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The LORD Bless You…

Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

Temple leaders wanted to know by what authority Jesus had turned over the tables of the moneychangers. It was then that he made his veiled comment about rebuilding this temple in three days— a comment that even his disciples didn’t get until after he had risen from the dead. (John 2:13-21)

Why did Jesus conflate the two?  I’m guessing it was because both had a lot to do with the heart of His Father.

The nationalistic version of Israel’s Jerusalem Temple had become a symbol of pride and economic gain for the religious upper class that was controlling it. To this day those Temple managers aren’t remembered for caring much about a world of internationals, or even their own poor.

Those who were upset with Jesus had learned how to use their Temple-centered god into a profitable economic engine. Their vested interests must have had a lot to do with why they didn’t recognize the far greater Temple who was making himself inconvenient—on his way to offering a life-changing vision of a God who would soon sacrifice himself to make atonement not only for their sin— but for the sin of the world—

and to give us reason to love such a God and those who don’t love us—by slowly overwhelming us with how much he loves us and those we love… and don’t.

One of Jesus’ closest friends later wrote, “perfect love casts out fear.” What was John thinking? He tells us (1John 4:13-21). It’s not only a what but a  WhoWho when known helps us to understand why he says over and over to all kinds of people, “Don’t be afraid”. Why? Is it because he’s urging us not to be afraid of our own inclinations, or sin, or bad actors, or devils? Isn’t he instead urging us to overcome all of those fears by loving and living in the light of his smiling face and open arms!

I’m thinking that’s what must have been in view when Moses taught the priests of Israel to pray a strangely inclusive and generous blessing over a nation that couldn’t keep its promises?

The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26 (NIV)

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594 Responses to “The LORD Bless You…”

  1. Hugger4U says:

    Thank you for the new topic Mart!

    The Father is love. Nothing greater in the universe to be blessed by our Father’s love. Jesus was the son that revealed the Father’s love. Holy Spirit is manifesting His love to us and through us to others. Let us bless and not curse. Walk in His Love and Light to dispel the darkness of evil.


  2. street says:

    Why did Jesus conflate the two?

    had to look up conflate…..

    conflate verb (used with object), con·flat·ed, con·flat·ing.
    to fuse into one entity; merge: to conflate dissenting voices into one protest.

    seem to me the copy of the temple purpose had been destroyed by people who could not grasp it’s purpose. taking it by force if you will.

    Jesus goes on to say destroy this Temple…..

    as if to say you will fail. they did put Him to the cross, so that He would taste death for all that would trust Him for New Life.

    conflate comes to mind ….to make two into O/one.

    to fuse the Temple and God, One.

    God is All and in All, future, inheritance.

    thinking about the present and presents

    thinking ends where faith begins.

    the Gift of God…Grace & Mercy

  3. street says:

    thinking of the sacrifice of Love.

    it’s Holy zeal and jealousy.

    The Way Truth Life

    thinking again that the part i have the most trouble with is the truth understanding apprehending applying abiding. not unlike the scribes and pharisees.

    taking up the cross is a prerequisite. oh daily. ouch

  4. SFDBWV says:

    I too thank Mart for giving us a new subject. I hope he is doing ok.

    The finishing paragraph reminded me of our missing friend Viv. I do hope she is ok, but her absence is troubling.

    Our new subject has many directions it can go. In fact I got a laugh reading, “Those… who learned to use their temple- centered god into a profitable economic engine.”

    Sadly it reminds me too much of some Christian television and in some cases “circus events”. Not all, but enough to do damage to the ones who are “authentic”.

    There is a song I listen to every morning at the computer sung by Enya, “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. “To you Israel shall come Emmanuel”.

    God it would seem created the nation of Israel for this purpose to bring Jesus to the world. Jesus being the only person of earthly birth to accomplish all that Israel and all that mankind could only fail to do.

    The story remains all about Him.

    I hope all of you today are blessed. Life isn’t easy for any of us, the best we can do is make it a little easier for someone else.


  5. Beloved says:

    thinking ends where faith begins.

    Isaiah 1:18
    English Standard Version
    18 “Come now, (A)let us reason[a] together, says the Lord:
    though your sins are like scarlet,
    they shall be as (B)white as snow;
    though they are red like crimson,
    they shall become like wool.


    Isaiah 1:18 Or dispute

  6. Beloved says:

    Street I had to clarify for myself what it means to take up your cross. I discovered it does not mean carrying burdens but this: From Got Questions dot org

    If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
    • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
    • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
    • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
    • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
    • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?

    In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased, “Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?

    Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it” (Matthew 16:25-26).

  7. Beloved says:

    Good morning Steve hope all goes well for you and family today! I’m sure you could use an easy day.

  8. street says:

    thinking ends where faith begins.

    the Gift of God…Grace & Mercy

    6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in Me, and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. John 15:6-8

  9. Beloved says:

    ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. John 15:6-8

    Aha! I was thinking of this verse earlier when I asked God for something specific and now see what the purpose of asking is, to bear fruit, proving we are His disciples! My ask had nothing to do with bearing fruit. Not too old to learn 😕

  10. street says:

    this verse as come home to roost in the last few days.

    30 But it is due to Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, [af]and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

    but due to Him, God, caused us to be born again, while we were still sinners to be made alive to Christ. Who has become Wisdom from God and righteousness sanctification redemption.

    some translation add holiness.

    4 But ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day. Deuteronomy 4:4

    Deuteronomy 30:20
    That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

    2 Corinthians 3:3
    Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

  11. street says:

    what it means to take up your cross.

    7 But whatever things were gain to me, these things I have counted as loss because of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss [a]in view of the surpassing value of [b]knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, [c]for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them mere rubbish, so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
    Philippians 3:7-9

    thinking four soils here and the grace of God.

  12. street says:

    a love that is a living sacrifice. pour out into our hearts by a Holy Spirit. thinking rooted in Christ, cleaving to.

    love without the sacrifice of pride is not love.

    God is not prideful or unrighteous, He is Holy Holy Holy. The whole Earth is filled with His Glory. thinking Jesus, human with a sinless body made of earth sitting on the Thrown of God filled with 7 Spirits of God.

    thinking of seven horns….all Power and Authority

    some day standing before the Thrown of God as a Lamb that had been slain. Revelation 5:6

  13. street says:

    I hope all of you today are blessed. Life isn’t easy for any of us, the best we can do is make it a little easier for someone else.


    thank you steve.

    we have a pizza franchise here that has a motto. every piece is important.

    “The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace.”

    the fullness of His Son’s Love Joy and Peace.

  14. street says:

    thinking of oswald chambers from a few days ago where he said justified as a completed work in full. instantaneous.

    called sanctified justified glorified.

    9 then He [a]said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second. 10 By [b]this will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. Hebrews 10:

  15. street says:

    1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? Hebrews 10

    12 Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living and holy sacrifice, [a]acceptable to God, which is your [b]spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this [c]world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may [d]prove what the will of God is, that which is good and [e]acceptable and perfect.

  16. SFDBWV says:

    In the Eastern Orthodox church, and I believe in Catholic Churches as well, a somewhat famous simple prayer is offered up by billions.

    It is called “The Jesus Prayer” and goes as follows; “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.”

    Moses’s prayer is indeed of great comfort and like the above mentioned prayer short and to the point.

    God blesses us in ways we don’t understand or even are aware of. How do we bless others?

    I had mentioned in the last subject string of comments that an old teacher of Matt’s had stopped in and visited with him. In parting I explained to him how his visit blessed Matt and not all that strangely, blessed him as well.

    It seems that you cannot bless another without being blessed yourself.

    Love begets love, while on a darker side anger begets anger and hate begets hate. There is no blessing whereas anger and hatred are concerned. As well as no peace.

    I am thinking love offers up a great many blessings and that perfect love covers it all.

    Still holding out hope to hear from Viv and Regina soon.


  17. Beloved says:

    The LORD bless you….indeed He has

    Psalm 71:
    5For You are my hope, O Lord God;
    You are my trust from my youth.
    6By You I have been upheld from birth;
    You are He who took me out of my mother’s womb.
    My praise shall be continually of You. Amen

  18. bubbles says:

    Well, it was visit at the nursing home, got a bite to eat, came home, and then I had to go to a new ER for another health episode with loved one. Something has happened EVERY weekend and EVERY holiday this summer. I am weary, and I feel like I cannot take any more. This past week was hard, and here we go again with more issues this week. Major appliance had to be replaced this weekend, came home to an empty house tonight and to a mess the cat made and something else in the house is broken and I don’t know how to replace it. I asked for a chaplain to pray and talk with me, and of course no one was there. I texted a friend, but they have never had to deal with chronic illnesses and death, so she really cannot understand. She’s never been with someone when they died. Like so many times before, the hospital is at capacity and the loved one will have to stay in the ER for who knows how long until a bed is available. And here we go again with another crisis to start the week.

  19. Beloved says:

    Prayers for you bubbles.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.”
    Hebrews 11:1

    I pray for Bubbles, that she may look to Jesus, as the recurring thing in her life is the failure of fellow men to help her.
    I pray she may persevere in her faith in Jesus.

  21. foreverblessed says:

    That verse in Hebrews is the Verse of the day on bible gateway.
    I was looking for a Psalm, that says:
    Why are you troubled o my soul, look to God.
    As Bubbles did the last time when she was overwhelmed.
    The Psalmist talks to his soul, that is troubled.
    And he has to do that repeatedly, more than once.

    “Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God.”
    Psalm 42:5,11, Psalm 43:5

    “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour.”
    Jesus’ words in John 12:27
    Even Jesus had to talk to His troubled soul.

    The Church is called a Mother, as a mother comforts her troubles children, we pray for comfort for our troubled fellow christians, but we point to Jesus, only Jesus can fill a soul, live in there through His Spirit.
    (Beloved, how wonderful that God talked to you in your distress, and comforted you: “I love you more than all the leaves of that plant”.)
    I pray that God will comfort Bubbles.

  22. foreverblessed says:

    Mart asks: I’m thinking that’s what must have been in view when Moses taught the priests of Israel to pray a strangely inclusive and generous blessing over a nation that couldn’t keep its promises?

    “The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26 (NIV)

    I was thinking about:
    Blessed are the poor in spirit.
    Matthew 5:1-12
    The Beatitudes:
    The teaching of Jesus to His children that are born of water and Spirit.

  23. Beloved says:

    The Lord Remains Faithful
    16At my first defense, no one stood with me, but everyone deserted me. May it not be charged against them. 17But the Lord stood by me and strengthened me, so that through me the message would be fully proclaimed, and all the Gentiles would hear it. So I was delivered from the mouth of the lion. 18And the Lord will rescue me from every evil action and bring me safely into His heavenly kingdom. To Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen. 2Timothy4:16-18

    I like his attitude in his aloneness: may it not be held against them! Praying for those who deserted him. Then his confidence that the LORD would rescue him v. 18. I believe these words are good to frame our personal experiences with. Memorization has always helped me.

  24. Beloved says:

    Blessing prayed over a nation that couldn’t keep it promises!
    This cuts me, I am just like them. How many times I’ve made promises in good faith but could not keep them! Yet the LORD blesses me and keeps me. Mercy received and loving others made possible through the work of God in me. Blessed Holy Spirit! Peace.

  25. street says:

    Psalm 91
    1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
    will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a]
    2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
    my God, in whom I trust.”

    3 Surely he will save you
    from the fowler’s snare
    and from the deadly pestilence.
    4 He will cover you with his feathers,
    and under his wings you will find refuge;
    his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
    5 You will not fear the terror of night,
    nor the arrow that flies by day,
    6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
    nor the plague that destroys at midday.
    7 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand,
    but it will not come near you.
    8 You will only observe with your eyes
    and see the punishment of the wicked.

    9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”
    and you make the Most High your dwelling,
    10 no harm will overtake you,
    no disaster will come near your tent.
    11 For he will command his angels concerning you
    to guard you in all your ways;
    12 they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
    13 You will tread on the lion and the cobra;
    you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

    14 “Because he[b] loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;
    I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
    15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
    I will be with him in trouble,
    I will deliver him and honor him.
    16 With long life I will satisfy him
    and show him my salvation.”

  26. Beloved says:

    1 Peter 4:7-11 NIV

    The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

    Thank you Mart for your hospitality and inviting so many here over the years.

  27. poohpity says:

    Isaiah 44: This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies:

    “I am the First and the Last;
    there is no other God.
    Who is like me?
    Let him step forward and prove to you his power.
    Let him do as I have done since ancient times
    when I established a people and explained its future.
    Do not tremble; do not be afraid.
    Did I not proclaim my purposes for you long ago?
    You are my witnesses—is there any other God?
    No! There is no other Rock—not one!”

    Isaiah 48: “But there is no peace for the wicked,”
    says the Lord.

  28. Beloved says:

    Fear God and Keep His Commandments

    Ecclesiastes 12:9Besides being wise, the Preacher also taught the people knowledge, weighing and studying and arranging many proverbs with great care. 10The Preacher sought to find words of delight, and uprightly he wrote words of truth.

    11The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. 12My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

    13The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.c 14For God will bring every deed into judgment, withd every secret thing, whether good or evil.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    1 John 4:17
    “Love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence in the day of judgment,
    That is really reassuring! All secret things whether good or bad, God is searching now already in our hearts. We are purified sanctified now.
    No fear is needed. God is for us.
    But the next part of that verse might make us feeble again:

    …because in this world we are like Him”.

    I might think: am I like Jesus, in this world? Look how beautiful, how graceful how understanding Jesus is. And then look at myself:
    O dear, lots and lots of work to do still.

    But should I then fear the judgment day?
    Or should I consider that I am a work of God in progress, and because of the Blood of Jesus, I am covered for any failure, be it 70 times 7.
    And so are you.

  30. foreverblessed says:

    Romans 7:21-8:
    “21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
    Life through the Spirit

    8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    What I get from this topic is that Mart wants to say:
    Do not fear, because perfect love drives out fear.
    No fear for judgement.

    Because fear has to do with punishment.

    When we are in Christ Jesus, through faith, we know that Jesus took our punishment on Him.
    We believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He came in the flesh, blood of our blood and flesh of our flesh.

    So as to condemn sin in sinful man.
    Romans 8:3

    The condemnation is on sin in sinful man.
    Not on us, who are in Christ Jesus.
    In faith we are connected to Him.
    And His life flows through us and produces fruit that come from the By Spirit.

    So we are liberated from the dominion of our sinful man, that is dead in Christ. It is already dead, because of the Word of God, who put our sinful nature in Jesus Christ on the Cross.
    In order that we should so raise with Him, that we may live according to the Spirit.
    Because through Jesus Christ the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
    Romans 8:1-4

    We are liberated by Jesus Christ! We abide in Him.
    There is no condemnation for us.
    We have no fear of punishment.
    We are free to live in the law of the Spirit of life of Jesus!
    Thanks be to God!
    I can just be thankful, and rejoice!

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Learned last evening that my brother’s daughter Taylor, who is a nurse, has covid as well as his wife Sarah, partially vaccinated, and he is sick. though he has been vaccinated for quite some time.

    Fred, my brother, was retested at the ER last evening and will have the results today.

    They are all quarantined together with another daughter and grandchildren.

    Am requesting prayers for Fred and his family.

    Thank you

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Traveling through “YouTube” music this morning I was blessed to find Kris Kristofferson singing “Why Me Lord”.

    Had not heard that one for a while.


  34. foreverblessed says:

    Praying for that family, and for your brother, Steve!

    1 John 4:17 as He is so are we in the world

    Commentary by Alexander MacLaren:

    “That is contained, as I tried to show in my introductory remarks, in the earlier part of the verse. Our love is made perfect by dwelling in God, and God in us; in order that we may be thus conformed to Christ’s likeness, and so have boldness in that great day. To be like Jesus Christ, what is needed is that we love Him, and that we keep in touch with Him. What is it to ‘abide’ in Him?–to direct the continual flow of mind and love and will and practical obedience to Him, to bear Him ever in the secret place of my heart whilst my hands are occupied with daily business, and my feet are running the sometimes rough race that is set before me. Think of Him ever, love Him ever. Let His name be like a perfume breathed through the whole atmosphere of your lives. Keep your wills in the attitude of submission, of acceptance, of indecision when necessary, and of absolute dependence upon Him. Let your outward acts be such as shall not bring a film of separation between Him and you. When thus our whole being is steeped and drenched with Christ, then it cannot but be that we shall be like Him. Even ‘clouds themselves as suns appear, when the sun pierces them with light.’ ‘Abide in Me, and I in you.’ You cannot make yourselves like Christ, but you can fasten yourselves to Christ, and He will give you power which shall make you like Him.

    But, remember, such abiding is no idle waiting, no passive confidence. It is full of energy, full of suppression, when necessary, of what is contrary to your truest self, and full of strenuous cultivation of that which is in accord with the will of the Father, and with the likeness of the ‘first-born among many brethren.’

    Dear friends, lie in the light and you will become light. Abide in Christ, and you will get like Christ; and, being like Him, you will be able to lift up your heads, and rejoice when you front Him on the Throne, and you are at the bar. Then, when you are no more in the world, the likeness will be perfected, because the communion is complete. ‘We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.’

  35. poohpity says:

    Steve, I will be lifting up your brother Fred and his entire family to the Lord in prayer.

  36. Beloved says:

    Steve praying for your family also. I heard covid is on the rise again and affecting ages 27-59. We’ll all be masking up again I suppose.

  37. Beloved says:

    and to give us reason to love such a God and those who don’t love us—by slowly overwhelming us with how much he loves us and those we love… and don’t.

    For me this is the crux of Marts post. I read maclarens expo on love a few days ago. Seems to me when I turn off the shock of what evil someone’s done and see them through the eyes of Love it makes all the difference in the world- pun intended. It took me a long time to be able to do that as I know that many also have this problem. So many Christians on social media have this problem. But until our eyes are slowly and lovingly opened by the blessed Holy Spirit at work in us along with Godly preachers we fail. I think Solomon is brilliant. But then he was given wisdom from God. While he doesn’t mention love John who knew Jesus intimately was given the task of sharing what love is all about. I used to shy away from Johns 1,2,3 because is didn’t have a clue what he was talking about. Love had to grow in me- slowly as Mart says. Still learning I look forward to reward yo what lies ahead. Wow! What a journey!

  38. Beloved says:

    forward to what lies ahead.

  39. foreverblessed says:

    That God loves those who love Him, and who don’t.

    Ever Given.

    That is the name of the containership that has arrived in our port, Rotterdam. That was on our news today.
    That ship that had blocked the Suez canal.
    Such a beautiful name.

    God is always giving, if only He could. He waits till we invite Him
    Always waiting.
    Like the Father of the prodigal son.
    Always interceding, that is Jesus our High Priest.
    Jesus has not only carried the sin of those who love Him, but also of those who don’t love Him (yet).

    Indeed Beloved, that is hard to grasp for us humans.
    We have to get over our hurt, our dismay, our shock of what people can do.
    I have read it somewhere like this:
    When we sin, we look at a God who punishes.
    But this is how God looks at it:
    When we sin He sees that we miss the glory.
    He sees what we are missing out on.
    And He wants to give give give, His mercy, His grace, His peace, and this topic is: Love.

    Ever Given

  40. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, Solomon wrote this too:

    “Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taken place under the sun:
    I saw the tears of the oppressed- and they have no comforter.
    Power was on the side of their oppressors- and they have no comforter.”
    Eccl 4:1

    Isn’t that amazing?!!
    The oppressors have no comforter either, just like the oppressed.
    Solomon also sees the destitute and the whole in the hearts of the oppressors.

    We know from the New Testament that there is a Comforter for all. All who call on the Name of Jesus.

  41. SFDBWV says:

    I would like to thank all of you who have lifed my brother and his family up in prayer.

    Thank you.

    Fred’s daughter Taylor is already over her covid sickness and has been given the ok to return to work.

    While Fred and his wife Sarah are still sick and quarantined for the next 10 days.

    His other daughter shows no signs yet of being sick and his two grandchildren were sick well over a week ago and ok now.

    They all live together in Fred’s home.

    What is puzzling is that Fred is fully vaccinated for the original covid and that is what he has tested positive for. Not any of the variants.

    Again I want to thank all of you for your love and concern for my brother and his family.

    I thought an update was the proper thing to do.


  42. poohpity says:

    It seems the vaccine was never meant to stop someone from getting CoVid but to stop the severity or harm it causes if someone does get it. To me that is like what Jesus did never stops us from sinning entirely but gives us a choice to keep on sinning or chose another path while covering our sin with His blood and giving us a new path to follow rather than thinking we are able to follow the law, a New Covenant that He helps us follow. He took the punishment we deserved, death and gave us instead a new life we did not deserve through the resurrection.

    John 11: Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

  43. poohpity says:

    The Covid vaccine was meant to keep people from dying from it or needing to be put in ICU with the sever cases. It is for emergency use only by the FDA and has not been fully approved yet. That is according to the FDA but politicians are using it and other means to cause fear so you will do what the government wants you to do. Doesn’t that sound like oppression by fear?

  44. poohpity says:

    Yet they(government) are allowing people who are not tested for the virus and have it to infiltrate our towns around the country spreading the virus so there is a rise in cases but they blame it on the variant not broken borders because then they would have to admit they were wrong over ruling the laws that were in place to stop illegal entry into our country. Trusting the wrong people instead of trusting God can lead to ruin.

  45. bubbles says:

    Steve, Thankful for this news. Thank you for sharing and will continue to pray. Hope today is a good day for you, Matt, and Glenna.

  46. street says:

    thinking about adoption. is the idea a correct one in the Gospel message? it seems to me that born again is to be born into another family not adopted. sure paul speaks of the presents of evil in himself, buy we are given the Holy Spirit by which we mortify the old nature. we are given a new nature a Spiritual inheritance, eternal. so looking forward to life and abundant life. by faith by hope and by a love that never ends.

    i am glad fred and his family are doing well. i would like to add a prayer request. i was in indiana at a gathering of churches from all over the country. over 500 in attendance. pray for their protection from covid, but even more for fruitful service as they return to serving.

    so looking forward to a root canal today. another answer to prayer. Thank You Father.

  47. street says:

    That is according to the FDA but politicians are using it and other means to cause fear so you will do what the government wants you to do. Doesn’t that sound like oppression by fear?

    man shall no live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

    Jesus The Word Made Flesh.

    our work is to believe in the One Who has been sent. Jesus.

    James said faith without works is dead.

    my way of understanding this is we vote with our feet.

    Walk before Me and be blameless.

    Holy Ground

    light shining out of darkness

    image bearers

    easy and light yoke.

    Prince of Peace.

  48. Beloved says:

    Prayers for street and all today.

  49. Beloved says:

    Roman and Jewish ideas of adoption are different so the audience Paul is talking to would determine how he uses the word. Also adoption is a legal term having to do with salvation not position I believe. Born again by the spirit of God renewed in righteousness I’m thinking.

  50. street says:

    was going to comment on the picture mart choose for this discussion, but never got around to it. the idea of the picture was building from rubble. yet we know the ruler of this world and the world has been judged. time is running out. people complain about the corruption of the world but fail to understand it has been judged. that is bad news….yet there is good news!!!

  51. Beloved says:

    Plenty of corruption in the Body of Christ also and people get all bent out of shape but we’re not Home yet! Meanwhile we keep on loving serving and witnessing the Good news.

  52. foreverblessed says:

    Mart may have used the heap of stones as the rubble from the Temple.
    But it looks like as if the pile of stones lay in the riverbed, probably of the Jordan.
    (I think it is a picture Mart took himself, while being in Israel.

    Thinking about the subject, that we can remember how God has freed us, helped us cross into the river, and make a pile of stones as a remembrance, that is what Joshua did when Israel crossed the Jordan.

    Remember how God has saved us, and strengthened us so far.

  53. SFDBWV says:

    If I remember right Foreverblessed that pictured pile of rocks represents all that God had said was the only monument man could ever build, good enough for Him.

    Unless God builds the house it can not stand and cannot last.

    I often wondered how the pile of rocks placed in the Jordon when the Israelites crossed over into the “Promised Land” could have stood the tide of time with currents of water, even flood waters and erosion.

    Perhaps a lesson there in the simple act of placing a pile of stones in honor of God.

    A wet morning here after a night of rain. We needed it.


  54. poohpity says:

    If I remember right the stones were taken FROM the Jordan when Israel crossed it on dry ground and placed on the land after crossing, not in the river itself. They were in remembrance that the water was held up so they could cross on dry ground. They used uncut stones for remembrance that God alone did things that were not helped my human beings.

  55. poohpity says:

    There was also a pile of uncut stones signifying the treaty between the 2 1/2 tribes who stayed east of the Jordan with those on the west to not forgot they were all part of Israel, it was a memorial.

  56. poohpity says:

    But since there are more than 12 stones it is more than likely it is to signify the treaty that all Israel is One nation on both sides of the Jordon. Or they could mean something all together different and for another reason as a monument to remember. One man’s rubble is another man’s monument. But being part of the Temple that was destroyed wouldn’t they have to be cut stones not just miscellaneous kinds of rock?

  57. poohpity says:

    The prayer of Jesus for us;

    John 17: “I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. 21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

    22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. 24 Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!

    25 “O righteous Father, the world doesn’t know you, but I do; and these disciples know you sent me. 26 I have revealed you to them, and I will continue to do so. Then your love for me will be in them, and I will be in them.”

  58. street says:

    thinking about Joshua 22:10-34

    monument builders?

    the monument will be a witness for us?

    we will live in fear of others?

    thinking of the ephad of gideon or the bronze serpent moses made.

  59. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Jesus as the witness for us…26 I have revealed you to them, and I will continue to do so.

  60. Beloved says:

    The Witness that enters our very being!

  61. street says:

    Matthew 16:18
    And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

    1 Corinthians 3:11
    For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and all around as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. 20 And in this way I aspired to preach the gospel, not where Christ was already known by name, so that I would not build on another person’s foundation; 21 but just as it is written:

    “They who have not been told about Him will see,
    And they who have not heard will understand.”

    28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

    12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.
    14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    20 “I am not asking on behalf of these alone, but also for those who believe in Me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

    22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one;

  62. Beloved says:

    Rest In Your Love
    Song by Integrity’s Hosanna! Music and Marty Nystrom

    I will rest in Your love
    Put my trust in your goodness
    And set my thoughts on peaceful things above
    I will cast away my cares
    And find my joy in Your presence
    I will rest, I will rest in Your love

    Whom shall I fear, why should I worry?
    Your grace is enough for my need
    Your joy is my strength
    Your peace is my shelter
    You faithfully watch over me

    All of my doubts, all of my striving
    By faith I lay down at Your Throne
    Your Word is my shield, Your Spirit my power
    You tenderly care for Your own

    Whom shall I fear, why should I worry?
    Your grace is enough for my need
    Your joy is my strength
    Your peace is my shelter
    You faithfully watch over me

  63. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you so much for that song!
    May we rest in the Love of our dear Savior, the Love of God shown in Jesus Christ.

  64. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 27
    Of David.

    The Lord is my light and my salvation—
    whom shall I fear?
    The Lord is the stronghold of my life—
    of whom shall I be afraid?

    When the wicked advance against me
    to devour[a] me,
    it is my enemies and my foes
    who will stumble and fall.
    Though an army besiege me,
    my heart will not fear;
    though war break out against me,
    even then I will be confident.

    One thing I ask from the Lord,
    this only do I seek:
    that I may dwell in the house of the Lord
    all the days of my life,
    to gaze on the beauty of the Lord
    and to seek him in his temple.
    For in the day of trouble
    he will keep me safe in his dwelling;
    he will hide me in the shelter of his sacred tent
    and set me high upon a rock.

    Then my head will be exalted
    above the enemies who surround me;
    at his sacred tent I will sacrifice with shouts of joy;
    I will sing and make music to the Lord.

    That song from last night, reminded me of another song,
    “The Lord is My Light” from Psalm 27.
    We sang that in church as a choir, a choir setting of the words. It made deep impression on me as a teenager. That’s our God, I thought. He takes care of us, what should I fear?
    In the commentaries it is said, David means beloved, or darling, loved one.
    You probably did know that, Beloved.
    Every time I read a Psalm now, that says: of David
    I read: of the Beloved.
    That is you and me.
    And in fact all, but they ‘all” don’t know that yet.
    But Jesus died for all.

  65. poohpity says:

    Thank you Father for reminding us that every person is a priceless life worth saving. You let us know how valuable people are to you in the parables of the lost sheep, the lost coin and the lost son. When people feel they are nothing, they need to know that to you they are worth your life to redeem because you never give up the pursuit.

  66. Beloved says:

    I’ve always like psalm 27. I think psalm 23, one of the first I memorized in grade school goes with it. The LORD is my shepherd. Not mean angry caregivers etc etc but the LORD. He is my beloved and I am His beloved. Solomon spoke of that so beautifully didn’t he. Losing oneself in His love is dying to self maybe? Not sure.

  67. Beloved says:

    Dying. An ugly seed is placed in the ground to die, but what comes up is beautiful! Thinking of Jesus all ugly on the cross- dying. Yet rose to splendor and beauty and magnificence. We are not saved by grace because there is anything good or beautiful about us, sin had its way in Eden. We needed a Savior- and a shepherd to guide us to peace with the Father into His perfectly beautiful Kingdom.

  68. Beloved says:

    It is by grace you have been saved, not of yourself.

  69. street says:

    it, Salvation, is a gift of God.

  70. Beloved says:

    ◄ Ephesians 2:8 ►
    Context Crossref Comment Greek
    Verse (Click for Chapter)
    New International Version
    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

    New Living Translation
    God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.

    English Standard Version
    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

  71. Beloved says:

    Genesis 6:5-8. I was thinking about Noah and the description of the wickedness of man. God pulled no punches here. Nothing lovely or beautiful. Yet Noah found Gods favor. Same as Job who was spared and yet death finally became the seed -Jesus-to Eternal Life for ALL who believe!

  72. Beloved says:

    Amazing grace, how sweet.

  73. street says:

    thinking of ruth the moabite. she paints a picture of the gentile position and condition and God’s grace. unmerited and unexpected.

  74. Beloved says:

    She’s also mentioned in the ancestry of Jesus! Clay pots revealing the Savior! A Moabite!

  75. street says:

    a few months ago i thought it was quite interesting that the line of abraham and lot met together in the line to the Messiah/Christ after parting so long ago. parting, called out. to be Holy/One.

  76. Beloved says:

    Please pray I suddenly have vertigo due to inner ear problems. The nausea is awful. Thanks.

  77. SFDBWV says:

    Prayers for you Joyce.


  78. Beloved says:

    Thank you I appreciate it Steve. I think the constant AC has something to do with it. Even though the temps finally dropped to the 60’s overnight after weeks on end of 90’s then came smoke from forest fires in Canada (a week now). I asked God if he was trying to kill us northerners off then I remembered I already died and am awaiting my Perfect Home, So thankful I will be gone before the Tribulation begins.

    I did an exercise which helped with the vertigo but will be careful moving for a couple days. The constant smoke has made its way into my building air exchange system so keeping my inhaler close. I know there are terrible things going on all over the country and the world. I hope they cause people to seek God.

  79. SFDBWV says:

    It is written that Satan ask to “sift” Peter. Ask God, I suppose, apparently he isn’t allowed to torment anyone without God’s approval.

    Have you ever felt you may be under attack or even sifted by the evil one?

    And wondered why.

    Wondered why would God allow you to suffer such? To build character? To test faith? To mold or shape you into His desired place?

    It doesn’t feel or seem like love or any kind of blessing, even when told it is. Told that is by people who think they speak for God. When in truth they only speak from themselves.

    Not sure how heartache, and heartbreak is ever a blessing.

    You would think that once you come to Christ, God would protect you rather than allow you to be tortured, tormented and perhaps even “sifted” by Satan.

    But that certainly doesn’t seem to be the case.

