s cloudless ray.

    3 May he our actions deign to bless,
    and loose the bonds of wickedness;
    from sudden falls our feet defend,
    and guide us safely to the end.

    4 May faith, deep rooted in the soul,
    subdue our flesh, our minds control;
    may guile depart, and discord cease,
    and all within be joy and peace.

    5 O hallowed thus be every day;
    let meekness be our morning ray,
    and faithful love our noon-day light,
    and hope our sunset calm and bright.

    6 O Christ, with each returning morn
    thine image to our hearts is borne;
    O may we ever clearly see
    our Saviour and our God in thee.

  460. jeff1 says:

    Can we by searching find out God
    or formulate his ways?
    Can numbers measure what he is
    or words contain his praise?

    2 Although his being is too bright
    for human eyes to scan,
    his meaning lights our shadowed world
    through Christ, the Son of Man.

    3 Our boastfulness is turned to shame,
    our profit counts as loss,
    when earthly values stand beside
    the manager and the cross.

    4 We there may recognize his light,
    may kindle it its rays,
    find there the source of penitence,
    the starting-point for praise.

    5 There God breaks in upon our search,
    makes birth and death his own:
    he speaks to us in human terms
    to make his glory known.

    based on Job 11:7

  461. foreverblessed says:

    Today is a national holiday, King’s day.
    Koningsdag, in Dutch
    Always with many festivities, free markets on the streets, especially children, selling their own toys, sitting on blankets laid on the street side.
    But not this year, and last year.
    I thought there would be wild partying, and revolt, because people want to feast again.
    But things remain quiet so far.

    Fyi, our king has no governing rights, it is purely a ceremonial funstion. Like the president of Germany, is just like a father figure. The Chancellor Merkel is governing.

    In 1588 our country started to be a Republic. We were the first Republic in the world!
    See “Dutch Republic” an article on wikipedia.

    Act of Abjuration in Wikipedia talks about the dutch provinces that declared they did not want the Spanish government anymore.

    After Napoleon we had the ancestors of William of Orange not as Governor’s anymore, but as kings.
    All though they have no governing functions anymore, since 1848,

    Well so far some history.
    May God bless you today, may He come in and dine with you.

  462. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks for that song Jeff!

  463. jeff1 says:

    Glad you liked, Forever, I think there are some wonderful songs and I find them very helpful in understanding.

  464. poohpity says:

    I also find the songs you post very helpful in understanding. Music and the lyrics have been and are such an integral part of my life since as far back as I can remember. Just like David used them to sooth the savage soul of King Saul but music can also be used to prompt the sinfulness in man, I guess it all depends on the type or kind of music we listen to and the intent of the person writing it.

    Forever, It seems like now-a-days our once Democratic Republic is turning into a Federal Republic like your country. The Federal government is over taking over the voice of “We the People” here lately. We have a group of people now that are against that change called “Convention of States” movement that is trying to take back the power found in Washington D.C. and put it back in the hands of the people.

  465. undefined says:

    Beyond the Curtain

    I just listened to a sermon by Spurgeon on YouTube titled “At The End of Your Life!” It is very good. A good reminder to be sure of our salvation, to look forward not backward, to not worry about the troubles of today but to think on our blessed hope; eternity in heaven with God!

  466. jeff1 says:

    It’s easy to say, “In God we trust”
    When life is radiant and fair,
    But the test of faith is only found
    Where there are burdens to bear—
    For our claim to faith in the “sunshine”
    Is really no faith at all
    For when roads are smooth and days are bright
    Our need for God is so small,
    And no one discovers the fullness
    Or the greatness of God’s love
    Unless he has walked in the “darkness”
    With only a light from Above–
    For the faith to endure whatever comes
    Is born of sorrow and trials,
    And strengthened only by discipline
    And nurtured by self denials—
    So do not be disheartened by troubles,
    For trials are the “building blocks”
    On which to erect a fortress of faith
    Secure on God’s “ageless rocks.”

  467. poohpity says:

    Mart, you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

  468. undefined says:

    “What Jesus Said About Suffering” by Mart on ODB-Day of Discovery I watched today. Very comprehensive. I was blessed.
    Thank you, Mart

  469. street says:

    “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
    And the heavens are the works of Your hands;
    They will perish, but You remain;
    And they all will wear out like a garment,
    And like a robe You will roll them up;
    Like a garment they will also be changed.
    But You are the same,
    And Your years will not come to an end.”

  470. jeff1 says:

    Soon we’ll come to the end of life’s journey
    And perhaps we’ll never meet anymore
    ‘Til we gather in heaven’s bright city
    Far away on that beautiful shore

    If we never meet again this side of heaven
    As we struggle through this world and its strife
    There’s another meeting place somewhere in heaven
    By the river of life

    Where the charming roses bloom forever
    And where separation come no more
    If we never meet again this side of heaven
    I will meet you on that beautiful shore

    Oh so often we are parted with sorrow
    And action often quietens our pain
    But we never shall sorrow in heaven
    God be with you till we meet again

  471. jeff1 says:

    Commit your ways to God,
    your works into his hands,
    and rest on his unchanging word,
    who heaven and earth commands.
    He points the clouds their course,
    whom wind and sea obey,
    he shall direct your wandering feet,
    he shall prepare your way.

    2 Put all your trust in God;
    in duty’s path go on;
    walk in his strength with faith and hope,
    so shall your work be done.
    No profit can you gain
    by self-consuming care;
    to him commend your cause; his ear
    attends the softest prayer.

    3 Give to the winds your fears;
    hope, and be undismayed;
    God hears your sighs and counts your tears,
    God shall lift up your head.
    With patience wait his time,
    then shall your eyes behold
    the Sun of joy and happiness
    his brightest beams unfold.

    4 Leave to his sovereign sway
    to choose and to command;
    so you shall, wondering, own his way
    how wise, how strong his hand.
    Let us, in life and death,
    his steadfast truth declare,
    and publish, with our final breath,
    his love and guardian care.

  472. undefined says:

    Matthew 6: 31Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

  473. street says:

    Beyond the Curtain
    Righteousness will be his belt
    and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
    The wolf will live with the lamb,
    the leopard will lie down with the goat,
    the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
    and a little child will lead them.
    The cow will feed with the bear,
    their young will lie down together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
    Isaiah 11:5-7

    Like a garment they will also be changed.
    But You are the same,
    And Your years will not come to an end.” Hebrews 1:12

    51 Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53

    it would seem change is coming.

    may the virgin’s lamps be trimmed and full of oil. extra oil required.

  474. undefined says:

    71 today and with all the pain lately I’ve wondered more than once if I’m being prepared for my heavenly Home. Oh yes I am ready!!! Praying with thanksgiving for a God who created me, a family that raised me, and a Savior I said yes to when I knew I was a sinner and needed Jesus’ grace and mercy to atone for my sin. My entrance into heaven will be wearing a white robe taken from Jesus’ own bloody hands. Beloved

  475. street says:

    Happy Birthday Beloved!!!

  476. jeff1 says:

    “The Heavens Declare the Glory of God”

    You ask me how I know it’s true
    That there is a living God-
    A God who rules the universe,
    The sky. . .the sea. . .the sod;
    A God who holds all creatures
    In the hollow of His hand;
    A God who put Infinity
    In one tiny grain of sand;
    A God who made the seasons-
    Winter, Summer, Autumn, Spring,
    And put His flawless rhythm
    Into each created thing;
    A God who hangs the sun out
    Slowly with the break of day,
    And gently takes the stars in
    And puts the night away;
    A God whose mighty handiwork
    Defies the skill of man,
    For no architect can alter
    God’s Perfect Master Plan-
    What better answers are there
    To prove His Holy Being
    Than the wonders all around us
    That are ours just for the seeing.

  477. jeff1 says:

    Happy Birthday, Beloved, have you eaten any cake?🎂

  478. street says:

    Beyond the Curtain

    19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and reliable and one which enters within the veil, 20 where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

    thinking of this hope which enters within the veil, thinking, our hope goes where are hearts are.

    thinking of a Spirit given on Pentecost to dwell in earthen vessels, veiled if you will, revealed in our weakness that the Glory would belong to God, and remain.

    to be freely given as it is received. love joy peace patience kindness goodness faithfulness gentle & self-control.

    abiding in the faith…….Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

    To those who have received a faith of the same value as ours, in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 for His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us [e]by His own glory and excellence. 2 Peter 1:1-3

  479. undefined says:

    Thank you for the birthday wishes! Viv I made myself a “dump” cake which is just dumping fruit in a baking pan then spreading a boxed cake mix over the top with melted butter and baking. Sooo good!

  480. jeff1 says:

    You are welcome, Beloved, good you enjoyed the cake and wish you a blessed year.

    This verse was given to me by an elderly lady I used to visit and she said she recited it every morning before she got up and I find it very comforting and read it often when I feel the need so my birthday gift to you.

    ‘I am deeply loved, divinely appointed, abundantly equipped and profoundly cherished by God.
    No enemy plan, scheme or obstacle can keep me from God’s highest and best will for me.
    As I follow the voice of my Saviour, I see the invisible. accomplish the impossible and love the unlovable.
    I am a living breathing miracle because Jesus Christ lives in me. Amen.

  481. undefined says:

    Thank you Viv.

  482. undefined says:

    Viv I found a preacher on YouTube in Hull, UK I like very much. He tells it like it is- the gospel I mean and doesn’t mince words.
    It’s “Open-air Gospel Preaching 24th April – Dr. David Mackereth”. I don’t know where Hull is but preachers like him are rare over here. The conviction of the Holy Spirit is all over him.

  483. undefined says:

    Philippians 3: 7But whatever was gain to me I count as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things as loss compared to the surpassing excellence of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ,a the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.

    10I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

  484. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, Hull is in Yorkshire, England and yes I get what your are saying about his preaching.

    I didn’t think that it would have been rare in America, it isn’t here but since a child I have attended a Christ focused church and though I have listened to other preachers I am a member of a local Parish that gives me companionship and pastoral care and so I am very blessed to have this knowing now how the world has changed outside my bubble without me realizing the impact that as on many.

    I cannot keep up with the changes nor do I try to as it is too exhausting and as a person who has suffered anxiety I know it isn’t good for my well being. Things are never as they seem and God is still in control and that’s what gives me peace of mind in the complexities of this world.

  485. undefined says:

    Companionship and pastoral care is important I’m glad you have a place to fellowship and worship. God is meeting your needs. I think preachers like Dr Mackareth are rare here although I’ve always lived in rural areas so don’t really know about more populated areas. I’m sure they are out there except for Covid restrictions maybe not I don’t know. I do enjoy how he interacts with hecklers and such with love and truth.

  486. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, best wishes to you, a blessing for the next year. May God bless you and be with you!

    I was looking for that preacher you mentioned on YouTube, and bumped into a video:
    “Why European Drivers (and driving in Europe) is better than America- an American Expat perspective.

    The guy is filming when driving from Amsterdam on the A2 Highway in the direction to Utrecht.
    And I thought, I tell you, so you can see what it looks like when I drive home, after a visit to Amsterdam.

    (We have lots of traffic jams during week days. But that is one thing because of Corona, it is much more relaxed now on the road)

    I am enjoying the discover the word series on “the Compassion of Jesus” too!

  487. foreverblessed says:

    Having a christian companionship is very important, God called us to be together, and have unity, to show people that God exists.
    Christianity as a whole has to still learn that.
    Want I like best about my local church, that we pray for one another, (prayed about an unborn child, last night, as the mother is coping depression)
    And of course: the singing, praising God together.

  488. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, how are you doing? And Matt, say hi to him!!

  489. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed. Thank you for your concern. Matt thanks you for saying hello to him and returns the gesture.

    Life here remains as real as it gets, looking for the rescue as promised.


  490. jeff1 says:

    Forever, that is the same in our church, prayers for the church members who are absent for whatever reasons, for local Government, the Queen and UK Government and the world at large mentioning any that are going through specific unrest or difficulties.

    What is good about Christian companionship is that it makes me focus less on myself and for someone who suffers from anxiety that has a positive effect.

    It is in sharing our burdens that we lighten another’s and with mental issues I find that it is not only easy to feel isolated but there is a tendency to want to isolate from others as often I find the voices around me are more annoying than the silence which is problematic for me getting the balance.

  491. poohpity says:

    Happy belated Birthday undefined.

    Viv, I remember that prayer of your friend if I remember right was Ruth but I do not trust my memory as much as I used to but I shared that with our bible study group when we were studying Ephesians. That sort of sums up that whole letter.

    I have noticed that people no matter where they live pretty much share common humanity traits even in remote villages away from the fray. I think that was what God was speaking of when He said they let’s create man in their image. (Gen 1:26-27)

  492. jeff1 says:

    You are correct, Pooh, my friend was called Ruth and I believe I shared it some time back so your memory is better than you think.

    I think living in an environment for a prolonged length of time is what defines us as we get like the people we live with and that is automatic whether we realize it or not I think it is what happens.

    As humans we need others and I think deep in our psyche we seek out those who are more like us i.e. faith, interests, social class as it makes for more harmonious living but I am not so sure that it does much for God’s Kingdom but the more I learn the more I realize what is wrong with me and not what is right.

  493. poohpity says:

    I guess that when we come to realize how broken we are and how much we have been forgiven for our understanding of God’s grace becomes more clear and we are able to love those who are not like us. As Jesus said, ““I tell you, her sins—and they are many—have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love.”

    The people I hang around are from all types of backgrounds, interests, races and social classes but the thing that brings us together in harmonious living is the unity of our faith.

  494. poohpity says:

    It seems even with those who do not share the same faith I have because of Christ I can live in harmony with just about anyone really. The people that I have the hardest time with are those who say they are of the faith family but nothing they do seems to reflect that but then again that is something I leave in God’s hands to deal with, I just have to love them anyway.

    Have you ever heard someone use their finger nails to drag across a chalk board that sound causes your ears to hurt and every nerve in your body to tense up?

  495. undefined says:

    Thank you all for the birthday blessings. The day was same as others but my sister sent me a card that made me chuckle. It says “You know , Methuselah, you don’t look a day over 700! Celebrating…yet again….the day the LORD made you! Psalm 118:24

    So true. We have today, only. To enjoy our Creator and all He has done! I never thought I’d see 21 when I was growing up. God surprised me! He had other plans. 😊✝️

  496. undefined says:

    As Christian fellowship has morphed into cultural relativity this morning thought I’d mention being salt and light. I am listening to David Pawson preach about it on YouTube and it means more than just getting along with people. So here’s the biblical reference he uses.
    Matthew 5:13-16 NIV
    Bible / Bible Versions / NIV / Matthew / Matthew 5 / Matthew 5:13-16
    Salt and Light

    13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. 14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

  497. undefined says:

    I must admit I struggle with this as I want everyone to like me. SELF denial is so hard. Help me, Jesus.