    Life remains a battlefield, especially once you make the choice for Christ. Expect no less.


  80. Beloved says:

    Steve I’m with you all the way on this one. When I was a Charismatic I was taught to expect to be healed and live a life of materialistic blessings. It was when Jesus actually did heal my mind that I saw the hypocrisy all around me. I was met with jealousy contempt and scorn by many in the church. Because I wasn’t healed physically (fibromyalgia) I was shamed. That said, I decided to look at what scripture really said and not how Pollyanna Christianity wanted it to say.

    I think it takes years to sincerely follow Christ as Peter and the apostles including Paul. And they all died violently. No big funerals with big speeches of how great an example to the world their lives were. I’ve always said since I became a believer and struggled to become a follower that the world is so -in-your-face and Christ is not, he’s gentle snd humble. The world not so much.

    Thinking of Hebrews11 used to puzzle me- so contrary to what I was hearing from the world but now I finally get it.
    39And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

    They suffered greatly, the new Christians and so do we. I remember how they wanted to build a temple for Jesus. Wouldn’t we all love to be able to go to a physical place of Gods kingdom now while living! I’d spend everything to take that trip! I guess Jesus asks the same of us, to give up everything to follow Him. Life limb and home. So Thankful for my temporary home and the amenities He supplies.

  81. street says:

    1 Corinthians 1:30
    But it is due to Him, God, that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

    being sifted separated from self and all we know in order to know God.

    when grain is harvested it goes through some pretty violent processes, but the grain is not injured.

    thinking threshing and winnowing. to be run over and tossed up and down.

    unless a seed dies and is buried it remains alone…..but if it dies and is buried it will produce much fruit 30 times 60 times or 100 times more.

  82. Beloved says:

    I recently learned that our works are not fruit. Wow. But that makes sense since our works are for the earth right but kingdom fruits are for the kingdom.

  83. Beloved says:

    thinking threshing and winnowing. to be run over and tossed up and down.

    Great description that’s how I feel most days.

  84. Beloved says:

    Crucified With Christ
    Song by Craig Phillips and Phillips, Craig and Dean

    As I look back on what I thought was living
    I’m amazed at the price I choose to pay
    And to think I ignored what really mattered
    Cause I thought the sacrifice would be too great
    But when I finally reached the point of giving in
    I found the cross was calling even then
    And even though it took dying to survive
    I’ve never felt so much alive.

    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live
    Not I but Christ that lives within me
    His Cross will never ask for more than I can give
    For its not my strength but His
    There’s no greater sacrifice
    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live

    As I hear the Savior call for daily dying
    I will bow beneath the weight of Calvary
    Let my hands surrender to His piercing purpose
    That holds be to the cross but sets me free
    I will glory in the power of the cross
    The things I thought were gain I count as loss
    And with His suffering I identify
    And by His resurrection power I am alive

    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live
    Not I but Christ that lives within me
    His Cross will never ask for more than I can give
    For its not my strength but His
    There’s no greater sacrifice
    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live
    And I will offer all I have
    So that His cross is not in vain
    For I found to live is Christ
    And to die is truly gain

    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live
    Not I but Christ that lives within me
    His Cross will never ask for more than I can give
    For its not my strength but His
    There’s no greater sacrifice
    For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live

  85. foreverblessed says:

    That about Hebrews 11, indeed, these saints suffered abs list their lives.
    How can you preach that we will be prosperous?
    Prosperous in spiritual sense may be so, very fruitful in the Spirit, but in the natural life it may look devastating.
    Is that love, when our outward life looks like a disaster?

    To leave the question there I now look at Jesus,
    He says: I will break down this temple and build it up again.
    Naturally speaking His life was ending in a disaster, even in a very shameful death, a death on a cross.

    Is that Love?

    Many of my family, and many others around me, consider the Cross of Jesus as no love. In fact, they consider it as a very hateful God: Who would like to follow a God, who demands tbe death of His Son?

    Is that Love?

  86. foreverblessed says:

    And yet, Jesus died.
    Others have given this passage here:
    Unless a grain of seed dies, it will not produce more grain.
    John 12:23-24
    Jesus died as a grain falling in the ground, to produce a wheat plant.

    But then Jesus asks the same from the ones who want to follow Him.

    The man who loves his life will lose it,
    while the man who hates his life in this world
    will keep it for eternal life.

    We just do not “hate” outer life,
    But we hate our life in this world.

    We live the life in the eternal life.
    And that is only in the Resurrection Life of Jesus.

    Steve, what you ask, I don’t know, it is a deep and mysterious thing:
    Our life in Christ.

    When I look at Paul’s life, I see a lot of tragedy and disaster.
    Stoning, flogging, imprisonment, shipwreck.
    Is that love?
    Paul saw that his suffering brought life to others:
    “So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you”
    2 Cor 4:12

    Such a mysterious passage, and one that I find hard to understand.

    But just as Jesus list His Life, for the sake of us, so did His servants.
    “A servant is no greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the One who want him”
    John 13:16

    In the foot washing Jesus showed the path.

    You could even say: when we suffer so much in this life, God must be using us in a powerful way. Even though we don’t understand it, in the natural sense.

  87. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus answered:
    “Will you really lay down your life for Me?”
    John 13:38

    That question is also directed at me.
    How much am I attached to life “in this world”?

    I am now in chapter 13 in the “normal christian life” from Watchmen Nee.
    I see it as an intensive bible study on the broken body and shed blood of Jesus Christ.
    The vision which Thomas Aquinas had, and was in awe.

    And I went on the search, what is this about the body and blood of Jesus.
    The message of the Cross.
    To the world it seems cruel, but to the one who has been given the revelation of the Son of God, that is not of ourselves, but a gift from God, it is the source of New Life.

  88. foreverblessed says:

    Let talk a little more:
    Paul considered his suffering as being for the sake of Christ.
    He knew that he knew that his suffering was for the Gospel.
    He was an apostle, an evangelist. He was on a mission, traveling around the world.
    It is as also the at the time of his calling, Jesus told him:you will suffer much for my sake. Just as Beloved mentioned that she noticed that the suffering in this world for the saints is well over the bible pages.

    How is my suffering because of physical ailments connected to the Gospel?
    I was praying for healing, I was asking God if there was something in me, that had to be repented of that could be the cause of it.
    When there comes no answer, and you have to wait, and wait…
    Then I saw that Abraham had to wait, 25 years before Isaac came, and Moses was 40 years in Padan Haran, and Joseph was many years in prison.
    Why would they have to wait, and I would not have to wait?

    I don’t know the answer.
    But to think that my suffering is used by God for the sake of His Gospel, would seem preposterous. what a prideful thought that my suffering is part of the big picture God is using. Is that thought correct? Or is it lack of faith on my part, that what Christ was saying:
    No servant is greater than his Master John 13:16

    ( I will post this now, there is some problem typing, maybe the letter “much” will appear, I cannot get it away on my phone, while typing, maybe it will not appear when I post, have a blessed day, especially you Steve, blessed in the heavenly realms, but I pray also in the natural realm, if it is God’s will)

  89. SFDBWV says:

    It seems to me that the matter is hinted at all throughout Scripture, but never clearly given.

    This mystery of the entire matter of creation, its failure and rescue from its Creator.

    The attempt to figure it out has taken the intellectual lives of countless people over thousands of years.

    With no concrete fully acceptable answer.

    I say “fully acceptable” because of the nature of people is to have their own answers and no room for anyone else’s.

    For me it always begins in the beginning.

    How could an “all knowing” God not know that Adam needed a woman, or that together Adam and Eve would fail in their unforgiveable disobedience to Him?

    Why did God place the tree of life in the garden along with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

    The answers to these and some other questions begins before creation and is in part why creation came about.

    To believe in God requires believing in what we don’t know or understand. Giving these things over to God in the form of faith.

    Does that make us happy or give us full satisfaction? Probably not.

    I have a book of devotionals written by Ken Gire which I would recommend to anyone, titled “Moments with the Savior”.

    In the very first entrant, “An Insightful Moment Under a Tree” Ken suggests that even in pagan mythology the story of a need for a Savior came forward.

    I would agree as it was a woman named Pandora, in mythology, through whose curiosity, opened the box that allowed all the ills of the world loose upon mankind.

    Sounds a little like our ancestor Eve, doesn’t it.

    As Jesus hung on the cross scoffers ask Him why didn’t He show His power and come down from there. Scoffers still ask Him through us, where is your God now?

    When we don’t have an answer sometimes it is best to remain silent, just as did Jesus.

    Morning thoughts on a cool 52 degree f cloudy morning atop the Alleghenies.


  90. poohpity says:

    A majority of the comments sounds a bit like questions from the Devil’s advocates rather than from those who are Ambassadors for Christ. IMHO The Devil’s advocates cause people to doubt or question the Justice, Love and Goodness of God instead of believing what Jesus taught, “I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world.”

  91. poohpity says:

    Thank God our God is not sexist by laying the blame solely on Eve for the fall but knew that Adam was right there beside her when they did what they were told not to do and each blamed the other for doing so which is what people do blame others or God for the state they are in. God gave us guidance but people decided they knew better than God so went their own way and did life by their own logic and reasoning not considering that God did not want sin in the world but offered us paradise and a close relationship with Him. When God gave us free will the choice to follow His guidance or to follow the sinful ways of the flesh were our choices sadly many make the choice for satisfying the flesh or their own selfish motives rather than the Spirit but woe to those who play the Devil’s advocate and lead people away from knowing the justice, love and goodness of God. Either somebody trusts God or they don’t there is no in between.

  92. poohpity says:

    “My Jesus”

    … Are you past the point of weary?
    Is your burden weighing heavy?
    Is it all too much to carry?
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    Do you feel that empty feeling?
    ‘Cause shame’s done all its stealing
    And you’re desperate for some healing
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus

    … He makes a way where there ain’t no way
    Rises up from an empty grave
    Ain’t no sinner that he can’t save
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    His love is strong and his grace is free
    And the good news is I know that he
    Can do for you what he’s done for me
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    And let my Jesus change your life

    … Hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, amen, amen

    … Who can wipe away the tears
    From broken dreams and wasted years
    And tell the past to disappear? Oh
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    And all the wrong turns that you would
    Go and undo if you could
    Who can work it all for your good
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    … He makes a way where there ain’t no way
    Rises up from an empty grave
    Ain’t no sinner that he can’t save
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus

    His love is strong and his grace is free
    And the good news is I know that he
    Can do for you what he’s done for me
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    And let my Jesus change your life

    … Hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, amen, amen

    … Who would take my cross to Calvary?
    Pay the price for all my guilty?
    Who would care that much about me?
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus, oh

    … He makes a way where there ain’t no way
    Rises up from an empty grave
    Ain’t no sinner that he can’t save
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    His love is strong and his grace is free
    And the good news is I know that he
    Can do for you what he’s done for me
    Let me tell you ’bout my Jesus
    And let my Jesus change your life

    … Hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, amen, amen
    Hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah (amen, amen)
    Let my Jesus change your life

  93. Beloved says:

    “Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

  94. street says:

    To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.

    2 We always give thanks to God for all of you, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 constantly keeping in mind your work of faith and labor of love and [a]perseverance of hope [b]in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father,….1 Thessalonians 1:1-3

    Children of God, born of the Spirit of God.

    The Teaching of Adversity
    By Oswald Chambers
    In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. —John 16:33

    The typical view of the Christian life is that it means being delivered from all adversity. But it actually means being delivered in adversity, which is something very different. “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. No evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling…” (Psalm 91:1,10)— the place where you are at one with God.

    If you are a child of God, you will certainly encounter adversities, but Jesus says you should not be surprised when they come. “In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” He is saying, “There is nothing for you to fear.” The same people who refused to talk about their adversities before they were saved often complain and worry after being born again because they have the wrong idea of what it means to live the life of a saint.

    God does not give us overcoming life— He gives us life as we overcome. The strain of life is what builds our strength. If there is no strain, there will be no strength. Are you asking God to give you life, liberty, and joy? He cannot, unless you are willing to accept the strain. And once you face the strain, you will immediately get the strength. Overcome your own timidity and take the first step. Then God will give you nourishment— “To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life…” (Revelation 2:7). If you completely give of yourself physically, you become exhausted. But when you give of yourself spiritually, you get more strength. God never gives us strength for tomorrow, or for the next hour, but only for the strain of the moment. Our temptation is to face adversities from the standpoint of our own common sense. But a saint can “be of good cheer” even when seemingly defeated by adversities, because victory is absurdly impossible to everyone, except God.

  95. Beloved says:

    1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

  96. street says:

    17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made of no effect.

    18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    And the understanding of those who have understanding, I will confound.”

    27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the insignificant things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no human may boast before God. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29

    i guess boasting in self before God is a bad idea. could we boast before man? thinking only in God. don’t think rubble is anything to boast about.

  97. Beloved says:


  98. Beloved says:

    Boasting about any changes Christ has made takes away from the gospel. Matthew6:5
    “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

    Thinking none of the apostles bragged about their “new” life of greatness while walking with Christ. They understood their wretchedness and humility followed. Unfortunately the American way of rugged individualism has changed the truth of the gospel. But Christ can open blind eyes. I pray for this often in my prayers for many.

  99. Beloved says:

    According to the Bible America and the rest of the world, except for Israel, is Babylon. All other gods were condemned by God. Thinking me-ism is one god greatly observed and idolized throughout the world.

  100. poohpity says:

    We do not even have to go to someone like Chambers when we have scripture that teaches;

    James 1: Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

    1 Peter 1: In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith— more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire— may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy

  101. Beloved says:

    Chambers, our brother in Christ, is a gifted teacher/preacher. Christians learn from one and the same Holy Spirit. That said, an atheist can read a Bible or a 6 year old for that matter. Or a cult leader led by their own narcissistic unredeemed spirit.

  102. street says:

    8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy

    have not seen Jesus peter james john paul luke mark abrham and company moses the prophets david and many many others.

    athanatiouse polycarp luther warmbrand owen chambers….

    yet one day…

    16 I urge that you also be subject to such as these and to everyone who helps in the work and labors. 17 I rejoice over the coming of Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus, because they have supplied what was lacking on your part. 18 For they have refreshed my spirit and yours. Therefore acknowledge such men.

    Galatians 4:27
    For it is written: “Rejoice, infertile one, you who do not give birth; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For the children of the desolate one are more numerous Than those of the one who has a husband.”

    16 holding firmly the word of life, so that on the day of Christ I can take pride because I did not run in vain nor labor in vain. 17 But even if I am being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all. 18 You too, I urge you, rejoice in the same way and share your joy with me.

    10 who rescued us from so great a danger of death, and will rescue us, He on whom we have set our hope. And He will yet deliver us, 11 if you also join in helping us through your prayers, so that thanks may be given by many persons in our behalf for the favor granted to us through the prayers of many.

    12 For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

  103. foreverblessed says:

    We only need Jesus.
    But…. Jesus’ has put us in the Body of believers, He put us together. So if we use the writing of a christian teacher, that is what a Body is.

    We can share our thoughts here, but what I find about christian writers, how they worded it, it is beautiful. They are the inspired words of God, I sense the Holy Spirit speaking.
    Especially in Oswald Chambers, reading him I came to ODB.
    I gave a copy to a dear friend, but she didn’t like My Utmost.
    She said, she felt condemnation. And she gave the book back to me.
    I gave it to someone else. And she loves it.

    I also really like the discover the word, the talking together with Mary and the others, going over a topic.
    Last two weeks was about praying like Jesus.

    “Not my will, but yours be done”

    This study is fitting in in my search for the Body and Blood of Jesus.
    It is Jesus’ Who is the Door, and the gate and the Way.

    Just before the last supper, Jesus had said:
    “Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say?
    Father, save me from this hour? No, it was for this very reason that I came to this hour.”
    John 12:27

    In their discussion on the prayer on the Mount of Olives, they noticed the two passages, Jesus knew He came for this hour, yet prayed to be delivered from it, at that dark night on the Mount of Olives.
    Jesus really was seriously tempted, His soul-life, the natural life was strong, the self preservation of the soul, Jesus felt the strong pull.
    but Jesus didn’t sin, and yet prayed and prayed, sweating blood.
    He overcame our old nature, in Him we can stand in faith.

    Because of Him we are in Christ Jesus,
    1 Cor 1:30
    We were in Him in Gethsemane, when He struggled, it is His victory,
    “Not My will, but Your will be done”

    What I like is that she, Elisha, gives examples of prayers we can pray.
    In our discussion of non-healing, where healing of the physical body is waiting, or rather we are waiting, how can we pray:

    Father heal me, we are longing to be delivered from this or that illness,
    Not my will but Your will be done.

    Look, fellow bloggers, here I feel I come short in my words, if I could find some writing about this praying like Jesus, I would use it now.
    Elisha does a better job in giving examples praying like Jesus.

    So yes, I do need Elisha, sorry yes, we do need each other, One Body, but Jesus is the Head, we all need Him to put us together.
    Praise Him.

  104. foreverblessed says:

    Discover the Word, from ODB, is not Mary, but Mart talking with others, Elisa, Bill and Daniel.

  105. SFDBWV says:

    The gifts of the Holy Spirit are gifts given to individuals who are part of the Body of Christ.

    The Holy Spirit is the One who anoints that individual and empowers them to be what He desires of them.

    Romans 12:5 KJV “For as we have many members in one body, and every one members one of another.” Romans 12:6 KJV “Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given us…”

    1 Corinthians 12:1-31 special notice to 1 Corinthians 12:6-12 KJV.

    The thing is that the Holy Spirit in us recognizes the Holy Spirit in others and bears witness of Himself.

    Whether it be one comment or a book filled with comments.

    The one gift all who are in Christ have, should be the ability to see light and darkness and distinguish between them.

    I say should be…

    A cool 48 degrees f this morning.


  106. poohpity says:

    Whoa! You guys I was not saying anything about not reading Chambers or others authors, what I was saying is that what he said can also be found in the bible where do you think he got his information from in the first place?

  107. poohpity says:

    Steve good example when you said, “The thing is that the Holy Spirit in us recognizes the Holy Spirit in others and bears witness of Himself.” I have never heard of that before because we are not to judge whether someone has the Spirit of God in them because we can be wrong sometimes very wrong BUT the bible does teach that God’s Spirit within us testifies with God’s Spirit that we are his children not our job about anyone else. Romans 8:16 That is why it is so important to not be ignorant of scripture before we read what anyone else writes because people twist God’s word to suit their own purposes often and can be lead astray sometimes just because we like someone does not mean they know or if we do not like someone does not mean they do not know.

  108. poohpity says:

    Prejudices and biases play more into our perceptions of others and if someone is lead by the Holy Spirit they know to leave the separating of the wheat from the chaff up to God alone who knows the heart because we sure DO NOT but often think we do when we think we are god.

  109. poohpity says:

    On the other hand the Spirit of God who lives in us does give us a discerning Spirit that what one is reading is what God teaches or another gospel that is coming from somewhere other than from God also known as false teachers. We are warned repeatedly about being very careful about what we fill our minds with because if deception were easy to spot then it would not be deception.

  110. Beloved says:

    The only way to outsmart the enemy of our souls is not through banter but to let Jesus deal with it. Very very clever it is and loves to create chaos. But I recall that when Jesus was being provoked by Satan in the wilderness angels were there to minister to Him. Blessed Holy Spirit our comforter in a wilderness unredeemed. He and scripture is our Bottom Line of defense. Thousands and thousands of angels doing battle for and with us!
    Our Father in heaven, holy is Your name.
    Your Kingdom come Your will be done on earth-
    As it is in heaven.
    The LORD bless you and keep you and
    Make His face to shine on you.

  111. street says:

    The LORD Bless You…
    to call go lead happily

    thinking the Holy Spirit and the Word of God/ Jesus. to be blessed by both through faith in God’s Word and the Spirit He gave us. only through the Blood of the Lamb of God. The Lambs Spirit/Life given freely and without cost.

    have to, becomes, love to.

    thinking fruits of the Spirit here.

    forgetting what has happen in the past and striving forward.

    sometimes i wonder if i am done kicking and screaming? like paul aware of the presents of evil, yet He that is in you is greater than He that is in the world.

    My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;1 John 2:1

    1 John 2:12
    I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you on account of His name.

    1 John 2:28
    Now, little children, remain in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not draw back from Him in shame at His coming.

    1 John 3:7
    Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;

    1 John 3:18
    Little children, let’s not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.

    1 John 4:4
    You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

    1 John 5:21
    Little children, guard yourselves from idols.

  112. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for these verses!
    This one was also good:

    “8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy”

    Jesus loves us, dearly, but He really appreciates it that we say that we love Him, and that we share all that we go through during the day with Him. That we live in Him.
    But that verse adds: that we greatly rejoice!!!

  113. Beloved says:

    The Holy Spirit our encourager in righteousness.

  114. Beloved says:

    Encouraged to love one another-the righteous in Christ Jesus.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, you are so worthwhile in the eyes of God, that He sent His Son from heaven to save you from the kingdom of darkness.
    He likes you, He cannot get His eyes off from you.
    You are cherished and greatly loved.

  116. Beloved says:

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.I John 1:9

  117. Beloved says:

    Knowing how greatly loved and cherished I am makes me want to confess and repent of my sin(s). God is not fooled.

  118. poohpity says:

    forever, do you think I am not saved which is the reason that you continually say things like what you said @10:52am?

  119. street says:

    the seat of moses is for moses.

    yet he was not permitted to enter the promise land. i think he did better. he entered the presents of God after seeing the promise land from a distance.

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

  120. Beloved says:

    James2:12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. 13For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

    14What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action,f is dead.

    18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

    19You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

  121. Beloved says:

    I put this on FB

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

  122. street says:

    i was intrigued that the last I Am, of the seven I Am’s, is not I Am the Resurrection, but I Am the True Vine.

    the vine is used as a metaphor for Israel.

    thinking of the vine in Jonah.

  123. Beloved says:

    I was just wondering what metaphor (vine) Jesus would have used if He were living in a large city instead of rural villages.

  124. SFDBWV says:

    “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
    Jesus of Nazareth.

    We all know that Jesus was speaking of His death and resurrection, because we have the gift of hindsight.

    We also know that the use of the word “temple” applies to our bodies as well. That is once we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

    Once again because we have the gift of hindsight. We know that at the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit came to man and lives in His “heart”

    Why the word “heart”? Perhaps because the heart is considered the center of our bodies or if you prefer the center of the living “Temple”.

    Another word that sounds a lot like “Been Thinking About” could also be “speculation”.

    A dangerous word in that when we speculate our reasoning and sense of understanding comes into play. Indeed a “slippery slope” can emerge as well as confirmation built on the solid rock of our faith.

    Interesting for me is that Jesus “cleansed” the temple. And as I think about it He also “cleansed” us, the living temple and home to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit being part of the triune Spirit of God.

    God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    “Thank you Jesus for cleaning out my heart so that it is not soiled and a proper place for You, in the form of Your Holy Spirit to live.”


  125. poohpity says:

    The definition of speculate; “1. form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
    “my colleagues speculate about my private life”.” Taken from Oxford dictionary.

    Do we not have firm evidence that what is spoken in the bible is a true account of history. I believe what is written is truth not just because it says so but because I have lived and experienced parts of it. Not because of what others say about it but because I have read it over and over then one can see that it is a living word that we continue to glean more and more every time I read it God reveals His truths as we mature to accept them.

    Eph 4: Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.

    There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    one God and Father of all,
    who is over all, in all, and living through all.

    7 However, he has given each one of us a special gift through the generosity of Christ. 8 That is why the Scriptures say,

    “When he ascended to the heights,
    he led a crowd of captives
    and gave gifts to his people.”

    9 Notice that it says “he ascended.” This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world. 10 And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself.

    11 Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. 12 Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. 13 This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.

    14 Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. 15 Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. 16 He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.

  126. poohpity says:

    Notice it says “growing” not that we have reached maturity but that we continue to grow into maturity. Phil 1:6 NLT

  127. poohpity says:

    It would seem that Mart named this blog “been thinking about” is not that we speculate on scripture but that we “meditate” on it of course that is just speculation on my part about Mart’s thoughts.

  128. Beloved says:

    3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace.

    So thankful for those here who do make the effort. Jesus, the Prince of peace. A rare pearl amongst flawed but chosen clay pots. Spirit filled. I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills. Where does my help come from? My help comes from the LORD, maker of heaven and earth. Psalms

  129. foreverblessed says:

    The Lord bless you…

    That is the title.
    When someone blessed you in the Name of the Lord, you can just say: thank you!
    And in faith you could accept these words.
    On the other hand, we can say a blessing to others, couples with faith in Jesus, the Name of our Lord, that works miracles. Miracles in the spiritual realm.
    Even when in the physical realm we may see no miracle, no healing, but God is busy with an Eternal Kingdom.
    And Jesus is exalted, sitting at the right hand of God. He is ruler over all. Nothing happens without His consent.

    (And Pooh, I have no worry about you not being saved, you are safe in the hands of God)

  130. foreverblessed says:

    I lift my eyes unto the hills,
    from where cometh my help.
    My help cometh from the Lord
    Who made heaven and earth.

    He will not let your foot to be slipped
    He who watches you will not slumber.
    Indeed, He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.

    The Lord watches over you-
    The Lord is your shade at your right hand,
    the sun will not harm you by day,
    nor the moon by night.

    The Lord will keep you from all harm-
    He will watch over your life.

    The Lord will watch over your coming and going
    both now and forevermore.

    Psalm 121:1-8
    What a beautiful Psalm, it is one big blessing from the Lord!!!
    Can I accept these words, can I let them sink in, how safe I am in God’s hand.
    This Psalm comes after Psalm 120, there the writer has some issues, with lying lips, and from people who hate peace. So between Psalm 120 and 121 he has found real peace, he has lifted his eyes to Jesus.

  131. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, “‘May the Lord bless you and protect you.
    May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you. May the Lord show you His favor and give you His peace.’”

  132. street says:

    The LORD Bless You… i enjoyed this Psalm today & 1 THESSALONIANS 3:6–13

    34 I will bless the Lord at all times;
    His praise shall continually be in my mouth.
    My soul will make its boast in the Lord;
    The humble will hear it and rejoice.
    Exalt the Lord with me,
    And let’s exalt His name together.

    I sought the Lord and He answered me,
    And rescued me from all my fears.
    They looked to Him and were radiant,
    And their faces will never be ashamed.
    This wretched man cried out, and the Lord heard him,
    And saved him out of all his troubles.
    The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him,
    And rescues them.

    Taste and see that the Lord is good;
    How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!
    Fear the Lord, you His saints;
    For to those who fear Him there is no lack of anything.
    The young lions do without and suffer hunger;
    But they who seek the Lord will not lack any good thing.
    Come, you children, listen to me;
    I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
    Who is the person who desires life
    And loves length of days, that he may see good?
    Keep your tongue from evil
    And your lips from speaking deceit.
    Turn from evil and do good;
    Seek peace and pursue it.

    The eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous,
    And His ears are toward their cry for help.
    The face of the Lord is against evildoers,
    To eliminate the memory of them from the earth.
    The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears
    And rescues them from all their troubles.
    The Lord is near to the brokenhearted
    And saves those who are [b]crushed in spirit.

    The afflictions of the righteous are many,
    But the Lord rescues him from them all.
    He protects all his bones,
    Not one of them is broken.
    Evil will bring death to the wicked,
    And those who hate the righteous will suffer for their guilt.
    The Lord redeems the souls of His servants,
    And none of those who take refuge in Him will suffer for their guilt.

  133. Beloved says:

    The Message
    Numbers 6:24–26

    24 God bless you and keep you,
    25 God smile on you and gift you,
    26 God look you full in the face
    and make you prosper.

  134. Beloved says:

    poohpity says:
    August 5, 2021 at 8:22 am

    That was lovely ❤️

  135. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed it was!
    Thank you very much Pooh!!!

  136. foreverblessed says:

    The unfolding of your words gives light;
    it gives understanding to the simple.
    Psalm 119:130

    That was the verse of the day, yesterday on bible gateway.
    May God bless us, that this is what we will do together.

  137. foreverblessed says:

    The unfolding of your words…

    The words Jesus spoke,
    There is so much in the Gospels, that can be explored.
    Like Mart does now, in this topic:
    Why does Jesus conflate the two:
    the temple, overthrowing it and building it up in 3 days
    And the overthrowing of the moneychangers in the temple.

    I have never seen that Jesus connected, (conflated) them.
    I am glad that Mart gave time to thinking about this.

    Why does Jesus connect the two:
    The religious people were busy with the economic gain. Power position that gave themselves a luxurious life.
    Jesus shows the heart of the Father: saving those that are lost, putting them in a body of believers, the Body of Christ, that was raised after 3 days.
    And Jesus was willing to walk on earth, without having a big mansion for Himself, nor traveling in a horse and carriage, but just walking from town to town. Where did He sleep, in tents? And sometimes in a house, with Mary, Martha and Lazarus.

  138. poohpity says:

    As I remember the ministry of Jesus when He said to those who wanted to follow Him, ““Foxes have dens to live in, and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place even to lay his head.”.” I wonder if He was thinking of those who were following Him and if they could not find a place for all to sleep except outside that He would have stayed outside with them rather than going in to a house without them. He did not seem to want any special attention that did not include others.

    I think the conflation of the material Temple would be like all things consisting of things made by people to house the Spirit of God are easily destroyed but the one day when the people made of flesh and bone would be the home for the Holy Spirit shows that the Lord cared more about a person’s soul then He cares about buildings. That seems to be the heart of the Father.

  139. Beloved says:

    —on his way to offering a life-changing vision of a God who would soon sacrifice himself to make atonement not only for their sin— but for the sin of the world—

    Sin. Last night I struggled with this- my sin and others’ sin. I wrestled with this until He reminded me that I am no longer a slave to sin- I am a child of God! Set free to love. I still have trigger points that throw me back to memories of the sin I once knew/lived with so I really need to guard my heart better. As I focus on Jesus sometimes it’s best just to walk away. Shalom

  140. poohpity says:

    Beloved thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think if we keep in mind that the struggle with sin will be around until we leave this fleshly tent that is when we come to the point of understanding how totally amazing God’s grace totally is. I so agree that it is best to walk away from sin rather than feed into it and that can only be done in the power of the Holy Spirit if we trust in Him.

  141. Beloved says:

    ◄ Romans 6 ►
    Berean Study Bible Par ▾
    Dead to Sin, Alive to God
    (2 Corinthians 4:7–18)
    1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer? 3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

    5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection. 6We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. 7For anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

  142. poohpity says:

    Do you think that means we will never sin again?

  143. poohpity says:

    Hint: The letters to the church in Corinth were written before the letter he wrote in Corinth to the church in Rome in which Paul confessed; Romans 7:14-25

  144. Beloved says:

    Sorry Pooh I was responding to my own post at 8:17am and did not see yours at all.

  145. street says:

    6We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. 7For anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

    14 Then the Lord God said to the serpent,….And I will make enemies
    Of you and the woman,
    And of your offspring and her Descendant;
    He shall bruise you on the head,
    And you shall bruise Him on the heel.”

    no longer joy in sin, joy in Christ,who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

    made holy/righteous in the presents of God in Christ Jesus, by the blood of the Lamb.

    3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.[b] The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

    9 Now about your love for one another we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other. 10 And in fact, you do love all of God’s family throughout Macedonia. Yet we urge you, brothers and sisters, to do so more and more, 11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you, 12 so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody. 1 THESSALONIANS 4:3-12

  146. Beloved says:

    No, street, the sins I struggle with are not of the body but of the heart and mind. Attitudes/relationships mostly. But leading a quiet life is a good reminder something I’ve tried to attain to for a long while. Getting off social media is my goal right now.

  147. bubbles says:

    My dad’s wife died this morning. A huge mess has been left. Please pray for strength. The beginning of school is bearing down, and it’s physically exhausting. I don’t know how I can get everything done and do all of this. I have no one now. Thank you. I mean no one in a physical body. You know what I mean.