  498. jeff1 says:

    Shine your light against the dark
    Stand upright and make your mark
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light for me
    Long ago when I was just
    A boy of tender years
    My father told me life’s a road
    Paved with joy and tears
    And as you travel you must choose
    Between what’s right and wrong
    Remember sin is giving in
    For Heaven’s sake be strong
    As I grew beyond my teens
    The world began to press
    My father’s words began to fade
    Lost to selfishness
    And after years of walking down
    The wrong side of the track
    One night I cried and deep inside
    My father’s words came back
    My father said that kindness is
    The light of God in man
    So I was told to shine like gold
    On everyone I can
    I changed my ways and did my best
    To right the wrong I’d done
    I settled down and in a year
    God blessed us with a son
    Now he’s barely nine years old
    A learner on life’s way
    He wonders why a day goes by
    He doesn’t hear me say
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light
    Shine your light
    Do your best wherever you may be
    And shine your light for me

  499. poohpity says:

    I do not think there is anything wrong with wanting people to accept us or like us, the real us with no masks or pretense but when we pretend to be something we are not or put a false front out there that is really not us at all so when the real person comes out which will then turn people off towards us because of dishonesty. Being honest about who we are that is the person that God loves the real us so if others are really going to accept and like us it should be for the person we really are not who we pretend to be.

  500. poohpity says:

    Joyce, I was wondering do you like everyone you meet? Not everyone will like us that is just a fact of life but that does not mean you are not valued and worth much to the Lord and some others. Everyone has different tastes but that does not stop us of acting in love towards even those who do not like us.

  501. jeff1 says:

    I think we overuse the word love in Christianity as in all honesty do I love people who just don’t dislike me/us but are out to do me/us harm.

    I know Jesus loved His enemies but I fall short at acting lovingly to those who make no bones about their intention to harm us.

    I don’t think it is healthy to pretend I love others when inwardly I struggle to love those who are hostile towards me/us.

    What I am saying is that being a Christian does not make me any less faultless than those who wish me harm.

  502. undefined says:

    ◄ Matthew 10:26 ►
    So do not be afraid of them. For nothing is concealed that will not be uncovered, or hidden that will not be made known.

    Proverbs 10:9
    He who walks in integrity walks securely, but he who perverts his ways will be found out.

    Ecclesiastes 12:14
    For God will bring every deed into judgment, along with every hidden thing, whether good or evil.

    Mark 4:22
    For everything hidden is meant to be revealed, and everything concealed is meant to be brought to light.

    Luke 8:17
    For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.

    Luke 12:2
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

  503. street says:

    Beyond the Curtain

    been thinking about the word confession and profession.

    the difference of confessing Christ and professing Christ?

    is there a difference?

    is it possible one of regret or sadness and the other of joy? both?

  504. bubbles says:

    The leather chair photo at the top of the page is cozy and welcoming. The brown background ad warm white/beige text and boxes is aesthetically pleasing.

    Thinking of Mart and his family this evening. Praying for God to comfort them.

  505. undefined says:

    Confession vs profession

    Confession- humility; Paul comes to mind. The worst of sinners ✋🏻

    Profession- pride; Pharisees ✋🏻

    This is what I’m thinking but I’m sure it’s incomplete.

  506. undefined says:

    Knowing and doing what’s right brings joy. Regret haunts me though.

  507. undefined says:

    There is, though, a peace that passes all understanding over all. 😊✝️

  508. street says:

    there can be false confessions and professions.

    like ordinate and inordinate affections.

    more interesting when dealing with thoughts, attitudes, and the like. Spirit and Truth required.

  509. street says:

    For as a young man marries a virgin,
    So your sons will marry you;
    And as the groom rejoices over the bride,
    So your God will rejoice over you.

    On your walls, Jerusalem, I have appointed watchmen;
    All day and all night they will never keep silent.
    You who profess the Lord, take no rest for yourselves;
    And give Him no rest until He establishes
    And makes Jerusalem an object of praise on the earth.

  510. street says:

    8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 1 Timothy 2

  511. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Bubbles for reminding us of the empty chair in Mart’s life.
    I know you referred to the big brown chair on the home page as being inviting and cozy, but it being an empty chair reminded me of Mart’s loss.

    We all have far too many empty chairs in our lives and as I get closer to the transition from life to going beyond the curtain I find it more and more difficult to imagine what is there.

    I can imagine a lot, I can hope a lot, but none of us know for sure until we too leave an empty chair behind.

    46 degrees after a night of rain.


  512. jeff1 says:

    ◄ Matthew 10:26Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) ►
    So do not be afraid of them. For nothing is concealed that will not be uncovered, or hidden that will not be made known.

    Proverbs 10:9Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    He who walks in integrity walks securely, but he who perverts his ways will be found out.

    Ecclesiastes 12:14Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    For God will bring every deed into judgment, along with every hidden thing, whether good or evil.

    Mark 4:22Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    For everything hidden is meant to be revealed, and everything concealed is meant to be brought to light.

    Luke 8:17Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.

    Luke 12:2Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

    1 Corinthians 4:5Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

    When reading your verses I think of my mother’s words as she was speaking of wrong doing that as a child I found hard to comprehend.

    Considering my mum if she had lived would be in her nineties takes me back to a time when women had life hard and especially for my grandmother who unlike many women in her situation had chosen to raise her illegitimate children on her own.

    My mum spoke to me of children who were buried as their mothers had decided the wrath of the society they lived in and the means by which they could feed their children would make it intolerable for them to live their lives and so the fate of the children was decided even before they were born.

    My mum’s belief was that the secrets they would take to their graves would never stay buried as you cannot bury the truth was her words and so perhaps the revelations of this present time have much more to do with the past than we could ever realize as people in desperate situations do desperate things and often live to regret them from what my mother says anyway.

  513. jeff1 says:

    Also thinking of how these women were not wrong about the treatment they would receive in society as my mum was spat on, not allowed to walk on the footpath with other children, no church would baptize her, and went to school with no shoes on her feet, her feet bleeding from the cuts she obtained when walking their.

    Coupled with the bad treatment she received from her mother who also was struggling you can imagine my mum grew into an adult with serious mental illness that my dad tried to shield us from.

    I think this quote from C. S. Lewis sums it up for my mum and grandmother anyhow.

    C.S. Lewis
    “Has this world been so kind to you that you should leave with regret? There are better things ahead than any we leave behind.”

  514. poohpity says:

    It would seem that loving someone is not a dependable feeling or emotion as most would think of it as but an action. Even if we hated someone but saw them on the street hungry, thirsty or hurt would one not feed them, give them water or call for help for the hurt, those are acts of love. So we can act in love towards someone that we may not like or maybe even hate the way I see it.

    “Love your neighbor as yourself” who then is my neighbor? Would anyone deny themselves food if they were hungry or get a drink if they were thirsty that is what one would do for themselves, so to do that for others is loving your neighbor as yourself. Frankly there are many people that do not even like themselves but they would probably still care for themselves and that is acting in a loving manner.

  515. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, my mother spoke of one grocer in our village who showed mercy to my grandmother as he kept the food he did not sell and gave it to her.

    What about all the Christians in our village who rather than seeing their need judged their sin?

    No church would baptize my mum and you might think things have changed but I know that our church has gained parishioners because our Rector baptizes children born out of wedlock because other churches will not so it would seem that many are still much quicker to judge the sin but our Rector sees the innocence of the child which I for one praise him for as if their had been just one Minister in my mother’s day who would have done the same she may not have been treated as an outcast all her life.

  516. poohpity says:

    I am in support of those who look at their own deeds and doing the things we would like to see others do. In other words, “Be the change we want to see in others”. I always remember how imperfect I am so how can I expect others to be perfect when I fail at it so miserably. Grace upon grace!

  517. street says:

    Rector sees the innocence of the child …

    as i think of this and Romans 3:23 i see there is more to it than that, a need of a Faithful and True Savior. Baptism of repentance and faith in Christ. still a sinner as John says if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. oh for Christ to be in us! someone needs to die. therefor a cross to bear. broken jars of clay.

    Glory to God in the Highest……

  518. undefined says:

    Yes innocent does not mean sinless. It’s a broken world filled with broken people. While it’s not our fault, so to speak, that we are born broken God in His goodness has provided a Savior!

  519. undefined says:

    I’m aware that infant baptism is a highly debated subject. When my grandson was baptized in a Lutheran church someone said to me “I’ll bet you’re glad he’s baptized”. I honestly did not know how to respond because I don’t think that automatically makes you part of the Kingdom. If we follow what scripture says and disregard the catholic/Lutheran teaching on baptism we take into account individual sin and individual salvation through Christ- not a universal salvation.

  520. jeff1 says:

    Only As a Child

    “Unless you become as children”
    And love Me as they do,
    You cannot enter My Kingdom,
    For the door is closed to you . . .
    For Faith is the key to heaven
    And only God’s children hold
    The key that opens the gateway
    To that beautiful City of Gold . . .
    For only a child yet unblemished
    By the doctrines and theories of man
    Is content to Trust and Love Jesus
    Without understanding His Plan.

  521. jeff1 says:

    From the poem I see that what is important to God is my trust and love for Him and yet I seem to be much more focused on trying to love others and do what I think is right in a somewhat complex world.

    Confused or what!

  522. street says:

    been thinking confidence in relation to these verse.

    8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.” John 3

    4 We must carry out the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.
    John 9

  523. undefined says:

    I’ve been thinking about how being “born again”- of the Spirit, happens. Is it by something I do or did? How does God decide when and how to creat new birth in people? Jesus said we must be born again. I see for me looking back it was more of a process then when I first believed.

  524. jeff1 says:

    My mum may never have been baptized in a church through no fault of her own but she spoke frequently of Jesus and I was with her shortly before she died and know how God was working to draw her to Himself as I saw her change from a very disturbed women to a calm and peaceful one and only God can bring about a change so amazing.

    Abide with me; fast falls the eventide;
    The darkness deepens; Lord, with me abide;
    When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
    Help of the helpless, oh, abide with me.
    Swift to its close ebbs out life’s little day;
    Earth’s joys grow dim, its glories pass away;
    Change and decay in all around I see—
    O Thou who changest not, abide with me.
    I need Thy presence every passing hour;
    What but Thy grace can foil the tempter’s pow’r?
    Who, like Thyself, my guide and stay can be?
    Through cloud and sunshine, Lord, abide with me.
    I fear no foe, with Thee at hand to bless;
    Ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness;
    Where is death’s sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
    I triumph still, if Thou abide with me.
    Hold Thou Thy cross before my closing eyes;
    Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies;
    Heav’n’s morning breaks, and earth’s vain shadows flee;
    In life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.

  525. undefined says:

    Just Beyond The Sunset — (D. Harris)

    Just beyond the sunset
    Someone waits for me
    Just beyond the sunset
    Lies my destiny
    Where the purple mountains
    Lie in deep tranquillity
    There I’ll find the treasure
    Of love eternally

    Just beyond the sunset
    Waits someone so fair
    Just beyond the sunset
    All alone they wait there
    Their hair is golden
    The colour of the sand
    Their eyes sparkle in the night
    Like diamonds in your hand

    Just beyond the sunset
    Lies a home for me
    Where the world is peaceful
    Like a paradise should be
    Just beyond the sunset
    Someday is where you’ll find me

    Written – July or Aug 1966 by David Harris

  526. jeff1 says:

    I don’t believe my mum knew how much she was loved until she was on her dying bed and that is because her struggles in life where over and she finally met her maker.

    I seen her as she was at a bedside window looking out into the sky and the transformation in my mum left me with no doubt in my mind that her talk of Jesus was now a reality.

    She had suffered not just in her early life due to her circumstances but my brother’s mental illness took it toil, then she took the cancer.

    When I went to visit her she was black and blue all over where she had fallen having been too weak to make it to the bathroom on her own and not wanting to bother the nurses knowing how busy they were she tried to make it on her own.

    Shame on us we change God to our own image and He is nothing like us and for that I am truly thankful.

    Jesus bids us shine with a pure clear light,
    like a little candle burning in the night;
    in this world of darkness so we must shine,
    you in your small corner and I in mine.

    2 Jesus bids us shine, first of all for him;
    well he sees and knows it, if our light is dim;
    he looks down from heav’n to see us shine,
    you in your small corner and I in mine.

    3 Jesus bids us shine, then, for all around;
    many kinds of darkness in this world abound-
    sin and want and sorrow; so we must shine,
    you in your small corner and I in mine.

  527. poohpity says:

    There is nothing that breaks my heart worse than religions and religious people/leaders that put such heavy demands on others yet fail so obviously at living up to them themselves. That was the type of people that Jesus confronted on a regular basis in every one of the four Gospels over and over again about the damage they cause people and prevent them from coming to God and knowing of His great love for humanity. Those type of people are the very one’s that old saying brings to light, “Do as I say not what I do”! The laws seem to apply to everyone but them because they think they are above the law. They make the words of God a horrible, punitive, obnoxious garbage heap and trample on the very grace and mercy that brings us to God in the first place because they think it makes them look good on the outside but inside they are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! as Jesus put it. (Matthew 23)

    That can be a tendency to fall into for all of us some time or another. I guess that was why we are given the warning to carefully examine our own hearts before we say anything about anyone else.

  528. poohpity says:

    I believe that was why Paul taught that only those who are spiritual (aware of our own inclinations to sin) should go and hold a brother/sister accountable. (Galatians 6:1-2) Jesus said in humility go to them one on one in private to win them back if someone sins against you gently to restore the relationship that is broken.

  529. poohpity says:

    I was thinking that “Beyond the Curtain” Jesus restored a right relationship with God for us which also includes us restoring right relationships with others. “Love others as I have loved you”.

  530. jeff1 says:

    There is nothing that breaks my heart worse than religions and religious people/leaders that put such heavy demands on others yet fail so obviously at living up to them themselves. That was the type of people that Jesus confronted on a regular basis in every one of the four Gospels over and over again about the damage they cause people and prevent them from coming to God and knowing of His great love for humanity.

    There will always be people who will do their worst but this verse comes to mind and reassures us that God’s plan cannot be thwarted.

    New Living Translation. And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow.

  531. undefined says:

    “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6).

    A word of personal testimony to Gods patience with me. About ten years ago I was working at a job for a few weeks and developed severe knee injury. The work was too much for me but I had moved to be closer to my daughter who was going through a divorce. Having no one to help me I decided to move back to my job as a counselor 3 hours away (more sitting). Before I moved one day I distinctly heard “be simple”. Not once but 3 times over a period of a week. I had no idea how to do that but trusted God to show me. When I retired 5 years later it was hard because I was so used to being busy helping people but found neighbors I got busy cooking for driving to appts and so on. Even covid didn’t stop me!

    Now I’m in a new place with so many restrictions and don’t know the neighbors and even church is hard speaking through masks and no hugging/handshaking so the isolation is real! Then I hurt my back so didn’t leave my apt for several days and even bathing was terribly painful. I got pretty bored with my books documentaries and how many hours can you read the Bible? Crying, literally, to God asking why, what is the purpose of this? Am I dying? What could all this mean. Then vertigo hit me as well from inner ear infection. Come on LORD, what’s going on?!?!

    Back to being simple. Someone said, what’s the matter with being alone with God? I realized I’ve always felt I had to have a certain posture- an anxious posture addressing God. Yet Jesus talks to me and I to Him without anxiety or formality. Like we’re friends, which we are 😊.