  148. poohpity says:

    bubbles, so very sad to hear of your loss and the mess left to you. Praying for God’s comfort, wisdom, courage and strength for the journey ahead. In the name of Jesus.

  149. poohpity says:

    My goal in life is not to be better than anyone else BUT to be better than “I” used to be!!!

  150. Beloved says:

    Hebrews13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

    Maclaren says:
    That radiant and eternal sameness will consist with continual variety, and an endless streaming forth of new lustres and new powers. But through all the growing proximity and illumination of the heavens He will be the same Jesus that we knew upon earth; still the Friend and the Lover of our souls. So, dear friends, if you and I have Him for our very own, then we do not need to fear change, for change will be progress; nor loss, for loss will be gain; nor the storm of life, which will drive us to His breast; nor the solitude of death, for our Shepherd will be with us there. He will be ‘the same for ever’; though we shall know Him more deeply; even as we shall be the same, though ‘changed from glory into glory.’. If we have Him, we may be sure, on earth, of a ‘to-morrow,’ which ‘shall be as this day, and much more abundant.’ If we have Him, we may be sure of a heaven in which the sunny hours of its unending day will be filled with fruition and ever new glories from the old Christ who, for earth and heaven, is ‘the same yesterday, and to-day, and for ever.’

  151. street says:

    Isaiah 9:6-8

    For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given;
    and the government shall be upon[a] his shoulder,
    and his name shall be called[b]
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    Of the increase of his government and of peace
    there will be no end,
    on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
    to establish it and to uphold it
    with justice and with righteousness
    from this time forth and forevermore.
    The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.

  152. poohpity says:

    And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us. 24 We were given this hope when we were saved. (If we already have something, we don’t need to hope for it. 25 But if we look forward to something we don’t yet have, we must wait patiently and confidently.) Romans 8

  153. street says:

    The LORD Bless You…

    thinking about cool aid and/vs Salvation

    not drinking it, but understanding i am cool aid and Jesus Is Salvation.

    taking the profane and making it Holy.

    taking, as in captive, a willing delightful joyful peaceful captivity.

    For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given;

    is grieving the Spirit like aborting the Son in us?

    thinking of what Jesus did….and filling up that which is lacking in Christ Jesus. this is going to be an interesting week.

    24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. Colossians 1:24

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles, I am praying for you too!
    That God may send you help om bodily form.
    But above all, I ask Him: to give you Peace, His Peace, despite the mess.

    Street, you give the Prophecy about Jesus,
    “The increase of His Government has no end”

    To what MacLaren wrote: (about Hebrews 13:8)

    If we have Him, we may be sure of a heaven in which the sunny hours of its unending day will be filled with fruition and ever new glories from the old Christ who, for earth and heaven, is ‘the same yesterday, and to-day, and for ever.’

  155. foreverblessed says:

    About mess, and inner peace…
    I was reading the commentary pdf MacLaren again:

    “nor the storm of life, which will drive us to His breast; ”

    If we see the mess, as a means to draw closer to Jesus. Give our mess to Him, let go of it so to speak,
    I know it is hard, but we can be disciplined to remain calm, no matter what happens.
    Ow we have Jesus, and He has us, we are safe!
    Psalm 91
    He that dwelleth….

    I know of is a hard thing, but all of us have to be disciplined, to have our eyes fixed on Jesus, no matter what happens.
    So I pray, that God gives Bubbles grace! Lots of grace, to help her through.

  156. street says:

    Of the increase of his government”/rule” and of peace
    there will be no end,

    though we shall know Him more deeply; even as we shall be the same, though ‘changed from glory into glory.’. If we have Him, we may be sure, on earth, of a ‘to-morrow,’ which ‘shall be as this day, and much more abundant.’ If we have Him, we may be sure of a heaven in which the sunny hours of its unending day will be filled with fruition and ever new glories

    thinking the fruit of the Spirit in no way will be diminished since there is no law against love joy peace patience kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control.

    even in tribulation and distress the Apostles were/are confident in Gods steadfast love in Christ Jesus. providing life and strength in the midst of them. perseverance of the saints. seeking looking to Christ in time of need. david wrote about God’s ability to protect and deliver him from the enemy. even in his camp/hometown.

    For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given;

    as for this verse the idea of born again comes to mind. born of the will of God.

    11 He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God. John 1:11-13

  157. foreverblessed says:

    What a wonderful truth that is.
    Christ born into the world,
    Christ in our hearts

    Utmost of Aug 8 talks about:
    Christ born in our hearts, Just like He was born in Bethlehem.

    The first time I came to that truth, that my heart is a place where Jesus is born, was because of singing the Christmas Oratorium of Bach.
    In one of the songs the words are:
    Your heart is a cradle,
    Where Jesus is born.

    My heart a cradle?!!
    That gave to me a whole new meaning to Christmas:
    I can celebrate the fact that Jesus is born in my heart.

    It is because of Him that you are in Christ
    1 Cor 1:30
    What a wonderful act of God:
    He put Jesus in my heart, at the moment I believed in Him, and I gave my heart to Him.

    Bach Christmas Oratorium
    Choral 9
    Ah, Jesus Child, my heart’s delight!
    Make here Thy little bed this night
    My heart will be a shrine for Thee
    So dwell Thou there in peace with me

    Evangelista no 16
    This sign do I give you:
    In Bethlehem wrapped in swaddling clothes
    ye shall find Him,
    a babe in a manger lying.

    chorales, no 53
    In my heart of hearts
    the chamber was a gloomy dreary place,
    Royalty, it walls adorning,
    Like the sunshine om the morning
    All unlike a royal Palace
    Thou didst fill it with Thy grace

  158. poohpity says:

    It would seem with Christ in our hearts we would be filled with empathy and compassion with/for those who are going through various trials and messes. To listen with care to their suffering while not making them feel that their pain and grief is something they must use discipline to wash over those intimate emotions but to feel safe in sharing them not only with God but also with fellow believers.

    However it does take discipline to listen and not give advise in those times of heartache and sorrow, especially when it is not asked for. A listening ear shows that someone really cares enough to put their self aside and consider the good of someone else.

  159. poohpity says:

    I guess that would be the comparison of a heart of stone to a heart that was mended by God.

  160. Beloved says:

    “Don’t be afraid”. Why? Is it because he’s urging us not to be afraid of our own inclinations, or sin, or bad actors, or devils? Isn’t he instead urging us to overcome all of those fears by loving and living in the light of his smiling face and open arms!

    Wow! Urge on, Jesus, urge me on.

  161. Beloved says:

    Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
    O soul, are you weary and troubled?
    No light in the darkness you see?
    There’s light for a look at the Savior,
    And life more abundant and free.
    Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full in His wonderful face,
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
    In the light of His glory and grace.
    Through death into life everlasting
    He passed, and we follow Him there;
    O’er us sin no more hath dominion
    For more than conqu’rors we are!
    His Word shall not fail you, He promised;
    Believe Him and all will be well;
    Then go to a world that is dying,
    His perfect salvation to tell!

  162. Beloved says:

    My Utmost 8/9 is very good… my body the Bethlehem of Gods son. I mention it because you, forever, said something about the heart being the cradle of Jesus, I think, or something like that I can’t recall the exact right now. Anyway it’s a very good meditation.

  163. bubbles says:

    Forever, every time I have asked for prayer and help, it something has been said that makes me feel I lack faith and peace. I am worn out in all ways. Many have it much worse, but it has been four years with cancer and being sole care giver for family while working full time. Peace is not the issue. Not being home, not getting rest, and every weekend and holiday there was a crisis. It is hard not getting physical rest and rest from something else happening. It is hard having heart broken over and over again. This is not about a crisis of faith or lack of peace. Now there is the emptiness and aloneness of losing all I had and the anger and deep sadness. I don’t understand why someone who needs friends and asks for prayer to then be made to feel like they are thrown under the bus. Why can’t believers help each other and encourage each other rather than make them feel like they are lacking faith and peace? Perhaps you meant nothing, but this is how the comment made me feel, and I am sorry if I took it the wrong way. I will no longer ask for help in prayer here.

  164. foreverblessed says:

    Oh dear, what a terrible thing, my comment throws you under the bus.
    I am very very sorry!
    That comment was not meant for you! I did not write it for you. For some very very strange reason I thought that after your comment asking for prayer, that you would be so busy you would have no time to read any comment.
    I myself have experienced unwanted advice too. And now I have done it myself.
    I am very sorry.

    But I will still pray for you.
    And my deep condolences for the loss of your stepmother.

  165. SFDBWV says:

    I have often said that I envy the people who don’t question things. Who accepts things as they are. Who have a more simple way of life and a simpler way of looking at everything.

    However that has never been how my mind works. It can be an asset, but also a deterrent to accepting life as it unfolds.

    Because I can read and have a good comprehension of language I am most often sure of how I interpret what I read.

    The problem though is that when I read promises that Jesus has made clear in Scripture and they don’t materialize I find myself then in a quandary of understanding why.

    I get it that God is God and does as He sees fit, but it is hard to accept it when the simplest request goes un-responded to.

    Time and time again over and over.

    Sometime it makes me feel as if I have been handed over to Satan to be sifted. Or that I am being tested.

    Or perhaps even punished for questioning God.

    Really the truth is that the only real encouragement I receive comes from God. Not so much from well-intentioned people.

    His encouragement comes in many forms.

    Sorry, but when people quote Scripture in an attempt to encourage, sometimes it has the opposite result. Just adding insult to injury.

    My faith has to be between me and God and I have come to know He don’t mind it when I question Him. Time will soften the hurt and life will teach many times the why.

    One more thing…Sometimes we say things out of frustration and pain that we don’t mean, and sometimes our true feeling comes out only then. We need to listen and pay attention to our complaints. They may be a doorway to finding answers as to how we truly believe.


  166. bubbles says:

    Forever, thank you for your kindness. It’s all right. Thank you. Have a good day.

  167. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for your kindness!
    For accepting my apologies!
    That makes a good day for me.
    God bless you, and may He send you help in “bodily form”.
    And may He strengthen your inner being, for all that lies ahead of you.

  168. poohpity says:

    forever who were the comments meant for if not for bubbles?

  169. foreverblessed says:

    Before I answer your question, I will ask you a question,
    To whom was your comment of Aug 9, 7.27 am?

  170. Beloved says:

    Off topic

    Today’s headlines: UN says the world is at a “code red” because of climate change. They talk about fires and floods that are unprecedented and continuing.

    Job 35:10But none says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
    who gives songs in the night,

  171. Beloved says:

    Yet who dares contend with God? Job40. very humbling.

  172. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce, Nimrod thought he could build a tower high enough to keep him safe from another flood should God flood the earth again.

    These are only the beginnings of disasters that are coming to the world as it shudders and shakes before the return of Christ.

    Man has learned nothing, not even to bow down to his Creator and acknowledge Him.


  173. poohpity says:

    forever, that is exactly how controlling people act rather than answering a question they present another question but I will answer you the comment @7:27 was in response to the comment made @7:20am as a comparison to those who have experienced the empathy and compassion of the Lord they show that to others because their hearts have changed.

    You do not need to answer my question because it was obvious to me as well as bubbles that your comments were made to her that is why she shared her feeling about them to you. So why you went on to say they were not about her comments was nothing more than a big lie to cover yourself. Yet you went on to apologize for them, go figure.

  174. poohpity says:

    I thought bubbles had so much courage to share how what forever said effected her. You go girl! Honestly is in all ways and always a good thing because so many put on a facade to influence people rather than just being real.

  175. street says:

    the word discipline has been on my mind for a couple of months. another word has been brought to my attention from the book of Ruth. determined. it would seem that military discipline would last as long as the body would last. yet ruth was determined to go with naomi who promised no future whats soever. powerless and empty. yet ruth determined to go with her. some how she found strength and hope, even a redeemer.

    Isaiah 9:6
    For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

  176. foreverblessed says:

    Prince of Peace…
    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

    My comment was directed at the comment of beloved, Aug 7, 20.55 am, after been thinking about what MacLaren wrote about Hebrews 13:8
    To all those who were interested in that bible verse, and what it means to the time when things get hard very hard.

    To all, and honoustly I thought that Bubbles would be too busy to read any of it.
    And I am so thankful for the tender heart of Bubbles.

    And even, if I have fooled myself, and deep down maybe would have directed it to Bubbles, I apologize, deeply.
    To have thrown her under the bus.
    May God forgive me too.
    For being a hypocrite, even if I am not aware of it.
    But maybe, in some corner of my heart I still say things for the praise of men.
    I do not want to do that. I want to write, because all that I do is because I love Jesus.
    And I know that He loves me.

  177. foreverblessed says:

    And I pray to God our Father in heaven:
    Please forgive Pooh, she does not know what she is doing.
    Thank You, that You listen to my prayer!

  178. Beloved says:

    I wanted to share a sermon with you from Parkside Church live stream “The Christian Family—Part Two that I happened to watch on Sunday. WOW! Alistair Begg really nailed it when he spoke on Colossians 3:18. The best and most biblical explanation I’ve ever heard on the topic of submission. I see there is a part three I need to watch, I think it’s about mans responsibilities.

    If you watch let me know what you think. Thanks friend.

  179. Beloved says:

    Never apologize for sharing gospel truths. In season or out of season we are to be prepared not fearing the consequences. Jesus will get the victory, eventually. In the meantime if we are dragged through the mud it’s for the love that Jesus died to show us. How deep how wide and how high? Unfathomable our riches in Christ!

  180. street says:

    See, my servant will act wisely[b];
    he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
    Just as there were many who were appalled at him[c]—
    his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
    and his form marred beyond human likeness—
    so he will sprinkle many nations,[d]
    and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
    For what they were not told, they will see,
    and what they have not heard, they will understand.

    2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we[a] boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we[b] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. Romans 5:2-4

    Romans 8:17
    Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

    12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence. 13 I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Ephesians 3:12-14

    12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.

    suffering is never an easy thing in though or in circumstance. think, return to the vine foundation/ arms of Christ our hope and Salvation. yes, we wait.

    thinking of the Temple in Heaven. His Gate and Court.

  181. poohpity says:

    forever, you crack me up.

  182. Beloved says:

    Philippians 2:3 CEV
    Don’t be jealous or proud, but be humble and consider others more important than yourselves.

    Street yes suffering in thought/circumstance can be brutal. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. (know Jesus)

  183. Beloved says:

    We can be confident that whatever circumstances we find ourselves in it is to bring our bodies into conformity with Christ. He Himself will wipe away our tears in heaven! Amazing!

  184. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for sharing that, Beloved. Aug 10, 1.51 pm
    This morning I listened to that Parkside Church Livestream on Family.
    Part 2 and immediately part 3 after that, together about an hour of listening, all in one go.

    Everything in connection to the Atonement through Christ.
    “As fitting in the Lord’
    Part three, the speaker brings me to tears.

    What a testimony, how humble he has become!
    And I really like it that it is the man who is talking about the men’s part.
    That man’s part is incomprehensible!
    Love your wife as Christ loved His church, and gave Himself up for her.
    Sacrificial Love.
    A wife cannot demand this sacrificialove from her husband, that is impossible!
    And yet in my old church, the man demanded submission from his wife.

    Submission, “the voluntarily giving of oneself to the one loved.”

    My mother lately told me that my father was not authoritively.
    He did not demand submission. My husband and I were thinking about it, he said: so your mother voluntarily submitted to him, it came from herself?!

    Sometimes we may have wrong impressions.
    That’s an understatement of the year! LoL

    But what he says in part three really touched me deeply.

    I pray that christian families may shine forth what Christ and the Church are like!

    Christ who made Himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness
    Phil 2:7

  185. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before people, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.”

  186. Beloved says:

    I’m glad you liked it Forever. I’m not married so it was part 2 that touched me regarding the family dynamic of God creating man then woman originally. That the order is how Gods family worked and should work now to show the world about God. Order in Christian family is glorifying God. I get it myself now. That your mom voluntarily submitted- wow thats great you know that now. It’s healing, isn’t it. Your tears tell the story.

    It also helps me understand why my then pastor preached how God hates divorce (after 3 years living with a husband who no longer wanted me since I became a Christian) made me feel as if it was my fault and I had really made God mad at me because I was told that if I prayed enough and did this and that he would be saved also! I was hurt and angry with the church for a long time. Truth is I knew Jesus but felt that my feelings about my life circumstances didn’t really matter to anyone. I was in counseling for childhood issues and only saw Jesus in my traumas. But the feelings didn’t dissipate and often overwhelmed me. By Gods grace I’ve learned to take all of my feelings to Jesus. What a Friend!

    God hates divorce and He also hates pride. (That’s not preached much.) Pride/hubris is not submitting to God in all things. God is love with justice and mercy. Just my thoughts as I look back at all that’s brought me to today. Jesus is a very personal Savior and I love Him more and more each day year decade.

  187. Beloved says:

    Thinking of Boaz, Ruth’s kinsman-redeemer. Jesus our brother redeemer. Bringing all us misfits to glory.

  188. Beloved says:

    Thinking of my own sin in all of my relationships and how it has caused me pain as well as others. Praying God will never shield me from this pain that I may enjoy the consolation of Christ forevermore. Lord bless us, keep, and make His face to shine upon us, and give us peace. Amen

  189. street says:

    The LORD Bless You…

    thinking about how God has given us a Savior and a Helper to assist our development in Spirit and Truth. not to live by fear or works, but to enjoy and delight in the Lord’s presents. the outward expression of this would be streams of living water in a desert and streams of light in the darkness.

    yet we are encouraged by paul to work with are hands so none would be in need. The Lord bless you….

  190. Beloved says:

    Thinking of you. Wish I lived closer I would love to help you with household things. I’m sure you do have some reorganization to do after losing both parents in the last few months, right? Hopefully you take some well deserved time for yourself and just let some things wait. With school starting soon you’ll be busy enough, right? Do you have pets? My cat is a pretty good companion for me.
    Blessings to you.

  191. bubbles says:

    Thank you. It will take years to clean all of this up. I began work last week, and the first day, they called and said to come. She died two days later. I had to get in 12 hours of PD in two days so I could take off tomorrow. There was a health crisis every weekend and on the holidays this summer. I am very sad. There is just a lot going on and I am not ready to begin school. I am tired. Yes, a cat is staying with me and I’m thankful for him. They are lovely friends.

  192. Hugger4U says:

    Praying for you Bubbles.

    Father God, thank you for being Bubbles provider in everything in her life. Thank you for watching over her and giving her strength where she is weak. Thank you Holy Spirit for comforting her in her sorrow. Thank you Jesus for being her friend during this trying season of her life so that she rests in You for your yoke is easy and your burden is light. Thank you for showing Bubbles how to trust and rest in You. We are grateful and overwhelmed with your grace and love when we look to You and focus on You. Thank You for Your Word that gives light to our path. In Jesus name, Amen.

  193. Beloved says:


    Psalm 82: Rescue the Weak and Needy
    A Psalm of Asaph.
    1God has taken his place in the divine council;
    in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
    2“How long will you judge unjustly
    and show partiality to the wicked? Selah

    3Give justice to the weak and the fatherless;
    maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
    4Rescue the weak and the needy;
    deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”

  194. Beloved says:

    Matthew 11:28AMP
    Amplified Bible
    “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and I will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation].

  195. Beloved says:

    I was thinking about answers to prayer. What if God is using our afflictions as tools to conform us to be like Christ? Obedience and faith like Jesus showed us. If God gave us everything we wanted that would be a poor Father figure, right? I’m thinking that Jesus healed to prove to mankind that He came from God. Yet the goal was not instant healing/answers for all but to bring or gather up Gods many sons to glory. I was thinking about the scripture that says God disciplines us as sons. Why? What’s the purpose? To transform us as siblings of Christ Jesus to be like Christ. I know I have a very looong way to go. Yet I also know I’m already accepted by Him because of Christ’s sacrifice once for all time!

    I am so tired of suffering as I’m sure you and Bubbles both are. Just sick and tired a lot yet we get up and start another day because of the promise and the help of the Holy Spirit. And if we are lucky one or two good Christian friends.

    Since suffering is such a common experience maybe Mart will have some thoughts on it sometime.
    Blessings to you Steve and Bubbles

  196. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Joyce, Matt is finishing up his breakfast and I am baking some “Pepperidge Farm” apple turnovers. Already enjoying my first cup of coffee.

    I could certainly write a book about both my thoughts as well as God’s actions regarding my life. Always coming to the same conclusion, God is God and sees what I don’t knows what I don’t and all I can ever do is trust Him.

    I have never been one of those people who go along with the rest. Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s I didn’t like the “Beatles”, never did drugs, got a haircut regularly and at 17 joined the Marine corps instead of protest set ins and demonstrations. Never wore clothes that were in vogue nor joined in fads or crazes.

    Learning about God and Jesus from my earliest youth in Sunday school. I also learned of the hypocrisy of people who claimed to be “Christian”.

    However as I grew in age as well as closer to God it became easier to see God in some people and His foot prints in my life. This became my evidence of His existence as well as my encouragement.

    I can take personal suffering in stride, it is the suffering of people I know and love that causes me pain and frustration.

    Yes I know there are perfect answers as to why God allows good people, or for that matter, any person to suffer. But I am never going to be satisfied nor content about it.

    I have a cousin who has filled her life with traveling and learning. She is in the beginning stages of “Parkinson’s” disease and already her memory is starting to disappear.

    I spent all of Matt’s youth filling him with memories of doing things with me. He can’t remember any of it. In fact he can’t remember last week or yesterday.

    I have another cousin who only has 40% of her lung capacity because of “asthma”. Something she has suffered all of her life.

    I can go on and on about the people I know, have known and love who suffer. It doesn’t matter.

    According to our faith Adam and Eve’s original sin brought suffering to the world. According to our faith Jesus has overcome it and defeated it.

    Yet suffering continues.

    So it goes…Just like the early believers who were covered with tar and set on fire, we stay firm in our faith even though we suffer and suffer watching those we love suffer, even suffering death. Looking beyond this life for a better one, promised by the founder of our faith Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Christ, our Lord and our God.

    I am way late in feeding the critters, gathering weather information and my morning prayers. Everything has a price.

    Be blessed.


  197. poohpity says:

    If suffering is all we see where does one find delight or joy? Where our focus is our mind and heart follow closely behind. When one sees the miracles, blessings and good things in life itself delight and joy soon follows. That would be like loving misery while shutting out ALL the many things we have to be grateful for. I think we can all at times take for granted all the blessings we actually do have when we focus on what we do not have maybe the joy will be more than the suffering we see if we look at things through the eyes of our Savior with trust.

    It is a bit like watching the news which mostly only shares the ugly things happening in our world and all the wonderful, kind and generous acts that do happen daily get over looked then people begin to be bitter, grumpy, full of anger,rage and self pity all because of what they focus on.

  198. poohpity says:

    “The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company…a church….a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past…we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude…I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it. And so it is with you…we are in charge of our attitudes.”
    ― Charles Swindoll

  199. Beloved says:

    The joy of the LORD is my strength.Always has been even in th

  200. saled says:

    Yes, the suffering in our loved ones, and especially in our little ones, is hard to understand.

    Phillippians 3:10 contains these words”. . .that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings.”

    The fellowship of his sufferings? Is this what all our present distress is about? Like Steve said above, Adam and Eve brought suffering into the world, Jesus defeated it, but it continues.

    Like Steve, I could go on and on about the suffering around me. All that makes sense to me is that we are partakers of the fellowship of his suffering, and when the redemption of our world takes place, we will have a deep appreciation of all the restoration we will see.

  201. Beloved says:

    Finishing my statement:
    Beloved says:
    August 14, 2021 at 10:01 am
    The joy of the LORD is my strength.Always has been even in the suffering. To be able to see Christ who suffered for me has given me great strength I would not have had otherwise.

  202. Beloved says:

    Sufferings of Christ

    When I went into therapy with a Christian counselor shortly after becoming a Christian it was because of memories long buried coming to my mind. As I started sharing what I remembered- which was sketch at best- he knew there were buried traumas that needed to be brought to light. But before we started digging he asked me if I was prepared to suffer for Christ. I said yes not really knowing the full extent of the abuse which actually started before I was born and continued until age 15 or so, along with watching my 4 younger siblings being abused also, daily. It’s a miracle any of us survived. I hate seeing suffering but I know there is a purpose in our joys and our sorrows if we are Christ’s! I feel so sad for those sufferers who do not know Jesus. Praying for the lost is so important to me because I know Jesus can overturn any mountain and bring light with truth and justice prevailing. So that’s my story.

    (I believe children who die too soon for whatever reason are immediately with Jesus. What a wonderful consolation for a damaged life who will have no memory of their earthly troubles.)

  203. Beloved says:

    Steve I see it as a real blessing that Mathew cannot remember the past. For him, but probably not for you always. When I worked in an Alzheimer’s unit I saw the grief of family as their loved one slipped away. Some couldn’t bear to visit anymore. Some learned to adapt.

    Saled nice to see you again. Are you teaching? Has covid closed your school? My sister in Louisiana decided to retire at 69 this year as it was too difficult to handle all the classroom changes.

  204. Beloved says:


    Suffering does not please God it’s part of the fallen world we live in. What pleases God I believe is found in I Peter 9But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

    11Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. 12Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.

  205. SFDBWV says:

    Sorry Joyce but you are very wrong. It grieves and angers Matt because he can’t remember his past as well as events in the short term.

    He remembers that he used to have a very good memory and it upsets him tremendously that he no longer does.

    Also ask yourself what the difference is between suffering a mental or physical ailment and suffering for Christ is.

    Do you actually think that a little child suffering from cancer and ultimately dying has did so for Christ?

    Just came here to shut down the computer, didn’t mean to get involved in any discussion.

    Saled I am happy to see you are still with us.

    Good night to all.


  206. Beloved says:

    After I finished posting here I knew I’d said something wrong but wasn’t sure exactly what it was. Thank you for letting me know. All our journeys are different but the same God! Very individual. Blessings to you and Matthew.

    (I write too much some days, I’m sorry)

  207. street says:

    thinking about beloved observation.

    God does not delight in the death of the wicked…but He does delight in His Children.

    once you sat in darkness now you have seen God in Christ Jesus. peter james john and paul lived and understood the joy set before them much like Christ. their suffering and persecution give traction in a very tangible way to what they said and the way they lived, a new life among light and momentary struggles. we will be stretched to the breaking point as oswald would say, but we would find life in the struggles.

    it begs the question is Jesus enough? they thought so. they lived out of the abundance of grace and mercy they received. paul bent both knees and prayed we would know this.

    thinking of the verse every knee shall bow and every tongue confess…… seems like paul was doing this 2000 years ago. how long LORD?

  208. street says:

    Suffering does not please God it’s part of the fallen world we live in.

    it apart of God keeping His Word. He is the One Who injures and He is the One Who heals.

    thinking of abramham and ruth.

    5 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

    thinking of the word hope used twice in these verses, the first use is in regard to His return, i believe, the second that He would accomplish His will in us. remember the peace we have with God in the first verse because of Jesus. the focus of pauls prayer. hopefully ours too.

  209. bubbles says:

    We know we suffer because of various things, like consequences and a fallen world. I know attitude is important and there is always something for which to be thankful. I also think the deep sadness that comes as a result of suffering can also in addition be a disappointment about how life has turned out to be. I do not deserve anything. But I am weary and I hurt physically for what has transpired and what will come to pass shortly. And tonight I am very disappointed in life. It is not all right to tell someone how they should be feeling.

  210. Beloved says:

    Also ask yourself what the difference is between suffering a mental or physical ailment and suffering for Christ is.

    Do you actually think that a little child suffering from cancer and ultimately dying has did so for Christ?

    Those already IN Christ suffer willingly knowing there’s purpose in it I believe. As I was when I began my healing journey. Mine was sanctification and it still is. I don’t know the purpose of little children who suffer cancer but I’ve seen some -along with their parents- who seem to get their strength from God to do so. As well as God supplying doctors and insurance or other forms of payment for services. So many questions I don’t have answers for but I believe as do you that God is sovereign over all matters.

    As for Matt I was only sharing my experiences didn’t mean to say they were yours and Matt’s. Just rambling. Didn’t mean to offend you. Conversation that’s all. Kind of lonely today.

  211. Beloved says:

    Peter, who street quoted, saw Jesus suffer. He knew what he was talking about. Suffering is not for nothing. Thanks for the scriptures, I feel more grounded.

  212. Beloved says:

    I watched a short documentary today that showed how suffering produces joy! An amazing 10 minute video.

    Shooting Victim -Jerry
    YouTube channel Soft White Underbelly

  213. SFDBWV says:

    Once again I am reminded as to why I should not respond to personal things here too quickly.

    Please Joyce be at peace. I am not offended at all.

    I am admittedly overly defensive whereas Matthew is concerned. And I apologize if my response has caused you any distress at all.


  214. poohpity says:

    bubbles you are right in saying it is not all right to tell someone how they should feel but there is a warning about hanging on to anger, bitterness and the reason we need to let go of those feelings found in Eph 4:26-27 because those feelings are prime for allowing the devil to do his best work in our hearts and minds.

  215. poohpity says:

    So if one really cares about someone else wouldn’t you share that warning with them? One is not really telling them how to feel but sharing what happens when certain feelings are left to fester within and the results of not dealing with them.

  216. foreverblessed says:

    What a sharing of burdens there have been!
    Jesus says: Come to Me, all you who are heavy burdened.
    If someone shares their burden, the Way is, for me to take that burden to Jesus, and lay it at His feet.
    Intercessory prayer!

    But, alas, how often I open my mouth and talk too soon!
    I stead of letti g it with Jesus, and to wait
    Wait till I clearly hear the Holy Spirit speak.
    And of I don’t hear Him clearly, I just pray.

    Father, have Mercy on Bubbles,
    Have Mercy on Steve
    Father, have Mercy on Matt
    Have Mercy on Beloved.
    Have Mercy on Jeff.
    Father, they are Your children, You know them, You care for them.
    You are the Way, the Truth and the Life.
    In Jesus they can live, eternal life, that is already started and will never end.
    Thank you in Jesus’ Name.

  217. foreverblessed says:

    2/29/2016 Today on Discover the Word, we welcome our special guest, pastor and author Robert Gelinas to the table to begin a two-week study called, “Mercy Prayer.” Join the group today on Discover the Word!

    Last week I had an encounter with my youngest son, and he said something to me, I had to digest it, and I knew I had to take it to Jesus!
    I was looking for something on Discover the Word series, and wow:
    Right on top appeared this series on the Mercy Prayer!!!
    Now I know for sure that the Holy Spirit guided me there.
    “Lord, have Mercy on me, have Mercy on our son”

    The most prayed prayer in the Bible is:
    “Lord have mercy”

    If that prayer is said in a vain repetition it is useless.
    But …
    If that prayer is said in full faith in Jesus Christ, our Savior, then it is powerful!

    In our City Church, a grand old Church, we have a oecomenical prayer, once a week.
    We lift up the prayers that are written in the prayer book, up to God in heaven.
    And every two or three prayers we say:
    “Lord have mercy over us”

    Heart rending prayers, situations we have no answer to.
    But God has,
    Everything is solved in the Cross, in the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
    That is what we believe.
    We trust Jesus is the Answer, and He knows when the right time has come to act.

    Wait for that time.

  218. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, so good of you to apologize, that was awesome!
    To say that you overreacted when things are said concerning Matt!
    May God strengthen you even further, and Matt.
    I often lay before God:
    -You have said to Steve: “Matt will be fine”
    Give them more of Your Mercy till that time.-

    Lord have mercy on us

    Kyrie eleison. (in Latin, often sung in the Mass)

    Some personal thing added:
    When I was in a charismatic ministry, the were big on speaking in tongues. They prayed over me, and I wanted to speak in tongues. But that they said: just repeat our words!
    Then I softly prayed to God, and I said: “God, I want to hear the words from the Holy Spirit, You give me words directly.”

    And then I heard nothing.

    Weeks later we were praying and worshipping.together, it was a wonderful morning together, and I heard clearly one word:

    That word became precious to me.
    Later I found out, that Curia is the Greek word for the Kyria in Latin.
    Which means “Lord”.

    If I don’t know what to pray, I say: Curia.
    Believing that Jesus is Lord and Master, He is risen and ascended on high, sitting at the right hand of God.
    Having His eyes on all of us.
    Dear Lord!
    Have Mercy on us

  219. Beloved says:

    street says:
    August 14, 2021 at 8:56 pm
    Suffering does not please God it’s part of the fallen world we live in.(beloved said)

    it apart of God keeping His Word. He is the One Who injures and He is the One Who heals.

    Lamentations 3:31For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. 32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. 33 For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.

    Yes suffering brings about Gods purposes yet He never stops loving 😊

  220. Beloved says:

    Steve no worries we all get tired and short at times.

  221. street says:

    thinking of my bothers and sisters in the world who are facing extreme persecution because of the Name of Christ.
    made a comment tonight with no mercy at all and it scared me from the perspective that i am not God. yet i understand and know of God’s wrath exist from the Old Testament. knowing grace and mercy is available. yet His wrath is being stored up for the wicked who show no mercy or grace. that is what scares me. even in the Psalms it speaks of such vengeance, even in david’s righteous prayers. then there is Jesus praying, ” Father forgive them they know not what they are doing.”

    Father help us understand your Sovereignty and Glory in Christ Jesus. just as paul prayed.

  222. Beloved says:

    I was thinking about the phrase “taking the high road”. Is that the epitome of mercy? It can be very painful yet there is no criticism. Completely self-sacrificing.

  223. Beloved says:

    “Father forgive them, they know not what they are doing”.

  224. Beloved says:

    Looked it up..
    take the high road
    To choose the most noble, ethical, or diplomatic course or method, especially after or in the face of negativity or ill treatment.
    Strive to always take the high road when dealing with others, even if they’ve treated you unfairly in the past. Life has a habit of rewarding those who learn to turn the other cheek.

  225. street says:

    27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts.

    And I will show you a still more excellent way.

    4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

    6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

    this love is foreign in a world of darkness. yet not foreign to the faithful, the righteous, the children of God.

    would it be a goods time to mention His Grace and Mercy?

  226. Beloved says:

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

    This makes sense of Peters comments above. Character and hope that does not disappoint. I feel better already.

  227. foreverblessed says:

    This question about God,
    that Street asked.
    God of Mercy, and the wrath of God…

    This has troubled me too.
    I have found an article about the Vengeance of God.
    It is on the website that is called
    That goes with an org.

    I am trying to digest it, for a few years now,
    That I read the bible passages talking about God’s wrath, and the interpretation of it
    In the light of the character of God:

    “The Lords, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God,
    Slow yo anger,
    Abounding in love and faithfulness,
    Maintaining love to thousands,
    And forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin.

  228. foreverblessed says:


    by Floyd Phillips

    I recently began discovering some exciting things about God’s vengeance. I could never have imagined that I would get excited about vengeance, but in the past few days I have done just that, but for reasons quite different than most might imagine. Let me try to share what I am discovering if possible.

    “Your princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves. Everyone loves bribes, and follows after rewards. They don’t judge the fatherless, neither does the cause of the widow come to them. Therefore the Lord, Yahweh of Armies, the Mighty One of Israel, says: “Ah, I will get relief from my adversaries, and avenge myself of my enemies; and I will turn my hand on you, thoroughly purge away your dross, and will take away all your tin. I will restore your judges as at the first, and your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called ‘The city of righteousness, a faithful town.’ Zion shall be redeemed with justice, and her converts with righteousness. But the destruction of transgressors and sinners shall be together, and those who forsake Yahweh shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which you have desired, and you shall be confounded for the gardens that you have chosen. For you shall be as an oak whose leaf fades, and as a garden that has no water. The strong will be like tinder, and his work like a spark. They will both burn together, and no one will quench them.” (Isaiah 1:23-31)

    The true meaning and nature of God’s kind of vengeance begins to be seen in this passage here at the beginning of the book of Isaiah. God’s vengeance is always restorative just as is His justice, which is not punitive in nature but rather designed to return everyone and everything back to God’s original intent and purpose for them.

  229. foreverblessed says:

    I am trying to read the scriptures the author uses for myself, and then I get this. -“God of wrath” o dear, it is terrible- feeling over me.
    When I read his comments with it, then O see the Mercy of God, that when God’s wrath is mentioned, it is always used to let people come to their senses, and turn to Him.
    God’s wrath is never used to destroy the person, but to destroy the wickedness in a person.
    So that the person is changed, his heart softened,
    And the enemy of God is changed into His friend.
    The enemy is changed, so the enmity is destroyed, but not the soul.

  230. foreverblessed says:

    Some more citations, for anyone who is interested, maybe Street,
    Otherwise just skip it.

    Isaiah 59:16-21

    “He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his own arm brought salvation to him; and his righteousness, it upheld him. He put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on his head; and he put on garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a mantle. According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, wrath to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompense. So shall they fear the name of Yahweh from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun; for he will come as a rushing stream, which the breath of Yahweh drives. A Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from disobedience in Jacob, says Yahweh. As for me, this is my covenant with them, says Yahweh: my Spirit who is on you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of your seed, nor out of the mouth of your seed’s seed, says Yahweh, from henceforth and forever.” (Isaiah 59:16-21)

    By allowing His enemies to experience the effects of their own choices, the truth about God’s self-enforcing principles starts to become evident, and as a result respect and honor for the reputation of Yahweh can be increased. Respect is awakened by people who refuse to retaliate but allow others the freedom to follow through with their own choices even when it results in disaster. God tries to warn us, turn us away from our tragic trajectory and do everything possible to restrain the inevitable consequences until He must honor our choice when we totally reject His protection and authority.

    To those who turn from disobedience – resistance to the ways and Spirit of God – His covenant promise is that He will not withdraw His Spirit from us. As we embrace His methods and allow Him to transform us to reflect His glory, beauty, goodness and love, God gets His vengeance on His enemies by transforming them into His friends, defeating the schemes of Satan to steal, kill and destroy them.

    “The Spirit of the Lord Yahweh is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the year of Yahweh’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn; to appoint to those who mourn in Zion, to give to them a garland for [instead of] ashes, the oil of joy for [instead of] mourning, the garment of praise for [instead of] the spirit of heaviness; that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Yahweh, that he may be glorified. They shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and foreigners shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. But you shall be named the priests of Yahweh; men shall call you the ministers of our God: you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their glory shall you boast yourselves. Instead of your shame you shall have double; and instead of dishonor they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess double; everlasting joy shall be to them. For I, Yahweh, love justice, I hate robbery with iniquity; and I will give them their recompense in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. Their seed shall be known among the nations, and their offspring among the peoples; all who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which Yahweh has blessed. I will greatly rejoice in Yahweh, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation, he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with a garland, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels. For as the earth brings forth its bud, and as the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord Yahweh will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.” (Isaiah 61:1-11)

    I am coming to see clearly now something totally amazing – that the kind of vengeance God is eager to inflict against sin and sinners is nothing short of total annihilation – of sin that is – along with the total recovery of sinners to reflect the beauty, goodness and love of their Creator. This is the vengeance God uses and is what is described so beautifully in this passage and all throughout the Bible.

  231. Beloved says:

    This is what is scary thinking how can a loving God do this?
    “Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded…. He left nothing undone of all that the Lord had commanded Moses.” Joshua 10:40, 11:15

  232. Beloved says:

    Matthew13 The Parable of the Weeds Explained

    36Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”

    37He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

    40As the weeds are collected and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. 42And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

    He who has ears, let him hear

  233. Beloved says:

    Wondering if he’s talking about bad angels, fallen angels as being the weeds?

  234. Beloved says:

    Reminder to pray for believers in Afghanistan who are facing terrible persecution.

  235. poohpity says:

    Matt 13:

    Here is another story Jesus told: “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field. 25 But that night as the workers slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat, then slipped away. 26 When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew.

    27 “The farmer’s workers went to him and said, ‘Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! Where did they come from?’

    28 “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed.

    “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked.

    29 “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’”

  236. saled says:

    “I am coming to see clearly now something totally amazing – that the kind of vengeance God is eager to inflict against sin and sinners is nothing short of total annihilation – of sin that is – along with the total recovery of sinners to reflect the beauty, goodness and love of their Creator. This is the vengeance God uses and is what is described so beautifully in this passage and all throughout the Bible.”

    Thank you, Foreverblessed, for sharing this incredibly beautiful hope.

  237. Beloved says:

    Matthew13 The Parable of the Weeds Explained

    36Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” (That he shared earlier starting in verse 24.

  238. street says:

    Wondering if he’s talking about bad angels, fallen angels as being the weeds?

    “For the day of the Lord is near for all the nations.
    Just as you have done, it will be done to you.
    Your dealings will return on your own head.
    For just as you drank on My holy mountain,
    All the nations will drink continually.
    They will drink [j]to the last drop,
    And become as if they had never existed.17
    But on Mount Zion there will be those who escape,
    And it will be holy. Obadiah 1

    thinking what did they drink that produced nothing?

    thinking of wild olive branches being grafted in.

  239. poohpity says:

    street, the book of Obadiah was a prophesy against the pride(drink)of Edom.

  240. poohpity says:

    That is about the struggle between the two brothers Esau (Edom) and Jacob (Israel).

  241. Beloved says:

    Redeemed—how I love to proclaim it!

    Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb;
    Redeemed through His infinite mercy,
    His child, and forever, I am.
    Redeemed, redeemed,
    Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb;
    Redeemed, redeemed,
    His child, and forever, I am.
    Redeemed and so happy in Jesus,
    No language my rapture can tell;
    I know that the light of His presence
    With me doth continually dwell.
    I think of my blessed Redeemer,
    I think of Him all the day long;
    I sing, for I cannot be silent;
    His love is the theme of my song.
    I know I shall see in His beauty
    The King in whose way I delight;
    Who lovingly guardeth my footsteps,
    And giveth me songs in the night.

  242. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful song, that makes me think of Mary who poured costly oil on Jesus. That is how much she valued Him!
    How precious He was to her.
    She broke the alabaster flask and poured the ointment on Jesus, beforehand. She was in time!
    “She did what she could”
    Says Jesus about her.

    In chapter 14 of “the Normal Christian life” by Watchmen Nee, jei talks about this anointing of Jesus by Mary.

    My church house group leader, an older lady, said that sometimes she was jealous of people who had been freed of drug addiction, , and who were so thankful for their redemption, while she had been a God fearing little lady all her life.

    Mary was not a great sinner in the sense that that prostitute was, but Jesus had given back to her, her dear brother,
    She had bought a very very costly ointment,many many a dinner for many many poor people could have been bought by that money, and yet she “wasted” it all on Jesus.
    Waste….. It would seem a waste to those who do not see the Worth of Jesus, our Redeemer.

  243. foreverblessed says:

    Sales, yes to me that is Hope too.
    I try to read these verses as this bible teacher does: vengeance, not to destroy, but to eventually let people come to turn to Jesus.
    But when I read these scriptures myself, I dread.
    Is it my own thinking that is what I read into it?
    Or is it really that hopeful?
    God be merciful on us.

  244. Beloved says:

    Yesterday I was enamored by what God said about Himself to Moses, that He would make all His GOODNESS pass before him-
    Exodus 33:19–20
    19 And he said, “ I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”

    Goodness! It’s his justice we are afraid of- but do we deserve His mercy? Yes if we believe that Christ is our redeemer. As for others who don’t believe God is God and therefore haven’t partaken of Gods gracious mercy- no matter how sinful- (for all ( bad boys and girls as well as good boys and girls) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God) Romans. Goodness! He is Good and we can’t comprehend it because of the darkness over the land and in our hearts.

    God is love, John says.

  245. Beloved says:

    Blessed three in one God we know you are able so pray for Christians in the Middle East that their faith would stay strong and an abundance of souls would be added to Your Kingdom for Jesus’ sake and your glory, amen.

  246. Beloved says:

    “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    1 Thessalonians 5:9

    Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Romans 5:1

  247. Beloved says:

    My church house group leader, an older lady, said that sometimes she was jealous of people who had been freed of drug addiction, , and who were so thankful for their redemption, while she had been a God fearing little lady all her life. Foreverblessed

    Reminds me of the older brother of the prodigal. I don’t understand it because I am so happy when god changes a troubled life.

  248. Beloved says:

    Matthew20 11On receiving their pay, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12‘These men who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.’

    13But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Did you not agree with me on one denarius? 14Take your pay and go. I want to give this last man the same as I gave you. 15Do I not have the right to do as I please with what is mine? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

    16So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

  249. foreverblessed says:

    That’s why I thought that Mary of Bethany is a good example for all those God fearing people from their youth:
    Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalene, they were like equals in seeing the worth of Jesus.

    Mary poured the costly nard over Jesus, just a few days, or weeks after that her brother Lazarus was raised from death to life.

    We have been talking about suffering.
    Mary was devoted to Jesus, she sat at His feet. But she suffered in the ordeal of losing her brother, and then she saw the mighty deliverance Jesus gave. This whole thing with Lazarus had a deeper impression on her:
    Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah, (Anointed One)

    I am so glad she did anoint Him, just before His burial. She was the one of all mankind to do it.

    This Body, (and the Blood) that is so precious to us, because God put us in Him,
    Because of Him, you are in Christ Jesus.
    1 Cor 1:30

  250. foreverblessed says:

    God put us in Jesus, we are in Him.
    When we suffer now, we are not alone, we are in Christ, and Christ is with us.

    To take everything in prayer to Him, says a song

    I am still busy with the Blood and Body of Christ.
    The Blood, gives us forgiveness of our sins, day after day.
    The Body has a great meaning in the deeper problem of sin:
    We not only sin, since the fall of Adam, our old self is sin.
    I try to give words to it
    Forgiveness of sins, and deliverance from sin.
    How fallen we were: as Beloved said: the the wayward ones ( the prodigal) and the “good” ones, there is none good.

    The human will that is independent from God.
    Even Jesus suffered because of the human will.
    His ordeal in Gethsemane was a huge one!
    “Not My will, but Your will be done”
    Three times He pleaded, and He sweat blood.
    It was an awesome struggle, there Jesus felt how strong the self-will is.
    Jesus knew He had come for this hour, but when His hour came, the struggle came too.

    “Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.”
    Hebrews 2:18
    And it is His conquering of the self-will that is ours.
    We were put in Jesus, by the Word of God,
    1 Cor 1:30
    He triumphed over our self will too.
    We can stand in Him, in faith.

  251. foreverblessed says:


    This word rings on my ear, a few weeks now, reading all the ordeals many of us have shared here.

    Ebenezer…the Lord has helped me this far.

    In all the past troubles, that we had, do we see afterwards how God was with us anyway?

  252. poohpity says:

    How is the sin of one any greater than the sin of another? If the sin is no greater in one than another then the redemption is the same for both? Just some realize this and therefore do not believe that one kind of sin is greater than any other sin, those are the one’s that come humbly before the throne of Grace beating their chest asking for the mercy of God. The one’s who believe that the sin they see in others is greater than their own are the one’s struggling with self righteousness and pride which God detests both and probably will not see the Kingdom of God. Isn’t that what Jesus teaches? Luke 18:9-14 NLT

    Both Mary’s realized who they were compared to who Jesus was and therefore knew the sin that was in each of them. Neither one better than the other. Being freed from addiction or pride is the call of the redeemed. All come to the level ground at the foot of the Cross and the beautiful redeeming grace, mercy and forgiveness found there.

  253. Beloved says:

    In all the past troubles, that we had, do we see afterwards how God was with us anyway?

    Forever I’ve seen this many many times thinking of my past when I didn’t know God. Yet I was known by Him! God blesses the just and the unjust. We can see how He protects and pours out so much love and protection on all sinners. I think it’s the great patience of God that is so hard to understand sometimes- isn’t that love ❤️

  254. Beloved says:

    You mentioned suffering. I found a most beautiful hymn today:
    I Shall Not Want by Audrey Assad

    Very deep and meaningful.

  255. street says:

    thinking about the verses where God’s Goodness passes by moses. it seems we need to let God pass by us so that we can follow this Goodness.

    and we are called to count the cost. to not turn back.

    yet there is much more ahead.

    denial the cross new life fisherman witnesses children of God peace joy mercy faith hope love.

    thinking future God is all and in all. no more darkness/evil.

  256. street says:

    When I read his comments with it, then O see the Mercy of God, that when God’s wrath is mentioned, it is always used to let people come to their senses, and turn to Him.
    God’s wrath is never used to destroy the person, but to destroy the wickedness in a person.

    thinking the cross of Christ and His life/blood that was shed/given to those who come to Him in faith for Salvation. a transference of sin to Christ. paul said we were crucified with Christ, now we live for Him. new life after we died. yet i know if i say i have no sin the truth is not in me. Jesus is Truth! new thought Truth is a Person. Truth to be formed in us. to as many who have received the Spirit of Truth to them He gave the right to become the Children of God.

  257. street says:

    What a Blessing!

  258. Beloved says:

    Reminded of the refiners fire. How do you know when it is finished? When God can see His own reflection. Christ likeness not a copy but a true reflection of the goodness of God! Blessing indeed! All for Gods glory.

  259. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning fellow sojourners; I have been following along with the thread of conversation as it goes from thought to thought. Have had thoughts of my own, but just have not had the time nor unction to post anything.

    I did find it curious that in a topic of God’s love, God’s merciless vengeance came up. I suppose it is natural for us to consider the story of God given in all of the OT in contrast to the testimony of Him given by Jesus in the New Testament.

    I will only say that we who are called or call ourselves “Christian” are followers of Him, Jesus of Nazareth. We are not Orthodox Jew’s.

    I don’t know all of the “bastard” religion Islam, but I know enough about it that it has many similarities of the Mosaic Law whereas an eye of an eye is ordered as well as the cruel execution of disobedience by being stoned to death.

    The Jew’s wanted to kill Jesus because He violated the Law by proclaiming to be the Great I Am of the burning bush. His violation of the law warranted it, but the occupying Roman law would not let them.

    So they twisted the truth around and manipulated Pilate to do it for them.

    They pushed Pilate until he gave in, even though he didn’t really want to.

    Have any of you ever been manipulated or pushed into doing something you didn’t really want to do?

    Courage and strength to stand up and not be used is not as easy as it may seem. Just look at the news stories of today and how the people who present the stories are influencing how you think.

    And of course the social media who shame you into thinking as the rest of the mob does.

    As did the mob that yelled out “crucify Him”.

    A cool 54 this morning as fall is fast approaching.


  260. street says:

    12 Lord, are you not from everlasting?
    My God, my Holy One, you[a] will never die.
    You, Lord, have appointed them to execute judgment;
    you, my Rock, have ordained them to punish.
    13 Your eyes are too pure to look on evil;
    you cannot tolerate wrongdoing.
    Why then do you tolerate the treacherous?
    Why are you silent while the wicked
    swallow up those more righteous than themselves?
    14 You have made people like the fish in the sea,
    like the sea creatures that have no ruler.
    15 The wicked foe pulls all of them up with hooks,
    he catches them in his net,
    he gathers them up in his dragnet;
    and so he rejoices and is glad.
    16 Therefore he sacrifices to his net
    and burns incense to his dragnet,
    for by his net he lives in luxury
    and enjoys the choicest food.
    17 Is he to keep on emptying his net,
    destroying nations without mercy?

    2 I will stand at my watch
    and station myself on the ramparts;
    I will look to see what he will say to me,
    and what answer I am to give to this complaint.[b]

    Habakkuk 2:
    2 Then the Lord replied:

    “Write down the revelation
    and make it plain on tablets
    so that a herald[a] may run with it.
    3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
    it speaks of the end
    and will not prove false.
    Though it linger, wait for it;
    it[b] will certainly come
    and will not delay.

    3 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet. On shigionoth.[a]

    2 Lord, I have heard of your fame;
    I stand in awe of your deeds, Lord.
    Repeat them in our day,
    in our time make them known;
    in wrath remember mercy…..

  261. Beloved says:

    I just read this:

    I Peter 1:10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. 12It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

    New to me, “the Spirit of Christ in them” I think he’s speaking of the OT prophets.

  262. Beloved says:

    More encouragement from Peter-(yes I needed to hear this)

    I Peter1 MSG

    17 You call out to God for help and he helps—he’s a good Father that way. But don’t forget, he’s also a responsible Father, and won’t let you get by with sloppy living.
    18–21 Your life is a journey you must travel with a deep consciousness of God. It cost God plenty to get you out of that dead-end, empty-headed life you grew up in. He paid with Christ’s sacred blood, you know. He died like an unblemished, sacrificial lamb. And this was no afterthought. Even though it has only lately—at the end of the ages—become public knowledge, God always knew he was going to do this for you. It’s because of this sacrificed Messiah, whom God then raised from the dead and glorified, that you trust God, that you know you have a future in God.
    22–25 Now that you’ve cleaned up your lives by following the truth, love one another as if your lives depended on it. Your new life is not like your old life. Your old birth came from mortal sperm; your new birth comes from God’s living Word. Just think: a life conceived by God himself!

  263. poohpity says:

    Steve, very good example of manipulating and twisting the truth about God. Do you really believe that God has merciless vengeance and when did that come up? I believe that God has gone far beyond His righteous judgement on justice and has shown us, since the beginning of time, mercy upon mercy repeatedly over and over again. We never get what we actually deserve ever. It was the will of God that Jesus was born to die on the Cross and no one could have prevented that, it was you and I that caused Jesus’ death not only the mob. Now that was forgiveness, grace and mercy that was determined since the beginning of time as we know it.

    Where do you think Jesus taught us from if not from the OT over and over again? He taught us that the history and the prophets all spoke of Jesus and His coming but one usually has to read it to know that. Matt 5:17

    Oh yes about forming mob’s and manipulating people to think alike that sure is not a foreign language for some who call themselves Christians is it?

  264. poohpity says:

    I think it is always wise to look inside when one accuses someone of something and consider if it isn’t something that the accuser is guilty of themselves.

  265. SFDBWV says:

    What do you think?
    It is written in Genesis that God regretted having created man. So does that mean God may have made a mistake? A mistake of His own doing.

    Is He then capable of making more mistakes?

    In Genesis He kills off every living creature that breathed air except those He placed in the Ark.

    However that didn’t fix the problem of man being evil. What it did do is put into a genealogical thread for Jesus of Nazareth to be born.

    But why that thread? Why from Noah? The seed of evil already was in the DNA of man from Adam and Eve, and certainly in Noah’s sons and daughter in laws.

    Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. He wasn’t without sin in his being.

    I clearly admit I don’t understand how it was that angels were able to have sex with the women of earth. Firstly it makes angels not only male, but spiritual creatures who had the physical sexual reproductive organs capable to have sex.


    Either God created them with the ability to procreate, which implies there were/are female angels. Or that He presented the male angle, fallen or otherwise with the design of doing exactly as happened.

    So if it is possible for God to make a mistake that He regrets, is it possible He made more? That there are other things He regrets?

    Thinking like this makes God more “human” than we would like to believe. So we usually just accept everything as its being God’s will, God hidden mysteries and plan.

    How many things do you regret? What can you do to fix them?

    Some things just stay a regret. With the hope that in the end of all things God is capable of making all things right again.

    All things. Everything.

    Another cool morning at 53 with fog.


  266. Beloved says:


  267. foreverblessed says:

    God, Who is all love,
    Gave His only Son
    Just as did Abraham, give up Isaac,
    He gave up His Son so we could have life.
    Will He Who have up His own Son not give us all things?

    Romans 8:32
    Verse of the day on Biblegateway

  268. street says:

    thinking about the woman/israel receiving a son.

    11 Now [g]one day he came there, and turned in to the upper room and [h]rested. 12 Then he said to his servant Gehazi, “Call this Shunammite.” And when he had called her, she stood before him. 13 And he said to him, “Say now to her, ‘Behold, you have taken trouble for us with all this [i]care; what can I do for you? [j]Would you like me to speak for you to the king or to the commander of the army?’” But she [k]answered, “I live among my own people.” 14 So he said, “What then is to be done for her?” And Gehazi [l]answered, “It is a fact that she has no son, and her husband is old.” 15 He then said, “Call her.” When he had called her, she stood in the doorway. 16 Then he said, “At this season [m]next year, you are going to embrace a son.” And she said, “No, my lord, you man of God, do not lie to your servant.”

    18 When the child was grown, the day came that he went out to his father, to the reapers. 19 And he said to his father, “My head, my head!” And his father said to his servant, “Carry him to his mother.” 20 When he had carried him and brought him to his mother, he sat on her [o]lap until noon, and then he died. 21 And she went up and laid him on the bed of the man of God, and shut the door behind him and left. 22 Then she called to her husband and said, “Please send me one of the servants and one of the donkeys, so that I may run to the man of God and return.” 23 But he said, “Why are you going to him today? It is neither new moon nor Sabbath.” So she just said, “It will be fine.” 24 Then she saddled the donkey and said to her servant, “Drive the donkey and go on; do not slow down [p]the pace for me unless I tell you.” 25 So she went on and came to the man of God at Mount Carmel. 2 Kings 4

    When the man of God saw her at a distance, he said to Gehazi his servant, “Behold, that person there is the Shunammite. 26 Please run now to meet her and say to her, ‘Is it going well for you? Is it going well for your husband? Is it going well for the child?’” Then she [q]answered, “It is going well.” 27 But she came to the man of God at the hill and took hold of his feet. And Gehazi came up to push her away, but the man of God said, “Leave her alone, for her soul is [r]troubled within her; and the Lord has concealed it from me and has not informed me.” 28 Then she said, “Did I ask for a son from my lord? Did I not say, ‘Do not give me false hope’?”

    29 Then he said to Gehazi, “[s]Get ready and take my staff in your hand, and go; if you meet anyone, do not [t]greet him, and if anyone [u]greets you, do not reply to him. And lay my staff on the boy’s face.” 30 The mother of the boy said, “As surely as the Lord lives and you yourself live, I will not leave you.” So he got up and followed her. 31 Then Gehazi went on ahead of them and laid the staff on the boy’s face, but there was no sound or [v]response. So he returned to meet him and informed him, saying, “The boy has not awakened.”

    32 When Elisha entered the house, behold the boy was dead, laid on his bed. 33 So he entered and shut the door behind them both, and he prayed to the Lord. 34 Then he got up on the bed and lay on the child, and put his mouth on his mouth, his eyes on his eyes, his hands on his hands, and he bent down on him; and the flesh of the child became warm. 35 Then he returned and walked in the house back and forth once, and went up and bent down on him; and the boy sneezed seven times, then the boy opened his eyes. 36 And he called Gehazi and said, “Call this Shunammite.” So he called her. And when she came to him, he said, “Pick up your son.” 37 Then she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground, and she picked up her son and left.

    fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground, and she picked up her son and left.

    For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us;
    And the government will [a]rest on His shoulders;
    And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
    There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace
    On the throne of David and over [b]his kingdom,
    To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
    From then on and forevermore.
    The zeal of the Lord of armies will accomplish this.

    1 John 5:20
    And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

  269. bratimus says:

    God having regret in what he created, it isn’t as simple as human regret, a lot of Human regret comes from are own sin.

    God’s regret came form the evil in man, grieved God’s heart. How do humans act when their hearts are grieved.
    After all we were created in God’s Image, so we reflect God in ways, except in our sins.

    I would say That God regreted the evil sins of man that did not reflect God. After all man grieved God’s heart.

    I actually think we understand the regret God had, we can’t bring God down to human level. I think it is more of God grieved over man becoming so evil that their was no hope for man at that time to step out of the evil. Only Noah and family were saved.

    So how evil do you think man became before the flood.

    In Christ Jesus name


  270. Beloved says:

    Reading Lamentations tonight. Poor Jeremiah! Weeping and wailing to intercede for us all actually. Evil described here is horrific. Yet he shares hope. This citation from gotquestions:

    “ Even in terrible judgment, God is a God of hope (Lamentations 3:24-25). No matter how far we have gone from Him, we have the hope that we can return to Him and find Him compassionate and forgiving (1 John 1:9). Our God is a loving God (Lamentations 3:22), and because of His great love and compassion, He sent His Son so that we would not perish in our sins, but can live eternally with Him (John 3:16). God’s faithfulness (Lamentations 3:23) and deliverance (Lamentations 3:26) are attributes that give us great hope and comfort. He is not a disinterested, capricious god, but a God who will deliver all those who turn to Him, admit they can do nothing to earn His favor, and call upon the Lord’s mercy so that we will not be consumed (Lamentations 3:22).”

  271. street says:

    Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. He wasn’t without sin in his being.

    noah believed God like abraham and righteouness was credited to him too.

    a more sinister question would be did their works of building an ark save them? no not really they died later. they where saved from a supernatural destruction that was so bad God promised never to do it again. a supernatural destruction of sin? faith? steve is correct sin continues to plague the world and individuals, reserved for fire.

    thinking of the verse Baptized with Spirit and Fire.

    And will shine like the stars.

    thinking of the Ark of the Covenant visible from earth in heaven in the future.

  272. foreverblessed says:

    Thinking about the regret of God, thank you Bratimus for your explanation! I felt in my heart this was true.

    Jesus was the Lamb of God who was slain, from the creation of the earth. Revelation 13:8
    When mankind fell, chose independence from God, Jesus would come to redeem them.
    But that society was not saved, ( maybe beyond repair?)

    only Noah with seven others, and that saving stands as a type of the salvation through Jesus Christ,
    1 Peter 3:18-22
    In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism, that now saves you also-
    not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience towards God.
    It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand- with angels, authorities and powers in submission to Him.

    Another type is the veil, the curtain;
    Through the veil, which is the body of Christ, the way back to Gods sanctuary was opened for man.
    Hebrews 10:20
    By the Word of God, He puts is in the Body of Christ, through death and in the tomb, and raises us in newness of life, the Eternal Life of His Son.

    I would rather focus on the type of Jesus as our Savior, that is found in the OT,
    In any other way, I get distracted easily.

  273. foreverblessed says:

    The Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
    Rev 13:8

  274. SFDBWV says:

    I don’t think God makes mistakes at all. I think everything from before creation through the new creation is all just exactly what and the way God wanted it.

    Was the fall of man and the need for a Savior the result of the fall of man, or was it for the purpose of Jesus?

    I think the entire “story” is all about Jesus and we are given just enough information in order for “faith” to believe that which we don’t know.

    In Genesis we already have fallen angels, yet the war in heaven doesn’t take place until Revelation, and I believe after the “Rapture” of the Church.

    I believe the Rapture takes place at the beginning of Chapter 4 in Revelation.

    And I believe we are in the dawn of the end of the age right now.

    How evil were the people of the world prior to the flood? Just as the days of Noah were, so are the days prior to when Christ returns. So it is written.


  275. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Steve, I didn’t think you took it literally.

    Just enough information we have been given.
    I remember you asked the question: the time of Grace is now,
    And will that be over after the day of judgment?
    Will the God be merciless after the day of judgment?
    You asked that question

    I thought that you yourself kept it open.
    But many christians believe that it is so. And in fact they get angry at you when you say:
    I keep it open, I don’t want to decide for God.
    I am for the God Who always hopes!

    God Who never changes.
    Whenever anyone turns to Him with a truthful heart He will always listen.
    Joel 2:32
    1 Cor 13:7 Love Always Hopes
    And God is all Love.

    But don’t misunderstand me,
    Nobody can see God and live.
    Only through Christ can we come to God.

  276. foreverblessed says:

    Come as you are.