    How to bring this around to simplicity—- I happened on a sermon titled “How to please God” (Spurgeon) and I was all over it!! How to please God when I can’t do anything??!! Then the answer, FAITH! That’s what pleases God. I finally get what it means to please God! Simplicity! Works follow faith but they do not lead. I’ve been so busy trying to please God for fear of abandonment and today- ten years later I finally understand- thank you Holy Spirit. And I can finally enjoy and be with God all alone for as long as this aloneness lasts, as He has prescribed it to be so, and not feel guilty that I’m not helping someone out. Alone with God. Yes. He’s wonderfully patient and kind. And merciful and amazingly graceful. Praise God from whom all blessings flow, Amen

    Today my hip pain is gone as well as my vertigo. I feel like a new person. And in the long hours/days of aloneness I will remember it’s good to be alone, with God.

  532. SFDBWV says:

    Here in the small world of small town living we are all connected to each other in many ways. Which makes many of us an extension of each other’s family.

    Today a friend will hold a funeral for their 43 year old son, Michael.

    Michael and Matthew were in school together from Kindergarten through 12th grade. They both were on the school’s basketball team and grew up together as friends.

    Michael was killed in an automobile accident Thursday morning. Tragically he and his mother had an argument just the day before. She had begged him to let her get him into a rehabilitation program because of his drug addiction. An addiction and lifestyle that had ruined Michael’s life for 20 years.

    His mother had tried to help him all these years while his father had “written him off” years ago. Causing a deep strain upon their marriage.

    The day before Michael was killed his mother pleaded with him to get help and once again he refused. She then told him she was through, she could do no more and had had enough. She and her husband then left for a retreat to rest and restore their marriage. Only to be called back immediately because their only son was dead.

    Michael’s mother is a devout Christian and raised Michael in a Pentecostal church here in town. I don’t know at what point Michael quit attending church.

    Michael and his girlfriend were both killed in the accident. She leaving behind two young girls, one from another relationship and one being Michael’s daughter.

    So here we are at this place in our subject matter. These two people who chose a life of drugs and alcohol now have stepped through the curtain. Leaving behind people who loved them and left to worrying about their eternal condition.

    Who among any of us can say one way or another? We are not the Judge of all mankind.

    Life it would seem is filled with pain and suffering that no one escapes from.

    Our hope lay with a God who understands that and has made a way for that point in time when there are no more tears. A time when there are no more tears.


  533. poohpity says:

    God experienced the life of being human through the human life of Christ so He knows the trials, tribulation and sorrows that humanity suffers. In fact He promised us that while we live in this flesh there will be trials, tribulation and sorrows, He never promised us a life without them but did promise us He would be with us and in us through all those things which is a life lived “Beyond the Curtain”.

    We no longer need a Priest, pastor, etc. to go to God on our behalf any longer which if I understand correctly even before the law, before the curtain people could come to God on their own in faith as with Abraham. No longer does animal sacrifices, incense offerings, grain or wine offerings need to be made as an atonement for our sins or thanksgiving offerings to worship or praise God we can now do it with our heart, mind and our own voice.

    Just as it was in the OT God does not change so the offer has always and in all ways still calls out to every person, “Come follow me”. It does not take going to church it takes answering His call in faith, just as Joyce clarified. It first takes faith then all the things beyond the curtain happen while living this life in the flesh then it comes to a real spiritual awakening as in being born again.

  534. jeff1 says:

    Here, O my Lord, I see Thee face to face;
    Here would I touch and handle things unseen;
    Here grasp with firmer hand eternal grace,
    And all my weariness upon Thee lean.

    Here would I feed upon the bread of God,
    Here drink with Thee the royal wine of Heav’n;
    Here would I lay aside each earthly load,
    Here taste afresh the calm of sin forgiven.

    This is the hour of banquet and of song;
    This is the heavenly table spread for me;
    Here let me feast, and feasting, still prolong
    The hallowed hour of fellowship with Thee.

    Too soon we rise; the symbols disappear;
    The feast, tho’ not the love, is past and gone.
    The bread and wine remove; but Thou art here,
    Nearer than ever, still my shield and sun.

    I have no help but Thine; nor do I need
    Another arm save Thine to lean upon;
    It is enough, my Lord, enough indeed;
    My strength is in Thy might, Thy might alone.

    I have no wisdom save in Him who is
    My wisdom and my teacher both in One;
    No wisdom can I lack while Thou art wise;
    No teaching do I crave save Thine alone.

    Mine is the sin, but Thine the righteousness:
    Mine is the guilt, but Thine the cleansing blood;
    Here is my robe, my refuge, and my peace;
    Thy blood, Thy righteousness, O Lord my God!

    I know that deadly evils compass me,
    Dark perils threaten, yet I would not fear,
    Nor poorly shrink, nor feebly turn to flee,
    Thou, O my Christ, art buckler, sword and spear.

    But see, the pillar cloud is rising now,
    And moving onward thro’ the desert night;
    It beckons, and I follow, for I know
    It leads me to the heritage of light.

    Feast after feast thus comes and passes by;
    Yet, passing, points to the glad feast above,
    Giving sweet foretaste of the festal joy,
    The Lamb’s great bridal feast of bliss and love.

  535. undefined says:

    His Mercy Is More
    Song by Keith Getty

    What love could remember no wrongs we have done
    Omniscient, all knowing, He counts not their sum
    Thrown into a sea without bottom or shore
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more

    What patience would wait as we constantly roam
    What Father, so tender, is calling us home
    He welcomes the weakest, the vilest, the poor
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more

    Praise the Lord, His mercy is more
    Stronger than darkness, new every morn
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more
    What riches of kindness He lavished on us
    His blood was the payment, His life was the cost
    We stood ‘neath a debt we could never afford
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more

    Praise the Lord, His mercy is more
    Stronger than darkness, new every morn
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more
    Praise the Lord, His mercy is more
    Stronger than darkness, new every morn
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more
    Our sins they are many, His mercy is more

  536. undefined says:

    “Love always takes the initiative.”
    Allistair Begg

  537. undefined says:

    Rev3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

  538. jeff1 says:

    Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendour,
    first-begotten from the dead,
    thou alone, our strong defender,
    liftest up thy people’s head.
    Alleluia, alleluia,
    Jesus, true and living bread.

    2 Here for faith’s discernment praying
    lest we fail to know thee now,
    here our deepest homage paying,
    we in loving reverence bow;
    alleluia, alleluia,
    thou art here, we ask not how.

    3 Now though lowliest form do veil thee
    as of old in Bethlehem,
    angels in thy mystery hail thee;
    we in worship join with them.
    Alleluia, alleluia,
    branch and flower of Jesse’s stem.

    4 Paschal Lamb, thine offering finished◡
    once for all when thou wast slain,
    in its fulness undiminished
    shall for evermore remain,
    cleansing souls from every stain.

    5 Great High Priest of our profession,
    through the veil thou wentest in,
    by thy mighty intercession
    grace and peace for us to win;
    alleluia, alleluia,
    only sacrifice for sin.

    6 Life-imparting, heavenly manna,
    stricken rock with steaming side,
    heaven and earth with one hosanna,
    worship thee, the Lamb that died,
    alleluia, alleluia,
    risen, ascended, glorified!

  539. jeff1 says:

    should be streaming side

  540. foreverblessed says:

    What a heartrending story, Steve, my prayers go up for the parents, and family!

    “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess His Name”

    God knows a way, as you say

  541. foreverblessed says:

    And Jeff, thank you for telling the story of your mother, she was convinced of God’s love before she died. And how wonderful that you were with that moment, sharing it.