    That call is to come to Jesus,

    And He will take us to God, like as on the ark through the water.
    We cannot come to God, Holy in His Sanctuary, as we are.

    We need Jesus, His Word puts us in Jesus and takes us to God.
    1 Cor 1:30 with Hebrews 10:19-20
    Romans 6:3

  277. foreverblessed says:

    Street, I had to think about the son of the woman of Shunes.
    (This thought is a different threat.)
    She was given a son, as by a miracle. But she herself said: don’t give me false hope!
    And then her gears come true: the son died.
    She does not even tell her husband!

    She is a type for Israel, the Son, that was given!
    But then the Son dies!
    On the Cross, and all hope was gone!

    But then the Son is raised to Life, on Easter morning, in the sunlit garden.
    And the disciples got Hope again.
    Well this threat also points to the Salvation through Jesus.

    Jesus, Who brings us back to God

  278. foreverblessed says:

    The woman of Shunem
    2 Kings 4:8-37
    See Street, Aug 22, 3.41 pm

    There was a series on the geography of Israel, on discover the word, and why that matters.
    Jesus went to Nain, Luke 7:11-17, and raises a widows son.
    Nain lies nortwest of the hill of Moreh, and Shines lies southwest of that hill. The people in Jesus’ times, knew what this meant, a great prophet has appeared.
    Luke 7:16-17
    like Elisha, who raised the son of the woman of Shunem.

    But Jesus was not only the Prophet, He was also the fulfilment of the type that the son portrayed: the son that died, and was raised to life again.

  279. foreverblessed says:

    O dear, typos again, or auto-correct:
    Her fears come true! Not her gears.

    “Oh, no my lord, she objected ( to the promise of a son).
    Don’t mislead your servant, o man of God”
    2 Kings 4:16
    In other words: don’t give me false hope.
    And then he dies! Her actions after his death are kind of weird, to me they showed that she feared the loss of her son. The one she didn’t ask for, but was promised by the prophet. She doesn’t even tell her husband, she lays him on the bed of Elisha, in the room they had made for him on the roof.
    And asks for a servant and a donkey, to ride to Elisha.
    To nobody she says anything, only to Elisha, when she grasps his feet
    “Did I ask for a son, my lord?
    Didn’t I tell you, “Don’t raise my hope”
    2 Kings 4:28

    It sure looks like the distress Mary of Magdalene showed on the garden, looking for Jesus, the distress all the disciples had: the One they hoped for had died.

    The Son that was given
    Isaiah 9:6

    But thanks be to God: He did not leave Him in the tomb.
    But raised Him to Life.

    And by the selfsame Power by which Jesus was raised to life, we can live.
    Ephesians 1:17-23

  280. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, I just hopped in, I am busy painting outside, woodwork.
    Having a break
    The distress of the woman of Shunem, I compared it to the distress of Mary of Magdalene, but Mary did not say to Jesus, beforehand: don’t raise my hope.
    As did the Shunem woman.l say to Elisha.

    But the : ” don’t raise my hope”
    did made me thinking…
    A deep fear, hidden inside, that maybe all is lost.
    Paul said: we even despaired of our own life.

    “He who loses his life will find it”
    Words of Jesus

    The fear of death, the despair about our own life and the lives of our dear ones,
    O, if we could trust Jesus that much, that
    All is well.

  281. Beloved says:

    Michael Heiser has written some interesting things about angels procreating with humans using Psalm 82 as a starting point.

  282. street says:

    thinking of angels and, people? how much more God and man.

  283. bratimus says:

    My post took a moment to show up, so I didn’t get a chance to do another.

    Steve mention what I was going to mention.

    That the flood, the judgment of God on man for sins, points to why we need the redeemer in Christ Jesus. The OT points to why we need Jesus.

    In Christ Jesus name

    The man of few words

  284. Beloved says:

    I was remembering when mart said he was going to try to be involved here. I’m sad. But maybe this monster is too unsettling to deal with in his grief? Even patience in man has its limits.

  285. Beloved says:

    Thinking again about judgement I saw that Isaiah (66) prophesied that it is actually people who will be killed by Jesus at the final judgement before the coming of the new heavens and new earth.

    22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
    that I make
    shall remain before me, says the LORD,
    so shall your offspring and your name remain.
    23From new moon to new moon,
    and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
    all flesh shall come to worship before me,
    declares the LORD.

    24“And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

    Just as Jesus said would happen. Just when I was once again tempted (here) by twisted progressive Christian thought, again. I must guard my thoughts. Godwin is a good teacher in a world of false teachers. Light in darkness.

  286. Beloved says:

    Mark 9:43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell,e into the unquenchable fire.f 45If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.g 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where ‘their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.’h

    Good Salt
    (Matthew 5:13–16; Luke 14:34–35)
    49For everyone will be salted with fire.i

    50Salt is good, but if the salt loses its saltiness, with what will you season it? Have salt among yourselves, and be at peace with one another.”

  287. poohpity says:

    The twilight zone!

  288. street says:

    4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

  289. street says:

    The twilight zone!

    in this world of darkness the devil masquerades as an angel of light. truly a twilight zone.

    yet Greater is he that is in you than he who is in the world.

  290. Beloved says:

    yet Greater is he that is in you than he who is in the world.

    Belonging to God is wonderful!

  291. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 118:1
    Tell the Lord
    how thankful you are,
    because he is kind
    and always merciful.

    Let Israel shout,
    “God is always merciful!”
    Let the family of Aaron
    the priest shout,
    “God is always merciful!”
    Let every true worshiper
    of the Lord shout,
    “God is always merciful!”

  292. foreverblessed says:

    This is what Spurgeon says about: His mercy endures forever:

    “It is to be hoped that the philosophical interpreters who endeavour to clip the word “for ever”, into a mere period of time will have the goodness to let this passage alone. However, whether they do or not, we shall believe in endless mercy—mercy to eternity. The Lord Jesus Christ, who is the grand incarnation of the mercy of God, calls upon us at every remembrance of him to give thanks unto the Lord, for “he is good.”

  293. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Foreverblessed for your morning comments. It is always good to see you here when I come to the site.

    Matt is just finishing his breakfast and I have already had a cup of coffee with a sweet sticky bun.

    Soon he will be napping and I will join him for a while. For now the dark sky above is treating me with some stars as overnight the very bright moon had most out shined.

    Indeed what is time to the Creator of time? Einstein discovered it can be bent, stretched and contorted. Affected if you will by its universal environment.

    The thing for me to remember is the brief time I have now. Time to enjoy the people I love and know. The brief time I have to be the best example of Jesus that I can show to others by simply being me. Not by preaching to them, but by how I treat them, show kindness and generosity to them and yes show love and concern for them.

    I do hope you as well as all our friends here are blessed today in every way possible.


  294. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very very much Steve, for your kind words!
    May God bless you and Matt, in this day, every moment now!

    This moment is the Lord’s, let us rejoice!

    That is soothing as my words have been labeled as being from Satan, who appears as an angel of light.
    I thought, Pooh, that it really hurt you that people call you Satan. You don’t want to be treated like that, so why do you treat me like that?

  295. poohpity says:

    forever, exactly when did I treat you like that or call you Satan? I said no such a thing. I know with out a doubt that flesh and blood people are not Satan. I do know that Satan effects our thinking away from the loving kindness and mercy of our Lord so that we concentrate on anything else other than God but people are not Satan and I apologize if you even for a moment thought I was calling anyone Satan because that is a false accusation that did not come from my heart or mind or comments. I usually do not call people names or insinuate that I know what is in their heart only God knows that but I can read what people write and think they are coming from a place similar to the twilight zone, out of this world type of thing more in tune with Hollywood movies than with scripture.

    It sounds like you are assuming that my comment about this being the twilight zone which happened to come after your comment was meant for you alone and it was not it was meant for anyone that does not realize that the way God does things is full of loving kindness, mercy, justified or is in anyway not meant for the good for all His creation, in other words putting a human perspective, logic or reasoning on the actions of God which just shows they do not know God at all to think He has evil intent for anything He does like people do.

  296. poohpity says:

    However Satan can and does “influence” they way people think about God just like he did in the garden with Adam and Eve he caused them to doubt the loving kindness of God and he never stops doing that but it is up to us who we listen to, we have choice that was given to us by God who will follow after.

  297. poohpity says:

    who we will follow after not “who will follow after”.

  298. poohpity says:

    Psalm 8:

    O Lord, our Lord,
    how majestic is your name in all the earth!
    You have set your glory above the heavens.
    Out of the mouth of babies and infants,
    you have established strength because of your foes,
    to still the enemy and the avenger.

    When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,
    the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,
    what is man that you are mindful of him,
    and the son of man that you care for him?

    Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.
    You have given him dominion over the works of your hands;
    you have put all things under his feet,
    all sheep and oxen,
    and also the beasts of the field,
    the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea,
    whatever passes along the paths of the seas.

    O Lord, our Lord,
    how majestic is your name in all the earth!

  299. street says:

    1 Corinthians 15:50
    I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

    John 6:56
    Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

    John 6:55
    For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

    John 6:54
    Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

    John 6:53
    Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

    you must be born again.

    Hebrews 2:14
    Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—

    thinking the physical body of Jesus did not undergo decay and was raised up on the third day by the Father.

    our faith is in the One Who died, yet was raised up and is going to return.

    blessed is he who comes in the Name of the LORD.

  300. street says:

    30 And he said, “With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable shall we use for it? 31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when sown on the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth, 32 yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants and puts out large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade.”

    John 12:23-25

    23 And Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour is come that the Son of Man should be glorified.

    24 Verily, verily I say unto you, unless a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    25 He that loveth his life shall lose it, and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

  301. Beloved says:

    Acts11:13And he told us how he had seen the angel stand in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa and bring Simon who is called Peter;
    14he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.
    16And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

    17If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us *when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?”

    18When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

  302. Beloved says:

    Bubbles Saled Steve I hope you are safe in the storm? The flooding over there according to the news has been horrible. Hurricane Henri for those who aren’t aware.

  303. bubbles says:

    Missing Regina and Viv here. Hope they are all right.

  304. bubbles says:

    No issues here with any storm. Thank you. Sorry to be off topic again.

  305. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Bubbles I too wonder about the condition of Regina and Viv as well as so many others who either remain silent or worse.

    And as Bubbles has stated Joyce the storm that flooded Tennessee was an isolated issue there and the flooding in the Northeast is far from Bubble and I, though Saled may have gotten hit with “Henri”.

    Thank you though for your concern.

    Bubbles don’t worry about being on or off topic as that issue left the page a month ago.

    “The Lord Bless You.,,”
    I am one of those people who when I sneeze I usually sneeze several times in a row before it stops. Each and every time I do, Matt says, “God bless you Dad”.

    The thing is I am blessed in many ways. I have to sometimes remember that.


  306. bubbles says:

    Dear friends, some of you may remember Rocky who posted here a few years ago. He has gone to be with the Lord. Precious in the eyes of the Lord are the death of His saints. He was a dear friend for many years.

  307. SFDBWV says:

    Very sorry to hear of Rocky’s passing. A friend is a rare gift and one sorely missed when gone.

    May out gracious Lord bless and comfort you Bubbles. If we could Matt and I would give you a big hug.


  308. Beloved says:

    Pray for a family in Tennessee who lost twin 7month old babies in the flood. The father could not hold them along with their other 3 children against the waters. So heartbreaking for them. I just can’t imagine the pain and guilt.

  309. Beloved says:

    Can someone help me to understand how Jesus’ words (warnings) about death and hell- as well as Johns in the Revelation- are not to be taken literally? I’m confused by the use of the word “forever” by some here. Seems to me it contradicts what is written. Maybe I’m confused as a growing point in my walk with God OR deception. I know Jesus yet it bothers me. I’m expecting He will clear this up quickly for me but I wanted to ask here. Thanks

  310. street says:

    the contradictions are a contrast between faith and unbelief, obedience and disobedience.

    abraham believed God, Person, and righteousness was credited to him.

    it seems if we believe, we vote with our feet.

    like james saying there would be evidence of faith.

    yet as paul would say we would have nothing to boast about before God other than His Grace and Mercy that has been given in Christ Jesus.

    Jesus said He would never leave us nor forsake the ones who the Father draws to the Son.

    this last thought is, who hopes for what they already have? even though we have been given the Spirit of Truth.

    the fact that we struggle and seek, have trials and temptations is evidence of a struggle to be holy faithful godly and content. something that is great gain. to be equipped for every good work.

    battle dress required.

    dress by faith and obedience.

    resting, holding to, walking in Christ and His Word in us

  311. Beloved says:

    Thank you sir.

  312. saled says:

    Thank you for thinking of me, Beloved. Henri did not come far enough north to be a problem where I live. My home is just 6 miles from the Atlantic ocean, so we were very thankful the storm stayed to our south. My heart goes out to the family who lost the twins in Tennessee. I had not heard that story until reading BTA tonight.

    I appreciate all the posts with scripture and ideas that you all share. I hope to soon be able to participate more often. I am not returning to my job at the school. I’ve spent the summer taking care of my grandchildren so my 2 daughters could work, and it seems like by the time they go home at the end of the day, I don’t have energy enough to think. I am very thankful that I was able to do this for them this summer, and I’m thankful for the teachers and staff preparing a place and activities for them as they go back to school. My hat is off to all teachers. Their job is so much more difficult and crucial than it was just two years ago. And the same is true of so many other progessions, medical workers, police officers, pharmacists, retail workers, etc.

    Again, thanks so much to all of you for sharing your thoughts. Been Thinking has brought a lot of hope into my life over the past 10 years or so. Looking forward to more.

  313. bratimus says:

    I’m so sorry to hear about Rocky.

    He had Good words and enjoyed what he wrote.

    May he find his perfect rest and peace with God.

    In Christ Jesus name


  314. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you for telling us Bubbles.
    I really enjoyed his writing here.
    Wasn’t he driving on a truck, and telling the gospel where he could? He wasn’t that old yet, wasn’t he?
    He has gone to be with the Lord, what a beautiful description. He is with Jesus! What a good place to be.
    May God comfort you in your loss.

  315. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, been thinking….
    To be called progressive, or deceived, being labeled as something to guard against,
    If the only thing that I do, is having a good look at the word:
    Forever and ever

    In Greek it is
    Aionas ages upon ages

    Ages like aeon, a very very long time.
    See Greek Strong concordance, nr 165.

    Even the Hebrew word for ever is Ow-lam, and means ages.

    There is no word in Greek nor Hebrew for forever. Like meaning : without end.

    But that God will Reign without end is used with different words:

    Of the increase of His Government and peace there will be no end.
    Isaiah 9:7

  316. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 102:25-28
    In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands.
    They will perish, but you remain;
    they will all wear out like a garment.
    Like clothing you will change them
    and they will be discarded.
    But you remain the same,
    and your years will never end.
    The children of your servants will live in your presence;
    their descendants will be established before you.”

  317. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Saled, for your encouragement.
    It indeed takes much time to write here. Not everyone has that time.
    It is raining now, I cannot paint outside.
    This is the first summer in 4 years, with so much rain. We have had three dry and hot summers. It was much too warm for me to do the paintwork.
    But whether we are writing, painting, serving, teaching..
    to do everything for the love of Jesus. Because we love Jesus, what do we do now? Everything done in the Holy Spirit will lasts through the ages.
    Ages and ages
    The rest will fade, and be gone.

    So I was painting, while praying, or I was praying while painting.
    But yesterday the praying faded a little during the painting.

    Thank you for having been a teacher, for the warm heart for your pupils, may God bless all your pupils, and their family!

  318. foreverblessed says:

    Ages upon ages.
    If someone would call on God’s name, and repent
    after ages upon ages….
    If that would be possible…

    Then…to say that God would not allow it, because judgement day is passed, and His Mercy is over.
    That to me is calling God cruel.

    But, on the other hand, if no one will call on His Name, not after ages upon ages, then it depends on the people’s heart that is not willing.

    God knows….

  319. poohpity says:

    Ages to ages is speaking of the Lord but man has only been given the time set for his/her life and in that time is given many chances for eternal life by believing in Jesus. That seems to be why it is imperative to be about the commission the Lord gave His followers as He ascended into heaven; “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    It is not cruelty of God that some perish because He did not want that any should perish but just as in the parable of the 10 bridesmaids only 5 went into the wedding feast the others went to the place of weeping and gnashing of the teeth. It was not because God wanted that it was their choice and the reason was because they never knew the Lord.

    1 Tim 2: This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    John 3: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    2 Peter 3: Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.…

    Only those who are alive can repent even if it is in the last moments of life, the last breath.

    bubbles, so very sad to hear about Rocky!

  320. street says:

    Genesis 18:25
    Far be it from You to do such a thing, to kill the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”

    4 “Do not say in your heart when the Lord your God has driven them away from [a]you, ‘Because of my righteousness the Lord has brought me in to take possession of this land.’ Rather, it is because of the [b]wickedness of these nations that the Lord is dispossessing them before you. 5 It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you are going in to take possession of their land, [c]but it is because of the [d]wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out from before you, and in order to confirm the [e]oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    Proverbs 11:31
    If the righteous will be repaid on the earth, How much more the wicked and the sinner!

    Ezekiel 18:24
    “But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness, commits injustice and does according to all the abominations that the wicked person does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

    3 and say to the land of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord says: “Behold, I am against you; and I will draw My sword from its sheath and cut off from you the righteous and the wicked. 4 Because I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore My sword will go out from its sheath against [a]humanity from south to north. 5 So [b]humanity will know that I, the Lord, have drawn My sword from its sheath. It will not return to its sheath again.”’

    Ezekiel 33:12
    And you, son of man, say to your fellow citizens, ‘The righteousness of a righteous one will not save him on the day of his offense, and as for the wickedness of a wicked one, he will not stumble because of it on the day when he turns from his wickedness; whereas a righteous one will not be able to live by his righteousness on the day when he commits sin.’

    Malachi 3:18
    So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.

    Matthew 13:49
    So it will be at the end of the age: the angels will come forth and remove the wicked from among the righteous,

    Romans 4:8
    Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”

  321. street says:

    i would not wait till my last breath because i don’t know when that will be.

    thinking His Name would be in my mind in my heart in my soul….in life.

  322. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed, the only thing that I dread is this:
    Hebrews 6:4-8
    “4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.”

    The son against the Holy Spirit, that we don’t act on the urgings of the HS, and then become numb to it. And fall away.

    That is really a dreadful thing.
    And I do not want to dwell on that.

    Fear is not a good guidance.
    But the writer in Hebrews continues:

  323. foreverblessed says:

    9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.”
    Hebrews 6:9-10

    In my case, and your case, he speaks of better things.
    Keep your eyes on Jesus.

    But this warning is something to take into account when people are asked for altar calls:
    Count the cost!
    Not to think lightly of the choice for Jesus.
    Know what you are deciding for, for there is no turning back, once you “have been enlightened, have tasted the goodness of Gods word, and the power of the coming age.”

  324. Beloved says:

    Then…to say that God would not allow it, because judgement day is passed, and His Mercy is over.
    That to me is calling God cruel.

    The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Knowing God takes time, but He is good, always. Moses learned this through being called to lead Gods people to the promised land but they did not make it, due to their unbelief. We have another Shepherd who showed us the away through peace with God. Christ Jesus on whom all who call will. be. saved. There is no other name to call upon. Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever!

  325. Beloved says:

    I remember rocky from when I first started here. My condolences to his friends and family.

    “We have another Shepherd who showed us the away through peace with God.“ oops, should read, We have another Shepherd who showed us the Way to peace with God.

  326. street says:

    19 my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish/labor of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! Galatians 4

    2 Consider it all joy, my brothers and sisters, when you encounter various [a]trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [b]endurance. 4 And let [c]endurance have its perfect [d]result, so that you may be [e]perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. James 1:2-4

  327. street says:

    been thinking out peace for couple of weeks. my attention is turning to joy.

  328. street says:

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” John 11

    6 And He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”Exodus 3

    Luke 20:38
    Now He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him.”

    Galatians 6:8
    For the one who sows to his own flesh will reap destruction from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit.

    6 Then the Lord answered Job from the whirlwind and said,

    “Now [b]tighten the belt on your waist like a man;
    I will ask you, and you instruct Me.
    Will you really nullify My judgment?
    Will you condemn Me so that you may be justified?
    Or do you have an arm like God,
    And can you thunder with a voice like His?

    “Adorn yourself with pride and dignity,
    And clothe yourself with honor and majesty.
    Let out your outbursts of anger,
    And look at everyone who is arrogant, and humble him.
    Look at everyone who is arrogant, and humble him,
    And trample down the wicked [c]where they stand.
    Hide them together in the dust;
    Imprison [d]them in the hidden place.
    Then I will also [e]confess to you,
    That your own right hand can save you.

    “Have you [a]ever in your life commanded the morning,
    And made the dawn know its place,
    So that it would take hold of the ends of the earth,
    And the wicked would be shaken off from it?
    Job 38:

    26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let’s [a]show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; Hebrews 12:26-28

  329. Beloved says:

    I think the joy comes when it’s finally understood that God has overcome the world flesh and devil through Himself, Jesus. Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In ALL your ways acknowledge Him. Proverbs3

  330. street says:

    14 For this reason I bend my knees before the Father, 15 from whom [m]every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner [n]self, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the [o]saints what is the width and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled to all the fullness of God.

  331. street says:

    speaking of forever…

    20 Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, 21 to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations [p]forever and ever. Amen.

  332. Beloved says:

    Lord, from sorrows deep I call

    Lord from sorrows deep I call
    When my hope is shaken
    Torn and ruined from the fall
    Hear my desperation
    For so long I’ve pled and prayed
    God, come to my rescue
    Even so the thorn remains
    Still my heart will praise You

    Storms within my troubled soul
    Questions without answers
    On my faith these billows roll
    God, be now my shelter
    Why are you cast down my soul?
    Hope in Him who saves you
    When the fires have all grown cold
    Cause this heart to praise You

    Should my life be torn from me
    Every worldly pleasure
    When all I possess is grief
    God, be then my treasure
    Be my vision in the night
    Be my hope and refuge
    Till my faith is turned to sight
    Lord, my heart will praise You

    And, oh, my soul, put your hope in God
    My help, my Rock, I will praise Him
    Sing, oh, sing through the raging storm
    You’re still my God, my salvation

    Based on psalm 42

  333. street says:

    “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

    Temple leaders wanted to know by what authority Jesus had turned over the tables of the moneychangers. It was then that he made his veiled comment about rebuilding this temple in three days— a comment that even his disciples didn’t get until after he had risen from the dead. (John 2:13-21 )

    seems like the purpose and intent of the Temple had been completely destroyed. much like the relationship between God and man in Genesis 3. yet God had already established a people, a language, and a culture that had the capacity to understand God’s intent. yet when going through it did not make any sense. makes no sense apart from the Spirit and Truth. Thank God for Pentecost!

  334. street says:

    Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
    Matthew 5

  335. SFDBWV says:

    Well it seems that the few people who comment here are still hung up on word play.

    Most likely I started it by proclaiming that I hope and believe that in the end of all things all of humankind are returned to God.

    The only thing that has no end is God. He was before time existed and will remain after.

    Everything will be made new. All the former things done away with.

    But God remains the same.

    We all came from God and we will eventually all return to God. His will is always done in heaven according to the words in the Lord’s Prayer.

    Even heaven is a created place and according to Scripture, made new.

    But all the former things are done away with, death and hell no longer existing.

    Does this mean people get away with being rebellious or sinful? No it means that in the end God wins and wins all because of Him and His act of sacrifice and purpose for it is the evidence of it.

    You who want people to suffer eternal torment are free to do so. As for me I don’t.

    Interesting isn’t it how God is spreading Islam all around the world by these failed wars by way of the multitude of refugees trying to escape it.


  336. poohpity says:

    I, like God do not want people to suffer eternal torment that is the reason I share the Good News with others! Does it mean we want others to suffer eternal torment because we do not share the Good News? It would seem that may be so.

    I went back and read the comments and I did not read even one that said they wanted people to suffer eternal torment.

    In the Lord’s prayer we pray for God’s will to be done and what better for our lives is God’s will. The One we can not fathom totally the breath, length, width and depth of His love and who better to trust with our whole life than HE, the great “I AM”. The day when one let’s go of trying to play god, to turn our life and will over to Him above all else now that is a time that no words can describe but our hearts and minds will be filled with His love, His joy, His peace, His patience, His kindness, His gentleness and with His self control. Hallelujah!!!!!

  337. Beloved says:

    Foto Sisters

    I Will Wait for You
    Psalm 130

    Out of the depths I cry to You
    In darkest places I will call
    Incline Your ear to me anew
    And hear my cry for mercy Lord
    Were You to count my sinful ways
    How could I come before Your throne
    Yet full forgiveness meets my gaze
    I stand redeemed by grace alone

    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    On Your word I will rely
    And I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    ‘Til my soul is satisfied

    So put Your hope in God alone
    Take courage in His power to save
    Completely and forever won
    By Christ emerging from the grave

    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    On Your word I will rely
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    ‘Til my soul is satisfied

    Now He has come to make a way
    And God Himself has paid the price
    That all who trust in Him today
    Find healing in His sacrifice
    That all who trust in Him today
    Find healing in His sacrifice

    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    Through the storm and through the night
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    For Your love is my delight
    Oh, I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    Through the storm and through the night
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    For Your love is my delight
    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    Through the storm and through the night
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    For Your love is my delight

    Oh, You are my delight
    You’re my delight
    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    On Your word I will rely
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    ‘Til my soul is satisfied
    I will wait for You, I will wait for You
    On Your word I will rely
    I will wait for You, surely wait for You
    ‘Til my soul is satisfied

  338. street says:

    The LORD Bless You…

    thinking of prison. a little while back a man killed two police officers. i don’t think he will ever see the outside of the prison he is in. yet i know it is possible that he could be freer than people outside of prison like paul.

    we are told not to suffer as evil doers, but for doing the right thing. how is that possible? sometimes we forget we live in a world under judgment. a world of darkness.

    may you be bless in the light you have in a world of darkness.

    some how i understand the light is to shine freely and effortlessly. yet the old man is a more difficult problem. yet we are not left without a Helper. Spirit and Truth.

  339. Beloved says:

    we are told not to suffer as evil doers, but for doing the right thing. how is that possible?

    I read that passage yesterday myself and noted that we are to remember how Christ suffered and died at the hands of sinners- if I remember correctly. I’ll have to look it up.

  340. Beloved says:

    The Amplified Bible: inserts “in response to persecution” interesting.

    1 Peter 4:15

    Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or a thief, or any sort of criminal [in response to persecution], or as a troublesome meddler interfering in the affairs of others; Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or a thief, or any sort of criminal [in response to persecution], or as a troublesome meddler interfering in the affairs of others;

    Is it possible to find peace and contentment in prison? Good question. Yet we are all sinners; even Christian. Saving grace comes to mind. I have many regrets over my parenting yet I remember saving grace and grieve over the past but it does not dominate my thoughts. Jesus is the only answer. Way truth life justice mercy goodness overflowing. Peace. Yes I believe even behind bars one can have peace. He’s a generous God.

  341. Beloved says:

    Street I’m sorry if I misunderstood you and went off on my own random synapse trail. Mine misfire often 🤷‍♂️

  342. street says:

    But all the former things are done away with, death and hell no longer existing.

    Revelation 19:20
    Doom of the Beast and False Prophet
    And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

    Revelation 20:10
    And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Revelation 20:13-15
    13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if [a]anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 20:15
    And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    sober reading

    sin death corruption wickedness will not exist for the saints in the New Heaven and New Earth, because they over came by the Blood of the Lamb.

    if i remember right they ate the Passover Lamb.

    8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 [f]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, [g]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, [h]resulting in salvation

  343. Beloved says:

    I’m currently reading a book about the attributes and character of God by Beeke and Cosby, None Else. Tonight I read about His compassion and wanted to share this prayer:

    “May our hearts and minds resound more loudly with the history of God’s saving compassion than the noise of the disappointments that cross our paths”. Amen

  344. Beloved says:

    Street I didn’t see your post at 9:46 – internet must be slow between states.🤣

    But I’ve been thinking about how some believe everyone will be saved from eternal death/torment which leads me to ask or think then why read/ study scripture? If it doesn’t matter how we live than why not just do as we please knowing that one day we’ll be in paradise or heaven or nirvana or perfect place where we will be happy forevermore? Time for bed. Goodnight and God bless.

  345. street says:

    21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let’s approach God with a [a]sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let’s hold firmly to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful;

  346. foreverblessed says:

    “If it doesn’t matter how we live than why not just do as we please knowing that one day we’ll be in paradise or heaven or nirvana or perfect place where we will be happy forevermore?”

    It does matter how we live, and that we believe in Jesus, or rather the other way around:
    First faith in Jesus then works, Jesus’ works.

    It is horrendous to be in hell, deep deep disarray.
    Everybody must be told about our Savior, who saves us out of the kingdom of darkness

    But if someone would call on God, in distress, after an aion of time. If that is possible…

  347. SFDBWV says:

    Those among you that can may recall, that often I use a statement that goes like this…Whatever it is your looking for is what you will find.

    From Genesis to Revelation, if you look for God’s judgements, wrath, punishments, and heavy hand you will find it.

    From Genesis to Revelation, if you look for God’s Grace, mercy and forgiveness, this too you will find.

    Now take them to their fullest conclusion and what do you discover? I discovered that grace, mercy and forgiveness wins out over judgements, wrath and punishment.

    Once again take that to its fullest conclusion and what do you find?

    What I found is that in the end of the story, God wins.

    Foreverblessed I never read what pooh says, because I know from what spirit her comments come from. It is not in fellowship or even in simple courteous listening. So I suppose what you quoted came from her.

    Let me just say that, in my opinion, if the only reason someone chooses the Christian doctrine, philosophy, or way of life is so that they can avoid hell. The have completely missed the point of being Christian.

    Being Christian means loving others, being helpful to others, sacrificing yourself for others. Placings others above yourself.

    And happy to do so.

    In spite of how others see or treat you.

    How we live will either produce peace and joy in the face of disappointment and disaster, or misery as a result.

    We can experience hell right now, because of how we live, or heavenly bliss.

    The choice is ours.

    Trust what we don’t know to God and always be open to learn more than what we do know.


  348. poohpity says:

    A simple way to test a spirit is; does it take glory for themselves desiring the praise of people or does it bring Glory to God for what He produces in one’s life? Does what one says point people to the Justice and Goodness of God or cause others to doubt and question the Justice and Goodness of God?

    There will come many false teachers and yes we are to test what people say as coming from the Spirit of God OR from themselves and the spirit of this world?

  349. poohpity says:

    Steve, It is obvious that you do not read what others write either or you would know that what forever quoted was not from me.

  350. poohpity says:

    or do not read the bible either because the essence of what Beloved said came from Paul’s writing in Romans 6.

  351. Beloved says:

    I was listening to a Ligonier podcast about how to evangelize in today’s world. They said that people will talk about God and how they see Him but to evangelize is to talk about sin and how sin separates us from Him. Then of course to talk about Jesus and the sacrifice He made.

  352. Beloved says:

    Btw Steve it was me who made the comment you alluded to. It would be nice if you applied your description of what a Christian is and treats others to everyone here.

    I quote from your own words @4:28am: Being Christian means loving others, being helpful to others, sacrificing yourself for others. Placings others above yourself.

    And happy to do so.

    In spite of how others see or treat you.

    Have a blessed da!

  353. Beloved says:

    The devil loved what I said last night at 10:09 pm. I felt him draw near but checked to be sure my armor was on and he disappeared. He’s not one to mess with. Thank you street for your steady strong voice here also.

  354. street says:

    Those among you that can may recall, that often I use a statement that goes like this…Whatever it is your looking for is what you will find.

    20 And Isaiah 65:1 boldly says,

    “I was found by those who did not seek me;
    I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”

    Moses says, “I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
    I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”

    Proverbs 11:27
    One who diligently seeks good seeks favor, But one who seeks evil, evil will come to him.