    Precious is the death of a saint.
    Says the bible, in Psalms somewhere I think.

  542. foreverblessed says:

    And thank you too Beloved, for sharing your struggles with us.
    Just to abide in Jesus.
    Sounds simple….
    So hard to abide in Him
    To sit still at His feet
    Spiritually speaking that is.

    What is done in the Spirit lasts for eternity!

    Just as Jesus praised Mary, who sat at Jesus’ feet, instead of serving.
    We get up and serve, as I have to here at home, but done IN the rest in Jesus.

    Boy, that Rest IN Jesus sounds so simple, but we get busy busy.
    It is easier to rest one day a week physically, that to come to rest, minute by minute spiritually.

    May you enjoy your Rest, just with Jesus

  543. undefined says:

    I’ve read this many many times but today it’s meaning comes full force to me.

    9For “ in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.” !!!

    10And you have been made complete in Christ,

    who is the head over every ruler and authority.

    I’ve never seen Jesus this way before today. As being a physical body with Father Son and Holy Spirit dwelling in One. Or just haven’t thought about it before. It’s very important to know.

  544. jeff1 says:

    Your kingdom come, O God;
    your rule, O Christ, begin;
    break with your iron rod
    the tyrannies of sin.

    2 Where is your reign of peace
    and purity and love?
    When shall all hatred cease
    as in the realms above?

    3 When comes the promised time,
    the end of strife and war;
    when lust, oppression, crime
    and greed shall be no more?

    4 O Lord our God, arise
    and come in your great might!
    Revive our longing eyes
    which languish for your sight.

    5 On lands both near and far
    thick darkness gathers yet:
    arise, O Morning Star,
    arise and never set!

  545. undefined says:

    Heaven Came Down

    Oh what a wonderful
    Wonderful day
    Day I will never forget
    After I’d wandered in darkness away, Jesus my Savior I met
    Oh what a tender, compassionate friend, He met the need of my heart
    Shadows dispelling, with joy I am telling, He made all the darkness depart
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul
    When at the cross the Savior made me whole
    My sins were washed away
    My night was turned to day
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul

    Born of the Spirit with life from above into God’s family divine
    Justified fully through Calvary’s love
    Oh what a standing is mine
    And the transaction so quickly was made, when as a sinner I came
    Took of the offer
    Of grace He did proffer
    He saved me
    Oh praise His dear name

    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul
    When at the cross the Savior made me whole
    My sins were washed away
    My night was turned to day
    Heaven came down and glory filled my soul

  546. foreverblessed says:

    Tonight, on May 4, at 20.00, we have 1 minute of silence,
    “Remembrance of the dead”

    In remembrance of all that have fallen in WW2, and fallen afterwards, in military missions since the war.

    It is a national holiday.
    On the Dam, the square bin Amsterdam, there is a memorial. Flowers will be out there. Victims of the nazi camps, those of the resistance.

    Behind the curtain….

    God knows.
    This is what Jesus said: My Kingdom is not of this world
    The Kingdom of God is like…

  547. SFDBWV says:

    Matthew didn’t want to go to the viewing for Michael (3-6pm Sunday). He hadn’t seen Michael for over 21 years and he remembered him as that kid he knew growing up. Matt doesn’t actually remember much of his past at all. Just names and little pieces here and there.

    His friend Mere did go and that evening called Matt as she had promised. She told him of all the old school mates that was there.

    Afterwards Matt and I talked about how none of those same people never come to visit him, or call him. In fact they had no real contact with Michael over these past 21 years except maybe on “Facebook”.

    I agreed it was nice to support Michael’s family in their grief, but it was a waste to visit a dead friend, when one is alive and suffers loneliness every day.

    Something precious and wonderful has been lost in the world we now live in. People speak of love but never truly practice it or understand its meaning.

    How very appropriate that the pictures people take of themselves and post on line are called “me-me’s”.


  548. jeff1 says:

    It’s not the things that can be bought
    that are life’s richest treasure,
    It’s just the little “heart gifts”
    that money cannot measure . . .
    A cheerful smile, a friendly word, a sympathetic nod
    Are priceless little treasures
    from the storehouse of our God . . .
    They are the things that can’t be bought
    with silver or with gold,
    For thoughtfulness and kindness
    and love are never sold . . .
    They are the priceless things in life
    for which no one can pay,
    And the giver finds rich recompense
    in giving them away.

  549. poohpity says:

    It took me a while to learn the difference in “selfies” and “memes”.

  550. poohpity says:

    The funniest “meme” I saw recently was under the “Happy Birthday” category when as a lady who was 102 blew out her candles her false teeth flew out and she just cracked up. I sent it to one of my friends for her birthday with the message “this is what we have to look forward to, lol”

  551. poohpity says:

    Meme is pronounced mem with a long “E” sound and the “e” on the end is silent.

  552. poohpity says:

    This week on Discover the Word it is about, “The Master of Forgiveness” it is about forgiving others.

  553. undefined says:

    Beyond the Curtain
    Romans6. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  554. jeff1 says:

    O Christ, our hope, our hearts’ desire,
    redemption’s only spring;
    creator of the world art thou,
    its Savior and its King.

    2 How vast the mercy and the love
    which laid our sins on thee,
    and led thee to a cruel death
    to set thy people free.

    3 But now the bonds of death are burst,
    the ransom has been paid;
    and thou art on thy Father’s throne
    in glorious robes arrayed.

    4 O may thy mighty love prevail
    our sinful souls to spare;
    O may we come before thy throne,
    and find acceptance there!

    5 O Christ, be thou our present joy,
    our future great reward;
    our only glory may it be
    to glory in the Lord.

    6 All praise to thee, ascended Lord;
    all glory ever be
    to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
    through all eternity.

  555. Beloved says:

    I fixed it!

  556. foreverblessed says:

    Congratulations, Beloved!

    That verse, Romans 6:22
    Now that you have been set free, you have become slaves to God.

    The word slaves is used.

    Last Sunday on the sermon we heard: being a leader is one who serves, but the preacher said: Jesus used the word:

    And whoever wants to be first must be your slave.
    Matthew 22:27

    Slaves were the lowest of the lowest in Roman times.
    And that position Jesus pointed to.
    It is a matter of our ego.
    (Egging God Out) When our ego is gone, it doesn’t matter to us that we are being viewed as a slave.
    It is no point to you.
    Because you know that you are a beloved child of God. Our Father in heaven dearly loves us.
    He does not reign over us as a lord over a slave. We are sure about that.

    And yet Jesus uses the word slave, and so does Paul.
    Jesus went beyond that, and gave His Life for us.
    Layed down His Life for us.

    Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.
    Matthew 20:28

  557. Beloved says:

    Yes slaves indeed!

    I have been thinking about how the devil has distorted this with the old new age heresy of how we are somehow more special than others when we accept Christ. Then once this takes hold the focus is on us, and not God. I was just writing on FB I wonder how “successful” some churches would be if the pastor/elders only had two changes of clothes and wore one pair of shoes until they wore out. And preached the gospel every Sunday! We need to remember who we are because of Christ-slaves to truth and righteousness!

    He never changes, century after century He remains the same. Praise God our Father and our LORD Jesus Christ 🙌

  558. Beloved says:

    Slaves to Righteousness
    15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace?(A) By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey(B)—whether you are slaves to sin,(C) which leads to death,(D) or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God(E) that, though you used to be slaves to sin,(F) you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching(G) that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin(H) and have become slaves to righteousness.(I)

  559. foreverblessed says:

    You are not your own,
    You were bought with a price.