    Isaiah 26:9
    At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments, The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.

    Roam about through the streets of Jerusalem, And look and take notice. And seek in her public squares, If you can find a person, If there is one who does justice, who seeks honesty, Then I will forgive her.

    Lamentations 3:25
    The Lord is good to those who await Him, To the person who seeks Him.

    Matthew 7:8
    For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

    John 4:23
    But a time is coming, and even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    John 7:18
    The one who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

    Father that the we would be Holy and walk before you blameless.

  355. street says:

    37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, [h]let him come to Me and drink. 38 The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘[i]From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water

  356. poohpity says:

    street, that John 7:18 passage speaks of those who offer their own opinions rather than the teaching of Christ. Good verse to always think about when speaking or commenting.

  357. Beloved says:

    ◄ Isaiah 41:17 ►
    When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue is parched with thirst, I the LORD will answer them; I the God of Israel will not forsake them.

    Interesting to know that the water Jesus refers to is grace, according to John Gill. What amazing implications. saying, “If anyone is thirsty, [h]let him come to Me and drink. 38 The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘[i]From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.

  358. Beloved says:

    Ephesians2:4 NKJV But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

  359. Beloved says:

    Asking myself does this living water flow out of me in every circumstance?

  360. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh I owe you an apology then for assuming it was you whom Foreverblessed was quoting. I only thought that for I hadn’t seen it when I had read over the other posts.

    I guess Joyce I read past your comment too fast for it to settle in. I do that sometimes when reading the same old stuff.

    It doesn’t change a thing about what I continued to say.


  361. foreverblessed says:

    A river in the desert.
    The living water
    The life of Christ
    The Holy Spirit
    Flowing through those who believe in Jesus
    And give Him the space in their hearts
    Whatever is against Him, we lay at the Cross, we confess our sins, and look to Him to fill us with the fruit of the Spirit
    Asking for more peace, love, patience forbearance.
    He gives us graciously.
    Christ lives in us, He gives us His power,
    That is true!

    It is the Spirit of God that flows,
    Blessed are the poor in spirit, the ones who know they need Christ Jesus.

  362. SFDBWV says:

    I don’t think that there are very many Catholic’s here, but if there are please correct me if I am wrong.

    I have always believed that in the Catholic Christian Church you can be baptized for a person who has died. Thereby releasing them from hell.

    I myself had a dream some 40 some years ago and was instructed to pray for a grandfather who was in “prison”.

    So after talking with someone at a local Catholic church I did and have at times continued to.

    Yes I pray for the dead.

    If my prayers for the dead have weight and value with God, then I have to believe Jesus’s prayers carries much more influence with the “Father”.

    Whereas I am sorry for upsetting any of you with my thoughts, I am not sorry for how and why I believe.

    It is quite interesting how much Greek mythology is like how people believe life after death, heaven and hell are, in comparison to their Christian view.

    In Greek mythology there is a sign present as the dead cross over the river Styx into Hades; “Abandon hope all ye who enter here.”

    Sorry again Pooh for my misplaced accusation directed toward you.


  363. Beloved says:

    Good morning Steve and thanks for your explanation of your beliefs it does explain a lot.

  364. street says:

    there is a good devotional on


    Scripture Union, Encounter with God 8/29/2021

    the Scripture Reading declares why God is to be exalted in the Highest….

    Not to us, Lord, not to us
    but to your name be the glory,
    because of your love and faithfulness.

    PSALM 115

    it goes on to warn what happens if not.

    like paul, we believe God will finish what He has begun not only in creation, but also what He has began in you.

    thinking of herod this morning because the sermon will be about him. does not turn out well for him. God rescues paul from him. yet He did not rescue james.

    i wonder if prayer made then difference?

    spending the entire Passover in prison with plans to kill him afterwards.

    His ways are unsearchable, yet He is found by those who were not looking for Him.

    without trust it is impossible to please God, Who loves and is faithful. The Lord bless you.

  365. street says:

    why would we not pray the dead to come Christ? i was dead in sin before i came to Christ. dead to God

    4 But their idols are silver and gold,
    made by human hands.
    5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
    eyes, but cannot see.
    6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
    noses, but cannot smell.
    7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
    feet, but cannot walk,
    nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
    8 Those who make them will be like them,
    and so will all who trust in them.

    made alive to God in Christ Jesus.

    born of God.

  366. poohpity says:

    Wow Steve, thank you.

    As far as the Catholic religion goes, from what I know, they baptize people into the Catholic religion not as followers of Christ, also the Mormon religion also baptizes for the dead but it seems because they do not understand what goes on in heaven. The Mormons believe that when people go to heaven they even have marriage and produce little spirit babies which then come down and enter the people of their beliefs. So their idea of after physical death here has nothing what so ever to do with what we are taught about coming to believe before you die which guarantees one’s spirit to go to eternal life or to eternal separation(Hades/hell) from God.

    Most people who do not come to believe in this life could careless whether there is a heaven or not nor do they want a relationship with God in the here and now. That is why sharing the Gospel is the power of life although our bodies die who we are actually lives on in the Spirit until we are given a resurrected body.

    Mart wrote the ODB devotion for today which speaks of the Power of the Gospel.

  367. poohpity says:

    If people can be saved after death then what was the point of the imperative that Jesus gave us in the great commission? There would be no point in it. It would be wonderful for people to start their relationship with God while still alive to get them through the hills and valleys of this life not just for eternal life.

  368. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh I read both of your posts after cutting Glenna’s grass and setting down under the fan to cool off.

    I certainly owed you that.

    I know enough about the Roman Catholic faith as well as the Greek Orthodox to know that they baptize in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. That their doctrine is almost exactly like the Protestant. They have more “ceremonial” activities then us, but they take communion every Mass.

    I have said before that I could be Catholic, except for their habit of praying to “Saints”.

    Back a few decades ago They selected a Polish Pope, Karol ???. I think Pope John Paul. There was a discussion in the news about whether they would accept Protestant faith as being legitimate or not and after some thoughtful time the official Church position was that Our Church, any one of the many Protestant ones were not considered legitimate.

    Interesting how billions of believers don’t agree on nearly every Biblical issue. Some even questioning Jesus being the actual Son of God.

    If I could be a little dramatic in my comment about people just going about life thinking why confess Jesus as Lord and then live a life of denying myself of whatever pleasure I desire. When I will not spend “eternity” in a fiery torment anyway. This is what non-believers believe anyway.

    However if a person has knowledge and believes that there is a God, that there is a hell and even believes the words and warning of Jesus, they have already confessed Christ and believe.

    It isn’t going to matter how they then try to live up to any standard as they are covered.

    Which brings into the subject, can a person lose their salvation?

    I am running out of time, sorry. Matt wants on the computer.

    Jesus died so that all could be saved, especially the unbeliever, the sinner.

    I would complain about the heat at 83 degrees, but that seems lame to anyone living in Phoenix AZ.


  369. Beloved says:

    Romans 6:22NKJV
    But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

  370. foreverblessed says:

    With all my heart I disagree with that it is no point to preach the Gospel if they could be saved out of hell!!!

    I so am against that way of thinking!
    Please, we are to preach the Gospel, to save sinners from the kingdom of darkness. All of us need te be redeemed out of that dark place.

    And Jesus paid the price! Only in His Name can we be bought free. In no other name.

    And I also agree with what Steve says: I do not believe in Jesus out of fear of hell,
    It is not fear of hell that keeps me close to Jesus.
    But…..because I love Him, because He first loved me.
    I owe my physical life to Him, and above all: my spiritual life, the Life eternal. Only by being attached to Him can that river of life that comes from Jesus, flow through me.

    (And I have turned so cold today, having had a choir concert outside, it was wonderful, nonetheless, but dreary weather. I am sitting on the couch under a blanket, with a warm bottle. I know it sounds weird, but it is the physical reality here today.
    Beloved, we sang:
    Ave Verum, from Karl Jenkins, and Va pensiero, from Nabucco, Verdi, There are many beautiful prayer choruses in Opera music)

  371. foreverblessed says:

    Romans 6:22
    What a wonderful Bible verse.
    To let the truth of these words flow into my heart and mind, meditate on it, day and night, receive it, treasure it!
    Your Word is a lamp for my feet, and a fire to warm my heart.

  372. Beloved says:

    Forever I wonder if our concern should be more toward knowing God than worrying about people who don’t want to know God? Just thinking out loud. Resting and trusting in Him that whatever the outcome after we die He is always good merciful gracious and has done everything He can to bring about a Way for us to be with and enjoy Him forever. I am sorry for arguing about what “forever” means and forgetting this is a place to discuss but not to cause harm in the discussions. Bible interpretation is not going to be the same for everyone. I guess that’s why we have so many different denominations and groups.

    I started going to a Baptist church when I moved here 8 months ago and am very sad to say it doesn’t work for me. Too much dogma added to scripture and I’m too old and tired to get involved in the works expected so staying home. I’d like to find something but it’s a small town rural area and not up to driving out of town all winter. You can pray for me to find something. Thanks Forever.

    Gods Word IS a lamp for my feet and a light for my path. Wherever He leads me I will follow. 😊

  373. poohpity says:

    forever, have you ever shared the Gospel with those living? Or do you just pray for them after they have died or for someone else to do it? What if that way of thinking is wrong would we miss sharing the gospel with the people the Lord brings into our life? Would we feel the necessity or urgency to share the gospel if we thought there was another way through that narrow gate into everlasting life with God? Just some rhetorical questions to think about.

  374. street says:

    thinking before you can share the Gospel it might be a good idea to love them. even your enemy!? prior to loving then knowing the Gospel and the Spirit. some share the Gospel with wrong motive but paul did not mind has long as they spoke it correctly. it is interesting people sharing the Gospel but not benefiting from it. the fun part is the fishing. either drag net or with a line. the most difficult is discerning not to throw pearls before swine and dogs lest they turn and attack you.

  375. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 16:7
    New King James Version
    7 When a man’s ways please the Lord,
    He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.

  376. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very much Beloved, that is a better way of discussing.
    I will pray for you, to find a place, a family of believers.
    I was in a house prayer group for a long time, before I felt inside to join a church. It is not perfect either. But to walk alongside fellow christians, is what I wanted.
    Paul says, help each other, first of all those of the church family, then outsiders.
    It was Jesus’ vision that christians should show who Jesus is in their own life.
    A life changed through the Life of Christ: the Holy Spirit.

    That the world sees that a Power that is not human, but from God supports christians, that they remain calm and peaceful, and show the love of God.

    Indeed Street, even loving our enemies. And we need the help of God to do that.
    So I need to be attached to the Vine, let nothing disturb the connection.


  377. foreverblessed says:

    Having bible studies in small groups, but even that we have to do with our eyes on Jesus.
    Beloved, you shared Romans 6:22.
    That we are set free through Jesus, and are now His slaves.
    I once used this bible verse in a church house group, and I was being reprimanded, that I had it all wrong, God would not use us as a slave. God was not a Master, controlling us, demanding us. I was not asked first how I meant it. And then to stay loving and peaceful, oh boy.

    But why did Paul use the word “slave”?
    Maybe to connect it to our formerly being slaves to sin.
    Without God, we are slaves to sin. And instead of slaves to sin, we are now slaves to God. And God is a better Master, a loving Father, Jesus even calls us His Friends.

    Not forgetting that God changes our inner man, we are being made new, a heart of stone is getting softer.
    We are willingly serving God, and we want to be in the will of God.

    Praying for those in Louisiana, and you asked for christians in Afghanistan, but also for the women and girls there. And for all. Masters who want to rule people as if they are slaves. I pray for christians there, their steadfastness (from Christ), their inner peace, no matter what. That Jesus is being spread, the love of Jesus. Many many christians around the world pray for that country right now.

  378. foreverblessed says:

    Proverbs 16:7
    Taking that verse in connection with Jesus:
    So, God makes the enemies of Christ to be at peace with Him.

    Whatever you look for, you will find

  379. foreverblessed says:

    Have I ever shared the Gospel?

    That the word “ever” is used, gives it to me a very negative tone. As if the person who asks it, “never” expects you have ever done it. A very discouraging question.

    Once a woman I was playing tennis with, we were playing against two older ladies, and they were very unkind, and even nasty.
    After the game, and we were cycling home, she asked me:
    “Are you a Christian?”
    I showed my surprise to why she would ask that.
    She said:
    “Because you showed so much mercy to those nasty ladies”.

    So this line comes from Assisi, and I use it, unless I hear the Holy Spirit give me words, I will just show Who Jesus is within me, and in the mean time I am busy: to give Jesus lots of more space in my life:

    “Always share the Gospel, of need be by words”

  380. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed. It is written that Jesus preached the Gospel to those long dead from before the flood of Noah.

    1 Peter 3:19-20 KJV

    God will make a way.


  381. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Steve, that is an amazing scripture.
    That scripture also tells me that it is not true that only in this physical life there is a chance to accept Jesus.
    That as soon as you die, it is over and out, no chance to be saved.
    What I do believe is that our “reward” is based on what we have done while in the flesh.

    There is one other point I want to make:
    I myself believe that only God knows whether someone may come out of hell, (only those repentant, and calling on the name of the Lord: Jesus)

    We talk for God if we say: hell is without end.

    Maybe the fire will burn without end, maybe the worm will be there without end, but only God knows the rest.

    And that’s all I have to say about it.
    Talk about it again in aion and soon of time. And that is a very very long time. And we will see what God can do.

  382. foreverblessed says:

    We Will talk about it again in aion and aion of time ( auto-correct made anion into soon, which I found a most humorous change in this discussion, of aion being without end, or a very very long time)

    May God bless you Today!May that blessing pass unto many others, especially in showing the Life of Christ in you.

  383. poohpity says:

    street, you have a point there I think although confusing a few different things.

    I taught our Sunday school class last month on “What is the Gospel and how to share it”. It seems that there is hesitancy in sharing the Gospel because people do not know what it is as some ladies admitted. Most people want to start a conversation about it by pointing out sin while the Gospel is about how much God loved the world and wants a relationship with us. John 13: A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another. 35By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.” I am sure that is what St Francis of Assisi meant.

    forever, the questions I asked were rhetorical, just to think about with no need to answer.

  384. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, reading your questions again, I noticed that you do not read very well what I have written Aug 29, 17.37 pm

    Please, we are to preach the Gospel, to save sinners from the kingdom of darkness. All of us need te be redeemed out of that dark place.

    And Jesus paid the price! Only in His Name can we be bought free. In no other name.”

  385. SFDBWV says:

    On the eve of Jesus’ birth angels proclaimed the “Good News”.

    The Gospel is the “good news” that through Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God mankind’s sins are atoned for.

    We are able to be restored to a relationship with God.

    In proclaiming the “good news” we introduce the world to its Savior, Jesus.

    Great caution from here on as people have the tendency to add to “what God said” without His having said it.


  386. Beloved says:

    Yes forever that also is my motivation to be part of Christs family on earth. I’ve been in home groups also and loved them- the intimacy. To find a group who are of the same mind. Not like a blog.

  387. Beloved says:

    Alas, and Did My Savior Bleed
    Song by Sovereign Grace Music

    Alas, and did my Savior bleed
    And did my Sovereign die?
    Would He devote that sacred head
    For such a worm as I?
    Was it for sins that I had done
    He groaned upon the tree?
    Amazing pity, grace unknown
    And love beyond degree
    My God, why would You shed Your blood
    So pure and undefiled
    To make a sinful one like me
    Your chosen, precious child?
    Well might the sun in darkness hide
    And shut His glories in
    When Christ, the mighty Maker, died
    For man, the creature’s, sin
    Thus might I hide my blushing face
    While His dear cross appears
    Dissolve my heart in thankfulness
    And melt my eyes to tears
    My God, why would You shed Your blood
    So pure and undefiled
    To make a sinful one like me
    Your chosen, precious child?

  388. foreverblessed says:

    That was a beautiful song, precious Savior, about Whom we sing.

    I really pray that God will show you a way,
    It is good to share.
    I was reading about John 6, I don’t renner how I got there, because you mentioned it last week?
    It is about Jesus having fed the 5000, and then they get too excited about Jesus, and want to make Him king by force. So this is what Jesus does: He sends the crowd away, and constraints His disciples to go in a boat. Probably because even the disciples get too excited, He wants them to cool down.
    And Jesus Himself is alone, withdraws Himself into the hills, yo pray.
    Luke 6:48 says, Jesus saw the disciples “going against the oars”.

    Jesus is on the hills, and looks down, and sees the disciples struggling. While He is praying.
    What a wonderful picture!

    That is how Jesus is, He is the same today as He was then.
    He sees our struggles.

    “The One Who sees us”

  389. Beloved says:

    Such a good thought forever that Jesus always sees us.

    mark 6: 34 When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things.

    (Your reference comes from Mark 6:48)

    Yes it takes the patience of God while we learn what He is teaching. Further down in Mark6 it says they did not understand Jesus because of the hardness of their hearts. ! I believe it was because the Holy Spirit had not been sent yet. Street mentioned this a couple days ago when he gave thanks for Pentecost.

    I think of the scripture “ever learning but unable to come to the truth”. Hard hearts? That is what Jesus said.

  390. Beloved says:

    Christ IN you, the hope of glory!

    I will take out that stony heart and give you a heart of flesh! Is Jesus that flesh the prophet was talking about? A soft, compassionate, enemy loving heart, like Jesus? Hmmm

  391. Beloved says:

    Mark6:46 And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray. 47 And when evening came, the boat was out on the sea, and he was alone on the land. 48 And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night7 he came to them, walking on the sea.

    He meant to pass by them, (!!!)

    49 but when they saw him walking on the sea they thought it was a ghost, and cried out, (!!!)

    50 for they all saw him and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.” 51 And he got into the boat with them, and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded, 52 for fthey did not understand about the loaves,

    but their hearts were hardened.

    Crying out to God is so good.

  392. Beloved says:

    About “ever learning but unable to come to a knowledge of the truth”

    Piper says:
    What God Grants
    The last thing I would say is that, just a few verses earlier, Paul had given the divine solution to the problem of not coming to a knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 2:25). Here’s what he says: “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

    That’s the very same phrase. In other words, ultimately arriving at a knowledge of the truth is a gift of God. “God may perhaps grant them . . . knowledge of the truth.” The bondage of our desires, the bondage of Satan, the blindness of our hearts is hopeless — a hopeless condition — without divine intervention. So, the remedy is to pray for God’s mighty grace to break in and give us the victory over bondage to sinful passions, so that we arrive at a saving knowledge of the truth.

  393. foreverblessed says:

    “So, the remedy is to pray for God’s mighty grace to break in and give us the victory over bondage to sinful passions, so that we arrive at a saving knowledge of the truth.”

    Intercessory prayer!!!
    No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him.

    I believe that when we pray for others to have their hearts opened for Jesus, that That is the prayer God hears, it is according to His will.
    But…I have to have faith, without faith it is impossible to ease Him.

    And in the mean time, I have my eyes on Jesus, a personal relation with Him, that changes my heart.
    So that my witness is the fact that my life is showing Jesus!
    If so be with words.

  394. foreverblessed says:

    “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. ”

    Hebrews 11:6
    Please…not ease. ;-)

  395. poohpity says:

    God teaches us in the bible we are saved for purpose to serve the living. “For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.” We are to work out the reason we have been saved in other words to work out our salvation. God has equipped us for every good work.

    Our Daily Bread devotion today is about “Sharing Jesus”

    “After washing their feet, he put on his robe again and sat down and asked, “Do you understand what I was doing? You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because that’s what I am. And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other’s feet. I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you.”

    “I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.””

  396. Beloved says:

    And in the mean time, I have my eyes on Jesus, a personal relation with Him, that changes my heart.
    So that my witness is the fact that my life is showing Jesus!
    If so be with words.

    Blessed are the pure in heart! For they shall see God.

    If you see Me you have seen the Father, Jesus said. I and my Father are one.

    I can just gaze on Jesus all day Forever.

    Behold Our God
    Song by Sovereign Grace Music

    Who has held the oceans in his hands?
    Who has numbered every grain of sand?
    Kings and nations tremble at his voice
    All creation rises to rejoice
    Behold our God, seated on his throne
    Come, let us adore him

    Behold our king, nothing can compare
    Come, let us adore him

    Who has given counsel to the Lord?
    Who can question any of his words?
    Who can teach, the one who knows all things?
    Who can fathom all his wondrous deeds?

    Behold our God, seated on his throne
    Come, let us adore him
    Behold our king, nothing can compare
    Come, let us adore him

    Who has felt the nails upon his hands?
    Bearing all the guilt of sinful man
    God eternal, humbled to the grave
    Jesus, Savior, risen now to reign

    Behold our God, seated on his throne
    Come, let us adore him
    Behold our king, nothing can compare
    Come, let us adore him

  397. street says:

    been thinking ….how many inch’s of rain is steve going to get today?

  398. street says:

    it will rain most of the day here, but south eastern ohio is suppose to get 4 inches. WV i suspect will get at least that.

  399. SFDBWV says:

    Street they are calling for 3 to 6 inches with localized 8 inches possible here.

    nothing we can do but pray.


  400. foreverblessed says:

    May Jesus have His eyes on you and your town, Steve.
    Like He did of old, in John 5, Luke 6:48

    Matthew 25:46, Steve, read the commentary on biblehub, from Ellicott, and the Pulpit commentary.
    I was just awed.
    Eternal is aionas, it is a word which does not imply infinity. Long duration.
    For the eternal life, it is very likely that that will not end,
    But for the other, the punishment, which comes from a Greek word which means “correction” there is a possibility that God’s mercy has a depth that we cannot fathom.

    “But I set no bounds to the Divine mercy and wisdom; and God may see a mode of reconciling his strict justice with his desire of man’s salvation, which our finite understanding cannot grasp. All we can say here is that infinite misery and infinite happiness are set before us, and that God has thus shown the two ends without reserve or possible modification, in order that we may be aroused to shun the one and to win the other. “From thy wrath, and from ever lasting damnation, good Lord, deliver us.”
    Pulpit commentary

  401. Beloved says:

    From Psalm23

    I Shall Not Want
    Song by Audrey Assad

    From the love of my own comfort
    From the fear of having nothing
    From a life of worldly passions
    Deliver me O God
    From the need to be understood
    And from a need to be accepted
    From the fear of being lonely
    Deliver me O God
    Deliver me O God
    And I shall not want, no, I shall not want
    When I taste Your goodness, I shall not want
    When I taste Your goodness, I shall not want
    From the fear of serving others
    Oh, and from the fear of death or trial
    And from the fear of humility
    Deliver me O God
    Yes, deliver me O God
    And I shall not want, no, I shall not want
    When I taste Your goodness I shall not want
    No, I shall not want, no, I shall not want
    When I taste Your goodness I shall not want
    When I taste Your goodness I shall not want
    I shall not want
    I shall not want

    I love this song-psalm interpretation.
    Deliver me, oh God.

  402. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the hurricane as my brother and family live down there. Heard from a niece that she’s ok but looking for gas for generator on FB. Haven’t heard from my brother yet but probably stuck at home like most there. Praying for Ohio and W Virginia they survive the rains.

  403. SFDBWV says:

    So far so good, overnight rains did not amount to any problem. Rain to continue all day today, but we are counting on the Lord to protect and watch over us.


  404. poohpity says:

    Revelation 20:11-15 NLT
    And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

  405. poohpity says:

    forever, I believe the above passage speaks about those who died not having accepted Christ as their Savior which means their names were not written in the Book of Life but God seems to consider their deeds before the second death. Love wins!

  406. foreverblessed says:

    If, after having been in that lake of fire, for ages and ages, aionas in Greek, and people would call on the name of the Lord: “Jesus, please save me!!!”

    would any one of you say to God:
    You cannot save them, You said they would be in the lake of fire for aionas ton ainoas (forever in English).
    You don’t have to answer that, you can just think about it.

  407. SFDBWV says:

    When I first became “Born again” I would spend every opportunity I had reading my new “Living Bible”. Attending adult Sunday School and Church I encountered teachers that had a very different view of what the Bible had clearly spoke to me.

    When this would occur I would get up early in the morning put on a pot of coffee and scour the Bible looking to support my view.

    I would write down on a writing tablet every verse and what each said. Over time I found myself having several pages of Scripture copied and at some point in the search received the peace that it no longer matter what someone else thought I had received the support and evidence of the Word to know I was right about what I thought. Or at least at peace about what I thought.

    Trying to convince another was no longer necessary for me. The Holy Spirit had convinced me and that was all I needed.

    Also on each occasion I received confirmation from another source or another person to further support my “peace”. Not my being more right, but at peace about it.

    Peace between me and God of the matter.


  408. poohpity says:

    For me I stay pliable and ready to learn because it seems the Lord opens my eyes and ears to different aspects of different things when I am ready to receive them but God knows I am sincerely seeking and searching for His truth everyday and knows my heart very well, better than I do most the time, whether it is for His glory or my own.

  409. Beloved says:

    What Grace Is Mine
    By Keith and Kristin Getty

    What grace is mine that He who dwells in endless light
    Called through the night to find my distant soul
    And from His scars poured mercy that would plead for me
    That I might live and in His name be known

    So I will go wherever He is calling me
    I lose my life to find my life in Him
    I give my all to gain the hope that never dies
    I bow my heart take up my cross and follow Him

    What grace is mine to know His breath alive in me
    Beneath His wings my wakened soul may soar
    All fear can flee for death’s dark night is overcome
    My Savior lives and reigns for evermore

    So I will go wherever He is calling me
    I lose my life to find my life in Him
    I give my all to gain the hope that never dies
    I bow my my heart take up my cross and follow Him
    I bow my heart take up my cross and follow Him

  410. foreverblessed says:

    That is a beautiful song!
    “I bow my heart, take up my cross and follow Him”

    Next week the Getty’s have the Sing conference.
    Thanks to Covid now these conferences are online! And I am able to attend, via internet. I really love that by effect of this pandemic.

    Thanks Steve, each and everyone of us stands before God.

    “See now, I am He!
    There is no god besides Me.
    I put to death and I bring to life,
    I have wounded and I will heal,
    and no one van deliver from My hand”

    From the song of Moses
    Deut 32:39
    But the most important verse in that song is verse 43
    Where the prophecy of Jesus’ Cross, and His Atonement is given.
    Deut 32:43

  411. foreverblessed says:

    Nature and water,
    The scripture reference was Mark 6:48
    Jesus looked down from the hills, and saw the disciples struggling with the storm, on the water.

    A beautiful picture of Who Jesus is.
    He does not prevent the disciples from “straining at the oars”, He has His eyes on them, closely.

    After that, He walks on water, to come to them.
    John 6:16-21 John gives a description of that event, he says: by now, it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them.
    This tells of the nervousness the disciples must have felt, being left alone, Jesus not coming down from the hills, but staying there.
    They are on the boat, rowing three or three and a half mile, in rough water with a strong wind blowing.
    And then comes Jesus, walking on water.
    🌊 💦
    That was not the way they had expected to be helped!

    “Don’t be afraid, it is I”
    The soothing voice of Jesus

  412. foreverblessed says:

    Then I am back to the topic:
    Then the Jews demanded of Him: “What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”
    Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days”

    But the temple He had spoken of, was His Body.
    After He was raised from the dead, His disciples recalled what He had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
    John 2:18-22

    These things were way over the head of the disciples, but the greatest miracles, was the Body and Blood of Christ.
    All the miracles point to the greatest miracle:
    The Temple ( the body of Christ) destroyed and rebuild be again in three days.

    Through the death of Jesus, and Resurrection, all sons and daughters can be born from above.
    One grain dies (Jesus), and many new are formed.
    1 Cor 15:35-58

  413. SFDBWV says:

    A brief update to our “storm” yesterday and the night before. Thankfully the predictions never came to fruition and we were spared any flooding issues of any kind. The storm total for rain only amounted to 3.13 inches of rain and that was over a two day total.

    I take my daily measurements at 7am. Yesterday’s total from 7am through this mornings were only 2.21 inches. It quit raining about 4:30 pm. We had heavy fog overnight.

    It is 46 degrees f as I write with still dense fog.

    Like I told the emergency people last evening, it looked as if prayers were answered.


  414. Beloved says:

    Reading in Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortland I came upon this startling statement about mercy:
    God is not tight-fisted with mercy but openhanded, not frugal but lavish, not poor but rich. Being rich in mercy means the things about you that make you cringe most, make Him hug hardest. His mercy is not calculating and cautious, like ours, but unrestrained, flood-like, sweeping, magnanimous.
    Seeing news pictures of the flood waters from now on I will remember Gods mercy. Filling every crack and crevice of my heart ❤️ and yours.

  415. foreverblessed says:

    How great Gods mercy!
    To realize it for myself, but it is for everyone.

    In the topic, Mart talks about the temple, the body of Christ, Jesus compared it to the great temple in Jerusalem, it was a huge building. But the people had used it for their own gain.
    The Utmost of today talks about blessings we receive that we pour out to God. In some way, this is related to this topic of Mart.
    Pouring out to God, not using it for my own gain.

    As David poured out the water taken from the enemy, he did not drink it, but poured it out to the Lord. 2 Sam 23:16

    It is a matter of a decision that I make, when I am greatly blessed, like great peace of mind, I give it to God, in my mind.
    And I honor God, worship Him, in prayer.

  416. poohpity says:

    forever, Are you sure Utmost says, “The Utmost of today talks about blessings we receive that we pour out to God.”? Isn’t it rather the blessings we receive from God we pour out to others?(John 13:34)

    Mart, when I heard this song I thought of you and others who have lost loved ones.

    “The Only Scars in Heaven” by Casting Crowns

    If I had only known the last time would be the last time
    I would’ve put off all the things I had to do
    I would’ve stayed a little longer, held on a little tighter
    Now what I’d give for one more day with you
    ‘Cause there’s a wound here in my heart where something’s missing
    And they tell me that it’s gonna heal with time
    But I know you’re in a place where all your wounds have been erased
    And knowing yours are healed is healing mine

    … The only scars in heaven, they won’t belong to me and you
    There’ll be no such thing as broken, and all the old will be made new
    And the thought that makes me smile now, even as the tears fall down
    Is that the only scars in heaven are on the hands that hold you now

    … I know the road you walked was anything but easy
    You picked up your share of scars along the way
    Oh, but now you’re standing in the sun, you’ve fought your fight and your race is run
    The pain is all a million miles away

    … The only scars in heaven, they won’t belong to me and you
    There’ll be no such thing as broken, and all the old will be made new
    And the thought that makes me smile now, even as the tears fall down
    Is that the only scars in heaven, yeah, are on the hands that hold you now

    … Hallelujah, hallelujah
    Hallelujah, for the hands that hold you now

    … There’s not a day goes by that I don’t see you
    You live on in all the better parts of me
    Until I’m standing with you in the sun, I’ll fight this fight and this race I’ll run
    Until I finally see what you can see, oh-oh

    … The only scars in heaven, they won’t belong to me and you
    There’ll be no such thing as broken, and all the old will be made new
    And the thought that makes me smile now, even as the tears fall down
    Is that the only scars in heaven are on the hands that hold you now

  417. poohpity says:

    bubbles, that song is for you too!!

  418. poohpity says:

    Now the temple of God is us. 1 Cor 3:16

  419. street says:

    Sometimes I go to websites to review what I read and notice what I read has been updated. I would have to go to a link for the previous day. Sometimes the next day is posted early. It always the details that get us in trouble. May we pay closer attention to the Son.

  420. Beloved says:

    Steve, I read this today, did you know this? I didn’t.

    Did you know that “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” was written, not about the mythical Land of Oz but it was about Israel, the homeland of the Jewish people.

    The lyrics were written by Yip Harburg, the youngest of four children born to Russian-Jewish immigrants. His real name was Isidore Hochberg, and he grew up in a Yiddish-speaking, Orthodox Jewish home in New York.

    The song’s music was written by Harold Arlen, also a cantor’s son. His real name was Hyman Arluck, and his parents were from Lithuania.

    Together, Hochberg and Arluck wrote “Somewhere Over the Rainbow,” which was voted the 20th century’s No. 1 song by the Recording Industry Association of America and the National Endowment for the Arts.

    In writing it, the two men reached deep into their immigrant Jewish consciousness — framed by the pogroms of the past and the Holocaust about to happen — and wrote an unforgettable melody set to near prophetic words.

    “And the dreams that you dare to dream / Really do come true.”

    As we approach International HolocaustRemembranceDay and we declare WeRemember let us honor those that dreamed of “the land that they heard once in a lullaby,” those that never saw the Promised Land and those who rose from the ashes to make the dream a reality.

  421. Beloved says:

    I think it shows the resilience of Israel yet still waiting to “see” their messiah. It gives me a whole new way of thinking about the song- the movie, which always made me sad that the guy behind the curtain was such a dope. But we know the Truth, Jesus, so are not disappointed!

  422. SFDBWV says:

    No Joyce I don’t think I knew the story you have shared about the song or the movie.

    Over life I have observed how the Jewish people are blessed with a great many talents.

    Many song writers, playwriters, entertainers as well as professional people tend to be Jewish.

    I really don’t know why the Jewish people have been hated everywhere they lived outside of their homeland. Jealousy perhaps.

    What I do know is that because of the holocaust England gave the land of Israel back to the Jew as their own homeland and once again they had to defeat an enemy that remains an enemy to them until this day in order to have it.

    I am a friend to Israel. And though their leadership rejected their Messiah two thousand years ago, their Messiah has not forgotten them. And is not yet finished with them.

    May you be blessed today Joyce, thank you for the story and information.


  423. SFDBWV says:

    Once again I would like to recommend Loreena McKennitt Dante’s Prayer with lyrics on YouTube.

    Aside from being beautiful music the accompanying video is also a perfect match for the song.

    The one with lyrics is the one to watch.

    Though 38 degrees yesterday morning it has warmed up to a 48 degree morning today.

    Fall is coming.


  424. poohpity says:

    If anyone would like to hear the prophesy of Israel’s people being scattered across the nations to be eventually returned to the land that was given to them by God one could start in Isaiah 11-14 but there are many more places in the bible to gain an understanding. Being Jewish myself I have always found it interesting.

  425. Beloved says:

    When I was little I was told that people hate the Jews because they killed Jesus. My grandmother was hated by her mother-in-law because she thought she was Jewish and looks very Jewish in her pics. She may have hid her ancestry because of the hatred- marrying a Swede/Norwegian.

  426. Beloved says:

    I think it was maybe Hitler that perpetuated that and used it for his cleansing of the races scheme.

  427. Beloved says:

    Steve I listened to Dante’s prayer, it is beautiful and beautifully sung by Celts like Enya also whom I like listening to.

    The hope of Israel and the Gentiles written long ago-
    Isaiah 44: The LORD Redeems Israel
    21Remember these things, O Jacob,
    and Israel, for you are my servant;
    I formed you; you are my servant;
    O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.
    22I have blotted out your transgressions like a cloud
    and your sins like mist;
    return to me, for I have redeemed you.

    23Sing, O heavens, for the LORD has done it;
    shout, O depths of the earth;
    break forth into singing, O mountains,
    O forest, and every tree in it!
    For the LORD has redeemed Jacob,
    and will be glorified in Israel.

  428. poohpity says:

    This should wake us up.

    One day, a man went to visit a church, He got there early, parked his car and got out. Another car pulled up
    near the driver got out and said, “I always park there!
    You took my place!”

    The visitor went inside for Sunday School, found an empty seat and sat down. A young lady from the church approached him and stated, “That’s my seat! You took my place!” The visitor was somewhat distressed by this rude
    welcome, but said nothing.

    After Sunday School, the visitor went into the sanctuary and sat down. Another member walked up to him and said, “That’s where I always sit! You took my place!” The visitor was even more troubled by this treatment, but still he said nothing.

    Later as the congregation was praying
    for Christ to dwell among them, the visitor stood up, and his appearance began to change. Horrible scars became visible on his hands and his sandaled feet.

    Someone from the congregation noticed him
    and called out, “What happened to you?” The visitor replied, as his hat became a crown of thorns, and a tear fell from his eye, “I took your place.”

    When you read this, say a prayer,
    maybe just maybe, we can get the world to start thinking of who took our place.

  429. Beloved says:

    2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

  430. Beloved says:

    Yet Not I but Through Christ in Me
    Song by CityAlight

    What gift of grace is Jesus my redeemer
    There is no more for heaven now to give
    He is my joy, my righteousness, and freedom
    My steadfast love, my deep and boundless peace
    To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus
    For my life is wholly bound to His
    Oh how strange and divine, I can sing, “All is mine”
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    The night is dark but I am not forsaken
    For by my side, the Saviour He will stay
    I labour on in weakness and rejoicing
    For in my need, His power is displayed
    To this I hold, my Shepherd will defend me
    Through the deepest valley He will lead
    Oh the night has been won, and I shall overcome
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    No fate I dread, I know I am forgiven
    The future sure, the price it has been paid
    For Jesus bled and suffered for my pardon
    And He was raised to overthrow the grave
    To this I hold, my sin has been defeated
    Jesus now and ever is my plea
    Oh the chains are released, I can sing, “I am free”
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    With every breath I long to follow Jesus
    For He has said that He will bring me home
    And day by day I know He will renew me
    Until I stand with joy before the throne
    To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus
    All the glory evermore to Him
    When the race is complete, still my lips shall repeat
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus
    All the glory evermore to Him
    When the race is complete, still my lips shall repeat
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    When the race is complete, still my lips shall repeat
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me
    Yet not I, but through Christ in me

  431. Beloved says:

    John 13
    New International Version
    Jesus Washes His Disciples’ Feet

    John 13 It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

    2 The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.

    3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;

    4 so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

    Lesson in humility. I need more humility. Lots more…

  432. Beloved says:

    Forever thank you for praying. In a dream God showed me how I could return to the Baptist church tomorrow. Praying God will humble me. Out of his grace and mercy.

  433. Beloved says:

    My strength is made perfect in weakness….

    Am I the only one who hates being weak?

  434. street says:

    Hates being weak? You mean humble? Yes remembering the verse how long Lord. The answer is quite surprising. When the cities, works of man, are made rubble. Think same for us as mendicant’s. Asking for mercy too.

  435. Beloved says:

    Yes, being humbled is so painful like every thing I could count on is crumbling like sand. Yes mercy please. Thanks for the encouragement with Truth. Listening to a few A Begg sermons and his jokes crack me up or I would be so depressed.

  436. Beloved says:

    Thinking about Dante, I’d never really looked at him before but this is why he’s so depressing to me. Sorry Steve I know you like his poems.

    Inferno opens on the evening of Good Friday in the year 1300. Traveling through a dark wood, Dante Alighieri has lost his path and now wanders fearfully through the forest. … Virgil says that their path will take them through Hell and that they will eventually reach Heaven, where Dante’s beloved Beatrice awaits.
    /www.sparknotes.com › inferno

    Steve did you see What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams? Beautiful film similar to the Inferno; beautiful to look at but no Christ. He makes all the difference, doesn’t He 😊

  437. foreverblessed says:

    The rivers of living water ..
    Wit a beautiful picture of a river flowing.
    On Utmost today.
    It was a great inspiration to me.
    The picture is so good, I tried to paint it, but the rushing water 🌊💦 is difficult to paint, it look like snow on my painting.

    “If you believe in Jesus, you will find that God has developed and nourished in you mighty, rushing rivers of blessing for others” citing Chambers.

    God blesses us, and we pass the blessing on to others, unconsciously. God is doing it, it is His work

  438. foreverblessed says:

    The Utmost of Sept 3, that I mentioned that day:

    He would not drink it, but poured it out to the Lord.
    —2 Samuel 23:16

    Talking about David, when he lived in the caves of Abdullam,

    This bible verse has always been a mystery to me.
    Why the waste?
    Chambers explains that certain blessings, so precious, we pour out to God, we present it back to Him. And then God gives it to others.

    In my own life, I believe I know what it means! Sometimes, I say sometimes, there is a great blessing coming over me, usually at night, great great peace, and it overwhelms me. At that moment I worship God, and I give the blessing back to Him.
    When I was younger I did not do that, and kept it inside myself. But for some reason I found out that it is better to present everything back to God.
    It is a decision of the mind!
    “God, here it is, Your great Blessing”

    And so to speak, you pour the blessed water on the altar, just as David did.

    So in this case, the blessing comes from God, we give it back to God, and He gives it to those He wants to give it.

  439. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, may God continue to guise you on your search for a spiritual family.
    As you keep your eyes on Jesus

    “I am the way, and the truth and the life”.
    John 14:6

  440. foreverblessed says:

    To guide you.
    May Jesus be the Light and the Way in our lives.

    And about hell, I don’t think that it is profitable for me to have a look there, neither in the form of a poem.
    I thought only special angels could go in there, and it is not for us.
    But that is my own view. It is much too depressing to think about. Like “the screwtape letters” from CS Lewis, I found them too depressing too.

    I compare it with my relation with my husband, I just cherish it to be with him, I don not have to think about how it is without him, to be more activated to cherish the relation.

    Let’s end positive:
    Pictures of heaven!
    Meditating on Who Jesus is, and what Je has all done, in the Gospels, in our lives.

  441. plumbape says:

    Well it is with a heavy heart to say my wife Sharon after 8 yrs. from a stroke lived here with us Alicia our daughter lives here and works at home and a nurses aid tried to help her from choking but she choked to death in front of us…. I know she is still with us and can here me! the ape in Indy Mike, Sharon and Alicia plus twins with there family and 3 grand ones is Mike and Alicia now… Say a little prayer for us.
    Love you all!
    plumb crazy Mike lol

  442. SFDBWV says:

    I just want to clear my intentions up to any of you that may have misunderstood.

    What I wanted to share with you is the “song” “Dante’s Prayer” as sung by Loreena McKennitt. As there are several renditions of this song, the one I had hoped for you to see is the one sung with lyrics that show a very beautiful video of scenery and what is a transition of a dark and difficult journey followed by asking you to place all your suffering and woes on Christ showing Him on the cross.

    Beautiful music and a beautiful video…That’s it that’s all.

    A very odd morning in that when I got up at 3 am this morning the fog was so dense that I couldn’t see across the street, but when I went outside a few minutes ago the fog had lifted and the sky filled with stars.

    It made me wonder what revelation may be in store for me today.


  443. SFDBWV says:

    Very sad to hear of your tragic loss Mike. Prayers for you and family.


  444. poohpity says:

    Ape, so sad to hear of the loss of your dearly beloved wife. May God’s comfort and peace surround you and your family at this.

    forever, 2 Samuel 23:15-17 NLT shows it was an offering to the Lord because of David’s brave men risked their lives to get it for him which was an extreme gift. His men showed such great loyalty to David they were even willing to lay down their lives for him.

    ” David remarked longingly to his men, “Oh, how I would love some of that good water from the well by the gate in Bethlehem.” 16 So the Three broke through the Philistine lines, drew some water from the well by the gate in Bethlehem, and brought it back to David. But he refused to drink it. Instead, he poured it out as an offering to the Lord. 17 “The Lord forbid that I should drink this!” he exclaimed. “This water is as precious as the blood of these men* who risked their lives to bring it to me.” So David did not drink it. These are examples of the exploits of the Three.” So it seems David poured out the offering on behalf of his men risking their lives for him.

    Acts 17: “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

  445. poohpity says:

    It would seem that whenever we give it is a thanks offering for what has been given to us hence why tithing is so important because we are grateful to the source of all that we have and puts God first above all else.

  446. poohpity says:

    Not because God needs anything but because we know the source and it proves that we recognize that.

  447. bullwinkle11 says:

    So sorry to hear of the loss of your wife. Will be praying for you and your family as you move forward in God’s love.
    Look forward to that day when you will be reunited for eternity.

  448. Beloved says:

    My condolences also Mike. May Gods peace surround you and your family.

  449. Beloved says:

    Forever I was curious so found this about why David poured the water out in Expositors:

    , David gave expression to a wish – “Oh that someone would give me water to drink of the well of Bethlehem which is before the gate!” It was probably meant for little more than the expression of an earnest wish that the enemy were dislodged from their position – that there were no obstruction between him and the well, that access to it were as free as in the days of his youth. But the three mighty men took him at his word, and breaking through the host of the Philistines, brought the water to David. It was a singular proof of his great personal influence; he was so loved and honoured that to gratify his wish these three men took their lives in their hands to obtain the water. Water got at such a cost was sacred in his eyes; it was a thing too holy for man to turn to his use, so he poured it out before the Lord.

  450. bubbles says:

    I’m very sorry for your loss, Mike.

  451. Beloved says:

    Dear Street,
    As a church leader how do you feel when a member doesn’t like you for one reason or another?

  452. bubbles says:

    My dad died in January. My dad’s wife died in August. My best friend died 2 weeks ago, and today my cat was killed. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I have asked God to show me. I can’t take any more in my life. I called my aunt crying and was told, “others have it a lot worse than you do.” Christians can be so cruel and uncaring. The only thing I have left is my house. Maybe it can burn down tomorrow, or the cancer can come back. Knowing me, that is what will happen. Maybe my car will get totaled tomorrow. I tried to take off work and of course the sub can’t work. This cat was my baby

  453. street says:

    i am a member. turn your eyes to Jesus look full into His wonderful face and the things of earth wiill slowly fade away in His Glory and Grace. you can do all things through Christ, Who is your strength. been thinking about how not to pay back offense for offense? what would be a better course forward? these are the questions to bring to Him in reading and praying. for me it is to keep watch with Him. oswald mentioned that recently .

  454. street says:

    been using capitals and spelling might be better too. using iPad. laptop is in the shop again. much to pray for every day.

  455. Beloved says:

    No matter what happens the Joy of the LORD is my strength. I may feel depressed despondent even yet I know my redeemer lives! As I pick at my wounds all alone. Like Job.

    Keeping watch for him- good advice.

  456. bubbles says:

    I know what I have done wrong. I asked for God to spare my life when I had cancer. I chose chemo. I should have never asked for God to spare my life. He gave me what I asked for and my life has been nothing but a nightmare since then. It’s just like when Israel asked for a king, and God gave them Saul. I should not have asked for God to help me, and never again will I ask for that.

  457. Beloved says:

    Street you said you attended a conference of church leaders recently. Are you then in IT or ?

  458. Beloved says:

    Bubbles how are things with all the mess as you called it? Is it too painful or?

  459. bubbles says:

    Refer to my latest posts. How are things? Read the posts. I just explained. Your question is not clear. I. Am. Tired.

  460. bubbles says:

    I am sick of people telling me God has a plan. Really? What is it??? Suffering, pain and loss non stop for the past 4 years. Things have gotten increasingly worse and it has accelerated to the point I can’t stand it any more. At the rate things are going, my house should burn down by the end of next week. I am sick of hearing the God has a plan answer. I am also sick of people saying others have it much worse. It’s cruel and I am sick of people trying to shame me for feeling grief of loss. Jesus never once told those suffering that others had it worse than they did. I am sick of people telling me how I am supposed to feel. People are just parroting what they have heard others say. A lot of Christians have caused so much pain by thinking they say the right things.

  461. bubbles says:

    I prayed and asked for God to protect him, and he got killed. I prayed for my cancer to not have spread, and it did. Even the surgeon was surprised it had spread because no one saw it. I had people pray and it was worse. I pray and the exact opposite happens. I don’t understand God. If I prayed for Him to avenge an enemy, at this point He would bless them abundantly. The only thing I can think is I asked Him to spare my life and it has been nothing but suffering since then. I wish I had never asked Him for that. I asked if it was His will to spare my life. I was not angry at God until today when He let my little cat get killed. He didn’t need to take him away from me in such a horrible way. This little cat spread love everywhere. He loved everyone in the neighborhood. He never hurt anyone. This is the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s no wonder people leave the church with the cruelty of everything and how Christians act towards each other. Christians can be the most cold hearted people with their canned sayings and metaphors.

  462. foreverblessed says:

    O dear, dear Lord have mercy!
    What a tragic way to die! May God comfort you in your loss Mike, and your family.

    And may God stand by Bubbles. Lord have mercy!
    Two weeks ago her best friend died.
    It was Rocky that died!
    Are the two connected?

  463. SFDBWV says:

    Prayers for Bubbles…


  464. foreverblessed says:

    Yes!!! Sincere prayer !
    Let’s join, make a circle around Bubbles, together, in the spiritual realm, raise our hands in prayer to God!

    Lord, have Mercy on Bubbles


  465. SFDBWV says:

    Life is a dark and scary place without the light of hope.

    Whereas it is written that it is God who draws us to Him; what is it that we feel we need from Him?

    Most likely, safety from the storms of life, protected from the evils of this world. A friend who can not only comfort and help. But one who is able to lift us above this world and make things better.

    What happens when we don’t seem to receive our expectations of the God we have imagined?

    “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”

    Jesus’ very words as written while he hung there in extreme pain and agony, rejected by the very people He came to “bless”.

    Whereas some are accused of being unbelievers, the truth is they believe, they just don’t know God.

    Many believers don’t know Him either.

    What I do know is that without Him there is no hope. Only a life of disappointment, pain and unhappiness followed by death.

    It is not written anywhere that “faith” and “trust” are easy. Which I suppose is why He asks it of us in the midst of our heartache.

    I cannot give another my faith, but what I can give them is my testimony that The Lord has been with me all my life and as I look back His hands upon my circumstances always. He has taken good care of me. Especially through those tough times when perhaps I felt “abandoned”, and alone against the world.

    I pray God bless all of you today.


  466. poohpity says:

    The loss of a pet is just as horrible as the loss of a person. bubbles sad and grieved to hear of the loss of your cat. You must feel overwhelmed but this is not the time to turn away from God but the very best time to turn towards Him for comfort and peace in these horrible, messy times.

    Bubbles do you still have cancer? I thought that was taken care of but I can see by what you said you still are struggling with it. Lord please take the cancer away and for bubbles not to depend on Christian’s to be perfect often we only have to look in the mirror to find there is no such thing as perfection in this life except for Jesus so that is who we turn to because He is completely aware of the suffering we go through and knows our pain/grief and we can find rest in Him.

    It was never God’s plan that any should suffer but find hope in Him to overcome life’s many difficulties and He warned us in advance that we would go through suffering, loss, trials, sorrows and the storms that come with this life in the flesh but promised us that He would be with us through those things. Sometimes He takes things away but more often than not He proves He is with us through them.

  467. poohpity says:

    As Job said to his wife, “Then Job’s wife said to him, “Do you still retain your integrity? Curse God and die!” 10“You speak as a foolish woman speaks,” he told her. “Should we accept from God only good and not adversity?” In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.”

    James 5:11

    Christians often make feeble attempts to comfort but their hearts are often in the right place that is why we do not rely on them but on the Compassion and Love of God instead.

  468. poohpity says:

    bubbles, I think it is wonderful that you prayed for your cat before he goes outside to be safe. Not many do that or even think of it. That shows your heart is focused on God.

  469. Beloved says:

    Bubbles I get your anger, this too shall pass.

    May the LORD bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you and give you peace. Amen

  470. Beloved says:

    May He be gracious to you, bubbles and Mike and family.

  471. Beloved says:

    People may disappoint but God NEVER disappoints. He is good- ALL THE TIME!

  472. Beloved says:

    In Christ alone my hope is found,
    He is my light, my strength, my song;
    This Cornerstone, this solid Ground,
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
    What heights of love, what depths of peace,
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
    My Comforter, my All in All,
    Here in the love of Christ I stand.

  473. Beloved says:

    Keeping watch for him- good advice.

    Should read keeping watch WITH Him.

  474. street says:

    I was thinking watching with Him.

  475. street says:

    If you remain in Me, and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

  476. street says:

    Thinking of Paul’s prayer. I believe it is in Ephesians

  477. Beloved says:

    Asking of God

    Long ago when I was a newer Christian I asked God to remove my physical thorn as I worked with the public and was so self conscious with the staring. I asked in complete trust and the next day nothing changed except He said to me this,
    What would you say to people if I removed it? I was startled. What would I say? All kinds of thoughts ran through my mind. If I said God did it I could be further ridiculed. Surely He didn’t want that????
    Lots of lessons here but God knows our hearts and thoughts so I’ve become more careful with what I ask for and more careful to seek Him and accept whatever comes my way. Knowing it’s not all about what God can do for me, but what He has done for us all out of His mercy and grace, which is completely undeserving.

  478. bubbles says:

    The cancer treatment never ends. Pooh, you obviously have no idea what it’s like to have cancer. You just don’t finish audits behind you. It never goes away.

    Yes, so I prayed for my cat, and look what happened. There is a mangy cat here that does nothing but fight. Mine was loving towards everyone and everyone loved him. Look where praying for him got him. He got killed violently and nothing happened to the dog. I have prayed for people to get better, and they died. I prayed constantly for Rocky to be healed and he died suddenly. I had no idea he was going to die. I prayed for another relative in the hospital for God to protect them, and they fell, broke a hip and dislocated both. What good came from that suffering? He laid there four days before they did surgery. It was horrible suffering. WHY????? I prayed and it always ends more awful than I can imagine. I am angry and I am disappointed with God. I prayed for His will to be done, and every time, it’s horrible, sick, and ends horribly wrong. I am afraid to pray for anyone because if I do, something horrible will happen. I am just so sick of everything and I am sick of life being one horrible disappointment after another. Every day since 2017 has been horrible. Every day feels a month long. My hope is gone.

  479. Beloved says:

    Praying for bubbles.

  480. bubbles says:

    It surely doesn’t feel like God has been with me at all. In fact, it feels like He has turned his back on me and on purpose does way worse than I can ever imagine. I am tired of constant bad things happening. I am afraid to go out of the house because my car will get totaled or the house will burn down. I have nothing left. Every time I hope things will get better, they get increasingly worse in a rapid fashion. In one month, 4 people I know have died, and then my poor cat was violently killed. I cannot take one more thing. I read the Bible every morning and prayed and look at the hurt that has been caused. I tried to respond the right way and things kept getting worse and worse and I am the one who kept getting hurt. I am sick of being hurt.

  481. foreverblessed says:

    What an ordeal to go through.
    We stand around you, praying, Bubbles.
    As we stand around Matt here.

    What else can I say, but this:
    Lord, have Mercy!

  482. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, how is your brothers family doing? They were quarantined, end of July. Are they doing fine?

  483. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus said:
    “I prayed for you, (you in plural), that you do not lose your faith.”
    Luke 22:31

    And the question that was raised by Jesus, that Utmost talked about last Friday:
    “Stay here, and keep watch with Me”
    Matthew 26:38
    Meditating on that, but sure have a prayer-watch now.
    And it is to be with Jesus.

  484. SFDBWV says:

    Life is a battlefield, anyone who doesn’t recognize that needs to know that this is warfare and nothing less than your soul in the balance.

    On the field of battle the ally on your right and left looks out for you and you for them. It is a brotherhood like no other.

    As the end of the fight nears the battle intensifies as the losing side puts all they have into turning the battle in their favor.

    The closer you get to God the more intense the battle.

    Take courage in knowing that the enemy knows he has lost and throws everything he has at you, but the battle belongs to God, give it to Him and receive your deliverance.

    An old war weary veteran who knows his enemy as well as his “Allies”.


  485. poohpity says:

    God, grant me the Serenity
    To accept the things I cannot change…
    Courage to change the things I can,
    And Wisdom to know the difference.

    Living one day at a time,
    Enjoying one moment at a time,
    Accepting hardship as the pathway to peace.
    Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is,
    Not as I would have it.
    Trusting that He will make all things right
    if I surrender to His will.
    That I may be reasonably happy in this life,
    And supremely happy with Him forever in the next.

  486. poohpity says:

    Do you know why a lifeguard carries some type of flotation devise with them all the time? Because when someone is drowning some slash around, kicking in a panic, if a lifeguard would go near them at that point they would take the lifeguard down with them and they would both drown but instead the lifeguard will throw out the flotation devise for them to grab onto so that both lives are saved.

    It seems to be the same with people who only see the worst in everything, people who try to help often get pulled down into that state of mind as well. One would think that the one who brings some hope into the picture would help but more often than not they get attacked and both end up with negative thoughts and emotions. So it would seem that one has to keep a firm hold on God, our flotation devise who offers hope, comfort and safety in the midst of turmoil knowing that the person who is drowning can make the choice to be pulled up or continue to slash, kick and scream and stay in the turmoil. The choice of getting pulled down or to walk away leaving them in the hands of the flotation device, God!

    It is also similar to watching the news with all the horrible things going on in our world or turn the channel and see that there is beauty among the ashes with people helping others as well as the beauty that surrounds us in nature everyday.

    Pessimism vs Optimism. We have a choice which will you choose?

  487. Beloved says:

    2Corinthians 1:20
    Berean Literal Bible
    For as many as are the promises of God, in Him is the “Yes.” Therefore also in Him, the “Amen” by us is for glory to God.

    I was reminded of Elizabeth Elliot and her remarks that we are “safe in the everlasting arms of Jesus”. She a dedicated follower of Jesus lost Jim to an early death by cannibals who later became Christians. Then after remarrying twice more if I remember correctly lost both husbands. I was so encouraged by her faith, trust hope and enthusiasm for God. And by her calm spirit which for me reinforces her commitment and complete trust in our God of yes!

    Have a day blessed in Jesus!

  488. Beloved says:

    2Corinthians 1:
    God of All Comfort

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
    4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.
    5 For as we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.
    6 If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; and if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we suffer. 7 Our hope for you is unshaken, for we know that as you share in our sufferings, you will also share in our comfort.

  489. foreverblessed says:

    The God of all comfort..

    That bible passage is so profound!
    But….when I are going through the suffering, am I then thinking: “oh this is great, God will comfort me, and I can pass that comfort on to others”?
    Do I think like that?

    Here in my town, there is a pastor and his wife, who have been a blessing to many, they had the gift of healing.
    But a few years ago, their son took his own life. It was after aAnd long period of depression. they were devastated. One of them had a real hard hard time to accept the grief.
    Right very close to them, in the same village, a family lost their oldest son, who put of the blue took his life, just 20 years old. The parents were devastated!!! To say the least, they still are.
    And there I had this thought:
    “Who would have thought of the bigger picture?:
    God using this couple to comfort others, who also have lost a child in this so dramatic way??

    That the comfort wherewith we were comforted by God, may comfort you.

  490. foreverblessed says:

    Did I share that in April, that the father was devastated over his child. He was moaning, crying, and so overwhelmed with grief. I thought I had asked a prayer. He is doing better now, he has resumed his life, he can see the sunshine again.
    But now his wife is going down, her life has come to a stand still. If you have a prayer, thanks.
    And above all, pray for the souls, that God may draw them to Himself.

  491. SFDBWV says:

    As I keep reminding you I usually set here while Matt has his breakfast and for a little while after and have coffee. Check out emails listen to or read a couple daily devotionals and lastly watch and listen to music on “YouTube”.

    Another video and song I enjoy is from Emmylou Harris titled “Bang The Drum Slowly (Memorial Day 2017)”.

    The sadness of the loved ones at the graves of their loved ones, the heartache in their faces and the reality of what it is to lose someone you loved comes across clearly.

    The video is set at Arlington Cemetery.

    My point is that no matter where you are with your faith, when someone you love dies it hurts.

    You can hear others tell you they are in a better place, or better off, or that someday you will be together with them again…But it still hurts.

    Interesting isn’t it that there is no more mention of Lazarus after his being resurrected from his grave by Christ…Perhaps he was taken up after walking out of his grave.

    Many years ago while talking with someone who had recently lost a pet dog, to death, the question of whether or not pets are in heaven came up. When I started to say what it says in the Bible, the person I was talking to rolled her eyes in an expression of, oh no here we go again, when to her surprise I said that in Job it is written that the “soul” of every living thing is in the hands of God. So why wouldn’t a pet be there with God?

    She felt better and I felt good that I may have brought someone hope and comfort rather than, well, rather than the opposite.

    I have told people for years, “death is never welcome, and the pain of losing someone you love never goes away.”

    Sometimes the only thing we can offer someone who is in such pain is a hug and shoulder to cry on.


  492. poohpity says:

    I would think that people who tell others not to grieve or mourn have a cold cold heart. Both people and animals grieve and mourn when someone or something dies because they are created in the image of God since it was Jesus who taught that blessed are those who mourn and grieve for they shall be comforted. Matt 5:4

    It seems there is a big difference in someone being resurrected and one who is brought back to life such as Lazarus. Jesus was the very first person that was resurrected meaning given a new body that will not suffer death or decay again.

    No matter what we go through we can rest assured that God is with us through it unlike people who often scatter God is faithful. That seems to be why Paul said, “rejoice in the Lord always again I say rejoice” (Phil 4:4) not to rejoice in the circumstance because that would be masochistic but rejoice in the Lord that is always near and in fact is in our hearts as we traverse the hard things in life. Now that is something we all can rejoice about. (Psalm 46:1)

  493. Beloved says:

    Prayers for bubbles

  494. poohpity says:

    Our Daily bread for today is just beautiful about the “Hotel Corona” in Jerusalem. Those who know they are broken share in common with those who also realize they are broken and their shared need for God, can sing and dance before Him even when they are experiencing troubles.

  495. Beloved says:

    I was thinking about Gods faithfulness and trustworthy nature.

    Jeremiah33:23 The word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 24 “Have you not noticed that these people are saying, ‘The Lord has rejected the two kingdoms he chose’? So they despise my people and no longer regard them as a nation. 25 This is what the Lord says: ‘If I have not made my covenant with day and night and established the laws of heaven and earth, 26 then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes and have compassion on them.’”

    This promise fulfilled through our brother Jesus who is ever watching and praying. Blessed be the name of the LORD. Amen

  496. Beloved says:

    I was thinking about the will of God and asking the difficult question;
    Is EVERYTHING that happens the will of God? As I look back I would say yes as everything was designed to make me like Jesus. (I was more unlike him than most but also have lots of company).

    I Thessalonians 5:18
    Amplified Bible
    in every situation [no matter what the circumstances] be thankful and continually give thanks to God; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.

  497. foreverblessed says:

    That is a good question.
    I think God weeps asuch as we do.
    He does not want all the disasters, but we humans chose to go out own way.

    I believe that God can make everything new through the Cross of Christ.
    The Cross was His solution.
    Nothing happens that cannot be turned around through the Cross.

  498. foreverblessed says:

    Weeping as much as we do

    The verse Luke 22:31
    Watch with Me

  499. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 116:1-9

    I love the Lord, for he heard my voice;
    he heard my cry for mercy.
    Because he turned his ear to me,
    I will call on him as long as I live.

    The cords of death entangled me,
    the anguish of the grave came over me;
    I was overcome by distress and sorrow.
    Then I called on the name of the Lord:
    “Lord, save me!”

    The Lord is gracious and righteous;
    our God is full of compassion.
    The Lord protects the unwary;
    when I was brought low, he saved me.

    Return to your rest, my soul,
    for the Lord has been good to you.

    For you, Lord, have delivered me from death,
    my eyes from tears,
    my feet from stumbling,
    that I may walk before the Lord
    in the land of the living.

    Today this will be read in the church, oecomenical prayer
    Together with Marc 9:14-29, the father who brought his son, and the disciples could not help him.
    Then Jesus comes, and talks with the father.
    That’s Who Jesus is.

  500. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it the will of God for people to know, trust, rely and depend on Him?

  501. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it His will for us to have a relationship with Him now and for eternity?