  560. foreverblessed says:

    “….how we are somehow more special than others when we accept Christ. ”

    That is indeed such a good observation.
    We are Jesus’, and He is concerned to save all.
    So He changes us to have His eyes for the lost, His heart for the world.

    Matthew 20:22-23
    Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?
    We can, they answered.
    Jesus said to them,
    You will indeed drink from my cup…

    That we will drink from His cup is a promise Jesus made.
    When we made the choice to follow Him, we said:
    I love Jesus above, everything else.

    We don’t have to follow Jesus..

    But when we do, we will what Jesus is feeling: the weariness of the world, the pain, the depression of the lost.
    But we have our eyes on Jesus, and trust that in God everything is possible, because Jesus has gone before us,
    Be has conquered sin and death
    And now sits at the right hand of God.
    And we are here on earth, the Holy Spirit strengthening us
    We are chosen to be the firstfruits, but there is “work” to do.

    Whenever I make puzzle, I always think: this is how God works too, Be takes one piece at a time, He does not take them all at once and put them in place, but one by one.
    It just so happens that there must be first pieces and last pieces.

    Anyway, Jesus always talks about being humble,
    The kingdom of God, be like children

  561. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, this whole story makes me very sad. Including the loneliness of Matt.
    May the family be comforted, and may Matt be comforted too!
    Because of Jesus.

  562. foreverblessed says:

    Today is 71 years ago that we were freed from the Nazis.
    Thanks to God.
    And for those who fell, gave their lives. Many many from the US, lay here in graves. What a sacrifice.
    And for some reason I think that this will not happen again.
    That an army will come to save.
    Then we will see what God will do, in answer to christians praying on unity.

    I am reading a book, on “Germans, reality and myths”
    That the myths about the German people is made greater and greater, the last hundreds of years, that they are a special race, pure blood. A special people, and that they need room to live, “Blut und Boden” the soil of Germany is of the germans.

    I believe that as christians we have Jesus, Whom we pledged alliance to, Jesus, Who said:
    My Kingdom is not of this world.

    We are not busy, defending a piece of land here, but the realm of our heart, being a Temple for the Holy Spirit, touching other hearts, and so making His Kingdom bigger and bigger.

  563. foreverblessed says:

    In this book about the germans, the writes asks: how come that Hitler could make such a big economy, when Germany was broke, after WW1, and they had to pay back lots of money?
    I have never thought about that. I always thought that it was because germans work so hard. But where did the money come from to build factories, the steal industry?
    Now this was shocking to me: Hitler got a lot of money from western industrial and financial trusts. They thought it wise to back up Hitler against the Communism. The danger of Bolsjewisme.
    For fear of communism, they created another monster, a Fascist dictator.

    Not to end this in the down mode;
    Put your trust in Jesus, He sits at the right hand of God.
    (Beloved, the commentary of MacLaten on Hebrews 10:12 is wonderful)

  564. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed like that old TV show “X Files” used to open by saying, “The truth is out there.”

    World War II in Europe was a direct result of the blunders and greed of the French and English governments imposing impossible financial burdens upon the German people for WWI.

    A lesson well learned and at the end of WWII instead of continued hostilities against the German people we helped them recover from a war ravaged country and made a friend in doing so.

    Money it would seem is always behind every war.

    Most people would be shocked to learn that it was western industrialists who financed the Russian revolution in an attempt to take down the Tsarist Russian rule and open up Russia to industrialization.

    In order to make more money.

    I don’t intend to debate the differences between Communism and Capitalism here and am not. I do though want to quote Michael Douglas’ character in the movie “Wall Street” with his opening line, “Greed is good”.

    World wars and economies are a huge subject to discuss. Many books are written about each, but somewhere in it all, the truth is out there.


  565. jeff1 says:

    Come, thou long-expected Jesus,
    born to set thy people free;
    from our fears and sins release us;
    let us find our rest in thee.

    2 Israel’s strength and consolation,
    hope of all the earth thou art;
    dear desire of every nation,
    joy of every longing heart.

    3 Born thy people to deliver,
    born a child and yet a king;
    born to reign in us for ever,
    now thy gracious kingdom bring.

    4 By thine own eternal Spirit,
    rule in all our hearts alone:
    by thine all-sufficient merit,
    raise us to they glorious throne.

    Charles Wesley (1707-88)

  566. foreverblessed says:

    Oh yes, Steve, that is right! Lenin was sent by a train through Germany, from Switzerland to Russia, a train, with lots and lots of money.

    When do the christian nations learn to humble themselves before God, and ask Him what to do.

    Be aware of the yeast of Herod, and the yeast of the Pharesies.
    That was Jesus’ warning,
    Meaning to say: political power and religious power used to get what you want.

    Instead of trusting Jesus, walking humbly with Him.

    And it is 76 years ago, since the liberation of our country, not 71 years.

    He that the Son made free is free indeed,
    (About being slaves)

  567. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful song, Jeff!

  568. foreverblessed says:

    Some more on the Body and Blood of Christ:

    Hebrew 9:11 (MacLaren)

    That blood, as shed on earth, avails to ‘put away sin’; as presented in heaven, it avails ‘for us,’ being ever present before the divine eye, and influencing the divine dealings. That entrance is the climax of the process by which He obtained ‘eternal redemption’ for us. Initial redemption is obtained through His death, but the full, perfect unending deliverance from all sin and evil is obtained, indeed, by His passing into the Holy Place above, but possessed in fact only when we follow Him thither. We need Him who ‘became dead’ for pardon and cleansing; we need Him who is ‘alive for evermore’ for present participation in His life and present sitting with Him in the heavenly places, and for the ultimate and eternal entrance there, whence we shall go no more out.

    The blood: forgiveness
    The Body, new Life in Christ

  569. foreverblessed says:

    1 Cor 15:45
    Last Adam, started in Bethlehem and ended in the Tomb.
    Jesus gathered up in Himself, His Body,
    all that was in Adam,the sum total of humanity,
    and took it to judgment and death.
    1 Cor 45:47
    As the Second Man, that began at the Resurrection, and last for eternity.
    For having in His death done away with the first man, in whom God’s purpose was frustrated, by the fall of Adam,
    He rose again as Head of a New Race of man,
    in whom God’s purpose shall be fully realized.

    A new race: where there is no male nor female, no Jew nor Greek, no slave nor free, no left no right, no American no European, you are all one in Christ Jesus
    Gal 3:28

  570. jeff1 says:

    CREATOR of the starry height,
    thy people’s everlasting light,
    Jesu, redeemer of us all,
    hear thou thy servants when they call.

    2 Thou, grieving at the helpless cry
    of all creation doomed to die,
    didst come to save our fallen race
    by healing gifts of heav’nly grace.

    3 When earth was near its evening hour,
    thou didst, in love’s redeeming pow’r,
    like bridegroom from his chamber, come
    forth from a virgin-mother’s womb.

    4 At thy great name, exalted now,
    all knees in lowly homage bow;
    all things in heav’n and earth adore,
    and own thee King for evermore.

    5 To thee, O Holy One, we pray,
    our judge in that tremendous day,
    ward off, while yet we dwell below,
    the weapons of our crafty foe.

    6 To God the Father, God the Son
    and God the Spirit, Three in One,
    praise, honor, might and glory be
    from age to age eternally (Amen.)

    v. 3 based on Psalm 19: 5 v. 4 Philippians 2: 10-11

  571. Beloved says:

    Forever I read maclarens and especially loved the picture of Christ seated on the throne yet “jumping to his feet” to help one in distress as the martyrs were and are. This also I found very comforting:

    “‘Being at the right hand of God exalted, He hath showed forth this which ye now see and hear.’ So, working with us, working in us, working for us, working through us, the ever active Christ is with His people, and seated at the right hand of God, shares in all their labours, in all their difficulties, in all their warfare.”