    John 3: “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

  502. Beloved says:

    All good answers about the will of God. Though it seems weird to the world to be thankful in situations such as Matt and Steve and even bubbles are dealing with every day we know just like Job found out that God is sovereign over all the affairs of mankind and that His reasons and purposes will be fulfilled. We are each so tiny in a huge universe; what is man that you should be mindful of him?, the psalmist says. His image bearers, his subordinates endowed with glory through Christ Jesus. I’m rambling, May the LORD bless us and keep us all in Christ Jesus. Amen

  503. Beloved says:

    Guessing Street is at Ligonier conference. Travel mercies street.

  504. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I do not think we are to be thankful for the horrible situations we find ourselves in that is masochistic nor do I think the Lord wants us to be since that is not what Jesus did when he was in a horrible situation but we can be thankful while in them that God is with us through them. Job did not curse God because of the situation he was in and he certainly was not thankful either for what was happening to him and his family in fact he was quite upset if that even can describe what he was going through. So it is not only weird to the world it is weird for any human being to be thankful for bad circumstances in fact it is really sick to do so.

  505. street says:

    beloved must read mystery novels. i am at home fixing all the things that break. lawnmower broke today. parts in on Wednesday. thankful what needed cut got cut. would like to be caught up before the end of the year.

    been thinking about putting the Christmas Tree up before Halloween? you wonder why? well, when The LORD comes back it’s going be very frightening. a decoration of hope.

  506. Beloved says:

    I’m just now listening to Truth For Life- My Times Are In Your Hands- part 2.
    Talking about Joseph who said, “My times are in your hands” what a weirdo, huh? Not at all. A man who followed God and trusted Him for His outcome.

    Street I’ve been watching conferences and thought they were current but googled and discovered that they begin in a week or so. Yes I love mysteries. Lawnmowers fortunately I only watch as others drive them- scares my cat though🙀.

    Hadn’t thought about the LORDS return as frightening before. Last time I was in a dangerous weather situation I at first felt confident but as time wore on I started to feel scared. It was loud and breaking things around me. Hmm

  507. Beloved says:

    Matthew 16 21From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

    22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You!”

    23But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    From the scriptures. Not the prosperity gospel.

  508. poohpity says:

    This scripture will show how upset Jesus was when facing horrible circumstances which is what I was referring to.

    Luke 22:44 NLT

  509. Beloved says:

    I just wanted to say I don’t mean to diminish anyone’s current or past experiences with grief pain loss etc. I’ve felt pain and felt comforted by others and comforted others myself. But until I learned about the sovereignty of God I never felt satisfied with any answer to the problem of pain. We must believe that He knows what he is doing at any given time. And I do believe that. Gods response to Job reveals how we should think about our circumstances. Also, Our suffering Savior shows us that God knows our pains and heartaches. He is enough for me. I place all my trust in Him.
    LORD, have mercy and please forgive my sins of this day. Amen

  510. poohpity says:

    I can say without a doubt we no longer have to ask for forgiveness because it was done over 2000 years ago for past, present and future sins but His mercies are new every morning as we start our day with a clean slate. So we do not have to ask for something that is already done but we can say, “Thank You” for the forgiveness and ask God to help us live in the gratitude as one that is forgiven and the proof will be in how we show that to others.

  511. SFDBWV says:

    I will admit I thought there may be a new comment from Mart this morning related to the anniversary of 911.

    Listening to Alan Jackson singing “Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning” prompted me to say something.

    There is a lot of “intellectual” discussion among theologians concerning the “Three major religions”, that being Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, because they all three worship the same God. That being the God of Abraham.

    Well let me just say that the events of 911 is the face of Islam. In the news today the intolerant cruelty of the “Taliban” is the face of Islam, and if any of you don’t know it in the world of Islam and Islam dominated countries slavery is still practiced. That too is the face of Islam.

    Islam is a religion of intolerance, un-forgiveness and death.

    It is only by fear that people adopt it as a religion, and only because of male dominance that men of its faith do as well.

    It will be the dominating religion on the earth after the “Church” is raptured up and God’s judgement poured out upon the earth and its people.

    Just one more reason the help spread the Gospel, that there is a better way.


  512. Beloved says:

    This has to do with the process of sanctification after salvation.

    I John1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
    10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

  513. poohpity says:

    Beloved, do those verses say to ask for forgiveness or that He will forgive “If” we confess our sins? Admitting to our sin is the only means that we know we need forgiveness. A lot of people do not admit to their own sin but are sure to find it in others and neglect admitting to their own sin and therefore often raise themselves above others in that way.

    Steve, I hate to burst your bubble but all the religions you mentioned lift up males above females and are domineering and authoritarian over woman. Those who have a close relationship with Christ however do not call one sex as superior over another. (Gal 3:28)

    People usually oppress others to gain power because they lack strength, character and intelligence, feeling the need to put others down to feel better about themselves.

  514. Beloved says:

    Conviction of sin brings repentance to those who are in Christ.

  515. Beloved says:

    Pooh you seem to have knowledge of what you speak about.

  516. Beloved says:

    1 Corinthians 3:19, NLT: “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, ‘He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.'”

  517. Beloved says:

    Wisdom that leads to joy!!! ODB

  518. poohpity says:

    Beloved, Yes, I have knowledge and experience of being the “recipient” of put downs, name calling, snide remarks, snarky comments, lied about and false accusations and then giving the forgiveness, grace and mercy I have received from the Lord even when the hurt and pain are overwhelming. Yes I am also very aware of my own sins so I do not have to look at the sin of others because the Lord has taught me to mind my own business and that I have no room to talk about anyone else.

  519. Beloved says:

    Interesting, thanks.

  520. Beloved says:

    A thought, maybe stick with what God says and thinks according to scripture than you can let Him take the heat? May God bless you with wisdom and knowledge of Himself.

  521. Beloved says:

    Peace – out of the discussion.

  522. poohpity says:

    Beloved, please enlighten me if I have said anything that is not according to the teaching of our Lord? Thank you for the blessing it seems to have worked God has given me wisdom and knowledge of Himself. I pray that same blessing over all of you as well.

  523. poohpity says:

    Hosea 6:3 NLT Oh, that we might know the Lord! Let us press on to know him. He will respond to us as surely as the arrival of dawn or the coming of rains in early spring.” …..

    verse 6 I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices.
    I want you to know me more than I want burnt offerings.

  524. foreverblessed says:

    Yesterday was the day, of 20 years, 9/11.
    What a shock it was at the time!
    Have I grown in trust, that no matter what, God is in control?!

    Bush spoke about the terror that was from without, 20 years ago, and that is coming from within nowadays.
    In the sermon today, on hour of power, Mrs Cain spoke, about Paul on Malta,
    Acts 27:27-44
    -The terror from outside: the storm on the sea, that shipwrecked the boat.
    – the terror from within: a viper that hang on the hand of Paul.
    The speaker was saying: the antagonist wants to hit us, if it cannot be done from outside, he tries from within: the venom of a snake, poisonous thoughts that bombard us: accusations, hurts, suspicion.
    But…..what does Paul do?
    He shakes of the viper!!!

    A good example to follow!

  525. foreverblessed says:

    Acts 28:3,5
    Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand…
    5 But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects.

  526. SFDBWV says:

    God bless you Foreverblessed, it is always a delight to see you here and read your thoughts.

    Thank you for posting this morning.

    It is a magnificent beautiful day here, 74 degrees f and very fall like in the feel and smell of the good earth.

    Matt’s having a rough day, but as you say we shake off the snake and carry on.

    Hoping you have a good day. Still missing Viv. I do hope her issues are computer related and nothing sinister. There are also many others I miss hearing from far too many to name, but they all have their reasons for their absence and I respect that. Just hoping the reasons are not bad.


  527. Beloved says:

    He saw them…

    Mark 6: 46And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray. 47And when evening came, the boat was out on the sea, and he was alone on the land. 48And he saw that they were making headway painfully, for the wind was against them. And about the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. He meant to pass by them, 49but when they saw him walking on the sea they thought it was a ghost, and cried out, 50for they all saw him and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”

  528. foreverblessed says:

    “Take heart, it is I,
    do not be afraid”

    What a wonderful reassurance, Jesus is the same, then, at Paul’s time, and now.

    Jesus is all Love, and Joy and Peace and Strength and Power and Healing, and Humility and Patience, and Calmness in a storm.
    He is the Source of Life, eternal Life, the Life that is in tbe Vine flows into the branches.
    All that is in the Nature of Jesus, flows into us
    Love, joy peace…

    “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly”
    John 10:10

    To keep looking to Jesus, that is the task that is set before me, not looking to the storm, but to Jesus, He walks on water.
    He is the same.

  529. Beloved says:

    Abundant life despite the problems of every day.

  530. Beloved says:

    Romans 8:31-39
    New Living Translation
    Nothing Can Separate Us from God’s Love
    31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? 32 Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else? 33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34 Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

    35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.” 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

    38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  531. Beloved says:

    Thinking about mystery and wondering where is Mart? How is he doing? Steve do you email with him still?

  532. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce, occasionally, but I have respected his privacy and given him time to mourn, sort out life without his wife and deal with his personal issues.

    I am certain he is ok.


  533. Beloved says:

    I’m sure you’re right Steve, thanks.

  534. poohpity says:

    I have read what Mart has been writing on ODB and listening to him on DTW. So it would seem he is still active in his ministry.

  535. Beloved says:

    I love how whenever I search for this blog it says: May the LORD bless you!

  536. Beloved says:

    He Giveth More Grace

    He giveth more grace when the burdens grow greater,
    He sendeth more strength when the labors increase;
    To added afflictions He addeth His mercy,
    To multiplied trials, His multiplied peace.

    When we have exhausted our store of endurance,
    When our strength has failed ere the day is half done,
    When we reach the end of our hoarded resources
    Our Father’s full giving is only begun.

    Fear not that thy need shall exceed His provision,
    Our God ever yearns His resources to share;
    Lean hard on the arm everlasting, availing;
    The Father both thee and thy load will upbear.

    His love has no limits, His grace has no measure,
    His power no boundary known unto men;
    For out of His infinite riches in Jesus
    He giveth, and giveth, and giveth again.

  537. SFDBWV says:

    I am always thankful for YouTube music as they introduce me to musical groups I had never heard of before.

    Because I like to share things I like with my friends, I would like to introduce you to a group I only recently discovered.

    “Southern Raised”

    They cover a lot of songs and in a style I very much enjoy. If any of you look in I hope you enjoy them as well.

    A cool 54 degree f morning and a very busy day ahead.

    Blessings to you all.


  538. SFDBWV says:

    Might I recommend, “Southern Raised sings original song letting go”.


  539. Beloved says:

    There is a home that wanderers seek [Tender mercy]

    Mathew 26: 26-28
    There is a home that wanderers seek,
    There is a strength that lifts the weak.
    There is hope for those that know despair,
    There is a cup that satisfies.
    There is a Friend who dries my eyes,
    There is peace for those with heavy hearts.

    Tender mercy,
    The tender mercy of our God.
    From lips of sinners
    He has heard the faintest cry.
    Tender mercy,
    The tender mercy of our God;
    He has relented and His grace is my delight.

    I have resolved to know Him more,
    He whom the hosts of heaven adore,
    Mighty King, whose reign will never end.
    Yet as I gaze at the Holy One
    He beckons me to closer come,
    Bares the scars that show to me my worth.

  540. street says:

    thinking of boas’s greeting to the laborers in the field and their reply. guest you can’t have one without the other.

  541. Beloved says:

    Now behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem and said to the reapers, “May the LORD be with you.” And they said to him, “May the LORD bless you.”

  542. Beloved says:

    Street ?

  543. Beloved says:

    My times are in Your hands, really? Time will tell.

  544. Beloved says:

    My Father knows just what I need
    Author: Civilla D. Martin

    1 My Father knows just what I need,
    He watches o’er my way;
    How sweet to lean upon His love
    Each moment of the day.

    He knows, He cares, He loves me so,
    He watches o’er the way I go;
    And by His hand will lead me on
    To that fair land of endless song.

    2 His eye will guide me in the path
    That leads to light and home;
    His grace will hold me, so that I
    From Him will never roam. [Refrain]

    3 His grace is mine in weakest hour,
    When enemies appall;
    My hand in His, His hand in mine,
    I know I cannot fall. [Refrain]

  545. foreverblessed says:

    “How sweet to lean upon His love”

    “And so we know and rely on the love God has for us…”
    1 John 4:16
    Verse of the day on Biblegateway.

    …God is love, whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him”

    This second part is very well known, but for some reason I did overlook the first part:
    That we can rely on the love of God.

    We had a participant here on this blog, who wanted to have specified what love was, because there is lots of “love” going around.
    Here is some specification:

    “This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins”
    1 John 4:10

    Jesus saved me, out of the despair I lived in. Je is out Savior, the Only one who can redeem us out of our darkness. Each one in his own way has gone astray
    Isaiah 53:6
    In April, did I share about a friend in my choir, who had lost a grandson, out of the blue he took his own life. The father of the son was in such grief, but he was doing better the nother though fell into despair, in remorse, because she felt that her son could not have expressed himself in their home.
    The grandmother came to my house this week:
    The mother had made an attempt to take her life. She was found by her husband, and taken to hospital. She survived. But us now in the mental department of the hospital.

    Here comes in how great a Savior we have: Jesus!!!
    He is the only One who van rescue this woman out of her great despair.
    There is no one else.
    The grandmother, who was is a dear lady, a believer, in her own catholic way, but nonetheless, she believes.
    She wanted to hear the Good News about Jesus. She drank in everything I said about Him
    He is the Lamb of God, that takes away the son of the world

    Her daughter-in-law cannot bear the guilt of her ways, Jesus did that.
    “Yes, yes, I believe that, but my son and daughter-in-law don’t believe!.

    I said: I will pray for you, that God will open her heart for Jesus. That God may give you words for her.

    Please, if any if you have a prayer, thank you very much.

    Such a great drama, but the grandmother was eager for the message of Jesus, whatever I said, she drank it in. “Yes yes, I believe that, but my family does not want me to talk about it.”

    So, prayer, intercessory prayer.
    No one can come toe unless the Father draws him John 6:44
    Let’s pray that the Father will draw them.

    I believe that that is a prayer according to Gods will!
    The more faith I have,
    the more I rely on the love of God,
    the more effective are my prayers, our prayers

  546. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, it sounds as if the grandmother in your story already believes that the only hope for her family is by and through Jesus of Nazareth.

    My limited experience with the Catholic faith is that suicide is the unforgiveable sin. The person not even allowed to be buried in their cemetery.

    How sad.

    I believe otherwise that people who kill themselves are sick and not mentally responsible for their actions.

    After all, Jesus willingly went to His death as well, not because He was mentally ill, but so that all those who are, are forgiven for their last act of hopelessness.

    Indeed this morning when I go to my “prayer closet” I will include the family you have offered for prayer.


  547. Beloved says:

    Yes forever I will pray for this family. To understand that Jesus died for our sin is our greatest blessing. To bear with another’s sin is loves command.

  548. Beloved says:

    What has washed away my sin?
    Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
    Oh precious! Is the flow that made me white as snow
    No other fount I know
    Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

  549. Beloved says:

    Bubbles, how are you doing?

  550. foreverblessed says:

    Steve and Joy, thank you very very much for your prayers.
    Oh how precious, our Lord and Savior, Jesus.
    There is no one else.

    Surely His salvation is near those who fear Him,
    that His glory may dwell in our land.
    Love and faithfulness meet together
    Psalm 85:10

    The Word became flesh and lived a while among us. We have seen His glory,
    the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father,
    full of grace and truth.
    John 1:14

    The words used in Psalm 85:10
    Love the Hebrew word is: loving devotion
    Faithfulness, Hebrew word used are: truth, trustworthiness.

    These words become in the NT Grace and Truth:

  551. foreverblessed says:

    I want to add that I really appreciate it that you shared in the burden of taking this family in prayer, and lift them up to the Throne of God.
    Stories line this family drama make very very plain, that we as humans are powerless!
    It makes the essence of the Cross so clear for me:
    There is nowhere else we can go to, but to Jesus.
    There is no one else who can lift the burden of our sin, of our bring lost, then He, Jesus,
    The Only begotten Son of God, full of Grace and Truth.

    (Alexander MacLaren commentary has a wonderful sermon on Psalm 85:10-11.
    Grace and truth, personified in Jesus, down in human hearts, and there a spring of hope is formed in a desolate heart, hearts like desert. And God sees every little bit of faith and hope that arises, He has His eyes on them,.

    “The Lord will indeed give what is good (the blessing)
    and our land will yield it’s harvest (her offspring= sons and daughters)
    Psalm 85:12

    Heaven coming to earth, and earth responding
    In barren human hearts that come alive.

  552. Beloved says:

    I Corinthians 5;17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

    Christ only can make a barren heart alive! For those who have ears to hear.

  553. Beloved says:

    As the Deer
    As The Deer Panteth For The Water
    So My Soul Longeth After You
    You Alone Are My Heart’s Desire
    And I Long To Worship You

    You’re My Friend And You Are My Brother
    Even Though You Are A King
    I Love You More Than Any Other
    So Much More Than Anything

    You Alone Are My Strength, My Shield
    To You Alone May My Spirit Yield
    You Alone Are My Heart’s Desire
    And I Long To Worship You

    I Love You More Than Gold Or Silver,
    Only You Can Satisfy.
    You Alone Are The Real Joy Giver
    And The Apple Of My Eye.

    As The Deer Panteth For The Water
    So My Soul Longeth After You
    You Alone Are My Heart’s Desire
    And I Long To Worship You

    You Alone Are My Strength, My Shield
    To You Alone May My Spirit Yield
    You Alone Are My Heart’s Desire
    And I Long To Worship You

    Based on psalm 42

  554. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Lord, that that song may be true for my heart!
    You alone are my heart’s desire.
    In the sermon of Alexander MacLaren, on Psalm 85:10-14, it is His who looks down from heaven, and He sees any fruit, as little as it may be, with great pleasure He looks at it, any fruit of the Spirit, springing up in a heart. He treasures it.
    The blessing comes from heaven, and the earth gives it fruit.

  555. poohpity says:

    On the discoertheword dot org website if you scroll down the page is the resource for this week there is a 6 part video study called “Resilient: A Video Bible Study” Using the Sermon on the Mount as a starting point, author Sheridan Voysey helps you recalibrate your heart to that of Jesus—who lived out everything He preached. This series encourages you to live boldly in the midst of life’s challenges, with Jesus’ example as the driving force.

    Living a Jesus-shaped life. It is really a very good teaching series that will bless you greatly. Well at least for those who want to live a Jesus-shaped life. Each video is only around 10 minutes long.

    So grateful for ODB and the bible teaching they do all around the world well for those whose’s heart desire it is to grow up in God, for the rest do they really care anyway to learn more about God probably not.

  556. foreverblessed says:

    Isaid: Lord, may that song be true for my heart, the song that says that Jesus be all that my heart desires.

    This is what Pooh writes:
    ” for those whose’s heart desire it is to grow up in God, for the rest do they really care anyway to learn more about God probably not.”

    Is that what Pooh writes God’s truth?
    Is that encouraging what she writes?
    Or is it sowing doubts in hearts, that say that they want Jesus to be their heart’s desire. Which happened to have been just my heart.

    She could have written instead:
    Yes,I too want that my heart’s desire is only Jesus, may God give me the power to do so. Praise God that He has done it so far, and will so in the future.

  557. Beloved says:

    Psalm 10:4
    In the pride of his face the wicked does not seek him; all his thoughts are, “There is no God.”

    This is true, sadly. Yet we love and seek God because He first loved us! Isn’t that amazing to know God! Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever! ❤️🙏. And as Jesus said, “those who have eyes to see”, and we know not all do.

  558. Beloved says:

    I was just thinking about The practice of the presence of God, a book written by an obscure brother Lawrence who washed pots and pans for his brothers. Obscure and mundane; a life lived in total poverty with God. Beggars on our knees and faces.

  559. Beloved says:

    Before our Holy God.

  560. poohpity says:

    forever that is the very reason I do not trust most of what you say because just as you took what I said out of the whole of what I said to mean your twisted perception and nothing in regards to the point I was actually making nor the whole of what I said. In other words you falsely accused me as usual. I do not think as you think, now go back and read the while sentence I wrote not just the part you can twist to suit your opinion.

  561. poohpity says:

    forever, I know you would like everything to be about you but I had not even read what you wrote when I shared that wonderful series from Discover the Word. What I said was just a generalized statement that those who do not want to grow in God would probably not be interested in that series. I was not directed or about you at all. My focus is usually not on you but on God and the things I learn from Him.

  562. poohpity says:

    To me forever if you actually desire the Lord then why do you quote what others have to say rather than going directly to God’s word rather than commentaries that you also misquote often.

  563. Beloved says:

    Forever I have never known you to misquote any commentaries but always copied and pasted as they are written. Some may not agree with what a commentary says which is quite common actually. The rule of correct exegesis is to generally accept the majority of commentators’ views on scripture with an eye toward God as sovereign and all knowing yet having gifted scholars and biblical teachers with knowing Him because of their intense study of the Word. Much wisdom of God can be culled from writers such as Spurgeon Chambers and other Puritan reformers. I personally think our post modern culture has created its own god using biblical authority to their own peril. Not to mention syncretism and pluralism. As Paul says we see as through a dark glass yet we can know God!

  564. Beloved says:

    In case anybody is interested:
    “Exegesis is legitimate interpretation which “reads out of’ the text what the original author or authors meant to convey. Eisegesis, on the other hand, reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks he finds there. It expresses the reader’s own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text.“

  565. foreverblessed says:

    “To me forever if you actually desire the Lord then why do you quote what others have to say rather than going directly to God’s word ”
    I find that this question is bullying me.
    Especially the “rather then”
    What an assumption. I thought Pooh that you did not want to assume.
    And Beloved is trying to encourage me.

  566. Beloved says:

    Forever I think that’s just Pooh’s opinion. Remember how she used to get on Jeff about not reading the Bible? She is a strong personality and that’s just how she is. Learn to take it with a grain of salt. One grain- lol

  567. Beloved says:

    Just noticed Mart has taken his name off the “posted by” . Perhaps he’s changing the way the blog goes or?

  568. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, you are right Beloved.
    If Pooh does not trust me, because as she says, I twist her words into things she did not mean, then maybe it is better I don’t read her comments anymore. For the sake of peace.
    Just peace.
    O dear Lord Jesus, forgive me, for having misquoted, misread and twisted, sorry dear Lord. I denounce these things, in Jesus’ name.

  569. foreverblessed says:

    On my screen it still says:
    Posted by Mart de Haan

  570. Beloved says:

    Forever in case you’re wondering:

    Grain of salt
    To take something with a “grain of salt” or “pinch of salt” is an English idiom that suggests to view something, specifically claims that may be misleading or unverified, with skepticism or to not interpret something literally.[1]

    Forever I don’t think you have anything to ask forgiveness for. Just a misunderstanding. It’s hard when you don’t see people face to face. But when they say the same thing over and over you get an idea about them.

    May the LORD bless us and keep us and be gracious unto us. All of us. Amen

  571. Beloved says:

    Now it says posted by Mart Dehaan. He must be working with the blog right now.

  572. Beloved says:

    Take everything I write as I take everything I read with a grain of salt, except scripture
    Psalm 46:1
    God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in times of trouble.

  573. street says:

    the Lord bless you…
    thinking of starting point…the mind & heart of God.
    new birth starts there too.
    for the Believer it begins with the Gospel.
    the Gospel begins at the cross.
    remission of sin/separation begins at the cross.

    thinking of Paul, I know nothing but Christ and Christ crucified.
    Believer are given a helper The Holy Spirit/ Spirit of Truth.
    Jesus said I Am the Truth. seems like the Spirit and Jesus are One Like the Father and the Son.

    Spirit and the Truth are the Worshipers God is looking for. John, woman at the well.

  574. street says:

    been thinking about once and for all. Hebrews. the grace and mercy received daily in a sinful body. Jesus going away to prepare a place for those who trust Him. thinking about the vine and abiding in it. a body prepared for Jesus. abiding in that body and His Word abiding in me. written on their hearts and minds.


    are we there yet?

    forever like steve I enjoy your posts ……lately I like the shake it off because some things are un shakable. may the Rock uphold you, sustain, and bless you.

  575. Beloved says:

    Very encouraging message from a doctor/street preacher in Wales recovering from Cov.

    Deep Waters – An Update from Dr. David Mackereth 9/17/2021 on YouTube

  576. Beloved says:

    Jesus Lover Of My Soul
    Song by Paul Oakley

    Jesus, lover of my soul
    All consuming fire is in your gaze
    Jesus, I want you to know
    I will follow You all my days
    For no one else in history is like you
    And history itself belongs to You
    Alpha and Omega, You have loved me
    And I will share eternity with you

    It’s all about You, Jesus
    And all this is for You
    For You glory and your fame
    It’s not about me
    As if You should do things my way
    You alone are God and I surrender
    To your ways

  577. foreverblessed says:

    It’s all about You, Jesus.

    Yes, that’s true!
    Yesterday I had started saying that all my desire is for Jesus, and help me to be so. And then I forgot to “shake it off”.
    I had to ask for forgiveness to Jesus, and Je have that to me. Just let go, He forgave.
    Every day again.
    His precious blood cleanses us.
    But now His Body has a part too; I am trying to discern that part: I have been put in Jesus, when I was baptized, I was on the Cross with Him, I died with Him, and my d man does not live anymore. To have faith in that, and to knowy old man has died, but yesterday it was still alive, and I did not subdue it, in the Hy Spirit.
    Yes, Street, the Spirit of Truth and Jesus is Truth,
    And they are with us.
    We are not helpless.
    Dear Lord Jesus, it is all about You, today again.
    Give us Your strength today, that we may live by that same power that resurrected Jesus.
    Ephesians 1:19-20

  578. poohpity says:

    Have we been put in Jesus when we are baptized? OR Does the Holy spirit come to live in us when we came to believe in who Jesus is and what He did for us? Isn’t baptism an outward sign of our profession of faith? Wasn’t Jesus on the Cross for us and because of our belief we have made a choice to die to our old life to that of living a new life for Him?

    Gal 2: We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

    17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

  579. poohpity says:

    Beloved, regarding your comment Sept 17th 2021 @2:05pm that is hogwash. I did not “get on Jeff” for not reading the bible however I have and will always point people to read the bible, God’s word. Which has been a cause that the Lord put in my heart for over 30 years now so much so that I had those magnetic sings made for my car that state; “God wants you to know Him read the bible, honk if you need one”. In my car I had cases of bibles to give away. I honestly believe the reason that the bible has been on top of the bestsellers list for years is because God has made sure that we have that book so that we can know Him and compare what people teach to what it actually says because we are warned in the bible that there will be many false teachers especially in the end times. If that is something bad, speak to God about that and let Him know that reading the bible is an insult but listening to commentaries rather than His word is the best way to go. If one only wants to know God through someone else not personally one on one that is up to them but they will miss out on so much intimacy that way between God and the one reading what He has given us to know Him.

    So it is not to “get on” anyone but to love them enough to point them to know God through His living word, the bible. Then what I say is just a grain of salt because what God says is way more important and advantageous to our growth as a believer to know His will and His ways so therefore is the reason I point people to read the bible and always will.

  580. SFDBWV says:

    As is my habit I like to share things with my friends; here are two quotes I came upon of late I thought some of you may find stimulating.

    #1 “We often miss opportunity because it’s dressed in overalls and looks like work,”
    Thomas Edison
    #2 “The holiest of holidays are those kept by ourselves in silence and apart: the secret anniversaries of the heart.”
    H.W. Longfellow

    In my experience it is not those who constantly quote Scripture to people who represent or demonstrate Jesus to others, but rather those whose life is so much like Him that others want to know more about what it is that is different in such a person.

    Sadly I have known far too many people who misrepresent Jesus and turn people away from Christianity. Thinking that they have been “given” a ministry. When the fact is people are called for whatever task it is God wants from us and so then empowered and anointed to do so.

    The difference is that one fails, the other succeeds.


  581. Hugger4U says:

    Virtue-signaling….always spouting off how moral your self is compared to others and shaming them into apologizing or doing something that they previously said they wouldn’t do. An example of this is the current push for vaccinations or mask wearing mandates. People who want to equate following mandates with being moral and making a ‘moral’ decision to abide those mandates then shaming those that choose not to follow the way of fear. Make sure your convictions are rooted in Truth so you will not waver. Jesus is our Rock and sure foundation…don’t be just a believer then go your own way but truly follow Him being completely devoted so He becomes your all in all. It is a process and we need to display grace and love when together ‘discussing’ topics brought up by Mart.

    In His LOVE,

  582. Beloved says:

    Yes I apologize for using the phrase “get on”, should have been “encouraged “. My bad.

  583. Beloved says:

    We are constantly having to restrain the flesh.

  584. poohpity says:

    I was just thinking if a Christian has the ability to turn a Christian away from following Christ by anything they do or say were they actually ever following Christ in the first place?

    Even though I know that Viv did not read the bible she sure did get a lot of it in the songs she listened to and seemed to at least know God’s grace, mercy and forgiveness and show that to others.

  585. Beloved says:

    “People are pixels” Nathan Bingham

    Yesterday I asked myself why I was continuing on the blog when it caused me such angst. It’s because I like to read what I have posted, usually. It has become my identity of sorts. Yet my identity is in Christ, and people are created in the image of God also so should be treated with grace and dignity and respect. In this fantasy world of blogdom or any social media for that matter I’ve found places to let it all hang out and the listener be damned if they disagree with me and my viewpoint. Identity indeed. Selfism.

    Deny self, love others as I have been loved and treated by God. People are everywhere online. People, real people. Thanks Hugger for sharing Gods will. ✝️

  586. Beloved says:

    Oops it’s the other way I think. – “Pixels are people” either way works I guess.

  587. foreverblessed says:

    Thankful I am for the participation of Beloved on this blog. She says she will not read anymore, so she will not read this. But I want to share it anyway: Thanks Beloved!! Also for sharing your struggles, but always holding on to Jesus!
    I am sad though, I will miss her. I pray God will give praying brothers and sisters around her.

    Dear Lord, I pray, be with us, and those who go. We are your precious children.

    Even when we are completely alone, we are not alone, because God is with us. Our private true life, comes from the Spirit of God living within us. He is our shield.

    Psalm 91:1
    He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
    For Beloved, and all of us.

  588. street says:

    41 May your unfailing love come to me, Lord,
    your salvation, according to your promise;
    42 then I can answer anyone who taunts me,
    for I trust in your word.
    43 Never take your word of truth from my mouth,
    for I have put my hope in your laws.
    44 I will always obey your law,
    for ever and ever.
    45 I will walk about in freedom,
    for I have sought out your precepts.
    46 I will speak of your statutes before kings
    and will not be put to shame,
    47 for I delight in your commands
    because I love them.
    48 I reach out for your commands, which I love,
    that I may meditate on your decrees.
    PSALM 119

  589. street says:

    shake it off beloved. keep what is un-moveable. His love never changes. His Grace and Mercy are for today and forever, beloved.

  590. foreverblessed says:

    Powerful verses from Psalm 119:41-48
    Thank you Street!
    I really enjoy your input too!
    And Steve’s and all of you!

  591. foreverblessed says:

    About shaking of:
    David did some real shaking of,
    I heard that in the sermon today, by Bobby Schuller

    1 Sam 6:21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, …
    —I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”

  592. poohpity says:

    forever, could it be 2 Samuel 6:21-22 that Bobby Schuller was speaking of not 1 Samuel?

  593. poohpity says:

    It seems like David as well as many others we read about in the bible put off the acceptance and praise of other people to honor God above all else( 1 Samuel 13:14; Acts 13:22). To worship and seek God with their whole heart, mind and soul no matter what other people thought about them. To be God pleasers rather than people pleasers. (Gal 1:10)

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