    Steve I too was touched again by the loneliness of Matt and the unfairness of being physically unable to participate in life, love and moving about at will. His chains are too real but for the grace of God in having a loving caregiver as you are to him. 🙏

  572. jeff1 says:

    CROWN him with many crowns,
    the Lamb upon his throne,
    hark! how the heavenly anthem drowns
    all music but its own:
    awake, my soul, and sing
    of him who died for thee,
    and hail him as thy matchless King
    through all eternity.

    2 Crown him the Virgin’s Son,
    the God incarnate born,
    whose conquering arm those trophies won
    which now his brown adorn:
    the Savior long foretold,
    the branch of Jesse’s stem,
    the eternal shepherd of his fold,
    the babe of Bethlehem.

    3 Crown him the Lord of love;
    behold his hands and side,
    those wounds, yet visible above,
    is beauty glorified:
    no angel in the sky
    can fully bear that sight,
    but downward bends his wondering eye
    at mysteries so bright.

    4 Crown him the Lord of life
    who triumphed o’er the grave,
    and rose victorious in the strife,
    for those he came to save:
    his glories now we sing,
    who died and rose on high,
    who died eternal life to bring,
    and lives that death may die.

    5 Crown him the Lord of peace,
    whose power a sceptre sways
    from pole to pole, that wars may cease,
    and all be love and praise:
    his reign shall know no end;
    and round his pierced feet
    one thousand tones of earth shall blend
    in concord ever sweet.

    6 Crown him the Lord of years,
    the Potentate of time,
    creator of the rolling spheres,
    ineffably sublime:
    all hail, Redeemer, hail!
    for thou hast died for me;
    thy praise shall never, never fail
    throughout eternity.

    based on Revelation 19: 12

  573. jeff1 says:

    I wondered why we have numerous denominations until I seen for myself having been brought up in the Protestant faith how we disagree and divide.

    I guess if I consider the word Protestant and break it down ‘Protest’ is what we are very good at.

    No wonder my dad was so strict in word and example as in the foolishness of my youth he was forever warning me of my ‘need’ to focus on ‘Christ and His Suffering’ and not on religions beliefs or how others had come to possess them.

    I think today of my dad’s wisdom and how the words on his lips were ‘if it pleases God,’ as a child and growing up I am not sure I understood how my dad seemed so sure of what pleased God but I will say this for him and that is he lived his life trying to, for his actions aligned with his words yet I disagreed with him on many things and one of them was the signing of the peace agreement here 1998 not long before he passed away himself.

    I have since come to see that he was right, again, as in looking back at the disagreements I had with him I realize he was so much better at getting it right.

    I don’t have to wonder why that was as knowing the man I see now that he was not someone who would brag ‘I told you so’ or never did he expect me or anyone to ‘Do as he said’ for he was of the ‘focus on Christ’, and all else will become clear to you thinkers, and looking at the religious environment I have grown up and now in my advanced years I see that my dad knew what he was talking about and I expect that is down to the fact that he was closer to God than I ever have been and whether than is down to my dad’s good judgement calls or God Himself I do not know but I will say that my dad lead his life considering God first, other’s second and himself last and didn’t seem to have the ‘Protest’ mentality that so many of my peers have and today I thank God that I had him for an example as that as been so very important in shaping my own faith.

    If I fail today to see God as clear as my dad did it is because I lack the discipline to ‘Focus on Christ’ as he did because it does take discipline and that is a gift of the Spirit to my thinking though it is not mentioned as such but correct me if I am wrong.

  574. SFDBWV says:

    Viv many times in the past I have said you do just fine in your faith. No one need correct you.

    Indeed the word “Protestant” comes from the word protest as it was how the “church” viewed the split from the structure of the Roman Catholic Church. A protest.

    Christianity has a violent history and when viewed from the violent cruel attempt by those in control to keep their parishioners in line, one does not see Jesus at all.

    However when viewed with the focus on Jesus, God is revealed to the world and compassion replaces cruelty. The world at large changed for the better.

    However the struggle between good and evil in mankind continues and will until that great serpent is forever done away with.

    Today is our National Day of Prayer, I pray for revival in my country and in every nation on earth.


  575. Beloved says:

    Reading Mark today and am struck by the slowness of those of the status quo to understand who Jesus was.” You cannot put new wine into old wineskins” – well you can actually but the old skins won’t hold for very long. Something must change. Praise God!

  576. street says:

    14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    peace instead of protest. love and joy come before peace. Jesus how long? thinking when their hostility has been put to death, the old man. not a work of the flesh, but a work of the Spirit. under construction for the Glory of God.

  577. jeff1 says:

    God has spoken – by his prophets,
    spoken his unchanging word,
    each from age to age proclaiming
    God, the one, the righteous Lord;
    in the world’s despair and turmoil
    one firm anchor still holds fast:
    God is King, his throne eternal,
    God the first and God the last.

    2 God has spoken – by Christ Jesus,
    Christ, the everlasting Son,
    brightness of the Father’s glory,
    with the Father over one:
    spoken by the Word incarnate,
    Life, before all time began,
    Light of light to earth descending,
    God revealed as Son of Man.

    3 God is speaking – by his Spirit
    speaking to our hearts again;
    in the age-long word expounding
    God’s own message, now as then.
    Through the rise and fall of nations
    one sure faith is standing fast:
    God abides, his word unchanging,
    God the first and God the last.

    based on Hebrews 1: 1-2

  578. poohpity says:

    Has being allowed to go “Beyond the Curtain” changed the way we interact with God and others? In other words does being given an atonement for our sins change our heart towards God which then will effect change in how we interact with others as in forgiveness, mercy and grace? Or do we still act like the curtain remains separating us from God and hold tight to the hardness of heart that we were born with, no change, remaining the same as we were before?

  579. poohpity says:

    Does what Jesus said apply to me? John 13:34-35 NLT

    This hymn is over 30 years old, but it could have been written this morning. I love what it says: we’ll be recognized as Christians — true disciples of Jesus — not by our rhetoric or our politics or even the soundness of our theology, but by our love.

    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    And we pray that all unity may one day be restored
    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    And we’ll guard each one’s dignity and save each one’s pride
    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
    We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
    And together we’ll spread the news that God is in our land
    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    Love is patient, love is kind
    Never boasts, not full of pride
    Always hopes, always trusts
    The evidence of Christ in us

    This is my commandment that you love one another that your joy may be full

    That is a life lived “Beyond the Curtain”!

  580. Beloved says:

    Beyond the curtain

    No more sin!!!

  581. poohpity says:

    That would be nice if there would be no more sin beyond the curtain but we know that is not the truth. There will always be sin as long as we are in the flesh but beyond the curtain, we know that there is forgiveness of sin and restoration of relationships between God and man as well as between man and man.

  582. jeff1 says:

    When I must leave you
    for a little while,
    Please do not grieve
    and shed wild tears
    And hug your sorrow
    to you through the years,
    But start out bravely
    with a gallant smile;
    And for my sake
    and in my name
    Live on and do
    all things the same,
    Feed not your loneliness
    on empty days,
    But fill each waking hour
    in useful ways,
    Reach out your hand
    in comfort and in cheer
    And I in turn will comfort you
    and hold you near;
    And never, never
    be afraid to die,
    For I am waiting
    for you in the sky!

  583. Beloved says:

    With the passing of someone we love, our minds go to questions of what lies beyond the curtain.

    No more sin!!!

  584. Beloved says:

    2Corinthians4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
    17 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison,
    18 as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.

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